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Jamison thrives despite distractions

With plenty of distractions surrounding the Washington Wizards, veteran forward Antawn Jamison continues to prosper on the court and exude the kind of professionalism expected from a team captain off of it.

In a 99-90 loss Detroit, which entered losers of 13 straight games, Jamison had a game-high 31 points and 10 rebounds. It was the sixth time this season he has had at least 30 points and 10 rebounds.

Jamison made 11 of 19 shots, including 3 of 5 from three-point range, and at times appeared the only Wizards player who was able to keep his focus amid the Gilbert Arenas gun mess that has teammates thinking about issues other than basketball.

"Antawn was great again tonight," Wizards Coach Flip Saunders said. "I feel bad because that guy has been playing his butt off, playing about 43 minutes [per game]. That guy's being thrown around like a rag doll. He's so consistent in his aggression. He's been so efficient."

Jamison has scored at least 26 points in five consecutive games, including 32 on 13-for-21 shooting in Sunday's 115-110 loss to New Orleans. With the Wizards depleted because of suspension (Arenas) and injury (Mike Miller) and Caron Butler continuing to play uneven basketball, Jamison figures to have to carry the team for the immediate future and perhaps beyond.

"It's just that way, but we get Andray back tomorrow," Jamison said. "Caron is going to get back in the thick of things. Randy [Foye] has been doing a tremendous job here as of late, so when Mike gets back, I think I'll be pretty much back to normal.

"I have to be aggressive, especially right now. There's going to be certain nights when Nick [Young] has it going, and I can relax a little bit, but my mind-frame is really to come out and set the tone offensively and rebound as well. Eventually things will get back to pat, but I think that should be everybody's mind-set, to come out aggressive offensively, because we're missing a lot of firepower."

By Gene Wang  |  January 12, 2010; 10:33 PM ET
 
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You have to give it up to AJ. He's been playing like a true pro and looking like one of the best players in the league. The flip side is that is also the problem. The system seems perfect for AJ but I dont think Gil will be special in it and Caron will look average at all times. The only way Caron may look good is at the 2 so hopefully Flip goes big again because right now the O sucks. You can talk about the D all you want but we still use to win strictly on O. Now our O is crappy looking

Posted by: dlts20 | January 12, 2010 11:14 PM | Report abuse

Yep, where would we ever be without Antawn Jamison, our "Great Leader of Men"?

Oh, probably 2 or 3 games worse than we are now.

And in better position for more lottery balls.

That's what sportswriters and fans call irreplaceable leadership ladies & gentlemen!

Posted by: Dat2U | January 12, 2010 11:28 PM | Report abuse

I am still waiting for Jamison to step up and support his teammates who were fined. He knows he deserves a fine too. If 4 other players can get fined for laughing ,then why isn't Jamison fined for laughing also? The management playing favorites does not promote team unity. I demand that the Wizards management come out and explain why these four players were singled out if they have the balls that is.

Posted by: dandyhuffman | January 12, 2010 11:46 PM | Report abuse

it was apparently reported that the guys fined all fell down as part of the joke when arenas 'shot' them. Those who only laughed werent fined

Posted by: divi3 | January 12, 2010 11:57 PM | Report abuse

That's what happened. Nobody was fined for laughing. Maybe try to be a little more informed about a situation before throwing your demands around, big fella. I admire your audacity, though, and your child-like worldview that would make you think that the Wizards would give a fig about what you demand.

Posted by: mike8 | January 13, 2010 12:03 AM | Report abuse

Foye and Stevenson look to be the better guard tandem with Miller out. Stevenson has more PG skills than Young, and Foye really needs that help. I'm not sure if Foye is a starter in this league, he kind of reminds me of Bobby Jackson, but he looks like a keeper.

Posted by: djnnnou | January 13, 2010 12:13 AM | Report abuse

I hate the game now.... can't watch any team, just put my fantasy team in each week, don't pay attention to moves, trades, nothing... David Stern has ruined the NBA & I don't know why but I believe Tim Donaghy... I do believe there are some personal vendetta's & agendas out there regarding the refs... Hell they used the same ones, over & over... their yes men to Stern & the Gilbert Arenas suspension in my eyes is personal for what Gil said stating he was mean & Wizards were pressing him for a suspension anyway...

AJ is a consistent player but he can't create for others, just look at his assists... Anyway... F the NBA!

Posted by: tony325 | January 13, 2010 12:34 AM | Report abuse

I agree with Flip's sentiments. I really do feel bad for Jamison. He is one heck of a player. If we do trade him I hope we have enough class to let him finish his career with a contender.

I respect him so much I would even route for Cleveland in the playoffs if that is where he lands.

