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Barkley, C-Webb kill the Wizards

On the night the Wizards made their lone TNT appearance this season, Charles Barkley and Chris Webber let their feelings about the team be known during "Inside the NBA." Webber's last point was in reference to Washington not grabbing a rebound the entire second quarter.

Barkley: "Sometimes people don't watch our show because I've been saying for three years that the Wizards stink. Was it Charles Barkley or Einstein that said if you keep doing the same thing over and over that's insanity. They have no team leader, they have no style, they already got a good coach, Eddie Jordan, fired and Flip Saunders hopped on the Titanic halfway down. It's embarrassing."

Webber: "[The Wizards] made a commitment to Gilbert Arenas two years ago and that puts them in this position of who do you trade?"

Barkley: "Jon and Kate made a commitment. How did that work out?"

Webber: "It worked out like this is working out. That just shows you that forget the talent because anyone in the league can get a rebound in a quarter. That just shows that the effort and the talent isn't there."

By Ed Guzman  |  December 11, 2009; 1:44 PM ET
 | Tags: Washington Wizards; NBA; Gilbert Arenas; Charles Barkley; Chris Webber; Inside the NBA  
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I ain't mad at Chris or Charles. If the shoe fits, wear it!

Besides, the best way to get back at them is to show up on the court and that has not been happening. What can you say? I am still a diehard Wiz fan but they do stink right about now.

Posted by: ivyleague | December 11, 2009 3:00 PM | Report abuse

Telling it like it is! That second quarter was just "Turrible! Just Turrible!" as Sir Charles likes to say.

Posted by: JohnWWW | December 11, 2009 3:03 PM | Report abuse

When you don't win or when you lose in the manner the Wizards have, you leave yourself open to criticism. They didn't say anything some of us haven't already said about the team this season.

Posted by: tgif11 | December 11, 2009 3:12 PM | Report abuse

You gotta love those guys -- you can hear the axes grinding. Poor Gilbert -- first Shaq disrespects him with his girl, and then these two clowns climb on the Disrespect Express...

Posted by: Samson151 | December 11, 2009 3:13 PM | Report abuse

gil has definitely lost his clutch"ness". but i know someone else counted to 6 and a half on that boston inbound at the end of the game. they get all the calls and that is what makes a difference in a game that close.

Posted by: follybeach | December 11, 2009 3:16 PM | Report abuse

And Barkely and Webber are qualified for winning exactly how many championships in their careers? The same Charles BArkely that picked the Spurs to win it all last year. The guy is entertaining but his knowledge of what it takes to assemble a championship team is just as hilarious. Webber? Please...

Posted by: ptp23 | December 11, 2009 3:21 PM | Report abuse

I am going to say this, so book it. The next few games are teams that are as bad if not worse, than we are. If we do not win those games, look for some immediate changes to this team. Don't think Leonsis and crew aren't paying attention. Losing teams equal lost revenue and someone's head is going to roll. I hope they can turn this ship around and soon before it gets to close to the cliff. I still believe that we have the talent, my question is, do we have the 3 C's they love to spout, COURAGE,COMMITMENT AND CHARACTER. Let's go Wiz!

Posted by: ivyleague | December 11, 2009 3:25 PM | Report abuse

Barkley is great, but his logic here was flawed. The last three years were '07, '08, and '09. The '08 and '09 teams did not have the Wizards' best player, Gilbert Arenas, all season long. The '07 team did not have Arenas or Butler for the end of the season and the playoffs. This is a very different team.

It certainly remains to be seen whether this year's team can succeed, and I admit the early returns are weak. But I remain hopeful, based in part on Arenas's excellent game last night.

Posted by: Dellis2 | December 11, 2009 3:31 PM | Report abuse

ptp23,
By your logic none of the wizards should be saying anything about the game( or rather NBA hoopin) either, since no one on the team or coaching staff has won a championship on any level, maybe HS. Chuck is a HOF'er and CWebb was one of the first "Next Generation" Big men. I'd be overjoyed to have either of those guys in their prime over AJ. Also being that both palyers were stiff armed at the brink of championships or championship berths, i would say they could be the foremost authorities on what a championship no-contender looks like. I kid, I kid. But seriously, are u saying that Chuck and Webb don't know basketball.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | December 11, 2009 3:36 PM | Report abuse

And Barkely and Webber are qualified for winning exactly how many championships in their careers? The same Charles BArkely that picked the Spurs to win it all last year. The guy is entertaining but his knowledge of what it takes to assemble a championship team is just as hilarious. Webber? Please...

If Mark Madsen or Adam Morrison had said it, would it have the ring of truth?

Posted by: tgif11 | December 11, 2009 3:36 PM | Report abuse

Dellis,

I don't know if the logic is flawed or he meant to say he's been wanting to blow up the wiz for 5 yrs or something, but he makes sense either way. his wanting to blow it up isn't based solely on CB or Ga or AJ and their performances, he doesn't think this team as constructed can win a championship and therfore should be blown up. If injuries prevented the team from being together, that doesn't excuse them not winning during a given season. you can't get that time back so if they don't win what do you do? i think Chuck would question the logic of the Wiz front office. the only way the wiz can answer is to go deep into the playoffs or win it all with this roster, otherwise how can chuck be wrong? the wiz haven't won anything in the last 3+ years.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | December 11, 2009 3:44 PM | Report abuse

And Barkely and Webber are qualified for winning exactly how many championships in their careers? The same Charles BArkely that picked the Spurs to win it all last year. The guy is entertaining but his knowledge of what it takes to assemble a championship team is just as hilarious. Webber? Please...

If Mark Madsen or Adam Morrison had said it, would it have the ring of truth?


Posted by: tgif11 | December 11, 2009 3:36 PM | Report abuse

you gotta be like " Now shut yo mouth" after you get'em like that

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | December 11, 2009 3:51 PM | Report abuse

Someone on this team has to step up and take the leadership role. This is a rudderless ship. Sometimes it goes in the right direction but when things get ruff it just flounders.
Gilbert said before he doesn't want to be captain. AJ is too mild, Caron ----nah, Brendan's the only one left and I don't think he has it in him. Maybe get Sam C. back in uniform.
This is a talented group. Yeah they lost to a very good team last night but we've seen how they play to the level of the competition. That's not a bad thing if you win but -------.

Posted by: VBFan | December 11, 2009 4:03 PM | Report abuse

Barkley never liked the Wizards but the truth hurts. We suck!

Posted by: thecomedian1 | December 11, 2009 4:05 PM | Report abuse

Best way to shut Barkley up is to win!!
Webber was probably still fired up about their earlier discussion on whether he believed the 2002 Conf. Final Sac-LAL series was altered by officiating in light of Tim Donaghy's assertions. You can tell that it still hurts after all these years.

Posted by: and_1 | December 11, 2009 4:19 PM | Report abuse

That TNT group sucks, except for Ernie, when he can get a word in edgewise. But the announcers are far superior to our home crew, Buck and Phil, and it's a more entertaining telecast.

It bothers me that Gilbert is missing the big shots, though. We have a team that hasn't learned to win together and that's not good. If we're relying on Boykins to make the right decisions in the fourth quarter it's an admission that the Big 3 don't come up big when it counts.

I agree that the next few games a critical, including the upcoming road swing that includes the worst of the West. We need to win most of those games.

Maybe we do need to get this team away from the distractions of home, especially Gilbert. At some point, though, these guys are going to have to step up and give the fans the all-out effort we deserve.

Posted by: zinger1 | December 11, 2009 4:20 PM | Report abuse

how bout the head coach, can he be a leader?

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | December 11, 2009 4:21 PM | Report abuse

how bout the head coach, can he be a leader?

Not in the NBA.

Unless the coach has 4 or 5 championship rings to wave around. Even then if the players don't want to be led, they won't.

NDA - National Divas Association.

Posted by: SteveMG | December 11, 2009 4:26 PM | Report abuse

Everyone just relax. This is still a team learning itself, and it's a team that looked better than it did a month ago (although I will admit, I didn't get to see the second quarter). The improvement will continue. Are we as good as the league's elite? Of course not. But this will be a team that NO contender wants to face come season's end/playoff time -- mark my words. Patience people. It's only December.

Posted by: psps23 | December 11, 2009 4:36 PM | Report abuse

That TNT group sucks, except for Ernie, when he can get a word in edgewise. But the announcers are far superior to our home crew, Buck and Phil, and it's a more entertaining telecast.

I enjoy Buck and Phil. They know the team better than the national guys.

Posted by: thecomedian1 | December 11, 2009 4:38 PM | Report abuse

That TNT group sucks, except for Ernie, when he can get a word in edgewise. But the announcers are far superior to our home crew, Buck and Phil, and it's a more entertaining telecast.

I enjoy Buck and Phil. They know the team better than the national guys.

Posted by: thecomedian1 | December 11, 2009 4:38 PM | Report abuse

thecomedian1 - I agree and disagree. The TNT crew does suck except for Phil Collins and Kenny Smith. Barkley hates the Wiz because of what Abe did to his boy Mikey. Webber dislikes them because of the way Unseld shipped him off to Sac Town. Both have personal reasons why they do not like them.

Disagree with enjoying Buck and Phil. You can not learn anything about the team because both of them are such "homers". Buck (nice guy) tells the same stories over and over again which gets on my last nerves. Phil seems like he wants to say more, but does not for whatever reason. The best person to watch call a game for the Wiz is Hubie Brown. Hands down...!!!

Hubie lets you know what the team should be doing on offense and defense and where they are messing up. He even tells you from a "coach's" viewpoint each players strenghs and negatives.

*** By the way, Hubie said give the Wiz until after the all star break and you should start to see them gel completely. Gil is clearly not the dude he was before the knee injury, so he is going to need some time to get his game back.

As for Caron (a fan), I do not know what his deal is anymore? I never know when he is in the game or not? He has completely disappeared when he is in there. I could never say that before.

Posted by: BulletsFever | December 11, 2009 4:54 PM | Report abuse

There has been a lot of talk about leadership or the lack thereof. Leadership is manifested in many ways, verbally and nonverbally. What exactly is Charles, or anyone on here who thinks that leadership is missing, referring to? Suppose the wizards could trade for or hire a leader, what would that leader do to solve the problems of this team. Is Flip not a leader? He doesn't command enough respect to demand excellence? It's nice to throw the word leadership around like you can go buy it at the store, but until someone explains to me what leadship means, then I'll continue to believe that this team has a roster of poorly assembled, average to slightly above average players that are not capable of being a quasi-elite team

Posted by: ZardsFan1 | December 11, 2009 4:56 PM | Report abuse

"When you don't win or when you lose in the manner the Wizards have, you leave yourself open to criticism. They didn't say anything some of us haven't already said about the team this season.Posted by: tgif11"

So are you saying we're as dumb and self-centered as those two guys?

I rezent the allegation, and I rezent the alligator...+

Posted by: Samson151 | December 11, 2009 4:56 PM | Report abuse

"It's nice to throw the word leadership around like you can go buy it at the store, but until someone explains to me what leadship means,"

leadership: what Barkley and Webber don't have.

Just kidding, I'm sure either would make a fine governor of Alaska.

Posted by: Samson151 | December 11, 2009 4:58 PM | Report abuse

Ain't no way this team wins a championship as constructed. And it's only going to get harder when we lose our only legit center - BTH - in the off-season. Can someone please do what we should have done last year and start moving pieces to build towards a team with a chance?

If you don't grab rebounds, don't play defense, and live and die by the jump shot, you aren't winning any NBA championships. Anyone who thinks we are playing better defense this year needs to look at what Rondo did in the last minute of last night's game and ask themselves if our "better defense" is really all that good.

Posted by: Ootek | December 11, 2009 4:58 PM | Report abuse

ptp23,
By your logic none of the wizards should be saying anything about the game( or rather NBA hoopin) either, since no one on the team or coaching staff has won a championship on any level, maybe HS. Chuck is a HOF'er and CWebb was one of the first "Next Generation" Big men. I'd be overjoyed to have either of those guys in their prime over AJ. Also being that both palyers were stiff armed at the brink of championships or championship berths, i would say they could be the foremost authorities on what a championship no-contender looks like. I kid, I kid. But seriously, are u saying that Chuck and Webb don't know basketball.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | December 11, 2009 3:36 PM | Report abuse

My point is Barkely is an entertainer and I love the crazy things he says. He was a heck of a player, especially for his size. The Wizards are bad but heck if I am going to really be concerned on anything that comes out of his mouth about how to make a team better. Webber-loved the Fab Five-that's about it. NBA career...not so much.

Posted by: ptp23 | December 11, 2009 4:59 PM | Report abuse

Ok, everything they said was the absolute truth and some on here have the audacity to attack them personally and their award winning show.
Why can't you instead concentrate on what causes the Wiz to be so terrible?

Posted by: Utilityman1 | December 11, 2009 5:02 PM | Report abuse

I'm not sure how you could watch that game last night and say they played well. They sucked, and the only reason why they got back into the game was because Boston let 'em off the hook. This is a game about emotion and effort, the wiz rarely exhibit either quality. Boston literally scored on nearly every possession in the 2nd quarter. There was no chance that the wiz could have won that game because when it mattered Boston always found the mismatch or the open man

Posted by: ZardsFan1 | December 11, 2009 5:03 PM | Report abuse

TNT crew is a bunch of bandwagon LeBron and Kobe worshipers. What insight do they provide by constantly reminding us every week that LeBron, Kobe and DWade are the best players...really?

Posted by: ptp23 | December 11, 2009 5:08 PM | Report abuse

And Barkely and Webber are qualified for winning exactly how many championships in their careers? The same Charles BArkely that picked the Spurs to win it all last year. The guy is entertaining but his knowledge of what it takes to assemble a championship team is just as hilarious. Webber? Please...

If Mark Madsen or Adam Morrison had said it, would it have the ring of truth?

Posted by: tgif11 | December 11, 2009 3:36 PM | Report abuse

Last I checked, they weren't being paid as NBA Analysts.

Posted by: ptp23 | December 11, 2009 5:15 PM | Report abuse

Last I checked, they weren't being paid as NBA Analysts.

Posted by: ptp23 | December 11, 2009 5:15 PM | Report abuse

terrible comeback

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | December 11, 2009 5:31 PM | Report abuse

Barkley used to be halfway amusing at least, but his act really wearing thin. I don't really care what he says about the Wizards or any other team (basically, he thinks they all stink, except for the top two or three). But that incoherent, slobbery rant about his love and sympathy for Tiger Woods and hatred for reporters was really painful to listen to. He's only pissed off at the media because he got busted for DUI while trying to pick up a prostitute and they wrote about it.
And when a gambling addict (by his own admission, he's lost $10 million since his retirement) comments about gambling and the NBA, it's just stoo-pid.

Posted by: pjkiger1 | December 11, 2009 5:35 PM | Report abuse

Last I checked, they weren't being paid as NBA Analysts.

C'mon, ptp23. You implied a championship gives one credibility. Madsen and Morrison both have championships. Now you're implying that getting paid as an analyst gives one credibility, and Barkley and Webber both get paid as NBA analysts.
Is neither duo qualified to assess the lot of the Wizards?

