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Clippers 97, Wizards 95

After that one, all that I can say is that the Wizards are some creative guys. They really know how to script the most excruciating losses imaginable. The Wizards already delivered the Gilbert Arenas missed layup against Toronto and Arenas's missed free throws against Boston and Indiana (not to mention the referee review that rewarded Mike Dunleavy with two free throws with 0.1 seconds remaining).

On Monday, the Wizards squandered a 17-point second-half lead, rallied back from an eight-point deficit with three minutes remaining, then failed to get off a potential game-tying shot as they lost 97-95 to the Los Angeles Clippers and the senior Dunleavy. At least on this night, Arenas won't have to take the blame for how the game ended. That's because he wasn't around for the finish. Arenas fouled out with 2 minutes, 51 seconds left, picking up his sixth foul when he tripped Clippers center Chris Kaman.

Caron Butler tried to carry the Wizards in Arenas's absence and scored nine of the Wizards' final 11 points, including a three-pointer that brought the team within 96-95 with 11.8 seconds remaining. But after Clippers guard Eric Gordon missed 1 of 2 free throws, the Wizards were unable to get the ball in Butler's hands to tie the game or win it. Earl Boykins, in the game to finish with Arenas turned to spectator, dribbled the ball up the floor then lost it off his leg.

It was a truly difficult night for Boykins, who committed a terrible foul on Baron Davis with 0.3 seconds left at the end of the third period. Davis was just beyond the three point line when he threw the ball at the rim and Boykins hit his arm. The three free throws helped the Clippers close within 69-67 at the end of the fourth period.

After the game, Arenas and Butler both talked about Flip Saunders's substitution pattern, which was largely responsible for the Wizards blowing that huge lead. Antawn Jamison gave the Wizards a 67-51 lead with 5:23 left in the third, but Saunders replaced Butler with Dominic McGuire. Shortly thereafter, Saunders sat Arenas after Arenas committed a turnover and his fourth foul.

The Wizards hit a serious lull with five missed jumpers and three turnovers and the Clippers took advantage by scoring the next 13 points and closed within 67-64 when Gordon drove right down the lane for a layup. Dominic McGuire ended an almost five minute scoring drought when he caught a pass from Nick Young and dunked to put the Wizards up by five. Then came the Boykins foul on Davis.

"I felt we subbed a little bit too early," Arenas said. "I picked up that fourth foul and then I had to sit. Baron Davis brought some life back into them. By the time the fourth quarter came and I got back in, we was down. We got to find a way to sustain leads. We get up, people get relaxed and start doing things they don't need to be doing."

Said Butler, "It was a situation where coach, I think thought he had to take some of us out. we had a nice run going and I think Gilbert picked up a fourth foul. I came out. Antawn Jamison was hot, so he was still out there. But Baron Davis, some of them guys got into a rhythm and felt a groove. A team like that, with so much talent, gets a rhythm, it's kind of hard to cool them off."

Remember when the Wizards couldn't get Arenas, Butler and Jamison clicking on the same night? Well, after the trio combined for 76 points against Indiana, they combined for 70 against the Clippers. Problem was, the Wizards bench contributed just 13 points -- or two fewer than Clippers' reserve Rasual Butler.

"Right now we're having a hard time playing without Antawn and Caron and Gilbert on the floor," Saunders said. "Too much fluctuation. We went to our bench and had too much fluctuation."

And the Wizards are again left to ponder how they lost another close one. This would be getting old if they didn't keep finding new ways to do it.

By Michael Lee  |  December 15, 2009; 3:27 AM ET
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Was at this game..."epic fail" does not do the game justice.

I got a message from the Basketball Gods when I wore Gil's jersey to this game for the first time when he was actually playing, was sitting like 15 feet away from him for most of the game, and he fouled out.

Posted by: Crunkenstein | December 15, 2009 4:15 AM | Report abuse least we got the truth behind this loss from the players and coach. Problem is there are few solutions besides playing Foye and benching Boykins. Didn't we trade for Foye to be our back up PG essentially???

By the way, Kal, I forgot about the dumbest play of the night being committed by Boykins. Giving three points away at the end of the third. So, he was responsible for this loss as much as anybody.

Posted by: rphilli721 | December 15, 2009 5:09 AM | Report abuse

right now this entire organization is on below-average status. The organization, the coaches, training staff, players...all of them! the scary thing is that there is probably no PLAYER or combination of PLAYERS or COACHING philopsophy that can "right" this ship. it truly looks like the answer(s) to turning this "train-wreck" around is not in the wizards organization...oh, hold up...wait a minute...listen...can you hear it, it's faint but if you listen real close you can hear it..."there's always next year" where have i heard that before (redskin park maybe)!

