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Arenas admits to D.C. police firearms probe

Gilbert Arenas confirmed on Tuesday night that the D.C. police department is investigating the circumstances under which he brought weapons to Verizon Center earlier this month. Metropolitan Police Department spokeswoman Gwendolyn Crump released a one-sentence statement mentioning that it is assisting the United States Attorney's Office with an investigation without mentioning any names.

After the Wizards' 110-98 loss to the Oklahoma City, Arenas confirmed that he is being probed. Arenas admitted last week that he brought guns to the arena, claiming that he did it to keep them from his three young children. The Wizards said that Arenas had unloaded guns and no ammunition in a lock box in his locker.

"They started investigating two weeks ago. You guys just found out about it," Arenas said. "They just wanted to know where I got them from and make sure they're not dirty guns."

Arenas was asked if he brandished the weapons, and he answered, despite attempts by the Wizards public relations staff to keep him quiet. "Yes, I showed them to someone, I showed them to team security when I handed them to them and said give them to the police," he said. "Yes, I took them out of this locker room. I had to take them out to get them out of here to give to security. You see they didn't take the whole locker out of here."

The statement from the police stated: "Members of the Metropolitan Police Department are currently assisting the United States Attorney's Office for the District of Columbia with an investigation into an allegation that weapons were located inside a locker room at the Verizon Center."

By Michael Lee  |  December 30, 2009; 11:48 AM ET
 
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I mean maybe this isn't a big deal, but why would you bring them inside the locker room? This is a big part of whay concerns me with Gil. Just plain stupid.

Dude you make alot of money.

A. Buy a safe
B. Call the police from your home and tell them you are no longer interested in having firearms in your home and would like to turn them in
C. Sell them back to the store you bought them form

And last but not least:

D. JUST LEAVE DC NOW. WE ARE TIRED OF YOUR ANTICS. PULL A RICKY WILLIAMS OR SOMETHING FOR GOD'S SAKE

Posted by: kevenjones | December 30, 2009 11:56 AM | Report abuse

Looks like Shaq was smart to take a "sick" day.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | December 30, 2009 11:58 AM | Report abuse

Actually, it was Stern who told Shaq to not show up at the stadium.

The NBA front office is trying their darndest to keep this gossip from blowing up. Good luck.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | December 30, 2009 12:05 PM | Report abuse

Instead of packing heat, Gilby will now be packing dirty diapers to throw at potential burglars.

If Gilby gets traded, who will buy that house with the silly part time pool with grotto and part time ice rink?

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | December 30, 2009 12:06 PM | Report abuse

Enough is enough. It is unexplainable but this team can't play defense against anybody and finds ways to miss free throws and final shots when the game is on the line. As painful as it may be, Arenas needs to be traded in a "Herschel Walker" type of deal that will perhaps pick up a defensive minded big man, expiring contracts and draft picks while clearing cap space for the future. In 1989, at the height of his NFL career, the Dallas Cowboys traded Walker to the Minnesota Vikings for a total of five players (LB Jesse Solomon, DB Issiac Holt, RB Darrin Nelson, LB David Howard, DE Alex Stewart) and six draft picks (which led to Emmitt Smith, Russell Maryland, Kevin Smith, and Darren Woodson). This was judged to be one of the turning points in the rise of the Cowboys to the top echelon of the NFL. Ideally, trade Arenas to the Western Conference (Dallas?)

Posted by: yoseltzer | December 30, 2009 12:10 PM | Report abuse

not stadium....arena...verizon center..

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | December 30, 2009 12:10 PM | Report abuse

enough with the trade Arenas talk, it's not going to happen.

and even if it did, all we'd get is something similar to the TMac proposition. Namely, an expiring contract and nothing else.

Posted by: divi3 | December 30, 2009 12:18 PM | Report abuse

@divi3,

We have nothing now, but a burden of a contract. We will never be a contender with Gilbert on this roster. And not only Gilbert but his contract more than anyone else's is a huge problem

Posted by: kevenjones | December 30, 2009 12:24 PM | Report abuse

Tie game going into the 4th last night wasnt it?

OKC scored FIVE buckets within 5ft according to espn's shot chart in the 4th quarter. Four of those buckets were point blank and 1 was a 5ft J

That's yer ballgame isnt it? And while I can see laying the blame for that squarely on Haywood/Jamison/AB...dont see where you put that on Gil even with his lousy TO towards the end.

Posted by: divi3 | December 30, 2009 12:32 PM | Report abuse

and kevjones...haywood stinks. While he is allowing guards to make layups in the 4th quarter, he took 1 shot. At least AJ is scoring while this swiss cheese D is going on.

Posted by: divi3 | December 30, 2009 12:35 PM | Report abuse

Damn, losing sures brings out harshness. Whew! Leave Gil alone. This too shall pass.

Posted by: ivyleague | December 30, 2009 12:47 PM | Report abuse

just askin' - if this allegation prove true, could this be some violation of his contract, which would allow the boulez to void the balance?

Posted by: 1of9000 | December 30, 2009 12:55 PM | Report abuse

Here is a interesting comment given when asked about the wizards wonder if it has any merit LOL

"Talent wins games, but teamwork and intelligence wins championships."
- Michael Jordan

Posted by: rnorris6 | December 30, 2009 1:32 PM | Report abuse

I see that "Pourous Defense" is winning this vote, but I voted "No Mental Toughness" because I think that is what causes the bad defense. These guys need to have the mental toughness to want to play defense.

Posted by: Dougmacintyre | December 30, 2009 10:07 AM | Report abuse

Bingo!!! This team has proven they can play when they want to. They just never want to! They give up much to easily, and THAT, my friends, is a mental toughness issue.

Posted by: bpybay | December 30, 2009 1:33 PM | Report abuse

One play stands out in my mind from last night.

End of the 1st half. Durant gets the ball rubs off Maguire on a pick and from way above the foul line rolls down the lane and slams while AJ & Earl watch flatfooted 2 feet away---game over.

Something else Flip said -- the Thunder shot 46 (forty six) uncontested shots.

One more thing the Wizzies were so stationary on Offence in the first half of the last 2 games almost no fouls were called on the opposing teams.

How can you foul when the Wizzies are standing still?

Basketball 101 needs to be revisited.

Posted by: VBFan | December 30, 2009 1:34 PM | Report abuse

Another example of the inmates running the asylum in DC pro sports.

Why would a professional team let one of their players bring firearms into the arena?

Redskins & Wizards = Never-ending Gag Reel

Posted by: RedDMV | December 30, 2009 1:37 PM | Report abuse

Michael,

Maybe I missed something here, but do you have any inside scoop on the reports that the Wiz asked about moving Gilbert for T-Mac???

Posted by: p1funk | December 30, 2009 1:40 PM | Report abuse

"just askin' - if this allegation prove true, could this be some violation of his contract, which would allow the boulez to void the balance?"

Grasp at straws much, do you?

Posted by: kalo_rama | December 30, 2009 1:40 PM | Report abuse

As Flip noted, the Wizards have been one of the worst defensive teams in the NBA the last 5 years. Did anyone really expect a radical change this season? If so, why?

People ripped Jordan for not forcing the team to play defense, but hopefully it's now dawning on everyone what he knew all along: Defense is not part of these players' mindset, and trying to force them in that direction not only yields lousy results on defense, but it undermines their effort and focus on offense. Jordan got the most he could out of them by playing to their strengths. Credit Flip for trying to fix what was clearly broken, but it seems clear now that he realizes it's beyond repair.

Posted by: kalo_rama | December 30, 2009 1:48 PM | Report abuse

And also, next year, we'd pretty much only have Arenas' contract on our books...and we can go after a chris bosh or dwayne wade.

Pretty good in my opinion.

Posted by: Havemercyplz

Why would any superstar, or even allstar, go to the Wizards when they're a free agent?

They'll have plenty of options to get paid next year. The WIZ are not on anyone's list of possible destinations.


Posted by: saltine182 | December 30, 2009 1:48 PM | Report abuse

Tie game going into the 4th last night wasnt it?

OKC scored FIVE buckets within 5ft according to espn's shot chart in the 4th quarter. Four of those buckets were point blank and 1 was a 5ft J

That's yer ballgame isnt it? And while I can see laying the blame for that squarely on Haywood/Jamison/AB...dont see where you put that on Gil even with his lousy TO towards the end.

Posted by: divi3 | December 30, 2009 12:32 PM | Report abuse


Because 3 of those 5 shots were taken by guards, and Gil's perimeter D is so lousy and lazy that opposing guards can walk by him and get to the hoop.

Maynor, Westbrook and Harden did alot of the 4th quarter damage.

I don't think Haywood, AJ and AB are the ones who are supposed to be guarding those guys.

Posted by: p1funk | December 30, 2009 1:51 PM | Report abuse

"They'll have plenty of options to get paid next year. The WIZ are not on anyone's list of possible destinations."

Sad but true (and not a new development).

Posted by: kalo_rama | December 30, 2009 2:18 PM | Report abuse

"I don't think Haywood, AJ and AB are the ones who are supposed to be guarding those guys."

I'm pretty sure that guarding the rim on dribble penetration is part of most C's job description.