Posted by: tgif11 | December 11, 2009 5:54 PM | Report abuse

Who'd of thunk it, C Barkley and A Einstein mentioned in the same breath. Of course it was the hot, hectoring breath of Sir Charles and he did blow the qoute, "The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results." Which doesn't apply to the Wizards but never the less, score one for the one time 'Round Mound of Rebound.' By the way, who did A Einstein play for?

Posted by: midlevex | December 11, 2009 5:56 PM | Report abuse

C'mon. As if Webber and Barkley don't have an axe to grind with the team. They spout nonsense after watching one game the team has played this season. Did they give them any credit after the second half? No. Hell, Barkley would dis GA when he was a top 5/6 player in the league in his Hibatchi prime.

Bulletsfan is absolutely correct. If you want to hear an unbiased intelligent assessment of this club listen to Hubie Brown. He talks about the club after having watched virtually every game they played this season and was right on with every thing he said. I am with HB when he said you have to give this team til the end of December/early January. And he repeatedly said "the talent is there."

Posted by: rphilli721 | December 11, 2009 6:08 PM | Report abuse

Last I checked, they weren't being paid as NBA Analysts.

C'mon, ptp23. You implied a championship gives one credibility. Madsen and Morrison both have championships. Now you're implying that getting paid as an analyst gives one credibility, and Barkley and Webber both get paid as NBA analysts.
Is neither duo qualified to assess the lot of the Wizards?

Posted by: tgif11 | December 11, 2009 5:54 PM | Report abuse

Everyone is entitled to their opinion. It's up to you to decide how much weight that opinion has. Barkley and Webber are not two that hold much weight on how to fix the Wizards.....in my opinion.

Posted by: ptp23 | December 11, 2009 6:10 PM | Report abuse

@tgiff,

The question shouldn't be whether they are qualified to comment on the Wiz or whether they are paid to be analysts. The question should be are they giving unbiased opinions and the answer is no. MJ and EJ are two of Barkley's "boys" and we know how those situations turned out. Do we need to even discuss Webber in that regard? I hope not. By the way, I wonder how Barkley feels about pushing for EJ to get the job in Philly now?? lol

Posted by: rphilli721 | December 11, 2009 6:13 PM | Report abuse

Last I checked, they weren't being paid as NBA Analysts.

Posted by: ptp23 | December 11, 2009 5:15 PM | Report abuse

terrible comeback

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | December 11, 2009 5:31 PM | Report abuse

sorry..didn't know you held Barkely and Webber in such high regard

Posted by: ptp23 | December 11, 2009 6:18 PM | Report abuse

Its funny that 2 guys notorius for being stars but horrible leaders who have never won anything in life are saying this

Posted by: dlts20 | December 11, 2009 6:26 PM | Report abuse

The question shouldn't be whether they are qualified to comment on the Wiz or whether they are paid to be analysts. The question should be are they giving unbiased opinions and the answer is no. MJ and EJ are two of Barkley's "boys" and we know how those situations turned out. Do we need to even discuss Webber in that regard? I hope not. By the way, I wonder how Barkley feels about pushing for EJ to get the job in Philly now?? lol

With friends like Barkley, who need enemies?!
Barkley said he's been saying for three years that the Wizards stink which would include the EJ years, so friendship apparently only goes so far with Barkley.
This isn't the first game or year that the leadership/talent has been questioned on this team.

Posted by: tgif11 | December 11, 2009 6:32 PM | Report abuse

Gil is 20 games back from a 2 year layoff and he has still won as many rings as both of those guys.

Posted by: DAVIDPRITCHIE | December 11, 2009 6:42 PM | Report abuse

Its funny that 2 guys notorius for being stars but horrible leaders who have never won anything in life are saying this

Barkley won two gold medals and led his team to the NBA Finals and Webber in college led his teams to NCAA championship appearances and led the Kings to the Western Conference Finals.
Why are these accomplishments minimized when they are far from the norm?
Or is winning a championship the only way to validate one's leadership?

Posted by: tgif11 | December 11, 2009 6:45 PM | Report abuse

Mike Lee...you should be paying me to report all this stuff for you before you print it.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | December 11, 2009 6:48 PM | Report abuse

Gil is 20 games back from a 2 year layoff and he has still won as many rings as both of those guys.

Unless he gets traded to another team, he'll finish his career with the same number of rings as them. Sadly.

Posted by: tgif11 | December 11, 2009 6:48 PM | Report abuse

Anyone who knows the game of basketball understands this team (constructed as it is) can make the playoffs, but will never win a championship.

That was good enough for the last owner; the only thing Wizards fans can hope for is that the new owner has a higher degree of expectations from its players, coach and GM.

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | December 11, 2009 7:05 PM | Report abuse

Ernie Grunfeld mentioned that the Wizards haven't had "a full deck" this season...

Come on Ernie face the facts, the team that "YOU" built isn't very good, but you can hide behind injuries all you want.

Hopefully the new owner won't be so loyal that he is willing to ignore incompetence.

The players who are too lazy to play “D” just care about getting their 14 and 7 and the players who play “D” can’t score if they had too?

Name one draft pick Ernie has made that is a real starter in this league?

People it starts at the top and the players who play for this organization understand there is not accountability for your actions all you have to do is show up and collect a paycheck.


Posted by: bulletsfan78 | December 11, 2009 7:06 PM | Report abuse

Michael Lee, David Aldridge said that Haywood turned down an extension for $32-33 mil. Was that over 4 yrs? There's no way Haywood is worth 8 mil/yr.

Posted by: djnnnou | December 11, 2009 7:50 PM | Report abuse

Michael Lee, David Aldridge said that Haywood turned down an extension for $32-33 mil. Was that over 4 yrs? There's no way Haywood is worth 8 mil/yr.

Posted by: djnnnou | December 11, 2009 7:50 PM | Report abuse

If Gil is making $19 mil/year, then 50% of the league should be making as much as he makes.

Posted by: Utilityman1 | December 11, 2009 8:10 PM | Report abuse

WRT Brendan,
I wouldn't be at all surprised to see some team offer Brendan $35-40 mil next summer. I also wouldn't be surprised to see him accept slightly less than whatever the Wizards offer him to go somewhere else.
Ironically, I think he's a good fit for Oklahoma (of course, only if they don't re-sign Etan).

Posted by: and_1 | December 11, 2009 8:42 PM | Report abuse

Leadership. What is it? Where can the Wizzies get some?

D. Wade, P Pierce, K Garnett, Kobe & yeah i gotta admit that Labran has it.
I think Gil used to have it back before the 1st Knee Operation.
What ever it is it makes the other players want to play better for the "leader".
Since the Wizzies don't have a leader everyone just plays for themselves. Hence the current record.

Posted by: VBFan | December 11, 2009 8:47 PM | Report abuse

Once again...GA is terrible...no lift, too passive and disinterested..
He remains the main liability on defense although he has many coconspirators.
He has no lateral foot speed, and just keeps backing up rather than in your face challenging.
AJ who has to be hurting, also has no lateral defensive movement and is way too passive as well.
CB overplays for steals, but is just too small to play manomano...and is consistently overmatched.
BH has no foot speed period, and though his energy is up, does take too many plays off and disappears.
So the Wiz D consists of hoping for misses, which by the law of averages does happen, unless they play teams with athletic and fast guards, which leads to layup drills.
So this team is hopeless defensively until a coach says, no D no play. Let me know when that coach shows up.
And please no more EJ protectors and defenders. He is showing what magic he is capable of with the 6'ERS. A playoff team the last 2 years, athletic and skilled, and riding an unimpressive 10 game loss skeign.
But the Wiz are hopeless as presently constituted. You can wait another 5/10/150 games and it is not going to get better.
I have tickets and hope they go young until they can get more young and athletic.

Posted by: mricklen | December 11, 2009 8:50 PM | Report abuse

I'm watching the Hawks dismantle the Raptors in Toronto leading by 19 in the 3rd qtr,now would any one of you who post on the blog say that Mike Woodson is a better coach than either EJ or Flip? i would say no so what is the difference.Example #1 Josh Smith was at odds with Coach Woodson so much so that there was talk that Woodson was going to be shown the door enter Rick Sund(new gm) who told Josh Smith that Woodson was the coach and that's that and if he didn't like it he would help him seek employment elsewhere even though Sund admitted that Smith had unlimited potential, problem solved and Josh Smith has been playing lights out ever since.Example#2 Sund let all the players on board know with that move(standing behind the coach)that the buck stops with the coach.Example#3 Rick Sund went out and got Woodson help in the form of Jamal Crawford and Joe Smith(fmr.Md.star); last year he got Flip Murray and Mo Evans although Flip is now in Charlotte(i think), so you see When EJ was here he was constantly trying to get Haywood and Blatche his two biggest critics to play up to their potential when Gil went down EJ made due with the players he had(no thanks to you Ernie) and still got them to the playoffs, a lot of you who post on this site are sick of me and my EJ rants and i don't blame you but as most of you have to admit if EG had stood behind EJ in his dealings with Blatche and Haywood and gotten Jordan the same help he has obtained for Flip this team would be winning right now but EG allowed stupidity and immaturity to overule common sense so he fired EJ and what has gone right since, not one damn thing.

Posted by: dargregmag | December 11, 2009 9:11 PM | Report abuse

The truth hurts. Webber and Barkley are just telling it like it is. Compared to the Wiz, most of the other teams are more athletic, bigger, tougher, smarter, more versatile, shoot better, pass better, and play better defense.

Gee, I wonder why the Wizards' record is what it is.

Posted by: shovetheplanet | December 11, 2009 9:17 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: and_1 | December 11, 2009 9:20 PM | Report abuse

well lets see what some of you cats start saying when we do this after another 20 games. I bet all the chorus changes

Posted by: dlts20 | December 11, 2009 9:54 PM | Report abuse

whoah, it's all fun and games until someone rips on buck and phil. luckily for me i never watch the idiocy of tnt. ill take buck and phil any night instead. it's a sad state of affairs when the "homers" are more fair and truthful in their analysis.

love the wizards but getting fed up with the nba and its officials. too much depends on overall team and "superstar" favoritism from the refs.

Posted by: PindarPushkin | December 11, 2009 10:07 PM | Report abuse

I am not saying this team is without fault. I am just saying consider the source when the team is getting totally trashed on national TV.

Barkley was an ok leader.

But, Webber? Please. He would drop blame on Peja in two seconds in the playoffs when his team lost. He also had all the victories at Michigan taken away I do believe for NCAA violations. He was a gifted loser when he played and still is.

By the way, I like the TNT show. I think it's entertaining. But, I listened during one 2/3 minute stretch and Webber and Barkley never completed one sentence when speaking. I thought I was listening to gibberish!

Posted by: rphilli721 | December 11, 2009 11:07 PM | Report abuse

"most of you have to admit if EG had stood behind EJ in his dealings with Blatche and Haywood and gotten Jordan the same help he has obtained for Flip this team would be winning right now but EG allowed stupidity and immaturity to overule common sense so he fired EJ and what has gone right since, not one damn thing."

I said all along that a big part of the problem with this team's attitude during the Jordan years was a trickle down from the forced, unhappy marriage of Jordan and Grunfeld. Grunfeld didn't choose Jordan as the coach and the two weren't ever on the same page as to how the team should operate. Both wanted the other gone and it created obvious tension (Tom Thibadeau saw and got the hell out of town because of it).

When mommy and daddy don't get along, the kids are gonna act out.

All that being said, however, there's no question that Mike Woodson is a good coach. Whether he's better than this guy or that guy is a matter of opinion, but he spent the better part of his entire tenure in Atlanta on the hot seat and he never showed any signs of cracking under the pressure. He's molded a team full of young mercurial talent into a still young veteran unit by getting all his guys on the same page. Sure he got support from management, but that's how it's supposed to work. The job on the court was all hium and he's done it well.

Posted by: kalo_rama | December 11, 2009 11:21 PM | Report abuse

Despite the biases of Barkley and Weber the Atlanta crew is just speaking the truth and we are so mesmerized by our local home broadcasters that we think they are hatin on us. The reality is that they bring to us the perspective of the many non-Wizard NBA fans. To say they need rings to give these opinions is ridiculous.

Other than the quality of the audio the TNT and ESPN broadcasts far out do Comcast. Buck and Phil tell good stories and read stats endlessly from the media guides. They give very little strategic analysis of the game. I'm sure Phil can, but I guess they think most fans don't care about that. They obviously think that those of us who do are in the minority. I do and I think most of us who care enough to analyze the team on this board do also.

Hubie Brown is easily the best as was mentioned earlier. He explains the significance of numbers, he has a few good stories and most of all he explains what you are seeing by giving insights into the subtleties of the game. I always enjoy watching him just to learn about the game. It is clear he has seen many of the NBA games, not just the national ones. So he understands the roles and expectations that coaches have for the players. and most of all in his unique way communicates them to the audience. In my humble opinion, he is the best.

It is very sad that both networks promote the stars but that is unfortunately what Stern and the New York league headquarters pays them to do.


BmoreRev

Posted by: stanlong23 | December 11, 2009 11:56 PM | Report abuse

Here are some stats for fun.

A dude who has:

Averaged .510 FG for the past 6 seasons
Averaged .451 in 3 pts FG past 6 seasons
Averaged .917 in FT the past 6 seasons

17.2 pts and 10.9 assists while average 77 games over that same time period.

Yes, that be Steve Nash.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/stats?playerId=592

And to think that if Les BouleS could have held on to that 11th pick in 1996, they could have drafted Nash or Kobe.

What did Les BouleS do with that pick?

They traded it to Cleveland for Mark Price.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1996_NBA_Draft

http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1P2-854250.html

Da Da Da Da Da DAAAAGGGGGERRRR!!!!

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | December 12, 2009 12:28 AM | Report abuse

It's amazing people keep trying to defend the Wiz poor management. I've been a Bullets/Wiz fan since Bmore days and have seen the good with the bad. I've watched Hayes and Chenier take this team to greatness and he Unseld managemen regime ruin the team. I've seen Abe pick players for friends (Unseld and Jamison) instead of be the owner of the team. Now we have Ernie screwing this team up. Charles and C. Webb are absolutely currect in what they are saying. We need new ownership. It's amazing 2 teams Wiz and Skins)in the same area have bad ownership.

Posted by: rnbrown4 | December 12, 2009 8:02 AM | Report abuse

One word - C-H-E-M-I-S-T-R-Y. Wiz don't have it. Anyone with DirecTV watch a Houston Rockets game. They have a bunch of blue collar guys who play together.
Maybe the Wiz need another 10-20 games together to get it going.

Posted by: paulmart1128 | December 12, 2009 8:44 AM | Report abuse

I love watching Sir Charles, but his basketball iq really isnt there when it comes to the whole league. Do you think he's actually watched 6 wizards games in the past 3 years? Of course not.

he's correct we suck nutz tho!