Posted by: MeviousMan | January 13, 2010 2:11 AM | Report abuse

randy foye's comments:
"We've got to come every day ready to play. Disappointed in the loss tonight, but we have a lot of games to go. We've got to try to put this one behind us, learn from it and move on."

it's ok to be positive during this negative season...i understand that but this statement (by foye) wreaks of delusion...the team is 12-24 they look pathetic. throughout this dismal season they are making these ludicrous statements about learning from then applying what they've learned to get better and win games...they fall deeper and deeper into the lottery...it's almost as if their season was over before they could get any confidence to become contenders. contending and marginal teams are deciding and will continue to decide their season for them...hopefully the new management has some answers...the current roster is an embarrasement to the NBA...ernie grunfield has to take accountability for this roster/season...he knows that unless he does something to shake this up and set the new owners up in a positive way then his job and reputation will be in serious jeopardy...i think the current leadership has no clue in what direction they wanna go and if that's the case then not only is the team a cast of losers but the management personnel of the team are also losers...an ENVIROMENT OF AND FOR LOSERS...a city of embarrased and frustrated fans.

Posted by: ronniecope106 | January 13, 2010 4:22 AM | Report abuse

I respect Jamison's game(except for defense) however, where were the captains during all of this joking around in the lockerroom? Did the captains(Butler too) command more maturity from Gil and "the rest"? Now, "the rest" have been fined, but Jamison not?! No wonder Blatche is pissed.

Posted by: G-Man11 | January 13, 2010 7:39 AM | Report abuse

I agree ronnie, it is very, very frustrating.

But we do have a passel of expiring contracts and there has to be some interest in Jamison, Butler, Haywood and even Blatche that can be turned into draft choices and perhaps a playing piece or two for the future.

The ownership situation still has to be cleared up, as does the disposition of Gilbert Arenas and his massive contract, but there is no question that the decks are going to have be cleared from top to bottom, front office included.

The loss to the Pistons, which was in a sense predictable, removes any shadow of a doubt that it's time to fold this hand. A victory against Detroit would have only been a glimmer of false hope...

Posted by: khrabb | January 13, 2010 7:42 AM | Report abuse

Mike Lee,

I'm begging you. Can you please do a report on how and why Eric Waters remains our team trainer??? It really took him a week to get to Blatche? Why? He allowed Mike Miller to play with his shoulder hanging out for a week before injuring his calf. This may seem as nitpicking but when you look at a team such as phoenix that has Grant Hill healthy and Steve Nash running up the court like a 25 year old, something that they're doing is working. But here we are with a trainer who can't even get to a guy for a week!

Posted by: CBell29 | January 13, 2010 7:59 AM | Report abuse

OK, here's what really happened on that plane back home after the game. Arenas pulled Crittenton aside and said, "look, we've got a problem. We got way too many guards and Ernie keeps signing more. Boykins? Get real. I mean, when is Mike James gonna get on the court? There's like thirty guys ahead of him. It's up to you and me to do somethin'."

Crittenton: What?

Arenas: "Here's the plan. You and me bring some guns to the locker room and have a pretend fight. You know, wannabe play-thug stuff. Haywood narcs on us and we both get tossed out. Eventually, Mike James has got to get his shot."

Crittenton: That's crazy. What's the other option?

Arenas: I take a dump in your shoe.

Crittenton: I get my gun.

So you see, this was all about helping out a buddy.

Posted by: Samson151 | January 13, 2010 8:14 AM | Report abuse

It hasn't been reported on here that I know of, but in reference to the shat in the shoe, there have been other stunts in professional that are just as bad.

One such stunt is that a guys birthday cake was actually shat on as a stunt.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | January 13, 2010 8:25 AM | Report abuse

Speaking of Mike James, why is he getting no shot at all? There are occasions when he gets hot and he could possible help us. I'm not asking for him to start but we just helped the Pistons end a 13 game losing streak. We're going nowhere and are one of the bottom 3 teams in the league....maybe the worst. What do we have to lose but more games?

Now's the time to start experimenting with lineups. Start JM at the 4 and move AJ to 3. Make CB the 2 alongside Foye.

We need to try SOMETHING. What we're doing aint working. It should be clear now that a system like EJ's (or D'Antoni's or Nellie's) is the only way ths undersized, no-defense-playing team can win.

We can't compete most nights in Flip's system. We have to run to compete.

I've been harping on how overrated CB is for 2 years now. It's really obvious now to most, I think. We need to adjust the system to fit our strengths. Run and gun makes CB and AJ borderline all stars. It also helps NY, AB, JM and probably Foye. It also would create good passing lanes and shot opportunities for MM.

Run and gun, baby.

or tank. I dont care which but choose one rather than stay in the doldrums.

Posted by: original_mark | January 13, 2010 8:38 AM | Report abuse

Last year when it was apparent that Grunfield was going to finish the season with Taps...

