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Morning brew

Gilbert Arenas said the building was cold in Auburn Hills, Mich. Well, so was his shooting in the fourth quarter of the Wizards' 98-94 loss to the Pistons. Michael Lee weighed in with some thoughts off this game in his postgame blog post.

Mike Jones of the Washington Times was also on hand, and he's sensing a theme to this season. And here's how the Detroit Free Press and the Detroit News saw it.

Bullets Forever's JaketheSnake notes that it has been a cold December. And Truth About it's Kyle Weidie offered his views on the Wizards' woes in ESPN.com's Daily Dime.

Highlights courtesy of NBA.com after the jump:

Around the League...

Before we get to Sunday's games, a couple of leftovers from the weekend: The Blazers' Greg Oden, the 2007 No. 1 overall pick, is done for the year once again. He fractured his left patella during Saturday night's home game against Houston and had surgery on Sunday. Plenty of soul-searching going on in Portland right now. With all the other injuries the team has had, the Blazers find themselves relying on Juwan Howard. Yes, that Juwan Howard.

From Friday: The Lakers' Kobe Bryant hit an unbelievable three-pointer at the buzzer against Miami to help his team steal a 108-107 win:

And here's NBA.com's Daily Zap to get you caught up on Sunday's five-game slate:

By Ed Guzman  |  December 7, 2009; 9:42 AM ET
Categories:  Morning brew  | Tags: Detroit Pistons; Kobe Bryant; Morning brew; Greg Oden, Washington Wizards; NBA; Gilbert Arenas; Antawn Jamison; Flip Saunders  
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Just not good enough

Posted by: millineumman | December 7, 2009 9:53 AM | Report abuse

Heat won 15 games in Wade's first year back from injury.

Why does Debrick start yesterday anyway? Looked like NY got pulled for extended mins because he committed a TO and foul early. What's flip's thinking in NY playing only 17mins?

Too much Earl.

Not enough Foye, why not ride the hot hand?

Does AJ have to lead the team in mins every single night? Cant we get a little more AB?

20 games in and there's still no semblance of anything on the floor, and let's not kid ourselves that Mike Miller represents salvation.

Disconcerting to say the least Flip still has no rotation

Posted by: divi3 | December 7, 2009 10:12 AM | Report abuse

NY pulled for DS early in the 1st after 1 foul and a couple misses???????that move panned out really well. i'm seeing flip as one of the worst in game coaches in the L so far. if the "big 3" aren't on he has no answer. no adjustments, no play calling to highlight a hot scorer or take advantage of defensive liabilitites. nah, i'll just sit back and let AJ shoot us out of a game, all the while giving det's big men whatever they wanted. This team is soft, they talk harder than they walk.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | December 7, 2009 10:16 AM | Report abuse

Two things strike me so far this season. First, Caron Butler just isn't comfortable in the offense. I don't know how many times I've seen him set up for a perfect 15 footer and he feels compelled to drive to the basket, usually resulting in a charging call. Caron and Gilbert HAVE to be leading the league in charging calls AGAINST them. Second, they're just not reacting to the ball. Try watching a Wizards game without the sound. You will sometimes be convinced that a foul has been called because all five players just stop playing.....when, in fact, they're just NOT reacting, usually on defense.

Posted by: jthicks | December 7, 2009 10:42 AM | Report abuse

ban the flip shot and 3s from the PF. make AJ play like a real PF.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | December 7, 2009 10:46 AM | Report abuse

You mean the "please don't block it " shot???

Posted by: millineumman | December 7, 2009 10:52 AM | Report abuse

So after years of complaining that Jordan was too inflexible with his rotation, people are now complaining that Saunders is too flexible with his?

Posted by: kalo_rama | December 7, 2009 10:55 AM | Report abuse

I give up...Didn't see the game last night, but WTF?!?!?

1/4 of the way through the season and nothing looks promising right now.

Of course, they are still 4-3 in their last 7, which is .571. Can they keep that form up the last 62 games, theyll end up...42-40 for the season and probably be right on the cusp of 7 or 8 or lottery. they need to put a 5 game win streak together now just to get a sense of possibilities.

Posted by: Blurred | December 7, 2009 11:01 AM | Report abuse

People complain when the team is losing. They're just searching for stuff to complain about. Flip seems to be the latest target. Next week it'll probably be Boykins or Cassell or Leonsis. Or maybe, we'll win a few games and they'll be in love with some random contributor to the success.

Posted by: jon_quest | December 7, 2009 11:03 AM | Report abuse

So after years of complaining that Jordan was too inflexible with his rotation, people are now complaining that Saunders is too flexible with his?

Posted by: kalo_rama | December 7, 2009 10:55 AM | Report abuse

i don't think anybody is saying he's too flexible, but there seems to be a lack of purpose with his flexibility. he looks like he's grasping at straws (he being flip). How many mins had DS played in the past week before he's the 1st guard off the bench. I understand the idea, but it seemed like a quick hook for NY in favor of a guy who hasn't played well at all this season, and most recently hadn't played very much (-9 with DS in the game). It also seems like he also plays AJ 35+mins in spite of AB's progression.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | December 7, 2009 11:06 AM | Report abuse

Caron is washed up and Gilbert isn't going to be the same. It's just the way it is.

Posted by: awb9h | December 7, 2009 11:08 AM | Report abuse

Hey blurred:

Ready to get it on down at the SEIG CENTER? I watched the second half of the W&M/VCU tilt this week-end. Man did TONY SHAVER dial up a defense on LARRY SANDERS. The dude was shrink-wrapped by three players every time he touched the ball. Almost like the TRIBE knew he had limited ability to pass the ball once it went in and he was stifled in his normal offense. I'm guessing the SPIDERS will try something similar until RODRIGUEZ or NIXON can get the rock back fron LS, and drive, or jump shoot from the outside.

Posted by: glawrence007 | December 7, 2009 11:11 AM | Report abuse

Folks been talkin bout Flip for a couple weeks now Jon_quest. it's not scapegoating at all. it's the same thing that has some skins fan thinkin Zorn ain't so bad now.it's all about the way you play. the skins look much better and are playing much better football than earlier in the year and folks appreciate the effort regardless of the end result. but there are serious entitlement issues on the wiz. they don't play hard enough, there's no sense of urgency or pushing the tempo eventhough they have tons of athletes on the team. these issues start at the top. flip's gotta get these guys on the same page, and right now they don't look like a unit.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | December 7, 2009 11:13 AM | Report abuse

lilhollywood10

The problem is Flip is trying to win with players who have proven they can't win, so it doesn't matter what combo he puts on the floor the results will be the same.

Give Flip some credit for trying to win with the players Ernie has put together.

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | December 7, 2009 11:19 AM | Report abuse

blurred:

With that match-up zone that RICHMOND plays, I think SMART will spread the floor on offense to create gaps for SANDERS to operate in. On defense, VCU's press is not going to bother RICHMOND that much. They've seen plenty of them from half-court press traps, to full court game-long ones. They don't rattle easily this year. And they don't wilt when teams get in their grill.

