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By Alexa Steele  |  December 31, 2009; 8:31 AM ET
 
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Am I 1st finally?

Posted by: rcarter51 | December 31, 2009 8:59 AM | Report abuse

PLAY BETTER DEFENSE.

The philosophy of help defense can cause you to have a porous defense. Helping your Teammate normaly comes once he has lost his man.

However, always going to help when your teammate hasn't lost his man can be fatal. The Wizards always help when help isn't really required which will always result in weak Team defense.

Good teams that I have played on always had a saying.

"Stay with your man."

"Get on your man."

This meant that on defense especially when your man crossed halfcourt you better be picking him up immediately and you stayed with him.

If any man was running around free there was a problem.

"Who's man is that?"

It only took one time for a free man to score and if whomever was responsible did not start picking him up, "whomever" would be sent to the bench.

That dosen't come from individual defensive skills. That comes from a coaching philosophy that required basic man-up defense as a standard.

If you watch the Wizards play, basic man-up defense is not a required philosophy, but always leaving your man to help when help isn't really required is.

That is why their defense is really bad. It is not because the individuals cannot play defense, it is because the Team does not know how.

For, most all NBA teams should and will find a way to score on you if you ALWAYS leave your man to help.

That is coaching.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | December 31, 2009 9:00 AM | Report abuse

Gil is not the Gil from old. You can obviously see that when he plays. Even the refs dont respect him. He has to earn the calls back and you can see him wrestling with that right now... Defense has always been the issue with this team. I hope that Flip Saunders whips these guys into shape or at the trading deadline they need to start making some moves...

Posted by: rcarter51 | December 31, 2009 9:07 AM | Report abuse

Why is it that Teams design offensive plays and philosophy that results in hopefully a free/open/easy shot?

If you have a free shot, or an open shot, or an easy shot, a layup, then your chances of scoring are great. That is why.

Against the Wizards teams do not have to work hard on offense to get those kinds of shots, becasue the way the Wizards play defense they always give those shots to there opponent constantly and easily.

Someone is always leaving their man open. You cannot do that.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | December 31, 2009 9:12 AM | Report abuse

On defense there are times when you have to force the action.

Whenever I see a player with the ball at the top of the key dribbling the ball and the defender is standing off him just watching, it unnerves me. That is leaving your man open.

You have to get up on the man because he has the ball and you are leaving him free to do or set up whatever he wants.

But if you press him and get up on him then all those advantages are now even steven. Getting up on your man and staying with him makes your whole team defense tough.

Besides the Detroit Bad Boys being nasty tough players, they also had the philosophy of staying with your man. On their Team your man had better not be running around free on the court.

It is a basic defensive philosophy that the Wizards have not used for years and still are not using, even under a proven veteran coach in Flip Saunders.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | December 31, 2009 9:27 AM | Report abuse

The art of "Checking Your Man" is to always, all 5 players, "Check Your Man".

If you leave your man for any reason, the Offense then has the advantage.

The Wizards always leave their man open. They are not really checking their man all the time.

That is why they can't play defense. It is a philosophy of how you play defense that is killing them.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | December 31, 2009 9:34 AM | Report abuse

Russell Westbrook scored seven straight points as the Thunder closed out the game and earned their fourth straight victory against Washington.

That iced a victorious homecoming for Durant, who led the Thunder with 35 points, 11 rebounds and four assists, and Green, who had 18 points and four rebounds. Washington's nonexistent defense made 28 points from Jamison, 24 from Gilbert Arenas and double-digit scoring from the other three starters insignificant.

I noticed while the wheels came off CARON BUTLER being fed time and again by his team-mates. And he clanged shot after shot. I swear, I think the "team" was more concerned about seeing every starter score in double-digits than in winning.

Posted by: glawrence007 | December 31, 2009 9:34 AM | Report abuse

Sign HAYWOOD, and MILLER. McGEE is signed long-term. BLATCHE can play defense, at least he's willing to learn. So can McGUIRE as a sub. JAMISON does as well as he can on the defensive end, but I see him as part of the problem there, not a solution.

Posted by: glawrence007 | December 31, 2009 9:48 AM | Report abuse

jamison in no way tries as hard on the defensive end as he does on offense, he can't help being awkward and slow but he never jumps on d ever, if he's your man uncontested shots will come

Posted by: bford1kb | December 31, 2009 10:40 AM | Report abuse

Play with more energy/desire

I chose this over play better defense because right now they strike me as the type that would have to almost forget offense to concentrate on D. Don't know if they can incorperate both. I hope playing with more energy/desire ( all of if not most of the time) would result in better D. and easier baskets on offense.

Another comment to add; in the pick and roll offense, the pick settter needs to be more aggresive after the pick at making himself available (towards the rim/ not fading) I know a lot of people don't like Gil's shot selection but I think that plays a little role in the jumpers.

Posted by: gmac78 | December 31, 2009 11:02 AM | Report abuse

I voted blow the roster up. Only thing that worries me is Arenas will be the one we are stuck with......

I sure hope they find a way to get rid of him. His contract does not match to what he brings. Hopefully he can go to another team and beat us for years to come and show everyone how dumb I am.

But I've seen enough. I made excuses for him when he choked at the free throw line agains the Cavs and we ain't been right since. Then it's just one distraction after another with him and I'm just tired of paying for this and wasting my time and money for what???

Waiting on Ted Leonsis to swing his Ax. And believe me it will swing.

Posted by: kevenjones | December 31, 2009 11:05 AM | Report abuse

Gilbert Arenas
Antawn Jamison
Caron Butler
Nick Young
Mike Miller
Earl Boykins
Mike James
Javaris Crittenten
Javale McGee

Not a D among them

Fabercio Oberto does not have a D in his name but he does have an F as in FOUL

D eshawn stevenson (best perimeter defender)
brenDan haywooD (best post defender)
Dominique mcguire (best all around defender)

ranDy foye has a D in his name but it shouldn't be in it so he shouldn't be re-signed

Posted by: G-Man11 | December 31, 2009 11:07 AM | Report abuse

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/12/30/AR2009123002604.html

Added Jamison: "Something has to change. Either I'm going to go crazy or -- I'm not saying we need to do anything drastic. But we have to change because it's not the coaches. It's not them putting this group together. It's the guys who are in this locker room. The trust that we have in one another. The confidence we have. The energy that we bring. That's what I'm saying when something got to change. Why hasn't it changed? I have no idea. If I knew the question then believe me I would answer it and I would try to find a way to fix it."

Posted by: kalo_rama | December 31, 2009 11:22 AM | Report abuse

"Am I 1st finally?"

Nope, I am. ;)

The only thing I can add to anything anyone has said on here is January should be interesting.

Either the Wiz start playing better or EG is going ot make a trade or two that no one is going to like.

"Gil is not the Gil from old."

Can't believe I am going to say this, but Gil has played as well as he can right now. The only thing that's strapping him right now is that crazy contract they gave him.

If it was half of that, I would be saying that they spent thier money well. The problem now might be even if you trade half of the team away and you still have Gil that it's still going to be hard to put enough people around him to win.

And it looks right now that they are going to dump a lot of people in order to do that. My only hope is that if Boston can do it, then EG can also. The year they won they were pulling bodies out of the stands to fill the roster out. But they did it.

I also thought a few years back that Shaq was untradable, but there he was packing it in for Pheonix.

They can do it, but even if they make a move this season they are going to be strapped until the offseason to really do anything.

It kills me that there is no sense of urgency on this team....none.

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | December 31, 2009 11:34 AM | Report abuse

Dallas knew exactly the best situation for Jamison, which is coming off the bench. He spent only one season at Dallas but it is still the only team that won 52 games with him on the roster. Jamison is a mediocre defender against the starters and his offensive skills are just above average. However, against second teamers and backups, his skill will actually be enhanced and benefit the team. Put Jamison on the bench and play Blatche with the first team. That way you will get instant offense when the starters are resting.