Posted by: divi3 | December 12, 2009 9:37 AM | Report abuse

and let's say Gil hits some FTs and we pull off a 1pt win Thursday. What is everyone syaing now? That was the turning point etc etc?

But even if we had barely won that game instead of barely lost- we'd be the exact same team that didnt grab a single frickin rebound in the 2nd q.

I love how Haywood makes sure to say a few "slipped through his hands" but that not getting a single rebound is "on everyone, the whole team"

excuse me if I put it more on you BTH, than lil'earl

Posted by: divi3 | December 12, 2009 9:40 AM | Report abuse

Barkley has a bone to pick with Les BouleS because of how Abe kicked MJ to the curb.

Besides all that, what Barkley said is absolutely true.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | December 12, 2009 9:48 AM | Report abuse

Indiana has lost 8 of their last 10 games.

The reason is because Danny Grainger has been out.

Yes, that same Danny Grainger that torches Les BouleS every time and whom Caron is jealous of.

Given that, there is absolutely no reason for Les BouleS to lose tonight, with Grainger out.

The only caveats are that both Troy Murphy and Jeff Foster are on the team, and they traditionally kill Les BouleS too...but then again, who doesn't?

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | December 12, 2009 9:51 AM | Report abuse

they traditionally kill Les BouleS too...but then again, who doesn't?

Posted by: |DC_MAN88 December 12, 2009 9:51 AM | Report abuse

DC_MAN88

Kal could score 20 against the Wizards if he had Gil, AJ, CB and/or NY guarding him.

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | December 12, 2009 10:29 AM | Report abuse

FIRE EG

Posted by: prescrunk | December 12, 2009 11:50 AM | Report abuse

"if EG had stood behind EJ in his dealings with Blatche and Haywood and gotten Jordan the same help he has obtained for Flip this team would be winning right now but EG allowed stupidity and immaturity to overule common sense so he fired EJ and what has gone right since, not one damn thing."

If EG EG had stood behind EJ in his dealings with Haywood, Haywood would have been gone prior to '07-'08. By the end of '06-'-07, EJ wanted Hawyood gone, and Haywood wanted to be out. In fact, EJ's visit to Hawyood during that off-season, by all account, was prompted by EG.

And what has EJ dones sine? Taking a last year playoff team to the current standing which is worse than the Wizards!? I simply do not think this kind of reasoning is fair (to either EJ or Saunder)!

Posted by: sagaliba | December 12, 2009 11:54 AM | Report abuse

calling eddie jordan a good coach is laughable, how are the sixers doing right about now...surely the 5-18 record will cement eddie as a coaching legend

Posted by: bford1kb | December 12, 2009 12:15 PM | Report abuse

And to think that if Les BouleS could have held on to that 11th pick in 1996, they could have drafted Nash or Kobe.

What did Les BouleS do with that pick?

They traded it to Cleveland for Mark Price.

What does that have to do with anything almost 14 years later?

Posted by: SDMDTSU | December 12, 2009 12:31 PM | Report abuse

Eddie's a good-but-not-great coach. Why all the angst over his departure?

Posted by: and_1 | December 12, 2009 12:33 PM | Report abuse

"What does that have to do with anything almost 14 years later?

Posted by: SDMDTSU | December 12, 2009 12:31 PM | Report abuse "

14 years later for you is groundhog day for Les BouleS.

My comment about Nash stemmed from watching him play last night as they defeated the Magic.

20 pts, 18 assists, and 7 rebs in that game for him.

http://scores.espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=291211021

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | December 12, 2009 12:52 PM | Report abuse

Nash was so great the Suns got rid of him after his 2nd year when he was averaging single digit point and assists. The same people saying "if only we drafted Nash" would have been lambasting the team for the "wasted" pick had we actually drafted him.

Posted by: divi3 | December 12, 2009 1:06 PM | Report abuse

should try and trade caron for amere even though we relly dont need him but he would be the best overall value for caron or maybe turkolou i dont know this seasons really starting to suck

Posted by: realniggas301 | December 12, 2009 1:32 PM | Report abuse


The Suns are presently 16-7. Why would they revisit a Caron/Antawn trade for Amare? Part of the lure this summer was the No. 5 pick and that's gone.

Posted by: tgif11 | December 12, 2009 2:00 PM | Report abuse

So, los tres grande scored 55 between them. And we lost by 2.

If they had scored the 60 they need, we would have won by 3.

Its that simple. This team was built to win games when they score 30 between them. until they can do that - either 20/20/20 or 45/10/8 (I know that is 63) they will continue to lose.

If this season gets much deeper and they aren't consistently getting that 60/game, then their time together has to be over and we have to redo the team.

I am still hopeful they will make it click soon - consider they have lost these last 3 game by a total of 8 pts - but not as certain as I was.

I am hoping for big game tonight, but I won't be watching it. Gil = 45 tonight? AJ gets 33/14? caron gets more steals than tos?

Anything can happen.

Posted by: Blurred | December 12, 2009 2:12 PM | Report abuse

Caron stinks right now. Maybe it's time to let someone else try and contribute to that 60pts on a nightly basis.

Posted by: divi3 | December 12, 2009 2:36 PM | Report abuse

How about the "Big 2.5"?
Gil, Antawn and Blatche.

Posted by: tgif11 | December 12, 2009 2:56 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: djnnnou | December 12, 2009 2:59 PM | Report abuse

If you read the Mike Wise article, apparently BH and CB do not talk to each other. It is becoming more obvious to me that: a) some form of dissension is the root cause of our poor performance thus far b) Butler may be at the root of it and, therefore, needs to be traded - not should be.

I base this on comments by Arenas, AJ, BH and now this little doozy in the Wise article. Wise alluded that Butler feels like he should get an extension for being the alpha-dog on a 19 win team or carrying the team through lean times. What a joke! I can't stand CB anymore. He is playing like he is pouting. Weak! Tuff Juice my azz!

Posted by: rphilli721 | December 12, 2009 3:27 PM | Report abuse

If you read the Mike Wise article, apparently BH and CB do not talk to each other. It is becoming more obvious to me that: a) some form of dissension is the root cause of our poor performance thus far b) Butler may be at the root of it and, therefore, needs to be traded - not should be.

Butler saw Arenas and Jamison get paid while he was "carrying" the team, so it's only natural that he's looking for his big payday. With Abe having passed away, I don't think it's gonna happen so the Wiz are going to have to move him if he's resentful, IMO.

Posted by: tgif11 | December 12, 2009 3:53 PM | Report abuse

The problems on this team appear to be fundamental in nature and are neither the cause of one player or are likely to be solved by changing one player. If one player's (rumored, supposed) discontent can so easily torpedo a locker room, it's only an indication of how fragile the bonds are to begin with. Unless they trade Butler for a guy with a strong enough personality, presence, and resume to seize emotional control of the locker room, simply swapping Butler for another solid #3 guy isn't likely to change much. And the odds of any team trading such a player for Butler are slim at best.

Does change need to happen? Probably. But it's going to take more than the equivalent of swapping deck chairs as the water rushes over the railing.

Posted by: kalo_rama | December 12, 2009 3:55 PM | Report abuse

what if one of those deck chairs is gouging a hole in the hull? Then tossing that chair, patching the hole and putting new chair on deck might be the answer.

OK, that is a bit tortured, but if its true that Caron is causing problems, then swapping him for ...whatever is equitable might be worthwhile.

For Divi3 and TGIF - i agree that caron is the weakest link of the three. If he can be cool wiht letting someone else figure into the 60 pts/game and he is the guy who dumps 6-14 (ie - swapping roles with Blatche or NY) I'd be cool with that.

Posted by: Blurred | December 12, 2009 4:03 PM | Report abuse

i wouldnt assume BTH and CB not talking is an indicator of CBs poor attitude, just ask etan.

Posted by: divi3 | December 12, 2009 4:14 PM | Report abuse

ray allen mentioned 'going with the hot hand', Flip needs to read that as much as any player on the team

Posted by: divi3 | December 12, 2009 4:15 PM | Report abuse

"what if one of those deck chairs is gouging a hole in the hull? Then tossing that chair, patching the hole and putting new chair on deck might be the answer."

Not when the ship is clearly taking on water from all sides. Caron Butler is hardly the only (or even the biggest) problem on this team.

"i wouldnt assume BTH and CB not talking is an indicator of CBs poor attitude, just ask etan."

Great point (that will, undoubtedly, be lost on many here).

"ray allen mentioned 'going with the hot hand', Flip needs to read that as much as any player on the team"

Going with the hot hand first requires someone's hand to get hot.

Posted by: kalo_rama | December 12, 2009 4:45 PM | Report abuse

"Nash was so great the Suns got rid of him after his 2nd year when he was averaging single digit point and assists. The same people saying "if only we drafted Nash" would have been lambasting the team for the "wasted" pick had we actually drafted him.

Posted by: divi3 | December 12, 2009 1:06 PM | Report abuse "

And how have Les BouleS drafted better?

And how has max money panned out to date?

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | December 12, 2009 5:13 PM | Report abuse

It's not just Caron's attitude.

The entire team needs to be blown up, starting with Gilby.

Gilby is lucky that Caron won't rip him a new one for calling him out, while Gilby is the one poisoning the team.

Back to Agent Zero?

My @ss.....

Still losing.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | December 12, 2009 5:16 PM | Report abuse

'And how have Les BouleS drafted better?

And how has max money panned out to date?'

you were whining about a 'wasted' pick from 14 seasons ago, just as you would have been whining about the same pick 12 seasons ago if we'd drafted nash.

Posted by: divi3 | December 12, 2009 5:18 PM | Report abuse

It's always dicey when the two highest-paid players are the ones talking to the media about guys playing for contracts. Could be pretty explosive in the locker room and ruin any potential chemistry that could develop.

Posted by: tgif11 | December 12, 2009 5:21 PM | Report abuse

What's up with an update Mikey Lee?!?

Posted by: elfreako | December 12, 2009 6:53 PM | Report abuse

Stevenson starts tonight.

Posted by: and_1 | December 12, 2009 7:03 PM | Report abuse

"you were whining about a 'wasted' pick from 14 seasons ago, just as you would have been whining about the same pick 12 seasons ago if we'd drafted nash.

Posted by: divi3 | December 12, 2009 5:18 PM | Report abuse "

That gives you an indication that Les BouleS history with the draft has been atrocious....but then again, I'm not sure if you're that perceptive.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | December 12, 2009 7:16 PM | Report abuse

Way to go Flip. You should have started Oberto also. Flip sucks. Ernie sucks. which mean the Wiz will suck.

Posted by: rnbrown4 | December 12, 2009 7:16 PM | Report abuse

Gilby passing the ball looks so unnatural, and often times, it ends up in a busted play or a turnover. Seems so forced.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | December 12, 2009 7:23 PM | Report abuse

Stevenson just fouled a guy taking a three-point shot?! Is this guy a veteran or what?

Posted by: and_1 | December 12, 2009 7:28 PM | Report abuse

Phil Chenier analysis:

TJ Ford blows by Gilby's defense and makes a layup.

All Phil can say is that "TJ Ford almost missed the layup."

Whatever Phil...open up your eyes and call the play.

I seriously hope Leonsis cleans house.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | December 12, 2009 7:30 PM | Report abuse

Butler commits the absolute dumbest turnovers!

Posted by: and_1 | December 12, 2009 7:35 PM | Report abuse

Butler commits the absolute dumbest turnovers!

Posted by: and_1 | December 12, 2009 7:35 PM | Report abuse

"Butler commits the absolute dumbest turnovers!

Posted by: and_1 | December 12, 2009 7:35 PM | Report abuse "

When is any turnover ever good? Never.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | December 12, 2009 7:41 PM | Report abuse


Somebody forgot to tell the Pacers they had no chance.
Somebody forgot to tell the Wizards they had to play at least token defense.

Posted by: 2020doc | December 12, 2009 7:46 PM | Report abuse

Is Michael Lee incognito?

Posted by: elfreako | December 12, 2009 7:54 PM | Report abuse

we have a deep bunch of talented players and are a horrible team!!!!! pathetic....stevenson is so horrible...he should be playing in italy...i am not putting it all on him but lets just start there...arenas is a shadow of his former self...but is just playing stupid ball...jamison has horrible shot selection...it goes on and on...this is the worst performance of the season....argh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

LET'S GO CAPS!

Posted by: IZZY3 | December 12, 2009 7:59 PM | Report abuse

There's no way to spin this, guys.
The Wizards are being outhustled by a team playing the second game of a back-to-back. And where's Nick Young? He goes from starting to not getting any minutes to this point. What is this???

Posted by: tgif11 | December 12, 2009 8:00 PM | Report abuse

Since the Dallas game, I haven't seen EG attending any games. Where is he hiding?
Maybe he is hanging out with Isiah Thomas.

Posted by: Utilityman1 | December 12, 2009 8:02 PM | Report abuse

they don't even have their leading scorer...no heart no heart no heart no heart no heart no heart no heart no heart no heart no heart no heart no heart no heart no heart no heart no heart

I HATE THE FACT THAT I WILL NEVER CHANGE MY ALLEGIANCE FROM THIS TEAM...IT SUX

Posted by: IZZY3 | December 12, 2009 8:04 PM | Report abuse

elfreako

Even Mike has given up on this "TEAM?

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | December 12, 2009 8:06 PM | Report abuse

Now that Flip has given the Pacers points by playing Stevenson, he finally decides to play Young with seconds remaining.

Posted by: tgif11 | December 12, 2009 8:11 PM | Report abuse

"Is Michael Lee incognito?

Posted by: elfreako | December 12, 2009 7:54 PM | Report abuse "

Even beat reporters need to do xmas shopping too.

What info do you need that Mike ain't providing?

There's no real mystery to the team right now.

What sucks, sucks...

Yes, and that includes Gilby taking long 3's with a defender in his face, or being careless while dribb

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | December 12, 2009 8:13 PM | Report abuse

I suspect Michael Lee is making us "see the light" by keeping the Barkley and Webber post alive.

Posted by: tgif11 | December 12, 2009 8:14 PM | Report abuse

Damn.

The Knicks have more wins than this shytbag team.

Posted by: elfreako | December 12, 2009 8:17 PM | Report abuse

Quick, someone make a Costco run for Caron...need more Mountain Dew and chewing straws.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | December 12, 2009 8:18 PM | Report abuse

Shooting woes?

Where's Dave Hopla.

I forgot...they renewed Wes Unseld Jr.'s contract, but let Hopla go.

Sheer brilliance.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | December 12, 2009 8:19 PM | Report abuse

Gilby drives to the box and throws up a hail mary pass into the paint for anyone to grab....turnover....and you wonder why the team's record is what it is....

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | December 12, 2009 8:21 PM | Report abuse

Wonder if Antwan is going to start throwing things in the lockeroom?

Posted by: ptp23 | December 12, 2009 8:21 PM | Report abuse

"Wonder if Antwan is going to start throwing things in the lockeroom?