No, I think we'll see a barn-burner. I sure hope it's not like past seasons where RICHMOND gets blown off the court. VCU's players do think they own the SPIDERS and they are at home.

And that accounts for a lot. RICHMOND will have to come with a will to play from the opening tip, something they rarely do. But the seniors I been talking to say they're fed up with losing to the RAMS. We'll see.

Posted by: glawrence007 | December 7, 2009 11:23 AM | Report abuse

When you see Flip on the sideline pleading with his team to push the tempo and then see them return to a slow pace on the very next possession, I don't see how you can blame that coaching.

Posted by: jon_quest | December 7, 2009 11:31 AM | Report abuse

I'm sick and tired hearing about the "BIG 3". There are no big 3 in the team....and surely the "big 3" are not playing like one. Heck if the team's best player last night is shorter than me then it really looks bad for the team. I predicted this team will have a rough start but losing to a team without their best players is a big letdown.

Posted by: Dave381 | December 7, 2009 11:36 AM | Report abuse

Flip shows no hesitation (nor should he) in having Gil sit for whole quarters...let's see some of the same when CB is flailing.

Posted by: divi3 | December 7, 2009 11:37 AM | Report abuse

..................or when AJ is shooting you out of a game

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | December 7, 2009 11:41 AM | Report abuse

Glawrence -

As you can guess i had a pretty miserable basketball weekend: 2 wiz losses and VCU loses by one.

Sanders picked up two fouls really quickly which slowed him down a bit. I thought they needed to have TJ Gwynn (6th year senior - LMAO!) just drive every time to get some of W&M's insiode guys in foul trouble. We sat one with 5 fouls, but needed to sit their big guy.

VCU just got sloppy and made two bad fouls with time expiring. had they kept their cool, we would have had it.

I hope Fri is a good game, Richmond seems to be playing well. It's tough for visiting teams to win in the Stu, though. We'll see. VCU could have used that Wake Forest transfer Saturday.

Shaver is a really good coach at W&M. he gets the best out of his players and plays to their strengths.

Posted by: Blurred | December 7, 2009 11:42 AM | Report abuse

20 games in and there's still no semblance of anything on the floor, and let's not kid ourselves that Mike Miller represents salvation.

Mike Miller does represent salvation and when he comes back, that will be represented by Crit, and when Crit comes back, some people onm here will argue that the team is badly missing Paul Davis.......
Well, you get the point.

Posted by: Utilityman1 | December 7, 2009 11:50 AM | Report abuse

"Shaver is a realay good coach...."

On that an many other points, we are in complete agreement.

Posted by: glawrence007 | December 7, 2009 11:51 AM | Report abuse

"badly missing Paul Davis.......
Well, you get the point."

Posted by: Utilityman1 | December 7, 2009 11:50 AM | Report abuse

Yeas-s-sh, DAVIS was our salvation.

Posted by: glawrence007 | December 7, 2009 11:53 AM | Report abuse

People complain when the team is losing. They're just searching for stuff to complain about. Flip seems to be the latest target. Next week it'll probably be Boykins or Cassell or Leonsis. Or maybe, we'll win a few games and they'll be in love with some random contributor to the success.

Posted by: jon_quest | December 7, 2009 11:03 AM | Report abuse

Ok, so what's your solution genius? Beside being a blind follower that is?

Posted by: Utilityman1 | December 7, 2009 11:53 AM | Report abuse

I think our problem has been that G-Whiz has not been around and as active as in the past. he really gets the guys excited and playing hard. Plus, his antics seem to fix the mojo on our shooting woes.

Posted by: Blurred | December 7, 2009 11:59 AM | Report abuse

I predicted this team will have a rough start but losing to a team without their best players is a big letdown

Everybody wants to blame something. In all actuality. They are going to struggle. Teams win and lose games. This Detroit team beat Atlanta WITHOUT Rip and Tayshaun. They beat Orlando too I think. Milwaukee beat Denver. Dallas MASHED LA. Toronto beat Cleveland, Charlotte beat Cleveland.

The're 7-12? What did you think they were going to do? Struggle and be 13-6? Season isn't even 1/3 of the way over.

Everybody wants to be a GM

Posted by: SDMDTSU | December 7, 2009 12:05 PM | Report abuse

"Flip shows no hesitation (nor should he) in having Gil sit for whole quarters...let's see some of the same when CB is flailing. "

The difference is, he has viable alternate options at PG. With Miller out, there really isn't as viable alternate option at SF.

Posted by: kalo_rama | December 7, 2009 12:13 PM | Report abuse

SDMTSU - Of course teams win and lose games but those were the games that are a must win in order for them to be a playoff team...or as some of the geniuses here predict the 4th seed. So aren't you disappointed with the 7-12 start???
Yes, everybody here wants to be a GM including you!

Posted by: Dave381 | December 7, 2009 12:17 PM | Report abuse

From ESPN.com

What's Going On With Wizards? By Kyle Weidie TrueHoop Network


Flip Saunders commemorated his return to Detroit with a polka-dotted tie. Just like his garment, the Wizards' play in a 98-94 loss to the Pistons was spotty. Again they failed to value the basketball.

At 7-12, the Wizards are still one game shy of Saunders' proclaimed 20-game initial evaluation period. But with the sample to date, it's clear the cement might be starting to dry on the Big Three of Gilbert Arenas, Caron Butler and Antawn Jamison.

Far from contention, and akin to Washington's Redskins having hung offseason banner after offseason banner, the District's NBA franchise has recently rested its laurels on character, commitment and connection, and all was copacetic for half a season in 2006-07.

The current Wizards are playing like a team assembled according to height on the first day of basketball camp. Sure, injuries, a new coach and the return of the team's biggest star after a two-year absence are significant challenges, but they don't explain the lost will to win.

Against Detroit, the Wizards committed 17 turnovers to 15 assists, the seventh time this season they've had an assist-to-turnover ratio of 1-1 or worse. That failure to manage possessions, combined with consistent inconsistency and the all-too-familiar inability to find energy, equates to a situation that just isn't working out.

With supporting-cast changes and bountiful preseason positivity from Jamison and Butler resulting in fleeting aspirations, the heart of this team is in need of resuscitation. Time for Ernie Grunfeld to break out the defibrillator of managerial bartering.

An ownership group in uncertainty clouds the water. Grunfeld's days as team president aren't numbered, but he might need drastic change to keep in good standing with potential new owner Ted Leonsis.

Not all is lost for the franchise that's been called the "Clippers of the East," but the true mettle of this franchise will be tested mightily in the coming months.

http://espn.go.com/nba/dailydime/_/page/dime-091206/daily-dime


Posted by: kalo_rama | December 7, 2009 12:19 PM | Report abuse

SDMTSU - Of course teams win and lose games but those were the games that are a must win in order for them to be a playoff team...or as some of the geniuses here predict the 4th seed. So aren't you disappointed with the 7-12 start???
Yes, everybody here wants to be a GM including you!

