Network News

X My Profile
View More Activity
On Twitter: MrMichaelLee and PostSports  |  Facebook  |  E-mail alerts: Redskins and Sports  |  RSS

Should McGee get a shot?

I'm about to hop on a flight to Memphis right now after spending the past two nights chilling in Minnesota. I caught up with Mike Miller and JaVale McGee in my story today to talk about how each player is dealing with not playing.

Miller is out because of a strained right calf that could keep out another week or two, while McGee has only played in one of the past seven games because of Flip Saunders's decision to go with veterans Fabricio Oberto and Andray Blatche to back up Brendan Haywood. Miller was perhaps a bit more disappointed this weekend because his injury kept him from facing two of his former teams, Minneota and Memphis.

I'll come back with something on the Grizzlies a little bit later, but I wanted you guys to discuss whether or not McGee should get an opportunity to play or if Saunders is right about going with the vets. Fire away.

By Michael Lee  |  December 28, 2009; 10:27 AM ET
 
Save & Share:  Send E-mail   Facebook   Twitter   Digg   Yahoo Buzz   Del.icio.us   StumbleUpon   Technorati   Google Buzz   Previous: Timberwolves 101, Wizards 89
Next: The Other Side: Memphis Grizzlies

Comments

Yes yes yes yes yes, but on the other hand, sorta have to trust your coach on these things. Surely there are some issues that are hard for fans to see that Jevale needs to learn before he is given regular run (and of course some things that are not hard for fans to see... goal tending, staying down on shot fakes, rebound positioning, not dunking on his own basket).

Still, given the record of the team and the tools, at least little 10 minute stints to have a look at his progress would be nice.

Posted by: GshawnJohnson | December 28, 2009 10:42 AM | Report abuse

As long as Flip continues to give Jamison 40 minutes per regardless of how many quick 3s he takes or how many times he allows his defensive assignment free forays to the basket...

Followed with the 35 to 40 minutes of Jeckyll and Hyde performances from CB, and there are no minutes left for McGee.

I thought Flip hit on the problem with the benching. The "Big 3" suffer from All Star Ego. If you don't want to point a finger at any one of them, then bench the starters as a group.

The second five of McGee, Blatche, McGuire,
Young or Boykins.

Posted by: bozomoeman | December 28, 2009 10:51 AM | Report abuse

If the game is on the line, then maybe you need to stick with your Vets.

But we are not really getting it done anyway for the first 45 minutes, so why not? Either we are looking to him to be the future Center on this team or we are not. If we are, you gotta play him. If we are not, then wrap him up for package trade.

You all know I have little faith in Haywood and don't believe we should tie ourselves down this summer with a long, expensive contract on a 31 yo center that has consistently underachieved and played below his expectations.

therefor, I say start giving McGee a few minutes here and there in 5-10 minute blocks. Let him play long enough to get the feel for the game. Accept his early mistakes and give him a chance to work through them.

At the trade deadline, you either know if he can make improvement or not. You also know if the season is done for by then.

If we are playing like Sat night, even with Miller back and JaVale giving some relief, then see if you can trade Haywood to a team that will want to be able to either match offers or get the $$$ off the books.

Posted by: Blurred | December 28, 2009 10:59 AM | Report abuse

WE MUST NOT RE-SIGN HAYWOOD! He is toxic in the locker room and a great backup center. Too bad he is our starter!

Posted by: Blurred | December 28, 2009 11:01 AM | Report abuse

now know why the Wizards are so opposed to young players. They don't want to coach and develop. If you get old guys you can put them out there and hope they can figure it out on the court. People like Wes Unseld Jr. ? What are his credentials to stay on this staff. Get serious about winning and get legitimate coaches for big men and young player development. Maybe two consecutive losing seasons will convince them they are not close and have to develop a new team
============================

I also wanted to add that I am not saying these younger players would make us begin to win all of the sudden. I just think the Wizards want to skip an important part of the process. They think the Medium 3 can do everything but they are doing nothing better than the competition they play against. If you can't bring in new players then you have to develop the ones on your roster.

Posted by: millineumman | December 28, 2009 11:03 AM | Report abuse

Better yet, Mike Lee can you ask Ernie Grunfeld "What do you have to say about the teams inability or unwillingness to develop players? "

Posted by: millineumman | December 28, 2009 11:11 AM | Report abuse

Hmmm.. well, as much as I like seeing McGee in there, I have to admit he's probably not ready for the responsibility. You can see him struggle with positioning and he still hasn't broken the shotblocker's habit of trying for every shot. But with so little practice time available, it's likely the only chance he'll get is on the court.

Problem is, Flip is saying the team would benefit from a tighter rotation, not a looser one.

Posted by: Samson151 | December 28, 2009 11:13 AM | Report abuse

McGee should just used this situation to get bigger and stronger for next season. Eat, eat, eat, and eat some more! He's got the hops but he is too skinny and get pushed around too often. With his soft hands and youth, he easily replace Haywood next year if he bulks up a little more.

Posted by: JohnWWW | December 28, 2009 11:15 AM | Report abuse

Bottom line:
For every 4 games:

Win one by 8 pts or less
Lose two by 8 pts or less
Lose one by 14 pts or more

Wouldn't really be losing much...

I say give Oberto's minutes to McGee. Bottom line is that Oberto's ZERO ability on offense totally negates his marginal improvement over McGee on defense.

Posted by: rgm34 | December 28, 2009 11:17 AM | Report abuse

McGee is saying the right things, but you can hear his frustration. He says he doesn't want to come into the league as a loser, but is powerless to stop the losing if he can't play.

Maybe bench Haywood for being a wuss and let McGee play. Either Haywood will step up or more likely, he will pout and throw a hissy fit.

Posted by: Blurred | December 28, 2009 11:18 AM | Report abuse

I think playing McGee more is a no-brainer. Yes, he takes some dumb shots and probably misses some defensive assignments. But (similar to Boykins) he has the ability to change the momentum of the game. It's not like Oberto is doing very much. Opposing teams are getting to the rim way too easily.

What was most illuminating in Michael's article was the brief mention of how Flip and EG discussed tightening the rotation. This is an incredibly tight-lipped organization and now we know that EG has input on who plays and how much--which, in part, explains who has received (or not) playing time across the last three coaches.

You also get the sense, now, about how desperately EG is to see his big bets (i.e., massive contracts for GA and AJ) pay off. He must have sold hard for the organization to make these investments (versus the idea that Abe railroaded these decisions) and, now, that they are not working out, he's pressing Flip to stay with the supposed "Big Three." Moving those players, or playing the young guys, would be admitting failure.

The big untold story here is, absent Abe, who is in control now and who will call or okay the shots moving forward?

