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Blatche, Saunders discuss suspension

Andray Blatche is suspended for tonight's game against the Detroit Pistons, but he still showed up at Verizon Center on Tuesday. He was wearing a vest, tie and slacks as he prepared to make a statement to lawyers at Verizon Center before speaking with law enforcement authorities later in the afternoon.

JaVale McGee and Mike Miller also spoke with investigators today, and Caron Butler tended to a family emergency involving an uncle, so Coach Flip Saunders was once again shorthanded for preparations against the Pistons. McGee and Butler are expected to be available for the game, while Miller's availability probably won't be determined until before the game because of his sore right calf.

Blatche was still unsure of the exact reason that he was suspended on Monday, telling me that he was shocked when he arrived for practice and Saunders sent him home. Blatche said the best he could surmise is that he was suspended because of his attitude during a timeout in Sunday's 115-110 loss to New Orleans. On Monday, Blatche complained about having no shot attempts in the game on his Facebook page. He wrote, "Never have I played a game and had no shot attempts, they me all [expletive] up."

That comments about shot attempts didn't sit too well with Saunders, who addressed that before this morning's shootaround. "I know he says I didn't get a shot. If you're 6-10, 6-11, you can get an offensive rebound. For anybody who thinks that a coach has to run plays to get you shots, that's a team that's not going to be a good team," Saunders said. "My biggest thing since coming here, I've been to four straight conference championships, I have never ever on those teams had a player ask about shots. And since I've been here, the main thing, my main focus to change is the number of players to say, 'I've got to get shots.' In Detroit for three years, I never had one player ever ask. Same thing in Minnesota. The only player I think I ever had in 14 years, was maybe Wally Szczerbiak, a few times. And Dray is one of them."

I asked Blatche if he complained about shot attempts, and Blatche said he didn't say a word to the coaches. He said the coaching staff told him to get in the low block on Sunday, but whenever he goes in the post, "It's like I'm invisible." He said that's why he often drifts out to the perimeter in order to get the ball.

He also said that he snapped on head athletic trainer Eric Waters after the game because he had complained about soreness in his left knee for almost a week and had never been offered treatment until he was dressed and ready to leave. Blatche then shook his head. "I'm always the guy they want to make an example of," he said.

Saunders said his players have to change their priorities if the team is going to be successful. "I hope he comes back energized. I hope he comes back with a focus. I hope he understands what it takes to win," Saunders said of Blatche. "We have to have a mindset change, if what we talk about doing is trying to be a winning team and winning a championship. It might not happen this year. If we want it to happen down the road, certain things have to change."

When asked how hard it would be to change that mindset, Saunders said, "It's going to be really easy, you sit them on the bench."

Without Blatche, Saunders said the Wizards would have to rely more on Antawn Jamison and Brendan Haywood, with Fabricio Oberto, Dominic McGuire and JaVale McGee filling in the gaps.

By Michael Lee  |  January 12, 2010; 12:49 PM ET
 
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Doesn't Randy Foye's play show that he should have been the first PG off the bench instead of Boykins? Why could we see that and Flip could not? Also, why did Flip go away from the tall line-up with Caron at the two and Blatche at the 4 when they won the game with that line-up? The next game Brendan was hurt and then it seemed he abaondoned it. Blatche at the 4 and Caron at the two is an NBA line-up (size wise). Remember everyone talking about Caron did not have to pump fake when he was being guarded by a two guard and it gave the Wiz a mismatch? Isn't the NBA all about creating mismatches so that there can be a double team for open shots. Will Flip ever go with the tall line-up and just let them play a good 10 games together, please!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: ptp23 | January 12, 2010 12:58 PM | Report abuse

so the question is...

DOES MCGEE FINALLY GET SOME PT?????

Posted by: Blurred | January 12, 2010 1:04 PM | Report abuse

Is Flip Saunders in over his head? He seems completely lost and clueless right now.

Posted by: dovelevine | January 12, 2010 1:06 PM | Report abuse

Anyone have Avery Johnson on speed dial?

Posted by: dovelevine | January 12, 2010 1:07 PM | Report abuse

You are missing the point...he was the franchise player until they realized he wasn't a franchise player.

When did they realize he wasn't a franchise player? When he didn't win them a championship?

If so, add Kevin Garnett to your list of non-franchise players. He couldn't do a thing until he got with other non-franchise players in Paul Pierce and Ray Allen. Does the logic hold true?

Posted by: artiesliver | January 12, 2010 1:04 PM | Report abuse

Just because someone is your "best" player doesn't mean he is a "franchise" player.

Maybe all that time, while KG was in Minn and they were trying to fit pieces around him they should have tried to fit him around someone else. That seemed to work, didn't it? Is KG the "best" player in Boston? Would the Celts call him their "franchise" player? I believe Pierce is their "franchise" player.

But the point also stands that Pau Gasol is no Kevin Garnett.

I now renounce this dicussion, as kalo is right...you are just arguing to argue and can't keep your argument straight. Your points are not germane to the topic, most of your "facts" are conjecture at best and you have no sense of relativity.

Good day.

Posted by: Blurred | January 12, 2010 1:13 PM | Report abuse

Frankly, I think this is refreshing and long overdue. I'm defending Flip on this one. He inherited a mangerial mess and bad attitude built up over years of neglect and lack of accountability.

Having said that, Jamison does the same thing. He rarely gets fed the ball underneath (becuase he's not big and strong enough to create space) so he hangs out by the three-point line to get a few touches. With Brendan's hands so bad and his limited low-post game, no one is used to getting the ball to the big men.

Anyway--glad to see the dysfunctional attitude of this team finally being addressed head-on and openly.

Posted by: jweber1 | January 12, 2010 1:13 PM | Report abuse

Blatche is a loser. Period. However, I hope the team has in fact told him exactly why he's being suspended. Communication is important.

Posted by: Tank2 | January 12, 2010 1:16 PM | Report abuse

Is Flip Saunders in over his head? He seems completely lost and clueless right now.

Posted by: dovelevine | January 12, 2010 1:06 PM

He just took over a team that has been lost and clueless that needs to put the wants of team over the wants of the individual.

Posted by: Realness1 | January 12, 2010 1:26 PM | Report abuse

Coupla things:

Blatche has been as bad as I've ever seen him the last couple of weeks. He literally can't buy a basket.

That being said, the thing I'd think you would want to do is get him the ball down low so he can get some high percentage shots.

Also kind of telling in all of this is Blatche's comment about the trainer and his lack of action.
And since we've all seen Mike Miller on the court with his arm hanging down to the floor, while the coach and trainer seem oblivious, and considering all the halth missteps on this team the past couple of years, this seems to say a whole lot about the care these players are getting.

Posted by: dovelevine | January 12, 2010 1:32 PM | Report abuse

This sounds like some left over stuff from the Eddie Jordan days. This also could have resulted from the $10,000 fine. Blatche was always a favorite in Jordan's doghouse. And to fine just 4 people when you can clearly see the whole team laughing is just F***** Up. That just brings last year back when younger players on the team were taking all the heat for not stepping up.

Posted by: 33dgriffin | January 12, 2010 1:33 PM | Report abuse

I still don't see Flip as much different than the 2 Eddies. The only way other players get PT is if someone else gets hurt or suspended. Why can't Young, Blatche, Mcgee and Mcguire get consistent PT? Why can't McGee get any PT? Why wasn't Foye getting more PT before Arenas got suspended? Why is Deshawn and Oberto even playing? Boykins is a situational player. You can't ride him all the time. We seem to have the pieces, but a good coach needs to know how to put it together. There is no consistency in player rotation, minutes or PT. It's no wonder there's no consistency with this team. It's not championship material, but is definitely better than 11 wins!!!

Posted by: garrybrown | January 12, 2010 1:34 PM | Report abuse

BTW is Eddie Jordan starting to look better and better thru the rear view mirror.
Seems he knew what he was doing. He knew he couldn't get these guys to play defense. And he knew he couldn't get the backing of management to make them play defense, so he realized the only way to win was to score as many points as possible. And he almost made that plan work. Pretty amazing now in retrospect.

Posted by: dovelevine | January 12, 2010 1:36 PM | Report abuse

Don't get me wrong. I agree with Flip (which is a first) Blatche needs to get some offensive rebounds if his teammates aren't passing him the ball.

Posted by: 33dgriffin | January 12, 2010 1:37 PM | Report abuse

As a follow up to the last thread on what the Wizards should do now for their team. I disagree that they should clear as much cap space as possible (though they need to void Arenas' deal ASAP) what top FA is gonna want to come here next year? Do you think Bosh and Wade are calling each other and saying lets go play for the Wizards next year? While I'm all about them blowing up this roster I hope they realize they will need a core group of players to attract top free agents, not McGee and N. Young. Anyways in my blog i proposed 6 trades the Wizards should make I'd love to hear what you guys think http://fanspeak.com/ check it out, and let me know

Posted by: Steveo11 | January 12, 2010 1:39 PM | Report abuse

I now renounce this dicussion, as kalo is right...you are just arguing to argue and can't keep your argument straight. Your points are not germane to the topic, most of your "facts" are conjecture at best and you have no sense of relativity. Good day.

And your "facts" are ridiculous. Enjoy this beautiful day!

Posted by: artiesliver | January 12, 2010 1:44 PM | Report abuse

I don't understand Saunders, probably never will. For a coach who supposedly made it a point to talk to the players before the season, he is doing an awful lot of avoiding it during the season. If he was more in touch with the guys, he would know what was bothering them. NO, he doesn't need to be a shrink or crying shoulder. He just needs to be in touch with them. Why couldn't he find out more about Blatche's sore knee complaint? Doesn't he know that the team trainers have a bad reputation already with the team? Or does Blatche need to sit in the ice tub with his suit on for him to be happy?
How about starting with talking to each and everyone one of the players before, during, after practices until he talks to each one at least once a week one-on-one?

Posted by: rickgonz | January 12, 2010 1:47 PM | Report abuse

"Is Flip Saunders in over his head? He seems completely lost and clueless right now."

The same thing people said about Jordan and Tapscott. At some point, don't the players become responsible for their own performance?

Posted by: kalo_rama | January 12, 2010 1:49 PM | Report abuse

"The only player I think I ever had in 14 years, was maybe Wally Szczerbiak, a few times."

Dray getting lumped in with Wally World? OUCH.

Posted by: MBUSA | January 12, 2010 2:00 PM | Report abuse

And since I've been here, the main thing, my main focus to change is the number of players to say, 'I've got to get shots.' In Detroit for three years, I never had one player ever ask. Same thing in Minnesota. The only player I think I ever had in 14 years, was maybe Wally Szczerbiak, a few times. And Dray is one of them."

This is the big difference between the Wizzies & Winners.

My shots.
My PT
My Stats
My ego

Nothing is gonna change til this me me me attitude changes.

Team play wins.

Posted by: VBFan | January 12, 2010 2:00 PM | Report abuse

I have been saying this ALL along...the problem is Grunsfeld. He has let problems go on for far too long and they all center around letting the star players get their way.