Am i disappointed in the start? No. Am I disappointed in the way they play at times? Yes. Here is a news flash THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A MUST WIN GAME IN THE FIRST WEEK OF DECEMBER Teams are feeling themselves out to be playing their best basketball going to the new year and into the stretch run. Funny that they're right in the range I predicted them to be in give or take a few games.

And I don't know why you would want to be a GM but cool. I'll be that too.

Posted by: SDMDTSU | December 7, 2009 12:32 PM | Report abuse

"THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A MUST WIN GAME IN THE FIRST WEEK OF DECEMBER"

That my friend is a thinking of a loser. So you think a game with a team lets say the Pacers or the Wolves is not a must win for the team. I guess you're one of the people that thinks that this team can go from 0 to 60 in less than 5 sec. Good for you.

Posted by: Dave381 | December 7, 2009 12:50 PM | Report abuse

it's about more than just winning a given game, it's about establishing the team's identity and rotation. So far, still looks very random to me.

Posted by: divi3 | December 7, 2009 1:05 PM | Report abuse

Except for Friday night, Arenas looks like he's lost his burst on the offensive end. He's always been a liability as a defender, but now it like we're playing 4 on 5 most possessions. People don't seem to realize that Haywood essentially has to cover both the PG and the opposing teams' best big on most possession because Arenas can't stay in front of his man.

On the offensive end, it's way too much one on one from Arenas, Butler, Boykins, etc. No ball movement which is why TO's usually outnumber assists. The Wiz don't look like they are running an offense as much as a bunch of ISO's. That's either the coaching or the players are doing what they want on the offensive end.

Posted by: wizfan89 | December 7, 2009 1:27 PM | Report abuse

The ESPN article is interesting, the bad assists to turnovers suggests confusion which is more evident on the Wiz than a lost will to win. They look like they don't have a plan in mind, particularly Flip's but that's correctable assuming that the Wizards will eventually learn the system and how to play with each other.

The purveyors of gloom don't want to hear it but injuries and Flip's new system are still the likely cause of the current farce. Don't hold your breath but there is hope things will improve.

Interesting the Sixers as constructed with Bland the supposed centerpiece are not adjusting to EJ's Princeton offense and are also struggling with injuries.

Jamison's chagrin at Flip's suggestion that he was too enamored of the 3point shot and Arenas' inconsistency and evident confusion at times are telling. Butler is struggling but he doesn't look as bad as some suggest. Haywood looks pretty serviceable at center.

Fast running out of early season to keep saying it yet all may not be lost. There is still time to turn it around and still reason to believe that they might.

Not just us unrepentant dreamers, the pre-season assessments from a range of basketball professionals including GM's and analysts thought the Wizards a competetive team.

Posted by: midlevex | December 7, 2009 1:29 PM | Report abuse

That my friend is a thinking of a loser. So you think a game with a team lets say the Pacers or the Wolves is not a must win for the team. I guess you're one of the people that thinks that this team can go from 0 to 60 in less than 5 sec. Good for you.

No it's the thinking of common sense. Divi said it best right under your comment. I'm more concerned with the WAY they play. Should they beat Minnesota? Absolutely. Are they going to miss the playoffs if they do? No. Are they going to the finals if they beat Boston? No. They need to be working towards developing consistency.

I swear it's so much talk about "blind followers" but people are always talking about the Wizards playing no defense, Abe was cheap, and EG is a horrible GM. Nobody can back any of that up though. People just forming opinions off what the next man said. Half the time I wonder what you people are talking about.

Posted by: SDMDTSU | December 7, 2009 2:33 PM | Report abuse

People don't seem to realize that Haywood essentially has to cover both the PG and the opposing teams' best big on most possession because Arenas can't stay in front of his man.

Posted by: wizfan89
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I agree and If I'm not mistaken you might be talking mostly about pick and roll. I said this about a week ago. Don't know why he is so poor at it. Or if they address it or not. He has to try harder to anticipate it and then fight though and not under.

Posted by: millineumman | December 7, 2009 2:37 PM | Report abuse

Arenas that is.

Posted by: millineumman | December 7, 2009 2:41 PM | Report abuse

I think people can back up their opinions on Abe and Ernie as a GM. I doubt anyone would raise much of an arguement about thewiz not playing defense very well (only team in the SE division giving up 100pts per game). But you are right that those things (except the defense thing) don't matter much. If Abe, god rest his soul, was cheap he can't be anymore. If EG has done poorly, that issue will be looked at by new ownership. We as fans can only look at the team that's on the floor and evaluate what we see. What most of us see is a injury riddled squad of aging,overpaid veterans mixed with a few young fellas that don't know how to play the pro game. The team we get to watch every week is the same squad that people thought was gonna win 50 games just because flip had done it before. well the honeymoon's over and now it's time for the hard work, the only rub is that we don't have a team full of hard hat guys.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | December 7, 2009 2:48 PM | Report abuse

BTW i think folks get the former owner's philanthropy as a community member and his obligations to the team and it's fans as the team's owner mixed up. I doubt anyone thinks the late MR. Polin was a stingy human being. Most people who've uttered the term Cheap in reference to Mr.Polin were applying it to his FA spending and willingness to pay players in the Draft. But hopefully no one brings up the issue of "Cheap Abe" again, no one's even said it since his passing.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | December 7, 2009 2:52 PM | Report abuse

No it's the thinking of common sense. Divi said it best right under your comment. I'm more concerned with the WAY they play. Should they beat Minnesota? Absolutely. Are they going to miss the playoffs if they do? No. Are they going to the finals if they beat Boston? No. They need to be working towards developing consistency.

I swear it's so much talk about "blind followers" but people are always talking about the Wizards playing no defense, Abe was cheap, and EG is a horrible GM. Nobody can back any of that up though. People just forming opinions off what the next man said. Half the time I wonder what you people are talking about.

Posted by: SDMDTSU | December 7, 2009 2:33 PM | Report abuse

Do I think Abe was cheap? No, au contraire, most of the team (beside AB and the youngsters) is vastly overpaid.
Do I think the team plays no defense. Yes, especially the small 3 (unfortunately, it's mitigating the defensive efforts of Haywood and AB).
Do I think EG is a great GM? Decent, yes, great, far from it. He has made good moves but also questionable ones such as resigning Gil to a max contract while injured (while signing AJ is questionable, I do believe he is valuable and definitely a nice trade asset.
Do I think there are blind followers on this blog? Yes and plenty. I appreciate the optimism but when you blame injuries, new coach, new systems.....that isn't considered optimism, that's insanity. (especially when you are playing a team that was essentially missing 3 starters and has a new coach).

Posted by: Utilityman1 | December 7, 2009 2:54 PM | Report abuse

Arenas' obvious defensive liabilities or not, so far this season the problem has been scoring rather than defending. Just in the 20 games so far, we've seen extended stretches of better defense than we ever saw under EJ.