Posted by: jweber1 | December 28, 2009 11:28 AM | Report abuse

Tough call. He obviously is highly mistake prone, but the alternatives are bad as well. Blatche is not a center and should never play there. Don't remember any good games if any he's had in his career that were played at the C position. And, Oberto was signed as an occasional player. Like when Brendan gets in foul trouble vs a bigger player and you need someone to put a body on them still - McGee and Blatche aren't doing that ever. Other than that I've seen little out of him that warrants mins every game. Not in the least.

This team has talent on paper. The recipe looks fairly solid. 3 former all-stars. A center leading the league in offensive rebounds and top ten in overall rebounding who provides a defensive presence as well. Some nice additions in Miller and Foye (although not given much of a chance for no reason IMO). Blatche starting out the year very well off the bench. Then some very talented young WIP's in NY and JM.

But, it just hasn't worked. And it's not going to. You have a very talented "franchise" player who has obvious flaws in his game and is not now and may never be what he was. You got differing agendas apparently. You have players ignoring the directives and game plans of the head coach, which feeds into the low IQ quotient. You have little to no leadership on the court or at least not the right kind of leadership. You have a losing attitude sinking in.

Time for a big trade IMO. I really don't care who goes at this point, but it has to be blown up. I said wait until the New Year or end of December and it's obvious from the Minnesota game, which I did not even see that this is over. The players have essentially spoken by their play on the court that they either don't want it to work or it's just not going to.


Posted by: rphilli721 | December 28, 2009 11:36 AM | Report abuse

So Flip wants to tighten up the rotation.
This team isn't winning with the "tight" rotation.
Loosen it up.
I think that a tight rotation is needed when your bench talent isn't there but it makes no sense when the talent on the floor isn't getting the job done.
We don't know if Javale is improving or not.

Posted by: VBFan | December 28, 2009 11:41 AM | Report abuse

Over 20 games into the season and the team is still incapable of running Flip's offense.

Not really clear how playing McGee changes that part of the equation.

Posted by: JPRS | December 28, 2009 11:44 AM | Report abuse

Flip Saunders is seriously irritating me with his crazy rotations. I realize the much maligned injury bug has once again plagued this team for another season but yet and still - Fabricio needs to sit down and JaVele needs to get in the game. Oberto may have that championship experience and veteran knowledge and such but the man is a waste of space and minutes. JaVele may be raw atheleticism right now but he's not going to the gist of the mental aspects of the game if he doesn't play!!!!

Posted by: blackman1 | December 28, 2009 11:48 AM | Report abuse

JPRS...It doesn't. The point is that what Flip is doing, whether it is the system or the rotation is not working.

Playing Haywood 30+ minutes a game is not helping us win...it is just helping Haywood make more $$$ in the next few years.

Lots of problems here, but playing McGee at least helps us build for the future, and maybe gets Haywood to actually work.

Posted by: Blurred | December 28, 2009 11:48 AM | Report abuse

Question: why is Flip Saunders discussing the rotation and playing time with Ernie? That's a red flag in my eyes.

As for McGee, we are all-in on the veterans we have. It appears as if the philosophy of this franchise is that it will lean on these veterans to go for it all this year.

The problem is that this group of veterans is not gonna get it done. They could make the playoffs because the East is so top-heavy that you'll have a few teams below .500 make the playoffs. But even if they make the playoffs, this is a one-and-done squad.

Personally, I'd love to see McGee get more minutes. I'd love to see Young get more minutes too. I'd also love to see Gilbert moved to Shooting Guard. But none of this is gonna happen because we're all-in with the veterans of this team.

It's a shame too, because if we had done some re-building, we could have a much better squad with much more upside and potential by now. Instead, we're stuck with the same old same old, and we will probably lose our young talent...

Posted by: sargeantmofo | December 28, 2009 11:50 AM | Report abuse

i think they should put him in once in a while simply because Frabrico is not very good and Blatche isn't a center. I also think they should jerk him out as soon as he does something stupid (which will take about a minute) so that he will learn to stop the many things he's doing wrong (i'm not optimistic he will ever learn but you have to try).

He can only run for 5 mins. before he's exhausted, so that's his max.

Posted by: stevie2 | December 28, 2009 11:50 AM | Report abuse

McGee can't go anywhere without Wiz permission until 2013 and NY can't go until 2012.

That's 2 more seasons for Young and 3 for McGee

That's an eternity in pro sports.

Posted by: Blurred | December 28, 2009 12:07 PM | Report abuse

Blurred,

My sense is that stuff like rotations and minutes of any one player is just tweaking on the edges at this point.

If Flip doesn't have the players he needs to run his offense, then the GM needs get him the players he needs, or the GM needs to get the team a new coach (I'd say move players before the coach since the coach was just put under contract -- but make damn sure that the players acquired are going to be a better fit than those dealt).

This team probably will have a few more weeks to make its case to the GM that it should be kept together without moving major parts.

Posted by: JPRS | December 28, 2009 12:12 PM | Report abuse

They simply have a rotation problem. They should run a 2nd team around Boykins with a mixture of defense and a offense of nothing but pentration and drawing fouls. That would include nick, macquire and macgee.

And for goodness sake start Foye at the point and run the offense thru him and let him find gil,caron and antwan. Simple fix.

Posted by: jay33338 | December 28, 2009 12:20 PM | Report abuse

My point is that while Haywood is not the only or the main problem, he is a severe liability everywhere except under the offensive basket.

Why are we still trying to make him a real starting center after 9 years? I think it is time to cut bait on him and start working with our future. While we are looking for or trading the other pieces, we should be using and developing the pieces we already have.

If those pieces, inclusing McGee, can't do any better, then better to know that now, while we are trying to get the right pieces than later when we have high hopes for a new season.

Posted by: Blurred | December 28, 2009 12:21 PM | Report abuse

NOTE TO JPRS: Flip ain't got no offense,LMAO!

Posted by: dargregmag | December 28, 2009 12:34 PM | Report abuse

Also, JPRS, the coach could use all the tools in his box, rather than try to make the same old 5 or 6 tools he always uses work in new situations.

I know that is one tortured metaphor, but seriously, if your system doesn't work with the players you have, then try new players or a new system of both...BUT DON't KEEP TRYING THE SAME THING OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER IF ITS NOT WORKING!!!!

Posted by: Blurred | December 28, 2009 12:36 PM | Report abuse

Sure he should get a chance. It's not going to amount to much though.

Posted by: Utilityman1 | December 28, 2009 12:37 PM | Report abuse

"Should McGee get a shot?"

Yes, 100%.

Haywood is soft and allows WAY too many people to dominate him under the basket defensively. He should take pride in guarding the rim and he clearly doesn't. It's very frustrating watching him play defense.

McGee will get fouls called on him, but if the Wiz are looking for defense then McGee is your best bet.

"Question: why is Flip Saunders discussing the rotation and playing time with Ernie? That's a red flag in my eyes."

Mine as well, that's not good.

