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Morning brew

Last night the Wizards suffered yet another crushing loss, this time to the Sacramento Kings. Michael Lee describes the team's sixth straight loss and offers some analysis.

Mike Jones of the Washington Times weighs in with his game story and postgame wrap-up.

Truth About It sums up the loss in 13 frames.

Below are highlights (and lowlights), courtesy of NBA.com:

Around the league ...
There were 12 games last night, which included Kobe Bryant's 39-point, buzzer-beating game-winning performance in the Lakers' 107-106 win over the Milwaukee Bucks.

Highlights from that game and all the rest in the Daily Zap:

By Alexa Steele  |  December 17, 2009; 11:45 AM ET
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"must have been half a dozen layups in the 2nd half as kings built a 9pt leadd"

Pulling over the last conversation to here...

Gonna sound like a broken record here but if the Wiz make thier FT's and stop giving up so many darn layups they win all of those games.(yes they did well from the line last night)

The Wiz scored 109 points which is great.

They gave up 112 points which is bad.

Basketball is NOT rocket science.

On a positive note, I loved the way they played in the last two minutes. They just have to find a way to stop the other players from scoring, and they can't.

The Wizards are soft. :(

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | December 17, 2009 12:16 PM | Report abuse

Kalo - I know these guys are soft and can't even fake it. That's why I have been riding Haywood for 6 months on here and have never liked him.

I'll give Etan one thing and one thing only. Before his heart problems, that guy would come down with hie massive arms and make a slender guard think twice about driving on him again. Darius was not afraid of bodying up hard, either, he just wasn't big enough to be terribly effective with it.

I'm saying I WISh these guys could play tougher and that we should get a center who is willing to do that.

I can't see McGee being that dude, either though.

Then again, since he gets the fouls quickly anyway, maybe by next year McGee will have enough bulk to lay the hammer instead of getting touch fouls.

Posted by: Blurred | December 17, 2009 1:31 PM | Report abuse

mcgee is a gifted shot blocker and it seems to me he always goes for the legit block rather than the hard foul.

Dom has some dog in him and Deshawn will foul pretty hard. After that, patty cake players

Posted by: divi3 | December 17, 2009 1:40 PM | Report abuse

"mcgee is a gifted shot blocker and it seems to me he always goes for the legit block rather than the hard foul."

Which is part of his problem. He's so intent on trying to block everything, that it's pretty much child's play to get him to bite on a pump/head fake, draw contact, and get a foul called on him (and that's not even mentioning the goal tends on shots that probably weren't going into the basket).

McGee's got a lot of potential and has shown improvement, but he's still too all over the place to be viewed as a reliable solution to any of the team's problems.

Posted by: kalo_rama | December 17, 2009 1:47 PM | Report abuse

Watching clips from the Lakers vs the Bucks, I'm reminded how close these games are. Without Kobe, the Lakers were basically toast, even against an average club like Milwaukee.

We were all hoping Gilbert would be that guy, and he hasn't been.

Which made me curious about how the current LA club was put together. From my informal survey of the regular lineup, appears to be one draft day trade (Bryant) one free agent (Artest), five draftees, and four trades (including Odom and Gasol).

Posted by: Samson151 | December 17, 2009 1:56 PM | Report abuse

Wizzies Fastbreak Points - 12
Kings Fastbreak Points - 33
Assist 13/21 Kings

These are HUSTLE stats.
Shows the Wizzies were not into it.
Seems like they believe all the preseason hype and that they are so good that they can just turn it on whenever they feel like it.
"IF" they ever figger out how to play for 48 minutes they might be able to turn this disaster around.

You gotta admit though that they just can't catch a break. The ball hasn't bounced their way in a long time. They get some bad calls against them, they play good "D" and someone makes a desperation shot as the shot clock is running out, or they make a good block and dislocate their shoulder.

Posted by: VBFan | December 17, 2009 2:02 PM | Report abuse

Be patient everyone.

Grunfled's a smart guy and he's got a plan to get 2/3 of our brain-dead "Mediocre Three" out of town. Saunders has to play Jamison and Butler to keep their value up and get either expiring contracts and/or young talent on the rise. He has to start them and give them all the minutes they can handle. It's not about Grunfeld thinking he can win with them, but about turning this organization around in the future, a future nearer than some of you think.