Jamison knew it
Gilbert knew it
Caron knew it

But NONE of them stepped up to say anything to buck the trends they saw.

Gilbert knew he couldn't and wouldn't be touched, hence, he wreaked havoc on the rookies military style until there guys feel they can't say anything...i.e. Blatche.

Jamison is not as vocal as he needs to be. He only speaks when he NEEDS or is called on to do so...hence Andre feels favoritism, or acutal, he sees it being administered.

Caron, the only guy from me who gets a pass...doesn't speak because he knows that could mean him being traded since Gil and Jamison sat in Abe's back pocket. Once again, observation that kept Blatche and others quiet.

HOw do you kill these bad habits? GET RID OF MANAGEMENT!

Please, Wiz fans, stop looking at players for problems that are not theirs to even begin with. This organization needs to be gutted just like the Washington Redskins do...from the top to the bottom.

They need several components blown up and reassembled in order to change direction.

Saunders doesn't have mature players so what do you expect?!?!?

Their are only 5-7 players I wouldn't get rid of at this point.

Caron
Nick
Andre
JaVale
McGuire
Foye

EVERYONE else in my books is trade bait! At this point anywho...

Dumpsfeld? GONE!

Posted by: cbmuzik | January 12, 2010 2:01 PM | Report abuse

And that's the important thing isn't it Andre? Getting the ball is more important than winning. And I agree with you. It is like you're invisible out there. I certainly don't see you crashing the boards or fighting for offensive rebounds. That, by the way, is another way to get the ball. But of course, that involves doing work.

Posted by: sonny2 | January 12, 2010 2:04 PM | Report abuse

I don't understand Saunders, probably never will. For a coach who supposedly made it a point to talk to the players before the season, he is doing an awful lot of avoiding it during the season. If he was more in touch with the guys, he would know what was bothering them. NO, he doesn't need to be a shrink or crying shoulder. He just needs to be in touch with them. Why couldn't he find out more about Blatche's sore knee complaint? Doesn't he know that the team trainers have a bad reputation already with the team? Or does Blatche need to sit in the ice tub with his suit on for him to be happy?
How about starting with talking to each and everyone one of the players before, during, after practices until he talks to each one at least once a week one-on-one?

Posted by: rickgonz | January 12, 2010 1:47 PM
Let me ask this because it is funy how people react on here by what information is leaked to the media LOL How do you know for a fact that Saunders is not in touch with his players because you only know what they want you to know and not what actually goes on behind closed doors and will stay behind closed doors So Funny you all are LMFAO

Posted by: rnorris6 | January 12, 2010 2:07 PM | Report abuse

No, I think Saunders is doing an excellent job. I love his mindset and through process of elimination, the rotation will be set.

Blatche is my dude, BUT the coach is 100% correct. The mindset of all the players needs to change and looks like Coach Saunders can in fact get it done.

Suspending and sitting guys is the best way. So McGee will get some burn tonight. Let's hope he hasn't wasted his time on the bench and in fact is ready.

We'll see tonight.

Posted by: kevenjones | January 12, 2010 2:07 PM | Report abuse

"Anyone have Avery Johnson on speed dial?"

I'm pretty sure he's got the Wizards on his blocked numbers list.

Posted by: kalo_rama | January 12, 2010 2:08 PM | Report abuse

Saunders is doing exactly what needs to be done. He is asserting control. He is also making sure the team realizes nobody is above the fray and is accountable. He is, as the article mentions, reminding players what kind of mindset winners have. He is teaching them to be champions - mentally.

Most importantly, suspending a few players, torturing a few more in tough practices and lambasting even a few more in the media is all about BREAKING THEM DOWN to BUILD THEM BACK UP.

They can contact their lawyers, scream to the media and cry like children as the bully teacher and coach lays down the law. But they soon will realize that winning comes from much more than physical talent. It's an attitude - a philosophy of life - an energy that is clearly missing and must be re-charged.

This town and these players don't know it yet, but Saunders is 100% right to do precisely what he's doing, and he's NOT over his head. He's over OURS - and his winning mentality and positive vibe will, in the long run, win the day.

You're seeing the bloodletting during the building process right now. It's rough to watch, difficult to accept, but completely necessary. This team NEEDS him to do it.

DC sports fans, allow Saunders to complete his task. Do NOT be swayed by the tears and hurt feelings of a few of the players who are undergoing this. It won't last forever.

I, for one, consider Saunders a hero and the first coach to show with his ACTIONS that he means serious business and is a true winner.

Posted by: JimGoldbloom1 | January 12, 2010 2:10 PM | Report abuse

When asked how hard it would be to change that mindset, Saunders said, "It's going to be really easy, you sit them on the bench."

I beg to differ with that. Sitting players on the bench has little impact when the ones you play can't win games.

And secondly, Blatche has been unfairly benched for his whole career in Washington for all sorts of reasons.

SOS again from Flip, Is he really serious.

LarryInClintnMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | January 12, 2010 2:10 PM | Report abuse

"And secondly, Blatche has been unfairly benched for his whole career in Washington for all sorts of reasons. "

Like being out of shape and not playing hard? Yeah, those are awful reasons not to play a guy. Damn the Wizards for their persecution.

Posted by: kalo_rama | January 12, 2010 2:13 PM | Report abuse

Just another example of the dire need we have to blow this team up pronto and start over. Lets get Flip some players who want to win and see what happens.

Posted by: jinbahji@hotmail.com | January 12, 2010 2:15 PM | Report abuse

Saunder can read the writing on the wall. He knows change is coming and he's setting a tone that will be quite clear both to the few holdovers and the new comers. No free rides, no easy passes. Put up or shut up and sit down.

It's kind of funny that this is the very thing people criticized Jordan and Tapscott for supposedly not doing. Now that someone is doing it, some of the the same people are complaining.

Posted by: kalo_rama | January 12, 2010 2:15 PM | Report abuse

Hey Saunders this is not Detroit. The pieces on this team don't fit like they did there. Also there is no winning tradition here to build on and you must have seen that coming in. It seems now like you are trying to use the media to justify your actions as a coach but all it does is put the players in a bad light. This is becoming an increasingly ugly situation with the coaches and players pointing their fingers at each other and the management fining players for laughing.

Posted by: dandyhuffman | January 12, 2010 2:18 PM | Report abuse

All players complain about touches, but not to the coach.

AB put this crap on his facebook page but claims he didnt say 1 word about it to Flip.

So what's the deal? Buncha gossipy teen girls checking each others facebook pages for updates then running to tell Flip?

Or AB is lying and did complain about the lack of touches?

Bottomline is AB should be able to create some shots for himself anyway

Posted by: divi3 | January 12, 2010 2:18 PM | Report abuse

"I know he says I didn't get a shot. If you're 6-10, 6-11, you can get an offensive rebound. For anybody who thinks that a coach has to run plays to get you shots, that's a team that's not going to be a good team," Saunders said


what about when a coach takes you out of a role where you have been better than you had in your career, only to put you into a role where you are less comfortable and historically have less success. 7 day Dray was ballin when he started at the 4. Of course he's got to come off the bench now that AJ's healthy, but maybe that means more 3 for AJ and a bigger lineup. I dunno, it seems like Flip is grasping at straws for ways to salvage his team .

"For anybody who thinks that a coach has to run plays to get you shots, that's a team that's not going to be a good team," Saunders said

what's your record right now jagoff

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | January 12, 2010 2:19 PM | Report abuse

And you can't tell guys to go get a rebound when the offensive play excludes them.

This is a joke and anyone that backs Flip on this is clueless about winning basketball and creating Team cohesion.

What good reason on this Team would you not pass the ball to Andray Blatche. I guess the same good reasons that McGee can't get PT, or McGuire, or why you keep force feeding Boykins.

Yawl keep thinking, that it's the players fault. As long as Flip thinks that also, this Team ain't going to win crap.

Nota' Nothing, can ya' hear, Flip want be winning nothing with this Team. For, up to this point, he is using regressive old school techniques that only work in individual cases and on a limited basis.

To try to change a team that isn't winning with those techniques is downright foolish and I as surprised how many of you are behind him on this.

C'mon people!!!

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | January 12, 2010 2:22 PM | Report abuse

>>you sit them on the bench."

Technically there's no bench. Hasn't been in about uh 25 years. Chairs. It's all CHAIRS now. No pine. Just metal.
No bench players, just chair players. No coming off the bench. Just coming outta the chairs. Cmon peeps. Lets move into the 2010.

Posted by: dovelevine | January 12, 2010 2:27 PM | Report abuse

@LarryInClintnMD,

Dude WTF are you talking about? They aint winning anyway, or have you not noticed.

And Blatche unfairly benched his whole career?? C'mon man.

How can you question Flip's coaching ability when he has been to the conference finals what 3-4 times. His record is 587-396 .

You ever think it MIGHT be the players and Ernie that assembled the roster that is the problem??

Posted by: kevenjones | January 12, 2010 2:27 PM | Report abuse

Further evidence of the team’s star-crossed fortunes: Of all the players on the roster (outside of Jamison and Butler, who are most likely gone regardless), the guys who most exhibit the qualities of unselfishness, toughness, team orientation that the organization would like to put on display (Miller, Foye, McGuire) are all unrestricted FAs who are almost certainly taking the first bus outta town no matter what the Wiz offer them.

"And you can't tell guys to go get a rebound when the offensive play excludes them."

I'm pretty sure he can and did.

"What good reason on this Team would you not pass the ball to Andray Blatche."

There's a very good reason not to pass it to him in the post (and not getting the ball in the post is specifically what the complaint was about): because his soft inside play and aversion to contact more often than not yields negative results when he gets the ball down low. If he proved he could produce positive results inside, he'd get the ball there more .

Posted by: kalo_rama | January 12, 2010 2:29 PM | Report abuse

It's kind of funny that this is the very thing people criticized Jordan and Tapscott for supposedly not doing. Now that someone is doing it, some of the the same people are complaining.

Posted by: kalo_rama | January 12, 2010 2:15 PM | Report abuse

i agree that the wiz needed a "firm hand" this time as a coach (i hope i said that right), someone who can really discipline and inspire the troops. right now it's all discipline not inspiration/motivation. they are losing so to fans, and maybe some players, it looks like flip is cutting his nose to spite his face. I don't remember the team having this same tension this year, at least not before LockerGate. It seems like a lot of this stuff is misdirected. I didn't see the lil skit that Gil did with the 4 guys who got fined, but the pic from the post has our captain, AJ front and center with his 50 million dollar grin. I think it was you Kal who said people can tell when a puss is pretending to be a tough guy, and flip seems like that guy.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | January 12, 2010 2:30 PM | Report abuse

Saunders came into this situation voluntarily and (supposedly) with his eyes open, on a "win now" EG mandate. I would prefer to take Flip's decision to come here on face value, that he actually believed the Wiz had the talent and he had the coaching talent to make these guys gel, play defense, learn his system and win this year before all the FAs walk. On that score Flip can only be rated an abject failure. Alternatively, he is either just taking the organization's money and/or holding out on this season so he can jettison players and remake the list in his own image. If that's the case, he may ultimately be successful, but then he took this job on false premises and he's disingenuous. So anyway you cut it, I am less than impressed with the Flipster's MO so far.