And does anyone else get the feeling Flip has been reading our blog here and translating that to the floor?

Seriously.

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | December 28, 2009 12:39 PM | Report abuse

Better yet, Mike Lee can you ask Ernie Grunfeld "What do you have to say about the teams inability or unwillingness to develop players? "

Posted by: millineumman | December 28, 2009 11:11 AM | Report abuse

Our young players aren't very good and most of them are on the cusp of being labeled draft busts, that's why they are seeing court time, thus no development.

Posted by: Utilityman1 | December 28, 2009 12:40 PM | Report abuse

McGee should just used this situation to get bigger and stronger for next season. Eat, eat, eat, and eat some more! He's got the hops but he is too skinny and get pushed around too often. With his soft hands and youth, he easily replace Haywood next year if he bulks up a little more.

Posted by: JohnWWW | December 28, 2009 11:15 AM | Report abuse

I probably could replace Haywood,and I am only 6'2.

Posted by: Utilityman1 | December 28, 2009 12:41 PM | Report abuse

After I said this team couldn't win without the "3" scoring 60 a game, they started doing so regularly. So yes, I think Flip takes my coaching advice.

Of course they still didn't win too much, so....you know...

Posted by: Blurred | December 28, 2009 12:42 PM | Report abuse

Blurred,

I see where you're coming from. If this team throws in the towel and starts thinking beyond this year, then yeah, you'd have to give McGee more serious minutes.

Right now though, I'd say that the bigger problem is at point guard. Can Gil execute Flip's offense? Can the rest of the team execute Flip's offense?

Why is the shot selection so poor? Why isn't the team swinging the ball around the perimeter and making opponents work when the Wiz have the ball?

Maybe Haywood is part of the problem; and maybe McGee gives the Wizards a more versatile inside scorer within Flip's offense. That might be one argument for the switch (or for increasing his minutes) at this point.

Posted by: JPRS | December 28, 2009 12:43 PM | Report abuse

Time for a big trade IMO. I really don't care who goes at this point, but it has to be blown up. I said wait until the New Year or end of December and it's obvious from the Minnesota game, which I did not even see that this is over. The players have essentially spoken by their play on the court that they either don't want it to work or it's just not going to.


Posted by: rphilli721 | December 28, 2009 11:36 AM | Report abuse

I agree with you on the trade part. Can you come up with reasonable trade scenarios that would make teams acquire our trash?
And before you answer, please keep in mind that EG is ours so the opportunity to dupe another team is slim.

Posted by: Utilityman1 | December 28, 2009 12:47 PM | Report abuse

The main is issue with this organization is the lack of accountability from the top all the way down to the fans.
If the team keeps delivering junk performances night in and night out and the Verizon Center still averages 16,000 fans, then we are condoning the poor play, lack of care, horrid management moves...
Unfortunately, because of lack of knowledge, fans will always go to games cheering these losers. Most of those fans have no idea what's at stake and probably have no clue that this team (with hefty salaries) was supposed to contend. Heck, most of them don't even know the team's record.
If there is one thing that can light up a fire in upper management's butts, it's an empty arena.
If the arena still fills up and the money is still coming in, why change anything?

Posted by: Utilityman1 | December 28, 2009 1:00 PM | Report abuse

JaTravel?!?!

Surely you jest.

JaTravel is good for 10 minutes of block attempts, dunk attempts, and a salute.

That's about it.

He has no game....yet.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | December 28, 2009 1:01 PM | Report abuse

Giving McGee more PT is just tinkering at the margins. These poor starts and poor finishes aren't going to be addressed by playing him more.

I have no idea what to do with this team. I don't think Saunders or Grunfeld know either. They push buttons and nothing happens.

Re player development - it sure does seem that the young players on this team hit a wall and just never improve.

There's a quality player somewhere in Blatch. Young too to a lesser extent.

Somewhere.

Posted by: SteveMG | December 28, 2009 1:01 PM | Report abuse

Any of you remember in the early '90's when Harvey Grant was scoring 18+ a game for like 3 years in a row? In the NBA, even mediocre players can be the star of a bad team.

I'll admit it and I hope I am proven wrong, but I believed that Gil, Caron and Arenas were legit stars and could play together well enough to get this team moving. In my mind, all they needed was real center and someone who could pop a few 3's off the bench.

The truth seems to be that Arenas may be able to get his form back, but at this point, he is getting his numbers on a pretty bad team and can't be counted on to run the offense and score how he needs to for us to be successful.

Caron seems to have missed his window. I am sure he will play 7-8 more years and contribute, but he looking more and more like a really good backup swingman than a legit starter on a contending team. think Micheal Adams (except for position) - he had an 11 year career with 4 really good years right smack in the middle and one All-Star season, but overall was a serviceable player with good skills best used as a backup.

Jamison is the real thing, but he can't play 40+ mpg ever, really, but definitely not every night. But with Blatche having to cover both for Haywood and Jamison's bench time, Jamison has to play so many minutes. Plus, Bl;atche is a good backup, but he really isn't prepared to step up and fill Jamison's scoring and boards.

Getting Arenas to the SG position and letting Miller start in front of Butler (even if Butler gets more minutes) helps those two situations a bit. the problem is who is our starting PG? James? Crit? Foye?

Getting Mcgee 10-15 minutes a game can get Jamison down to 30-35 mpg and make him more effective.

That is why I am so adamant that playing McGee is both helpful now and helps us in the future.

Posted by: Blurred | December 28, 2009 1:16 PM | Report abuse

Absolutely yes…AB plays the 4 better than the 5 and he gets winded. What’s wrong with AB and McGee at the 5? Before the season everyone complained because our front court was thin…but we don’t use the bigs we have. In the Minnesota game you could tell that Haywood was winded and FAB is offensively challenged…why not a jolt of energy from McGee. The wiz have a solid 10 players…there is no reason to keep the status quo especially when you’re loosing games.

Posted by: Gooddad | December 28, 2009 1:17 PM | Report abuse

McGee is another star player sitting on the bench, who will end up somewhere else,remember how well he played in the summer league and how he was wanted there, if the veterans are not doing it don't waste the young talent.

Posted by: tlj-dc | December 28, 2009 1:20 PM | Report abuse

Play McGhee now...he and we could do no worse...
Yes he is raw, but talented.He has the basic athletic skills you want, and yes he has to learn to harness not suppress them.
But who are we kidding, he brings enthusiasm, sorely lacking now and a dimension to the defense that is essential... resistance that has not been here forever.
And yes a big trade incolving one or more of our regs is way past due.
I love going young and athletic...it offers hope.

Posted by: mricklen | December 28, 2009 1:22 PM | Report abuse

@Utilityman,

I am not a NBA GM, but we happen to have a very good one especially when it comes to making trades so your reference to being duped rings hollow. Sounds more like baseless whining. I do know that CB and/or AJ should be somewhat valuable. I would rather some first round picks that could be better than those players eventually than some equal value veteran retread unless that piece fits perfectly somehow.