Posted by: kalo_rama | December 30, 2009 2:19 PM | Report abuse

If this team is gonna change into a team that plays "D" it gotta start with the "big 3".
They need to buy into it and emphasize "D". If they do then the others will follow.
Dom & Javale & Nick won't turn this bunch around it's gotta come from the vets.

Posted by: VBFan | December 30, 2009 2:22 PM | Report abuse

westbrook finished with 11 pts, maynor was givin earl and gil tha blues though, overall you don't expect shutdown d from Gil, but holding their lead guard to 11 while dropping 26 on him isn't bad. Talk about the fact that the thunder got 39 pts from 4 guards and 71 pts from 5 frontline players guys that CB,AJ,and BTH had primary defensive assignments against.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | December 30, 2009 2:25 PM | Report abuse

"I'm pretty sure that guarding the rim on dribble penetration is part of most C's job description."

It is 100%.

Durant is a very special player, but as Divi said it seemed like everyone was skying to the rim last night.

They just fundamentally don't know how to play defense. None.

One thing of note, Haywood said "when people stop getting upset about not getting a foul call and get more upset about the defensive side" or something to that effect.

One thing you see from today's athletes is those things just don't change. If that's what they think then it's REALLY time to move some guys.

Blow it up EG.

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | December 30, 2009 2:42 PM | Report abuse

"Because 3 of those 5 shots were taken by guards, and Gil's perimeter D is so lousy and lazy that opposing guards can walk by him and get to the hoop."

It's not Gil's assignment to contest layups. And there isnt a single pg in the nba who can shutdown dribble penetration from the perimeter by other quick guards.

Brenda gave up the paint yet again last night, and this time to layups by players 6inches shorter than him.

Again, the horrid defense is by no means on him alone, BUT HE CANT SCORE OR FACILITATE SCORING EITHER

dude is a lose-lose situation on too many nights

Posted by: divi3 | December 30, 2009 2:48 PM | Report abuse

Durant is a very special player, but as Divi said it seemed like everyone was skying to the rim last night.

A credit to the coaching staff and gm of OKC. he has assembled a roster of relatively young hungry atheletic ballers. all of those guys have a high motor and they all seem like they have the "want to" to win at all costs. evenif that means sacrificing scoring opps. Harden,Green,and Westbrook to a degree were all The Man at their respective colleges. Now they play to complement KD. The wiz were really good when they had young atheletic players around Gil to complement him now he plays with a group of guys that feel like they need to compete against him ( for publicity,money,shots).

One thing of note, Haywood said "when people stop getting upset about not getting a foul call and get more upset about the defensive side" or something to that effect.

Straight shot at AJ and Gil,but at least Gil tries to get back on D. AJ flops around like a fish outta water and stares down refs while his man ususally beats him downcourt.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | December 30, 2009 2:49 PM | Report abuse

like kal has been saying, it's been obvious forever this team wasnt constructed to be a defensive oriented group. Back in our 5 minute heyday 3yrs ago, we were "Suns East" afterall

short of overturning the whole roster, what is the solution? probably none, but you'd think Dom and JM could get serious pt when Haywood dons his skirt and Jamison is playing matador

Posted by: divi3 | December 30, 2009 2:54 PM | Report abuse

westbrook finished with 11 pts, maynor was givin earl and gil tha blues though, overall you don't expect shutdown d from Gil, but holding their lead guard to 11 while dropping 26 on him isn't bad. Talk about the fact that the thunder got 39 pts from 4 guards and 71 pts from 5 frontline players guys that CB,AJ,and BTH had primary defensive assignments against.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | December 30, 2009 2:25 PM

Did you actually watch the game or did you just read the box score? Westbrook missed shots. Gil didn't really "hold" him to anything. He had 10 assists so no one made it difficult for him to get the ball to people. And Maynor did what he wanted. Their front court scorers are wing guys or play facing the basket. They were CB's and AJ's responsiblity. Haywood can't guard everybody.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | December 30, 2009 2:58 PM | Report abuse

"Straight shot at AJ and Gil.."

i mentioned the other day, seems obvious to me a couple guys hate each other on this team and it shows in their play as well as comments.

AJ said plain as day that since it's Brenda's contract year she is battling for every loose ball now and his shoulder has been taking friendly fire.

If these guys say stuff to the press like this, you know what they really think about each other is no good.

Brenda is so jealous of AJs and Gil's money, no doubt about that, and feels the Big3 is really the Big4

meanwhile our man firm racine appears to be living on mars

Posted by: divi3 | December 30, 2009 2:58 PM | Report abuse

I say make em take that Abe logo off of their uniforms. The way these dudes are playing, they do Mr. Pollin a disrespect by wearing his name on their uniforms. Until, they can play like they are playing to honor Mr. Pollin, they should not be allowed to wear his name! The same thing every game. Watch the beginning they are slightly ahead, come back at the half the score is tied or they are up by one point. Come back at the end of the the third and the other team is ahead by 10 or more. Come back six minutes from the ending they make a run. Now fast forward to the last 2 or 3 minutes and they manage to give the game away with turnovers, no defense and stupid mistake after mistake. Love my Wiz, but right now, what a bunch of losers.

Posted by: ivyleague | December 30, 2009 3:00 PM | Report abuse

"Haywood can't guard everybody."

he cant guard anybody who isnt a non-scorer like himself. Uncontested layups at the rim fall on the C moreso than anybody else.

Get JM in there! You know at least two of those would have been swatted

Posted by: divi3 | December 30, 2009 3:01 PM | Report abuse

Hopefully the shine of Boykins hasn't dimmed because he scored a total of 2 points the last two games and gotten more minutes than he deserved.

As for the lack of defense, quick guards will turn the corner and penetrate. Nothing can be done about that under today's rules. Yes, the perimeter needs to be contested better. Guard and small forward responsibility. Yes, the rim needs to be protected consistently. Center and power forward responsibility.

The problem defensively with this team is a athleticism, a lack of. There are 3 athletes on the team. Nick and JaVale doesn't know how to play. D-Mac can't play. Sure he can defend a lil, fights for rebounds, and plays with aggression, but he still can't play.

Posted by: G-Man11 | December 30, 2009 3:04 PM | Report abuse

You guys gotta get off of Haywood. He's not the problem. If Haywood is defending a center who plays away from basket, how can he be expected to protect the rim when there's so little resistance that guys get to the basket before he can help. He's the ONLY player on the team who had a positive +/- last night.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | December 30, 2009 3:05 PM | Report abuse

divi3,

The wizards perimeter defense is a much larger issue than anything going on at the C position.

Please actually watch a few games and you will see this.

Posted by: kevenjones | December 30, 2009 3:08 PM | Report abuse

"If Haywood is defending a center who plays away from basket, how can he be expected to protect the rim when there's so little resistance that guys get to the basket before he can help."

Hey Hand. :)

Yeah I agree with this, which is why I was about to say you can thank AJ for that also.

Haywood played well last night, and I mentioned on here yesterday that Haywood IS getting pulled away from the rim, but let's not kid ourselves. I still say Haywood is soft, but your PF is as responsible as anyone for defneding the rim and ours can't.

Durant went right around Caron also...this team just doesn't know any fundamentals of playing defense, but under EJ's system they were required to "outscore" thier opponent anyway.

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | December 30, 2009 3:12 PM | Report abuse

"The wizards perimeter defense is a much larger issue than anything going on at the C position."

Disagree 100%.

They give up way more layups then jumpers.

I've watched every game and it's just rediculously insane.

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | December 30, 2009 3:15 PM | Report abuse

BTH had ONE FOUL last night!!? This while their guards are making layups late in the 4th quarter!

What kind of candy-ass, puss of an excuse for center picks up 1 foul in 36mins while the paint is being dominated by the opposition?

The kind nicknamed "Brenda"

Posted by: divi3 | December 30, 2009 3:16 PM | Report abuse

Check out thess charts. Wiz among worst at defending SFs and PFs and among best at defending Cs. Hmmmm.

http://www.nbastuffer.com/Strengths_and_Weaknesses_of_NBA_Teams.html

Posted by: learnedhand1 | December 30, 2009 3:19 PM | Report abuse

@rmcazz ,

All that you talking about starts at the perimeter.

Posted by: kevenjones | December 30, 2009 3:30 PM | Report abuse

kal_orama - every league has morals clauses in their contracts - and this might violate one of them... if you're looking to dump him, this might allow you to.

Posted by: 1of9000 | December 30, 2009 3:31 PM | Report abuse

divi3, I use to feel the exact same way about Haywood. But he has really improved. Seriously he has. He is a very decent center especially for what he is paid.

But I'm telling you we got way more pressing business than Haywood.

I'll bet you every other team in the NBA would trade for Haywood right this second, even if it is just because his contract is expiring.

I'll make the same bet to you that NO other team in the league would touch the double Agent right this sec.

What you think?

Posted by: kevenjones | December 30, 2009 3:35 PM | Report abuse

DC_MANN, I'm with you on that one. I surmise that David Stern is using the full weight of his office to keep the lid on that potential public relations nightmare.