The Wizards are going nowhere with the Mediocre Three and I suspect Grunfeld's always known that and was just followin' the bossman's orders with the last contracts given to Arenas and, to a lesser degree, Jamison. Spare me the pious indignation as you question his integrity and say that he should have resigned if he disagreed with the path the team was taking under the late Abe Pollin. Would any of you resign from a multi-million dollar job when there's only 29 other jobs like yours? I thought not.

Saunders already let it slip that he's playing Stevenson to get more out of the Mediocre Three when it's painfully obvious that Stevenson is as big a sieve on defense as anyone on the roster and Young is better on defense and offense. That's crystal clear to everyone by now.

Patience.

Posted by: melodious_thunk | December 17, 2009 2:14 PM | Report abuse

this squad is looking awful, we can't put together one solid 48 minute effort, because jump shots quit falling and we keep playing awful d

Posted by: bford1kb | December 17, 2009 2:17 PM | Report abuse

if dom gets deshawn's 22 mins we win last night

Posted by: bford1kb | December 17, 2009 2:19 PM | Report abuse

You gotta admit though that they just can't catch a break. The ball hasn't bounced their way in a long time. They get some bad calls against them, they play good "D" and someone makes a desperation shot as the shot clock is running out, or they make a good block and dislocate their shoulder.

The fast breaking was annoying...it's like GET BACK...they were killing them there. Flip shouldve put a bigger body on Evans way earlier...but I didn't know Greene was 6'11...that's crazy...6'6'' 6'11 in the backcourt?

As far as the breaks...they didnt get them but they shouldve took it out of the hands of breaks. Between that blown 24 second violation, the multiple offensive rebounds at the end, Casspi hitting that desperation baseline shot. To break this streak they are going to have to get past those things and man the hell up.

Posted by: SDMDTSU | December 17, 2009 2:22 PM | Report abuse

Look, we all like Dom's work ethic and hustle, but he to say we'd have won if he played 35 minutes is ludicrous. Guy is what he is. A serviceable back up who can take advantage of some match ups.

And spare me the "he was +8 last night," cuz he was - 19 last game. + - may have some merit over a season, but not from game to game.

Posted by: Blurred | December 17, 2009 2:27 PM | Report abuse

i dont buy the stuff about mcgee being too raw, or thin, or liable to bite on pump fakes. Bottomline is he blocks shots in droves, changes lord knows how many other shots, yet is currently frozen out of the lineup.

there is no way it's based on performance, and there's no way a guy that dynamic shouldnt getting some PT on a team that plays defense as a lazy afterthought.

Posted by: divi3 | December 17, 2009 2:38 PM | Report abuse

what Dom is is a guy who defend tyreke evans for sure, and that's the type of thing i would expect a quality coach to be looking to do last night from the outset.

Posted by: divi3 | December 17, 2009 2:40 PM | Report abuse

i'm not sure how the league watching AJ and CB play big minutes in nightly losses increases their trade value

Posted by: divi3 | December 17, 2009 2:41 PM | Report abuse

fair enough divi. I still say you make him hurt after every drive in the lane.

Posted by: Blurred | December 17, 2009 2:42 PM | Report abuse

Grunfled's a smart guy

Posted by: melodious_thunk | December 17, 2009 2:14 PM | Report abuse

melodious_thunk

What has he done to make you think that?

Give Ernie a raise?

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | December 17, 2009 2:43 PM | Report abuse

"I still say you make him hurt after every drive in the lane."

i'm all for that too, just mystified that our most versatile/energetic defender who is also the one guy that gets back on D everytime can barely get off the bench.

what's he done?

and how is boykins possibly logging all these minutes ahead of Foye?

it's a big'ol raw egg in Ernie's face that Flip's arrival hasnt improved the team one iota

Posted by: divi3 | December 17, 2009 2:47 PM | Report abuse

"i'm all for that too, just mystified that our most versatile/energetic defender who is also the one guy that gets back on D everytime can barely get off the bench."

speaking of Dom here

Posted by: divi3 | December 17, 2009 2:49 PM | Report abuse


it's a big'ol raw egg in Ernie's face that Flip's arrival hasnt improved the team one iota

And it seemed so promising given the "it's our time" slogan.

Posted by: tgif11 | December 17, 2009 2:52 PM | Report abuse

given how well the starters seem to play against other teams 1st units, and how close all these losses have been...imo it makes the case for NOT blowing the team up as many seem to be saying should be done.