I think the best case scenario for this team is to change the composition. Get a little more athletic, hope that JC, NY, or JM flourish at some point if they are not part of some package - not holding my breathe on any of them, and start next season with the hope that GA is 90% the player he was and not 70% next season. Otherwise, you are looking at a 3/4 year rebuild. Toughness and leadership absolutely has to be addressed as well. If "tough juice" is your supposedly toughest player, then you are in trouble.

Finally, I love BH getting dogged during his best season. His limitations are what they are, but it's amazing how quickly people forget how wretched our defense was last season without him. Name 5/6 centers that are playing better than him right now. Well, minus the last couple of games. Just like people were praising AJ when he first got back for his missing offense and rebounds, but then the defense disappears with him and GA starting. The pieces to this puzzle just no longer make a nice picture.


Posted by: rphilli721 | December 28, 2009 1:29 PM | Report abuse

Let's get started with some possible trades:

Caron Butler and Mike James to Detrot for:

Tayshaun Prince and Jason Maxiell

Posted by: mugsybol | December 28, 2009 1:30 PM | Report abuse

If we are getting rid of 2 of the big 3, that is a committment to going young, then let's get draft choices and or young replacements. Please no more retreads and could have beens.

Posted by: mricklen | December 28, 2009 1:36 PM | Report abuse

@mricklen,

Ummm...what resistance are you referring to??? The one or two blocks a game he gets while being out of position constantly or the getting schooled by most anyone with any skill or size around the basket? Sometimes I wonder what games you guys watch.

Does he have raw potential? Yeah. But, honestly, I don't ever see him becoming a starting star type player at all. I think he will be the super athletic guy off the bench his whole career. He has shown zero refinement to his game and middle school kids have better fundamentals. He may base his career on potential, but a couple of highlight alley-oops or blocks does not do much in the long run. He has to be more than that and that is all he is right now. Should we play him although the coach we just signed to a 5 year deal believes he doesn't deserve to play? That should be the question.

Posted by: rphilli721 | December 28, 2009 1:47 PM | Report abuse

@rphilli

In my job and the majority of jobs in this country, if you don't produce tangible results, you don't get to keep it.
EG was given carte blanche and millions to build a contender and he has failed miserably. I have nothing against the man but he isn't getting done and that's a fact.
Not sure why you keep claiming that he is a very good GM, unless of course you are condoning and content with the team's horrific results.

Posted by: Utilityman1 | December 28, 2009 1:56 PM | Report abuse

Our record should dictate who plays. The vets are not doing a whole lot. Why not mix in some youth. I could see it if we were a championship team and didnt want to blow it while the young guys learned but uhhh...we're not.

Playing JM would be a good start but how about starting NY til MM get back and leaving him in there. He was playing well on both ends and was yanked. Also, AB plays well when he gets consistent minutes.
I have no doubt that both of those guys would be quality players on another team that used them regularly.

Posted by: original_mark | December 28, 2009 1:58 PM | Report abuse

No more games for me until Flip and Ernie are gone. I might watch on TV but these bums don't deserve my money. We can't develop young players because Ernie will not draft them. Flip can't coach and why do we have 7 assistants sitting on the bench including Wes Jr. New ownership will surely change things.

Posted by: rnbrown4 | December 28, 2009 2:34 PM | Report abuse

I agree with many of the comments here. Jamison's and Butler's minutes need to be reduced to make playing time for Blatche, McGee and Young. As I've read elsewhere, it may also be possible to move Jamison to the SF position for 10 min/game to make playing room for Blatche at the PF position.

Jamison's defensive deficiencies are well documented and he needs to be sent a message that it is no longer tolerable for him to continue with the same poor defensive habits. The same for Arenas and Butler. Ideally, we should trade Jamison for a more rugged defensive PF to back up Blatche. Maybe Jamison for DeJuan Blair, picks and filler.

Posted by: bazookajoe1 | December 28, 2009 2:40 PM | Report abuse

Michael Lee on today's post quoted Saunders saying that Oberto's ability as the Wizards' best post defender. Is this the same Oberto that we saw on court the other day?

I agree that McGee is still inconsistent, but Oberto as the best post defender? Come on!

McGee should receive more minutes as the backup center, and the coaching staff should try to teach him to become more consistent. Leave Orbeto on the bench as an insurance policy!

Posted by: sagaliba | December 28, 2009 2:54 PM | Report abuse

Rphilli - the fact that you refer to this as Haywood's best season proves the point that he is a mediocre (at best) center who is good under the offensive board, but not much value anywhere else. that means he has exceptional skills for about 20% of the game.

And you can't exclude the most recent games, because those games are what is referred to as "regressing to the mean."

12 centers better than Haywood:

Brooke Lopez
Pau gasol
Odom
Bynum (any of them are better C's than haywood)
Marc gasol
Camby (he's playing Pf mostly now, but could beat Haywood at C)
Shaq (gets about the same numbers in 2/3 the playing time)
Howard
Kaman
David Lee
Amare
Al jefferson

And seven that are at least as good as Haywood and have way more upside (either cuz they are young or have the ability to have a 25/12/5 game):

Jermaine Oneal
Al Horford
Okafor
Bogut
Perkins
Bynum
noah

And then this doesn't even take into acct the guys that are about the same but may be older or already peaked like Boozer, Delambert, Dampier, Wallace, Okur - or guys that may not have proven themselves yet, but are much younger like Hibbert, Thabeet, Hawes.

So there you have it. At the peak of his career, there are at least 25 other centers in the NBA that are at least as good as Haywood is.


And you can just be glad, too, that Yao & Oden are injured, b/c that would be 2 more.

Posted by: Blurred | December 28, 2009 2:57 PM | Report abuse

Maybe Jamison for DeJuan Blair, picks and filler.
Posted by: bazookajoe1 | December 28, 2009 2:40 PM |

Seriously?? Even if the NBA salary rules would allow it, you want to trade a consistent 20+/9 player for an unproven one with serious health questions? Why not just trade him for a bag of magic beans and a monthly metro pass?

Posted by: Blurred | December 28, 2009 3:03 PM | Report abuse

Trade Arenas+Haywood+Blatche
FOR
McGrady...
AND
Rebuild after the season...

Posted by: jimmydeanroundsausages | December 28, 2009 3:04 PM | Report abuse

Just to be clear...the spurs "picks" for the foreseeable future are likely to be in the mid-high teens. Not exactly likely to get lottery from them.

Although I will say that their filler is better than most teams' filler.