Posted by: ptp23 | December 12, 2009 8:21 PM | Report abuse "

He'll probably miss anyway.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | December 12, 2009 8:24 PM | Report abuse

Mike Jones is pitching a shutout on twitter right now:
http://twitter.com/MikejonesTWT

C'mon Mike Lee tell us something new dude!!

Posted by: elfreako | December 12, 2009 8:25 PM | Report abuse

Young makes this a different team. It makes no sense for Flip to keep jerking with him.

Posted by: tgif11 | December 12, 2009 8:39 PM | Report abuse

I think the talent is definitely there, but this team overall has a low basketball I.Q.

How many times was Gil on a break (against BOS) only to try and dish it off at the last second to a non-existent teammate? The old Gil would've plowed into someone for an and-one. How many defenders do you know TURN THEIR BACK TO THE BALL on a fast break? (Allen dunking on Blatche). How many more I'll advised, me-first shots will Randy Foye take? How is Stevenson still in the NBA?

It seems like this team has the athletes and potential, but can't translate it to finishing games and consistency....

I just hope Gil gets the rust off soon, if not he'll just be another Steve Francis...

Posted by: brianptaylor1911 | December 12, 2009 8:40 PM | Report abuse

Everyone is trying to get rid of CB. If you trade him it still does not solve the problem. The Wizards have 5 role players in there starting line up. No one is a true all star. No one wants to be a true leader. You know why because they are afraid to be accountable. When something goes wrong they always point the finger instead of taking ownership of there poor performance. Trade the whole team!

Posted by: paulelucas2 | December 12, 2009 8:44 PM | Report abuse

Has Jamison missed his last three free throws?

Posted by: tgif11 | December 12, 2009 8:51 PM | Report abuse

Nick has a particular set of skills that make him dangerous for NBA 2's.

Kinda like Liam Niesen in Taken.

Posted by: elfreako | December 12, 2009 8:54 PM | Report abuse

"I just hope Gil gets the rust off soon, if not he'll just be another Steve Francis...

Posted by: brianptaylor1911 | December 12, 2009 8:40 PM | Report abuse "

Rust?

Gilby has no ability to elevate anymore.

If Tim Grover couldn't help him restore that this past summer, nothing will.

Gilby just can't finish strong anymore.

These NBA regulation rims aren't the same 9ft rims that Gilby was dunking on at Barry Farms.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | December 12, 2009 8:57 PM | Report abuse

Side note:

Nice to see some white guys on the court for a change.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | December 12, 2009 8:58 PM | Report abuse

Well, seems we got the offense back the last couple of games and then our defense goes to hell. Sigh!

Posted by: rphilli721 | December 12, 2009 9:07 PM | Report abuse

C'mon Flip. You stick with Boykins we lose. They are taking him to the rack every time or shooting over him. Yeah, he made a couple of shots. Great. Now put Arenas in. I'm tired of this circus act!

Posted by: rphilli721 | December 12, 2009 9:08 PM | Report abuse


If Flip hadn't started and played Stevenson so much, the Wizards would've had this game going away.
Another rebound ripped out of Brendan's weak hands.

Posted by: and_1 | December 12, 2009 9:09 PM | Report abuse

I love watching Boykins dribble the shot clock away every possession.

Posted by: rphilli721 | December 12, 2009 9:10 PM | Report abuse

Boykins is terrible! GET HIM OUT!

Posted by: rphilli721 | December 12, 2009 9:13 PM | Report abuse

The Pacers are going go to right at Butler with that gimpy ankle!

Posted by: and_1 | December 12, 2009 9:18 PM | Report abuse

Wow, how is that not a foul by TH on GA? Are you kidding me? At least Boykins can hit the open jumper, he sure as hell can't initiate offense.

Posted by: rphilli721 | December 12, 2009 9:22 PM | Report abuse

The Wiz have to play defense now!

Posted by: and_1 | December 12, 2009 9:26 PM | Report abuse

Arenas choked again...geez!

Posted by: and_1 | December 12, 2009 9:30 PM | Report abuse

Dumbest team I've ever seen!

No center in the lane to keep that pass from being possible???

STUPID!

Posted by: rphilli721 | December 12, 2009 9:33 PM | Report abuse

Gilbert = Master Choke Artist

Posted by: OG_Barno | December 12, 2009 9:33 PM | Report abuse

Wow, another choking act by Gilbert! Agent 0 points in the clutch strikes again! Good foul by Indiana to put Gilbert on the line. That is where the game was lost, not the final foul by meShawn (which was pretty stupid too!).

Posted by: JohnWWW | December 12, 2009 9:38 PM | Report abuse

Nice...

Posted by: ptp23 | December 12, 2009 9:40 PM | Report abuse

AGENT ZERO INDEED!
Zero heart!
Zero brains!
Zero clutch free throws made!!

Posted by: 2020doc | December 12, 2009 9:41 PM | Report abuse

IDIOTIC TEAM! Season OVER!

Notice Indiana had the lane sealed off for a tip the last .1 sec and we put DS on Dunleavy all alone in the paint?? Are you kidding me??? That is what DS was questioning! Why am I guarding the guy in the paint? Moronic team. Moronic coaching.

Told you with Boykins we lose this game. He got extremely lucky with that one shot otherwise it's so dumb. He is a ball movement killer!

Posted by: rphilli721 | December 12, 2009 9:41 PM | Report abuse

Once again... the NBA gets the fix they want!! I believe Tim Donaghy... it's fixed... might as well be watchin' wrestling.

Posted by: tony325 | December 12, 2009 9:41 PM | Report abuse

This is the most pathetic team Ive ever followed. Absolute joke. Saying their cursed is actually an insult to curses. They are just no defense playing, choking dogs. Aside from the idiotic foul at the end, did anyone see Brenda get posted up and scored on by TJ Ford? TJ FORD?!?!?!

This team couldn't defend my nieces 5th grade team. What a f*****g joke

Posted by: Kev29 | December 12, 2009 9:43 PM | Report abuse

No...what was really dumb with all the other really dumb things they did down the stretch was put the ball in GA's hands. Butler had it and he could have easily held onto the ball or passed to Boykins. Instead he dribbles and gives it to GA. NO IQ! Rocks!

Posted by: rphilli721 | December 12, 2009 9:43 PM | Report abuse

Oh well Dunleavy and Murphy on my fantasy team.

Posted by: ptp23 | December 12, 2009 9:44 PM | Report abuse

Finally, some people are realizing that this team is actually horrific. Millions spent on complimentary players, too bad... The bad news is that there is no hope in sight, the bad contracts are very long ala Juwan Howard.

Posted by: Utilityman1 | December 12, 2009 9:45 PM | Report abuse

refs totally stole this game from the wiz.

what is wrong with gil's free throws?! he makes those two and we win. tough. 4 games loss by a total of 9 points.

Posted by: rachel216 | December 12, 2009 9:45 PM | Report abuse

LES BOULES SNATCH DEFEAT FROM THE JAWS OF VICTORY!!!!!

GILBY WITH HIS TRIPLE DOUBLE COST THE TEAM THE WIN BY MISSING FREE THROWS YET AGAIN WITH NOBODY WHISPERING SWEET NOTHINGS IN HIS EARS, YET AGAIN...

CAN IT GET ANY WORSE THAN THIS?!?!

SWADAGGGERRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | December 12, 2009 9:45 PM | Report abuse

Why would anyone pay money to watch this team play? I'm so f-ing pissed I bought the League Pass to watch a team with no heart. You can't close the Pacers coming off a back-to-back at home?

GET ARENAS OUT OF HERE NO MATTER THE COST!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: saltine182 | December 12, 2009 9:46 PM | Report abuse

THIS WAS CLEARLY A FAIR CALL BY THE REFS....DUNLEAVY WAS DOUBLE FOULED WITH TIME ON THE CLOCK!!!!

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | December 12, 2009 9:46 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, was there ridiculous officiating down the stretch? Absolutely. GA got nailed twice in the last minute with no call and Dunleavy gets that gift. I honestly did not see a foul. I saw all ball. But, why why why why is DS guarding the lane. I saw that play from the minute he got on the court. So did DS to his credit! That is why he looked so panicked he couldn't believe that stupid strategy. Why no timeout?

Posted by: rphilli721 | December 12, 2009 9:46 PM | Report abuse

Blame the refs all you want. Arenas had a chance to put this game away and he didn't. End of story!!

Posted by: tgif11 | December 12, 2009 9:46 PM | Report abuse

No...what was really dumb with all the other really dumb things they did down the stretch was put the ball in GA's hands. Butler had it and he could have easily held onto the ball or passed to Boykins. Instead he dribbles and gives it to GA. NO IQ! Rocks!

Posted by: rphilli721 | December 12, 2009 9:43 PM | Report abuse

Your boy EG gave GA that contract, so it is only right that he should get the rock at the end of the game.

Posted by: Utilityman1 | December 12, 2009 9:46 PM | Report abuse

"This is the most pathetic team Ive ever followed. Absolute joke. Saying their cursed is actually an insult to curses.

This team couldn't defend my nieces 5th grade team. What a f*****g joke

Posted by: Kev29 | December 12, 2009 9:43 PM | Report abuse "

LMFAO!!!!

GILBY WITH TWO MISSED FREE THROWS AND AN ILL ADVISED LONG 3 FOR NO REASON!!!!

I SAW GILBY WITH HIS FACE IN HIS HANDS PRAYING FOR NO GROUNDHOG DAY PART DEUX....

BUT IT 'TWAS!!!!

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | December 12, 2009 9:48 PM | Report abuse

Paging Dave Hopla...paging Buzz Braman... Gil probably was like..why did you throw that pass to me and not Boykins?
15/23 free throws versus Indiana 28 out of 30 and they missed one on purpose.

Posted by: ptp23 | December 12, 2009 9:48 PM | Report abuse

Can D.C. please get a mother f-ng break with these losses? Just a terrible year for D.C. sports. 26 years in and this is the worst I've ever seen.

Posted by: saltine182 | December 12, 2009 9:49 PM | Report abuse

This game is either the end of our season or the beginning of the turnaround. I have a feeling it's the former. LOSERS!

Posted by: rphilli721 | December 12, 2009 9:49 PM | Report abuse

Look, I love the Wizards too, but 114 points to Pacers??

This team decided they didn't have to play defense tonight and it bit them in the @ss!!


Posted by: tgif11 | December 12, 2009 9:49 PM | Report abuse

O'BRIEN CLEARLY OUTCOACHED FLIP FLOP TONIGHT.

DID ANYONE SEE THE PACERS, AFTER THE TIMEOUT COME UP WITH A LOB DUNK FROM EARL WATKINS TO TYLER HANSBOROUGH?

PLEASE CONTRAST THAT TO TWO NIGHTS AGO AFTER A TIMEOUT WITH 14 SECONDS LEFT AND GILBY TAKES 3 DRIBBLES TO THE LEFT FOR A LONG PRAYER.

REGGIE MILLER SAID IT RIGHT: "IS THAT THE BEST SHOT THAT YOU CAN TAKE COMING OUT OF A TIMEOUT WITH 14 SECONDS LEFTTTTTTT?!?!?!

WTF IS GOING ON?

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | December 12, 2009 9:49 PM | Report abuse

DUMB, DUMB, DUMB ....

It's now official, the Wizzards have assumed the label as the absolute dumbest team in town from the 'Skins.

A bunch of non-free throw shootin, lil' heart, sorry, no-good excuse for a pro basketball team.

Get ridda' them all and start all over again. What a waste ....

Posted by: SkinzFanzz | December 12, 2009 9:51 PM | Report abuse

I WISH I COULD TRADE MY LEAGUE PASS FOR THE NHL SEASON PASS RIGHT NOW....

WHY DIDN'T THEY CALL TIMEOUT WHEN THERE WAS SO MUCH CONFUSION WITH DS GUARDING DUNLEAVY DOWN LOW?????

WHO IS THE COACH...ZORN? SNYDER? SPURRIER? DICK MOTTA WOULD HAVE CALLED TIME...argggggggggggggggH!

Posted by: IZZY3 | December 12, 2009 9:52 PM | Report abuse

@PTP,

Exactly! Why did he pass to GA? Boykins was open and he is only the best FT shooter on the team and one of the best in the league. How stupid can you be?

Good news is that Butler will probably be out for a while. That ankle will tighten up in no time at all. Ironically, it happens when he finally looked decent. Of course, he contributed to the bad news bears decisions down the stretch as well.

Posted by: rphilli721 | December 12, 2009 9:52 PM | Report abuse

McGee was running onto the floor Indiana's last play before Flip brought him back according to the commentators. Way to go Flip.

Posted by: ptp23 | December 12, 2009 9:53 PM | Report abuse

Look, I love the Wizards too, but 114 points to Pacers??

This team decided they didn't have to play defense tonight and it bit them in the @ss!!


Posted by: tgif11 | December 12, 2009 9:49 PM | Report abuse

Just tonight?

Posted by: Utilityman1 | December 12, 2009 9:53 PM | Report abuse

Hey, Ed, wrong headline. You need this:

Gil kills the Wizards . . . again.

Posted by: farstriker | December 12, 2009 9:53 PM | Report abuse

FLIP FLOP COACH OF THE YEAR!!!!

MESHAWN GUARDING DUNLEAVY WHO IS 5" TALLER THAN HE IS, ABOUT 5 FT FROM THE PAINT? THEY LOOKED LOST RIGHT BEFORE THE INBOUND.

AGAIN, WITH LES BOULES HAVING .1 SECONDS LEFT IN THE GAME, NOT ENOUGH PLAYERS ON THE COURT AS GILBY RUNS INTO THE GAME!!!!

WTF IS GOING ON?!?!?!

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | December 12, 2009 9:55 PM | Report abuse

Did Caron pass the ball to Gil on that last play? If he did, that was done on purpose. Caron's a way better free throw shooter than Gil.

Posted by: ptp23 | December 12, 2009 9:55 PM | Report abuse

"Good news is that Butler will probably be out for a while. That ankle will tighten up in no time at all. Ironically, it happens when he finally looked decent. Of course, he contributed to the bad news bears decisions down the stretch as well.

Posted by: rphilli721 | December 12, 2009 9:52 PM | Report abuse "

BUTLER DIDN'T MISS THE FREE THROWS AND BUTLER DIDN'T TELL MESHAWN TO DEFEND A GUY WHO'S A 7 FT'ER WITH HIS LENGTH.....

STUPID

STUPID

STUPID

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | December 12, 2009 9:56 PM | Report abuse

Flip should be ashamed of himself after that debacle

Posted by: divi3 | December 12, 2009 9:56 PM | Report abuse

Flip's looking more and more like Leonard Hamilton every game.

Posted by: tgif11 | December 12, 2009 9:57 PM | Report abuse

"Did Caron pass the ball to Gil on that last play? If he did, that was done on purpose. Caron's a way better free throw shooter than Gil.

Posted by: ptp23 | December 12, 2009 9:55 PM | Report abuse "

YOU RELY ON YOUR MAX MONEY PLAYER TO SEAL GAMES...

GILBY WAS KNOWN AS A CLOSER....NOT ANYMORE.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | December 12, 2009 9:57 PM | Report abuse

Did Caron pass the ball to Gil on that last play? If he did, that was done on purpose. Caron's a way better free throw shooter than Gil.