If Gil and Caron were each hitting a handful more Js every night, how much would that solve? imo, it would be HUGE if CB got back to the 45%fg range and Gil worked back up to around 42%

but just how long does Flip go to a well done run dry? I've got plenty of patience with Gil (no choice really anyway), but CB really needs to start performing for the team to do anything

Posted by: divi3 | December 7, 2009 2:57 PM | Report abuse

Its fine and easy to paint a dismal picture and point fingers but I think it's all encouraging. The wiz were in it until the end for the last two games, both those games were winnable. Until Gil gets his end-of-game swagger back maybe that's the best you can ask for.

The upcoming Boston game will be telling, they'll be playing one of the best teams in the East, period. If history says anything the zards seem to get up for these games. I think a big key to that game will be Haywood who always has played Garnett well, but he hasn't faced him in a couple years.

Posted by: boblas | December 7, 2009 2:58 PM | Report abuse

Do I think the team plays no defense. Yes, especially the small 3 (unfortunately, it's mitigating the defensive efforts of Haywood and AB).

This is what I'm talking about. Look at where the Wizards rank is opponents FG%
5th. Tied with Boston and Orlando at 44.3%

Last season it was 48.2% and I know Brendan wasn't there...the year before that? 46%

The problem is OFFENSIVE. Missed baskets(especially long jumpers lead to fast breaks)

Defense isn't the problem. It's just another popular myth.

Posted by: SDMDTSU | December 7, 2009 3:11 PM | Report abuse

Flip needs to bring out the hypnotist & magician again and see if he can get a spell put on this group and turn them into a TEAM. They are not playing together. Everyone of them is expecting the other guy to do something and nothing is getting done.
The talent is there.
Maybe Flip should go to the two platoon system and play 1st team for 10 minutes then the 2nd team for ten minutes.
Can't do any worse than their doing now.

Posted by: VBFan | December 7, 2009 3:21 PM | Report abuse

"Should they beat Minnesota? Absolutely. Are they going to miss the playoffs if they do? No."

Surely you want to beat the bottom tier teams if you have ambitions on going to the playoffs.

Posted by: Dave381 | December 7, 2009 3:31 PM | Report abuse

"People don't seem to realize that Haywood essentially has to cover both the PG and the opposing teams' best big on most possession because Arenas can't stay in front of his man."

Which makes him no different than any other C. Covering the lane on dribble penetration is part of a C's standard job description, and with the no-handcheck rule in effect (as it has been for years now) keeping quick ballhandling guards out of the lane one-on-one is next to impossible.

Posted by: kalo_rama | December 7, 2009 3:32 PM | Report abuse

Has Haywood ever won a jump ball this year? Obviously, his free throw shooting makes him a liability down the stretch as Flip yanked him vs the Raps under a minute left.

He routinely misses easy tip ins around the hoop and doesn't consistently block shots.

So tell me why the Wizards need to resign this guy so badly next year? Especially with a gifted young talent in McGee waiting in the wings.

Posted by: elfreako | December 7, 2009 4:20 PM | Report abuse

Season over? No. Are we approaching life support this early in the season? Yes.

What is the issue? It's not talent level as most analyst's in the preseason had the Wiz as the most improved team and challenging for the 4/5th seed in the East. It's not coaching as FS resume speaks for itself. FS might be the best coach we've had in decades.

I think the biggest problem at the moment is chemistry. Now, the biggest question that remains to be answered is whether the chemistry issues are adjustments to a new system or players that for some reason just don't mesh well anymore which is somewhat surprising as they have had success in the past and are a much deeper team now.

Could there be some dissension contributing to the chemistry problems? Unfortunately, maybe. The top players are being outplayed consistently by players who are making much less - AB/Haywood. Plus, GA's quirks become more annoying to fans and players alike when his play is not overshadowing said quirkiness/moodiness.

There is still to right the ship, but not much!

Mark my words. If things are still heading this direction at the trading deadline, CB will be traded. Why do I say that? Well, bc something will have to be done to change the chemistry and he seems to be part of that problem and is the most tradeable player of the big three for sure.

Posted by: rphilli721 | December 7, 2009 4:38 PM | Report abuse

Defense isn't the problem. It's just another popular myth.

Posted by: SDMDTSU | December 7, 2009 3:11 PM | Report abuse
i repeat, the only team in the SE division giving up 100+ ppg. how is that not a problem for the Wiz?

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | December 7, 2009 5:05 PM | Report abuse

I hope the Wizards make the playoffs. However, it will be a struggle. The mythical marketing ploy known as the big three simply is a concept that never came to fruition, and never will. The only big three to ever exist was: Hayes, Dandridge, and Unseld. I am trying not to, but I can't help from thinking the Wizards are due for another injury soon, and/or the players are going to give up on Saunder's. Hopefully, this won't happen, but the history of the Bullets/Wizarsd continues to repeat itself. After this season's experiment, it should be time to give up on the big three veteran concept, go with the superstar with the supporting cast theory, and see what happens. Also, the Wizards need to think about getting some local flavor in the mix. Afterall, OKC represents the D.C. area better than the Wizards.

Posted by: Theone9 | December 7, 2009 5:15 PM | Report abuse

It's not coaching as FS resume speaks for itself.
Posted by: rphilli721 | December 7, 2009 4:38 PM | Report abuse

Im so tired of hearing about what this tough guy did at the other jail!We're seeing him coach now. don't trot out the resume and act like he's above reproach. 50 wins this 50 wins that, the only problem is that he's got to coach now and the results are mixed. obviously, with a full healthy roster things could be different,but he's stil gotta coach the guys he has out there. and so far i'm not very impressed.


FS might be the best coach we've had in decades.


Bickerstaff,Gar Heard,Leonard Hamilton,Eddie Jordan,Jim Lynam,Doug Collins

I don't think it would be hard to call yourself the best out of this bunch, but then again EJ coached the wiz to the playoffs multiple years so to sit here at 7-12 and just say Flip is better than anybody is maybe giving him more credit than he deserves.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | December 7, 2009 5:18 PM | Report abuse

WHAT HAS FLIP WON???????????????EVER

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | December 7, 2009 5:21 PM | Report abuse

Gilbert Arenas Salary for 2010: $16.1 mil

Per Game Average: $196,341

Quote of dedication and focus after the Pistons Game:

"The building was cold," Arenas said. "I never really got into a rhythm. I got two quick fouls and I had to sit for a while. I didn't want to try to force anything. I wasn't in the flow of it."

TRULY PRICELESS!!

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | December 7, 2009 5:38 PM | Report abuse

I generally agree with Kal's assessments, but not on Arenas' defense of the pick and roll. He makes no effort to either go over and under around the pick. The most he will do is trail the cutting big to foul him. If you watch a good defensive PG (or any defender), they are in good position and constantly sliding their feet to stay in front of their man. In ISO situations, you can see that the PG's on other teams can't wait to take Arenas off the dribble.

If this is due to a lack of lateral movement because of his knee, I understand it. Given that he's always been a poor on the ball defender, it's harder to believe he's giving a full effort on the defensive end. Watch the top defensive PG's like Deron Williams and Rajon Rondo. They are always in front of their man, moving their feet, and willing to take a charge. That can't be said about Agent Zero.