Posted by: Blurred | December 28, 2009 3:07 PM | Report abuse

"EG was given carte blanche and millions to build a contender and he has failed miserably. "

Except the more likely reality is that he wasn't given carte blanche. If he were, there's a very reasonable probability that he would have broken up the core and started retooling two years ago. There's a general (and reasonable) perception that this team was kept together primarily at the insistence of Abe Pollin, because he didn't have the time/patience to go through a rebuilding process and banked all his title hopes on his beloved Big 3 getting healthy and getting the job done.

Posted by: kalo_rama | December 28, 2009 3:08 PM | Report abuse

Trade Arenas+Haywood+Blatche
FOR
McGrady...
AND
Rebuild after the season...


Posted by: jimmydeanroundsausages | December 28, 2009 3:04 PM | Report abuse

not the craziest thing I ever read on here by a long shot. How do the salaries stack up? And let's get a pick or two from them, please. But make the picks for this draft, just in case Yao makes a come back.

Posted by: Blurred | December 28, 2009 3:10 PM | Report abuse

Blurred,

Nice of you to try and give Haywood some benefit of the doubt, but pretty much everyone on that second list is better than Haywood right now. Hell, Horford has been better than Haywood since he came in as a rookie.

Posted by: kalo_rama | December 28, 2009 3:11 PM | Report abuse

Oberto was never very good even in his prime, whenever that was, and now he basically sucks.

So much is made of Mcgee's mistakes- who the eff on this roster doesnt make stupid mistakes all the time on court? Why is Mcgee the player singled out as making too many?

At least the kid is aggressive and appears to have some dog in him, unlike that creampuff Brendon or pouting AB at center. AB should NEVER play at the 5!

The only way Mcgee will get better is to play and he clearly has the potential to be twice the player Haywood is- so get him on the floor for at least 5mins a night and build from there.

33mins and 2pts from your starting C in a disgusting loss and we have to wait "5 more games" to reevaluate the rotation?

Flip stinks.

Posted by: divi3 | December 28, 2009 3:13 PM | Report abuse

There's no way the Rockets would do that deal. They want McGrady out because his injuries make him unreliable and his need to dominate the ball too often results in his teammates standing and watching. So why the hell would they want Arenas?

Posted by: kalo_rama | December 28, 2009 3:14 PM | Report abuse

I read a lot of anti BTH comments here but I dont see that he is the problem. Now whether he should be re-signed is another story but if we're asking ourselves if he is the reason we're playing poorly, the answer has to be 'no'.

Incidentally the team has the best plus/minus rating with a lineup of Gil, AJ, BTH, CB, and NY. We need to stick with THAT and see what happens.

Posted by: original_mark | December 28, 2009 3:14 PM | Report abuse

Speculate all you want. Until I hear at least a rumor from an NBA insider, I don't play the trade game bc it's pointless.

If I could get equal value for CB or AJ, I might pack up AJ first. CB has not played well, but at least his game is more well rounded. I'm tired of the jacked up shots and soft defense of AJ just as much as CB's lackluster play this season.

I've been saying for weeks that if I were the coach, I would start BH, AB, and CB or AJ with one of them being the sixth man. AB plays better as a starter and with BH beside him. It improves our defense. It shouldn't stall the offense as AB is actually a pretty good facilitator and any loss in offense should be retrieved when CB or AJ are part of an improved second unit. Foye should also be the exclusive ball handler of said second unit with Boykins sitting and playing about as much as Oberto should. Whether McGee plays is fairly irrelevant to me and the success of the team. He'll probably see plenty of minutes down the stretch when this season is over.

I could see him playing 5/8 mins with the second unit to see how is playing on any given night however. Like I said earlier, the alternatives aren't much either.

So, second unit:

Foye - PG
NY - SG
McGuire - SF
McGee - C
AJ - PF


First unit:

GA - PG
DS - SG
CB - SF
BH - C
AB - PF

Works much better with Miller starting!

Posted by: rphilli721 | December 28, 2009 3:14 PM | Report abuse

Kalo -

I was trying to be nice. It's no secret here that I think Haywood is a real problem with so little upside.

Posted by: Blurred | December 28, 2009 3:16 PM | Report abuse

oh and as far as Mcgee supposedly getting pushed around by bigger players, i'll betcha dollars to donuts he can check Haywood in his sleep. What does that say about our starting C?

Posted by: divi3 | December 28, 2009 3:17 PM | Report abuse

rmcazz,

Don't think McGee is the best defensive player on this team yet. In addition to the foul trouble that you mentioned, he simply cannot hold his position and got backed down way too easy!

He certainly has more tools than Haywood to work with, but there is still a lot for him to learn and work on:
1. Hold his position and not get backed down.

2. Don't try to block every shot and go for every fake (that's how he picks up fouls). If a slower Haywood can average 2.3 blocks a game and ranked #3 on block shots, there is really no need for a quicker jumper like McGee to go for fakes.

3. Block out when the shot is up, get the defensive rebound before running down court expecting ally-ups.

4. Be patient on offense and run through plays, that's how to stay on court and not be yanked by the coach.

Posted by: sagaliba | December 28, 2009 3:19 PM | Report abuse

I could check Haywood in my sleep, because he has absolutely no offensive skill. That doesn't mean I can check guys who do. Same with McGee.

That side, I don't see any reason no to give McGee some run. But I also don't see any reason to thinnk it'll improve the team's results.

Posted by: kalo_rama | December 28, 2009 3:20 PM | Report abuse

It seems to me that a lot of these games that we barely lost would have been won had we hit more free throws. The margin between winning and losing is small in this league. Also, winning begets confidence.

If we'd hit more ft's and won some of these close games, is it reasonable to assume that we may have picked up a couple other wins because of the confidence boost? I think so.

Hire Hopla back and see what happens. couldnt hurt.

Posted by: original_mark | December 28, 2009 3:20 PM | Report abuse

Saga - how do you think a slow player like Haywood learned to block shots? Playing in games.

8 seasons worth of games to get to be almost as good a shot blocker as McGee was last year.

Posted by: Blurred | December 28, 2009 3:23 PM | Report abuse

You could switch Jamison into that deal instead of Arenas but it still works out in our favor...
23 million comes off our books at the end of the season...

Posted by: jimmydeanroundsausages | December 28, 2009 3:23 PM | Report abuse

BTH aint the main issue. Our offense is ok. It's the defense that is giving up too many points still. How is it that the one guy who everyone (coaches included) touts as our best defensive player is the one singled out when the defense is our big issue.
Also, ppl complain about his inability to score but a scoring C is that last thing we need on this team. We were scoring tons with NO inside presence (Etan/Ruffin/BTH) a few years ago.
Lets place the blame where it belongs. Our forwards are below average defensively. Guards get a slight pass because no one can really stop a quick guard. They should funnel into the interior where the C and forwards should be helping.

We either need to run and try to score 105 or change personnel to try to play good defense. Right now we're in between personalities. Average offense and below average defense with poor ft shooting and turnovers. Can't win this way.