Posted by: ronniecope106 | December 15, 2009 5:10 AM | Report abuse

Here is what I would like to see and I think it will help.

Starting lineup:


Second quarter subs:


I would have Butler subbing first at the end of the first quarter and bridging the gap between starters and the second unit. He then becomes the primary guy of the second unit along with Foye and Young. Then Blatche can be one the first starters to trickle back into the game depending on how things are going. And, if need be, all starters in by the end of the quarter. This gets easier when MM returns. But, right now, we need to maintain offense and the drop off is too precipitous at the moment. Boykins does not play for me unless Foye or Arenas are hurt. I imagine the way things are going Flip will give Boykins mins even when Critter is ready to play again, which is just mind boggling to me. The other thing I like about his lineup is that Blatche seems to play better when he starts or maybe it's just that he doesn't have to play with the offense killer.

Posted by: rphilli721 | December 15, 2009 5:29 AM | Report abuse

By the way, I would probably lean towards McGee in that second unit so you have McGee and McGuire for defense and the remaining three players being more offensive with Foye being a little of both. To me, this team has lineups that are either leaning too heavily offensive or defensive and there is never much balance. If McGee plays well for the 7/8 mins of the 2nd quarter, I might give him more mins the second half, but virtually every night he plays more than half the second quarter.

I would push tempo with both units as we have been doing the past few games. Remember Foye lobbing to McGee at the beginning of the season? To me they had a little chemistry. Tired of these lame azz lineups that don't pass the smell test. Develop some continuity FS! Your the coach and the one that was preaching it in the preseason.

Posted by: rphilli721 | December 15, 2009 5:38 AM | Report abuse

The answer for this team is to get rid of Flip and his buddy Ernie. I keep saying Flip has been in the Wiz camp for 2yrs and he still don't know the players. How do you go through 2 camps and 20gms and not know. This game should not have been close. WIZ UP 17 AGAINST THE CLIPPERS. A coach looses close games. Flip has no clue. He acts like he's playing video basketball. Flip has killed he spirits of Blatche, McGee and Young.

Posted by: rnbrown4 | December 15, 2009 6:26 AM | Report abuse

The Wizards have a bunch of role players in the starting line up. On any other team they would be coming off the bench. The best player on the team is Sam Cassel. By the end of the season New Jersey might have a better record then the Wizards. The Wizards are one of the worst teams in the league. Ball Don't Lie!

Posted by: paulelucas2 | December 15, 2009 6:32 AM | Report abuse

The reality should dictate the strategy.

In Flip's mind, he thinks he has three All-stars in the Big 3, but he really has 3 average players (at best) when considering both sides of the ball.

Surround 3 average players with Haywood and Stevenson and you don't have much.

The future? Certainly not the Big 3. But Blatche and McGee have potential. Certainly they make a lot of mistakes, but what athletic young big man doesn't?

Put a young premier point guard on the floor with JM and AB and you have a future.

Therefore, EG needs to put anyone and everyone (including draft picks but excepting AB and JM) on the block to get a young premier point guard.

As of now, the veterans on this team are setting a bad example for the young guys.

EG has seen enough to pull trigger without remorse. If he doesn't, the new owners will need to make a move.

Posted by: Izman | December 15, 2009 8:20 AM | Report abuse

The tradition of basketball purist and playing the game the right way is probablys Flips biggest problem.

DS should not be getting the pt he is getting. FO should not see the court until this Team is playing better and can use what little positives he has.

Boykins has proven he should only be a spot player and not a major role player.

When we need to show dominance in the paint play BH, JM, and AB for a little stretch together.

When you play long stretches without all using all your best players, JM, your Team will suffer for it.

Performance and production should be the measurement on the floor. The players have got to know this.

Right now there is no accountability for good performance and production. Flip is blowing it.

At times great players makes coaching easier. Flip does not have that luxury. He has to coach this Team to success and he hasn't figured how to get them winning, yet.


Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | December 15, 2009 8:23 AM | Report abuse

I didn't get to catch the game, but the comments on here don't match the box score.

EVERY starter had a positive +- including DSteve's +12

EVERY bench player had a negative +- including McGuire's -19 in 8 minutes.

So lets make a deal. either we acknowledge that Dom is awful and DSteve should play all game long or we decide that the +- is virtually meaningless and ban it from discussion here.

When i saw Soft Center's 12 /12/4 stat line, I thought "hey, he had a decent game"

Then I saw Kamans 23/11/3 with 2 steals and realized that even when he has a decent game, Haywood is the worst Center on the floor.

Package haywood and James for a future pick and a solid 20 minute back up center and let Mcgee go at it. We all know he is going to blow some plays, but we are losing anyway and this way, we will at least have to get some respect inside. Right now everyone knows that it doesn't matter if Haywood gets the Off Board, cuz he is just gonna lose the ball anyway or miss the putback.