Posted by: ptp23 | December 12, 2009 9:55 PM | Report abuse

Well, according to the coach, Gil must be better because he is the one shooting technicals.

Posted by: Utilityman1 | December 12, 2009 9:58 PM | Report abuse

All that happy talk after the Boston game about what they learned in defeat, blah, blah, blah.

No carryover from one game to the next.

Posted by: tgif11 | December 12, 2009 9:59 PM | Report abuse

YOU RELY ON YOUR MAX MONEY PLAYER TO SEAL GAMES...

GILBY WAS KNOWN AS A CLOSER....NOT ANYMORE.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | December 12, 2009 9:57 PM | Report abuse
Yeah..my point is, if there is problems in the locker room with Caron, Caron is probably like..it's your team, let's see you seal it for us.

Posted by: ptp23 | December 12, 2009 9:59 PM | Report abuse

@IZZY,

I was screaming at my TV to call a timeout there. You saw the look of panic on DS face? Why am I guarding the lane with his hands on his head? So many bad decisions by everybody. Including 2nd straight game of pathetic coaching by FS.

If you want to not collapse in the second quarter, try playing players before who have actually played together in an NBA game before. I thought McGuire should have been guarding Murphy or Dunleavy.

Boykins -7, yet he plays the whole 4th quarter. I have been saying it over and over that Boykins is not an answer to winning. He catches lightening in a bottle, but is just as much a liability in initiating offense and definitely on defense. We need Critter bc Boykins is a joke!

Posted by: rphilli721 | December 12, 2009 10:00 PM | Report abuse

So the posters on this very blog that attacked Charles and C-Webb for stating the truth, was this game enough for you to admit that they were absolutely right?

Posted by: Utilityman1 | December 12, 2009 10:00 PM | Report abuse

Question:

Who looked more like Larry Bird tonight? Troy Murphy or Dunleavy?

Answer:

Both.

Les BouleS would have been blown out of the water if Dunleavy didn't play only 27 minutes.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | December 12, 2009 10:01 PM | Report abuse

PAGING DAVE HOPLA.....PAGING DAVE HOPLA....

NEED YOU IN THE EMERGENCY ROOM....


STATTTTTTTTT!!!!!

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | December 12, 2009 10:01 PM | Report abuse

If we can see Gil cannot close like he did..at least not yet, why can't Flip?

Posted by: ptp23 | December 12, 2009 10:01 PM | Report abuse

"Yeah..my point is, if there is problems in the locker room with Caron, Caron is probably like..it's your team, let's see you seal it for us.

Posted by: ptp23 | December 12, 2009 9:59 PM | Report abuse "

AND THAT MEANS:

PUT UP OR SHUT UP, MF'ER!!!!!

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | December 12, 2009 10:02 PM | Report abuse

Gil looks like he's getting more and more comfortable over the past few games. Let's not whine and moan about the guy and make pronouncements about him being done after 2 years off. In fact, he's the only guy on the roster with a legit excuse for bad play.

Posted by: divi3 | December 12, 2009 10:03 PM | Report abuse

Gilbert Arenas=111 million dollar choke artist,i read in an earlier post that Caron is responsible for the dissenion on this team NO! That would be the gimpy kneed choker who has personal issues with his fiance and is now looking for a whipping boy(Caron) and Butler ain't havin it, in addition to being given an idiotic contract(thank you very much Ernie) he is playing out of position(WAKE UP FLIP)tonites game is a perfect example how do you let Murphy get the ball in that situation? that is coaching plain and simple and oh yeah thanks again Gilbert. LMAO!

Posted by: dargregmag | December 12, 2009 10:03 PM | Report abuse

The more I see and hear the more I'm convinced CB is history in D.C., his choice BTW.

Posted by: glawrence007 | December 12, 2009 10:04 PM | Report abuse

Flip looks like a fool for not playing NY more.

Posted by: divi3 | December 12, 2009 10:04 PM | Report abuse

Yes, he absolutely passed to Arenas. I have not seen a dumber combination of things in the last 30 secs of a basketball game. Coaching, players choking, stupid plays...even the watch Boykins dribble for 15 secs and hit a turnaround jumper over Ford play was moronic and lucky!

Yeah, Haywood or McGee have to be in the paint on that play. There is no excuse for it. Again, the panick was bc DS was smart enough to know that he should not be in that position. DUMB DUMB DUMB DUMB DUMB Can't wait to hear the quotes from this one.

Posted by: rphilli721 | December 12, 2009 10:05 PM | Report abuse

I was screaming at my TV to call a timeout there. You saw the look of panic on DS face? Why am I guarding the lane with his hands on his head? So many bad decisions by everybody. Including 2nd straight game of pathetic coaching by FS.

If not for Flip's resume, everyone would be calling for his head right now. I know he didn't become stupid overnight, but the Wiz come out of timeouts two straight games looking like sh!t. Against BOS, Gil taking a bad shot, followed by Foye taking a pure, unadulterated PANIC shot and then tonight confusion reigns with Stevenson wondering WTF is going on and Gil running out at the last second!! What's going on here???

Posted by: tgif11 | December 12, 2009 10:05 PM | Report abuse

fyi- dc's own lamont peterson in serious trouble on showtime for all you boxing fans out there

Posted by: divi3 | December 12, 2009 10:06 PM | Report abuse

I'm pissed, but I'm glad you aholes relish the loss. Nice fans!

Posted by: rphilli721 | December 12, 2009 10:08 PM | Report abuse

Gil actually had a great game but right now he's a liability at the free throw line at the end of games. That was a case of Hack a Gil. Get the mug off the floor at the end of games.
Flip just said..He's our superstar..I am going to continue to put the ball in his hands at the end of games. Hey Flip..."You Play To Win The Game"

Posted by: ptp23 | December 12, 2009 10:10 PM | Report abuse

"Gil looks like he's getting more and more comfortable over the past few games. Let's not whine and moan about the guy and make pronouncements about him being done after 2 years off. In fact, he's the only guy on the roster with a legit excuse for bad play.

Posted by: divi3 | December 12, 2009 10:03 PM | Report abuse "


BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

THE INSANITY IN THIS POSTING IS BEYOND LUDICROUS!!!!

HE SURE AS HELL LOOKS "MORE AND MORE COMFORTABLE" BEHIND THE FT LINE!!!

NOT!

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | December 12, 2009 10:11 PM | Report abuse

First it was Eddie Jordan, then Tapscott, now Saunders.

It ain't (for the most part) the coach. This is a veteran team that should be able to make game decisions without the coach holding their hand.

Gotta' re-tool this team now.

Posted by: SteveMG | December 12, 2009 10:11 PM | Report abuse

Ummm...FS has had 19 games with this bunch and has had a couple of badly coached games. I would pull my hair out virtually every game that EJ coached with his sub patterns etc.... In fact, tonight's game reminded me very much of a EJ coached game. And that is no compliment to FS!

Posted by: rphilli721 | December 12, 2009 10:12 PM | Report abuse

Ironic that Indiana shot only 42% for the game while Wiz end up shooting almost 55%. Three point shooting was about equal.

However, the Wiz only made 15 of 23 free throws shooting 65% while Indiana made 28 of 30 shooting 93%.

To restate the bleedin' obviuos, free throws were the difference, as it has been a factor in other games as well.

Posted by: cannontl | December 12, 2009 10:12 PM | Report abuse

"Flip just said..He's our superstar..I am going to continue to put the ball in his hands at the end of games."

he put the ball in boykins hands for most of the 4th quarter and hopefully he is done with that nonsense

Posted by: divi3 | December 12, 2009 10:12 PM | Report abuse

"Gil actually had a great game but right now he's a liability at the free throw line at the end of games. That was a case of Hack a Gil. Get the mug off the floor at the end of games.
Flip just said..He's our superstar..I am going to continue to put the ball in his hands at the end of games. Hey Flip..."You Play To Win The Game"

Posted by: ptp23 | December 12, 2009 10:10 PM | Report abuse "

"GREAT GAME" GOES INTO THE TOILET WHEN YOU HAVE A CHANCE TO WIN THE GAME FOR YOUR TEAM, AND YOU BLOW IT....TWO GAMES IN A ROW, YOU BLOW!!!!!

HE MUST HAVE SOME TIRED JAWS BY NOW!!!

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | December 12, 2009 10:12 PM | Report abuse

'HE SURE AS HELL LOOKS "MORE AND MORE COMFORTABLE" BEHIND THE FT LINE!!!

NOT!'

yes dc_mann, we know you live for and love wizard losses- your unbridled joy right now is obvious enough.

But for those of us who are actually fans of the team, it's obvious Gil is coming along.

Posted by: divi3 | December 12, 2009 10:14 PM | Report abuse

I wonder how many free throws Gil will practice tonight.

Posted by: cannontl | December 12, 2009 10:15 PM | Report abuse

Please tell me they were out of timeouts on the lob to Dunleavy. The pacers showed there hand as soon as they took the floor. There is just no way you allow DS to guard Dunleavy 6 feet from the basket when their only option is a lob pass.

Posted by: ZardsFan1 | December 12, 2009 10:16 PM | Report abuse

"Ironic that Indiana shot only 42% for the game while Wiz end up shooting almost 55%. Three point shooting was about equal.

Posted by: cannontl | December 12, 2009 10:12 PM | Report abuse "

It's actually not ironic.

O'Brien was smart enough to yank Hibbert from the game after Hibbert couldn't get over the fact that it was not a he vs. BTH game.

Hibbert was shooting long J's for no reason.

Dahntay Jones was thinking he was Kobe. He was wrong also.

TJ Ford almost lost the game for the Pacers also when Les BouleS started getting into his head and he was going one on one.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | December 12, 2009 10:17 PM | Report abuse

@Steve,

Ummm...I agree with you pretty much, but as DCMANN said, did the player's decide to have DS guard the paint? No. And even our last play was absolutely confusing. We didn't have enough players on the court! Granted that was a miracle play at best, but hey I give McGee credit he almost volley balled that shot in. Probably the smartest play I've ever seen from him. But why no lob to the rim with him? That is why I thought he was in the game.

They should have been booed off the court with beer thrown on them. The refs weren't without fault here either.

Posted by: rphilli721 | December 12, 2009 10:18 PM | Report abuse

"yes dc_mann, we know you live for and love wizard losses- your unbridled joy right now is obvious enough.

But for those of us who are actually fans of the team, it's obvious Gil is coming along.

Posted by: divi3 | December 12, 2009 10:14 PM | Report abuse "

Keep believing that.

All you have is hope right now...and what is hope for?

Fools, yes you.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | December 12, 2009 10:18 PM | Report abuse

"Please tell me they were out of timeouts on the lob to Dunleavy. The pacers showed there hand as soon as they took the floor. There is just no way you allow DS to guard Dunleavy 6 feet from the basket when their only option is a lob pass."

Ummm..of course we did! We called a timeout to send 4 players on the court for our last play with .1 secs left.

We are the bad news bears!

Posted by: rphilli721 | December 12, 2009 10:22 PM | Report abuse

DUNLEAVY WAS THE HOTTEST MF'ER ON THE COURT....HE COULD NOT MISS...

HE WAS 5 F'N FEET FROM THE BASKET, AND YOU PUT MESHAWN ON HIM?

WTF FLIPPER!!!!


SOMEWHERE OUT THERE, ABE IS SCREAMING RIGHT NOW:

"OY F'N VEY!!!!"

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | December 12, 2009 10:23 PM | Report abuse

What is going on with NY's minutes? How can Saunders expect him to produce consistently when his minutes are so erratic? I nearly puked when I saw DS start the game. Then he played Caron for the first 18 or so minutes. It seems to me that Saunders has no gameplan when it comes to his roster and rotations. He's wingin it, and it's no surprise that his players are struggling.

Posted by: ZardsFan1 | December 12, 2009 10:23 PM | Report abuse

The only good result of this game, was the discovery of a winning lineup. Well at leaast winning considering this roster.

The 3rd period this team was actually electric and who was on the floor?
AB, CB, AJ, GA AND NY...this is your most competitive and skilled group they have to offer.
The D can not sluff on anyone as they can all shoot, run and dribble. Also the energy of this group is extended as a result of the offensive charge. It is the only time this year, and maybe in several years that the fast break, release and run, and even the team D was dominant, electric and exciting.

But of course this is going to require a coach to step up and make the call to sit BH, except against teams with big dominant centers, and how many of them are there, 4/5?
BH is a killer on this team, bad instincts, no athletic skills, and inconsistent energy.
This remains a team game, and you can not compete with 3 against 5, which is the situation with BH and Ds etc on the floor.

Also it is past time for JMc to get on the floor. We keep doing the same thing with the same results no matter the coach.

Bh is the past AB, NY and JMc are the present and future.

I also think we are a better team when GA is not on the floor. He is a mental case and it drags the team down.
I love AB, NY JMc...also Miller and Foye when healthy.

AJ and CB are fine with the right complements...see above.

Once again ta ta to BH, GA DS enough already, sayonara, exit stage right...enough with the drama and insanity and total frustration.

The little man with the big heart is a good impetus at times, but not your first sub, please! he should be purely situational if the proper alignmnet is on the floor for most of the game.

Posted by: mricklen | December 12, 2009 10:23 PM | Report abuse

Hey DCMAN,

You berate people for believing in this team etc...yet, you seem to watch pretty much every game so shut up. Hypocrite!

Posted by: rphilli721 | December 12, 2009 10:24 PM | Report abuse

LET'S BE HONEST...WHILE BOYKINS ISN'T THE SOLUTION HE DIDN'T LOSE THIS GAME...SAUNDERS WAS ZORN IN THIS GAME.

AS FOR GIL, COMING ALONG DOESN'T MATTER WHEN YOU MISS BOTH FOUL SHOTS.

LIKE I SAID BEFORE, A BUNCH OF GUYS WITH TALENT AND ONE OF THE WORST BASKETBALL TEAMS I HAVE EVER SEEN...AND IT KILLS ME TO SAY IT BUT ITS THE TRUTH...I HAVEN'T BEEN THIS DISAPPOINTED IN A LOSS...

BY THE WAY...WHO'S LOSS WAS WORSE: THIS ONE OR THE SKINS BLOWING THE LEAD TO NEW ORLEANS.

REFS SUCKED IN BOTH GAMES. SUISHAM=ARENAS,
ZORN=SAUNDERS. COME TO THINK OF IT CAMPBELL=ARENAS...GREAT GAME AND THEN CHOKE IN THE END...NO LEADERSHIP ABILITY....

Posted by: IZZY3 | December 12, 2009 10:25 PM | Report abuse

"They should have been booed off the court with beer thrown on them. The refs weren't without fault here either.

Posted by: rphilli721 | December 12, 2009 10:18 PM | Report abuse "

EVERY F'N FAN THAT CAME OUT FOR THE GAME IN THIS COLD F'N WEATHER SHOULD HAVE BEEN GIVEN A REFUND AND A WARM APOLOGY FOR THE INCOMPETENCE THEY SAW TONIGHT!!!