It's also tough for your coach to sell the team on playing tough D when his star player takes a breather at that end of the court.

Posted by: wizfan89 | December 7, 2009 5:47 PM | Report abuse

Was Larry Brown a worse coach in New York, where the team took a fast train to lotteryville, than he was in Philly or Detroit, where he got to the Finals 3 times and won a title? Did the Knicks, with essentially the same talent, get better after he left and a less experienced coach with a less impressive resume took over? (Don't bother looking it up. The answer in all cases is "no.")

If the team is playing poorly, does the coach deserve some of the blame? Sure. Is it likely he's the sole problem? Almost never. The coach doesn't miss jumpshots, layups, or FTs, blow defensive assignments, or dribble the ball off his foot.

Posted by: kalo_rama | December 7, 2009 6:29 PM | Report abuse

The problem is OFFENSIVE. Missed baskets(especially long jumpers lead to fast breaks)

Defense isn't the problem. It's just another popular myth.

Posted by: SDMDTSU | December 7, 2009 3:11 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, once (if ever this season) we fix the offense, our horrific defense will be exposed further because then, team will have no choice but to be more aggressive offensively as well.
Right now, the only reason that the defense superficially looks ok is because team aren't pressure the Wiz much because quite frankly, they haven't had to. My 5-year old can see that they play extremely inadequate defense so stats aren't necessarily the best determinants.

Posted by: Utilityman1 | December 7, 2009 6:32 PM | Report abuse

Has Haywood ever won a jump ball this year? Obviously, his free throw shooting makes him a liability down the stretch as Flip yanked him vs the Raps under a minute left.

Can anyone answer this because I have been wondering the same thing. The guy is over 7 ft after all.

Posted by: Utilityman1 | December 7, 2009 6:34 PM | Report abuse

Mark my words. If things are still heading this direction at the trading deadline, CB will be traded. Why do I say that? Well, bc something will have to be done to change the chemistry and he seems to be part of that problem and is the most tradeable player of the big three for sure.

Posted by: rphilli721 | December 7, 2009 4:38 PM | Report abuse

I believe that AJ has the highest trade value among the small 3.
Also, it is foolish to assume that Flip is doing a great coaching job right now based on his resume.
I am a Flip supporter but he is partly to blame for this current debacle. The team has no identity whatsoever, there are teams with worse records who you watch play and are able to determine some type of vision, strategy. With the Wiz, you see nothing but individual performers trying to get theirs and miserably failing at it. And that, in my opinion, is coaching.
Also, there is talent on this team and one of the coach primary functions is to get it realized.
As decent as I believe Flip is, I am sure he is aware of these very shortcomings and will be working to remedy them.

Posted by: Utilityman1 | December 7, 2009 6:43 PM | Report abuse

"Also, it is foolish to assume that Flip is doing a great coaching job right now based on his resume."

No one said he was doing a "great coaching job," so what are you talking about?

"Also, there is talent on this team"

There's talent on every team in the NBA. The question is, is there enough of the right kind and mix of talent to be competitive at a high level? The answer appears to be no, at least at the moment. This team has a lot of holes in terms of needed skills and abilities. All the coaching in the world can't turn players into something they're not.

Posted by: kalo_rama | December 7, 2009 6:47 PM | Report abuse

If the team is playing poorly, does the coach deserve some of the blame? Sure. Is it likely he's the sole problem? Almost never. The coach doesn't miss jumpshots, layups, or FTs, blow defensive assignments, or dribble the ball off his foot.

Posted by: kalo_rama | December 7, 2009 6:29 PM | Report abuse

Yes, except the coach has the authority to sit players that constantly miss jumpshots, layups, blow defensive assignments, dribble the ball of their foots......which he isn't doing.

Posted by: Utilityman1 | December 7, 2009 6:48 PM | Report abuse

There's talent on every team in the NBA. The question is, is there enough of the right kind and mix of talent to be competitive at a high level? The answer appears to be no, at least at the moment. This team has a lot of holes in terms of needed skills and abilities. All the coaching in the world can't turn players into something they're not.

Posted by: kalo_rama | December 7, 2009 6:47 PM | Report abuse

Ok, then, this team was poorly constructed and many of you got on my case for making this very claim weeks ago by religiously defending EG.

Posted by: Utilityman1 | December 7, 2009 6:52 PM | Report abuse

The core of this team has been together for what--- 3 years.
Isn't that long enuff for them to gel?
I thought by now Flip wudda worked some kinda magic and they would be playing as a TEAM.
Teams that stay together for a couple of seasons should be playing better.

It looks like these guys just met.

Posted by: VBFan | December 7, 2009 6:59 PM | Report abuse

@Hollywood,

What has EJ won ever? Ding dong. His resume is better than any coach we've had in decades. How many 50+ win seasons has he had? How many times has he been to the conference finals? How does his winning percentage stack up against his peers? Top 10 I do believe. So don't come at me with that weak junk!

The problems with this team don't fall on FS shoulders. Right now it falls on the "all-stars" none of whom are playing anything like all-stars. GA has some built in excuses for now what is AJ's and CB's excuse?

Posted by: rphilli721 | December 7, 2009 7:13 PM | Report abuse

@Utility,

This franchise wasn't on the NBA map before EG took the reigns. They were literally a laughing stock - minus the MJ retirement party. You have short term memory problems? Sometimes the best laid plans don't work out and you have to start over. But, there is considerable talent on this team now and for the future. Besides, this team is not cooked just yet.

Posted by: rphilli721 | December 7, 2009 7:27 PM | Report abuse

I agree with SMDTSU above, the problem with this team is not defensive it is offensive. They are playing better defense that they ever did for EJ. One possible reason for giving up so many 100+ games could be that they generally have a lot of turnovers which leads to my next point. (They used to be in the top half of the league in fewest turnovers you may recall under EJ).

I still contend that the main problem with this team is that the main players are playing in a different offense than they have the last four years. They are still getting adjusted to it. This is exacerbated by the fact that Gil is still trying to regain his all star form from being out almost two years (while trying to be an effective PG is FS system).

I am starting to think that it may take some time before this team can click on all cylinders, unfortunately.

Posted by: cannontl | December 7, 2009 7:35 PM | Report abuse

For those lamenting the rotations and inconsistencies that we see on a nightly basis, what do you want FS to do? He is trying to find the right combination of players to win games. He specifically said in the preseason he likes a tight rotation, but this team won't let him maintain one. Nobody has played at a high level consistently. Nobody! And his best players have been the most inconsistent.

I, for one, would love to see AB get more minutes than he has since AJ's return and in combination with AJ and Haywood. That front court has worked well and I would like to see more of it. Go figure that AB has been one of the better players at making basketball plays and playing well within the system on both sides of the ball.