Posted by: original_mark | December 28, 2009 3:25 PM | Report abuse

I dont think playing mcgee will win many more games now, I want to play him so we can find out sooner rather than later exactly what type of player he is.

I dont know the answer to this....how many teams have a 7footer as athletic as Mcgee whose actually showed real potential, yet rots on the bench like the situation we have here? Is this a commonplace occurrence in the nba? Or do uberathletic big men find there way onto the court for at least some mins?

Posted by: divi3 | December 28, 2009 3:29 PM | Report abuse

I know this sounds like a poor excuse but realistically...

We have a new pg playing the most important position on the team (Arenas) and a new system that guys have only been in for 28 games. Practice doesnt count. You need to practice and perfect defense against a real opponent that will give you different looks. I'm sure we're all star defenders against each other.

What should we have expected? This team ould have about 10-12 wins if they'd hit some ft. But we are abut what should have been expected given the turnover in coaches.

Posted by: original_mark | December 28, 2009 3:29 PM | Report abuse

being touted as the best defender on this team (which I dispute) is like being the best looking man at a leper colony.

Posted by: Blurred | December 28, 2009 3:30 PM | Report abuse

Kalo -

I was trying to be nice. It's no secret here that I think Haywood is a real problem with so little upside.

Posted by: Blurred
------------------------------------------

In addition to the "grass is always greener on the other side" syndrome, the fact is, other than the guys who are still on rookie contract, they all have higher salary than Haywood. Who is going to sign the pay check?

Posted by: sagaliba | December 28, 2009 3:31 PM | Report abuse

also, mcgee is a little bigger this season and has not played enough this year to say definitively he's still getting backed down too easily.

and say what you want about focusing too much on the block, in limited playing time that is not a bad dynamic and certainly a plus for a 2nd unit. There have been a few games this year where he was clearly altering the flow of the oppositions offense in our favor.

Play the kid Flip!

Posted by: divi3 | December 28, 2009 3:32 PM | Report abuse

Blurred,

I am all for giving McGee more PT, see my earlier post!

Posted by: sagaliba | December 28, 2009 3:33 PM | Report abuse

Debate Haywood all you want, he's our best option at center right now. The question really is if Oberto or McGee should be first off the bench at the center spot. A deeper fall into the loss column makes a strong case for McGee.

It seems like most people are giving up on the season and everyone in that camp should be asking for McGee minutes. They should also be asking for Blatche to see a lot more minutes at the 4 with Jamison seeing longer stretches on the bench.

Posted by: jon_quest | December 28, 2009 3:33 PM | Report abuse

I think a few of the players on this team hate each other and it shows on the floor.

Posted by: divi3 | December 28, 2009 3:34 PM | Report abuse

being touted as the best defender on this team (which I dispute) is like being the best looking man at a leper colony.

LOL. good point.

Posted by: original_mark | December 28, 2009 3:35 PM | Report abuse

Oberto plays like the ball is radioactive, mcgee should get his minutes regardless of our record imo.

And Jamison plays way too many minutes, this would be bad even if we were winning since you cant expect him to log 35+ effectively all season and beyond

Posted by: divi3 | December 28, 2009 3:37 PM | Report abuse

Interesting Blurred considering half the people on your list are PF's. Let's stick with the same position please. I would play LeBron James at C over BH, but he is not a center so let's not get crazy. And the point was that he is a very serviceable center especially considering our needs. He is hardly a top ten problem with this team. As someone stated earlier, resigning him for big money is a different topic.


That being said:

I'll give you Bynum, Howard, Bogut. Perkins, Marc Gasol, and Lopez are borderline. Kamam probably does not fit with our current team as he is a defensive liability and we have enough of those, but, otherwise, yes. Virtually every other player is a PF playing PF or playing out of position. Anyway, again, BH is the least of my worries. And, a couple of bad games does not diminish his season yet. Until now, you could argue that he is been one of the more consistent players on the team from game one.


Posted by: rphilli721 | December 28, 2009 3:37 PM | Report abuse

Saga - I can get a used Hyundai cheaper than a Formula One car - but I wouldn't race the Hyundai. if you win games, you can pay the salaries. The salaries only matter when nobody fills the seats and buys your merch and eats your crappy food and drinks your warm beer or watches your TV games because your team gives little effort and can't win 20 games a season.

that wasn't the point, though...Rphilli challenged us to find 7 Centers better than Haywood. I found 20.

Posted by: Blurred | December 28, 2009 3:37 PM | Report abuse

RPhilli - every single one of those guys is listed as a C or F/C and every one of them plays at least 10 minutes a game at C or has in the past.

heck - David Lee is the Knicks STARTING center.

Posted by: Blurred | December 28, 2009 3:41 PM | Report abuse

...but Jonquest is right. BTH is the best we have at that position and isn't the reason we're losing.
Asking Gil to be Agent zero after 2 years away is the reason...plus poor defensive effort from our forwards.

http://www.82games.com/0910/0910WAS5.HTM

shows us that sg is the weakest link and the problem position. Put NY there and leave him. That oughtta do the trick.

Posted by: original_mark | December 28, 2009 3:42 PM | Report abuse

"Virtually every other player is a PF playing PF or playing out of position. "

So? Doesn't matter what their "natural" position is, if they're playing/starting the C position, they're C's as far as the NBA is concerned. And the fact that they;re better than Haywood, despite playing "out of position," just underscores the point. I'd take an out of position Horford over an in position Haywood any day.

"Until now, you could argue that he is been one of the more consistent players on the team from game one."

Damn with faint praise much?

Posted by: kalo_rama | December 28, 2009 3:43 PM | Report abuse

And Horford is listed as Atlanta's Starting center

Posted by: Blurred | December 28, 2009 3:43 PM | Report abuse

NY has shown defensive effort and smart shot selection of late, and been rewarded with reduced PT. Great coaching!

Posted by: divi3 | December 28, 2009 3:45 PM | Report abuse

What does "until now" mean anyway? That he had a stretch of 15-20 decent games for the first time in his 9 year career?

Replacing haywood may not be the answer, but keeping him sure is a problem.

Posted by: Blurred | December 28, 2009 3:46 PM | Report abuse

Seriously?? Even if the NBA salary rules would allow it, you want to trade a consistent 20+/9 player for an unproven one with serious health questions? Why not just trade him for a bag of magic beans and a monthly metro pass?
Posted by: Blurred | December 28, 2009 3:03 PM

Your vision is blurred. Along with the offensive stats you mention, you neglected to mention the points Jamison allows per game -- a common oversight. His scoring is effectively negated by his poor defense. BTW, Dejuan Blair is averaging 6.5 ppg and 5.8 rpg in half the minutes that Jamison plays. Blair is the kind of rugged, defensive-minded player the Wizards need.