Posted by: bazookajoe1 | December 30, 2009 3:39 PM | Report abuse

"kal_orama - every league has morals clauses in their contracts"

And owning or carrying a gun doesn't violate those clauses. Athletes get caught with guns all the time--some legal, some not (and we don't know whether Arenas's were legally owned or not). When was the last time one got bounced from the league, any league, just for having a gun in his possession? Based on what we know now, he didn't shoot at or threaten anyone with it. Just having the gun in his possession isn't nearly enough to trigger his permanent exile, even if the Wiz were inclined to do that (which I doubt they would be).

Posted by: kalo_rama | December 30, 2009 3:41 PM | Report abuse

kevenjones
I agree that BH is the least of the Wizzies problems amongst the starters.
And we'll see what the rest of the NBA thinks of him this summer.

Posted by: VBFan | December 30, 2009 3:42 PM | Report abuse

Did you actually watch the game or did you just read the box score? Westbrook missed shots. Gil didn't really "hold" him to anything. He had 10 assists so no one made it difficult for him to get the ball to people. And Maynor did what he wanted. Their front court scorers are wing guys or play facing the basket. They were CB's and AJ's responsiblity. Haywood can't guard everybody.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | December 30, 2009 2:58 PM | Report abuse

yup i missed some of the game but i saw most of the second half, especially when Maynor was giving earl and gil the blues as i said.yes westbrook missed shots, but he isn't a known shooter or scorer so if he was taking shots he couldn't make or forced to take shots he couldn't make it doesn't matter he didn't score the ball in those instances and Gil was checking him. Secondly i don't hear anybody saying " Gil looks great routinely breaking his man down only to miss the layup." westbrook was 5 of 14 roughly 33% shooting. Gil can't win with you guys, because he didn't block the 9 shots that westbrook missed he isn't credited for defending him, but haywood gives up 28 and 19 to Snax Randolph (or 20 and 11 to Gasol take your pick) and is considered our best defensive player. sheesh

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | December 30, 2009 3:46 PM | Report abuse

This says it all regarding BTH's impact. Haywood among top ten in the NBA.

http://basketballvalue.com/index.php

Posted by: learnedhand1 | December 30, 2009 3:48 PM | Report abuse

Check out thess charts. Wiz among worst at defending SFs and PFs and among best at defending Cs. Hmmmm.

http://www.nbastuffer.com/Strengths_and_Weaknesses_of_NBA_Teams.html

Posted by: learnedhand1 | December 30, 2009 3:19 PM | Report abuse

how many real Cs are there in the league.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | December 30, 2009 3:53 PM | Report abuse

Lilhollywood, I don't have a problem with Gilbert. I have a problem Jamison mostly and Butler. They are the defensive liabilities especially. And calling Randolph "Snax" doesn't make him any less effective as a player. He is and has been a very good offensive player and rebounder. Look at his stats leading up to the Wizards game. He was actually held down.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | December 30, 2009 3:53 PM | Report abuse

i fux with Snax, but there were several people on this blog who would tell you how terrible he was. i didn't mean to disrespect the rebirth of his game. i was more so just goin in on him about his past issues, weight, attitude, smokin tha reefer.

Secondly i'm like tha wiz, you won't catch me defending too many guys. Gil is one of the exceptions because he's been hurt and i'd like to reserve judgement until i see if he's able to play a full season. AJ and CB have been two of the more frequently used targets for my criticism. The shot jacking, and 1 on 1 play that only serves themselves is infuriating. Gil has his all about Gil moments when he can't be talked out of a shot at gunpoint, but most of the game his role is to run the offense and facillitate (top 10 in the NBA in assts) 6.9 per. AJ and CB are designated shooters, who have no interest in making the players around them better. Gil bears more responsibility to lead the team than AJ and CB do, and yet they assume that role and fail at leading anyone (unless you're talking about being led to 19 wins).

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | December 30, 2009 4:03 PM | Report abuse

"how many real Cs are there in the league."

Exactly. And against the teams that actually do have scoring Cs: MGasol, Kaman, JO'Neal, Perkins, and Duncan have all had big games against the Wiz. Even Sam Dalembert and Channing Frye went off.

Posted by: kalo_rama | December 30, 2009 4:13 PM | Report abuse

that's the point i was trying to make.......... so i agree with u..... again . this is so weird.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | December 30, 2009 4:32 PM | Report abuse

"And calling Randolph "Snax" doesn't make him any less effective as a player. He is and has been a very good offensive player and rebounder."

His talent has never been an issue. The guy has All NBA-level ability. It's his attitude, commitment, and focus (and, by extension, his weight and conditioning) that have always been the issues. He seems to have his head on (so far) this season. As always, the question is how long will it last.

Posted by: kalo_rama | December 30, 2009 4:38 PM | Report abuse

This says it all regarding BTH's impact. Haywood among top ten in the NBA.

http://basketballvalue.com/index.php

Posted by: learnedhand1 | December 30, 2009 3:48 PM | Report abuse

if you beleive BTH does anything basketball related that compare favorably to Wade,James, Nash and the rest of the names on that list u r high. The only thing brendan Haywood can do that is special, or unique is be 7 feet tall. he doesn't excel in any facet of the game. He may be valuable to this team defensively, because of their disdain for defense, but he leaves a lot ot be desired offensively and he shrinks against good competition.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | December 30, 2009 4:39 PM | Report abuse

it's like the effin' twilight zone the past 2 days

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | December 30, 2009 4:40 PM | Report abuse

This says it all regarding BTH's impact. Haywood among top ten in the NBA.

http://basketballvalue.com/index.php

Posted by: learnedhand1 | December 30, 2009 3:48 PM | Report abuse

the tables also show that we are just 4 pts better offensively with him and 6pts worse defensively without him. i know we got scorers to make up the 4 missing pts, do we have a 7 ft whatever human eraser to take away 3 baskets a game?

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | December 30, 2009 4:46 PM | Report abuse

Laying primary responsibility on the Center to defend against guards driving the lane is absolutely ludicrous.

Of course everyone wants a center to be an "eraser" who can defend the rim in case there is a defensive breakdown and guys are getting to the basket.

But the point is that you ask the center to be there IN THE CASE OF A DEFENSIVE BREAKDOWN. Not because he's the one primarily responsible for defending against dribble penetration.

The reason that Flip was blasting his team was because they are incapable of playing man defense, because ANYONE can drive past those guys and get to the basket.

Posted by: p1funk | December 30, 2009 4:46 PM | Report abuse

p1funk,

These dudes just don't get it. I think they actually believe the sh*t they are typing.

But this explains how all of our franchises are able to exist. We collectively ain't got a clue. And anyone pointing the finger at Haywood must have been using what was going on with him 4 years ago, because Haywood just ain't the issue.

Posted by: kevenjones | December 30, 2009 4:52 PM | Report abuse

p1funk,

These dudes just don't get it. I think they actually believe the sh*t they are typing.

But this explains how all of our franchises are able to exist. We collectively ain't got a clue. And anyone pointing the finger at Haywood must have been using what was going on with him 4 years ago, because Haywood just ain't the issue.

Posted by: kevenjones | December 30, 2009 4:52 PM | Report abuse


No kidding.

By their logic, the defensive scheme breaksdown like this:

The Center is responsible for everyone on defense.

It's be nice if the other 4 guys chipped in to defend every once in a while but don't really expect them to do anything b/c it's the NBA and guards are really quick.

With a perspective like that folks deserve a 10-20 team that's over the cap.

Posted by: p1funk | December 30, 2009 4:56 PM | Report abuse

These guys look at well Haywood only scores 10ppg and Gil scores 35 so without Gil we wouldn't even be in the games...IDIOTS

Shi* is so sad it's funny.

Last season would've looked nothing like it did had Haywood been healthy. Hard to believe but true...

What has changed this sesason is the SYSTEM. And the SYSTEM that they are currently running exposes everyone more because Coach Jordan's system is more suited to these players. So their lack of defense is even more critical and more exposed now than ever before.

Not a knock against Coach Saunders at all but just trying to combat the idiots saying, "well Haywood's back now and well we're still losing". Because it aint' on the C position...

Posted by: kevenjones | December 30, 2009 4:57 PM | Report abuse

Not a knock against Coach Saunders at all but just trying to combat the idiots saying, "well Haywood's back now and well we're still losing". Because it aint' on the C position...

Posted by: kevenjones | December 30, 2009 4:57 PM | Report abuse


The expectations of superior performance on any team should ride on the guys that they are paying the most.

They invested $160 million in Gil and AJ to keep the team built around those guys.

That means you reasonably expect $160 million worth of performance and output from those guys.

The team is 10-20 and can't defend. And people want to throw...Brendan Haywood under the bus????


Posted by: p1funk | December 30, 2009 5:03 PM | Report abuse

haywood isn't THE issue ok i don't know who said he was THE issue, but you've already misquoted me once so whatever. I think folks are piling on Haywood on here B/c you keep talking him up as if we had Dwight Howard, Pau Gasol (or Bynum), or Duncan. I have commented on the 71 pts given up to 5 frontcourt players last night(35 from Tha Durantula) so we can spread the blame over BTH,AJ, and CB. I have also commented on the 28 and 19 from snax and 18 and 11 from Gasol-ina so you can spread that over BTh and AJ. The point is that as good of a defender as we want to think BTH is, whenever he plays against guys that have game he gets more shots in his face then jenna Jameson. The guards have to keep guys in front of them, but they are going up against players that are just as quick if not quicker than them. 1 step is all it takes sometimes, that's why we need Haywood to be an eraser. Don't tell me about how great this guy is when i can watch the games myself and see different. he's improved, but he's not a great center yet, there's still much to be desired from his game.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | December 30, 2009 5:04 PM | Report abuse

So if Haywood was healthy last year they would of won maybe 10 or 15 more games so what big deal they would of still been a under 500 losing team so I could care less LMFAO

Posted by: rnorris6 | December 30, 2009 5:05 PM | Report abuse

The team is 10-20 and can't defend. And people want to throw...Brendan Haywood under the bus????