Posted by: JohnWWW | December 31, 2009 11:40 AM | Report abuse

http://www.realgm.com/src_tradechecker/1/

check out how trades work out...

Posted by: jimmy_the_crickett | December 31, 2009 11:41 AM | Report abuse

""Caron Butler, normally upbeat and always one to find a positive lining, replied: "I haven't thought about it yet. I have to think about it on the way home and let it digest, but if he feels that way, you got to go with the coach." Washington Times""

If Caron really said this about Flips tirade, then that's pretty cowardly of Caron. That's taking no responsibility for your sucky playing Caron. I thought you were bigger then that.

"Dallas knew exactly the best situation for Jamison, which is coming off the bench."

A friend and I were talking about this a couple years ago actually. Jamison would be PERFECT on a veteran team, where he would be a complimetary player and not asked to be the star. AJ is the vet player off of the bench who you can count on to spark your team. He can spot start for you and you do not have to worry about.

This is why Cleveland has been begging for him the last two years. They think he's the missing piece and if they trade for him he will put them over the top.

Ok, that is Jamison. Now the question is do you really want to help Cleveland out?

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | December 31, 2009 11:49 AM | Report abuse

I have your answer Antawn. You should accept being a sixth man. In your career, that's the one thing we can point to at which you were best. Come off and give the team instant offense and have better defensive matchups.

Saunders should start Gil, Miller (when he's healthy), Butler, Blatche and Haywood. Reserves - Jamison, McGee, Foye and the rest play as needed based upon the situation.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | December 31, 2009 11:53 AM | Report abuse

Hate to say it, but it looks like it might be time to breakup the big three. Although I can not put my finger on it on what they need. I think the one that makes the most sense to trade is CB.

I never know when he is in the game anymore. However I notice when AJ or Gilbert is not in the game. I think we can slid AB in at the 4 and let AJ slid down to the 3 spot.

Let Mike Miller come in at the 2. I would love to have that Amare S. trade happen now.

Posted by: BulletsFever | December 31, 2009 11:56 AM | Report abuse

I've watched the Wizards blow numerous games by failing to play "basic" defense. One of the readers had it right, they don't play their men straight up, always leaving to help another teammate, even if the teammate has his man covered. They're not even in position to foul sometimes, giving guys clear paths to the basket.

I watched in disgust as Colinson from OKC drove from the top of the key mind you, all the way to the basket untouched in a close game, Colinson? He would not have got past me without getting fouled, and I'm 55 , so I feel you Flip when he says he could guard better than his million dollar "used to be allstars".

You have to "body up", on defense I don't care if its on the playground or the NBA, I hate how NBA players allow the guy with the ball to dribble at the top of the key waiting to pick his spots, as a defender you have to jump him, by that I mean attack him defensively, make him react to you not vice versa. Also I don't see them picking up full court on defense, you have to make the other team work to bring the ball up, use some of the shot clock. Teams always wait until they're hopelessly behind to press.

A couple of final vents: Blache is a talented player but why is he always taking fadeaway jumpers while being defended by smaller players? Oh yeah, they dribble way too much, they should move the ball and make the defense scramble to cover, if they do this the lane will open up they will get open shots.

I could go on and on, when the Wizards are in the penalty, they take jumper after jumper, failing to drive the ball and get fouled, things you need to do to protect the lead and keep it.

I think you have to blow this thing up.

Posted by: fuldon | December 31, 2009 11:56 AM | Report abuse


Jamison would be PERFECT on a veteran team, where he would be a complimetary player and not asked to be the star. AJ is the vet player off of the bench who you can count on to spark your team. He can spot start for you and you do not have to worry about.

This is why Cleveland has been begging for him the last two years. They think he's the missing piece and if they trade for him he will put them over the top.

Ok, that is Jamison. Now the question is do you really want to help Cleveland out?

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | December 31, 2009 11:49 AM

Yes, if we help ourselves in the process.

Posted by: artiesliver | December 31, 2009 12:01 PM | Report abuse

A leopard never changes it's spot's and they will never play defense that's just the truth of the matter.

Posted by: dargregmag | December 31, 2009 12:02 PM | Report abuse

Jamison would be PERFECT on a veteran team, where he would be a complimetary player and not asked to be the star. AJ is the vet player off of the bench who you can count on to spark your team. He can spot start for you and you do not have to worry about.

i wish he knew that. but he thinks he's a 38 min player and cornerstone of tha franchise ( i guess that's why the old man gave him the 111 mill)

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | December 31, 2009 12:09 PM | Report abuse

Once again...

Jamison: But we have to change because it's not the coaches. It's not them putting this group together. It's the guys who are in this locker room.

Even the players admit it's them and not the coaches. They're not following what the coaches are telling them to do.

Change coaches: Jordan, Tapscott, Saunders; but the same weaknesses come up.

Again: What good is changing coaches - or blaming the coaches - if the players don't follow the instructions?

I can't make that any more simple.


Posted by: SteveMG | December 31, 2009 12:13 PM | Report abuse

"Also I don't see them picking up full court on defense, you have to make the other team work to bring the ball up, use some of the shot clock."

One thing that drives me NUTS about the Wiz after they make a basket is they are always "high fiving" and congratulating each other. Then the other team pushes it up and they give up a layup.

Everytime I see that I just want to scream.

Your other assessments are very accurate. :)

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | December 31, 2009 12:14 PM | Report abuse

Play with more energy/desire

I think if the Wizzies played with more energy/desire they would score more and play better (can it get any worse) "D".
Man to man "D" is taught at the Boys & Girls club. Very basic. Stay between your man and the basket. When he shoots put your hand up.
On "O" move without the ball don't stand around.
Obviously the Wizzies need to go back to the basics. They do none of these basics.
They are either out of shape or just don't care about winning and playing the game the right way.

Posted by: VBFan | December 31, 2009 12:27 PM | Report abuse

"They are either out of shape or just don't care about winning and playing the game the right way."

I chose play with more energy as well, because I've noticed they look really lethargic way too often. Crappy trainers possibly, and old legs on AJ.

Posted by: divi3 | December 31, 2009 12:35 PM | Report abuse

Well, there's not much to add, except to say, yep, it's the defense. Or lack of it.

As Saunders admits, the Wiz were never much good on the defensive end, even when they were winning. So why did he agree to coach them? He had to know what he was getting into. He had to believe they were good enough to win.

There are a few things the team hasn't tried, such as playing Dom McGuire more. Might help a little. The Celts weren't a particularly good defensive club before Garnett and Rondo arrived. All of a sudden Paul Pierce, the matador of interior defense, became a stopper. Nothing to prevent Caron Butler from achieving the same. Or if there is, I don't know what it could be.

Posted by: Samson151 | December 31, 2009 12:38 PM | Report abuse

as far as starting lineups, CB is the guy who has done nothing to justify his minutes. We can go on and on about AJ's poor defense, or that he's a better 6th....but you cant deny he does produce, and consistently.

What would AB do with 35 a night? 23/12 one night, then a few 9/4s, before another good game? That's been his pattern. You cant put a guy in the starting lineup because he's proved to you he cant come off the bench consistently, that's assbackwards.

If Miller ever comes back, I'd like to see:

Gil
NY
Miller
AJ
Haywood

with Foye, CB, Dom, AB, and JM all getting solid mins off the bench. And the possibility of eating into the mins of starters who dont perform. Team needs a fire under it's arse, and benching a Big3 while guaranteeing no one else's mins is the only way to light it.

Who knows, maybe Caron's jab step will work on 2nd teamers!