I blogged that it was the wrong thing for Ernie to do because of the fact that the coaching was so bad by Taps that it could cause irreparable harm to the players.

In hindsight that statement has some validity.

And further, the 'The Best Laid Plans Might Not Be Worth Squat or Shat', is also appropriate here, for Ernie knew that he was going to hire Flip all along, so that is why he went an entire season with a coach that had no clue about developing a Team.

In other words this organization wasted an entire season last year and for what.

For a coach they thought would be a surefire winner and the return of injured players.

Now all those best laid plans have been shot to hell by unloaded guns/fingers and a Team of players that are not getting it done on the court.

As an organization, you have to do what is right to be a winner and if Ernie chose to fire Eddie 10 games into the season, he should have seriously tried to hire the best coach available.

The fact that he did not, now makes his decision making over time questionable. I questioned why you would go a whole season with a clueless coach back then.

The bad habits and the serious retardation of development appear to be more ingrained than we thought. It is evident isn't it.

Ernie thought that Flip could just come in and voila, a whole season wasted and no development by the Team would be corrected, a thing of the past.

He was wrong and now it is clearly evident, also, why I have said all along that the organization and the coaching is always more important than the players.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | January 13, 2010 8:52 AM | Report abuse

It's not just the coaching and organization, Larry.
Our "star" players don't have a true position - they're just offensively gifted (on some nights). You can't win with 'tweeners who don't play a lick of defense and players who lack a true leader on the court and in the locker room.

Posted by: ArmChairQB | January 13, 2010 9:06 AM | Report abuse

Run and Gun, Did somebody holla my mantra?

I have given up Run and Gun, Shake and Bake, Let's Go Back Baby, as an option for this coach.

It certainly wasn't an option for the last coach either.

Some coaches will never use 'Swoop To The Hoop' as a coaching style.

Why?

Because they feel that it gives the players more control on the floor to make decisions. And it does.

So there are a whole school of coaches now whom will not use fastbreak basketball as their system.

Flip Saunders is one of them. He really don't wanna run the ball. For, if he did, he would start by having two bigs on the floor at all times to control the paint.

LarryInClintonMD.

And the last time I checked we got three bigs that can run the doggone floor.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | January 13, 2010 9:07 AM | Report abuse

AJ is a model of consistency - though his game is limited to offensive production, which creates problems for our interior defense.

Caron will find his game.

It's no secret that Caron and Gil had chemistry issues on the court. Much of the year had been geared toward getting Gil back in his groove. Now that's not in the picture, and Caron will get the chance to find his groove again.

Posted by: p1funk | January 13, 2010 9:09 AM | Report abuse

WIZARDS suck.

Posted by: glawrence007 | January 13, 2010 9:11 AM | Report abuse

It's not just the coaching and organization, Larry.
Our "star" players don't have a true position - they're just offensively gifted (on some nights). You can't win with 'tweeners who don't play a lick of defense and players who lack a true leader on the court and in the locker room.

Posted by: ArmChairQB | January 13, 2010 9:06 AM | Report abuse


Thank you. I've been sayuing this for years.

The failure of the Wiz is traced directly back to the whole Big 3 philosophy.

$160 mill tied up on 2 'tweeners who don't play defense - and that's the core of the team.

It's not about hustle, or attitude, or mindset, or coaching.

A talented 'tweener is an asset when you can roll 1 out on the floor to create a mismatch and exploit it. But you've got to have personnel that can cover for that 'tweener's weakness, because a mismatch can get turned around on you.

This team is built around guys that don't have a real position and have big holes in their game - sure, they may be really good at the things they do well but that's not compensating for the things they don't do well. The closest thing we've got to a real position player is Brendan Haywood at center.

Posted by: p1funk | January 13, 2010 9:17 AM | Report abuse

If coaching doesn't make a difference, why did we fire Eddie Jordan?

Just pick any ole fogge, luck into the right players, and voila, a championship.

If coaching dosen't make a difference, why did Majic and Michael require a different one than the one they had initially.

Why is Dean Smith the only person to hold MJ under 30, light hearted humor.

Why did Van Gundy get kicked to the curb when Shaq showed up in Miami.

Oh contrare, my good friends, coaching does make a difference.

You folks running around thinking coaching doesn't make a huge difference and is not doubly as the important as the players are just plain wrong.

For ARMCHAIRQB, it is coaching, good coaching that will correct and address those percieved imperfections that you describe above.

Ya' think Red Auerbach believed that coaching did not make a difference?

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | January 13, 2010 9:19 AM | Report abuse

Ya' think Red Auerbach believed that coaching did not make a difference?

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | January 13, 2010 9:19 AM | Report abuse


Obviously coaching is important.