Posted by: p1funk | December 30, 2009 5:03 PM | Report abuse

if you aren't part of the solution you're part of the problem right. Brenda stop talking about your teammates to the media and play ball. Kev and Funk you have nuthin to say about the 40+pts and 25+ rebs Snax and gasolina had on monday was that the guards too? How bout the FTs that BTH misses? Do those contribut to the final score or do only Gil's FTs count? I swear if BTH impresses you then more power to ya. I have issues with AJ, issues with CB issues with Foye, but Gil gets a pass he hasn't played for 2 years b'c of 3 knee surgeries not a broken wrist (no pun intended Brenda).

Funk u of all people should know i don't mess with AJ or CB so i'm not piling on BTH. However if he's the force that Kev Jones makes him out to be then why sholudn't we expect him to be an eraser. If he's the defensive leader then he needs to lead that defense not allow 71 pts from froncourt players, while finishing the game with 1 foul.

But Kev blames gil cuz the old man (rip) payed him. get over it players play the games not contracts. Gil's earnin his money.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | December 30, 2009 5:14 PM | Report abuse

Brenda has historically whined about not getting consistent minutes and now he's getting 30+ every night.

Sure he rebounds his own misses and blocks a few shots but what happened to his new and improved free throw stroke?

Phil Chenier chastized him last night for not getting more DEFENSIVE rebounds and that is a valid point.

I just have a hunch that JaVale as starting C will:

improve team FG PCT
make Arenas' assist number swell
increase tempo and fast break points
inspire Andray to play ABOVE the rim more

and most importantly
MAKE THIS TEAM MORE EXCITING TO WATCH!

Posted by: elfreako | December 30, 2009 5:14 PM | Report abuse

Last I remember Basketball was a team sport if you took the lakers and Kobe went out due to injury the team would of been middle of the pack at best but on the other side if you had Kobe with no supporting cast of players they would still be middle class team/ 1 player can make a differance but only if the rest of the team played as 1 in a common purpose and that is to care about winning not just how many touches they could get LOL

Posted by: rnorris6 | December 30, 2009 5:16 PM | Report abuse

Gilbert is the best player on this team and he is also untradeable. There is a market for Haywood, Jamison and Butler, soooo it is a no-brainer.... do an Ainge, Ernie!

Posted by: khrabb | December 30, 2009 5:25 PM | Report abuse

Exactly. And against the teams that actually do have scoring Cs: MGasol, Kaman, JO'Neal, Perkins, and Duncan have all had big games against the Wiz. Even Sam Dalembert and Channing Frye went off.

Posted by: kalo_rama | December 30, 2009 4:13 PM

Did you watch those games? Those dudes got theirs off of guard play. They weren't backing Haywood down and scoring on him with impunity or facing up and beating him off the dribble. Frye was a match up deal. He stayed at the 3-pt line and drained threes. But whatever. I'm done arguing about Haywood. Last season showed how important he is to the team. But you may again see - this time permanently - how the team suffers defensively without him.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | December 30, 2009 5:26 PM | Report abuse

We all know that the BIG 3 so called we have is not working but what could be the answer?

Posted by: svafai2000 | December 30, 2009 5:30 PM | Report abuse

@elfreako

these clowns are touting this mediocre half-a-big man as the second coming of wilt or something. I've watched this guy since UNC (where i'da took peppers over BTH is Pep still hooped)BTH is one of the most underwhelming Big men ever over the course of his bball career. He was a standout for a year or 2 in carolina and then kinda flew under the radar. i think he was traded twice before his rookie yr started and has been an avg to below avg big man in this league his whole career.

These guys look at well Haywood only scores 10ppg and Gil scores 35 so without Gil we wouldn't even be in the games...IDIOTS
Posted by: kevenjones | December 30, 2009 4:57 PM | Report abuse

why woould i compare bth to out own PG when i could compare his numbers to other starting NBA centers, but i don't think you really wanna have that argument. The wiz aren't the only team in the NBA haywood may compare favorably to OLDberto or McGee, but he ranks 13th in player efficiency rtg, 25th in fg%, 19th in PPG, 4th in Rpg. These are against all other NBA centers not players. he's not terrible but he certainly isn't as good as yall paint him out to be. some of the categories he's being beaten by guys that don't even start.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | December 30, 2009 5:34 PM | Report abuse

@ elfreako Phil should know that it's tough to defensive rebound when the other team isn't missing or when you're defending a man away from the basket as he was with Krstic.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | December 30, 2009 5:34 PM | Report abuse

do all you folks calling everyone else "fools" and "idiots" realize that Flip employs zones a ton of the time and indeed, Brenda's responsibility IS the rim and not just the other C?

Posted by: divi3 | December 30, 2009 5:39 PM | Report abuse

lilhollywood you are effing hilarious, rolling over here...you should do wiz youtube skits like that funnydanny redskins guy

Posted by: divi3 | December 30, 2009 5:42 PM | Report abuse

Is Arenas just stupid?

After what happened to Plaxico Burress in NY, what the heck is he doing with handguns at Verizon Center?

He had to keep them away from his kids?

So, why have them at all?

Nobody is threatening his life and he can certainly afford to hire a bodyguard to protect him if necessary.

Arenas as usual acting with no common sense.

What else is new?

Posted by: leopard09 | December 30, 2009 5:43 PM | Report abuse

But you may again see - this time permanently - how the team suffers defensively without him.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | December 30, 2009 5:26 PM | Report abuse

tell me again how well we're doing with him. we on a pace to win what 25-30 games. i see your point............all this over brenda, but yall wanna get rid of Gil. Brenda of NO all star fame. Brenda of NO all NBA fame. Brenda of NO team USA invite fame. Brenda of 1 double digit scoring avg season. Brenda of 1 double bigit rebounding avg season. I guess it was Brenda leading those teams to the playoffs and filling the arena. who knew?

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | December 30, 2009 5:44 PM | Report abuse

"But you may again see - this time permanently - how the team suffers defensively without him."

They suffer defensively with him. He's played every game this season and they still stink on defense.

"Phil should know that it's tough to defensive rebound when the other team isn't missing or when you're defending a man away from the basket as he was with Krstic."

Please. It's not like Kristic was launching 3 point bombs from 5 feet behind the line. He took some mid-range jumpshots (just like pretty much every other decent scoring big man in the NBA; if Haywood can't adjust to that then he can't play in the current NBA) and had a couple close around the basket. He didn't do anything that you wouldn't see from most scoring bigs (aside from Howard and Shaq) on any given night. That's just the way it is in the NBA.

Posted by: kalo_rama | December 30, 2009 5:45 PM | Report abuse

'Krstic' is yugoslovian for 'brenda'

Posted by: divi3 | December 30, 2009 5:47 PM | Report abuse

do all you folks calling everyone else "fools" and "idiots" realize that Flip employs zones a ton of the time and indeed, Brenda's responsibility IS the rim and not just the other C?

Posted by: divi3 | December 30, 2009 5:39 PM | Report abuse

that was the icing for my cake thx divi

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | December 30, 2009 5:48 PM | Report abuse

if the guns are registered, so what if Gil had them, he lives in VA right? He can roll around with them in his car if he wants.

Bringing them across the Potomac and into Verizon was dumbGil for sure, but he's all tight with the security guys and probably 'thought' that was the best way to get rid of them.

Posted by: divi3 | December 30, 2009 5:50 PM | Report abuse

Is Arenas just stupid?

After what happened to Plaxico Burress in NY, what the heck is he doing with handguns at Verizon Center?

He had to keep them away from his kids?

So, why have them at all?

Nobody is threatening his life and he can certainly afford to hire a bodyguard to protect him if necessary.

Arenas as usual acting with no common sense.

What else is new?

Posted by: leopard09 | December 30, 2009 5:43 PM | Report abuse

i think plax woulda been straight had he not carried a loaded handgun (with the safety off) in his waistline (like da gangstas do) into a full to capacity nightclub in a city where handguns are outlawed and then shoot himself, and then try to get your boy to help you cover it up. Gil's story (if you want to believe it) sounds a lot more commonsensical that plax's story. but at the end of the day gil was wrong too. not nearly as stupid , but wrong.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | December 30, 2009 5:57 PM | Report abuse

"Did you watch those games? Those dudes got theirs off of guard play. They weren't backing Haywood down and scoring on him with impunity or facing up and beating him off the dribble."

Did you watch those games? Because that's exactly what Kaman and Gasol did, multiple times. And even if some of the scoring did come off nice passes from the guards . . . so what? Those plays still need to be defended. Keep a body between the offensive player and the ball to hamper the entry pass, or keep a body between the man and the basket to impede his getting the the rim. It's not like the defense gets a pass (so to speak) in those situations.