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | December 12, 2009 10:26 PM | Report abuse

Clearly the Wizzards are the 2nd best basketball playin in the Verizon Center behind the G'town Hoyas ..

No heart + No Talent = No Win ...

Posted by: SkinzFanzz | December 12, 2009 10:27 PM | Report abuse

@mrick,

You're an absurd idiot! Too many stupid things in your post to even get into it.

Posted by: rphilli721 | December 12, 2009 10:27 PM | Report abuse

"Hey DCMAN,

You berate people for believing in this team etc...yet, you seem to watch pretty much every game so shut up. Hypocrite!

Posted by: rphilli721 | December 12, 2009 10:24 PM | Report abuse "

Who doesn't like a comedy of errors?

Who doesn't like to watch a F'n train wreck?

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | December 12, 2009 10:28 PM | Report abuse

@Zardsfan,

Ummm..after what you just saw you are going to pick up on NY's playing time??? That is about 50th on the list of what needs to change if it is even on the list and had nothing to do with the outcome of the game tonight.

Posted by: rphilli721 | December 12, 2009 10:30 PM | Report abuse

this was much worse than the New Orleans loss. I maintained some hope that this would be a good team this year. The redskins' season, on the other hand, was already over, and they are hard to root for because of the egomaniac who owns them.

Posted by: ZardsFan1 | December 12, 2009 10:33 PM | Report abuse

Apparently you are a world class rubber necker then. I've watched 3 Skins games this year bc I don't like to waste my time and I am getting to that point with the Wiz as much as I love basketball.

Posted by: rphilli721 | December 12, 2009 10:34 PM | Report abuse

I guess Les BouleS weren't on TNT tonight b/c otherwise, Charles and CWebb would have even more truthful things to say.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | December 12, 2009 10:42 PM | Report abuse

Les BouleS actually had a chance to win anyway tonight with an O'Brien bad call to leave JaTravel wide open, but it was not meant to be.

Calm down homers..at least you didn't pay money to watch this garbage and then have to commute home afterwards in this cold.

Once again, snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | December 12, 2009 10:45 PM | Report abuse

o.k., Gilbert Arenas is has a guaranteed contract of what, ONE HUNDRED AND ELEVEN MILLION DOLLARS! and yet, if you go to the Verizon Center and puts your money down to watch a game? What do you see? Other team scores (no D from DC), Gilbert gets the ball and, slowly, slowly, plop, plop, plop, here come the Wizards, and then... nothing... Ohh... how sad. Gee... Poor Wizards... Seriously? Has anyone seen Allen Iverson play? It's different. Right? As long as the Wiz has Gil's contract, they will be the East Coast Clippers.

Posted by: clocker58 | December 12, 2009 10:46 PM | Report abuse

"As long as the Wiz has Gil's contract, they will be the East Coast Clippers.

Posted by: clocker58 | December 12, 2009 10:46 PM | Report abuse "

Clearly Gilby is not max money, never was.....but Gilby is just the latest seasoning to add to this stew of sh#t called Les BouleS.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | December 12, 2009 10:51 PM | Report abuse

If you could go back in the archives, I said at the time GA was not a $111 million player even before surgery. I mocked the $17 million dollar "discount" he was giving us. He marketed himself very well and it worked. He should have been signed for about $80 million max, which would have payed him slightly more than CB and AJ. And, he got $20 million of it for sitting out a year. Hurray! Abe got duped!

Posted by: rphilli721 | December 12, 2009 11:03 PM | Report abuse

Two games in a row that Arenass misses clutch FTs...Pathetic !!

Posted by: JCB9 | December 12, 2009 11:09 PM | Report abuse

It would be nice to have that extra cap room now.

Only good thing to come out of the last two games is that GA is looking better. Pushing tempo etc... Also, he absolutely got fouled his last two drives to the basket. He got fouled worse than Dunleavy did on the now infamous inbounds play. I have a hard time blaming GA this game when he had a triple double. CB's giving him the ball was ridiculous as was Flip's coaching this game.

How does Murphy, Dunleavy, Hansborough, Ford score 114 pts? That is comical!

I thought Haywood played perhaps his worst game of the year and Blatche was pretty bad as well. Just can't get everything together. Sigh!

Posted by: rphilli721 | December 12, 2009 11:16 PM | Report abuse

"How does Murphy, Dunleavy, Hansborough, Ford score 114 pts? That is comical!

Posted by: rphilli721 | December 12, 2009 11:16 PM | Report abuse "

Nothing new here.

Average players become superstars whenever they play Les BouleS.

And to think, the Pacers were missing their best player....Danny Grainger.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | December 12, 2009 11:21 PM | Report abuse

Triple double or not, Arenas absolutely has to hit those free throws at that point in the game. The refs called the foul and he missed 'em. It's not what you do, it's when you do it.

Posted by: tgif11 | December 12, 2009 11:22 PM | Report abuse

Let's not get caught up only with how the game ended.

Don't forget that Les BouleS were down by about 16 pts at one time in the game.

That is absolutely not acceptable, and they didn't deserve to win.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | December 12, 2009 11:28 PM | Report abuse

Exactly. GA gets the big bucks to win games. Does anyone thing Gilbert is giving his all to win? Didn't think so. Bye Bye Gilbert.

Posted by: clocker58 | December 12, 2009 11:30 PM | Report abuse

@tgif,

Ummm...yeah, I am with you somewhat. But, why put him in that position when he has struggled at the line all year. Butler and Boykins are our two best foul shooters and Butler passed to GA. Not so sure it wasn't intentional. Not a smart play per usual.

Posted by: rphilli721 | December 12, 2009 11:32 PM | Report abuse

Losing to the Pacers after they are coming off 2nd of a back to back and playing at Abe's arena makes me sick.
This game is the season in a nutshell.
Not season so far but the future.
No way this group can recover.
there are a lot of games left but I think the Wizzies are just cannon fodder for the real teams.
There is no sense of pride.
No leader.
No energy.
No one steering.
No winners just losers.
Abe must be spinning in his grave.

Posted by: VBFan | December 12, 2009 11:32 PM | Report abuse

THE TEAM IS LETHARGIC AND HAS NO IDENTIFIABLE SYSTEM. TONIGHT I NOTICED THAT FLIP IS NOT A QUICK THINKING COACH. HE NEVER FIGURED OUT ANYTHING THE PACERS WERE PLANNING TO DO UNTIL THEY HAD DONE IT. STEVENSON DID NOT APPARENTLY KNOW WHO WAS GUARDING DUNLEAVY UNTIL TOO LATE.I HAVE SEEN THIS SEVERAL TIMES. MAYBE THE COACH THINK THESE GUYS ARE SMART BUT THEY NEVER MAKE SMART MOVES SPONTANEOUSLY. NOW WE KNOW AT THEIR BEST THIS WAS A 500 TEAM. EVERYBODY ELSE HAS IMPROVED AND WE HAVE AGED. WHEN YOU CAN'T FIRE THE TEAM TAKE A CLOSER LOOK AT THE COACH.

Posted by: kcandlc | December 12, 2009 11:42 PM | Report abuse


I hear you, rphilli. I suppose we'll never know why Butler passed it to Arenas when Butler is one of the best FT shooters on the team and Arenas is struggling. Maybe it falls under the heading of what Flip calls inventing ways to lose or maybe he genuinely thought he was doing the right thing.

Posted by: tgif11 | December 12, 2009 11:43 PM | Report abuse

Perhaps it isn't totally fair, but it seems like the guys making the most money should be the best players. Arenas makes the most. He should be playing the best.

Posted by: clocker58 | December 12, 2009 11:50 PM | Report abuse

Hey DCMAN,

You berate people for believing in this team etc...yet, you seem to watch pretty much every game so shut up. Hypocrite!

Posted by: rphilli721 | December 12, 2009 10:24 PM | Report abuse
Nice..Hahaha..good point. Dude watches every single game and then has all the plus/minus and other stats after every game. What a life.

Posted by: ptp23 | December 12, 2009 11:58 PM | Report abuse

these guys are effing LOSERS. period. end of story.

Posted by: SadieV | December 12, 2009 11:58 PM | Report abuse

@ptp,

Yeah, and his only reply was he likes to watch train wrecks. Lame!

@kcand,

DS knew who he was supposed to be guarding. He just couldn't believe he was guarding Dunleavy all alone in the paint.

I can't believe FS was not asked about that decision post game? Michael, Gene where are you on this??? Are you reporting and asking the tough questions or are you going along with the program? That absolutely needs to be asked.

Posted by: rphilli721 | December 13, 2009 12:07 AM | Report abuse

Flip is a disaster. We had two timeouts how could we NOT take one and set up our defense. Despite all the mistakes and missed foul shots, the fact is that it came down to the last shot and you simply needed a big man on Dunleavy. Idiotic.

Posted by: larryrob | December 13, 2009 12:09 AM | Report abuse

"Arenas makes the most. He should be playing the best."

His triple double tonight was terrible. I know. He had to be the 3/4th best player on the floor. No sarcasm here whatsoever!

Posted by: rphilli721 | December 13, 2009 12:22 AM | Report abuse

Pretty harsh VBFan. What this season will be for this team is still being written. The first chapter ain't pretty. This was an especially ugly loss considering that the opposition was struggling badly too. The Wizards ALLOWED the Pacers to hang around -- they weren't able to close them out.

It seems like they don't expect to win, so they find ways to lose. Maybe it's a question of playing not to lose; rather than putting pressure on opponents on both ends of the court. The killer instinct isn't there yet; the swagger and lack of confidence aren't there yet either.

As they've done in recent games, the team plays well in spurts, it lets up in the 2nd, finds its footing again in the 3rd, and then down the stretch the team is too tentative -- they play OK defense, but on the offensive end they aren't making teams work; and they tend to settle for too many contested jumpers.

With better execution in the final 5 minutes this team could easily be .500 right now -- they are hurting themselves. Hopefully, they can get things together and end this month on a more positive note. It's tough to watch the games right now.

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Posted by: bgfgf402 | December 13, 2009 2:34 AM | Report abuse

I think the culture of losing is now planted in the minds of the entire team. It appears the players and Flip are waiting for things to go wrong.

No one should have to tell veterans what to do in critical situations. DeShawn should have called a timeout when he saw his match up on Dunleavy.

Flip, should have known to put the longest line up he could on the floor to force the inbound pass out to the perimeter.

Should have had Haywood, McGee, Blatche, McGuire and Butler/Foye on the floor to close the game.

Here's what we know, Gil/Butler/Jamison on the court together ain't gettin' her done.

It's time to reshuffle the PT. I can take blown defensive assignments and errors on offense and uninspired play from inexperience players, but when it's coming from your veterans, Flip is just begging for a division in the locker room.

Posted by: bozomoeman | December 13, 2009 3:24 AM | Report abuse

Hey if anyone has the game recorded... I tivo'd it but the end was cut off... Look at the NEXT to last play, where Haywood knocks it out of bounds with .5 sec left... I got to see it again but I swear Haywood hit the ball into a Pacer as it went out of bounds! Pacers were last to touch it. It should have been Wizard ball with .5 sec left!

Posted by: Darnell1 | December 13, 2009 9:02 AM | Report abuse

And the refs looked at that play in replay to check the time! How could they miss it was Wizards ball !!???!! The refs in that game were a total joke!!!!

Posted by: Darnell1 | December 13, 2009 9:04 AM | Report abuse

So Barkley and Webber are NOT qualified to comment because they never won a Championship?

I guess that would make Robert Horry Red effin Auerbach...

By that moronic logic, we should never comment on any sport we haven't played at the professional/collegiate/HS/Pop Warner level.

idiotic


Steady Teddy, please right this ship.

Posted by: kahlua87 | December 13, 2009 9:09 AM | Report abuse

Even if you believe Barkley and Webber aren't qualified to comment on the Wizards, they are still right.

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | December 13, 2009 9:23 AM | Report abuse

so somebody tell me how the wiz give up 100+ in 2 straight games and score 100+ in the past 2 games, but lose. colud this be beacuse of their poor shooting % or is i more like Rondo and ray's uncontested dunkfest ve Boston , and Hibbert, Hansborough and Troy murphy mauling our frontline. the defense has to get better the wiz have shown life offensively, but you can't win if you let the other team score more than you.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | December 13, 2009 9:30 AM | Report abuse

Is this the same CWebb who cost Michigan a national championship w/ the infamous timeout call? Barkley and Webber have a combined total of zero championships on their resume'. How many different teams did Webber play on in the NBA, 25? He went through a career as a guy w/ "great potential". I'll agree that the Wizards stink, but these 2 clowns have 0 credibility. Sort of like Matt Millen providing analysis after guiding the Lions to an 0-16 campaign....

Posted by: randysbailin | December 13, 2009 9:34 AM | Report abuse

Let's not get caught up only with how the game ended.

Don't forget that Les BouleS were down by about 16 pts at one time in the game.

That is absolutely not acceptable, and they didn't deserve to win.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | December 12, 2009 11:28 PM | Report abuse
Great post. i was thinking the same thing this game didn't "come down to missed free throws" Indiana was beating the wiz handily during the 2nd and 3rd Qs. Gil's triple double and AJs 32pt jackfest kept the wiz in a game where flip was determined to get contributions from his starters and vets only. maybe it was the old "bench NY to put pressure on the big three" philosophy again, but God this guy is looking like a worse coach every game. I beg the question what has flip sauders ever won? do you get a trophy or plaque for 50 reg season wins??????because it's his fault (and maybe any available big man in the game at the time) that Dunleavy was iso'd with The Locksmith (our best defensive player/lol) 2 ft from the basket. He's the one who called for McGee to shoot a tap in 3pter rather that run him at the rim and try for a lob with .01 left i know it's a stretch, but i'da rather watch that that Javale shoot a tap 3pter anyday.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | December 13, 2009 9:39 AM | Report abuse

BTW I think i can stop being objective and go back to my NY campaign. Flip is a moron for not playing him more. Dom McGuire also deserves to play. He is a "longer" more energetic DS. The season is young still, so there's no need to think about blowing things up right now, but i could do without OLDberto,CB,DS,Foye.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | December 13, 2009 9:49 AM | Report abuse

So...another theory crashes. the trio scored 76 and we still lost. Of course Blatche and haywood stunk it up, so they got no real support.

4 losses by a total of 9 pts. 6 missed FTs last night? come on.

Where is Foye? When is Miller coming back?

Posted by: Blurred | December 13, 2009 10:01 AM | Report abuse

how many mins did AB get last night he definitley seemed like a non factor last night.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | December 13, 2009 10:17 AM | Report abuse

the defense has to get better...

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | December 13, 2009 9:30 AM | Report abuse

lilhollywood10

Why?

There aren't any players on this team that are "D" specialist (other than Dshawn 4 years ago).

So why would anyone believe the players on this team are going to start playing "D" when they haven't played it probably since jr high school.