The point is that good coaching isn't going to compensate for player deficiencies in the long-haul.

As great a coach as Phil Jackson is, and as much as he's been able to get the best out of Kobe, they both also simply needed Pau Gasol to step up and give them some post play to win.

One of the biggest issues with the Wiz long-haul is their inability to defend. 6 years into this "Big 3" project, I think its clear that coaching isn't the issue. Too few of the core players on this team are capable of playing consistent defense.

Posted by: p1funk | January 13, 2010 9:26 AM | Report abuse

One of the biggest issues with the Wiz long-haul is their inability to defend. 6 years into this "Big 3" project, I think its clear that coaching isn't the issue. Too few of the core players on this team are capable of playing consistent defense.


Posted by: p1funk | January 13, 2010 9:26 AM | Report abuse

Score 31 and pull in 10 rebounds but be -2 overall. Wow. A winning formula? For which team?

Posted by: glawrence007 | January 13, 2010 9:28 AM | Report abuse

What's the correct past tense?

Gil 'shat' in Blatche's shoe.

or

Gil sh*tted in Blatche's shoe.

??

Unfortunately, I have Wiz tickets this year and I have to find ways to amuse myself. The games themselves are depressing.

Posted by: original_mark | January 13, 2010 9:34 AM | Report abuse

For ARMCHAIRQB, it is coaching, good coaching that will correct and address those percieved imperfections that you describe above.

Ya' think Red Auerbach believed that coaching did not make a difference?

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | January 13, 2010 9:19 AM

You're not listening, Larry. I said it's not JUST coaching or the organization. Coaching is a factor, the front office/organization is a factor and the players are a factor. Don't think that if you address one component (coaching) the other components will magically fall into place. IMO, Phil Jackson would lose with the current core of Arenas, Jamison and Butler. Tweeners all. They are nice pieces on a team, but you sink with them as your core. It's not JUST the coaching and the organization.

Posted by: ArmChairQB | January 13, 2010 9:37 AM | Report abuse

did he ?

Posted by: suliman007_4 | January 13, 2010 9:37 AM | Report abuse

"Score 31 and pull in 10 rebounds but be -2 overall. Wow."

That's what happens when you play 45minutes in a loss.

Go 11-19 for 31/10 and have fans think you're the problem? WOW!

I agree with meviousman, aj deserves to go to a contender, dare i say Cavs. He would tear it up off the bench, guy is scoring at will these days.

CBs trade value diminishes nightly, he is just flat out awful for long stretches. What on earth happened to the guy.

Boykins is the WORST player on the team and gets 20mins, some of it at the 2 spot.

just terrible!

Posted by: divi3 | January 13, 2010 9:45 AM | Report abuse

Consider this Dream Triumvirate

Coach - Phil Jackson
GM - Jerry West
Owner - Jerry Buss

If you put that trio in Washington today with the current players, the result would still be a losing squad because the roster is fatally flawed, IMO.

Posted by: ArmChairQB | January 13, 2010 9:46 AM | Report abuse

"I blogged that it was the wrong thing for Ernie to do because of the fact that the coaching was so bad by Taps that it could cause irreparable harm to the players.

In hindsight that statement has some validity."

No, it doesn't.

The deficiencies exhibited by these players under Tapscott were the same ones exhibited under Jordan and the same ones they're exhibiting now under Saunders. See a theme here?

They are what they are and always have been. The only difference is that Jordan decided his best course of action was to make the best of what they could do and live with what they couldn't. That approach worked until it stopped working, at which point Jordan was fired. Saunders was brought in for the specific purpose of trying to get something out of these players that Jordan couldn't. His failure to do so has nothing to do with coaching and everything to do with the fact that the thing the organization wanted him to get out of them, they simply do not have to give.

Posted by: kalo_rama | January 13, 2010 9:47 AM | Report abuse

"Coach - Phil Jackson
GM - Jerry West
Owner - Jerry Buss

If you put that trio in Washington today with the current players, the result would still be a losing squad because the roster is fatally flawed, IMO."

Larry Brown could have squeezed wins out of this team, he plays the matchups and rides the hot hand no matter who has to sit.

Posted by: divi3 | January 13, 2010 9:50 AM | Report abuse

The question of the season and probably next few will be:

Should the coach adjust the system to fit the players or find players to fit the system?

Obviously our players don't fit Flip's system. It's usually an expensive and long term proposition to change all of the key players.

Fact is, the Wiz will not be able to void Gil's contract. Ultimately, he's going to be a piece of the puzzle for the foreseeable future. While we dont have to build AROUND him like we have in the past, he's a more than capable 2nd banana. BTH has proven to be a good C. We need for AJ and CB to bounce while they still have value and we need to find a star. BTH and Gil are two of the key pieces that you need in a contender (C and #2 guy).