Think about this: How does Jamison get his offensive stats and does he improve the overall offensive flow of the team? Also, does his offensive numbers translate to wins? Hit me back once the fog clears.

Posted by: bazookajoe1 | December 28, 2009 3:46 PM | Report abuse

@Utility,

Ummm...I think Kal took the words right out of my mouth in response to your carte blanche statement. That, and EG was widely considered before he arrived to be a top NBA executive then add in that he made us relevant again in a relative short amount of time. C'mon. Forget that he got GA on the cheap the first time? CB for Kwame...etc. He took over this flailing moribund franchise of 30 years right after the MJ circus left town and built a team that made the playoffs 4 yrs in a row. I know, man, he sucks...he's made mistakes...as all GM's do. They all suck. I think we should fire him now and begin the crumbling to the ground. Fortunately, the new presumed owner is smart enough to know what he has got in EG and I almost guarantee he keeps him and there will be a rebuild plan. No more sucking up to AJ and the like bc of some last hurrah!

Posted by: rphilli721 | December 28, 2009 3:50 PM | Report abuse

Joe - All I'm saying is that jamison has a whole lot more value around the league than DeJuan Blair, who has played exactly what? 450 minutes in the NBA?

No knock on Blair per se, but he is not the equal trading partner of Jamison, even with a couple of late first round picks.

Posted by: Blurred | December 28, 2009 3:50 PM | Report abuse

Think about this: How does Jamison get his offensive stats and does he improve the overall offensive flow of the team? Also, does his offensive numbers translate to wins? Hit me back once the fog clears.

Posted by: bazookajoe1

Which other Wizzie is doing this???

Posted by: VBFan | December 28, 2009 3:51 PM | Report abuse

Plus, remember that Blairs stats come against the 2nd string or after the other team's PF has worn himself out playing against a first ballot hall of famer.

Posted by: Blurred | December 28, 2009 3:52 PM | Report abuse

and rebounding is not usually considered an offensive stat. Who's foggy now, Bi - a ????

Just kidding.

Posted by: Blurred | December 28, 2009 3:55 PM | Report abuse

Should McGee get a shot?

I think he needs to earn it in practice. He needs to focus on rebounding, with his length and hops he should be a beast on the boards but hes too busy looking for the block to settle in and really bang. Yes he gets pushed around some but I just dont see him hitting the glass with any want to at all. I think hes too worried about making a highlight reel block or dunk instead of worrying about being a solid player that contributes every night.

Once McGee grows up and drops the nonchalant attidue he could easily be the Birdman of the east at his lowest potential. Hes trying to play off pure ability and so far its not working.

Posted by: DMoney28 | December 28, 2009 3:56 PM | Report abuse

"Blair is the kind of rugged, defensive-minded player the Wizards need."

Blair may be defensive-minded, but that doesn't change the fact that at a slow-footed 6'6" he's not even close to defensive-bodied at the PF position. In his last game, (which he started in place of an injured Bonner) he "defended" David Lee to the tune of 28 points on 11-13 shooting and 10 rebus. Blair's a nice backup in limited minutes. But he's not a full-time NBA starter.

Posted by: kalo_rama | December 28, 2009 3:56 PM | Report abuse

No. McGee is compelling because of his size and athleticism, but he just doesn't have the understanding or feel for the game yet to be a consistent contributor.

Posted by: pondaz | December 28, 2009 3:57 PM | Report abuse

No. McGee is compelling because of his size and athleticism, but he just doesn't have the understanding or feel for the game yet to be a consistent contributor.

Posted by: pondaz | December 28, 2009 3:57 PM | Report abuse


how would we know? We have only seen him play 150 minutes all year...and almost none in the last month.

Posted by: Blurred | December 28, 2009 4:00 PM | Report abuse

@Kal,

Faint praise is all you can have for the whole damn team. So what is your point? The fact is there are only 5/6 centers in the league that would improve this team as currently constructed. Most on that list would not, which goes back to my point that BH should not and is not even on the list of top problems with the team. Neither is the GM or coach. It's the "core" players that are the problem, who IMO Abe did not want broken up while he was still alive. Time to rebuild and, hopefully, it can be done on the fly with GA eventually (next season) returning to close to what he was. Hard to go in complete rebuild mode with GA around for 4 more years. Abe did a lot of great things, but running this franchise was not one of them. That legacy may last a few more seasons.

Posted by: rphilli721 | December 28, 2009 4:06 PM | Report abuse

Thank you Mark.
BH is not a problem for this team,He is in a contract year, The front office did the right think not to sign a long term contract with him, he might be toxic in the loacker room but there is no clear fact that could make him out.
The team is under performing every single night, it is hard to chat and forward a productive comment in this situation.
The only simple thing to say is, are they respecting the coach? If not what is the plan? it is not hard to ship Aj for cheap, CB's contract is also not hard to deal, the team has 22 million expiring contract.I think they can do well with fast rebuilding for 2010 but how can they ger rid off this lossing habit? Shame on EG,for paying 111 million for an immature psycho.

Posted by: gtefferra | December 28, 2009 4:07 PM | Report abuse

the only good coaching move Flip has made all year was benching the whole starting 5 at the same time, it actually provided the right message and was effective.

Unfortunately, AJ surely ordered him to never do it again so that's that.

Posted by: divi3 | December 28, 2009 4:17 PM | Report abuse

@Blurred,

What have you seen from McGee that makes you think he can be a consistent contributor??? Summer ball??? Please. And, since you are not the coach, you don't see him in practice. He looks like the same exact player he was last season. Yeah, coach'em up right? That is the job of the coaches. Sure. But, you think they aren't trying to make him a real player on a daily basis?

Posted by: rphilli721 | December 28, 2009 4:18 PM | Report abuse

rphilli, what have you seen from Oberto that makes you think mcgee should not get his minutes? And how many times does AB have to get a nutsack in his grill before Mcgee gets some burn?

Posted by: divi3 | December 28, 2009 4:21 PM | Report abuse

"The fact is there are only 5/6 centers in the league that would improve this team as currently constructed. Most on that list would not . . . "

Yes, they would. Quite easily. Either by (A) providing rebounding and defense at least as good as Haywood but combined with better quickness and athleticism, (B) providing a reliable offensive presence on the floor that would take away the opponent's ability to ignore the C position defensively, or (C) providing both A and B.

". . . which goes back to my point that BH should not and is not even on the list of top problems with the team."

There is no ranking when it comes to the list of problems on this team. This team's problems cover the entire roster, top to bottom. Whether guy A's problem is a bigger or lesser problem than guy B's problem is irrelevant, really. The problems are so pervasive that fixing just one isn't likely to alter the overall results.

Posted by: kalo_rama | December 28, 2009 4:23 PM | Report abuse

He gets blocks, but doesn't know how to play defense. And he's too skinny to be able to play offense in the post, so he's useless unless you're breaking.