Posted by: Blurred | December 15, 2009 8:39 AM | Report abuse

Why is sorry Stevenson playing at all. He is useless. How can a shooting guard play 24 minutes and score 2 points. That is a waste of time and like I always said, if he plays major minutes, they will lose everytime. Foye played 5 minutes and had 4 points, sorry Stevenson played 24 minutes with 2 points. Marv Albert said on national TV that Stevenson had the ordacity to cool off has hand after he made a lucky shot with that ugly a_ _ jump shot.

Posted by: ellis125 | December 15, 2009 8:42 AM | Report abuse

Blatche is not the future of a successful NBA team. He is a completely competent back up 3-4-5 who should not be relied on for more than 20-25 mpg most of the time. There is no problem with his game, but he is not consistent and is not someone to build around. He is a piece you put around franchise players.

Posted by: Blurred | December 15, 2009 8:46 AM | Report abuse

When they had the lead, Butler and Jamison each took an ill-advised jumper which combined with a couple of sloppy turnovers got the Clippers on a roll.

The best players on this team tend at critical times to play with an amazing lack of intelligence. When you've lost 4 games in a row and obtain a 17 point lead in the next game, you really buckle down to play your best ball. You don't start free-lancing and playing schoolyard ball as if your record is 20-3.

I don't know what has happened with the bench. I do know the bench lacks talent as you'd expect from a bunch of players hand-picked by a hack like EG. But even this group can't be THIS bad. Last night they had a collective +/- of -58!!! DMac had a -19 in only a few minutes. Foye was little better and for the life of me I don't know what has happened to him. Have FS's substitution patterns destroyed the self-confidence of these guys?

Boykins' foul at the end of the first half should get him immediately booted off the team. Wasn't committing a foul like that what got NY in Flip's doghouse towards the end of the pre-season?

Despite their lack of intelligence on the court, you can't blame the starters for this loss, they obviously outplayed the Clippers' starters, and with some help from the bench this game would have been a laugher.

Posted by: shovetheplanet | December 15, 2009 8:47 AM | Report abuse

But Ellis, Foye had a negative +- and DSteve was + 12.

Posted by: Blurred | December 15, 2009 8:48 AM | Report abuse

"I felt we subbed a little bit too early," Arenas said."

I felt that way in the second quarter also.

"Boykins has proven he should only be a spot player and not a major role player."

100% agreed.

I'm going to say it again, it's not fair to Boykins to have him come in and be "the man" when he wasn't even in the league a month ago.

How injured can Foye be? Is his ankle still hurting? I thought he was playing really well up until then.

I guess the problem I have is bringing players like McGuire in when he is essentially a bench warmer.

Also, you can't tell me that Miller coming back is going to solve all the problems. Like boykins, that's not fair to Miller.

I think Flip needs to trust his starters more. In the pre-season he said he was only going to have an 8 man rotation, yet it seems like he's trying to make everyone happy.

Flip, use your horses as long as possible. Blatche, Foye, and McGee (in short stretches for Haywood), should all be your subs.

Miller should start when he's able to.

I like Boykins but he's playing WAY too many minutes.

I agree with everything Larry said above. I thought to myself while watching the game,"Why are they subbing in the 2nd quarter so soon?"

And then it happend later in the game.

Then they lost. :(

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | December 15, 2009 9:03 AM | Report abuse

I said yesterday if they lose all four they are in trouble,there's something missing(obviously!!)with them killer instinct, something, up by 17 on da roach Clips and you let them back in the game i said it before this coaching staff ain't got a clue. Earl Boykins should not be on the floor down the stretch don't get me wrong i like Earl because he changes the pace but he can be exploited when the game is on the line and why are you paying Gil 111 million? he needs to facilitate the offense as the game winds down that was the beauty of the Princeton when EJ was here it was designed to get you easy shots,well they had better get it together and soon.

Posted by: dargregmag | December 15, 2009 9:36 AM | Report abuse

The team IQ matches the number on Arenas' jersey!
When you go up by 17 you don't have to shoot desperation long-range jumpers early in the shot clock, but that is exactly what the Wizards did last night and, predictably, they lost. Jamison had the best night offensively but he made some of worst decisions down the stretch with his shot selection. He either didn't realize or didn't believe that his wet jumpers had gone dry. Meanwhile, the Clippers scored in a variety of ways and actually had more poise than the Wiz. Another disappointing loss!
Barkley and Webber don't look so stupid now for saying the Wizards are a bad, rudderless team, do they? Maybe it was a case of two blind squirrels finding a nut, but they got it right about this woeful squad!

Posted by: 2020doc | December 15, 2009 9:41 AM | Report abuse

Was at this game..."epic fail" does not do the game justice.