Posted by: original_mark | January 13, 2010 9:50 AM | Report abuse

"Why did Van Gundy get kicked to the curb when Shaq showed up in Miami."

Because Pat Riley saw that the team was in position to win a title and his ego couldn't stand for that to happen with anyone other than himself on the bench. If Van Gundy had stayed they'd still have won.

Posted by: kalo_rama | January 13, 2010 9:50 AM | Report abuse


McGrady for Caron Butlerand Mike Miller doen deal

Posted by: suliman007_4 | January 13, 2010 9:50 AM | Report abuse

original_mark,

BTH is as good as gone. Probably wants to leave, and being a FA, there's no way we'll match the offers he gets. Best to trade him now imho

Posted by: divi3 | January 13, 2010 9:51 AM | Report abuse

the roster is fatally flawed, IMO.

Yep.

Ladies and gentlemen...YOUR Washington Wizards.

Posted by: original_mark | January 13, 2010 9:52 AM | Report abuse

divi3, If I was BTH, I'd be outta here for sure. The ship be sinking.

Despite what ppl think, he's going to get some serious offer(s). I'll just add him to the list of guys that were either misused, underused, or undervalued here and thrived elsewhere.

Sheed, CWebb, Rip, Mason, Ben Wallace, BTH...

Posted by: original_mark | January 13, 2010 9:54 AM | Report abuse

"Larry Brown could have squeezed wins out of this team, he plays the matchups and rides the hot hand no matter who has to sit."

He also demands that his teams play defense, which this team is incapable of doing, and doesn't hesitate to turn over the roster (or agitate the GM to do it) when players don't get with the program. Brown couldn't have gotten any better results than Saunders out of this crew, but he'd have been up Grunfeld's ass on a daily basis to get rid of them until somebody was gone (either the players, coach, or GM).

"Should the coach adjust the system to fit the players or find players to fit the system?"

That's not really a question anymore. Jordan adjusted the system to fit the players and what did he get for it? Constant criticism from the armchair coaches and a pink slip outta town, despite having more success than any franchise coach in 20 years. A system designed to suit these players is a system designed to eke into the playoffs and bounce after the first round (at best)> Been there, done that. Time to try something new.

Posted by: kalo_rama | January 13, 2010 9:57 AM | Report abuse

"He also demands that his teams play defense, which this team is incapable of doing, and doesn't hesitate to turn over the roster (or agitate the GM to do it) when players don't get with the program."

Disagree. Brown wouldnt hesitate to play Mcguire, he wouldnt lean on Earl, and he'd bench CB to shake him up. NY played pretty good D earlier in the season and was still benched. I'm not saying Brown turns the team around, just he'd utilize the players better.

Original_mark,

there are 2 centers in the league who consistently play over 30mins without scoring 10pts. BTH is one and Ben Wallace the other. Is it a coincidence both their teams are terrible?

Posted by: divi3 | January 13, 2010 10:05 AM | Report abuse

I think that if we'd had good health, EJ's teams here might actually have been able to get further along in the playoffs.
I was one of the guys who hated his substitution and the way he use BTH.

Howeva, if EJ was still here with this team, I beleive that we'd be above .500. I think that with BTH last year, we'd have been much better than we were. Gil's gunplay would have thrown this season of course but the system worked for us.

We just never had a chance to see it with everyone healthy AND (very important caveat) BTH as the full time starting C.

We'll never know.

Posted by: original_mark | January 13, 2010 10:08 AM | Report abuse

This team has no offense besides Jamison. One thing about loosing Gilbert is that nobody else can penetrate, leaving Jamison being the only one who can score inside somewhat.

Foye, Nick Young and Bonkins are all jump shooters. Among the three, Bonkins is probably most capable in penetration, but due to his size, it's tough for him to finish.

As for Caron, when he tries to drive, it often results in charge or travel calls. So he is a jump shooter too.

As for the rest, Haywood's offense contribution is in offensive rebounds and put backs. Blatche is soft and prefers to shoot jump sots too. Oberto, DS, McGuire have no offense. McGee thinks he can score from anywhere, but is really only good in alley-oops. So who did I miss? Oh Mike James, he is a jump shooter too, but now can only shoot from the sitting on the bench!

Worse, none of the jump-shooters named above can shoot consistently from outside. Here, lies the Wizards problem.

Posted by: sagaliba | January 13, 2010 10:08 AM | Report abuse

re: CrapShoeGate

that was what, 5yrs ago when arenas was 23 and AB was a 19yr old rook? guarantee similar stuff has happened all over the league

Posted by: divi3 | January 13, 2010 10:09 AM | Report abuse

NY cant get over a bad start. It's odd, when the kid is 1-6 you know his night isnt going to improve

Posted by: divi3 | January 13, 2010 10:11 AM | Report abuse

I've been hanging with the Wizzies and hoping that things would turn around BUT I'm starting to believe the "blow it up" contingent might be right.