Posted by: divi3 | December 31, 2009 12:41 PM | Report abuse

"There are a few things the team hasn't tried, such as playing Dom McGuire more."

6'8" dog who plays D, hustles, and rebounds before ever thinking of his shot- and he's gotten almost no PT from the coach who FINALLY blew up about the lack of D.

Doesnt seem to make much sense

Posted by: divi3 | December 31, 2009 12:45 PM | Report abuse

Gotta agree with divi3 and Samson151. If Flip is serious, then we should see DM getting more run. My bet is that he will deliver - with good D, rebounding and hustle - just as he did last year. I know there will be nay sayers who will argue that DM brings no offence - but the last thing we need is another guy who jacks up shots and ignores all the little things that DM brings consistently when he plays.

Posted by: pk24 | December 31, 2009 1:16 PM | Report abuse

Jamison would be PERFECT on a veteran team, where he would be a complimetary player and not asked to be the star. AJ is the vet player off of the bench who you can count on to spark your team. He can spot start for you and you do not have to worry about.


i wish he knew that. but he thinks he's a 38 min player and cornerstone of tha franchise ( i guess that's why the old man gave him the 111 mill)

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | December 31, 2009 12:09 PM

who are you talking about AJ or Agent 0

Posted by: rnorris6 | December 31, 2009 1:19 PM | Report abuse

It's hard to imagine playing McGuire more will change much. He's a guy who plays hard and exerts a lot of effort, but one guy trying to play defense on an awful defensive team isn't going to alter a whole lot (unless the guy in question is a high-impact game changer, which McGuire is not). Not to say he shouldn't get more PT, but I wouldn't get my hopes up about the results.

This team is fundamentally flawed and until the foundation is repaired, anything built on top of it will be shaky at best.

Posted by: kalo_rama | December 31, 2009 1:28 PM | Report abuse

"This team is fundamentally flawed and until the foundation is repaired, anything built on top of it will be shaky at best."

True dat.

Posted by: Samson151 | December 31, 2009 1:35 PM | Report abuse

The results I am looking for in playing DM are:

1)He will be more effective defensively than anyone else who has been getting PT

but more importantly

2)It will be a signal of Flip's words matching his actions. Play D and hustle if you want PT.

The great thing about Dom is you can stick him 2-4 for a few mins whenever you want to. CB doesnt gett back on D? Sit down. AJ plays matador? Take a few minutes off. Haywwood playing like he's 6'4"? Throw Dom on some of the smaller Cs for a minute.

Wishful thinking to be sure, but I dont expect this team to ever be defense first or lockdown oriented. I just want the effort on D to be there!

Posted by: divi3 | December 31, 2009 1:38 PM | Report abuse

Also, against a team like Memphis, why not throw Dom on Durant for heavy minutes? AJ can still be on the floor scoring, and KD will have to work for his 35 rather than just blow by AJ time and time again.

I'd like to see Flip more creative with what talent we have rather than lament the lameness of the guys he's chosen to play almost exclusively

Posted by: divi3 | December 31, 2009 1:40 PM | Report abuse

No moves will be made until Miller is back in the line-up with everyone for 20 games. The Wizards have a big hole at shooting guard. Lost in all of this talk of defense is that the team they had a few years ago could count on a shooting guard making open shots (DeShawn). Stevenson had his best year ever. They were not a championship team but they were a play-off team. Miller has been Rookie of the Year, 6th man of the year and selected to the olympic team because of his ability to make open shots. Unfortunately, no one else on the Wizards can make open shots. There is absoultely no one but Miller that a coach says, don't leave him when they drive but Miller. Additonally, the other team's shooting guards only have to play offense when playing the Wiz with no chance of getting in foul trouble. Shooting Guard is the biggest hole on this team.

Posted by: ptp23 | December 31, 2009 1:46 PM | Report abuse

I like Dom's energy that he brings. He can play "D". He also moves on offence.
But one man can play "D" on 5 or can he change the rest of the team to play like he does.
But the "big 3" could get the rest of the team to focus on "D" if they exerted the effort 100%.
That's all it would take is for them to really put the effort on the "D" side the rest of the Wizzies would buy in.
It would also translate to the offensive side too.
A good defense is a good offense.

Posted by: VBFan | December 31, 2009 1:51 PM | Report abuse

"Also, against a team like Memphis, why not throw Dom on Durant for heavy minutes?"

Because, as you note, this team will never be good enough to win with defense first. And giving heavy minutes to a guy who provides little offensively (when you've already got Haywood giving little on offense at C) undercuts what is, ostensibly, the team's strength while doing little to shore up its weakness enough to make a real difference.

Rock, meet hard place.

Posted by: kalo_rama | December 31, 2009 1:51 PM | Report abuse

"undercuts what is, ostensibly, the team's strength while doing little to shore up its weakness enough to make a real difference."

with CB going 3-11, the key word there is "ostensibly."

I wonder just how long nights like that will be tolerated, if you arent hitting your shots or defending....

Posted by: divi3 | December 31, 2009 2:01 PM | Report abuse

We can go on and on about AJ's poor defense, or that he's a better 6th....but you cant deny he does produce, and consistently...

Posted by: divi3 | December 31, 2009 12:41 PM |

Yeah but to what end. His 20/10 line is the most meaningless ever. He's never taken a team anywhere. He's a complimentary guy playing out of position. He seems to find a way to use his quickness on the offensive end to get his shot off but can't seem to find it when it's time to put his body between his man and the basket.

You're funny. You piss and moan about Haywood but show love to an "all-star" whose consistent production couldn't lift his team above 19 wins.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | December 31, 2009 2:21 PM | Report abuse

My guess is that Ernie is going to trade either Jamison or Butler, or both. I don't think he'll trade Gil, because he's really the face of the franchise at this point, and he's the kind of exciting player who keeps fans buying tickets.

Posted by: pjkiger1 | December 31, 2009 2:33 PM | Report abuse

I give Arenas about 10 more games before he is mysteriously out for the season.

Posted by: Utilityman1 | December 31, 2009 2:51 PM | Report abuse

"with CB going 3-11, the key word there is "ostensibly."

True. But which do you think is more likely in a given game: That Butler will get hot and put up 20+ or that McGuire will so completely lock down the likes of Durant, Kobe, Lebron, Carmelo, et al that they'll be nonfactors to the point that the Wiz will have a legit chance to win even without any significant scoring from the SF spot?

Posted by: kalo_rama | December 31, 2009 3:00 PM | Report abuse

who are you talking about AJ or Agent 0

Posted by: rnorris6 | December 31, 2009 1:19 PM | Report abuse
i guess sarcasm is wasted on you. I was talkin bout AJ .

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | December 31, 2009 3:03 PM | Report abuse

"You're funny. You piss and moan about Haywood but show love to an "all-star" whose consistent production couldn't lift his team above 19 wins."

What's funny is treating AJ's stats like they dont count, while touting BTHs supposed defense on a team that by all indicators stinks defensively. I'm the first to say AJs defense is lousy, but at least he's producing on the other end.

BTH is the worst offensive C in the nba, on a team that allows layups regularly and never knocks anyone on their butt around the rim. Not seeing the upside of Haywood's contributions

Posted by: divi3 | December 31, 2009 3:04 PM | Report abuse

"Also, against a team like Memphis, why not throw Dom on Durant for heavy minutes?"

Because, as you note, this team will never be good enough to win with defense first. And giving heavy minutes to a guy who provides little offensively (when you've already got Haywood giving little on offense at C) undercuts what is, ostensibly, the team's strength while doing little to shore up its weakness enough to make a real difference.

Rock, meet hard place.