Crunkenstein said"I got a message from the Basketball Gods when I wore Gil's jersey to this game for the first time when he was actually playing, was sitting like 15 feet away from him for most of the game, and he fouled out."

Hey Crunkenstein ... did you have on a Washington National's hat? If that was you, you got a lot of TV face time, and Buck and Phil talked about you. They said you had to have some kind of connection to the Washington area! Way to go!

Posted by: original2cents | December 15, 2009 9:41 AM | Report abuse

so now that the offense is clicking a bit better and the big 3 are scoring 60+ over the past few games; can we try a lil harder to stop the other team from scoring?sure DS playing more has gotten more outta tha 3, but you get a lot less from NY including the defense that held wade and iggy below a dub each (Eric gordon with a cool 29 last night for tha locksmith).

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | December 15, 2009 9:41 AM | Report abuse

At this stage, I think Flip's lack of conviction as it relates to his rotation is hurting the performance of his team, particularly Randy Foye and Nick Young. Those two guys, along with Blatche, have to and should provide scoring for the second unit. I would bring Foye off the bench as a 2 along side areans, then bring in NY for arenas and move foye to 1. This assumes that Saunders will continue to do the absurd by starting DS. However, when Miller gets back, DS should not play at all and Foye and NY should be the primary subs at guard.

Posted by: ZardsFan1 | December 15, 2009 9:45 AM | Report abuse

I don't think the answer is throwing out there young athletic players without developed basketball skills (and with no or almost no post-high school experience) and having them learn from their mistakes. If it were that easy every bad team would do that and become good in a year or so. Even the Clippers could get good.

One reason for this, I think: the game is played inside the head. Maybe more than other sports are. Maybe that's why it's so interesting (and frustrating) to follow.

Posted by: BPupp | December 15, 2009 9:47 AM | Report abuse

it's funny u say that BPupp, B/c that clips played Gordon and thornton a lot their rookie seasons, and deandre jordan a second yr guy gets a fair share of mins too (he definitely plays more than javale). I'm not saying that they are a good team, but they were good enough to beat the wiz last night using a nice mix of 2nd and third year players whom they allowed to play through some mistakes and get real game experience. What good is Mcgee to our team if he's only good in practice? Same goes for all of our young players that don't "deserve" mins. If they're not good enough to get on the court, why hold onto them?

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | December 15, 2009 10:01 AM | Report abuse

Blurred, forget all of that positive and negative stat mess, Stevenson is just sorry. You can't have your shooting guard playing 24 minutes and score 2 points. That is as negative as negative can be. How he got a contrat extension is beyound me. I would bet that he has the worst stats of a shooting guard in this league and the D league which is where his sorry a_ _ should be.

Posted by: ellis125 | December 15, 2009 10:07 AM | Report abuse

"When you've got your foot on a team's throat, you got to go ahead and finish them off. We were up 16, 17, we got to go ahead and turn that into 20, 21 and then coast in the fourth quarter," Haywood said. "The problem was, that third quarter, the end of the third quarter, we let them get their confidence going and that basically rolled over into the fourth quarter. It's time to stop fighting from behind and doing the right things when we have the lead."


You do not "coast" in the fourth quarter. Clear evidence that the Brendan & Co. do not know it's a 48-minute game.

Posted by: 2020doc | December 15, 2009 10:14 AM | Report abuse

Can't you guys take a joke? Geez!!

Posted by: artiesliver | December 15, 2009 10:17 AM | Report abuse




Posted by: Kev29 | December 15, 2009 10:21 AM | Report abuse

First of all the amount of bench points scored is generally irrelevant because it's mostly a function of court time. If you're starters are averaging 39-40 minutes a game there's not much time for your bench players to get any time on the court and they're certainly is not enough time for them to build stats unless they're gunning
The Wiz big three dominate time, shots and ball control thus the irrelevancy of bench points. Also total points usually dictate winners.
This team is pathetic, no revelation there.
Once again the best lineup remains for me, and it showed itself against Indiana...AB, AJ, CB, GA, NY.
It is the most fluid, dynamic, skilled we have.
BH is a killer. Yes he is trying for him. Still too unskilled and unathletic for this league. He is at best a 12-15 minute sub. The problem has always been his perspective that he is better than he is. Thus an attitude problem to happen. Offensively he and CB, AJ and GA are playmaker killers. They Jack up whenever they touch the ball. At least AJ can score.
DS BH FO and DM have to go, to be replaced with younger athletic and skilled players. Who have foot speed and can guard someone.
I also feel that CB should be
On the trade block, as he should have some value still. He is a former all star, based on past circumstance who is trying to recapture that impossible stature, with no apparent interest in the team concept.
Blow this vet team up and go young, or we are just wasting time.