This team has played the same way no matter who coaches them.

No points in the paint and no "D".

There are some very good individual players here BUT no team players.

Hunker down for the next year or 2 and let the rebuilding begin.

Can't get no worse.

Posted by: VBFan | January 13, 2010 10:15 AM | Report abuse

Ernie Grunfeld is the architect of this team. His philosophy: guards can't be small like Paul of NO except for Earl. He was forced to get Earl. Big people have to be tall and skinny. Pass up good draft choices for tall and skinny or mental. Can't have rebounders or bigs that rebound and score on the low post. Many of the players chosen have mental, emotional, or maturity problems. Most of all can't have players that can play or want to play defense.

Three coaches have tried to coach and manage this group and have failed. Coaches are as good as the players they coach.

Finally, there must be special rules for the special players, ie Arenas.


You mix it all together and you have this mess. Ted L will clean house, except for Jamison, with Grunfeld going first.

Posted by: JoeC2 | January 13, 2010 10:16 AM | Report abuse

Based on the way Blatche was playing then and his approach to the game, I'm surprised it wasnt the coach who shat in his shoe.

divi3...
I think that on any other team, BTH would be getting more touches and points. He's a legit 14 point, 10 rebound 2 block Center.

This team just doesnt have enough balls to allow him to score.

You can take that in 2 different yet appropriate ways.

AJ needs to score to be effective. CB is ineffective even now. We're doomed. We'll never make it. We're all gonna die.

Posted by: original_mark | January 13, 2010 10:17 AM | Report abuse

"Disagree. Brown wouldnt hesitate to play Mcguire, he wouldnt lean on Earl, and he'd bench CB to shake him up. NY played pretty good D earlier in the season and was still benched. I'm not saying Brown turns the team around, just he'd utilize the players better."

I said he'd insist on playing D, you said he'd play a guy known for defense more. I said he wouldn't get any better results from them, you said he wouldn't turn the team around. I fail to see how any of that is disagreeing with what I said. Bottom line, the team under Brown would still be awful, just a different looking awful. Big whoop.

(As for Yong playing "good D" . . . he had a couple of games where he didn't play horrible D; that's about as much credit as he gets.)

Posted by: kalo_rama | January 13, 2010 10:18 AM | Report abuse

"Howeva, if EJ was still here with this team, I beleive that we'd be above .500."

Nope. Jordan was done. Five years is an eternity in NBA coaching circles (at the time of his firing, Jordan was the longest tenured coach in the East). He'd gone as far with and gotten as much out of this team as he was going to. Basically, his shelf life as Wizards coach had expired.

Posted by: kalo_rama | January 13, 2010 10:21 AM | Report abuse

Pervis = AJ
Harvey Grant = CB
Michael Adams = Foye

We're the old Wiz with some decent but underwhelming talent. The only option is to blow it up, probably.

Losing games these days is almost a foregone conclusion.

The only reason I go nowadays is to see whether the bagel, donut, or coffee wins the race.

Spoiler:
The coffee almost always falls, spills and slips up the donut and bagel.

Posted by: original_mark | January 13, 2010 10:24 AM | Report abuse

"I think that on any other team, BTH would be getting more touches and points. He's a legit 14 point, 10 rebound 2 block Center. "

No, he's not. He has no real offensive moves, either with his back to or facing the basket. His attempts at posting up usually result in turnovers or bricks off the back iron 9which are as good as turnovers); his jumpshots often miss the rim entirely. He can't rebound in traffic.

He's a rebound, hustle, putback C. Which is fine, except he seems unwilling/unable to fully accept that role. Trying to get him more involved in the set offense kills way too many offensive possessions, as he pounds the ball on the floor while failing to actually improve his offensive position and guys stand around watching.

Posted by: kalo_rama | January 13, 2010 10:26 AM | Report abuse

This thread should be retitled:

"Jamison now completly free to get his"

Posted by: tgif11 | January 13, 2010 10:28 AM | Report abuse

Sometime Haywood DOES give you the "okay I have earned this ridiculous shot attempt"

The two slow telegraphed stides to the center of the paint and attempted hook shot. Or the slow fade away as Kalo said that is lucky to draw iron.

Posted by: millineumman | January 13, 2010 10:40 AM | Report abuse


"Jamison now completely free to get his"

Posted by: tgif11 | January 13, 2010 10:42 AM | Report abuse

I said he'd insist on playing D, you said he'd play a guy known for defense more. I said he wouldn't get any better results from them, you said he wouldn't turn the team around. I fail to see how any of that is disagreeing with what I said. Bottom line, the team under Brown would still be awful, just a different looking awful. Big whoop.