Posted by: kalo_rama | December 31, 2009 1:51 PM | Report abuse

jeez Kal i though you were gonna tell him that it wouldn't work cuz Durantula plays for OKC not Memphis.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | December 31, 2009 3:06 PM | Report abuse

Yeah but to what end. His 20/10 line is the most meaningless ever. He's never taken a team anywhere. He's a complimentary guy playing out of position. He seems to find a way to use his quickness on the offensive end to get his shot off but can't seem to find it when it's time to put his body between his man and the basket.

You're funny. You piss and moan about Haywood but show love to an "all-star" whose consistent production couldn't lift his team above 19 wins.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | December 31, 2009 2:21 PM | Report abuse
you never read any of my posts before?????? i don't blame you, but for months (last year,during the offseason and preseason) i've said the same thing about AJ and his 20/10 statline that represents his only contributions to the club. As i said yesterday people were firing haywood up b/c a lot of folks seem to think he bears no responsibility for this mess of a season. Furthermore, some people would like for us to think that haywood is more of a player than he really is (which is why KevenJones is BTH).

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | December 31, 2009 3:14 PM | Report abuse

My guess is that Ernie is going to trade either Jamison or Butler, or both. I don't think he'll trade Gil, because he's really the face of the franchise at this point, and he's the kind of exciting player who keeps fans buying tickets.

Posted by: pjkiger1 | December 31, 2009 2:33 PM | Report abuse

This, ladies and gentleme sums it all up, a bum team with bum followers.

Posted by: Utilityman1 | December 31, 2009 3:15 PM | Report abuse

BTH is the worst offensive C in the nba, on a team that allows layups regularly and never knocks anyone on their butt around the rim. Not seeing the upside of Haywood's contributions

Posted by: divi3 | December 31, 2009 3:04 PM | Report abuse

this should be on a plaque somewhere.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | December 31, 2009 3:16 PM | Report abuse

"you never read any of my posts before?????? i don't blame you, but for months (last year,during the offseason and preseason) i've said the same thing about AJ and his 20/10 statline that represents his only contributions to the club. As i said yesterday people were firing haywood up b/c a lot of folks seem to think he bears no responsibility for this mess of a season. Furthermore, some people would like for us to think that haywood is more of a player than he really is (which is why KevenJones is BTH)."

The least fans of this dungpile deserve is the fun in dogging the crap out of any particular player who happens to irk them the most at a given time- no shortage of blame to go around.

Brenda has always annoyed me with her play and comments, so she's taking it now.

But Flip's ugly mug and CBs jabstep arent far behind!

Posted by: divi3 | December 31, 2009 3:23 PM | Report abuse

I do not think the coach is trying to convice his players to be a defense 1st team, he himself is not a defensive coach.There are good teams in NBA who work more on offense but play a good enough to win defense.There also excellent coaches in NBA who work on offense but made the right machup for defense.our club has no clue about the elements of defense or do not want to commit for defense.
If we are looking a defense 1st team like boston,babcats(from the loosers), spurs and cavs it is going to take us a minimum 3 years of rebuilding.
I think EG can do two things at this point
1/ work on a significant roster change, trade AJ or CB with MJ,DS and even AB,foye and /or BH for a dependable PF like brand and a starting SG who can play defense.This can save the season atleast to make it for playoff, if it works for a second round shoot.Then when the season is over, sign MM,BH with less than 6 milion and get a play making PG that could spark the bench.
2/ keep the 22 million and trade AJ by mid season for 1st round pick and expiring contract, let CB go when he is done with contract.No need to look for one diamensinal player like NY any more, we have Arenas who is not going to be picked by any team for the next 4 years.

Posted by: gtefferra | December 31, 2009 3:32 PM | Report abuse

What's funny is treating AJ's stats like they dont count, while touting BTHs supposed defense on a team that by all indicators stinks defensively. I'm the first to say AJs defense is lousy, but at least he's producing on the other end...

Posted by: divi3 | December 31, 2009 3:04 PM

So what he produces. Against OKC he scored 28 but the team was -28 with him on the floor. So his stats don't count. Interestingly, Haywood was the ONLY player with a plus (+5). He averages 10 boards and 2 blks. Both of those are good enough to rank him #2 among centers in both categories in the entire NBA. Overall, he's #9 in rebounding (tied with Duncan) and #2 in blocks (tied with 2 others). To blame him for the team's defensive deficiencies is laughable when NONE of the other current starters can defend even a little. As for offense, he's lucky if he's the 5th option and avg's 9 a game without having plays run for him. I doubt you could find a GM or coach in the league who would tell you that Haywood was this team's problem on either end. I can't say the same for Jamison.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | December 31, 2009 3:35 PM | Report abuse

The small 3 has been given minutes to superficially inflate their stats to make them attractive to potential suitors. EG has been trying for weeks to trade anyone on the team to alleviate the mess he created.
The fact of the matter is no other teams want our junk especially with their astronomical salaries. With a shrinking salary cap next year, no team wants to pay a CB $10 Mill, AJ $13 Mill or GA $18 Mill.(unless somehow EG takes on another GM gig with another team).
So please do us all a favor and stop fantasizing about phantom trades that won't happen unless we get worse junk in return. Stop wondering whether a trade makes sense or not. Stop coming up with dumb trade scenarios that have absolutely no benefits to the other teams.
This is looking just like the Juwan Howard years.

Posted by: Utilityman1 | December 31, 2009 3:36 PM | Report abuse

If they'd just hung on to Darius, Pech, and Etan, and drafted Stephen Curry, I bet they'd have won 10 games by now.

Posted by: Samson151 | December 31, 2009 3:43 PM | Report abuse

The least fans of this dungpile deserve is the fun in dogging the crap out of any particular player who happens to irk them the most at a given time- no shortage of blame to go around.

Brenda has always annoyed me with her play and comments, so she's taking it now.

But Flip's ugly mug and CBs jabstep arent far behind!

Posted by: divi3 | December 31, 2009 3:23 PM

OK. Now I understand. It's personal with you and your criticism actually has nothing to do with basketball. Who knew?

Posted by: learnedhand1 | December 31, 2009 3:47 PM | Report abuse

Go Wiz! Hang in there! It's going to turn around. This isn't the NCAA 30-35 game season. It's the NBA. Put Gil with a shooting guard that can hit the open shot and this baby's going to turn around real fast.

Posted by: ptp23 | December 31, 2009 3:52 PM | Report abuse

"OK. Now I understand. It's personal with you and your criticism actually has nothing to do with basketball. Who knew?"

No, it has everything to do with basketball. BTH has been a big softie since his college days, and we can all agree that his first 6yrs here were not very good bball.

He definitely made some strides in his "breakout" season and many fans joked of him earning the "n" back to the name, I amongst them.

But what I am seeing now is, like I said, the single worst offensive center in the nba who is regularly schooled by offensive bigs and is making his rep holding the krsitics of the league in check.

Again, not seeing the upside there.

Posted by: divi3 | December 31, 2009 4:00 PM | Report abuse

Haywood was the ONLY player with a plus (+5).

what about that -34 rating in 4th quarters this season?

OK. Now I understand. It's personal with you and your criticism actually has nothing to do with basketball. Who knew?

Posted by: learnedhand1 | December 31, 2009 3:47 PM | Report abuse

being fed up with BTH's underachieving arse may be personal, but i'd have to say that anyone who is pleased with BTH and his overall game must be in the tank for him. as i've said BTh isn't the worst, but his game leaves much to be desired. Being the best defender on this
team is like being the tallest midget.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | December 31, 2009 4:04 PM | Report abuse

shout out to ElFreako for tha stats

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | December 31, 2009 4:09 PM | Report abuse

where are you guys seeing stats by quarter for this season?