Posted by: mricklen | December 15, 2009 10:25 AM | Report abuse

i've been optimistic about this team for the last years while we endured what I thought was terrible luck.

Fact is, the total is somehow less than the sum of the parts. 7-15, huge payroll, terrible culture.....

Blow it up.

Posted by: TheFunBunch | December 15, 2009 10:26 AM | Report abuse

"So, he was responsible for this loss as much as anybody."

Seriously, give it a f*&king rest already. Everybody who played had a hand in the lost. Boykins was no more responsible than anyone else. Besides, it's not like I care. I said weeks ago that it was only a matter of time before he came back to Earth and that they should milk him until he ran dry. So it's like I have any rooting interest in him. But if you think sitting him will magically improve this team's fortunes, you're even more in need of a clue than usual.

Posted by: kalo_rama | December 15, 2009 10:29 AM | Report abuse


"It's not like I have any rooting interest in him."

Posted by: kalo_rama | December 15, 2009 10:30 AM | Report abuse

Didn't see last nights game but it seems like the usual. Chucking up shots early in possesions which helps give away leads. Arenas was 1-7 from three and 4-14 from the field. How did this effect the outcome?

Posted by: Realness1 | December 15, 2009 10:37 AM | Report abuse

Unacceptable...The rotations leave something to be desired with me as well.

Playing starters basically the whole first quarter and backups half way through the 2nd hasn't be very effective.

I really want Boykins to go away. I notice he has fewer and fewer fans on the board now...LOL

Posted by: SDMDTSU | December 15, 2009 10:40 AM | Report abuse

Listen up.

I don't care how many games are left, this season is over and Butler and Jamison must be traded! If you don't know by now that this team is what it is, you are clearly delusional.

It is imperative that Flip give the "Mediocre Three" heavy minutes up until the trade deadline and the greenest of green lights to shoot at will and keep Stevenson in the lineup to further increase the MT's scoring averages. Flip mustn't monkey around with any of their minutes or get cute by experimenting with bringing one of them off the bench! As I've stated before, Gil's not going anywhere, but Jamison and Butler can/must be moved.

Think "long-term" everybody!

Posted by: melodious_thunk | December 15, 2009 10:42 AM | Report abuse

The Zards are an interesting study.

This team doesn't need a coach, it needs a month at the Mayo Clinic with a Psychiatrist.

As fans of this franchise, we have, over the pass 20 some odd years, seen enough bad basketball from: untalented rosters, too old rosters, too young rosters, too injured rosters, too disgruntled rosters or too incompetently coached rosters, to know that this team doesn't fit any of those categories.

This team doesn't have a bad roster, Flip isn't a bad coach, and any dissension in this locker room is from the dissappointment of underachieving, not from players having a dislike for each other.

In all my 40+ years of watching this franchise, this year has certainly been the most puzzling.

Izman made a great point in a previous post on this string. The "Big 3" may have been big in a Princeton run offense, but that doesn't insure success in any offense.

We all focused on Flip and his point guards, maybe we should look at Flip and his PFs.

I like Twan, but he's not to be confused with The Big Ticket or Sheed.

Perhaps Flip would be better served by not letting past laurels dictate playing time and play to talent that meshes with what he's trying to accomplish.

Posted by: bozomoeman | December 15, 2009 11:02 AM | Report abuse

what struck me the most is the team's inability to stop runs. when a team would roll off 8 or 10 in a row, eddie would isolate gilbert on the wing or run the pick and roll with AJ and that bucket would kill the opposing team's momentum. caron's emergence at the end of the last game suggests that it might make sense to have him chair a second unit, as someone suggested earlier.

Posted by: thickman22 | December 15, 2009 11:03 AM | Report abuse

Lay off "The Closer" SD he's money in the 4th Q LMAO

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | December 15, 2009 11:11 AM | Report abuse

I think that Arenas is the problem. I don't think that his body is as much a problem as his head. I don't see Gilbert being the point guard here. We need a good, quick, starting point guard who is good defensively. This will give Arenas a chance to be the point guard some time which is about all he can handle. I don't really care who goes--but not Jamison. The team is going nowhere with its present set of players.

Posted by: JoeC2 | December 15, 2009 11:19 AM | Report abuse

Lay off "The Closer" SD he's money in the 4th Q LMAO

I wish he would close his career and go back to Italy. Dude pounds the rock so much its ridiculous. He's dribbling at the top of the key until its 10 seconds on the clock and then scrambling to make something happen.

Like the Milwaukee game he does that and has to shoot a arcing fallaway over Bogut. Yes it went in but that's not what you want or should count on. I can't stand him.