Posted by: ArchieTambo | January 12, 2010 2:31 PM | Report abuse

"What good reason on this Team would you not pass the ball to Andray Blatche. I guess the same good reasons that McGee can't get PT, or McGuire, or why you keep force feeding Boykins"


Exactly the same good reason. Blatche thinks he's a 6-11 shooting guard and doesn't know how to play his position.

Dude alot of Blatche's problem is attitude. And it's partly the organizations fault but as an example, Blatche has the nerve to question the coach on anything. What the hell has he accomplished to earn him that right?

Posted by: kevenjones | January 12, 2010 2:34 PM | Report abuse

Anyone that Flip is making the right decisions now are delusional.

The last time I checked, the wheels did not just start to come off with this Team.

They were coming off even before Gilbert drove into the ditch.

Now, all Flip is doing is CYAing, for he hasn't been coaching worth crapola.

Put Blatche in at a position that he can't play and he doesn't get any passes in the offense, so he gets upset and complains about it. Seems natural to me.

But to come out any say it is his fault because he did not pull down some rebounds and get his own shots is low people.

That is low people. That is low people.

It's the players, It's the players, It's the players.

Oh PuLease'.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | January 12, 2010 2:34 PM | Report abuse

Am I not getting something? Isn't the first major step to fixing this thing for there to be some kind of declaration about who owns (or is going to) and is running this franchise? I'm confused: Is it the Polin sons? Leonsis? Leonsis maybe? Will they keep Grunfeld? Does Grunfeld have a green light to deal? Who's approving his trades? Who do they want to keep? Who does Flip want to keep? Some of this stuff is unknowable but the rest Michael should be one to because without it it's hard to even begin to guess what's going on.

Posted by: jweber1 | January 12, 2010 2:38 PM | Report abuse

Arenas
NY
AJ
AB
Haywood

did we see that lineup once this season? Matchup nightmare for the opposition you'd think given how well each player has performed this season at each slot.

Flip stinks.

Posted by: divi3 | January 12, 2010 2:38 PM | Report abuse

I think it is very sad that professional basketball players act as if they are owed something. You earn your paycheck by grabbing a few rebounds, playing defense and PLAYING BASKETBALL. You earn "touches" by grabbing a few rebounds, playing defense and PLAYING BASKETBALL.
This roster does need a mindset change. They have been so undisciplined in the past they they feel like they can run things they way they want. If there was discipline, there would be no guns brougnt into the workplace FOR ANY REASON! There would be no complaining from a player that has not proven himself to be a complete basketball player.
While it has been fun to be in touch with athletes thru Twitter and all, this age of technology seems to be getting out of hand.
A basketball player like Blatche should go to a summer school training session with lets say, Coach K on how to carry yourself as a young man and a professional athlete. Improving your game would be secondary. Learning how to conduct yourself should be primary.
There has been so much negative light on this organization as of late that it makes you wonder how if the GM was really in tune with what was going on the past few years. You had Gilby undermining Coach Jordan every chance he could and players saw that and believed that if Gil can do it, why can't I? Now Flip has a task to get these boys to stop crying and play ball!
If you have to bench players, BENCH 'EM! Get their attention!

I do believe that you have to play some of the other players to get them ready to play just in case they need to step in right away. GIVE Dom McGuire some PT MAN!
He might get some tonight but man...!

Posted by: Doobie_Sparks | January 12, 2010 2:39 PM | Report abuse

Why would any free agent come here? And why would any FA's already here, stay here? Look at how management has treated its players.
The League, not the team suspended Arenas. Therefor the team could have taken the high road and at least given the look of support to the player. Instead, they have completely dumped him, and tried to make it look as if he never played here. Taking his jerseys out of the store?? How bush of the Wiz.
Then fining players for laughing? But of course not all players, just the 2nd tier players even though all were involved.

Why would anyone want to be a part of this. The Wizards have reached the absolute bottom of the pit. The worst I've ever seen in all my years following them.

Posted by: dovelevine | January 12, 2010 2:39 PM | Report abuse

"The last time I checked, the wheels did not just start to come off with this Team.

They were coming off even before Gilbert drove into the ditch."

The wheels were coming off this team long before Flip got the handed the keys. Claiming that this mess is his fault while giving a pass to guys who have been here for 5 years or more is ridiculous.

Posted by: kalo_rama | January 12, 2010 2:40 PM | Report abuse

The Wizards have done the impossible--they've made the Redskins look like a functional well run organization.
Well Done.

Posted by: dovelevine | January 12, 2010 2:44 PM | Report abuse

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD |
Larry please enlighten me on this coaching problem tell me have you coached a NBA team Oh thats right you have not Well have you coached a major college team Dang no you have not HMMMMMM have you even coached High School or Pee Wee I seriously doubt it LOL Now I REALLY do respect you and your opinion but honestly you are no expert or you would be making your livibg doing it as I would or anyone else posting on here so plese dont make it sound like you are a expert because you and me and everyone else on here just want the same thing and that is to get this team back to being a respected and a team we want to be a part of. Just my 2 cents worth aand please dont take this as an attack on you personally

Posted by: rnorris6 | January 12, 2010 2:45 PM | Report abuse

Randy Foye, Nick Young, AB, Mcgee.....4/5 of our starting lineup next season?

Posted by: divi3 | January 12, 2010 2:52 PM | Report abuse

Baltche is soft as a wet noodle and a pu**y as well. He wants points, go in the paint and get some rebounds like Flip said and dunk them back in. Instead, he hangs out 20 feet or more from the basket and whines like a little *itch. get rid of this guy already!

Posted by: nowhine | January 12, 2010 2:54 PM | Report abuse

BTW is Eddie Jordan starting to look better and better thru the rear view mirror.
Seems he knew what he was doing. He knew he couldn't get these guys to play defense. And he knew he couldn't get the backing of management to make them play defense, so he realized the only way to win was to score as many points as possible. And he almost made that plan work. Pretty amazing now in retrospect.

Posted by: dovelevine | January 12, 2010 1:36 PM

Dovelevine,

I've said many times. The reason I said that Eddie had to go was because he went away from what make him a success with the Team.

Offense was his forte' and when Charles Barkely and others kept criticizing the Wizards and said they would not win anything that year he got the AllStar nod, he listened to them and changed his approach to what was winning for him.

When Gilbert told Barkely that they would win by playing offense, Barkely mocked him, but Gilbert really was right. For, with that team the only way they were beating teams was by scoring and they were in the top of the League in scoring.

Eddie bought into the criticism, changed what was a winning formula for him for the sake of trying to be a better defensive Team.

It was the wrong thing for him to have done and it changed the chemistry of his Team and caused him and Gilbert to openly disagree about the direction of the Team.

The Wizards under Jordan then needed to stay with what was winning for them and it was offense. Jordan never should have listened to the socalled pundits whom thought they knew better.

Winning is doing those things that causes you team to win and it was offense then under Eddie.

Flip Saunders is not making the right decisions to make this group of players win.

A mediocre team playing well can at least play in the middle of the pack. The fact that this team cannot even play mediocre goes to coaching and not THE PLAYERS.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | January 12, 2010 2:56 PM | Report abuse

He also said that he snapped on head athletic trainer Eric Waters after the game because he had complained about soreness in his left knee for almost a week and had never been offered treatment until he was dressed and ready to leave. Blatche then shook his head. "I'm always the guy they want to make an example of," he said.

Am i the only one who picked up on this comment?!?! Can we do something to get rid of this god awful training staff? The man complained for a week about his knee and it took Eric Waters a week to get to him? He's worse than a maintenance man in an apartment complex!! When will Michael Lee speak on this? Why is he kept through all these regimes??

Posted by: CBell29 | January 12, 2010 2:58 PM | Report abuse

I'm not a big Flip Saunders fan, but it's crazy to say you can't ask Blatche to rebound unless he gets x number of shots. That's not team cohesion, that's the tale wagging the dog. If team cohesion depended on every player getting the number of shots that he wanted, no team would have team cohesion. Worrying about your shots and making that more important than anything else is selfishness. It's also losing basketball. Message to Blatche: stop pouting about your precious shots, man up, get down on the low post, grab some boards and play tough defense. In other words, grow up and earn your million dollar paycheck.

Posted by: sonny2 | January 12, 2010 2:59 PM | Report abuse

Practice, we talkin bout practice!
Not a game, not a game, practice!
We talkin bout practice!
Practice! Practice, Not a game!
We talkin bout practice!

News flash just in from NBA Insider Magazine:

AI missed practice today! Didnt miss a game, missed practice! Missed practice, not a game, not a game, missed practice!

You mean we could have signed AI?

No problem here in DC. You can just say that you were being interviewed by the FBI, CIA, NSA, KGB, pick your Organization. That way, you can miss practice without repercussion.


Great to be a Wizard Fan now, is'nt it!

Posted by: jshavatt | January 12, 2010 2:59 PM | Report abuse

I told you Ernie had a plan.

Arenas has essentially terminated that albatross of a contract through sheer stupidity and the inability to control himself, while Butler and Jamison will be traded simply because they aren't good enough to build a team around.

Be patient and let Ernie work his magic. He's as free as a bird now and it will show through his deeds. Give him time.

Posted by: melodious_thunk | January 12, 2010 3:07 PM | Report abuse

man, this team is more disarray everyday. i wonder if flip is playing the reform game to beat Grundfeld in keeping a job.

Posted by: oknow1 | January 12, 2010 3:07 PM | Report abuse

I don't think Saunders is lost and clueless at all. Echoing what a lot have already mentioned: based on what Saunders says and is trying to do, I can see why he is a 50 win coach.

The question is do the Wizards have a 50 win mindset? Not yet.

Posted by: cannontl | January 12, 2010 3:09 PM | Report abuse

I'm not mad at this at all. That's what we were always taught. If you're not getting the ball GO GET IT. Haywood doesn't get touches on offense. But he puts points. How? He hits the offensive boards and gets his famous soft ass putbacks. LOL

Who said you can't ask him to rebound if he's not included in the play? THAT'S LOSER TALK. If you're damn near 7 feet. Hit the glass and get your buckets.

Posted by: SDMDTSU | January 12, 2010 3:10 PM | Report abuse

@Rnorris6,

I have done some coaching, so I do know a little bit about motivating and getting a group of men to succeed. And notice, I said men, all about equal in age as a lot of these guys most are critizing with the Wizards.

So, yeah, you have noticed that I do criticize the coaching as a major ill for what's been wrong with the Wizards.

And until I see some better coaching exhibited with this organization, I will also start with the coaching first, for believe it or not it starts their first and not with the players.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | January 12, 2010 3:10 PM | Report abuse

I will say this, the coach HAS to put the players in position to do what they are paid to do.
Coach Flip has not done that since he has been here and his rotations has been the worst yet!
Why has not he played CB at the 2, Jamison at the 3, Blatche at the 4 with McGee backing up BTH? No way should Oberto be getting as much burn as he's getting. Flip has stuck with some players for too long and not utilizing his bench when he has to.
It's sad that he has to now that players are injured or suspended. Nice to see Young playing, but use him more! Where is McGuire? Less of Boykins please!
Coach Flip does not get a pass for what has been going on with this team. He is the coach and what he started with (communication) he has not stuck with.
Mindset change with the players and the coach!