Posted by: kalo_rama | December 30, 2009 5:59 PM | Report abuse

'Krstic' is yugoslovian for 'brenda'

Posted by: divi3 | December 30, 2009 5:47 PM | Report abuse
then Durant must be "PG County" for "I will bang on yer dome Bluff juice" he made CB look old and slow. Cb was playin like a big dog for a coupla good games over the past week or so. Durant neutered him last night.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | December 30, 2009 6:00 PM | Report abuse

Does anybody remember Jerry Colangelo's invitation to JaVale McGee for USA basketball last summer?

Why do you suppose that happened?

Because McGee can keep up with the fast tempo of international play better than most centers?

Because hoops at all pro levels aint't waiting around for knock-kneed centers to get to their sweet spots anymore?

Perhaps a REAL GM just sees real talent?

Posted by: elfreako | December 30, 2009 6:03 PM | Report abuse

Does anybody remember Jerry Colangelo's invitation to JaVale McGee for USA basketball last summer?

Why do you suppose that happened?

Because McGee can keep up with the fast tempo of international play better than most centers?

Because hoops at all pro levels aint't waiting around for knock-kneed centers to get to their sweet spots anymore?

Perhaps a REAL GM just sees real talent?

Posted by: elfreako | December 30, 2009 6:03 PM | Report abuse

what does he know flip won 50 games a coupla times (and that's it), he's tha man at those carnie shooting games and he's been fired from his last 2 jobs and out of hoops last year. go figure

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | December 30, 2009 6:06 PM | Report abuse

do all you folks calling everyone else "fools" and "idiots" realize that Flip employs zones a ton of the time and indeed, Brenda's responsibility IS the rim and not just the other C?

Posted by: divi3 | December 30, 2009 5:39 PM | Report abuse


Do you realize that Flip specifically said they were getting some stops when they went zone, but it all falls apart when they go man defense because he specifically said no one on his team can guard anyone off of the dribble???

Why don't you sit down with Flip's transcript from last night and re-read it.

Posted by: p1funk | December 30, 2009 6:14 PM | Report abuse

Here.

I'll save you the trouble. Now you read this and tell me what the coach is specifying as the main problem with the defense:


"Through 30 games, you evaluate through 30 games where you're at, and right now, the way it's going, it ain't getting done more our zone got us back in the game, then they scored a couple times on zone, guys want to come out of the zone to play man to man. They can't guard anybody. You know, I think I can go out there on that floor and take anybody on our team one-on-one, 52 years old, and drive right around them...."

Posted by: p1funk | December 30, 2009 6:18 PM | Report abuse

I am in no way a Gilbert fan, but I think given the circumstances of the past two years, he doing well. However, we could have had two decent draft picks to add to the squad. The rookies are making a real impact this year both as leaders and as role players.

Posted by: lk11 | December 30, 2009 6:26 PM | Report abuse

funk, watch the video. Right after your quote Flip says they tried to go back to zone but failed because guys weren't "locked in."

you dont think that's an allusion to Brenda et al giving up layups in the 4th?

anyways, most importantly he claims "spots are up for grabs"

if he's doing more than just venting, we will see more of Dom and get a mcgee sighting

ONE FOUL! that alone should get mcgee some burn

Posted by: divi3 | December 30, 2009 6:29 PM | Report abuse

sounds like the zone was working, then these mysterious "guys want to come out of the zone" after they give up a "couple" of baskets. so flip agrees, at which point he realizes his team "can't guard anybody" man-to-man. my question is why the coach didn't go back to the zone rather than let it go and then talk greasy about the team he's been coaching since this summer (remember the ipods). They are still a representation of him and his vision/gameplan on the court. He has to carry some of the burden too.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | December 30, 2009 6:30 PM | Report abuse

my old coach said that big men who finish games with only 1 foul weren't playing defense. shaq can pick up 2 fouls by sneezing.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | December 30, 2009 6:33 PM | Report abuse

i think Flip stinks and have said so for weeks now, he bears a big responsibility.

If they cant play D, then he needs to change the style of offense to suit the talent. Or play NY, Dom, and JM for reals and send a message bigger than his rant.

Posted by: divi3 | December 30, 2009 6:33 PM | Report abuse

sounds like the zone was working, then these mysterious "guys want to come out of the zone" after they give up a "couple" of baskets. so flip agrees, at which point he realizes his team "can't guard anybody" man-to-man. my question is why the coach didn't go back to the zone rather than let it go and then talk greasy about the team he's been coaching since this summer (remember the ipods). They are still a representation of him and his vision/gameplan on the court. He has to carry some of the burden too.

Posted by: lilhollywood10

Get your facts straight Flip did not ask them to go to man defense the players did it on their own and that is a me first attitude that wont fly on this team any longer

Posted by: rnorris6 | December 30, 2009 6:34 PM | Report abuse

i think Flip stinks and have said so for weeks now, he bears a big responsibility.

If they cant play D, then he needs to change the style of offense to suit the talent. Or play NY, Dom, and JM for reals and send a message bigger than his rant.

Posted by: divi3 | December 30, 2009 6:33 PM
Flip did not go out and sign those players and he can coach all he wants if the players dont do it what can he do not much considering how much money is envested in the big 3

Posted by: rnorris6 | December 30, 2009 6:36 PM | Report abuse

elfreako

How long would Javale last if he started against most of the other starting C's in the league?
He'd have 4 fouls before the 2nd Q starts.

I love his upside but let's be real --- he ain't ready for prime time---yet.

Posted by: VBFan | December 30, 2009 6:37 PM | Report abuse

@ kalo_rama So now your list is down to Kaman and Gasol, two pretty decent post players. If I have to rotate off of my man to take on a penetrator, it's not possible for me stay between my man and the ball or my man and the rim. Someone else is supposed to rotate to my man.

@ lilhollywood Again, I don't have a problem with Gil. Jamison and Butler are the problems defensively. The one common denominator on the 19 win season is Butler and Jamison were present for darn near all of it. And they are more than half-way to that win total now with Haywood and Gil, who you repeatedly say is still not quite himself. Wiz have never won more than 45 games with this core when healthy and has avg'd about 42 wins a year. Being on pace to win 30 games with a limited superstar seems about right.

I never thought this team would win 50 games. This team would be better if it didn't have to go long these long stretches without Miller. They miss his high bball IQ. Don't dispair things will improve upon his return.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | December 30, 2009 6:43 PM | Report abuse

'How long would Javale last if he started against most of the other starting C's in the league?
He'd have 4 fouls before the 2nd Q starts.'

JM's last appearance was 19mins against Pho without a single foul.

Last week of Nov kid logged 60mins with only 4 fouls AND 14 BLOCKS

Posted by: divi3 | December 30, 2009 6:44 PM | Report abuse

Plus McGee needs to hit the weight room and bulk up he gets pushed around too easy by opposing centers and power forwards

Posted by: rnorris6 | December 30, 2009 6:44 PM | Report abuse

McGee is a decent help defender but he makes so many mental errors that his bad plays negate any benefit he provides.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | December 30, 2009 6:50 PM | Report abuse

"McGee is a decent help defender but he makes so many mental errors that his bad plays negate any benefit he provides."

i dont how this and the "he gets pushed around" stuff is used an excuse to limit a promising 7fter on our dismal team's roster. What mistakes does he possibly make that every fool on the floor isnt making 3fold with their time?

Posted by: divi3 | December 30, 2009 6:55 PM | Report abuse

Bottomline: He doesn't make enough money to screw up. Coaches and GMs believe that if they are going to lose, they are going to lose with the players who give them the best chance to win not projects.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | December 30, 2009 7:04 PM | Report abuse

Didn't Pollin change the team name from 'Bullets' to 'Wizards' because of all of the gun violence in DC? Unbelievable that $160m of Pollin's/his estate's money will be paid to a man who brought & brandished guns into his crowning urban renewal project: the Verizon Center. The Verizon Center and related developments have done more to decrease violent crime downtown than anything since the MLK riots. It's hard to imagine someone being more disrespectful to the late owner, let alone someone who is simultaneously taking such a huge portion of his estate/legacy. Take the Pollin ribbon off the jersey Gil, you at least owe him that.

Posted by: SammyT1 | December 30, 2009 7:21 PM | Report abuse

"Didn't Pollin change the team name from 'Bullets' to 'Wizards' because of all of the gun violence in DC?"

No, the gun violence had gone on for years. Abe changed the name when his friend Rabin was assassinated in israel.

Posted by: divi3 | December 30, 2009 7:41 PM | Report abuse

"@ lilhollywood Again, I don't have a problem with Gil. Jamison and Butler are the problems defensively."

I agree 100% with this statement.

I would like to see them play McGee a lot more right now however.

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | December 30, 2009 8:06 PM | Report abuse


Plus McGee needs to hit the weight room and bulk up he gets pushed around too easy by opposing centers and power forwards

Posted by: rnorris6

Who's gonna push McGee around?

Bargnani?
Al Horford?
Dalambert?
Nene?

For every Dwight Howard he'll face, there are a dozen ham & eggers he'll dunk on twice a half.