Posted by: SDMDTSU | December 15, 2009 11:27 AM | Report abuse

why wouldn't the team draft a point guard in the offseason if the need was so dire?hey mike lee spot on reporting of the game now how bout some inseder info on Javaris Crittendon

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | December 15, 2009 11:28 AM | Report abuse

Anybody wanna talk about flip gettin 50 wins with KG 4 years ago? Anybody wanna bring up this resume now? This guy might be one and done. Didn't that happen somewhere else?

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | December 15, 2009 11:35 AM | Report abuse

...rather didn't that happen to him somewhere else?

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | December 15, 2009 11:37 AM | Report abuse

Honestly. I wouldn't mind seeing Critt back in the lineup. I'm not on Larry's levels. Javaris can't save the season...but he's 6'5'', quick and pushes the pace and works hard on defense.

He can run the offense and let Gil play the 2...but still guard the SG's on defense.

Very few teams have PGs with his size and I think he can be good for the team.

Posted by: SDMDTSU | December 15, 2009 11:38 AM | Report abuse

interesting how they're openly questioning Flip's rotations. Also notice that Flip commented AJ takes too many 3s about 6 games back, and AJs response has been to take more 3s than he normally does. And actually hit them.

Maybe some tensions between the new coach and the 3 guys who feel like they run the team?

Natural when you're losing I suppose.

I wonder what Foye has done to lose his PT. Sneeze the wrong way? Not hold the door for Flip once? Forget to say thanks for the ipod?

Posted by: divi3 | December 15, 2009 11:39 AM | Report abuse


Foye told the joke that made NY smile

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | December 15, 2009 12:00 PM | Report abuse

First of all Michael, thanks for stopping by at halftime to talk to me and my boy. Very cool. The power of twitter!! I think we were sitting behind Crunkenstein and to the left.

The issue was the Wiz could not defend the pick and roll. GA and BH were getting killed by Baron & Kaaman. just abused. And when the double team came they would flip it weakside to R. Butler. Bucket.

And GA is the issue. He didn't score until like 3 mins left in the 2nd quarter. He had chances to shoot but passed them up. And he is rusty. He can't turn the corner like he use to and when he drives in the lane he isn't strong with the ball and isn't getting the foul calls either. I say it isn't skill but mental and physical rust.

Also in the 3rd quarter, the sub patterns were off. They had no offense on the court except for Antawn who was tired and kept missing jumpers short.

Shameful blowing a 17 point lead within 5 minutes in one quarter. Terrible. Flip needs to sit some people down and bring them off the bench. Do something, otherwise it will be another 9-20 party real soon.

Posted by: Levelheadedskinsfan19 | December 15, 2009 12:02 PM | Report abuse


And McGee thought it was funny too.

Posted by: tgif11 | December 15, 2009 12:03 PM | Report abuse

deshawn didnt laugh tho

Posted by: divi3 | December 15, 2009 12:08 PM | Report abuse

"And GA is the issue. He didn't score until like 3 mins left in the 2nd quarter."

we built that 17pt lead with Gil bricking up a 3-12. Looked like he was actually running the offense well tho

Posted by: divi3 | December 15, 2009 12:10 PM | Report abuse

Hey LarryInClintonMD,

Flip is also blowing because he needs to put YOUR BOY Arenas on the bench and move him into a reserver role until he can build some mental toughness and as Gil himself admits, learns how to play again(RIDICULOUS).

Still drinking the Arenas Kool-Aid?? He is a headcase and a choke artist. I made excuses for him in 06 after he choked on that free throw in the playoffs. But the evidence is what it is at this point. He is a choke artist.

More than anything Gilbert and Gilberts contract is 70% of what is wrong with this team. They should have drafted a true point guard instead of continuing on the Arenas express. MAJOR mistake.

So you say move Gil to the 2 except he really is too small to be an effective 2 guard and will be eaten alive on the defensive end by the larger 6-5 -6-6 2 guards.

BTW, what did you say the Wiz record was going to be in December. Post it here again so we can all see how knowledgeable you really are...

Posted by: kevenjones | December 15, 2009 12:17 PM | Report abuse

Oh DS was laughin alright, he and flip were bustin a gut at how they were gonna keep 10 to 20 pts on the wiz bench just by him being in the game over Foye and NY.

And btw, why the hell would you play BTH 40+ mins last night? He played the most mins of all the starters and had the least production (I'm not counting DS, he's just in there to boost the big 3s production)his 12 and 12 is usually enough from him except when he's giving up 23 and 11. My god haywood, you finished the game with 2 fouls?do you think they give you a prize for keepin'em? i'da liked to see BTH risk getting a foul or 2 to play tough on Kaman rather than just let him have his way......oh wait kaman and BTH are about the same size, there's no way he'd get tough with him.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | December 15, 2009 12:19 PM | Report abuse

The team's chemistry currently is awful and it appears that Flip has killed the confidence of Foye who looked like he would be the answer as the combo guard off the bench. Neither DSS or NY should be starters - both are situational players who can help off the bench. MM is the best SG on the roster and will be back in the starting lineup soon. I think the Wizards miss his presence more than people will admit.