Posted by: divi3 | December 17, 2009 2:58 PM | Report abuse

"there is no way it's based on performance, and there's no way a guy that dynamic shouldnt getting some PT on a team that plays defense as a lazy afterthought.
Posted by: divi3"

I think it is based on performance, and if you eliminate the occasional spectacular block, McGee plays defense as an afterthought, too.

Nonetheless, I always like to see the guy on the court. He's full of energy.

Posted by: Samson151 | December 17, 2009 3:21 PM | Report abuse

"but I didn't know Greene was 6'11..."

Yes, and the most amazing thing is the guy was able to grow from 6'9" in shoes to 6'11" in the time it took to print the game program...

Posted by: Samson151 | December 17, 2009 3:27 PM | Report abuse

Melodius Thunk(nice redo by the way) You stated in your post that EG knew what he had in the big three and that's why he's just letting them play out the string well how did Eddie Jordan win with just two of the big three and get them to the postseason? Let me answer that for you COACHING!! Flip has more talent(with Gil back) and more depth but is he using it? The same thing people crticized EJ for Flip's doing the same thing i.e. not playing the youngsters,poor subsitutions,the wrong rotations,i'll say this EJ had a better staff cause Flip's staff is clueless(see the Pacers game)and why keep giving Gil the ball at the end of the game why not rub Gil off on a screen for an open shot, that takes the pressure off Gil until he feels he is physically all the way back or better yet, what about Caron or AJ or even Nick Young? This has more to do with Ernie Grunfeld than Flip Saunders but i don't want to go there.

Posted by: dargregmag | December 17, 2009 3:31 PM | Report abuse

given how well the starters seem to play against other teams 1st units, and how close all these losses have been...imo it makes the case for NOT blowing the team up as many seem to be saying should be done.

Posted by: divi3 | December 17, 2009 2:58 PM | Report abuse

divi3

With all due respect, do you remember all of the first round losses when these guys were younger and could rely on their athleticism?

Last year showed me what AJ and CB can do and so far this year it has shown me that these players are not willing to play "D" and are too selfish to play as a team.

Who are you, Ernie's agent?

Give Ernie a raise?

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | December 17, 2009 3:32 PM | Report abuse

"there is no way it's based on performance, and there's no way a guy that dynamic shouldnt getting some PT on a team that plays defense as a lazy afterthought."

Of course there's a way it's based on performance. There are many more lelemnts to the game than shotblocking, and mcGee struggles in most of them.

Posted by: kalo_rama | December 17, 2009 3:34 PM | Report abuse

That siad, I'd be fine with McGee getting more PT. It's not like what's going on now is yielding results.

Posted by: kalo_rama | December 17, 2009 3:36 PM | Report abuse

really havent been impressed with Flip at all yet. The Wiz were about their best when they were fastbreaking Suns of the East. Flips offense looks disjointed and slow. How many times has Flip taken out a hot Gilbert on AJ in critical situations. Gil was feeling it last night and shouldve played at least 39 minutes. The novelty of Boykins is starting to wear off yet Foye only gets about 8 minutes a game.

Posted by: ryjufox3 | December 17, 2009 3:36 PM | Report abuse

either daniel snyder or ted leonsis, please take over the wizards!! They need the people that could spend the money to get decent people here

Posted by: agentwizard0 | December 17, 2009 3:44 PM | Report abuse

My feeling is that when you have a team with a low basketball IQ, run and gun is the way to go and thus a solution of sorts for the Wizards. Of course, it's fool's gold as anyone who has followed Don Nelson's coaching career can tell you.

Posted by: mugsybol | December 17, 2009 3:47 PM | Report abuse

@dargregmag,

Firing Eddie Jordan is starting to look more and more like not missing the water until the well runs dry.
Ironically, Flip is Grunfeld's guy and if things don't work out, his hiring Flip might actually give Grunfeld less wiggle room with whomever the new owner winds up being.
The Princeton offense (and by extension Eddie Jordan) might have more to do with the Big 3's success than anyone imagined. Including, sadly, Grunfeld himself.

Posted by: artiesliver | December 17, 2009 3:48 PM | Report abuse

Yes, and the most amazing thing is the guy was able to grow from 6'9" in shoes to 6'11" in the time it took to print the game program...

I didn't believe in when I saw it...so I checked on ESPN and NBA and that's what he's listed as...which means he's probably 6'9'' and STILL too tall for Gil.