What people aren't factoring in is the WAY McGee scores. His FGs get the crowd AND bench on their feet. You can't tell me a dunk by McGee in the 2nd half is worth just two points. It gives EVERYBODY life and contributes to overall team swag.

As far as mistakes go...

Will he shoot less than 65% from the line?

No

Will he miss countless layups and tip ins quarter after quarter?

No.

I bet you if Flip gave him 30 minutes every night he'd average at least 15 ppg.

Don't tell me about foul trouble because the more comfortable he gets, the less dumb whistles he'll get.

JaVale Mcgee is not a 7-footer playing basektball. He's a basketball player who happens to be seven feet.

Posted by: elfreako | December 30, 2009 8:17 PM | Report abuse

Who is on first here. When the Thunder sealed this game in the first half of the fourth quarter, Brendan Haywood was not in the game.

In the 2nd quarter when the Wiz made a game of it and took the lead Brendan and Blatche was playing together with AJ on the bench.

Durant started shooting threes to keep the Thunder close. But when Flip took Haywood out of the game that is when Durant made that signature drive dunk at the end of the quarter.

The second quarter play with BH & AB together was the best stretch in the game by the Wiz.

Flip should have started the 4th the same way, but BH was on the bench until six minutes left in the 4th with AB playing center.

When BH was put back into the game it was over.

To continue to blame this horrendous play on perceived ineffective players is dumb.

Flip Saunders does not know how to play this Team.

End of Discussion.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | December 30, 2009 8:23 PM | Report abuse

"When BH was put back into the game it was over."

if a 5pt hole with 6mins left to play is insurmountable, this team really has no chance

Posted by: divi3 | December 30, 2009 8:32 PM | Report abuse

here is a long shopping list dang they must want to unload their whole team by trade deadline lol

There is a belief among some rival executives -- or perhaps it's more accurate to call it a hope -- that the Hornets will not be able to resist moving All-Star forward David West before the Feb. 18 trading deadline to ensure that they get comfortably under the tax threshold.

New Orleans' preference would obviously be moving out player(s) from its list of veterans with contracts that stretch beyond this season. That list presumably includes Emeka Okafor, Peja Stojakovic, James Posey, Mo Peterson, Darius Songaila and Julian Wright

Posted by: rnorris6 | December 30, 2009 8:37 PM | Report abuse

"When BH was put back into the game it was over."

if a 5pt hole with 6mins left to play is insurmountable, this team really has no chance

Posted by: divi3 | December 30, 2009 8:32 PM

The momentum had swung to the Thunder bigtime by Flip playing the wrong combination of players to start the "Money" quarter. You don't fool around in the "Money" quarter unless you have superior players that can take control of a game and we don't.

Gilbert is a "Money" player but right now he doesn't have any cashflow, so if we are 5-pts down in the "Money" quarter, we are screwed.

Flip's coaching isn't any better than the sorry play of the players.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | December 30, 2009 8:42 PM | Report abuse

NO Larry only mistake Flip made was becoming the coach of this dissfunctional team loaded with me first selfish players who only care about how many touches they get in the game and that is truly sad

Posted by: rnorris6 | December 30, 2009 8:46 PM | Report abuse

Hey Larry are you sure you are not that homer from redskin nation lol

Posted by: rnorris6 | December 30, 2009 8:47 PM | Report abuse

I don't know how many of you that have played the game before, but I have, and when that 4th Q' started and the Thunder were ready to rock and roll and Flip trotted out a half-ass lineup, The Thunder were grinning between their toes.

That is when that game was won and Brendan Haywood was on the Bench.

Flip dosen't have a clue, at least so far.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | December 30, 2009 8:50 PM | Report abuse

"The momentum had swung to the Thunder bigtime by Flip playing the wrong combination of players to start the "Money" quarter. You don't fool around in the "Money" quarter unless you have superior players that can take control of a game and we don't."

5mins into the "money" quarter as you call it, we were up 1pt. AJ was 2-2, Gil was 2-2 with a 3pter, Foye had hit a 3pter.

OKC goes on a 6-0 run, BTH comes in, and the game ends on a 15-8 OKC run from there.

I'm not seeing anything there but "this team sucks"

Posted by: divi3 | December 30, 2009 8:57 PM | Report abuse

So Larry in your opinion this team wins and losses are centered around how much Brendan Haywood plays MAN you must have very little respect for the other players on this team and wow will you be vocal when the wizards do not re sign him after the season

Posted by: rnorris6 | December 30, 2009 9:01 PM | Report abuse

money man Haywood was 2pts, 0rebs, 0blocks in the 4th quarter, if only we'd put him in sooner

Posted by: divi3 | December 30, 2009 9:02 PM | Report abuse

Haywood in 4th QTR this season:

1.5 ppg in frame
-34 rating
17/27 FTs (63%)

Oh and two fouls with less than 1 second remaing to Pacers and Grizz.

Ernie on July 1st: Um, yeah don't call us we'll call you...

Posted by: elfreako | December 30, 2009 9:15 PM | Report abuse

funk, watch the video. Right after your quote Flip says they tried to go back to zone but failed because guys weren't "locked in."

you dont think that's an allusion to Brenda et al giving up layups in the 4th?

anyways, most importantly he claims "spots are up for grabs"

if he's doing more than just venting, we will see more of Dom and get a mcgee sighting

ONE FOUL! that alone should get mcgee some burn

Posted by: divi3 | December 30, 2009 6:29 PM | Report abuse


What he's saying is that the man defense is sooooo atrocious and the prospect of people driving past players to the hoop is such a big liability that he is forced to play zone, even if it doesn't work all the time.

Like he said...the zone got them back into the game.

Flip is talking about having to choose the lesser of 2 evils - which is zone. Because he cannot even entertain the prospect of going man.

This team's defense SUCKS all around. That is a given, and I'm certainly not saying that BTH is the second coming of Shaq. Of course they aren't PAYING BTH to be Shaq or Duncan or Alonzo Mourning; so we shouldn't exepct that kind of production from him.

BUT they ARE pay Gilbert Arenas to be the max-out guy. He is the money man. He is this team's Kobe Bryant. He is our Dwayne Wade. He is our LeBron James. That's what we've paid him to be, but he so atrocious and so one-dimensional that the coach cannot even entertain the possibility of putting him in man defense.

Posted by: p1funk | December 30, 2009 9:18 PM | Report abuse

"money man Haywood was 2pts, 0rebs, 0blocks in the 4th quarter, if only we'd put him in sooner

Posted by: divi3 | December 30, 2009 9:02 PM | Report abuse

Haywood in 4th QTR this season:

1.5 ppg in frame
-34 rating
17/27 FTs (63%)

Oh and two fouls with less than 1 second remaing to Pacers and Grizz.

Ernie on July 1st: Um, yeah don't call us we'll call you...

Posted by: elfreako | December 30, 2009 9:15 PM | Report abuse "

LOL!

Subtract BTH from the lineup and you think Les BouleS would have had a better chance to win?

Surely you jest.

And you're the same people beating Gilby's drum.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | December 30, 2009 9:23 PM | Report abuse

"No, the gun violence had gone on for years. Abe changed the name when his friend Rabin was assassinated in israel.

Posted by: divi3 | December 30, 2009 7:41 PM | Report abuse "

And Rabin's assassination had absolutely nothing to do with Les BouleS in Washington.

It changes nothing, but probably jersey sales.

And to think Gilby was Abe's chosen boy....to "represent the organization the best in the world that he can," and then Gilby brings heat into the house that Abe built.

Whatever.

Impossible is possible....not nothing.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | December 30, 2009 9:26 PM | Report abuse

What the hey are you guys talking about. The Thunder owned the 4th Q' from start to end.

We did not start the 4th Q with our best lineup. The Thunder knew this and by the time Flip tried to put BH in the game or make an adjustment the game was over.

Anything that happened after Haywood entered the game was moot. The quarter had already been won by the Thunder.

You cannot play Defense with a scrub lineup and the best defensive lineup that the Wizards can put on the floor has to start with Haywood and Blatche together in the paint.

For Flip or anyone else to believe otherwise shows a supreme lack of knowledge for the game.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | December 30, 2009 9:36 PM | Report abuse

DC eighty-eight:

I'm saying play Dray next to JaVale with Gilbert and cut down Brenda's minutes.

This team is 10 games below .500 dude. It ain't working and it ain't gonna work unless the young'ins start to gain trust and time.

If the Wiz are gonna suck at least put an entertaining product on the floor. Brenda missing layup after tip in just doesn't do it for me.

Posted by: elfreako | December 30, 2009 9:44 PM | Report abuse

You cannot play Defense with a scrub lineup and the best defensive lineup that the Wizards can put on the floor has to start with Haywood and Blatche together in the paint.

For Flip or anyone else to believe otherwise shows a supreme lack of knowledge for the game.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | December 30, 2009 9:36 PM

HEY Larry since you know so much about the game why not get a job as a coach then you could get paid for your knowledge !!!! LOL Ya might even get to be brendas next coach cause i will put money on the fact he wont be a wizard next season he may of pulled the hat over abes eyes but guess what abe does not own the team any more

Posted by: rnorris6 | December 30, 2009 9:44 PM | Report abuse

At least Gilbert is concerned about "self" defense...cause he sure don't play none on the floor.