Posted by: rphilli721 | December 7, 2009 7:36 PM | Report abuse

@Cannon,

There may be something to what you say, but basketball is basketball. This system is not making them miss shots or play lethargically at the beginning of games. Like I've insinuated before based on player's comments, this team has chemistry issues. The biggest problems seem to be mental and I'm not sure why other than GA. His situation I can at least understand for the moment.

Posted by: rphilli721 | December 7, 2009 7:41 PM | Report abuse

"Charlie V., a guy whom I said Les BouleS should have signed, looked like a young Derrick Coleman!!!"

Was that a compliment or an insult? Really, it's hard to tell where D.C. is concerned.

Posted by: kalo_rama | December 7, 2009 12:14 AM | Report abuse

Look at the stats and tell me.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/c/colemde01.html

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | December 7, 2009 7:42 PM | Report abuse

"Has Haywood ever won a jump ball this year? Obviously, his free throw shooting makes him a liability down the stretch as Flip yanked him vs the Raps under a minute left. He routinely misses easy tip ins around the hoop and doesn't consistently block shots.So tell me why the Wizards need to resign this guy so badly next year?"

I don't know if they need to resign him but as of today Haywood leads the league in offensive rebounding. He averages more blocks per game than Dwight Howard. He's averaging a double double. If he gets his foul shooting back to where it was 2 years ago, Flip won't be pulling him. If you're looking for someone to blame for this season look elsewhere. Haywood's getting it done.

Posted by: steveh46 | December 7, 2009 7:43 PM | Report abuse

""Abe's influence on EG has little to do with the draft picks that were selected and are no longer with this team or the FA's signed that are also no longer with this team."

Of course it did. He owned the team. He was well known to be actively involved in its operation and had to sign off on every deal Grunfeld made. Moreover, Pollin's obvious emotional attachment in the Big 3 certainly played a part in the decision to re-sign Arenas and Jamison rather that concede that perhaps the Big 3 era had gone as far as it could and start over, going forward. And since the presence of the Big 3 is the axis around which everything else spins, that decision affected all others.

Posted by: kalo_rama | December 7, 2009 12:13 AM | Report abuse "

At Abe's old age and failing health, I find it hard to believe he would know who Dee Brown was.

Also, with Abe's "high morals," I seriously doubt if he was emotionally attached enough to encourage EG to re-sign AB after his john arrest.....unless AB was hooking Abe up with sloppy seconds aftewards.

Maybe Abe resigned MeShawn so that he could kick it with MeShawn and Soulja Boy at the club.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | December 7, 2009 7:48 PM | Report abuse

Well put Steve. I would be Blatche in that category as well. The team has been waiting for him to play like this for years and when he finally does the "all-stars" are stinking up the joint. That is the type of thing that coaching or

Posted by: rphilli721 | December 7, 2009 7:51 PM | Report abuse

.....EG don't have a lot of control over. Things aren't gelling together.

Posted by: rphilli721 | December 7, 2009 7:52 PM | Report abuse

@rphilli,

There could be other underlying issues with this team including chemistry, but after only 19 games it is hard for me tell. The main players have played well together in the past.

We have seen some improvement from early in the season. I am thinking this team will gradually get better as the year goes on, but will they get good enough (fast enough) to be a playoff contender this year?

Two other important questions are can Gil get back to being close to the player he once was? And can he be an effective PG in FS's system? (Or does one question answer the other?).

Posted by: cannontl | December 7, 2009 8:07 PM | Report abuse

i repeat, the only team in the SE division giving up 100+ ppg. how is that not a problem for the Wiz?

Because the Wizards are actually playing good half court defense. Check this out:

The Wizards and the Celtics are giving up the exact same FG % to their opponents. Why are the Celtics giving up 10 less points a game?

It's not turnovers either. That's identical too. (Turnovers do lead to easy baskets though) The difference is offense.
The Celtics are shooting 50% OFFENSIVELY.

The Wizards are shooting 43%. And the long jumpers lead to transition baskets. The TYPE of shots isn't helping either. The don't shoot 3's well right now either to bail them out. Gil isn't getting to the lane and getting fouls like he used to and I don't think enough low post plays for Jamison are getting called.

One thing that reminds me of the old days, the Wizards are near the bottom of the league in opponents 3pt % AGAIN.

When can you remember ever saying the Wizards were among the league leaders in rebounding, and defensive FG? On the level of Boston, and AHEAD of San Antonio.

If the Wizards could get some offensive rhythm, they could spend more time in half court defense. Where they are actually BETTER than most of the league.

Once again...a popular myth.

Posted by: SDMDTSU | December 7, 2009 8:22 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, once (if ever this season) we fix the offense, our horrific defense will be exposed further because then, team will have no choice but to be more aggressive offensively as well.

So team aren't playing well offensively against the Wizards because they don't have to? They're just missing shots just because? Seriously? That's you final answer?

Right now, the only reason that the defense superficially looks ok is because team aren't pressure the Wiz much because quite frankly, they haven't had to. My 5-year old can see that they play extremely inadequate defense so stats aren't necessarily the best determinants.

Maybe your 5 year old knows about enough basketball as you do.

Posted by: SDMDTSU | December 7, 2009 8:27 PM | Report abuse

Geez...I'm typing on my iPhone so that last post just sounds horrible. enough = as much

Posted by: SDMDTSU | December 7, 2009 8:33 PM | Report abuse

@Utility,

This franchise wasn't on the NBA map before EG took the reigns. They were literally a laughing stock - minus the MJ retirement party. You have short term memory problems? Sometimes the best laid plans don't work out and you have to start over. But, there is considerable talent on this team now and for the future. Besides, this team is not cooked just yet.

Posted by: rphilli721 | December 7, 2009 7:27 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, it was definitely an improvement over Wes Unseld, wow, let's elect him into the Hall of Fame!
I have never said that EG is a terrible GM but some of his draft picks are questionable and signing a severely injured Gil (who never played defense even when healthy) was a huge mistake that's bound to hinder the team for years. Sorry you can't recognize that.

Posted by: Utilityman1 | December 7, 2009 8:33 PM | Report abuse

Maybe your 5 year old knows about enough basketball as you do.

Posted by: SDMDTSU | December 7, 2009 8:27 PM | Report abuse

I will make sure she doesn't grow up to be a blind follower, moron!

Posted by: Utilityman1 | December 7, 2009 8:52 PM | Report abuse

Well, Unseld never even pretended to be a good GM. In fact, he didn't even want the job, so let's not lower the bar so much when comparing EG to past GM's.

The fact of the matter is that EG, despite given some freedom to acquire players at high costs, hasn't been able to put together a consistent and winning team, hasn't been able to draft well, and hasn't been able to acquire FA's that have consistently made a positive impact on the team.

EG has been good at getting rid of dead weight from past regimes (MeTawn for Laettner, Kwame for Caron), but he's also been responsible for signing the dead weight that he got rid of (ET, DSong, Opech, AD, etc.).

Even the good players that he's gotten (Gilby, MeTawn, Caron, etc.), they've done nothing in the playoffs and even though they've made it to the first round 3 seasons in a row, they looked pretty much uncompetitive 2 of the 3 times.