Posted by: Doobie_Sparks | January 12, 2010 3:11 PM | Report abuse

@LarryInClintonMD,

Last time I checked you were the President of the Arenas fan club, so there goes your opinion. And Arenas and his attitude was and still is 70% of what is wrong with this team.

Saunders is a fine coach and exercising much more discipline than I imagined he would. But that's probably because he has never had a roster full of clowns like he has now.

What are you using as basis that Flip can't coach. Because he isn't starting Arenas and playing McGee or they fact that he has a very respectable w-l record and has taking 2 different teams to the conference finals? What has any player on this roster accomplished to warrant such an indictment on this coach?

Posted by: kevenjones | January 12, 2010 3:12 PM | Report abuse

Baltche is soft as a wet noodle and a pu**y as well. He wants points, go in the paint and get some rebounds like Flip said and dunk them back in. Instead, he hangs out 20 feet or more from the basket and whines like a little *itch. get rid of this guy already!

Posted by: nowhine | January 12, 2010 2:54 PM | Report abuse

sounds like AJ only difference AJ gets the green light.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | January 12, 2010 3:13 PM | Report abuse

Interesting tidbit on ESPN 980 is that Wiz management notified Arenas shortly after the gun incident that they had grounds to void his contract. Obviously, they have been looking at ways to get out from under his contract and start over with some cap space. The marriage between the Wiz and Arenas is over even if his suspension is lifted and the charges are minor. They clearly look at him as a bad influence on the team and his younger teammates.

The bigger question to me is why EG and other members of the front office continued to coddle Arenas and allow him to dictate personnel decisions & disrespect Eddie Jordan. I doubt Stevenson or Jamison would have been resigned without Arenas pushing for it. Ted Leonsis needs to clean house and that starts with EG and the front office.

Posted by: wizfan89 | January 12, 2010 3:13 PM | Report abuse

And Pau Gasol is not a franchise player. He is a all-star complimentary player. Similar to two player we have here as captains.

They are great when they have a superstar to compliment...but when you want THEM to be the superstar? It's not going to be a good situation.

Posted by: SDMDTSU | January 12, 2010 3:14 PM | Report abuse

I meant starting Blatche...not Arenas...

Posted by: kevenjones | January 12, 2010 3:15 PM | Report abuse

"Arenas has essentially terminated that albatross of a contract through sheer stupidity and the inability to control himself . . . "

Until it actually happens, that remains wishful thinking. Terminating a player's contract is exceedingly difficult. Latrell Sprewell physically assaulted and choked his coach during practice, in full view of the rest of the team and the Warriors failed in their attempt to void his contract. Unless Arenas gets tagged with multiple felonies and sent away for many years (unlikely), the Wizards won't have anywhere near the case the Warriors did. Sprewell represented a direct physical danger to one of their other employees. All Arenas did was bring a sh@tstorm of bad PR down on the team.

Posted by: kalo_rama | January 12, 2010 3:16 PM | Report abuse

I hope Miller can go tonight. If he is able, I think I would bring him off the bench, starting NY at the 2. That way Miller can come in at the 2 or 3, and hopefully be ready to hit his shot.

As a starter, he has worked really hard to get his teammates involved, sometimes passing up shots that he should take, that he can make. But maybe he's working too hard, given his injuries. Let him play off the bench as the Wizards' "assassin."

When Blatche gets his head screwed on right - IF he does - I agree that he adds a lot playing the 4, with Jamison at the 3 and Butler at the 2. That is a good lineup, with Foye and Haywood.

Posted by: zinger1 | January 12, 2010 3:16 PM | Report abuse

And when did Coach Jordan go away with what made him a success? He was fired after 10 games, with HAYWOOD out and making the playoffs the year before.

He was fired because he was not Ernie's guy. That's it and that's all. He knew Arenas was the problem and had no backing from Ernie, thus the mess we have now.

Damn Larry you are clueless.

Posted by: kevenjones | January 12, 2010 3:17 PM | Report abuse

"The bigger question to me is why EG and other members of the front office continued to coddle Arenas and allow him to dictate personnel decisions & disrespect Eddie Jordan."

Because Grunfeld didn't want Jordan and was looking for any excuse to get rid of him. A unsealable rift between the coach and the star player is a time honored reason to sack the coach. Ernie was just fanning the flames, waiting for the eruption.

Posted by: kalo_rama | January 12, 2010 3:18 PM | Report abuse

I don't think Saunders is lost and clueless at all. Echoing what a lot have already mentioned: based on what Saunders says and is trying to do, I can see why he is a 50 win coach.

The question is do the Wizards have a 50 win mindset? Not yet.

Posted by: cannontl | January 12, 2010 3:09 PM | Report abuse
i'm tired of all this fudging numbers man. First it was saying a guy who avg'd 19 and 8 is a 20 -10 guy. Call a guy who wins 50 games a 50 win coach. Flip mighta been MInny and DET's 50 win coach but here he's a 12 win coach so far. If and win he hits 50 here i'll give him his due, but right now, with this team, i don't think anyone should be holding up their resume as an alibi. A lot of people on this team have some accolades and good credentials. what none of them have (except OLDberto) is a championship. so put those 50 wins somewhere else Flip isn't showing us any of that this year.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | January 12, 2010 3:19 PM | Report abuse

Further,

This already is a much better team and Saunders will get them to the playoffs, probably 7 or 8th seed. They are playing much better defense and hopefully Miller can get healthy.

I read somewhere that we are scoring the same or slightly more with GA111 MIA. The also noted we can't play worse defense than when Arenas is on the floor..

So I look for the rest of the month to be positive. I bet they can go 6-5 the rest of the month..

Posted by: kevenjones | January 12, 2010 3:22 PM | Report abuse

based on what? scoring has never been the problem. did you see chris paul the other night?

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | January 12, 2010 3:24 PM | Report abuse

@SDMDTSU

Butler and Jamison should not be mentioned in the same sentence as Gasol. They are all-star imposters who made it to the show because of Arenas. Would you rather see Gasol on the Wiz right now or Jamison?
I'd guess most would take Gasol.

WRT franchise players, there's only three in the league right now: Kobe, LeBron and Wade. Duncan and Shaq are on the steep downside of their careers and can't carry a team anymore.

Posted by: 2020doc | January 12, 2010 3:29 PM | Report abuse

@lilhollywood10,

You are correct. Jamison is 20ppg and 8rpg, Not 20 and 10 for his career.

Maybe if he could grab those other 2 rebounds we would be ok. What you think?

Posted by: kevenjones | January 12, 2010 3:31 PM | Report abuse

"based on what? scoring has never been the problem. did you see chris paul the other night?"

Did you watch the game? We actually outplayed the Hornets in every category, except 3pt shooting. They shot like 75% from the 3pt line in the 1st half. Came down to NY's 2 turnover and I belive Foye had 1 as well. But the Wiz should've won that game..

I guess I just see a different game than you, Larry, and Divi3...

Posted by: kevenjones | January 12, 2010 3:34 PM | Report abuse

I can't believe anyone would defend Andre Blatche. I am working on being an old man yet suspect my body fat is lower than his and am fairly convinced my vertical is higher. I am hard pressed to recall a player of his size for whom it is literally a herculean effort to dunk a basketball.

Stands around in his Cheech and Chong haze and watches the game pass him by.

Larry in Clinton,
Let me try to appeal to the Blue in you. There is zero chance Dean Smith would ever have let a bum like this onto the NC campus, much less into a game. The guy has zero work ethic...he has been paid and is getting laid. What more is there? He has some meager talents but no heart. I don't give a Gilbert crap where he plays...freakin' bring some effort.

Gil is a head case but at least he understood this was a job that entailed some work. Good grief.

Posted by: The_Shadow_Knows | January 12, 2010 3:35 PM | Report abuse

"...he has been paid and is getting laid"

LOL (Freudian slip?)

Posted by: 2020doc | January 12, 2010 3:42 PM | Report abuse

I don't think Saunders is lost and clueless at all. Echoing what a lot have already mentioned: based on what Saunders says and is trying to do, I can see why he is a 50 win coach.

The question is do the Wizards have a 50 win mindset? Not yet.

Posted by: cannontl | January 12, 2010 3:09 PM | Report abuse
i'm tired of all this fudging numbers man. First it was saying a guy who avg'd 19 and 8 is a 20 -10 guy. Call a guy who wins 50 games a 50 win coach. Flip mighta been MInny and DET's 50 win coach but here he's a 12 win coach so far. If and win he hits 50 here i'll give him his due, but right now, with this team, i don't think anyone should be holding up their resume as an alibi. A lot of people on this team have some accolades and good credentials. what none of them have (except OLDberto) is a championship. so put those 50 wins somewhere else Flip isn't showing us any of that this year.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | January 12, 2010 3:19 PM

Sorry, but I'm not buying it. The problem (or problems) with this team is not Saunders, although as a coach he has to try to remake the team in his image.

This team is so dysfunctional and has so many distractions right now it is going to take a while.

Posted by: cannontl | January 12, 2010 3:44 PM | Report abuse

@kevenjones i'm not bagging on AJ's #s that was last year. I'm talking about Flip being called a 50 win coach, when he might not hit 50 wins with tha wiz til the end of next season. if you took the time to read the whole post you would understand that, especially since AJ isn't named (as Flip is)and there is only 1 sentence referencing the 20 and 8 guy vs the whole paragraphabout the 50 win coach.

in response to your other comment i will restate my earlier post, as your comment doesn't address anything i asked you.

1) you say the wiz will go 6-5 this month. i said based on what. (ie weak schedule, a lot of home games, players injured or returning anything to tell me why this team will now do what it hasn't done all year.

2)Did you see Chris Paul the other night? As long as we play teams with a pg taller than 5' 6" we are at a disadvantage with Earl in the lineup. CP was owning him on tha block.

i just wanted to know why you thought we'd be better than .500 this month back up your sh!t talk or stop talkin.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | January 12, 2010 3:46 PM | Report abuse

"The bigger question to me is why EG and other members of the front office continued to coddle Arenas and allow him to dictate personnel decisions & disrespect Eddie Jordan."

Because Grunfeld didn't want Jordan and was looking for any excuse to get rid of him. A unsealable rift between the coach and the star player is a time honored reason to sack the coach. Ernie was just fanning the flames, waiting for the eruption.

Posted by: kalo_rama | January 12, 2010 3:18 PM

Posted by: rnorris6 | January 12, 2010 3:47 PM | Report abuse

the comments shows that fans dont know a thing. Now you question flip after you wanted the previous two coaches fired. Now you fans think you are a better coach than flip saunders. I always say the only thing worse than DC sports is the fans. They are all fair weathered and think they know more than they actually do. If any of you were NBA coach worthy you would have a job in the league, but you aren't so you don't. Try being fans, not expert analyst and cheer for your teams instead of trying to be ESPN wannabe analyst.