Posted by: divi3 | December 31, 2009 4:09 PM | Report abuse

elfreako posted that stat yesterday at 9:15 i dunno where he got it from

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | December 31, 2009 4:15 PM | Report abuse

lilhollywood, I saw that and ignored it because I I think he pulled it out of the air. Of the guys with enough minutes to qualify, Haywood and Miller have the highest plus/minus ratings on the team at +10. So how could he possibly have a -34 for the 4th qtr. If that number is true (which I doubt), I can't even imagine what the +/- is for Gil, Jamison and Butler.

You understand that the team as a whole gives up more points than it scores. But this link - http://basketballvalue.com/player.php?year=2009-2010&id=322 - shows that the team does much worse both offensively and defensively when he is not on the court.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | December 31, 2009 4:42 PM | Report abuse

"I doubt you could find a GM or coach in the league who would tell you that Haywood was this team's problem on either end."

That's a fair statement, I personally just think he's soft and get's outplayed by guys smaller then him.

There's a lot of blame to go around, no question. Durant made Caron look stupid by going right around him in the final minutes of the 4th the other night. Caron also has a habit of turning the ball over 4-5 times a game.

AJ has pogo sticks for legs and ZERO lateral movement. Defense is not in his resume.

Gil can play defense when he wants to. I thought him and Larry Hughes were wonderful together his last year here.

Which brings to me a pre-season poll that Mike put on here asking if he thought this was the best/deepest team the Wiz have had in recent years and I said "No." I liked the team the last year Larry Hughes was here personally. They played WAY better defense back then.

Crazy to think isn't it?

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | December 31, 2009 4:48 PM | Report abuse

lilhollywood, I saw that and ignored it because I I think he pulled it out of the air. Of the guys with enough minutes to qualify, Haywood and Miller have the highest plus/minus ratings on the team at +10. So how could he possibly have a -34 for the 4th qtr. If that number is true (which I doubt), I can't even imagine what the +/- is for Gil, Jamison and Butler.

You understand that the team as a whole gives up more points than it scores. But this link - http://basketballvalue.com/player.php?year=2009-2010&id=322 - shows that the team does much worse both offensively and defensively when he is not on the court.


Posted by: learnedhand1 | December 31, 2009 4:42 PM | Report abuse

his value should be evaluated in terms of what he does when he's out there. They may do worse when he's not out there but not by much ( i think 4 pts in both directions Pts scored and pts against) furthermore there are a myriad of factors that could contribute to that stat. i'm not huge on the +/- ratings either way. My own 2 eyes can tell me when BTH is on tha job and when he's not. Uncontested dunks and layups, giving up offensive rebs, not finishing around the basket despite being the biggest thing on the floor most nights..... the list goes on.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | December 31, 2009 4:50 PM | Report abuse

lilhollywood, I saw that and ignored it because I I think he pulled it out of the air. Of the guys with enough minutes to qualify, Haywood and Miller have the highest plus/minus ratings on the team at +10. So how could he possibly have a -34 for the 4th qtr. If that number is true (which I doubt), I can't even imagine what the +/- is for Gil, Jamison and Butler.

You understand that the team as a whole gives up more points than it scores. But this link - http://basketballvalue.com/player.php?year=2009-2010&id=322 - shows that the team does much worse both offensively and defensively when he is not on the court.


Posted by: learnedhand1 | December 31, 2009 4:42 PM | Report abuse

his value should be evaluated in terms of what he does when he's out there. They may do worse when he's not out there but not by much ( i think 4 pts in both directions Pts scored and pts against) furthermore there are a myriad of factors that could contribute to that stat. i'm not huge on the +/- ratings either way. My own 2 eyes can tell me when BTH is on tha job and when he's not. Uncontested dunks and layups, giving up offensive rebs, not finishing around the basket despite being the biggest thing on the floor most nights..... the list goes on.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | December 31, 2009 4:52 PM | Report abuse

ray i luv tha shout out to Larry Hughes. he was the best complimentary guard for Gil. While he hasn't come close to the all star level he was playing at here (i know he didn't make the team i think injuries had something to do with it one year), he was one of the better defenders and scorers at the combo guard position. easily able to go for 20 on any given night, led the league in steals one season, and had no prob sharing the ball with Gil. for whatever reason it didn't look like anyone had to defer. they played really well together. BTW was it EG that lowballed him on tha contract? I know the 70 mil was really steep but we still don't have a guard who can consistently play well alongside Gil.

BTW the pogo sticks for legs comment gives me the impression that AJ can jump really high, and i know u didn't mean to say that.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | December 31, 2009 5:01 PM | Report abuse

"What's funny is treating AJ's stats like they dont count, while touting BTHs supposed defense on a team that by all indicators stinks defensively."


It's not funny so much as sad.

Posted by: kalo_rama | December 31, 2009 5:24 PM | Report abuse

Au contraire learnedhand1.

Haywood's +/- for the fourth quarter this season is a dismal -34. In fact here is his rating by quarter so far:

1st: -10
2nd: -16
3rd: +30
4th: -34
OT: -7

I got these numbers from this website:
statspass.com

By the way the highest 4th quarter +/- by any Wizards player is Caron Butler: +30

Next highest Nick Young: +22

Little Earl in 3rd: +16

Posted by: elfreako | December 31, 2009 5:55 PM | Report abuse

Check that.

Dom is 2nd with a +26

Fab nudges Boykins with a +17.

Maybe this will help Flip with his crunch time lineup. I've always felt that Dom and Caron can play together. McGuire is a slightly better post defender than perimeter IMO which would mean he can check some 4s.

Perhaps the Josh Smith, Al Harrington types.

Posted by: elfreako | December 31, 2009 6:00 PM | Report abuse

elfreako's redemption!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | December 31, 2009 6:06 PM | Report abuse

Here is a interesting comment from Van Gundy about another player but still interesting none the less enjoy.

Van Gundy said he didn’t know much about Milicic’s situation, but he did know that often coaches do tell players their time will come, and mean it.The part players don’t hear “or don’t want to hear” Van Gundy said, was that their time would come if they were willing to put in the work.

“To me there are guys whose time’s never going to come,” Van Gundy said. “They aren’t good enough or they don’t want to work hard enough.”

Van Gundy went on to say if a coach isn’t playing someone, it’s not about a hidden agenda, or a guy being in a coach’s “doghouse.” They act in their own self interest and play the guys who will win the most games, he said

Posted by: rnorris6 | December 31, 2009 6:25 PM | Report abuse

Van Gundy went on to say if a coach isn’t playing someone, it’s not about a hidden agenda, or a guy being in a coach’s “doghouse.” They act in their own self interest and play the guys who will win the most games, he said
Posted by: rnorris6 |

I agree. No coach wants to lose.
But sometimes you gotta make a statement and get your more talented players to wake up.

The Wizzies are way late for their wake up call.

Posted by: VBFan | December 31, 2009 6:51 PM | Report abuse

True but the wizards have been bad for so many years under Eddie Jordan only differance now is the wizards are not able to out score their opponents now like they did under EJ by the way how are the 76'ers fairing under EJ defensively ???

Posted by: rnorris6 | December 31, 2009 6:57 PM | Report abuse

The new LA Clippers.

Posted by: bal503 | December 31, 2009 7:07 PM | Report abuse

Happy New Year!

Posted by: VBFan | December 31, 2009 7:51 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: bozomoeman | December 31, 2009 8:00 PM | Report abuse

Happy New Year!

Posted by: VBFan | December 31, 2009 7:51


A Happy And Prosperous New Year to you and your family also

Posted by: rnorris6 | December 31, 2009 8:06 PM | Report abuse

Good points Ray.

Yeah, you know this team really has never recovered from Larry Hughes leaving. Gil has nevery really been the same, and the team in general has regressed and gone backwards from what was possibly the best young up and coming team in the league. Caron for Kwame was an attempt to recover, but there just has never been the same chemistry. Now if we had kept Larry AND made the Kwame for Caron deal that would have been a move in the right direction.