Abe hired EG to get him another ring. I don't see the team any closer this season.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | December 7, 2009 8:53 PM | Report abuse

I have never said that EG is a terrible GM but some of his draft picks are questionable and signing a severely injured Gil (who never played defense even when healthy) was a huge mistake that's bound to hinder the team for years. Sorry you can't recognize that.

EVERY GM has questionable picks. The majority of picks DON'T stick. The only was top get a bunch of top picks is to LOSE. Otherwise they are mid to late picks and still a crap shot. So what GM's record are you impressed with?

Posted by: SDMDTSU | December 7, 2009 8:54 PM | Report abuse

I will make sure she doesn't grow up to be a blind follower, moron!

And I see the maturity level is about equal. Like father, like son. State facts or STFU.

Posted by: SDMDTSU | December 7, 2009 8:56 PM | Report abuse

EVERY GM has questionable picks. The majority of picks DON'T stick. The only was top get a bunch of top picks is to LOSE. Otherwise they are mid to late picks and still a crap shot. So what GM's record are you impressed with?

Posted by: SDMDTSU | December 7, 2009 8:54 PM | Report abuse

You failed to address the meat of my comment which was the signing of Gil.

Posted by: Utilityman1 | December 7, 2009 8:58 PM | Report abuse

will make sure she doesn't grow up to be a blind follower, moron!

And I see the maturity level is about equal. Like father, like son. State facts or STFU.

Posted by: SDMDTSU | December 7, 2009 8:56 PM | Report abuse

I stated a fact, you are an idiot and blind follower.

Posted by: Utilityman1 | December 7, 2009 8:59 PM | Report abuse

You failed to address the meat of my comment which was the signing of Gil.

I ignored it because it's been discussed many times. Gil was and still is the franchise player. Maybe you forgot what he was capable of? He at times carried the Wizards. I don't think anyone expected him to miss last season either. If doctors say he's healthy, that's the information you go with. The jury is still out on whether or not he returns to form.

Like it's been said before. If you DON'T sign Gil, you probably lose Jamison too because I doubt he sticks around for a rebuilding process. So then what? Youre stuck with a team led by Caron Butler and Antonio Daniels.

If you're Ernie what do YOU do? I remember everyone was saying let Gil and Jamison walk and sign Baron Davis and Elton Brand.

Yeah...that's going to bring a title...

Posted by: SDMDTSU | December 7, 2009 9:07 PM | Report abuse


We're not winning a title with Gil and Antawn...

Posted by: 2020doc | December 7, 2009 9:10 PM | Report abuse

I stated a fact, you are an idiot and blind follower.

I refute your bad defense argument with facts and stats and you respond with name calling.

Sounds about right.

Posted by: SDMDTSU | December 7, 2009 9:10 PM | Report abuse

I ignored it because it's been discussed many times. Gil was and still is the franchise player. Maybe you forgot what he was capable of? He at times carried the Wizards. I don't think anyone expected him to miss last season either. If doctors say he's healthy, that's the information you go with. The jury is still out on whether or not he returns to form.

Like it's been said before. If you DON'T sign Gil, you probably lose Jamison too because I doubt he sticks around for a rebuilding process. So then what? Youre stuck with a team led by Caron Butler and Antonio Daniels.

If you're Ernie what do YOU do? I remember everyone was saying let Gil and Jamison walk and sign Baron Davis and Elton Brand.

Yeah...that's going to bring a title...


Posted by: SDMDTSU | December 7, 2009 9:07 PM | Report abuse

I don't believe that signing Baron Davis and Brand would have been great but it sure would have been better than what they have now.
If "no defense", "3 knee surgeries" Gil is your franchise player, then you are in deep trouble. Oh wait, they are in trouble, what a coincidence!
What's wrong with rebuilding then with high draft picks and plenty of cash to sign free agents?
It sure beats being the current situation of being handicapped for the next 5 years.

Posted by: Utilityman1 | December 7, 2009 9:12 PM | Report abuse

We're not winning a title with Gil and Antawn...

They've played 10 games together (not including the 2 last season) and they're 5-5.

Posted by: SDMDTSU | December 7, 2009 9:13 PM | Report abuse

I refute your bad defense argument with facts and stats and you respond with name calling.

Sounds about right.

Posted by: SDMDTSU | December 7, 2009 9:10 PM | Report abuse

Well, you shouldn't have mentioned my daughter negatively.

Posted by: Utilityman1 | December 7, 2009 9:13 PM | Report abuse

When did 5-5 equate to winning a title?
Or are you saying at least they're not horrible and it's still early?

Posted by: 2020doc | December 7, 2009 9:18 PM | Report abuse

When did 5-5 equate to winning a title?
Or are you saying at least they're not horrible and it's still early?

It's definitely too early. I don't think they're championship worthy right now and they won't be unless Gil returns to form.

Every championship team needs that one guy that can completely take over a game.

That's not Gil, or Caron, or Jamison. Unless Gil gets back right...they are a collection of role players with no star.

Posted by: SDMDTSU | December 7, 2009 9:29 PM | Report abuse

It's definitely too early. I don't think they're championship worthy right now and they won't be unless Gil returns to form.

Every championship team needs that one guy that can completely take over a game.

That's not Gil, or Caron, or Jamison. Unless Gil gets back right...they are a collection of role players with no star.

Posted by: SDMDTSU | December 7, 2009 9:29 PM | Report abuse

If Gil ever comes back to form, they will be better, but nowhere near a championship team.

Posted by: Utilityman1 | December 7, 2009 9:37 PM | Report abuse

"Yes, except the coach has the authority to sit players that constantly miss jumpshots, layups, blow defensive assignments, dribble the ball of their foots......which he isn't doing."

(A) That's not true, because he has, in fact, taken to sitting Arenas for long periods and (B) it doesn't do him much good to sit guys who do all of those things when the guys he has to replace them do those things as well.

This team doesn't have nearly the depth of quality talent that some seem to want to believe it does.

Posted by: kalo_rama | December 7, 2009 9:43 PM | Report abuse

Well, you shouldn't have mentioned my daughter negatively.

Actually, I mentioned YOU negatively...but whatever.

I don't believe that signing Baron Davis and Brand would have been great but it sure would have been better than what they have now.

No. It wouldn't Brand missed just about as much time as Gil last season and hasn't done much this year either.

If "no defense", "3 knee surgeries" Gil is your franchise player, then you are in deep trouble. Oh wait, they are in trouble, what a coincidence!

The whole team didn't play defense. They're playing better defense now...so what are you saying? He's played less than 20 games after missing 2 years.

What's wrong with rebuilding then with high draft picks and plenty of cash to sign free agents? It sure beats being the current situation of being handicapped for the next 5 years.

Does it? It pretty much sounds like you're willing to lose for a few years and take a crap shot on free agent signings AGAIN. Who exactly were they going to sign? And who wants to play for a losing team anyway? And draft picks have a high failure rate.