Posted by: ged0386 | January 12, 2010 3:51 PM | Report abuse

kalo_rama You are right and EG is not like any other GM in the NBA because if you remember EG did not hire EJ Abe Pollin did so what is wrong with a GM wanting his own hand picked coach running the team NOTHING AT ALL and no one can judge a coach on part of a seson if they did that EJ would of been fired after his first seson here and we would of never see those playoff years that we did just my opinion

Posted by: rnorris6 | January 12, 2010 3:51 PM | Report abuse

And when did Coach Jordan go away with what made him a success? He was fired after 10 games, with HAYWOOD out and making the playoffs the year before.

He was fired because he was not Ernie's guy. That's it and that's all. He knew Arenas was the problem and had no backing from Ernie, thus the mess we have now.

The above is exactly right, which is why we need to be focusing less on individual player decisions and more on who's running this team. I continue to be shocked that there's no apparent inquiry from The Washington Post into the status of the ownership and the fate of Ernie Grunfeld. We don't even know who's approving all the trades we keep talking about.

Posted by: jweber1 | January 12, 2010 3:52 PM | Report abuse

No slip...just stating he has all he needs to be satiated. No accolades or championships needed there.

Posted by: The_Shadow_Knows | January 12, 2010 3:53 PM | Report abuse

the comments shows that fans dont know a thing. Now you question flip after you wanted the previous two coaches fired. Now you fans think you are a better coach than flip saunders. I always say the only thing worse than DC sports is the fans. They are all fair weathered and think they know more than they actually do. If any of you were NBA coach worthy you would have a job in the league, but you aren't so you don't. Try being fans, not expert analyst and cheer for your teams instead of trying to be ESPN wannabe analyst.

Posted by: ged0386 | January 12, 2010 3:51 PM | Report abuse

what if some of us never wanted flip? how are we "fairweathered"?

just because the last coach and interim coach were fired doesn't make the third coach the right guy.

I don't claim to be a better coach than Flip saunders, i would be foolish,however, to think a better coach isn't out there.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | January 12, 2010 3:58 PM | Report abuse

Butler and Jamison should not be mentioned in the same sentence as Gasol. They are all-star imposters who made it to the show because of Arenas. Would you rather see Gasol on the Wiz right now or Jamison? I'd guess most would take Gasol.

Honestly. What makes Gasol better? He has more of a typical post game and height. Nobody should build around Gasol or Jamison. They are complimentary players. Best served as a sidekick. I wouldn't doubt it they had both been to 2 all-star games or so...Gasol is soft just like Jamison though.

Posted by: SDMDTSU | January 12, 2010 3:58 PM | Report abuse

@lilhollywood10,

I'm saying they will go 6-5 because:

1. They have 8 home games.
2. In case you haven't noticed Gilbert is no longer with the team and the offense is flowing better.
3. They are playing better defense
4. They are a better team now.

Did I see Chris Paul?

In case your fool ass hasn't noticed Chris Paul does what he did to everyone. That's why he is one of the best, if not the best PG in the league.

I agree Boykins is a defensive liability but what's your point? If they play Boykins we can't win if the other team's PG is taller than 5-6? WTF does that have to do with anyting?

As far as Saunder's numbers, what you don't count the fact that he has won 50 games 6 times and 64 games once? I think that's a pretty good indicator that the man can coach. Again, what you think?

Posted by: kevenjones | January 12, 2010 4:00 PM | Report abuse

If we can ask Blatche to play the 5 and shut his mouth and rebound to and create his own offense, why in the hell can't we ask Jamison to play the three and continue to do what he does best from the three, whilst this allows Blatche to play the four, a position that everyone knows is best for him.

And by doing this it has indications that this approach is better for the Team than asking Blatche to play the five.

Does anyhow believe there is any evidence that by asking Blatche to play the 5 adds anything to our Team?

Speak Now!!!

LarryInClintonMD.

I am about winning, doing what it takes to win and playing Blatche at the 5 ain't it, but playing him at the 4 with Jamison at the three seems to be the better approach.

What is wrong with that approach? Oh, I guess since Flip doesn't want to use it, he must be right.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | January 12, 2010 4:01 PM | Report abuse

I don't think there's anything Grunfeld can say with a straight face to dissociate himself from this hot mess of a team. He's outta here when the season is over.

Posted by: Firuz1 | January 12, 2010 4:07 PM | Report abuse

I posted a comment in December stating that the Wizards need to get rid of Arenas and Butler for a solid big man (preferably Chris Kaman, Clippers) and a draft choice. Well, phase I is complete. Arenas is gone and he did all the work himself. I can see a difference already in the team. They seem to play with urgency.

Now, a package deal of Butler, Stevenson and Crittenton for Kaman and a draft choice should put this franchise on the map.

I support what Coach Saunders is doing. He realizes that the "cancer" has been extracted from his team and now he can get to the business of winning. He understands that they're three things needed to win at any level: Desire, Discipline and Commitment. He'll have them turned around shortly.

Good job Coach Saunders, I'm behind you 1000%!!!

Posted by: carterm1 | January 12, 2010 4:08 PM | Report abuse

I never did agree with the way EG coddled Arenas and allowed him to embarass and undercut the coaching staff. Whether EG hired EJ or not, it is not the way to run an organization.

And now the GA sh@t is rubbing off on EG, at least a little. I guess what goes around comes around.

Posted by: cannontl | January 12, 2010 4:08 PM | Report abuse

Sorry, but I'm not buying it. The problem (or problems) with this team is not Saunders, although as a coach he has to try to remake the team in his image.

This team is so dysfunctional and has so many distractions right now it is going to take a while.

Posted by: cannontl | January 12, 2010 3:44 PM | Report abuse

at the beginning of this season all we heard about was this championship contender ernie had built over the summer. how we finally got a coach who could get us over the hump,hell we could win 50 games. now that it's all crashing down you want to absolve flip. we were all gassed up after the hometown boys took it to dallas in dallas to open the season. but nothing has materialized, yet. Can flip turn it around and make the playoffs? by the grace of God, sure they are like 3 games back of the 8 spot. but that's not what we were sold on, is it? we were sold on championship contender,win now,50 wins. We were told we couldn't pursue draft picks and FAs because Polin was dying and wanted to see his team win a championship before he passed. This season has to be seen as a disappointment to everyone involved and unfortunately the coach is in that group. Tell me Flip is doing a bteer job than Zorn

AB= Laron Landry- physically talented,playing out of position

CB= ARE vet with deteriorating skills, thinks he's a number 1 when he's really a number 2 or 3

Gil= CP nuff said

NY= DT11 always in or around the coach's doghouse. Balls outrageous when he gets his shot.

i could go on

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | January 12, 2010 4:09 PM | Report abuse

I didnt watch Flip that much in Minny, and saw him coach a pre-made championship squad in detroit.

What I see here is that he doesnt utilize matchups or the talent the team has. Boykins is pretty much the WORST PLAYER on the team, yet he has the ball in his hands how many mins a game? There's no explanation for that.

AB excelled at the 4 spot, but instead of giving JM 12mins at 5 and letting AB spell AJ....we get 40mins a night from AJ who is dog tired after about 33.

Just roll with the starters and cross your fingers....looks shoddy to me.

and some signs point to him trying to be a hard-a&& by dogging the younger guys while the vets have little accountability.

Posted by: divi3 | January 12, 2010 4:13 PM | Report abuse

Blatche doesn't play 1,2,3,4, or 5 for me until he shows me some work ethic and a little maturity. Show up and play hard. That's the bottom line. It's not like he's being asked to play point guard.

Posted by: sonny2 | January 12, 2010 4:15 PM | Report abuse

And when did Coach Jordan go away with what made him a success? He was fired after 10 games, with HAYWOOD out and making the playoffs the year before.

He was fired because he was not Ernie's guy. That's it and that's all. He knew Arenas was the problem and had no backing from Ernie, thus the mess we have now.

Damn Larry you are clueless.

Posted by: kevenjones | January 12, 2010 3:17 PM

Think back Kevenjones, he went away from it right after the AllStar break. That year Eddie changed focus to defense and he and Gilbert started to quarrel about the direction of the Team. It was his downfall and it is what gave EG the opening to fire him.

Some people don't believe in fate, but I do. That decision to change the focus of the Team after the Allstar break determined his fate and the Teams.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | January 12, 2010 4:16 PM | Report abuse

How old in Blatche? The guy has the body of a 45 year old man, no wait a minute..I am 45 and have a better body. When I was 25 I could easily thrown down a two hand slam at 6'4". Blatche should sell Geritol or something. He is what 24? 6'10' and gets winded and beat on defense after two runs or so up and down the court....Maybe THATS why his minutes are cut perhaps?

Posted by: nowhine | January 12, 2010 4:17 PM | Report abuse

"Honestly. What makes Gasol better? He has more of a typical post game and height. "

You basically answered your own question.

Posted by: kalo_rama | January 12, 2010 4:17 PM | Report abuse

"Now, a package deal of Butler, Stevenson and Crittenton for Kaman and a draft choice should put this franchise on the map"

Why dont we just trade Critt straight up for Lebron instead?

Posted by: divi3 | January 12, 2010 4:18 PM | Report abuse

Larry,
Blatche is not going to play in front of Jamison or Butler and Butler cannot play the 2. Flip does not want to play McGee now (I sorely disagree with this) and does not like Oberto at the 5 so it is Blatche.

How about Blatche just play hard regardless of what "position" he is playing? Nahhh...guessing that would be in the hard to do pile. Would almost be like earning money...perish the thought.

Posted by: The_Shadow_Knows | January 12, 2010 4:19 PM | Report abuse

As far as Saunder's numbers, what you don't count the fact that he has won 50 games 6 times and 64 games once? I think that's a pretty good indicator that the man can coach. Again, what you think?

Posted by: kevenjones | January 12, 2010 4:00 PM | Report abuse

do you count our current record and the way the team has played the entire season as any sort of indicator? i ask because we are not detroit, we are not minnesota. those wins and conf champ games don't ount for us and mean nothing to me. Win in DC get props in DC.

the wiz are 6-10 at home this year and 6-13 on the road. they were .500 for the month of dec, however dec was gil's best month so far this season with only 1 single digit game and two games under 20 that month.other than that the wiz were 3-9 over 12 gms in november and 2-1 ove 3 games in october. but good luck with that. i hope the win'em all.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | January 12, 2010 4:19 PM | Report abuse

"Blatche is not going to play in front of Jamison or Butler and Butler cannot play the 2."

Is there a rule CB has to start? NY can ball the 2 for reals!


Posted by: divi3 | January 12, 2010 4:22 PM | Report abuse

How old in Blatche? The guy has the body of a 45 year old man, no wait a minute..I am 45 and have a better body. When I was 25 I could easily thrown down a two hand slam at 6'4". Blatche should sell Geritol or something. He is what 24? 6'10' and gets winded and beat on defense after two runs or so up and down the court....Maybe THATS why his minutes are cut perhaps?