Unfortunately looking back now I think THAT was actually our window with this group and we missed it.

Also, IMO firing Eddie was a bad move. Again this to me has killed our chemistry. Replacing Eddie with Flip is kinda like replacing Larry with Caron. On the surface looks like an upgrade, but in reality it's moving backwards.

We've gone from one of the best young up and coming teams with one of the best young up and coming head coaches to a mediocre veteran team with a mediocre veteran head coach.

Posted by: Darnell1 | December 31, 2009 8:10 PM | Report abuse

We've gone from one of the best young up and coming teams with one of the best young up and coming head coaches to a mediocre veteran team with a mediocre veteran head coach.

Posted by: Darnell1 | December 31


You are so far off its not funny let me ask hows your up and coming coach doing for the 76'ers and how about their defense now with him as coach

Posted by: rnorris6 | December 31, 2009 8:25 PM | Report abuse

On the other hand go to the 76'ers fan site and see how they feel about EJ LOL you think we are rough on Flip Saunders

Posted by: rnorris6 | December 31, 2009 8:30 PM | Report abuse

At least I wont be on here much next year I am in process of relocating to NewOrleans maybe i will root for the hornets LOL Time for me to move been in this area since 1956 WOW I feel old now LOL

Posted by: rnorris6 | December 31, 2009 8:41 PM | Report abuse

Another point about defense. Brendan always gets big grief for not protecting the lane.

When Brendan leaves his man to help and he always does, that leaves the paint open.

If the Wizards really put a premium on guarding the paint then they should allow Brendan to only help in the paint.

The only time Brendan is out of the paint should be to guard his man only. He should not be help checking all over the court.

Did these guru's who have Brendan help checking all over the court forget that to minimize the effectiveness of a big man is to bring him out on the floor. Get him away from the basket.

No big man is as effective away from the basket compared to under the basket in the paint.

But yet the Wizards have Brendan playing defense out away from the basket as a part of their defensive philosophy. Help checking smaller quicker players. Please.

Brendan should only be away from the basket to guard his man only.

Basic center help defense comes in the paint and not away from the basket. But Brendan is expected to help all over the floor.

Watch the game folks. Your Center cannot be effective playing defense that way.

The great big man defenders did it in the paint. They did not spend time running out away from the basket.

The center is your anchor, and if he is not in the paint predominantly then your defense is not anchored.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | December 31, 2009 9:05 PM | Report abuse

Yes Larry I agree BUT also you dont fix years of bad habits in 30 games

Posted by: rnorris6 | December 31, 2009 9:11 PM | Report abuse

Larry...you write these long paragraphs of nonsense sometimes.

You think offenses don't know that getting a C out of the paint is the way to neutralize him? This is why the pick and roll is a staple of every NBA offense. If ran properly, you end up with a C on a PG and vice versa.

On the other hand with a C like Brendan who isn't athletic to flash out and slow down the PG on the switch and get back to his man. It still leave the paint open.

No defensive strategy is to intentionally have the C on the perimeter playing defense anymore than coaches sitting players on the bench because they WANT to lose or players intentionally losing to put up stats.

Except Zach Randolph. He is always the exception.

Posted by: SDMDTSU | December 31, 2009 10:31 PM | Report abuse

Here is some interesting stuff on thursdays practice enjoy

After a two-day cooling period, Saunders didn't back away from his words, and even applied more pressure to his three captains -- Butler, Gilbert Arenas and Antawn Jamison -- after Arenas said that the team had adopted a "losing mentality" in recent years.

"Gil can say that, but when you have the money that those three guys are making, you never talk about loser mentality," Saunders said about Arenas, Jamison and Butler, who will earn $16.2 million, $11.6 million and $9.8 million this season, respectively. "You're making $20 million; you're getting paid to win. Bottom line. Don't blame it on the guy that's making $300,000. This is a league where you get paid on your production and what your expectations are. It's up to them to change that mentality. They have to carry us."

Butler agreed. "When it all goes back, it's going to fall back on us," he said. "We're the captains, the leaders. . . . We got guys back healthy. We got to lead our ball club to wins.

"We've got to get it done."

Saunders singled out Butler after practice, saying that it was the best he'd looked since taking over as coach. "Today I saw Caron Butler -- we had a talk yesterday or whatever -- play how I thought he could play. I told him, maybe I've given him too much credit and been soft on him and haven't driven him enough. That's not going to happen anymore."

Posted by: rnorris6 | January 1, 2010 12:34 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: rnorris6 | January 1, 2010 12:35 AM | Report abuse

I'd love to see us make a deal for Camby. He'd be a nice fit. He can play the 5 or 4, rebounds, blocks, defends. Maybe some kind of deal with Mike James with another player or draft pick. I think Camby was with NY when Grunfeld was there. He's a guy who could come in, have the respect of the players, and contribute immediately. I think a guy like Camby could drastically improve our defense.

Immediately I would make wholesale changes to the starting lineup.

Next game I start Haywood, Oberto, McGuire, Foye, Arenas. (Miller replaces Foye in the starting lineup asap once he's healthy to return).

I bring Blatche, Jamison, Butler, off the bench with Boykins.

Posted by: Darnell1 | January 1, 2010 2:06 AM | Report abuse

I wonder what ever happened to Donnell Taylor?

Posted by: Darnell1 | January 1, 2010 2:09 AM | Report abuse

What do you all think about this trade ?

Caron, Foye, Stevenson, James to NY for Hughes, Lee and Jeffries ??

We have a starting 5 of Haywood, Lee, Miller, Hughes, Arenas. We have McGee, Oberto, Blatche, Jeffries, McGuire, Young, Crittenton, Boykins off the bench.

Posted by: Darnell1 | January 1, 2010 2:22 AM | Report abuse

Oh yeah.. and Jamison off the bench.

Posted by: Darnell1 | January 1, 2010 2:25 AM | Report abuse

Kalo, I can't hear you this AM. The pole seems to agree with what I told your dumba** yesterday does it not??

And for the record Haywood was the ONLY player on the entire roster to have a + in the +/- last night. Do you know what that means???

Posted by: kevenjones | December 30, 2009 11:49 AM | Report abuse

I was too busy living my life too post on here the past few days, but from reading it all this morning, it seems kevenjones took that to mean I was backing away from my statements about Haywood. I can assure you I was not.

First off, Keven, don't take this stuff so personally. Secondly, understand that the +- is a very suspect stat, especially when talking about one game. It has too much to do with who you are playing that night and who you are playing with and who is on the bench. Over the course of a season, it may have some small value. A couple weeks ago I posted a +- line for Dom that had him like -16 in 2 minutes or something.

More importantly, though, you maligned me yesterday by claiming I said we needed more Offense. That is untrue. It is true that the only way to win this game is to score more than your opponent, but that vcan happen a lot of different ways; including holding the other team to 57pt and scoring 58 yourself.

I have consistently said that ALL options for this team should be looked at and if we can get a good trade for jamison or Gil we should take it. But none of this "trade Jamison for Blair and a second rounder crap.

We need to think about the future, cuz the now is awful.

Haywood should not be in that future because he is mediocre and will be too expensive for too long. That is all I've said.

Since he shouldn't be in our future, we should be looking to see if McGee has a future or not...ie: play the kid.

Posted by: Blurred | January 1, 2010 7:57 AM | Report abuse

Darnell...I think that is a pretty reasonable trade, although I have no idea of the contracts involved. Jeffries has little value...hughes becomes less valuable by the day (because of age) but I have coveted David Lee for 3 years.

the question is why are we giving them like $15 million in salaries that are coming off the books (James, Foye & Stevenson)? Why not just offer Lee that $15 million at the end of the year when he is a FA and keep Caron or package him for a different trade?