(As for Yong playing "good D" . . . he had a couple of games where he didn't play horrible D; that's about as much credit as he gets.)

Posted by: kalo_rama | January 13, 2010 10:18 AM | Report abuse

It wouldn't necessarily be awful. Brown is turning around an even more moribound franchise in Charlotte. We have much higher quality talent compared to Charlotte and coach Brown has a history of extracting more from his players. He's transformed Wallace into an all-star, Jackson is playing is heart out after being dumped by Golden State...
Yes, he would have done much better with this team and to even challenge that is laughable.
Furthermore, defense is a philosophy and a mentality and doesn't always hinge on individual player's abilities. That very philosophy is the coach's responsibility to institute. Really good players that are also defensive specialists are very scarce in this league. It doesn't prevent coaches from mastering defensive schemes.

Posted by: Utilityman1 | January 13, 2010 10:52 AM | Report abuse

I know Flip had a good team in Detriot and a great player in Garnett in Minn. ( also Cassell was underatetted ) but he didn't waste the talent. I know a lot are not impressed by him here but I'm a going to guess that he is at least a decent coach.

Even though he is coming in late with the discipline, I am glad to see it. Call it phony or whatever, what other Wiz/Bullets coach have you seen take the approach. I hope it is consistant and not just for sound bites though but we will see.

ArmChairQB had it right. Our star players are overatted. They are pretty good but not NBA elite. Almost every team has two scorers. They are also one trick ponies. Jamison is a decent but not dominant rebounder.

I have said before our management was just to content with 43-39 one playoff round seasons. In nail biting last second fights all 82 games. From the bad teams to the good ones, and it was no suprise when we got crushed on a given night.

A new core is needed.

Posted by: millineumman | January 13, 2010 10:54 AM | Report abuse

Nope. Jordan was done. Five years is an eternity in NBA coaching circles (at the time of his firing, Jordan was the longest tenured coach in the East). He'd gone as far with and gotten as much out of this team as he was going to. Basically, his shelf life as Wizards coach had expired.

Posted by: kalo_rama | January 13, 2010 10:21 AM | Report abuse

You are right Jordan was done and probably deserved to be let go (albeit, right after EG granted him a lucrative extension, another one of EG master decisions). The point that should be made is that in hindsight, his performance with this limited group, getting them as high as he did was certainly commandable. It's even more apparent since he had less to work with.

Posted by: Utilityman1 | January 13, 2010 10:58 AM | Report abuse

@divi3,

Brendan's 10 & 10. What are you talking about?

Posted by: kevenjones | January 13, 2010 11:23 AM | Report abuse

Once again EARL BOYKINS MESSES UP THE FLOW IS -14. the wiz were up by 6pts after the first quarter..As soon as boykins comes in they go on a 14-3 run? it happens every game..Ge sucks and messes up the offense and flow..boston game we go down 14 in the 2nd, pacers we go down 13 in the second..clippers we blow a 17pt lead in the 3rd..etc..Many more games this happens to..Flip is responsible..Randy should have been gils backup and split time with nick at the 2guard when mike was out..earl boykins is a liability on defense and defense, more importanly he cnt score off the ball and he monopolizes and the ball and runs aroun to much..THINK ABOUT IT...RANDY WASNT EVEN PLAYING FOR A TON OF GAMES AFTER THE INJURY, NICK WASNT PLAYING EITHER, AND THE WIZ ARE UNDEFEATED WHEN NICK HAS A GOOD GAME, DESHAWN WAS STARTING ON OUR 6 GAME LOSING STREAK..EARL WAS PLAYING THE WHOLE 4TH ON OUR OTHER 6 GAME LOSING STREAK

Posted by: swish300400 | January 13, 2010 11:27 AM | Report abuse

According to 82games.com, BTH takes 75% of his shots inside and his effective fg% is 68% when he does. 'Inside' is defined as dunks tips, and close shots.

Dwight Howard takes 88% of his shots inside, by contrast.

Could BTH stop with the occasional outside jumper? Of course. Has he earned the right to take it every once in a while? Absolutely. I'm looking at the entire body of work and not the errant shot or 2 per game.

Posted by: original_mark | January 13, 2010 11:59 AM | Report abuse

For ARMCHAIRQB, it is coaching, good coaching that will correct and address those perceived imperfections that you describe above.

Ya' think Red Auerbach believed that coaching did not make a difference?