Posted by: nowhine | January 12, 2010 4:17 PM | Report abuse
can't dipute that

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | January 12, 2010 4:23 PM | Report abuse

dispute

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | January 12, 2010 4:24 PM | Report abuse

Hey Flip, this is when you either run the Singletary tape, or repeat his message to the your team (if team is what you can call it.)

Mike Singletary: No, no, you don't want me to go much further. Go ahead, ask your questions.

Reporter: What happened between you and Vernon Davis?

Mike Singletary: Vernon... It was something that I told everybody at the very beginning of the week. I would not tolerate players that think it's about them when it's about the team.

And we cannot make... we cannot make decisions that cost the team. And then come off the sideline and it's non-chalant. No. You know what? This is how I believe, OK? I'm from the old school.

I believe this: I would rather play with 10 people and get penalized all the way until we've got to do something else. Rather than play with 11 when I know that right now that person is not sold out to be a part of this team. It is more about them than it is about the team.

Cannot play with them. Cannot win with them. Cannot coach with them. Can't do it. I want winners. I want people that want to win.

Posted by: bkhoward1 | January 12, 2010 4:24 PM | Report abuse

@lilhollywood10,

My point is Flip Saunders is a more than capable coach. He has a bad roster that 3 games ago got better. Hopefully, Miller can get healthy and we will be ok.

So I look at our record and then I look at our roster and it all makes perfect sense. How can you blame any of this on Coach Saunders. It's players and the mentality of the players here that's the issue...

But again everyting is lookinig up IMO...

Posted by: kevenjones | January 12, 2010 4:27 PM | Report abuse

How about Blatche just play hard regardless of what "position" he is playing? Nahhh...guessing that would be in the hard to do pile. Would almost be like earning money...perish the thought.

Posted by: The_Shadow_Knows | January 12, 2010 4:19 PM | Report abuse

if AB just showed up at your Gym you might automatically put him at the C and say "eff it he's the tallest guy on the floor he's my C." But really, don't you want to put a guy in a position to succeed. AB has very good passing ability, a skill that would be rendered useless if he were to simply wait on the block for offensive rebs. He is a decent ballhandler and has a very decent jumper if he gets it going. And the worst thing is yall act like you didn't see AB ballin while AJ was out. Just because he's 7 feet doesn't mean he's a center. i remember Jared Jeffries( a certified bum) starting as a 6'11" 2 guard for us in the past.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | January 12, 2010 4:33 PM | Report abuse

Is there a rule CB has to start? NY can ball the 2 for reals!

Posted by: divi3 | January 12, 2010 4:22 PM | Report abuse

No and I actually believe NY may be salvagable, he seems to at least understand the old world is passing away and that he needs to and is playing with more consistency.

Posted by: The_Shadow_Knows | January 12, 2010 4:34 PM | Report abuse

Larry in Clinton,
Let me try to appeal to the Blue in you. There is zero chance Dean Smith would ever have let a bum like this onto the NC campus, much less into a game. The guy has zero work ethic...he has been paid and is getting laid. What more is there? He has some meager talents but no heart. I don't give a Gilbert crap where he plays...freakin' bring some effort.

Gil is a head case but at least he understood this was a job that entailed some work. Good grief.

Posted by: The_Shadow_Knows |

What you have described above is why I keep saying that coaching comes first and it means everything.

I haven't seen any evidence that Flip Saunders is holding his Team accountable for what really wins.

Could care less about his resume. He hasn't accomplished anything here and to blame all this garbage on the players is ludicrous.

Dean Smith would not have Blatche trying to play the 5. He would not have allowed Arenas to have the role of running the Team. Boykins role would be major minor. I could go on and on.

The Carolina Blue in me see's blatant coaching flaws with this team that have translated to sorry player results on the floor.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | January 12, 2010 4:36 PM | Report abuse

AB= Laron Landry- physically talented,playing out of position

CB= ARE vet with deteriorating skills, thinks he's a number 1 when he's really a number 2 or 3

Gil= CP nuff said

NY= DT11 always in or around the coach's doghouse. Balls outrageous when he gets his shot.

i could go on

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | January 12, 2010 4:09 PM

I don't know if I would be so quick to defend AB and NY.

We have been waiting for years for AB to turn a corner and it usually turns out in the end to be the same old same old.

At least under Saunders, though, AB seems to have a regular spot in the rotation. No other coach has gaven him that for long.

Gil = CP - not sure about that either. Gil never had quite the effect on a game that a Jason Kidd had in his prime or Steve Nash, although he (Gil) scored a lot more.

If I had to keep one person from this organization and throw the rest away, I think would keep Saunders and build a team around what he wants.

I have been a long time coming to this but I think the major problem with this team (and organization) is EG and the players he has chosen and the way he has run things.

It will be interesting to see what Leonsis does when and if he becomes the owner.

Posted by: cannontl | January 12, 2010 4:39 PM | Report abuse

@lilhollywood10,

My point is Flip Saunders is a more than capable coach. He has a bad roster that 3 games ago got better. Hopefully, Miller can get healthy and we will be ok.

So I look at our record and then I look at our roster and it all makes perfect sense. How can you blame any of this on Coach Saunders. It's players and the mentality of the players here that's the issue...

But again everyting is lookinig up IMO...

Posted by: kevenjones | January 12, 2010 4:27 PM | Report abuse

because at the beginning of the season Flip and Ernie touted this team as a championship contender despite coming off of 19 wins the previous season. If this turnaround were to occur, one would logically attribute it's success to the head coach. Aside from MM and Foye he was the only new face from a 19 win campaign. Look, if we were first in the east right now, all fingers would point to flip. Which is why the coach with the best record at the allstar break gets to coach the game even if none of his players make the team (by vote). It's a players league, but good coaches get their due. Right now Flip doesn't deserve to be praised he and his team deserve to be held accoutable.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | January 12, 2010 4:40 PM | Report abuse

@lilhollywood10,

Wrong again. Dray averages 2 TO's per game. Ball handling ain't his specialty.

Posted by: kevenjones | January 12, 2010 4:40 PM | Report abuse

I know some may say that EG was hampered by Abe Pollin. That could be possible.

Posted by: cannontl | January 12, 2010 4:41 PM | Report abuse

Coaching may be everything . . . in college. The NBA is not college. The NBA is a players league and has been since before Rad Auerbach hung up his whistle. Anyone who doesn't understand this hasn't been watching the same NBA as the rest of the world.

Posted by: kalo_rama | January 12, 2010 4:41 PM | Report abuse

was there a flip saunders dean smith comparison

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | January 12, 2010 4:42 PM | Report abuse

lilhollywood10,
Yeah, I get that. We all have specific skills that make us more or less suitable for certain jobs. That said, he is paid to play basketball and if the coach sends him into the game he should bring effort every time irregardless if it is his ideal role.

Ask not what your country can do for you sort of thing....

Posted by: The_Shadow_Knows | January 12, 2010 4:43 PM | Report abuse

"AB has very good passing ability, a skill that would be rendered useless if he were to simply wait on the block for offensive rebs."

No, his passing ability is rendered useless by his insistence on flourish and fanciness rather than just making basic passes, which is why he has a history of knocking the beer cups from the hands of the folks in the VIP seats.

Posted by: kalo_rama | January 12, 2010 4:44 PM | Report abuse

@lilhollywood10,

Wrong yet again, Haywood was missing from the 19 win team. Caron missed 14 games, heck everyone was injured execpt Jamison who I think played 80 games.

C'mon man...

Posted by: kevenjones | January 12, 2010 4:45 PM | Report abuse

>> at the beginning of the season Flip and Ernie touted this team as a championship contender despite coming off of 19 wins the previous season.

Exactly. EG has been saying all along this team was a title contender simply as it was just as long as the
"Big 3" were healthy. And the only move he made was to bring in Foye and Miller. That was it. That was his big plan.

Well the 3 were healthy and how did that pan out. This is all on EG with a heavy dose of non-contribution and
non-leadership from Flipper. Eddie Tap could and did just was well with less.

Posted by: dovelevine | January 12, 2010 4:46 PM | Report abuse

The BUZzards got rid of one Dumber than dirt stiff in Kwame Brown..and dammmmmed if they didn't go ahead and bring another one in here.... The CURSE of Wes Unseld (GM) will never die.......

Posted by: FletcherChristian1 | January 12, 2010 4:46 PM | Report abuse

who cares?? ... doesn't matter what these players do... David Stern controls the action in the NBA... sure you can win a few games here & there but unless your on Stern's list, your not going anywhere... why do you think he suspended Gil for a year & Jackson for 7 games.... cause Jackson kissed his rear & Gil didn't.... saying your sorry, doesn't change the fact that you SHOT a GUN 5 TIMES in PUBLIC!!! F David Stern...

Posted by: tony325 | January 12, 2010 4:49 PM | Report abuse

Why dont we just trade Critt straight up for Lebron instead?

Posted by: divi3 | January 12, 2010 4:18 PM

because jebron is a fugly duoche who also doesn't win. in fact, i hope we do get out of the Agent 0 contract so we can sign Lebron next summer and then bench his bytch ass for seven years during the prime of his career.

Posted by: prescrunk | January 12, 2010 4:51 PM | Report abuse

@tony325,

What Gil did and what Jackson did is not the same thing. For one, Jackson's actions didn't occur on nba time or property, and let's not even talk about what Gil did after the fact...

Posted by: kevenjones | January 12, 2010 4:51 PM | Report abuse

@lilhollywood10,

Wrong again. Dray averages 2 TO's per game. Ball handling ain't his specialty.

Posted by: kevenjones | January 12, 2010 4:40 PM | Report abuse
yikes 2 whole Tos a game. you are right about one thing ballhandling isn't his specialty( though it may be yours). he's a horrible ballhandler. BTW do you know the other terrible ballhandlers in the league. I mean Steve nash is awful with his 4/gm or Monta Ellis and his 4.2/gm, deron williams 3.4/gm dwade 3.2 and Tha Kang with 3.5 tos per game. all notoriously poor ballhandlers.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | January 12, 2010 5:02 PM | Report abuse

@lilhollywood10,

Wrong yet again, Haywood was missing from the 19 win team. Caron missed 14 games, heck everyone was injured execpt Jamison who I think played 80 games.

C'mon man...

Posted by: kevenjones | January 12, 2010 4:45 PM | Report abuse
are you sure Haywood didn't play last year? Check your facts scrote.

caron missing 14 of 82 games, isn't that more like saying he played in 68 games?

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | January 12, 2010 5:04 PM | Report abuse

Dean Smith would not have Blatche trying to play the 5.

LarryInClintonMD

Larry,
You are right...Dean Smith would have said, "Son, you cannot even run up and down the court without becoming exhausted. You are in no condition to even be trying to play this game, we don't want to see anything bad happen to you. Why don't you look into the cheering squad? They don't need to run nearly so much. Good luck to you."

Posted by: The_Shadow_Knows | January 12, 2010 5:05 PM | Report abuse

"BTW do you know the other terrible ballhandlers in the league. I mean Steve nash is awful with his 4/gm or Monta Ellis and his 4.2/gm, deron williams 3.4/gm dwade 3.2 and Tha Kang with 3.5 tos per game. all notoriously poor ballhandlers.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | January 12, 2010 5:02 PM | Report abuse"

I crown this post King of the Straw Men!!!