Posted by: rickyroge | December 30, 2009 9:46 PM | Report abuse

"DC eighty-eight:

I'm saying play Dray next to JaVale with Gilbert and cut down Brenda's minutes.

This team is 10 games below .500 dude. It ain't working and it ain't gonna work unless the young'ins start to gain trust and time.

If the Wiz are gonna suck at least put an entertaining product on the floor. Brenda missing layup after tip in just doesn't do it for me.

Posted by: elfreako | December 30, 2009 9:44 PM | Report abuse "

Ok, put two stringbeans into the starting lineup?

This team was built to win now....not to put a 7ft pogo stick into the lineup who has no offense and can only go for 10 minutes before his output is maxed out.

Fans pay money to see the team win...not watch a bunch of @ssclowns run up and down and chuck the ball. If you want to watch that, go buy a ticket to an And1 game or Harlem Globetrotters.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | December 30, 2009 9:52 PM | Report abuse

Larry -

How in Sam Hell does anyone know that JaVale can't play defense?

He hasn't been on the floor more than 42 minutes this month!

Somehow I doubt he would get outrebounded by Ryan Gomes, Sam Young & Ibaka but we'll never know cause Flip is a tool.

Posted by: elfreako | December 30, 2009 9:54 PM | Report abuse

"What the hey are you guys talking about. The Thunder owned the 4th Q' from start to end....For Flip or anyone else to believe otherwise shows a supreme lack of knowledge for the game."

hey larry, maybe you should look at the play-by-plays if you cant recall what happens in the game. Score was TIED to start the 4th.

7:43 left in the game, Wiz were up by 1. That FACT pretty much puts to rest your theories about "look in the eyes" of the thunder etc etc

and btw, haywood is a stiff. The stats elfreako posted tell you exactly what kind of player he is

Posted by: divi3 | December 30, 2009 9:58 PM | Report abuse

Ok, put two stringbeans into the starting lineup?

McGee & Blatche weigh as much combined as Jamison and Brenda.

This team was built to win now....not to put a 7ft pogo stick into the lineup who has no offense

Have you seen McGee abuse Haywood one-on-one pregame? I'm there for every home game well before tip and JaVale beats him frequently.

Fans pay money to see the team win...not watch a bunch of @ssclowns run up and down and chuck the ball

Jamison is the king of chuckers. If a FG attempt on this team goes up before the shot clock hits 17, either Gil or Twan shot it.

Posted by: elfreako | December 30, 2009 10:00 PM | Report abuse

HEY Larry since you know so much about the game why not get a job as a coach then you could get paid for your knowledge !!!! LOL Ya might even get to be brendas next coach cause i will put money on the fact he wont be a wizard next season he may of pulled the hat over abes eyes but guess what abe does not own the team any more

Posted by: rnorris6 | December 30, 2009 9:44 PM

Rnorris6,

This is no relevation about Brendan that you are spouting. I have already posted many blogs back that BH, AB, and JM will walk from this Team.

You would be wrong to think that these guys are stupid. They know that the current coaching philosophy is not what is best for them.

And unless it changes, when it is time for their contracts to be renewed, neither one of them will be renewing them with the Wizards.

It will be the Wizards loss and somebody's else's gain. The Wizards have a track record of losing players that excel after they are gone.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | December 30, 2009 10:02 PM | Report abuse

This team was built to win now....not to put a 7ft pogo stick into the lineup who has no offense and can only go for 10 minutes before his output is maxed out.

Fans pay money to see the team win...not watch a bunch of @ssclowns run up and down and chuck the ball. If you want to watch that, go buy a ticket to an And1 game or Harlem Globetrotters.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | December 30, 2009 9:52 PM

And you are correct and I will say this but no more I have a friend who works for the wizards and it is common knowledge that the team is built as it is at the insistance of abe and EG expressed his concerns but did as any good employee does follow his bosses wishes

Posted by: rnorris6 | December 30, 2009 10:06 PM | Report abuse

"McGee & Blatche weigh as much combined as Jamison and Brenda."

Who's talking about MeTawn?

BTH has bulk and size in the middle. Those other two dudes would break like toothpicks.

"Have you seen McGee abuse Haywood one-on-one pregame? I'm there for every home game well before tip and JaVale beats him frequently."

Since when did the NBA become a one on one matchup between two players?

JaTravel doesn't know anything about team play, defensive plays, helping out, etc. He's even worse than BTH when it comes to a post game.

"Jamison is the king of chuckers. If a FG attempt on this team goes up before the shot clock hits 17, either Gil or Twan shot it."

What does MeTawn have to do with replacing BTH?

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | December 30, 2009 10:08 PM | Report abuse

"And you are correct and I will say this but no more I have a friend who works for the wizards and it is common knowledge that the team is built as it is at the insistance of abe and EG expressed his concerns but did as any good employee does follow his bosses wishes

Posted by: rnorris6 | December 30, 2009 10:06 PM | Report abuse "

So Abe is no better than Snyder..

Again, EG done did the draft picks and the FA acquisitions.

How are those working out?

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | December 30, 2009 10:10 PM | Report abuse

Larry -

How in Sam Hell does anyone know that JaVale can't play defense?

He hasn't been on the floor more than 42 minutes this month!

Somehow I doubt he would get outrebounded by Ryan Gomes, Sam Young & Ibaka but we'll never know cause Flip is a tool.

Posted by: elfreako | December 30, 2009 9:54 PM |

Elfreako,

I don't know how anyone knows that JM cannot play defense either. That is why I keep saying that BH and AB should be on the floor together and guess who gets to relieve either one of them when they come out of the game. Yes, Javale McGee. That keeps two of our big guys in the paint for major minutes and helps us defensively.

All this crap about Haywood can't do this, and Blatche getting posterized and yada yada yada.

Play two of them boys together for major minutes at all times. I am talking about team defense here and not this one man defense that Flip wants to play. Bullcrap.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | December 30, 2009 10:13 PM | Report abuse

like i said i will say no more on that but everyone ridesEG about everything but there is always more to this situation than anyone knows that was done behind closed doors and I will not knock abe because he did so much for DC

Posted by: rnorris6 | December 30, 2009 10:15 PM | Report abuse

Obviously I'm talking about benching both AJ and Brenda.

If Flip wants the team to pick up the pace then start a more athletic 5:

Arenas
Miller
Butler
Blatche
McGee


Posted by: elfreako | December 30, 2009 10:18 PM | Report abuse

Stop calling the man Brenda. It shows a lack of class and disrespect. No one has to approve of his play, but it is wrong to call him out of name.

I can see being sarcastic a time or two, but if you would not do it to his face, stop saying it to all of us.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | December 30, 2009 10:24 PM | Report abuse

"So now your list is down to Kaman and Gasol, two pretty decent post players."

My "list" isn't "down" to anything. Haywood was jobbed by all of them, but those were the most egregious examples fresh in memory. Giving up a double-double to JO'Neal's broken down ass or a scrub like Dalembert isn't anything to be proud of, no matter how it happened.

"If I have to rotate off of my man to take on a penetrator, it's not possible for me stay between my man and the ball or my man and the rim. Someone else is supposed to rotate to my man."

Nice try.

It wasn't always on penetration that the passes came. It's a fairly common sight to see opponents make passes from out of the key into a wide open man under the basket because the Wiz are out of position on defense.

Posted by: kalo_rama | December 30, 2009 10:25 PM | Report abuse

elfreako nothing wrong with that lineup and to be honest Flip said positions and playing time are open so lets wait and see what lineups we see this saturday before saying flip wont change. Give the man a chance to show if he is a man of his word

Posted by: rnorris6 | December 30, 2009 10:27 PM | Report abuse

I'd recommend benching Gilby too. He's the worst dude on the team with regard to not playing defense.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | December 30, 2009 10:30 PM | Report abuse

sorry larry, i am a season ticket holder who actually funds this crapola and i'll call any of the players whatever i feel like when posting here.

Posted by: divi3 | December 30, 2009 10:31 PM | Report abuse

So on this whole Blatche/Haywood thing: Which one is the second-coming of Blll Russell and which one is Hakeem Olajuwon? It's hard to keep straight.

And under the heading of gross hypocrisy: Self-righteously ripping someone for calling a player be a "demeaning" nickname while writing about a half-dozen posts daily insulting the coach on multiple levels.

Posted by: kalo_rama | December 30, 2009 10:37 PM | Report abuse

like i said i will say no more on that but everyone ridesEG about everything but there is always more to this situation than anyone knows that was done behind closed doors and I will not knock abe because he did so much for DC

Posted by: rnorris6 | December 30, 2009 10:15 PM

GM's are unlike poker players. They must always expose their hand to the owner and explain why. This helps them in making the next decision.

Abe may have made the decisions on player personnel moves for this Team, but good GM's should always have great influence.

So do you believe that Ernie is a good GM?

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | December 30, 2009 10:40 PM | Report abuse

And under the heading of gross hypocrisy: Self-righteously ripping someone for calling a player be a "demeaning" nickname while writing about a half-dozen posts daily insulting the coach on multiple levels.