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | January 13, 2010 9:19 AM

You're not listening, Larry. I said it's not JUST coaching or the organization. Coaching is a factor, the front office/organization is a factor and the players are a factor. Don't think that if you address one component (coaching) the other components will magically fall into place. IMO, Phil Jackson would lose with the current core of Arenas, Jamison and Butler. Tweeners all. They are nice pieces on a team, but you sink with them as your core. It's not JUST the coaching and the organization.

Posted by: ArmChairQB | January 13, 2010 9:37 AM

The point you and some are missing in all of this is that you assume that all the coaches would make the same decisions with this group.

Kalo_rama rightly points out a list of deficiencies common with this group of players that have been prevalent for years.

And you point out that Jackson, West, and Buss would not have made much of a difference.

However, the point is though that you assume that a different coach would settle for the same results and make the same decisions regarding these players.

Phil Jackson would make decisions based upon the talents of the players. He would not coach with false perceptions of what the players should be doing. He would coach with the real perceptions of what the players actaully could do.

And the results would be different.

Give Eddie credit for using an offensive system for getting this group to succeed. Eddie lost out because he thought he could tweek his system for the sake of defense.

That was Eddie's downfall and not that his time was up.

Eddie's forte was scoring the ball.

Mark Jackson would be the right coach for this group.

He would not have take any trash from any of these players. And he certainly would not have this Team playing a style of ball that they are not suited for.

Sure, great players make a difference, thats why you fit the style/system to the player and not the other way around.

Isn't that why Eddie was, WAS successful with this group before and with less.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | January 13, 2010 12:02 PM | Report abuse

But this is not about BTH anyway. He's not the reason we're losing, IMO.
It's the whole square peg, round hole thing that's killing us.

Posted by: original_mark | January 13, 2010 12:02 PM | Report abuse

Eventually things will get back to pat, but I think that should be everybody's mind-set, to come out aggressive offensively, because we're missing a lot of firepower."

Telling comment from our captain. Rather than talk about defense, he talks about how we have to score more points.

Posted by: original_mark | January 13, 2010 12:22 PM | Report abuse

Cleveland would be a nice fit for Jamison, but they don't have anyone worth trading for.

Who on the Wiz is worth keeping if they change the roster up? I say keep Foye and Haywood, and unfortunately trade Jamison and Butler to get some young talent or draft picks. We're losing anyway, and they could both contribute on a playoff team

Posted by: bigtriumverate | January 13, 2010 1:40 PM | Report abuse

Problem is that no one is offering us anything of value for either Jamison or Butler. Flip should have stuck with the 'big' lineup with Jamison at the 3 and Butler at the 2 so they would have som mismatches on the offensive end. Butler simply gives up too many inches to be a consistent factor at the 3. I'd give Blatche one final shot at starting at the 4 and see how the team does.

Foye has proven over the last 5 games that he's the best we've got at the point and NY is better coming off the bench to give us some bench scoring. Boykins needs to have his minutes limited to about 10 per night to change the pace. Also, why isn't McGuire playing at all when this team has zero defense? Don't understand it.

Posted by: wizfan89 | January 13, 2010 1:50 PM | Report abuse


And you point out that Jackson, West, and Buss would not have made much of a difference. However, the point is though that you assume that a different coach would settle for the same results and make the same decisions regarding these players.

No matter who's coaching or running the organization, with GA, AJ and CB as the heart and soul (core) of your team you're not winning.

They're...not...good...enough.

Posted by: tgif11 | January 13, 2010 3:00 PM | Report abuse

LMFAO!

How about Flip Flop asking MeTawn to "hey, you're F'n 6-9...go get an offensive rebound...don't ask for plays called for you to get shots."

This article is a F'n joke.

Team captain my @ss especially since the locker room is out of F'n control.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | January 13, 2010 5:37 PM | Report abuse

How is MeTawn thriving when the point of having him on the team is win games, not individual accolades?

This will be the second season for him that the team is lottery bound.

MeTawn will get his stats, win or lose, but the most important stat is in the Win/Loss column, and he's not "thriving" based on that.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | January 13, 2010 5:59 PM | Report abuse

First off guys..its not marc jackson we need..It was avery johnson..flip has not won anythimg..what is his track record..larry brown won a championship witht the same pistons teams..flips then gets the team and is good in the regualr season and not in the playoffs..we should have got every..like he said its the round hole square peg thing..also i disagree about the big three not being up to par..eddie jordan had them the best in the east and we have way more supporting cast then eddie had..before the injuries under eddie they were the best team in the east..its all flips fault..count how many games we have lost because he didnt play ppl, play ppl to much, or make poor substiution patterns..inconsistent lineups..players dnt know how long they will play from game to game..the wiz are talent wise one of the best teams in the east..point blank..coaching has costed them all their games, and you know its coaching because we have only been blown out a couple games this year

Posted by: swish300400 | January 13, 2010 6:07 PM | Report abuse

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