Posted by: SDMDTSU | December 17, 2009 3:51 PM | Report abuse

"Of course there's a way it's based on performance. There are many more lelemnts to the game than shotblocking, and mcGee struggles in most of them."

agree to disagree, mcgee is currently in Flip's doghouse. I'm not saying the kid should be getting 30mins a night, but when you lead the nba in blocks/per48 (which he does, and we all know it without having to check)...it's a little odd to be completely frozen out.

Posted by: divi3 | December 17, 2009 3:54 PM | Report abuse

"Ironically, Flip is Grunfeld's guy and if things don't work out, his hiring Flip might actually give Grunfeld less wiggle room with whomever the new owner winds up being."

Not if the new owner concludes that the root of the problem is that this ciollection of core players has run its course and that Grunfeld deserves a chance to build a team that's specifically suite to Saunders' philosophy, as opposed to having him try to jerry-rig one out of the leftover parts the last coach wrung dry.

Posted by: kalo_rama | December 17, 2009 3:54 PM | Report abuse

"I'm not saying the kid should be getting 30mins a night, but when you lead the nba in blocks/per48 (which he does, and we all know it without having to check)..."

I don't know that McGee leads the league in that category, but I don't really care enough about per stats to check. As I've stated in the past, per stats are the itchy straw men of sports fandom.

The fact is (and it is a fact) that no matter how many shots he blocks per 48 (which he'll nevwer play because of his propensity to pick up cheap fouls) he still does plenty of things on the court that cost the team just as many (or more) points than he saves them with blocks.

Posted by: kalo_rama | December 17, 2009 3:58 PM | Report abuse

"Not if the new owner concludes that the root of the problem is that this ciollection of core players has run its course and that Grunfeld deserves a chance to build a team that's specifically suite to Saunders' philosophy, as opposed to having him try to jerry-rig one out of the leftover parts the last coach wrung dry."

Conversely, the new owner could conclude that Grunfeld foolishly gave $18 million dollars to a coach whose philosophy/system do not mesh with said leftover, wrung-out, expensive parts. The clear damning violation being not recognizing that it's not a good fit (to this point). That falls on Grunfeld more than anyone, imo, given the fact that by most accounts Pollin liked Jordan tremendously and did not force Grunfeld to fire him.

Posted by: artiesliver | December 17, 2009 4:05 PM | Report abuse

I want someone to go look at the other teams draft picks.

Posted by: SDMDTSU | December 16, 2009 4:12 PM | Report abuse

Check out what Geoff Petrie has done

http://hoopshype.com/general_managers/geoff_petrie.htm

He traded Mitch Richmond and Otis Thorpe to the Wizards for Chris Webber and he is on his last year of his contract.

Please who ever the new owner is please give Ernie a raise?

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | December 17, 2009 4:08 PM | Report abuse

"The fact is (and it is a fact)...he still does plenty of things on the court that cost the team just as many (or more) points than he saves them with blocks."

that's just your feeling from watching him play, not a fact without some sort of quantification to prove it. And I would make the case that when you block 6 shots in 13mins there's no way you've cost the team more points than you saved on that night.

His performance at 5 relative to ABs is the question, and it's tough for me to see where AB has made a case lately for JM to get ZERO floor time.

Posted by: divi3 | December 17, 2009 4:08 PM | Report abuse

SDMDTSU

Check out the moves this loser has made..

http://hoopshype.com/general_managers/ernie_grunfeld.htm

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | December 17, 2009 4:11 PM | Report abuse

yeah, that Funderburke signing was genius. Bobby Hurley too. How many games did petrie's roster win last year btw?

Posted by: divi3 | December 17, 2009 4:19 PM | Report abuse

Melodius Thunk(nice redo by the way) You stated in your post that EG knew what he had in the big three and that's why he's just letting them play out the string well how did Eddie Jordan win with just two of the big three and get them to the postseason? Let me answer that for you COACHING!! Flip has more talent(with Gil back) and more depth but is he using it? The same thing people crticized EJ for Flip's doing the same thing i.e. not playing the youngsters,poor subsitutions,the wrong rotations,i'll say this EJ had a better staff cause Flip's staff is clueless(see the Pacers game)and why keep giving Gil the ball at the end of the game why not rub Gil off on a screen for an open shot, that takes the pressure off Gil until he feels he is physically all the way back or better yet, what about Caron or AJ or even Nick Young? This has more to do with Ernie Grunfeld than Flip Saunders but i don't want to go there.