Posted by: kalo_rama | January 12, 2010 5:07 PM | Report abuse

Dean Smith would not have Blatche trying to play the 5.

LarryInClintonMD

Larry,
You are right...Dean Smith would have said, "Son, you cannot even run up and down the court without becoming exhausted. You are in no condition to even be trying to play this game, we don't want to see anything bad happen to you. Why don't you look into the cheering squad? They don't need to run nearly so much. Good luck to you."

Posted by: The_Shadow_Knows | January 12, 2010 5:05 PM | Report abuse


if dean gave him a scholly he woulda worked him into shape and got four years outta him.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | January 12, 2010 5:08 PM | Report abuse

it's wishful thinking (imho) to believe the team is somehow better with arenas gone. Regardless of how bad a leader he was, where he crapped, etc etc....he getting more and more productive and was one of the positives on this awful team. Yes, he cost us a few this year, but he won some too. And the fg%, pts, assist were all headed up while the TOs were going down.

He's not on the floor or team anymore, yet we see whining about "getting mine" and a complete lack of ball movement while Flip's buddy Earl pounds the ball into the floor.

The heartening thing is the team doesnt look any worse with Gil gone, pretty much the same- keep it close and then lose in a consistent fashion that makes you realize they were never REALLY in it.

Posted by: divi3 | January 12, 2010 5:08 PM | Report abuse

enlighten me

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | January 12, 2010 5:11 PM | Report abuse

"Frankly, I think this is refreshing and long overdue."

And years too late. :(

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | January 12, 2010 5:12 PM | Report abuse

@lilhollywood,

All the players you mention handle the ball primarily for there respective teams.

I'm about to stop trying to make you see the light, because I'm seriously starting to think you are just plain stupid.

All the guys you mentioned probably avg 35+ minutes per game.

For Blatche to average 2 To's with 23 mpg coupled with him not being a PG is a problem.

You just compared a 5/4 to a group of PGs

Posted by: kevenjones | January 12, 2010 5:13 PM | Report abuse

if dean gave him a scholly

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | January 12, 2010 5:08 PM | Report abuse

Oh yeah! That would have happened. Blatche is just the kind of thoroughbred that Dean was always looking for. I can hear him now…”we stick this kid in a sauna for a few months and break him out before the tournament! “ Almost spit my coffee on monitor. Hilarious.

Posted by: The_Shadow_Knows | January 12, 2010 5:14 PM | Report abuse

yikes 2 whole Tos a game. you are right about one thing ballhandling isn't his specialty( though it may be yours). he's a horrible ballhandler. BTW do you know the other terrible ballhandlers in the league. I mean Steve nash is awful with his 4/gm or Monta Ellis and his 4.2/gm, deron williams 3.4/gm dwade 3.2 and Tha Kang with 3.5 tos per game. all notoriously poor ballhandlers.

Come on hollywood...you're not serious are you? Comparing PG's and LeBron who dominates the ball...to Andray Blatche?

Posted by: SDMDTSU | January 12, 2010 5:15 PM | Report abuse

keven jones, I pretty much agree with all your post accept that we will win X amount of our next 10 games and we are a playoff 8 seed.
If you really love the wiz it is time to blow it up, when your highest player is delusional to a fault that has carried over to the rest of the team. When both of your captains requested to be traded. Now is the time. Carron best is behind him and Antawn is to the point, on a playoff team he comes off the bench, defense is dreadful and shoots to many jumpers. Ladies and Gents know is the time. Trade Carron to home to mil.bucks for Redd and a first throw in DS and AB. Trade Antawn to grizz. they are not going to pay Rudy Gay any way.

Posted by: dsquare | January 12, 2010 5:17 PM | Report abuse

@divi3,

Yeah it is hard to believe this team is better without Gil, because Gil is the most talented player on the team. But that's where it stops.

Have you not noticed the distractions he has caused? You think this is good for a basketball team? He just happended to go overboard this time, but this didn't just stop. He has fostered a romper room mentality among the younger players.

I guess the record will speak for itself, so let's just watch how it plays out.

I'm willing to bet they will not be any worse after all is said and done and to me that's the worst case scenario. But I think they can and will win more without Arenas.

Posted by: kevenjones | January 12, 2010 5:18 PM | Report abuse

you mentioned a 2 to per game avg as your only indication of poor ballhandling. i gave you examples of players who avg more than 2 Tos per game. Had you mentioned all of the other factors in your previous statement, mine mighta been different. BTW what teams do WADE and THA Kang play point for? last time i checked wade was a 2/3 and bron was a 2/3/4.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | January 12, 2010 5:18 PM | Report abuse

Arlington, Va.: Will Arenas now be forever remembered as the dude who pooped in his teammate's shoe? Is that worse in some ways than bringing guns to the locker room? Wilbon says this sort of thing happens all the time (the poop, not the guns) and that baseball players are a whole lot worse. Kinda makes me glad I don't spend time in locker rooms. Why do these guys lack maturity so much?

Is it because they get paid too much money to play a game? Is it some sort of machismo thing? Please tell me my DC United players don't do things like this to each other.

Dan Steinberg: Poop in each other's shoes? I'm guessing the DCU guys don't, but I'm guessing they've done ridiculously immature things to each other that you'd rather not know about. Gilbert just has a gift for elevating "ridiculous" to "ludicrous."

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | January 12, 2010 5:20 PM | Report abuse

@dsquare,

Naw, I agree blow it up. But I'm just saying it essentially is a new team now. Not that more changes need to come, but you have to be encouraged with the way the team has responded.

Posted by: kevenjones | January 12, 2010 5:22 PM | Report abuse

Also who knows we may end-up with John Wall.

Posted by: dsquare | January 12, 2010 5:22 PM | Report abuse

Also who knows we may end-up with John Wall.

Posted by: dsquare | January 12, 2010 5:22 PM | Report abuse

Come on hollywood...you're not serious are you? Comparing PG's and LeBron who dominates the ball...to Andray Blatche?

Posted by: SDMDTSU | January 12, 2010 5:15 PM | Report abuse
i would never compare these guys in a serious conversation. But i think you should look at the qualifying statement i responded to. Homeboy said that 2 turnover per game makes a player a poor ballhandler. he did not specify position,playing time,size etc. he said slim avgs 2 TOs per game and that makes him a poor ball handler. i just mentioned several players who avg more than 2 tos per game. NO AB is not the best ballhandler on the team, probably in not the top 5 of ballhandlers on the team. But is he decent ( which was my original statment a decent ballhandler and passer) yes he's a decent ball handler and passer.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | January 12, 2010 5:23 PM | Report abuse

@SDMDTSU ,

Damn man I was trying to bait lilhollywood10's dumb ass. I was waiting for him to say "lebron's not a PG".LOL

SDMDTSU, I was tryna get a final laugh before the game. LOL

Posted by: kevenjones | January 12, 2010 5:24 PM | Report abuse

2)Did you see Chris Paul the other night? As long as we play teams with a pg taller than 5' 6" we are at a disadvantage with Earl in the lineup. CP was owning him on tha block.

Hollywood - not disagreeing with you but in all fairness...CP owns just about every pg.

Posted by: Blurred | January 12, 2010 5:25 PM | Report abuse

Who was the person here who tried to argue with me about Portis not being a slacker?

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"That's the only disappointment that I'll have. The fact that I couldn't persuade Clinton to do it a different way," Mitchell said Monday. "I want Clinton to be the best back in the league. But in order for that to happen, you have to prepare for it. But I don't know if that's what Clinton wants to do."

"Asked if Portis's practice habits and offseason conditioning have held him back, Mitchell said: "That's a slam dunk. Clinton could've worked harder." "

"He's got to do that," Mitchell continued, "and [owner Daniel Snyder] has to understand that that's what has to be done. In order for the Redskins to be successful, that's what Clinton has to do. He has to change the way he's done things in the past in order for them to be successful as a team."

"He does have some growing to do as far as his approach to practice, preparation, conditioning, being able to work through injuries during practice -- all of those things, at least when I was there," said Byner, now the Tennessee Titans' running backs coach. "I knew him as a guy who needed to have a different approach to the game. . . . Everybody should be held, everybody should hold themselves, to a certain standard. You get a lot of people who don't, you also need to understand how that dynamic affects the entire picture, not just the individual."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/01/11/AR2010011103650.html

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | January 12, 2010 5:26 PM | Report abuse

dsquare if we can get Redd,Gay, and a first for caron ds and AB make it happen.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | January 12, 2010 5:26 PM | Report abuse

The day has come that I agree with DC man88. Watch out because hell is about to freezeee. LMAO

Posted by: dsquare | January 12, 2010 5:27 PM | Report abuse

@ lilhollywood10 ,

Look, that's partly Blatche's problem. He want's to handle the ball and be a guard. Yes he can make a decent pass, but too often he turns the ball over trying to be pistol pete instead of making the fundamental simple pass. He does not handle the ball well enough to think @ 6-11 he is a perimeter player..But he is stuck.

Posted by: kevenjones | January 12, 2010 5:28 PM | Report abuse

espn-Daily Dime..Washington, which league executives believe is in cost-cutting mode after the Gilbert Arenas disaster, could have McGrady for a deal featuring Caron Butler and some expiring contracts, perhaps Mike Miller and Randy Foye.

Posted by: ptp23 | January 12, 2010 5:30 PM | Report abuse

John Stockton was one of the worst ballhandlers ever. He averaged about just under three TOs per game. Keep that guy away from my team. ;-)

Posted by: Firuz1 | January 12, 2010 5:35 PM | Report abuse

Yea right they suspended you for no reason with all the negative pr right now. What a moron.

Posted by: rockbroker | January 12, 2010 5:35 PM | Report abuse

WTF?

AB was not asking for "shots." He was asking for ONE D@MN SHOT!

Look at the box score.

MeTawn took 21 shots.

Caron took 13 shots.

Foye took 17 shots.

NY took 10 shots.

Anybody ever heard of establishing an inside game?

Anybody ever heard of rewarding your big man?

http://scores.espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=300110027

Once again also, another issue with the training/medical staff.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | January 12, 2010 5:35 PM | Report abuse

@ lilhollywood10 ,

Look, that's partly Blatche's problem. He want's to handle the ball and be a guard. Yes he can make a decent pass, but too often he turns the ball over trying to be pistol pete instead of making the fundamental simple pass. He does not handle the ball well enough to think @ 6-11 he is a perimeter player..But he is stuck.