I much prefer Blatche. Honestly, I don't see what they're talking about as Oberto being a good post defender. Really? Well, at least he fights to keep guys out of the post. But he's so slow he seems like a doormat most of the time.

So I don't know.

Bottom line, I think we're going to be ok with either Oberto or McGee off the bench. Our problem is not our backup center. Once Gil gets going (and he's almost there), we're going to be fine.

Posted by: Matte | December 28, 2009 4:23 PM | Report abuse

C'mon. Forget that he got GA on the cheap the first time?

This has been stated before, and I don't think it's true. Gil was signed for 10 mil/yr and that must of been pretty close to max money for a guy with 2 yrs in the league. In fact, Grunfeld has a habit of overpaying guys. Maybe it's a bad habit he picked up from the Knicks.

Posted by: djnnnou | December 28, 2009 4:24 PM | Report abuse

I love how some posters give the fake 3 + BH benefit of doubt and the Wiz record suck just like they do. When it comes to McGee, Young, Critt we can't take a chance and let them play through mistakes. If McGee was a top 10 pick he'd be playing. PEOPLE THIS TEAM WON 19 LAST YR AND ARE SUCKING THIS YR. Miller is not the savior. He's a journeyman. ERNIE HAS MADE BAD DECISION AFTER BAD DECISION AND FLIP IS A JOKE AND HAS ALWAYS BEEN ONE. I'm not wasting another dollar until changes are made.

Posted by: rnbrown4 | December 28, 2009 4:26 PM | Report abuse

I agree with Blurred;
How would we know how bad or good Mcgee is with him not playing. Some of you are giving yourselves too much credit if you think you can determine who "has it" and who does not with so little to base it on.

Then If bitting on pump fakes (while some are quite silly) or goaltending two shots gets you banished to the DNP list thats an indication of why this team is so soft. As far as being backed down by bigger centers I'm not buying that either. There are not that many of them and thats why he should not be starting and having the full responsiblity of defending the best centers yet.

Posted by: millineumman | December 28, 2009 4:29 PM | Report abuse

@gteferra,

Yeah, shame on EG. I did not like the contract then and I don't like the contract now. However, again, how much control over some of those decisions did EG have? I don't believe and have never believed that signing AJ and GA was his preference. It was his bosses. I think he would have started over right then and there if it were his choice alone.

Posted by: rphilli721 | December 28, 2009 4:33 PM | Report abuse

"The problems are so pervasive that fixing just one isn't likely to alter the overall results."

Except the C position, which you just said could be improved along with overall results quite easily without even replacing him with a top 5/6 center. Interesting.

@djnnnou,

Umm...really? Never heard anyone argue that GA's first contract was too expensive. Was it a gamble based on what he had done to that point? Maybe. But, that was one gamble he was dead on about.

@Divi,

I have not stated that McGee shouldn't get mins. Just arguing why he doesn't. Plus, debunking the notion that he is somehow the answer to improving the team right now. I said exactly what you are saying - there are no better alternatives so why not.

If you look at my preferred lineup above, I have McGee playing 5/8 mins of the second quarter every game and perhaps more based on how he is playing that night. That can't hurt him or the team.

Posted by: rphilli721 | December 28, 2009 4:49 PM | Report abuse

Play McGee 10 or 12 minutes per night or send him to the D-League.

He is of no use to the Wizards clapping on the bench after made baskets and free throws.

Ernie's disdain for developing players in the D-League has retarded their growth.

If JaVale can lead his team in blocks and shoot 65% from the floor it stands to reason his confidence will strengthen as well when he returns.

Posted by: elfreako | December 28, 2009 5:15 PM | Report abuse

I think EG has done great work. This roster is SO much better than 4 years ago. Hands down.

Now, admittedly he doesn't draft. But his trades have been awesome.

Miller may be a journeyman, but so was Steve Kerr. How about Robert Horry? Miller was brought here to do a job, and that job wasn't be a super-star play maker. His job is to hit threes and defend. He's done a great job of that.

Posted by: Matte | December 28, 2009 5:17 PM | Report abuse

There are enough vets out on the floor, so if years in league is the total value delivered by Oberto, than I'd rather see McGee on the court. If he falters, it is developmentally beneficial and hurts less than a CB or Zero funk. If he plays well and improves, it means we can rest Antawn more - 40 mins is too much for a kid let alone a grizzled vet.

Posted by: pkiernan | December 28, 2009 5:25 PM | Report abuse

to the guy who wants to trade three of our players for tracy mcgrady. r u crazy? tracy hasn't played a full season in how many years? and what kind of game does he have? just another guy who needs the ball to score. we already have 2.5 of those on the starting team. to the haywood haters: no, he ain't a star, but he's serviceable, and IS NOT the reason the team is losing games they should win. much of the losing results from lack of team defense, too many turnovers, poor shot selection, mismatched roles, poor player rotation and poor player development. to start with.

Posted by: dcjazzman | December 28, 2009 5:29 PM | Report abuse

I think it's definitely worth letting Javale get a little time on the court. Especially if we go into one of those swoons where players aren't moving on D and not defending the rim. McGee at least does that. He's an energy player and worth bringing in during those spells when the team seems to lack energy -- much like Flip has been doing with McGuire. A well-timed alley-oop or big-time block may help break the team out of the doldrums.

Plus, McGee is likely a significant cog in the future of the team, either as a player or as trade bait, so it behooves the team to showcase him a little bit and see what he can do.

Posted by: ts35 | December 28, 2009 5:30 PM | Report abuse

Blurred,

I agree that Blair is not Jamison's equal in terms of trading value or offensive stats. I'm not pining for Blair as much as I am disgusted with Jamison.

Jamison, in spite of his pretty stat sheet, does not deliver wins or defensive leadership (defense still wins championships). I am more inclined to trade Jamison's "value" for a more rugged player that plays team basketball, even if he has lesser offensive stats. If done right, we might be able to finagle a couple first round picks to boot.

Posted by: bazookajoe1 | December 28, 2009 5:52 PM | Report abuse

After a month now of wondering what is going I'm at least happy the issue has been raised. Of course McGee should get a shot. The better question now is why are we reverting to last year when vets get playing time just because they're vets. Oberto provides nothing and every time Flips puts him out there the team does a nose dive. At Minn on Saturday Oberto got in and we were up 17-11. After 2 minutes we were down 20-21 and in his first series Minn grab 4 offenvies rebs. Flip stop playing Oberto, McGee should be playing before.

Posted by: 33dgriffin | December 28, 2009 6:41 PM | Report abuse

The ship be sinking.

Posted by: original_mark | December 28, 2009 7:47 PM | Report abuse

...and the sky's the limit.

Posted by: original_mark | December 28, 2009 7:49 PM | Report abuse

The comments to this entry are closed.

 
 
RSS Feed
Subscribe to The Post

© 2010 The Washington Post Company