Getting a hard working guy like Lee in really helps you win those close games. To be honest, he is my first (reasonable) choice for a FA pickup.

My main problem, though, is you still have Haywood starting...We won't go anywhere with him as our starter. Not b/c he is awful, but because competitive teams try to have competitors and above average players be their starters. haywood has shown over the years that he does not play hard all the time and is average or below average at his position. Maybe we could play him as a back up and get him to play for a 3 yr, $5 million paycheck.

Posted by: Blurred | January 1, 2010 8:09 AM | Report abuse

Just to be clear, I am not sure that Lee should be getting a $15mil/yr contract from anyone this offseason, but certainly not from a team with a couple of 3 $10 mil+ contracts already.

My point was just to illustrate that a trade in this instance in not necessarily the best or easiest way to get the guy, especially since we basically have to give up on this season.

Posted by: Blurred | January 1, 2010 8:13 AM | Report abuse

Last comment for the morning:

I agree with Divi about Flips coaching. I watched the MD/W&M game the other night and was just astounded by how good the coaching was on both ends. game came down to W&M being far more disciplined and having 7 guys that can hit from anywhere.

Funny thing though, W&M won the game inside by playing patiently, astutely and with precision against a MD team that was far more talented and athletic.

Point here is both those coaches kept making changes to get a leg up. Then the other would counter. and so on and so on, they each would make 3-7 pt runs in turns.

Even if Flip could/would coach like that, I doubt our starters would play as patiently or really listen to the coach.

So sit em for a few.

Posted by: Blurred | January 1, 2010 8:22 AM | Report abuse

Larry...you write these long paragraphs of nonsense sometimes.

You think offenses don't know that getting a C out of the paint is the way to neutralize him? This is why the pick and roll is a staple of every NBA offense. If ran properly, you end up with a C on a PG and vice versa.

On the other hand with a C like Brendan who isn't athletic to flash out and slow down the PG on the switch and get back to his man. It still leave the paint open.

No defensive strategy is to intentionally have the C on the perimeter playing defense anymore than coaches sitting players on the bench because they WANT to lose or players intentionally losing to put up stats.

Except Zach Randolph. He is always the exception.

Posted by: SDMDTSU | December 31, 2009 10:31 PM |

Oh really. I am sure the pick and roll is not a recent NBA phenonmenon. And secondly, if it is clear that Haywood is too slow to flash and get back then why is he continually trying to do it time after time after time.

As a defensive philosophy, I have never liked the flash and get back. It may work on less intuitive players, but most NBA players are too smart and will always exploit the flash and get back move.

Defensing the pick and roll does not always mean you must switch. However, the Wizards always switch or let one of the guys go free.

It seems that the Wizards accept a flawed strategy of how you play defense. People here are always quick to point out the lack of defensive abilities of the players.

But, the last time I checked defense is about intelligence, heart, and guts.

What I see defensively from the Wizards is a Team that does know how to play basic Team defense. And it is evident in the philosophy of the way they play it as a unit rather than their individual talents.

The offenses of other Teams don't have to work hard at all to get our defense out of position.

SDMDTSU, if you really watch the way the Wizards play defense we take ourselves out of position from any move the other team makes.

Why is it that time after time a player on another team can make a fake 30-ft from the basket and then drive to the hoop for an uncontested slam dunk?

Why, it is because the whole team has responded to that fake 30-ft out and we start to react needlessly in a non-sensical help mode. Everybody starts switching, so everyone is out of position to include the center.

That is the way the Wizards play defense and it is a joke. And, it is coaching.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | January 1, 2010 9:03 AM | Report abuse

Playing better defense must become our main focus. We must put the right players on the floor and change our defensive strategy, especially in the 4th Q'.

It has become apparently easy for teams seal the game against us in the 4th Q' and it has to do with the way we play defense.

Those of you that have played this game know that there are times when your competitors laugh at the way you play.

Defense for the Wizards is a joke and when the 4th Q' rolls around the other teams players know they have the game won and they are laughing before the game ends.

When Durant slammed the other night right before halftime, that Team knew right then that that game was won.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | January 1, 2010 9:23 AM | Report abuse

Happy New Year everyone!

Ok, if you have not read or heard this you probably should:

"Report: Arenas, teammate had gun standoff."

http://msn.foxsports.com/nba/story/report-arenas-teammate-had-gun-standoff

I sure hope this is NOT true. :(

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | January 1, 2010 9:33 AM | Report abuse

And oh, by the way here is something else for you Guru's to chew that are of the mindset that it is the players.

Trades, do them, for if it is the players, bring some better players in, problem solved.

And also, if it is just the players then what was blogged above about Flip tearing into the Big 3, and indicating there are changes afoot, then that won't make difference either, will it?

For if it really is the players, then anything that Flip does or wants to do shouldn't make a difference. Right.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | January 1, 2010 9:41 AM | Report abuse

Larry,

Shoosh and read my link up there. :P

Flip needs to take control of the team. EJ had it, Flip does not...yet.

If your players won't listen to your coach it doesn't matter who is on the court.

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | January 1, 2010 9:44 AM | Report abuse

Larry, honestly...have you ever played organized basketball? I wonder how many people that post actually have.

The "show and recover" defense on the pick and roll is for a reason. When the other team sets a good pick (which the Wizards rarely do) you give the ballhandler a step on the defense. The flash out makes him hesistate, or slow down so the defense has a change to recover or adjust (mainly giving the PG a chance to fight through the screen and get back on his man) If there is no flash. The PG has a wide open lane to penetrate, causing someone to help and leaving someone else wide open. Saying keep the C in the paint is like telling the Redskins to stop the run on defense. That's the goal but the other team schemes to do the opposite.

The issue with the Wizards isn't that they help too much. In that case Nobody would be able to drive 30 feet uncontested. They don't help enough or rotate effectively. Rondo going baseline off a screen, Blatche doesn't get to the baseline. He's done it more than once, getting to where he's supposed to be late and not contesting because he doesn't wanna get dunked on. Maybe after Ryan Hollins caught him he's over it. If people are switching too much how would someone run uncontested to the basket? It's an effort thing. Someone has an open shot and you could close out to contest or watch...and they watch.

Why would we want Camby? He's like 36? Aren't you all talking about playing for the future?

Oh yeah...I finish stronger in the lane that Haywood.

Posted by: SDMDTSU | January 1, 2010 9:46 AM | Report abuse

Ray...EJ NEVER had control of the team. He had always been weak.

Posted by: SDMDTSU | January 1, 2010 9:49 AM | Report abuse

"Ray...EJ NEVER had control of the team. He had always been weak."

They listened to him, then he got fired.

Doesn't say much for EJ, but he had control over the team.

Flip needs to "take it" and hopefully the other night will do so. Otherwise they will be gone.

http://msn.foxsports.com/nba/story/report-arenas-teammate-had-gun-standoff

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | January 1, 2010 9:54 AM | Report abuse

Ray,

If that is true, that is a serious problem. If true, that portrays serious character flaws in both individuals.

That behavior, I am sure is a violation of their NBA contracts and both of their careers as NBA players are done.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | January 1, 2010 9:55 AM | Report abuse

Well, that's what Fox is reporting.

Can't say it's true or not...but that's pretty serious.

http://msn.foxsports.com/nba/story/report-arenas-teammate-had-gun-standoff

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | January 1, 2010 9:57 AM | Report abuse

It kills me that there is no sense of urgency on this team....none.

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | December 31, 2009 11:34 AM | Report abuse

It's hard to get up for all those beatings when you're already independently wealthy.