Posted by: kalo_rama |

I agree completely even I am guilty of giving DC_MAN88 a hard time but he takes it in stride. But I swear Larry has an agenda against certain people and players and of course coaches and that is truly sad his wife or girl friend must not be giving him any and this is his way of getting back LMFAO

Posted by: rnorris6 | December 30, 2009 10:44 PM | Report abuse

So do you believe that Ernie is a good GM?

LarryInClintonMD

YES Larry I do EG is highly respected around the NBA

Posted by: rnorris6 | December 30, 2009 10:45 PM | Report abuse

sorry larry, i am a season ticket holder who actually funds this crapola and i'll call any of the players whatever i feel like when posting here.


Posted by: divi3 | December 30, 2009 10:31 PM

Well allright then, Divi3, when they invite all of us to the bloggers dinner at the end of the year, don't sit next to me.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | December 30, 2009 10:49 PM | Report abuse

Well allright then, Divi3, when they invite all of us to the bloggers dinner at the end of the year, don't sit next to me.

LarryInClintonMD.

HMMMMMMM Laqrry did you get your envite I never got mine and tomorrow is the end of the year lol

Posted by: rnorris6 | December 30, 2009 10:53 PM | Report abuse

Sorry about the typho got past me sorry

Posted by: rnorris6 | December 30, 2009 10:54 PM | Report abuse

agree completely even I am guilty of giving DC_MAN88 a hard time but he takes it in stride. But I swear Larry has an agenda against certain people and players and of course coaches and that is truly sad his wife or girl friend must not be giving him any and this is his way of getting back LMFAO

Posted by: rnorris6 | December 30, 2009 10:44 PM

I have no agenda against the players, but I do have an agenda against bad coaching.

And by the way, I think Ernie is a good GM also, so don't be trying to inadvertantingly push off on Abe for this fiasco we got goins' on.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | December 30, 2009 10:56 PM | Report abuse

ok Larry, deal.

Just be careful when you pass Brenda the rolls, she has problems handling spherical objects placed directly into her hands.

Posted by: divi3 | December 30, 2009 10:56 PM | Report abuse

And by the way, I think Ernie is a good GM also, so don't be trying to inadvertantingly push off on Abe for this fiasco we got goins' on.

LarryInClintonMD.

Larry I dont push off anything I talk from facts but I will not get into how i Know

Posted by: rnorris6 | December 30, 2009 10:58 PM | Report abuse

Larry I been a fan Of the bullets/wizards a very long time i was at the title game and shook abes hand when they won

Posted by: rnorris6 | December 30, 2009 11:01 PM | Report abuse

And Rnorris6,

You did not have to agree with Kalo_rama, on this one. When I agree with Kalo's posting he will not even accept the fact that I agreed with him.

He's the one with agenda's.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | December 30, 2009 11:01 PM | Report abuse

And Larry for the record I dont take anything on here seriously or with any emotion I just shoot the breeze If I was serious or upset believe me when I say you would know there would be know guessing or reading between the lines so no hard feelings and in case i am not on happy mew years to you and your family

Posted by: rnorris6 | December 30, 2009 11:07 PM | Report abuse

Divi3, LMAO.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | December 30, 2009 11:08 PM | Report abuse

New Years even LOL guess its time to buy a new keyboard this one is gone lol

Posted by: rnorris6 | December 30, 2009 11:10 PM | Report abuse

And Larry for the record I dont take anything on here seriously or with any emotion I just shoot the breeze If I was serious or upset believe me when I say you would know there would be know guessing or reading between the lines so no hard feelings and in case i am not on happy mew years to you and your family

Posted by: rnorris6 | December 30, 2009 11:07 PM

Rnorris6,

I don't think I caught your postings in the wrong way. I like good conversation and know all to well that differing opinions is not a bad thing atall. It's probably why I am a blogger here.

But some have to always be right which is an impossibility. I know there are times when I may be off point, but I am man enough to admit it.

A man who knows and knows what he knows, knows not, whereas, a man who thinks that he knows, but also knows, that he knows not, knows.

That is the logic of reasoning that is proven by mathematical fact.

There are two bloggers on here that never admit that they have ever been wrong about anything.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | December 30, 2009 11:24 PM | Report abuse

Here is a part of a new article in the post sports section go there to read the rest enjoy

Grunfeld isn't under any restrictions on making moves following the death of majority owner Abe Pollin last month. Pollin believed strongly in the trio of former all-stars Gilbert Arenas, Butler and Jamison. But as one league source put it recently, with Pollin gone, so is the driving force to keep them together -- especially with the trio just 7-13 this season and unable to recapture the magic of the past. A person with knowledge of the Wizards' thinking said that no player on the roster is untouchable.

Posted by: rnorris6 | December 30, 2009 11:25 PM | Report abuse

It is titled frustration continues to mount

Posted by: rnorris6 | December 30, 2009 11:27 PM | Report abuse

yet another reason to

blow
it
up

Posted by: thickman22 | December 30, 2009 11:34 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: rnorris6 | December 31, 2009 12:25 AM | Report abuse

The philosophy of help defense can cause you to have a porous defense. Helping your Teammate normaly comes once he has lost his man.

However, always going to help when your teammate hasn't lost his man can be fatal. The Wizards always help when help isn't really required which will always result in weak Team defense.

Good teams that I have played on always had a saying.

"Stay with your man."

"Get on your man."

This meant that on defense especially when your man crossed halfcourt you better be picking him up immediately and you stayed with him.

If any man was running around free there was a problem.

"Who's man is that?"

It only took one time for a free man to score and if whomever was responsible did not start picking him up, "whomever" would be sent to the bench.

That dosen't come from individual defensive skills. That comes from a coaching philosophy that required basic man-up defense as a standard.

If you watch the Wizards play, basic man-up defense is not a required philosophy, but always leaving your man to help when help isn't really required is.

That is why their defense is really bad. It is not because the individuals cannot play defense, it is because the Team does not know how.

That is coaching.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | December 31, 2009 8:52 AM | Report abuse

Dudes,

I don't think and am not saying Haywood is by any means a great Center.

I would rather have most of the Centers alot of you have listed. However, Haywood is not paid nearly the amount of money those guys make. Haywood is a bargain at his current contract.

Haywood has drastically improved each of the last 3 years (not counting last since he was injured) and has become a solid Center for this team.

My only point in all of this is that THIS team would be far worse off without Haywood as it's starting Center.

Ultimately, we are going back and forth because the team SUCKS and are losing. And I'm telling all of you it is less Haywoods fault than it is Arenas/Jamison and the other 2 starters as well as the coach. I put most of the blame where it belongs and that's with the player who is the franchise, and who the franchise pays the most.

Either way this sure is fun. I too take none of this personally. I'm bored in my office and I am very entertained by the foolishness some of you think is the issue with this team....But seriously some of you haven't a clue. Perimeter defense is what's killing this team. I don't care who the Center is. If he played with the other 4 starters, you would see much the same result on the defensive end because Shaq or whomever would be fouled out mid-way through the 2nd quarter if he had to defend the rim everytime a guard went by Arenas, or a forward past Jamison for that matter..

Posted by: kevenjones | December 31, 2009 10:59 AM | Report abuse

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/12/30/AR2009123002604.html

Added Jamison: "Something has to change. Either I'm going to go crazy or -- I'm not saying we need to do anything drastic. But we have to change because it's not the coaches. It's not them putting this group together. It's the guys who are in this locker room. The trust that we have in one another. The confidence we have. The energy that we bring. That's what I'm saying when something got to change. Why hasn't it changed? I have no idea. If I knew the question then believe me I would answer it and I would try to find a way to fix it."

Posted by: kalo_rama | December 31, 2009 11:21 AM | Report abuse

"Added Jamison: "Something has to change. Either I'm going to go crazy or -- I'm not saying we need to do anything drastic. But we have to change because it's not the coaches. It's not them putting this group together. It's the guys who are in this locker room. The trust that we have in one another. The confidence we have. The energy that we bring. That's what I'm saying when something got to change. Why hasn't it changed? I have no idea. If I knew the question then believe me I would answer it and I would try to find a way to fix it.""

Hey dude, go look in the mirror.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | December 31, 2009 1:01 PM | Report abuse

TRADE ZERO NOW...


http://www.news8.net/news/stories/0110/692040.html

EW YORK - Washington Wizards teammates Gilbert Arenas and Javaris Crittenton drew guns on each other during a Christmas Eve locker room argument over a gambling debt, according to The New York Post.

Citing an anonymous source, the newspaper reports in Friday's edition that the standoff was sparked when Crittenton became angry at Arenas for refusing to make good on a gambling debt. That prompted Arenas to draw on Crittenton, who then also grabbed for a gun, league security sources tell the Post.

Asked by the Post about the confrontation, Arenas denied pulling a gun on Crittenton.

"This is unprecedented in the history of sports," Billy Hunter, executive director of the Player's Association, tells the Post. "I've never heard of players pulling guns on each other in a locker room."

The Wizards said on the night of Dec. 24 that Arenas had stored unloaded firearms in a container in his locker at the arena and that the NBA was looking into the situation. On Tuesday, Washington, D.C. police said they were investigating a report that weapons were found inside a locker room at the Verizon Center.

Now, the federal government is also involved. Ben Friedman, a spokesman for the US Attorney's Office in DC, tells the Post "we're working with the Metropolitan Police Department (web | news) on the investigation."

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