Posted by: dargregmag | December 17, 2009 3:31 PM | Report abuse

dargregmag - As I said before and I will say it again. Credit goes to Eddie for his "system" and his "x's and o's" smarts. However, he was a terrible "people manager" and had no clue at "calling games (rotations)". That was his downfall.

Again, Flip is a pretty good coach, but he might have to do a Joe Gibbs back in the day. Joe Gibbs came in from the Air Corell (spelling?) Tree. The first five games Gibbs tried to make his team a "passing team" when they were not. Gibbs success came after he looked at what he had and changed his schemes to match his personel.
Flip might have to do something similar or just wait it out and hopes Gil gets it.

This guard driven offense is not working well yet because Gil is a hybrid guard and he is only physically maybe 80% and mentally only 60%. Flips offense will not work if his point guard is unsure of himself. That is why you keep seeing him put Bokins in there.

Mike Miller returning is KEY to them turning it around. I knew about the dude but I never knew how good he was until watching him this year on the Wiz.

*** - Flip needs to let Foye come in and backup Gil now. Foye deserves a chance. I am still a Bokins fan, but you have to see what Foye can do with real "minutes". McGee needs 5 mins a quarter spelling Haywood. Stop playing AB at the 5, it is not is spot......

Posted by: BulletsFever | December 17, 2009 4:20 PM | Report abuse

@BulletsFever,

You said with regard to Eddie Jordan:

"However, he was a terrible "people manager" and had no clue at "calling games (rotations)". That was his downfall."


And Flip has been flawless or above average this year at handling people or his rotations?

Posted by: artiesliver | December 17, 2009 4:44 PM | Report abuse

yeah, that Funderburke signing was genius. Bobby Hurley too. How many games did petrie's roster win last year btw?

Posted by: divi3 | December 17, 2009 4:19 PM | Report abuse

17 in a rebuilding year and the Wizards with two all stars won how many 19?

divi3

Dude how old are you 11?

Watch the movie The Bronx Tale and pat attention to the part when..

C tells Sonny he hates Bill Mazeroski because he made Mickey Mantle cry

Sonny told him why does he care about Mickey Mantle? Mickey Mantle doesn't care about you. Do you think he will pay your rent.

I understand you are a fan, but so am I and all I want is to see the Wizards get better and I believe Ernie put together this team and hired Flip and it just isn't working.

So either it's time to move on or we go through this next year again and why would you want to do that?

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | December 17, 2009 4:47 PM | Report abuse

i dont know how people can start calling for a total purge of the team already. its still the first third of the season. the wizards are not completely out of a competitive eastern conference and the big 3 are starting to gel more with each passing game. its a long season. a 35 season wont look too bad if the wiz go deep in the playoffs

Posted by: ryjufox3 | December 17, 2009 5:01 PM | Report abuse


When was the last time a 35-win team went deep into the playoffs?

Posted by: tgif11 | December 17, 2009 5:03 PM | Report abuse

"Grunfled's a smart guy and he's got a plan to get 2/3 of our brain-dead "Mediocre Three" out of town. Saunders has to play Jamison and Butler to keep their value up and get either expiring contracts and/or young talent on the rise. He has to start them and give them all the minutes they can handle. It's not about Grunfeld thinking he can win with them, but about turning this organization around in the future, a future nearer than some of you think.

The Wizards are going nowhere with the Mediocre Three and I suspect Grunfeld's always known that and was just followin' the bossman's orders with the last contracts given to Arenas and, to a lesser degree, Jamison. Spare me the pious indignation as you question his integrity and say that he should have resigned if he disagreed with the path the team was taking under the late Abe Pollin. Would any of you resign from a multi-million dollar job when there's only 29 other jobs like yours? I thought not."

Are you suggesting that Grunfeld knowingly signed 'mediocre' players to long-term deals to appease the 'bossman' and make millions of dollars, but was actually against doing it all along? If so, then he is more than a bad GM, but also a suck-up and thief who has no interest in him primary job: putting a good product on the floor for fans. All you've done in your defense of Grunfeld is give two more reasons why he should be fired.

Posted by: SammyT1 | December 17, 2009 5:03 PM | Report abuse

with abe helpin the wiz from above, it can happen right? :-\

Posted by: ryjufox3 | December 17, 2009 5:12 PM | Report abuse

Flips offense will not work if his point guard is unsure of himself. That is why you keep seeing him put Bokins in there.