Flip needs to settle on a starting rotation and it would make sense to let Foye be in at the beginning to establish a rhythm. Also, Flip needs to realize he needs 2 of the Big 3 on the court at all times or the offense deteriorates. With Miller back, he might be able to get by with only one playing.

Don't understand the BTH bashing...he's putting up double-doubles on a consistent basis and playing tough D. The Wizards are defensive challenged which means he has to come off his man most plays to stop penetration. Kaman had a big guy game but he's also a better center than Haywood. No excuse for losing after being up 17.

Posted by: wizfan89 | December 15, 2009 12:21 PM | Report abuse

apparently there is a size restriction on opponents mcgee is allowed to check.

Posted by: divi3 | December 15, 2009 12:26 PM | Report abuse

Isn't anybody going to jump on this:

Anybody wanna talk about flip gettin 50 wins with KG 4 years ago? Anybody wanna bring up this resume now? This guy might be one and done. Didn't that happen somewhere else?

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | December 15, 2009 11:35 AM | Report abuse

...rather didn't that happen to him somewhere else?

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | December 15, 2009 11:37 AM | Report abuse

Flip wasn't one and done anywhere. 3 straight Conf Finals with Detroit, 9-10 years at MN. Hardly one and done. The guy never even lost 3 in a row before in his career before he got to DC. (Also, the 2 training camps comment is silly; he had one training camp this year and then shook hands for an hour a year ago.) Also, you guys got to lay off Earl Boykins. He had a bad game and made two really obvious, crucial mistakes but he makes the offense run correctly - which (as much as I like Gil) Gil can't do right now. But all that being said, they do stink now and I do think the experiment is over and failed (but I feel no need to jump on Ernie or Flip). I think the idea of trading as many as possible to find a PG who is young, studly, and can play with Gil on O and D is great. We have a lot of pieces but the wrong pieces. I'm in the camp for keeping Gil, Blatche, and McGee, trading the rest for a good-fitting combo of young guys, sucking it up for another 1-2 years, and then going from there. If we're going the OKC route, Butler, Jamison, Haywood, Foye, Miller, Young, and James (b/c of his contract and position) could have some decent value. Then add Wall, Favors, or Monroe in the draft, and we'll be ok. And before anyone jumps on the word "ok" as in how can my goals be so low, I mean good and in the hunt.

Posted by: Urnesto | December 15, 2009 1:26 PM | Report abuse

sorry nesto flip had 3 yer in det which debunks my whole arguement. but the earl thing, i think folks don't wanna invest in all this fool's gold. is earl the pg of the future? no. will earl be the driving force behind our playoff/championship run?no. so let's see one of the guys you sold our draft for last year. If foye's healthy he should be playing over lil earl and even over my man NY. Earl is not the answer to our problems so for flip to trot him out in the closing minutes every night like he's the answer is kinda insulting to us. EG made all these offseason moves, and we're supposed to watch a guy signed off the street who played in italy last year act like he's Agent 0, act like he's gonna save the day every night.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | December 15, 2009 1:44 PM | Report abuse

BTW if people can put the loss to Indiana on Gil for missing the 2 fts with the game tied (or did the wiz have the lead), we can absolutely blame last night/this morning's loss on Lil'Earl dribbling the ball off his foot while looking at the ground.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | December 15, 2009 1:46 PM | Report abuse

Let's be clear. Not having miller is crucial because he may be the smartest player they have and you can't underestimate smarts on a basketball court. If all else was the exact same with everyones strength and weaknesses but all of players had basketball "smarts" we would be above 500 right now without a doubt...and i include flip with respect to this comment.

Player/Favorite Stupid Basketball Move
Jamison: too many jump shots especially later in the game when he is tired and the only offense on the floor.
Haywood: shoots EVERY time he is in the post instead of passing back and forth from the post to create better opportunities for himself or others.
Stevenson: Choosing to shoot any 3 pointer he ever sees
Arenas: Allowing his mind to dictate his play on the court along with way too many turnovers while trying to dribble through everyone
Flip: lack of substitution ability (and everything he did in the indiana game)
Butler: Drives when he should pull up and pulls up when he should drive...

the list goes on but i have to get some work done!

Posted by: IZZY3 | December 15, 2009 1:55 PM | Report abuse

i like it IZZY3, but you should add that AJ shoots the ball every time he touches it, with the exception being the times he inbounds the ball.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | December 15, 2009 2:26 PM | Report abuse

3 straight Conf Finals with Detroit
that's what gets coaches canned nowadays huh? Folks in detroit knew better, this guy is a snake oil salesman. isn't there some story about him cheating carnies or something. Flip is a fraud.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | December 15, 2009 2:28 PM | Report abuse are right..i think he would shoot from out of bounds if they changed the rule...