Posted by: kevenjones | January 12, 2010 5:28 PM | Report abuse

understood, however he was a young guy tring to get in where he fit in. He used to foolishly try to go coast to coast because he wanted to be in the play. It's not their fault they're so darn good, but AJ and CB rarely look for others with the extra pass and especially guys under 25. I don't see as much Dray pounding the rock as i do from other guys. The point i keep coming back to is that he has other things to offer than to be a brenden haywood clone. It may frustrate him to be asked to do so, because unlike Brenden AB actually has confidence in his ability offensively. It doesn't sit well with him that he get put out there at the 5 to be the designated rebounder. But we knew when we got him, if not then definitely before today that AB was a finesse big. He'd rather shoot than bang rather reverse than dunk. Like i said earlier AJ without the green light. it's prolly just really getting to him now that his numbers are ass after starting out so strong.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | January 12, 2010 5:36 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | January 12, 2010 5:35 PM | Report abuse

reward the big man? did you hear flip "get on tha block get an offensive reb and get your own bucket....... in fact i'll draw up this play for AJ and you can rebound that brick"

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | January 12, 2010 5:40 PM | Report abuse

"trade Carron to home to mil.bucks for Redd"

redd blew his knee out yet again

Posted by: divi3 | January 12, 2010 5:43 PM | Report abuse

"Who was the person here who tried to argue with me about Portis not being a slacker?"

Was that article about Clinton Portis or John Riggins?

Posted by: divi3 | January 12, 2010 5:44 PM | Report abuse

"I have been saying this ALL along...the problem is Grunsfeld. He has let problems go on for far too long and they all center around letting the star players get their way.

Dumpsfeld? GONE!

Posted by: cbmuzik | January 12, 2010 2:01 PM | Report abuse "

I've been calling out Grunfeld for the longest time.

Nobody needs to look at anything more than who are the dudes on this roster, who is the coach, what is the record, how the draft picks are doing, how the FA's are doing, and which dudes are out of control and how they have been dealt with.

Beyond EG, MeTawn and Caron need to answer why they let the Gilby debacle spiral out of control, as they are the captains.

If they can't enforce the rules in the locker room and command respect, then someone else needs to step up.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | January 12, 2010 5:45 PM | Report abuse

"Was that article about Clinton Portis or John Riggins?

Posted by: divi3 | January 12, 2010 5:44 PM | Report abuse "

Is Riggo still on the team?

Did Riggo's formula work, or is CP's working?

Don't ask dumb questions.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | January 12, 2010 5:47 PM | Report abuse


The buck up has begun. More to follow.

Posted by: tslats | January 12, 2010 5:47 PM | Report abuse

"reward the big man? did you hear flip "get on tha block get an offensive reb and get your own bucket....... in fact i'll draw up this play for AJ and you can rebound that brick"

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | January 12, 2010 5:40 PM | Report abuse "

Dude did get two blocks in the short time that he was in the game.

Give the dude at least one shot.....he had zero attempts.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | January 12, 2010 5:48 PM | Report abuse

"trade Carron to home to mil.bucks for Redd"

redd blew his knee out yet again

Posted by: divi3 | January 12, 2010 5:43 PM | Report abuse

I ain't mad at him. At least HE has sense enough not to put his guaranteed mega-bucks contract in jeopardy by doing something foolish.

Posted by: Firuz1 | January 12, 2010 5:50 PM | Report abuse

If I had to keep one person from this organization and throw the rest away, I think would keep Saunders and build a team around what he wants.

I have been a long time coming to this but I think the major problem with this team (and organization) is EG and the players he has chosen and the way he has run things.

It will be interesting to see what Leonsis does when and if he becomes the owner.

Posted by: cannontl | January 12, 2010 4:39 PM

I made this comment early back in the season when the trade these bums we got as a team so Flip can get on with the type of players he needs to put a winner on the floor.

CHECK THIS OUT. IF IT IS APPARENT NOW THAT THESE PLAYERS ARE NOT THE RIGHT ONES FOR FLIPS REQUIREMENTS THEN GUESS WHAT YOU SMARTEES...

The Washington Wizards hired the "Wrong Coach".

Trade everbody and keep Flip, My Goodness.

Boy that is really bright.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | January 12, 2010 5:52 PM | Report abuse

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If I had to keep one person from this organization and throw the rest away, I think would keep Saunders and build a team around what he wants.

I have been a long time coming to this but I think the major problem with this team (and organization) is EG and the players he has chosen and the way he has run things.

It will be interesting to see what Leonsis does when and if he becomes the owner.

Posted by: cannontl | January 12, 2010 4:39 PM

I made this comment early back in the season when the trade these bums we got as a team so Flip can get on with the type of players he needs to put a winner on the floor.

CHECK THIS OUT. IF IT IS APPARENT NOW THAT THESE PLAYERS ARE NOT THE RIGHT ONES FOR FLIPS REQUIREMENTS THEN GUESS WHAT YOU SMARTEES...

The Washington Wizards hired the "Wrong Coach".

Trade everbody and keep Flip, My Goodness.

Boy that is really bright.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | January 12, 2010 5:52 PM | Report abuse "

LMFAO!

Never have I heard of a team being built around coach starting with getting rid of everyone.

The coach's job is to get the max output out of a player based on that individual's strengths, while covering for his weaknesses.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | January 12, 2010 5:54 PM | Report abuse

Here we go again.
Let me get this straight. Blatche feels like he's Flip's whipping boy and he's getting sick and tired of it? Did I get that right?
I bet there's more to this story than meets the eye. My guess is Flip says one thing and the players (i.e., vets) do another with little to no repercussions. Just my guess.

Posted by: ArmChairQB | January 12, 2010 5:56 PM | Report abuse

Did Riggo's formula work, or is CP's working?

Don't ask dumb questions.

Posted by: DC_MAN88

you're a fool if you think Portis is/was the problem with the Redskins.

Posted by: divi3 | January 12, 2010 5:59 PM | Report abuse

because jebron is a fugly duoche who also doesn't win. in fact, i hope we do get out of the Agent 0 contract so we can sign Lebron next summer and then bench his bytch ass for seven years during the prime of his career.

Posted by: prescrunk | January 12, 2010 4:51 PM | Report abuse


!!

I would buy season tix just to go and heckle LeCrabDribble on the bench at every home game

Posted by: p1funk | January 12, 2010 6:21 PM | Report abuse

I stand by what I posted.

What I am trying to say is, is that Flip makes more sense than anybody in the organization right now.

If they will commit to playing defense and running the offense the way he wants, then they can be more successful even with the players they currently have.

Posted by: cannontl | January 12, 2010 6:31 PM | Report abuse

so nobodies happy with anything about the wiz. they suck. then everybody has all these great trade scenarios. if the wiz suck so much, who would want their $h%t? I know in a fantasy world we can all dream. the reality is what you have now will probably be it...go watch the game...cringe or cheer it is your WASHINGTON WIZARDS!!!!!!! Yeah boiiie...for some of you anyway...

Posted by: joerutgens72 | January 12, 2010 6:38 PM | Report abuse

"you're a fool if you think Portis is/was the problem with the Redskins.

Posted by: divi3 | January 12, 2010 5:59 PM | Report abuse "

CP isn't the only problem....he's one of the problems.

Most would agree including Sellers, Campbell, Stump, and Earnest.

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"He does have some growing to do as far as his approach to practice, preparation, conditioning, being able to work through injuries during practice -- all of those things, at least when I was there," said Byner, now the Tennessee Titans' running backs coach. "I knew him as a guy who needed to have a different approach to the game. . . . Everybody should be held, everybody should hold themselves, to a certain standard. You get a lot of people who don't, you also need to understand how that dynamic affects the entire picture, not just the individual."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/01/11/AR2010011103650.html

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | January 12, 2010 6:47 PM | Report abuse

Now I understand why the Wizards are a disaster of a team. It's going to take years for the Wizards to regroup. Maybe it's time to trade Andray Blatche.

Posted by: TJGodel | January 12, 2010 6:53 PM | Report abuse

Do not underestimate Abe Pollins ability to create a culture of failure, even post mortem; nobody loses better, or longer.

Posted by: smc635 | January 12, 2010 6:54 PM | Report abuse

Just shut up! Please, make them all go away! The idiot coach and all of the two-year olds. Make it stop!!!!

Posted by: Phillip258 | January 12, 2010 7:41 PM | Report abuse

I would take Flip Saunders more seriously on this topic if he were meting out justice more evenly. I agree that abandoning the team concept in order to get your shots is a punishable offense that requires the coaches immediate attention; however, I do not agree that Andre Blatche is a key violator in this regard. A more egregious offender is Caron Butler. I am tired of seeing Caron Butler break the offense or make bonehead plays in what appears to be a conscious decision to "get his". So, Flip -- if you are going to put the smack down on AB don't forget to do the same to CB.

Posted by: bazookajoe1 | January 13, 2010 4:41 AM | Report abuse

My basketball pedigree includes being coached by Rock Green ,Chuck Taylor, Rip Scott,AB Willamson,playing against A Dantley,Eddie Jordan,Willie Daniels and the best player I've ever seen or played with or against Hawkeye Whitney. I have serious concerns w/ Flip.At the start of the season A. Blatche was playing better than anyone, who was Flip starting, Oberto. A Jamison is a terific teamate and offensive player, but can't check me, at age 55. He's not a powerfoward, not a small.I won't go as far as yo say he should be traded,but he cannot be a starter.If he does,he most be at SMALLFOWARD.He is a terific rebounder,but too small to be our powerfoward.A lineup w/ brendan-center,blatche-pf,jamison-m.miller-D. Mcgire-sf,C. butler-sg,R. foye-pg.Allow this lineup to get some chemestry. Javis Crittenden is strong and bigand quick.I've seen enough of the little big man,send him to his tenth team.My point is Flip was lucky to have a K. Garnett,S star.He Had aG. Arenas on the comeback,but now thats gone.He's lost.

Posted by: charlesmakal | January 13, 2010 12:31 PM | Report abuse

My basketball pedigree includes being coached by Rock Green ,Chuck Taylor, Rip Scott,AB Willamson,playing against A Dantley,Eddie Jordan,Willie Daniels and the best player I've ever seen or played with or against Hawkeye Whitney. I have serious concerns w/ Flip.At the start of the season A. Blatche was playing better than anyone, who was Flip starting, Oberto. A Jamison is a terific teamate and offensive player, but can't check me, at age 55. He's not a powerfoward, not a small.I won't go as far as yo say he should be traded,but he cannot be a starter.If he does,he most be at SMALLFOWARD.He is a terific rebounder,but too small to be our powerfoward.A lineup w/ brendan-center,blatche-pf,jamison-m.miller-D. Mcgire-sf,C. butler-sg,R. foye-pg.Allow this lineup to get some chemestry. Javis Crittenden is strong and bigand quick.I've seen enough of the little big man,send him to his tenth team.My point is Flip was lucky to have a K. Garnett,S star.He Had aG. Arenas on the comeback,but now thats gone.He's lost.

Posted by: charlesmakal | January 13, 2010 12:40 PM | Report abuse

I got the answer, we fired the coach and trade AJ and CB for draft picks. Then hire another coach, Avery Johnson seems to be the next popular pick since he hasn't disappointed us yet then we will have a team that consist of Haywood, young, blatche foye and miller. We lose many more games, then we fire Avery and EG, hire a new coach, GM and continue to lose. Then we will want Ted Leonis to sell the team.

Posted by: ged0386 | January 13, 2010 2:59 PM | Report abuse

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