Mike Miller returning is KEY to them turning it around. I knew about the dude but I never knew how good he was until watching him this year on the Wiz.
*** - Flip needs to let Foye come in and backup Gil now. Foye deserves a chance. I am still a Bokins fan, but you have to see what Foye can do with real "minutes". McGee needs 5 mins a quarter spelling Haywood. Stop playing AB at the 5, it is not is spot......
Posted by: BulletsFever | December 17, 2009 4:20 PM | Report abuse

I remember before the season started and everyone was trying to figger out how minutes were gonna be doled out?

Well---Flip is still trying to figger out when to play EB, RF, AB, NY, DM, JM, FO and soon MM, MJ & JC. The games have just so many minutes.
He said that he'd use an 8 man rotation. I hope he's smart enuff to realize that it ain't workin and move on to plan "B".
Wish we played the Nets more.

Posted by: VBFan | December 17, 2009 5:13 PM | Report abuse

Wish we played the Nets more.


Posted by: VBFan | December 17, 2009 5:13 PM | Report abuse

VBFan

Like the old saying goes you better watch out for what you wish for.

The Nets could be coming off a back to back game and Devin Harris could be hurt which means the Wizards would lose by 3?

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | December 17, 2009 5:20 PM | Report abuse

Until the Wizards understand that there aren't shortcuts to winning consistently in this league, they will struggle....BIG TIME. Playing crappy defense for 40 minutes and playing like a bad AAU team in the 2nd Quarter of games is a recipe for mediocrity, even with good, talented players ...which they have.

Posted by: jthicks | December 17, 2009 5:21 PM | Report abuse

,i>"that's just your feeling from watching him play, not a fact without some sort of quantification to prove it."

No, that's a fact borne out by watching him play. In almost any given game, he commits as many or more cheap fouls, has more blown defensive assignments, and gets called for more goal-tends than he blocks shots. It's a simple quantitative analysis.

Posted by: kalo_rama | December 17, 2009 5:26 PM | Report abuse

"that's just your feeling from watching him play, not a fact without some sort of quantification to prove it."

No, that's a fact borne out by watching him play. In almost any given game, he commits as many or more cheap fouls, has more blown defensive assignments, and gets called for more goal-tends than he blocks shots. It's a simple quantitative analysis.

Posted by: kalo_rama | December 17, 2009 5:27 PM | Report abuse

"His performance at 5 relative to ABs is the question . . ."

It may be your question, but it's not mine. Mine is does the sum of his positives outweigh the sum of his negatives. And if the answer is "no: (and it is), that alone is a performance-based reason not to play him.

Posted by: kalo_rama | December 17, 2009 5:29 PM | Report abuse

"No, that's a fact borne out by watching him play. In almost any given game, he commits as many or more cheap fouls, has more blown defensive assignments, and gets called for more goal-tends than he blocks simple quantshots. It's a simple quantitative analysis."

Nothing factual there, just your opinion of what actual hard numbers would reveal.

"And if the answer is "no: (and it is), that alone is a performance-based reason not to play him."

yet you said you wouldnt mind more pt for javale, why on earth would you want that comsidering you just argued as to why he shouldnt play?

My 'simple quantitative analysis' is that anybody who is blocking 6 shots in 14mins on the floor is doing something right to the tune of deserving more than zero mins.

Posted by: divi3 | December 17, 2009 5:49 PM | Report abuse

"Dude how old are you 11?"

If i was 11 I'd wish for Santa to come and give us a new championship team without regard to the realities of the contracts we have and decisions that have already been made. Which is what you're doing.

Posted by: divi3 | December 17, 2009 5:51 PM | Report abuse

Conversely, the new owner could conclude that Grunfeld foolishly gave $18 million dollars to a coach whose philosophy/system do not mesh with said leftover, wrung-out, expensive parts. The clear damning violation being not recognizing that it's not a good fit (to this point). That falls on Grunfeld more than anyone, imo, given the fact that by most accounts Pollin liked Jordan tremendously and did not force Grunfeld to fire him.

Agreed. Grunfeld might have some cover for the roster moves, but I believe Jordan's firing was initiated by him, not Abe Pollin.

Posted by: tgif11 | December 17, 2009 5:52 PM | Report abuse

No, that's a fact borne out by watching him play. In almost any given game, he commits as many or more cheap fouls, has more blown defensive assignments, and gets called for more goal-tends than he blocks shots. It's a simple quantitative analysis.

Just to clarify:

Are you saying that # of cheap fouls + # blown assignments + # of goaltends > # of blocked shots?