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | December 13, 2009 10:22 AM | Report abuse

"And the refs looked at that play in replay to check the time! How could they miss it was Wizards ball !!???!! The refs in that game were a total joke!!!!

Posted by: Darnell1 | December 13, 2009 9:04 AM | Report abuse "

Calm down.

Even the two biggest homers in DC who were actually at the game agreed on the following:

a. Gilby was probably fouled on his drive to the basket, but they've seen that the refs don't call this ticky tacky fouls as Gilby tried to draw the blocking foul. Gilby should have just gone up strong and shot the ball, rather than trying to draw the foul and leave it up to the refs.

b. BTW swatted the ball out with .5 seconds left on the clock and TJ Ford missed the shot.

c. Les BouleS looked totally lost/disorganized right before the inbound to Dunleavy.

d. Dunleavy was fouled by MeShawn first...before Dunleavy even go the ball.

e. Dunleavy was fouled again by BTH with time left.

f. Dunleavy HIT BOTH FREE THROWS UNLIKE SOMEONE WE ALL KNOW TOO WELL.

g. Les BouleS did not have enough players on the court with the ball with .1 seconds on the clock.

Yes, those two homers were Phil Chenier and Bucky Buckhantz who, as HOMERIFIC as they are, made and agreed on all the points above.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | December 13, 2009 10:26 AM | Report abuse

"Hey if anyone has the game recorded... I tivo'd it but the end was cut off... Look at the NEXT to last play, where Haywood knocks it out of bounds with .5 sec left... I got to see it again but I swear Haywood hit the ball into a Pacer as it went out of bounds! Pacers were last to touch it. It should have been Wizard ball with .5 sec left!

Posted by: Darnell1 | December 13, 2009 9:02 AM | Report abuse "

No chance.

The direction of BTH's swat was exactly the direction the ball went.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | December 13, 2009 10:27 AM | Report abuse

"His triple double tonight was terrible. I know. He had to be the 3/4th best player on the floor. No sarcasm here whatsoever!

Posted by: rphilli721 | December 13, 2009 12:22 AM | Report abuse "

Geeee, I wonder if his triple double matters more now or his two missed free throws that cost the team the game.....

It's clear now that Gilby chokes on the line. This is the 3rd time, going back to when LeBron whispered sweet nothings in his ear.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | December 13, 2009 10:31 AM | Report abuse

"Hey DCMAN,

You berate people for believing in this team etc...yet, you seem to watch pretty much every game so shut up. Hypocrite!

Posted by: rphilli721 | December 12, 2009 10:24 PM | Report abuse
Nice..Hahaha..good point. Dude watches every single game and then has all the plus/minus and other stats after every game. What a life.

Posted by: ptp23 | December 12, 2009 11:58 PM | Report abuse "

Les BouleS blow and so do you homerific fans.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | December 13, 2009 10:32 AM | Report abuse

just yesterday i said flip needs to go with the hot hand...so he pulls NY when kid was 3-3 AND playing D, showing effort etc.

Mind boggling and truly terrible coaching. But hey Flip, just force feed the 4'2" guy some more, that'll work

Posted by: divi3 | December 13, 2009 10:56 AM | Report abuse

worst of all, javale probably could have thrown down the winning dunk on the whole pacers team had the alley-oop been thrown- they didnt put a body on him.

Flip was pissed at him for trying the putback instead, guess javale will be benched for a month now

Posted by: divi3 | December 13, 2009 11:06 AM | Report abuse

I said it weeks ago this coaching staff is clueless how do you allow Dunleavy to catch that inbounds pass and why wasn't McGee on the floor he should have been guarding the inbounds play,nobody had the common sense to call timeout this was as dumb a situation as i have ever seen but Flip's supposed to be so much better than EJ and don't give me he's got a better won-loss record than EJ he should, he had KG for better than 5 yrs. EJ has been stuck with some terrible squads but that's water under the Anacostia now, i know this Flip and Ernie had better get it together because when Ted takes over those two had better have a plan or they need to go.

Posted by: dargregmag | December 13, 2009 11:14 AM | Report abuse

Maybe the plan is to let the big 3 boost their stats to increase their trade value. We can only hope!!

Posted by: tgif11 | December 13, 2009 11:24 AM | Report abuse

Maybe the plan is to let the big 3 boost their stats to increase their trade value. We can only hope!!

Posted by: tgif11 | December 13, 2009 11:24 AM | Report abuse

Noone is trading for the small 3, noone! Especially Gil and AJ, their contracts are horrific. The only GM that would trade for them is EG, but sadly, he is ours.

Posted by: Utilityman1 | December 13, 2009 11:54 AM | Report abuse

Utilityman1,

If a stiff like Juwon Howard could be moved, there's hope these bums can be moved! And SOON!!

Posted by: 2020doc | December 13, 2009 12:17 PM | Report abuse

lilhollywood" "...this game didn't "come down to missed free throws."

What? Here's the line:

Field Goals:
PACERS: 38-90 (42.2%)
WIZARDS: 45-82 (54.9%)

3 Pt Goals
PACERS: 10-22 (45.5%)
WIZARDS: 8-19 (42.1%)

Free Throws:
PACERS: 28-30 (93.3%)
WIZARDS: 15-23 (65.2%)

Maybe you meant it 'shouldn't' have come down to free throws. But it clearly did.

Posted by: Samson151 | December 13, 2009 12:45 PM | Report abuse

"We're playing good basketball," Arenas said. "We're just not playing 48 minutes of great basketball."

Unbelievable.
If any team played "good basketball" against the Pacers who are playing on the road in a 2nd of a back to back without their star only the truly "BAD" teams wudda lost.

That's what the Wizzies are----BAD.
Hope M. Lee is OK.


Posted by: VBFan | December 13, 2009 1:01 PM | Report abuse

If a stiff like Juwon Howard could be moved, there's hope these bums can be moved! And SOON!!

Posted by: 2020doc | December 13, 2009 12:17 PM | Report abuse

Juwan Howard got moved at the end of his contract, after it caused 5 years of misery, and it cost us a 5th round pick in Devin Harris that I would gladly have manning the point at the moment.

Posted by: Utilityman1 | December 13, 2009 1:16 PM | Report abuse

i guess you could take it that way too, but what i meant was that giving up 114 pts to a team like indiana on the 2nd night of their back to back with out their best player and leading scorer is the real problem, missing fts is just a painfully familiar subplot. A team that doesn't score well in transition, shoots a low ft %, and doesn't have a go to scorer in the post has to defend well to give themselves a chance. If tha wiz were holding teams to 80 pts and losing by 2 then yeah maybe i would cop out to the ft arguement (because there's some truth to it), but these guys are losing in all facets of the game.Tyler,Troy and Dante jones outworked our superstars. we lost b/c we didn't bring it, the defensive intensity was pathetic.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | December 13, 2009 1:22 PM | Report abuse

Juwan Howard got moved at the end of his contract, after it caused 5 years of misery, and it cost us a 5th round pick in Devin Harris that I would gladly have manning the point at the moment.

Posted by: Utilityman1

Devin Harris was a joke in Dallas and you know it. Even now he's an injury-prone softy who couldn't lead a parade. Sheesh!

Posted by: 2020doc | December 13, 2009 1:28 PM | Report abuse

we lost b/c we didn't bring it, the defensive intensity was pathetic.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 |

Familiar story.
No intensity whatever.
Talk about "high hopes" dashed.
Remember before the season started?

Posted by: VBFan | December 13, 2009 1:33 PM | Report abuse

I said the Wizards' December record would mirror Oct/Nov (they were 5-10). So far they're what, 2-4? Right on schedule. They are who thought they were!!

Posted by: 2020doc | December 13, 2009 1:45 PM | Report abuse

"...but these guys are losing in all facets of the game."

I appreciate the sentiment, but they're not. At the risk of repetition, the Wiz hit 7 more FGs than the Pacers (an outstanding 55% of their shots). They hit only 2 fewer 3 pointers at a respectable 42% in that category. The numbers suggest they lost the game at the line, where Indiana had a 13 point advantage.

You have to give the Pacers credit for some superb FT shooting, and the Wiz blame for allowing themselves to fall so far behind earlier in the game, which probably contributed to Indiana's advantage in FT attempts. But IMO this was one of those games that Washington lost rather than Indiana won.

Posted by: Samson151 | December 13, 2009 2:00 PM | Report abuse

They are who thought they were!!

Posted by: 2020doc

They ain't who I thought they were.
Looking at the talent coming into the season I never thought they would be in this situation.
There ain't no wanna.

Posted by: VBFan | December 13, 2009 2:01 PM | Report abuse

There ain't no wanna.


Posted by: VBFan

I would only add that there ain't no gonna!

Posted by: 2020doc | December 13, 2009 2:13 PM | Report abuse

268 posts to date must be a record for a thread topic.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | December 13, 2009 2:15 PM | Report abuse

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Posted by: TheRealBRIDGE | December 13, 2009 2:44 PM | Report abuse

Lost night's loss was terrible after at least playing a well fought game against Boston that could have turned in Arenas hitting 2 free throws to tie in the last 30 seconds. Again last night the Wiz showed no energy, defense, or commitment to rebounding in the 2nd quarter. They let a team playing without its best player on the road in the 2nd game of a back to back come in and get a big lead.

Even after they went ahead by 6 with two minutes to play, they played no D and let Indiana score any easy layup and then didn't rebound an intentially missed foul shot!!! Then Arenas chokes when 2 free thinks with 6 seconds left forces Indiana to hit a 3 with no TO's left to tie. Even though the refs made two controversial (and I would say bad) call in the last seconds, there was no excuse for being in that position accept for the poor foul shooting throughout the game which cost us many points. Jamision and Arenas have hurt us throughout the season with big misses on the line.

Giving up 114 points to a medicore Indiana team minus its best scorer is disgraceful. Arenas needs to take a look in the mirror because he's no longer a clutch player. His foul shooting and inability to make a layup have cost the Wizards in 3 of the last 4 games. I'm tired of excuses and wish the Wizards had not resigned Arenas even if they knew he could give us what he has this season...It's time to blow things up for the Big 3 and it looks like Butler will be the one moved since he has the most trade value at this point.

Posted by: wizfan89 | December 13, 2009 3:47 PM | Report abuse

Wow is Mike on strike from posting new posts? Anyway, I am normally on Flip's side and I pretty much am in agreement with his rotation calls.

However he blew it at the end of the game. He should have had McGee down in the paint for that lob and had Haywood guarding the inbounce pass.

**** Jamison and Gilbert are stinking it up at the line and it is costing us games. Ernie might want to get Hoopla back on the phone and see if he can be hired back on the team.

Posted by: BulletsFever | December 13, 2009 3:49 PM | Report abuse

my prediction for the season was that we'd struggle to be near .500 for the first half and then find our groove post-AS break.

i didnt think we'd suck this bad.

however...personally i am encouraged by what I'm seeing from Gil. Crazy to say after consecutive games with blown FTs right?

Well, I'm seeing the quickness, handle, lift, and shot slowly but surely returning to Gil's game. And I'd rather see him missing FTs than unable turn the corner or get to the rim.

Baby steps. Who knows, maybe this season goes down the can. But the key for the franchise is Gil returning to close to pre-injury form...and we're starting to see glimpses from a physical perspective at least.

Posted by: divi3 | December 13, 2009 4:54 PM | Report abuse

and Flip was totally lost last night when it counted, the loss goes on him every bit as much as it does the players

Posted by: divi3 | December 13, 2009 4:55 PM | Report abuse

I hope the Wizards make the playoffs, but realistically I am looking forward to the Wizards chances of getting John Wall in the draft.

Posted by: Theone9 | December 13, 2009 4:58 PM | Report abuse

divi3,

Maybe Gil's in the process of slaying some of his physical demons, but a new monster has reared its head at the freethrow line.

Posted by: and_1 | December 13, 2009 5:09 PM | Report abuse

@BulletsFever,

I agree. Although I would put McGee on the inbounds player and Haywood in the paint. McGee is much more likely to make a boneheaded foul. Having DS cover the paint was moronic coaching at best.

@DCMANN,

I'm glad in your fantasies that the "homers" Buck and Phil agreed with all your points, but when it comes to facts you are always challenged when they don't fit your agenda. Buck and Phil specifically said that if the foul call was on BH that there was not enough time for him to catch come down with the ball and get fouled by BH. The refs blew that call and the game as GA was fouled every bit as much as Dunleavy twice in the last minute and got no call. And, there was time on the clock when GA got fouled.

Posted by: rphilli721 | December 13, 2009 5:10 PM | Report abuse

The Pacers took advantage of every call they got and the Wizards did not. Game over.
The Wizards had their fate in their hands and Arenas missed both of his FTs. It really is as simple as that.

Posted by: and_1 | December 13, 2009 5:26 PM | Report abuse

the key for the franchise is Gil returning to close to pre-injury form...

Posted by: divi3 | December 13, 2009 4:54 PM | Report abuse

Why, so the franchise can keep losing in the first round of the playoffs?

Hopefully the new owner will have higher aspirations than Abe did.

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | December 13, 2009 6:09 PM | Report abuse

Who has the best chance to win a Championship?
Wizzies?
Nats?
Skinnies?

Posted by: VBFan | December 13, 2009 6:29 PM | Report abuse

None-of-the-abovvies.

Posted by: and_1 | December 13, 2009 6:36 PM | Report abuse

Gave me the chucklies.

Posted by: VBFan | December 13, 2009 6:57 PM | Report abuse

The "Too Big to Fail" Three need another Bailout!

Posted by: mabkhar | December 13, 2009 7:47 PM | Report abuse

Let's say Gil hits all 4 of those ft's and the wiz beat boston and indiana? What would people be saying today?

the haters like dc_mann just live for the losses and piling on while the supposed homers see every win as the start of something big.

truth is, imo, these past few games have been close and could have gone either way. So won or lost, team would be about the same quality.

gotta look for Gil to keep getting better and for Flip to find rotations he likes. The former I am seeing but not the latter.

Posted by: divi3 | December 13, 2009 7:49 PM | Report abuse

"truth is, imo, these past few games have been close and could have gone either way. So won or lost, team would be about the same quality."

That's not how it works. "Quality" teams don't lose games the way the Wizards lost to Indiana or Boston. They man up late and pull it out. The Wizards don't/can't. When the pressure is on they collapse.

There are no moral or virtual victories. It's win or lose. Until the Wizards start winning these games, they don't get any credit for them.

Posted by: kalo_rama | December 13, 2009 8:23 PM | Report abuse

I didnt give them any credit for the losses, just as I didnt give them much credit for the victory up in toronto so many people read too much into. I'm saying the way we win or lose is just as important as the W or L at this point.

Leaning on Boykins and winning a few games was obviously fool's gold as we've now seen.

Conversely, gil's missing these FTs in close losses is not as bad as it seems so long as his play is noticeably improving overall and continues to do so.

Posted by: divi3 | December 13, 2009 8:29 PM | Report abuse

what is going on w/the blog? we don't get coverage for home games anymore wtf?