Then you end up like New Jersey this season. HOPING someone will take all the money they have to spend and usually overpaying for mediocre talent because they can't give the money away.

Look at the class of free agents and tell me where that money was going to go.

http://www.sportscity.com/NBA/NBA-Free-Agents-2008/

Unless you want to build around Young, McGee, Critt, McGurie and Blatche.

Posted by: SDMDTSU | December 7, 2009 9:52 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | December 7, 2009 9:53 PM | Report abuse

Unless you want to build around Young, McGee, Critt, McGurie and Blatche.

Posted by: SDMDTSU | December 7, 2009 9:52 PM | Report abuse

Ok, so what happens when the team stinks it up further and the small 3 plays the same way they are playing now? How can you start over if your cap space is clogged up? Remember the Juwan Howard years? They will look all too familiar.

Posted by: Utilityman1 | December 7, 2009 10:00 PM | Report abuse

Unless you want to build around Young, McGee, Critt, McGurie and Blatche.

Posted by: SDMDTSU | December 7, 2009 9:52 PM | Report abuse

Ok, so what happens when the team stinks it up further and the small 3 plays the same way they are playing now? How can you start over if your cap space is clogged up? Remember the Juwan Howard years? They will look all too familiar.

Posted by: Utilityman1 | December 7, 2009 10:01 PM | Report abuse

Ok, so what happens when the team stinks it up further and the small 3 plays the same way they are playing now? How can you start over if your cap space is clogged up? Remember the Juwan Howard years? They will look all too familiar.

They're 5 games under .500 with over 60 to go. They are in a new system and they're struggling offensively. I expected as much. I didn't think they would start kicking until mid to late December.

They're not capped out. If they want to start over they can let Haywood, Miller and Foye walk. Butler comes off the next season. The only two contracts with any length are Arenas and Jamison.

Posted by: SDMDTSU | December 7, 2009 10:15 PM | Report abuse

I'm done with these Bums. I've given them every excuse in the book for the last 5-6 years. I'm tired of the selfish, uninspired as long as I get mine play from this group. Anybody get a team I can jump on that knows how to play together and WANT TO WIN?

Posted by: lemekdivine | December 7, 2009 10:24 PM | Report abuse

@SDMD,

It's useless arguing with idiots. Isn't that a book title recently? lol Anyway, I recognize some failings of EG, but I also recognize the alternatives and the entire body of work. It's a net positive for the franchise and it doesn't make me a "blind follower" or whatever dumb moniker is used. It makes me objective. Next someone is going to bring up drafting Jennings at the 5 spot which no GM in the league was about to do. You don't have to be logical or smart to have an opinion.

Posted by: rphilli721 | December 8, 2009 12:01 AM | Report abuse

"They're not capped out. If they want to start over they can let Haywood, Miller and Foye walk. Butler comes off the next season. The only two contracts with any length are Arenas and Jamison."

They are capped out right now, and even if they don't re-sign any of their FAs next summer, they'll still only be about $4 mill under the cap (assuming the projections of a $54 mill cap are accurate), not enough to do much. Which means treading water for 2 years until Butler comes off the books, two years in which Arenas and Jamison get two years older.

Grunfeld's done his share of both good and bad as Wizards' GM, but if this current team doesn't pan out and finally live up to years of unfulfilled expectations, rebuilding is going to be no easy feat.

Posted by: kalo_rama | December 8, 2009 12:11 AM | Report abuse

I am pretty sure next year is the final year of Butler's contract. Regardless, he is traded this year if this ship is not righted. I almost guarantee it.

Posted by: rphilli721 | December 8, 2009 12:44 AM | Report abuse

"I'll let them figure it out," Arenas said. "Before, the whole building knew who was going to shoot the last four minutes. In this case, we have enough scorers. Sometimes, I won't shoot in the fourth quarter; I won't shoot in the last four minutes. I don't even think about it. I just go with the flow now. I don't want to get on anybody's bad side. I'm trying to play my role until all that weeds itself out."

This guy really does not have a clue...what has happened to arguably the best player on the wizards? for someone with the talent of GA to make a statement like this with the team struggling...this is not a leadership statement...this statement overflows with immaturity and non-committment...i guess highest paid, most talented does not necessarily mean team player/leader but i think it should...

Posted by: ronniecope106 | December 8, 2009 1:07 AM | Report abuse

Too early in the season to speculate about wild trades that will never happen?

Chris Paul (rumor has it he wants out of NO) and whatever makes the salaries work for Caron Butler, Nick Young and a pick?

Posted by: amalg | December 8, 2009 3:42 AM | Report abuse

Hmmm.... Chris Paul and Gilbert Arenas in the same backcourt? At the same time? How would that work? Which one is going to guard the other team's 2 guard? That's all I want to know...

Posted by: MeviousMan | December 8, 2009 7:36 AM | Report abuse

I suspect the Wiz's talent and depth are fine, at least for being a playoff team. You guys are judging this team too quickly.

Until they start playing well in FS's system and Gil gets close to reagaining his past form (assuming that he can), then it is really hard to judge how good this team can be.

Posted by: cannontl | December 8, 2009 8:37 AM | Report abuse

Our shake-down cruise with FLIP at the helm continues.

Posted by: glawrence007 | December 8, 2009 9:04 AM | Report abuse

It's useless arguing with idiots. Isn't that a book title recently? lol Anyway, I recognize some failings of EG, but I also recognize the alternatives and the entire body of work. It's a net positive for the franchise and it doesn't make me a "blind follower" or whatever dumb moniker is used. It makes me objective. Next someone is going to bring up drafting Jennings at the 5 spot which no GM in the league was about to do. You don't have to be logical or smart to have an opinion.

Posted by: rphilli721 | December 8, 2009 12:01 AM | Report abuse

Why would you label people idiots just because they believe EG made some questionable moves? That's pretty immature. Do you believe that every move EG made benefited this franchise?
The answer is no (he did make some good ones) and the proof is in the pudding. He was almost given carte blanche and millions to build a championship team and we end up with a dysfunctional team that will be fighting to make the playoffs in a weak Eastern conference.

Posted by: Utilityman1 | December 8, 2009 9:33 AM | Report abuse

i get what ur saying about the wiz shooting not being good enough to score with the teams they are allowing to score 100ppg, but doesn't that mean that they should be trying to keep teams under 100 ppg if they themselves are incapable of scoring that much. if the only way to win is to have more points than your opponent, why not limit their scoring so you don't have to score as much, especially if you're not a good shooting team? If we hold a team to 75 pts, we only need to score 76 a very attainable number, even considering the wiz shooting woes.

I don't know the league avg, but giving up 100 ppg doesn't sound like a good defensive number whether it's boston or the wiz or whoever. just because other teams have potent scoring to cover up for their defensive liabilities doesn't mean they are playing good defense. The wiz don't have that same luxury, and that's why our poor defense results in losses.The wiz can't score enough for the sake of their bad defense.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | December 8, 2009 9:56 AM | Report abuse

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