Or are you saying # of cheap fouls > # of blocked shots, # blown assignments > # of blocked shots, AND # of goaltends > # of blocked shots? This is what you appear to be saying, but I wanted to make sure. If this is what you're saying, I hope you don't intend it to be taken literally.

Posted by: joe_sill | December 17, 2009 5:52 PM | Report abuse

If i was 11 I'd wish for Santa to come and give us a new championship team without regard to the realities of the contracts we have and decisions that have already been made. Which is what you're doing.

Posted by: divi3 | December 17, 2009 5:51 PM | Report abuse

No. I'm saying the Wizards (with Ernie in charge) are like a canoe heading towards Niagara Falls without a paddle.

The team has two options...

1) Hope for some reason that the current will change course?

2) Jump out of the canoe and swim to shore

For some reason you think the Wizards are going to become champions with the players that are now on the roster?

I believe it's time to jump ship (canoe) and start over and if that is the approach the new owner is going to take then I hope he doesn't keep Ernie on to do the job considering he has proven he can't get the job done.

Give Ernie a raise?

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | December 17, 2009 6:11 PM | Report abuse

Here we go again with blow it up and trade this guy and package this and that and our guys are soft and yada' yada' yada'.

Unless some superstar is gonna materialize from nowhere none of these proposals mean squat.

This Team of players that we have right now needs to play better and they can and have the abilities to do so.

Figuring out why this Team isn't is what needs to be resolved period. Thats it folks. Nothing else is as or more important than that. Even if you make a trade or whatever, if you still haven't figured out how to make this Team play better it will mean nothing.

And those of you that believe a different crop of players will make a difference with this organization are not seeing what is really wrong.

If this organization cannot figure out how to use a Javale McGee and also realize that they need a big portion of at least two of either JM, AB, and BH on the floor together to solidify the paint and stop this Mexican Cha Cha, by having Blatche playing center by himself, that he is not suited for, they also are not gonna figure out how use some new player that is brought in.

And all of you that is bemoaning who we did not get with our 5-pick need to realize that if we had gotten any one of those guys yawl keep bringing up, what makes you think that they would not be on the bench not playing just like Javale McGee.

I guarantee they would not be being used, because Flip Saunders hasn't shown that he would use a young player.

The biggest problem with this organization is it is hell bent on the philosophy of how traditional NBA players should play.

A tough big guy that rebounds and blocks shots and smacks guys when they visit the lane.

Power forwards that play shutdown defense.

A big shooting guard.

We are so obsessed with what a good traditional NBA Team should play like that we don't even allow the players that we have to excel at what they can do best.

Note to the wise. Flip Saunders system is not worth the paper it is written on, if it dosen't allow or get his players to succeed in it.

Maybe his system isn't for these players. If it isn't and we need to find players that fit his system then we hired the wrong guy as coach.

The one reason why Mark Jackson was my vehement choice is because I knew he would not come in with some traditional NBA system crap.

Mark Jackson as coach would have been more dependent upon the abilities of the players rather than some system.

Lest we forget all you guru's, the most successful systems allow the players to excell. None of these players are excelling in Flips system, not a single one.

CAN YA HEAR ME KNOW.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | December 17, 2009 7:24 PM | Report abuse

"I didn't believe in when I saw it...so I checked on ESPN and NBA and that's what he's listed as...which means he's probably 6'9'' and STILL too tall for Gil.Posted by: SDMDTSU"

Yep, those ESPN and NBA websites are frankly infallible, because what motive would they have to shamelessly hype a player? But just for fun, here's the link to what he measured pre-draft, before that miraculous growth spurt...

http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-pre-draft-measurements/?page=&year=2008&sort2=DESC&draft=0&pos=0&sort=

It's the shoes.

Posted by: Samson151 | December 17, 2009 9:28 PM | Report abuse

"Or are you saying # of cheap fouls > # of blocked shots, # blown assignments > # of blocked shots, AND # of goaltends > # of blocked shots? This is what you appear to be saying, but I wanted to make sure. If this is what you're saying, I hope you don't intend it to be taken literally.Posted by: joe_sill"

Personally, I hope he WAS saying that # of cheap fouls > # of blocked shots, # blown assignments > # of blocked shots, AND # of goaltends > # of blocked shots, just to see if your head explodes.

Posted by: Samson151 | December 17, 2009 9:35 PM | Report abuse

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