Posted by: PVGtownAz | December 13, 2009 8:45 PM | Report abuse

"Conversely, gil's missing these FTs in close losses is not as bad as it seems so long as his play is noticeably improving overall and continues to do so.

Posted by: divi3 | December 13, 2009 8:29 PM | Report abuse "

Yes, but it's easier to look good against bad teams.

Pacers were 2-8 their last 10 games.

Last night, they looked like worldbeaters....up by at least 16 pts at one time.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | December 13, 2009 9:06 PM | Report abuse

"what is going on w/the blog? we don't get coverage for home games anymore wtf?

Posted by: PVGtownAz | December 13, 2009 8:45 PM | Report abuse "

Mike Lee must be on vacation.

Gene Wang wrote today's article on the game.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | December 13, 2009 9:07 PM | Report abuse

"Let's say Gil hits all 4 of those ft's and the wiz beat boston and indiana? What would people be saying today?

the haters like dc_mann just live for the losses and piling on while the supposed homers see every win as the start of something big.

truth is, imo, these past few games have been close and could have gone either way. So won or lost, team would be about the same quality.

gotta look for Gil to keep getting better and for Flip to find rotations he likes. The former I am seeing but not the latter.

Posted by: divi3 | December 13, 2009 7:49 PM | Report abuse "

But they didn't, so it's time to wake up from your fantasy world.

You're a hater too...of the truth.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | December 13, 2009 9:09 PM | Report abuse

"@DCMANN,

I'm glad in your fantasies that the "homers" Buck and Phil agreed with all your points, but when it comes to facts you are always challenged when they don't fit your agenda. Buck and Phil specifically said that if the foul call was on BH that there was not enough time for him to catch come down with the ball and get fouled by BH. The refs blew that call and the game as GA was fouled every bit as much as Dunleavy twice in the last minute and got no call. And, there was time on the clock when GA got fouled.

Posted by: rphilli721 | December 13, 2009 5:10 PM | Report abuse "

Sorry, it's not about me.

It's about Les BouleS not meeting the hopes and dreams of the homerifics here who thought they'd be crushin' with all 3 dudes healthy.

I guess not.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | December 13, 2009 9:11 PM | Report abuse

"divi3,

Maybe Gil's in the process of slaying some of his physical demons, but a new monster has reared its head at the freethrow line.

Posted by: and_1 | December 13, 2009 5:09 PM | Report abuse "

The only demons that Gilby has are the ones that he created.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | December 13, 2009 9:12 PM | Report abuse

"I hope the Wizards make the playoffs, but realistically I am looking forward to the Wizards chances of getting John Wall in the draft.

Posted by: Theone9 | December 13, 2009 4:58 PM | Report abuse "

Making the playoffs 3 seasons in a row hasn't resulted in them getting any deeper, or better.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | December 13, 2009 9:13 PM | Report abuse

"Baby steps. Who knows, maybe this season goes down the can. But the key for the franchise is Gil returning to close to pre-injury form...and we're starting to see glimpses from a physical perspective at least.

Posted by: divi3 | December 13, 2009 4:54 PM | Report abuse "

Are you on crack?

As many have noted, according to EG, this team is built to win now...not take baby steps.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | December 13, 2009 9:14 PM | Report abuse

"**** Jamison and Gilbert are stinking it up at the line and it is costing us games. Ernie might want to get Hoopla back on the phone and see if he can be hired back on the team.

Posted by: BulletsFever | December 13, 2009 3:49 PM | Report abuse "

Nobody should be surprised to see MeTawn gets his numbers, but the team loses anyway.

As good a game MeTawn had, look at who he checked.

Troy Murphy, who averages 12-9 this season got 28-12 last night.

Tyler Hansborough who averages 9 pts this season got 19 pts last night.

Both dudes combined shot 92% from the FT line going 11-12.

MeTawn shot 20% going 1-5.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | December 13, 2009 9:20 PM | Report abuse

Nobody should be surprised to see MeTawn gets his numbers, but the team loses anyway.

As good a game MeTawn had, look at who he checked.

Troy Murphy, who averages 12-9 this season got 28-12 last night.

Tyler Hansborough who averages 9 pts this season got 19 pts last night.

Both dudes combined shot 92% from the FT line going 11-12.

MeTawn shot 20% going 1-5.

Posted by: DC_MAN88

Groundhog Day.

Posted by: 2020doc | December 13, 2009 9:25 PM | Report abuse

Ok...here it is: If we had Mike Miller playing, we would have won all 4 of these games. Why? Because unlike Foye, he would have been able to score at least a couple of points. And since we only needed 9 more points to win all 4 games, I think we could have managed.

However...we should be winning at least 2 of these games without Miller and really could have won all 4 without him had we made some damn FTs/hit the clutch shot/made the key stop.

We didn't and that is a problem.

Posted by: Blurred | December 13, 2009 9:34 PM | Report abuse

"I'm saying the way we win or lose is just as important as the W or L at this point."

No, it's not. That argument might fly with a young/rebuilding team that came into the season with low (or no) expectations (like the Pistons). But the Wizards came in with high expectations of success that they've failed utterly to come even close to meeting. There are no good losses in their situation. None. And I guarantee you, every player and coach in the locker room would agree with me.

Posted by: kalo_rama | December 13, 2009 9:38 PM | Report abuse

"Ok...here it is: If we had Mike Miller playing, we would have won all 4 of these games. Why? Because unlike Foye, he would have been able to score at least a couple of points. And since we only needed 9 more points to win all 4 games, I think we could have managed.

However...we should be winning at least 2 of these games without Miller and really could have won all 4 without him had we made some damn FTs/hit the clutch shot/made the key stop.

We didn't and that is a problem.

Posted by: Blurred | December 13, 2009 9:34 PM | Report abuse "

So why are the little 3 being paid what they are being paid when they also need Eminem, a journeyman SF, to bail them out?

Even with Eminem in the lineup, they were still losing.

Keep dreaming up excuses. It's getting harder and harder for you.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | December 13, 2009 9:41 PM | Report abuse

So you are blaming Jamison - who shot 72% for the night and 67% from 3 land for the loss? Yep...I am pissed he missed so many FT's but maybe we could blame Brendan "Soft in the Center" Haywood for getting 5 Off Boards but only one put back and not only hitting only 40% of his shots, but only taking 5 of them.

Or maybe Blatche for the same reasons.

I don't even know how this stat works out, but we were a combined -15 when we had our centers in the game but only lost by 1. Basically, haywood is as bad as I'
ve been saying since June and Blatche is exactly what he is - an excellent player for a mid 2nd round pick. A solid 10-15 minute backup who brings it some nights and doesn't others.

But lets blame Jamison for the loss, even though he played damn near the whole game and kept us in it by shooting the lights out and getting 3 steals (how can that be? he never once in his life ever played any defense - besides, he is too small and too slow and has an ugly shot).

Jamison needs to make his FT's...agreed. but he is not the weak link on this team.

Posted by: Blurred | December 13, 2009 9:46 PM | Report abuse

"As many have noted, according to EG, this team is built to win now...not take baby steps."

how many players are under 30? how many over? My feeling is the season is pretty quickly heading down the toilet, but that taking 50% of the season to become a solid team is just how long it could take given all the newness and variables.

Posted by: divi3 | December 13, 2009 9:54 PM | Report abuse

the three high paid stars are finally getting their groove. the still have some issues, but have their groove coming along.

Maybe the coaching is a problem, but Haywood is a big problem. He is going to get a huge payday this summer, and whoever pays him is going to regret it. I hope it isn't us.

The rest of the team needs to step up. esp Foye. He was on the court for 7 minutes and we got burned to the tune of a -12 during that time.. I am saying we need a team to play well. I don't know why they aren't. If Blatche has his every third game is a great one, then caron goes 3 - 14. If NY lights it up them Jamison scores his 3 times a season 7. If haywood has one of his once a month monster games, then Gil can't make a toss.

Boykins does fine but he is a bit on the short side and has those limits.

Foye sems to have disappeared. DMac means nothing but 6 minutes of rest.
Stevenson has become a real liability. Mcgee gets no love from the coaches. If Oberto gets in the game, then we are in real trouble.

Lets get everyone playing at the same time. And adding Miller isn't going to hurt us.

Posted by: Blurred | December 13, 2009 9:58 PM | Report abuse

Did Troy Murphy score a point in the 2nd half?

The 2nd half D was not bad and often pretty strong. No, that doesnt excuse the piss-poor 2nd quarter...but it does speak towards Gil/Flip talking about playing 48mins

Posted by: divi3 | December 13, 2009 9:58 PM | Report abuse

Haywood's "go to" move is that long stride through the paint ending in with an horrific pie throw at the backboard...makes me sick

Posted by: divi3 | December 13, 2009 10:03 PM | Report abuse

"If NY lights it up"

young was feelin it Saturday, playin D, rebounding, all effort....and Flip pulls him.

crappy coaching right there, enough is enough with the doghouse for this kid.

Posted by: divi3 | December 13, 2009 10:08 PM | Report abuse

One thing everyone seems to be overlooking. The Pacers beat us without their best player, Granger....??? What does that have to say about the Wiz squad? The Wiz also lost to the Pistons twice without TaShaun and Rip. There is something very wrong here.

As much as I hated Eddie's rotations it looks like he had the right offensive scheme to make the so called "big three" work. That Princeton offense seemed to work well for them especially CB.

Flip's offense will work, but I think we might have the wrong players (i.e. CB and Gil) running it. Mike Miller is missed big time. The Wiz should get better when he gets back if it is not too late by then.

Posted by: BulletsFever | December 13, 2009 10:13 PM | Report abuse

divi3,

They always talk about playing 48 minutes, but talking hasn't translated into doing.

Posted by: 2020doc | December 13, 2009 10:16 PM | Report abuse

Gilbert - Key to better free throws for a right hander. Lead with your right foot and put your left foot back like you did this last game.

Next, stop whipping the ball around your back two to three times. Bounce the ball instead at least 3 times to get settled. Keep your elbow locked to your side and bend your knees and then as you come up "release" the ball and flick the wrist. 95% every time.

You don't bend your knees, you don't bounce the ball to get settled; you whip the ball behind your back and you don't flick your wrist. You still "pull the string" like you do on most of your jump shots. Just try it, nobody will know you got better once you read this post.

Lastly, get tape of Mike Dunlevey, Ray Allen and Steve Nash. Look at it while you are in the hotel room and copy what they do. To many free throws is losing games my man...!!! You keep going at this rate, teams are going to start doing "hack-a-hibachi".......


Posted by: BulletsFever | December 13, 2009 10:25 PM | Report abuse

"So you are blaming Jamison - who shot 72% for the night and 67% from 3 land for the loss? Yep...I am pissed he missed so many FT's but maybe we could blame Brendan "Soft in the Center" Haywood for getting 5 Off Boards but only one put back and not only hitting only 40% of his shots, but only taking 5 of them."

I've been saying it all year . . . stop throwing him the ball on offense when (A) there's a defender anywhere near him or (B) he's more than 4 feet from the basket. Nothing good ever comes of it.

Posted by: kalo_rama | December 14, 2009 12:13 AM | Report abuse

What makes Barkley and Webber credible? What were their answers to the conspiracy question? They both sucked up to the league. Webber knows the Kings got totally raped by the refs that game and is still scared to open his mouth. Barkley got, all his fat-ass can say is we all know superstars get calls, but it ain't no conspiracy. Then what the f--k is it? If the commish doesn't make the call, he sure is hell is turning a blind eye and lets it go on. Superstar calls. If you are a superstar, you should not need the calls to win, if you have a good team. Is there another sport where "superstar calls" happen? Ovechkin just got suspended. He is the best player in his sport. I guess in the NBA, they need to put dresses on them like they need to do quarterbacks in the NFL. But there is no conspiracy. Webber and Barkley know where there bread is buttered. That is the conspiracy. $$$$$ So you have to take what they say with a grain of salt. They are puppets. And to think, I thought Barkley had the guts to speak his mind. He fake.

Posted by: G-Man11 | December 14, 2009 8:48 AM | Report abuse

Kalo - I know you and I agree that Haywood is a slightly less than mediocre center. he does a decent enough job getting boards, but at 7', he should be.

Some of his supporters almost had me convinced that he was an above average center,but I am back to reality again.

Can we package him with James for a real center? Isn't there an awful team somewhere with a good center that needs an extra $12 mil of space at the end of the season?

Divi3 - I don't know why you pull NY when he is rolling. He only does one thing really well and when he is on it, you gotta ride it. He is getting beeter at D but really, his role is nail some jumpers and get an occasional dunk. If he is nailing em, let him go. who was he pulled for? Foye? DSteve?

Posted by: Blurred | December 14, 2009 9:13 AM | Report abuse

"What makes Barkley and Webber credible?"

You mean other than the fact that their criticisms of the Wizards were spot on?

Posted by: kalo_rama | December 14, 2009 11:24 AM | Report abuse


kalo_rama wrote:
"'What makes Barkley and Webber credible?'

You mean other than the fact that their criticisms of the Wizards were spot on?"

They're not wrong and I'll take it from Barkley. But having Webber say it was like Bowden criticizing the Nats signing Pudge as 'another bad Nats FA signing' the other day. C-Webb was a beast and a stats monster, but had a habit of disappearing when things got tight. Of forcing jumpers instead of working down in the paint and really developing a low-post game that would help his team win in the playoffs. And playing ole defense. And would miss clutch free-throws. I understand it's his job as an analyst to call people out, but considering everything he accused the Wiz of were also hallmarks of his career, especially in DC, it just leaves a bad taste in my mouth.

I'm still hanging on to the idea of this team learning the new O and D systems and that they'll be playing better after the all-star break.....but it's getting harder and harder to hang on. I tend to agree with Kalo that there really are no moral victories for a close loss with these Wiz. They did play great in the 3rd to catch the Pacers, but only after playing horribly in the 2nd and then letting it slip away in the 4th. There is no consistency on O or D. They'll play great stretches of D, and then totally fall apart. When you have no answer for a guy like Troy Murphy, there's a problem.

And the Stevenson experiment really needs to be over. If I have to watch his scoliosis jumper ALMOST go in one more time.....My problem with NY has always been that he has been a strictly one-way player, but I have seen more effort from him on the D end this season. At least in the games I have watched, he has been hustling for the most part. To the point where I would rather live with his play and let him learn, than deal with anymore DS.

Posted by: ts35 | December 14, 2009 12:28 PM | Report abuse

Did Troy Murphy score a point in the 2nd half?

The 2nd half D was not bad and often pretty strong. No, that doesnt excuse the piss-poor 2nd quarter...but it does speak towards Gil/Flip talking about playing 48mins

Posted by: divi3 | December 13, 2009 9:58 PM | Report abuse
i dunno bout troy, but i think Psycho T had 18 in the 4th q alone.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | December 14, 2009 12:53 PM | Report abuse

In answer to the original question, Murphy had 10 in the 3rd. He didn't have to score in the 4th as the Hansborough went off for 15 from halfway through the 3rd to the end of the game.

Posted by: ts35 | December 14, 2009 3:33 PM | Report abuse

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