Posted by: glawrence007 | January 1, 2010 10:14 AM | Report abuse

You don’t get to be a great shooter in the NBA just by walking on the court — preparation starts in the locker room. Just ask Washington Wizards Gilbert Arenas and Javaris Crittenton, who drew guns on each other inside the team’s Verizon Center during a shocking Christmas Eve row over a gambling debt, The Post has learned. The pistol-packing point guards had heaters at the ready, sources said, with the veteran all-star Arenas drawing first. The unprecedented duel in DC was sparked when Crittenton became enraged at the veteran guard for refusing to make good on a gambling debt, a source said.

By PETER VECSEY and DAVID K. LI

you politically correct clowns just dont get it.. in NY they scoop you all.

Posted by: horace1 | January 1, 2010 10:19 AM | Report abuse

I wonder if having firearms inside the locker room no matter how stored is a violation of GA's contract making it voidable by the WIZARDS. Is this what it's all about? Any copies of his contract floating around on-line, legal eagles?

Posted by: glawrence007 | January 1, 2010 10:20 AM | Report abuse

@SDMDTSU,

Oh Yeah! I have certainly played the game. However, what you have said about the flash play and the pick and roll indicates what I am pointing out.

The Wizards do not defense either one of them correctly. But, I am taking it a step further and indicating that it comes from their philosophy moreso than a lack of defensive ability of the player.

I see that you know exactly what you are talking about in describing the pick and flash play. You are right and you describe why the Wizards are screwing it up.

However, the Wizards think it is good defense to always help. Help defense is preached to this Team and it is obvious. So at the first fake or any perceived advantage they start helping and think that they are doing it right and then they look incredulous when the next helper did not help in time.

That is not how you play good defense.

Help defense can be likened to the prevent defense in football. And even some say the prevent defense prevents you from winning.

But you don't play prevent defense the whole game and you shouldn't be playing help defense in basketball on every play.

On every play somebody is leaving there man to help. What about just playing straight man-up defense on your man and having faith that your man can still recover an even advantage once he's been faked.

I have seen numerous great defensive plays by a defender that has been faked but continually trails his man to the basket for a block, a steal, or a forced bad play.

The offensive guy never relaxes when he knows that a fake will never lose his man. If he knows that regardless of what he does the defender is going to be on his butt, he will never get comfortable with the ball.

That is the beauty of one on one basketball and also where defense comes from. One on one basketball. The Wizards need to require that primary defender always remain the primary defender and stop all this help crap as the routine for playing defense.

It has become a cover for not guarding your man.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | January 1, 2010 10:27 AM | Report abuse

There's a report that Arenas and Crittenton drew guns on one another in the locker room?

Unbelievable. Loaded guns?

Just unbelievable. They were going to have a shootout or something?

Well, on the bright side of things this'll give the Wizards cap space. No pun intended.


Posted by: SteveMG | January 1, 2010 10:29 AM | Report abuse

How old is JC’s friend? I hate clowns like that. You know how bad this is going to sound if true? Why would you put something like that out in the media? I bet he swears that he’s a street cat too.

On a side note, no wonder why this team sucks right now. They need to cut out all the side drama and just play ball

Posted by: dlts20 | January 1, 2010 10:36 AM | Report abuse

glawrence, this isnt the NFL. You cant do that in the NBA. Even if there was some way they didnt have to pay Gil all the money, it still would count 100% on our cap. Why would they let the team of the hook? They will say thats what we get for signing him. No way that lets you off the hook.

On a side note, I never believed that EG tried to trade Gil because he loved Gil and its still early but if this story is true then that could be the reason why EG just had enough

Posted by: dlts20 | January 1, 2010 10:39 AM | Report abuse

There's a report that Arenas and Crittenton drew guns on one another in the locker room?

Unbelievable. Loaded guns?

Just unbelievable. They were going to have a shootout or something?


Well, on the bright side of things this'll give the Wizards cap space. No pun intended.


Posted by: SteveMG | January 1, 2010 10:29 AM
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SteveMG,

Now that's Funny!!!
Thanks for starting my New Years Day off with a laugh!!

Posted by: bozomoeman | January 1, 2010 10:39 AM | Report abuse

"That behavior, I am sure is a violation of their NBA contracts and both of their careers as NBA players are done."

Yeah, because players who physically assault members of their own organization or brandish guns in public are summarily dismissed from the NBA, without question, never to play in the league again.

Just ask Latrell Sprewell and Stephen Jackson.

Think before you post.

Posted by: kalo_rama | January 1, 2010 10:43 AM | Report abuse

NEW YORK -- Washington Wizards teammates Gilbert Arenas and Javaris Crittenton drew guns on each other during a Christmas Eve locker room argument over a gambling debt, according to The New York Post.

Isn't enough, enough? Trade his azz, for players to make a "team"

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | January 1, 2010 10:53 AM | Report abuse

Surely pulling a gun on a coworker in the workplace is reason enough to void a contract. I hope it is, because Gilbert's trade value is now officially zero. He might sign on as a free agent somewhere else, but we couldn't get Pech for him now. If Crit and Gil worked at the Post Office, they'd both be looking at 20 years. As it is, Gil will probably make another $100m. Disgusting.

Posted by: SammyT1 | January 1, 2010 10:57 AM | Report abuse

"Flip needs to take control of the team. EJ had it, Flip does not...yet."

People around here continually dumped on Jordan for not being tough enough on the players and cracking the whip. What's becoming clear since he left, however, is that he understood his team better than the armchair coaches. He knew cracking the whip and reading the riot act about defense wasn't going to get them anywhere. He played to the team's strengths and, unfortunately, that also mean playing to their egos and worst impulses on the court. He took crap for it, but he had more success than any Wizards coach in 20 years because of it. That was his mandate when he came in, to return the team to respectability and relevance. Mission accomplished.

Flip was brought in to steer the train into the station by fulfilling all of the supposed "promise" the team had. That meant pushing the team in ways that Jordan didn't. That meant stressing defense and structure on the court. He gave it his best shot, but 30 games in he's learned the same lesson that Jordan did. The question now is: how does he respond? Will he follow Jordan's lead and let the lunatics take partial control of the asylum, knowing it'll probably improve the chances of winning games but do nothing to move them closer to the bigger intended goal of contention? Or will he concede that the bigger goal is a pipe dram with this group and hold to the hard line, knowing that changes are coming and wanting to establish a set of ground rules for whichever new players come in and whichever old ones stick around?

Posted by: kalo_rama | January 1, 2010 10:57 AM | Report abuse

If Crit and Gil worked at the Post Office, they'd both be looking at 20 years. As it is, Gil will probably make another $100m. Disgusting.

Posted by: SammyT1

Those two clowns probably couldn't pass the entry exams to work at the post office. It is disgusting. The NBA will not grow in in size relative to the NFL until they start cleaning their mess up.

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | January 1, 2010 11:00 AM | Report abuse

And what the heck kind of gambling debts did Arenas have with Crittenton anyway? Crittenton placed bets for Arenas? With whom?

Pull the string on this one and who knows where it ends.

Posted by: SteveMG | January 1, 2010 11:06 AM | Report abuse

Assuming this is even true (and that's far from a given at this point), the "gambling debts" in question mostly likely were incurred during one of the after practice shooting contests that NBA players routinely engage in.

Posted by: kalo_rama | January 1, 2010 11:13 AM | Report abuse

Larry...just to carry this over. SO you solution to playing the pick and roll is to not flash out and let an NBA PG turn the corner and have his choice of shot, drive, or pass with basically noone in hsi face? Or go under screens and let them have a 15 foot jumper buffet?

Haywood has to play the pick and roll. He can't sit in the paint.

And kids...stay away from guns.

Posted by: SDMDTSU | January 1, 2010 12:15 PM | Report abuse

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