Let's all play a game: name the "typical stupid basketball move" performed by your favorite wizard player....

Posted by: IZZY3 | December 15, 2009 2:47 PM | Report abuse

Our core offensive players are GA, AJ, CB. They need players in supportive roles around them in the starting five = BH, MM (when he is healthy) but for now DS. DS brings much needed defensive intensity and does not look for his shot often which is a great thing. WAY to much love for an unproven youngster in NY here. He has a great offensive game or two but does nothing but look for his own shot taking away looks for the teams MAIN options. He does not need to be in the starting lineup. But don't get it twisted I love my team first then its players. I am just a dissapointed as most of you but I see progress in this misery. I thought it would come together magically in the beginning as most of you did. But team greatness is built not given so take it easy with the "BLOW it UP" idea. Cause I damn sure dont want to see rebuilding from scratch(that is not to say a trade or two isn't welcome)

Posted by: wizfiz | December 15, 2009 4:04 PM | Report abuse

i think that's a lil hate on a player who has just about proven himself as reliable in the starting role (recently, not over his career). He's shown defensive intensity against big time players and all stars AIggy and Wade (wade had 40 with ds guarding him too). I think it's cool to have your main options do all the shooting if that's the design of your teasm, but once again, EG sold our draft for two scorers from a bad team (Eminem and Foye). So i don't think the design was to ever just have the big 3 score. I do think that AJ and CB have a problem with him getting "their shots", and because of that Flip benched NY .

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | December 15, 2009 4:25 PM | Report abuse

I admire Boykins for what he can do, at 5-5 and 135 lbs. Even so, he was a stopgap brought in because of injuries. Now it is time to go back to Foye and/or Crittenton. Or even Mike James. Need to showcase some guys to make them tradeable.

Posted by: PostSubscriber | December 15, 2009 5:06 PM | Report abuse

All this talk about substitution patterns, bench play, McGee's minutes, what butler ate for breakfast....all that is of little consequence...the only thing that matter is Arenas getting back to being a 100 million dollar man. if that happens they win a lot; otherwise they lose a lot.

Posted by: stevie2 | December 15, 2009 5:17 PM | Report abuse

The guy never even lost 3 in a row before in his career before he got to DC ... Posted by: Urnesto December 15, 2009 1:26 PM

Flip was fired from Minnesota in Feb 2005. Here are a few games played before he was fired and the records. Not only has he lost 3 in a row ... he's lost 5 in a row (reference: ).
Record Game Score Date Won/Lost
6-3 @Dallas 83-83 11/22 L
6-4 Seattle 92-103 11/23 L
6-5 @Indiana 102-108 11/25 L

16-10 Wizards 109-74 12/26 L
16-11 @Knicks 87-100 12/29 L
16-12 Memphis 95-104 1/1 L
16-13 Phoenix 115-122 1/4 L
16-14 @Bobcats 84-102 1/5 L

17-14 Philly 89-84 1/7 L
17-15 @Wizards 114-117 1/8 L
17-16 Lakers 96-105 1/10 L
17-17 Magic 80-87 1/12 L

Posted by: original2cents | December 15, 2009 5:32 PM | Report abuse

All those bashing BH, DS or any of the starters the past few games simply are not watching the same games I am. The starters dominated the Clippers last night, they outplayed Boston, and Indiana. It's the second unit led by Boykins and whatever hodge podge combination of players Flip puts on the court that have been killing us for about 4/5 games now.

Has our talent come together to produce a successful team? No. But, those calling BH and GA or whomever else average players are stupid plain and simple. BH is close to averaging a double double, leads the league in offensive rebounding, and is top 7 in overall rebounding. You'll see how average his next contract is. He's a top ten center in the league right now and when and if he is gone like last year you'll understand what we are missing.

What is the missing ingredient for success with these guys? I don't know. That's what Flip and the players must figure out, but time is running out. Like the Caps a few years ago with Jagr, sometimes well intentioned plans with very good players just don't work and you have to start over. Time is ticking away!

Posted by: rphilli721 | December 15, 2009 6:15 PM | Report abuse


I agree that NY is a great talent and has stepped his game up this year but his role seems better fit with a second unit where his offensive gifts are much needed. Trying to feed to many mouths with one ball in the first quarter is tough and Nick's time will come when I hope he takes that plate haha. (but start with the second unit first)


BH is not the best offensive center out there but he is the defensive anchor and I totally agree that last year would have been much different had he been around and this year he is playing great so I think the knocks are harsh. (some of his shots selections recently have been questionable though)

Posted by: wizfiz | December 15, 2009 7:02 PM | Report abuse

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