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Miller out again; Young to start

The injury saga of Mike Miller continues for the Wizards, who will be without one of their best shooters for tonight's game against Detroit. It may not matter because the Pistons are in freefall, having lost 13 straight games. That's their longest losing streak in 16 years.

In any event, Miller injured his right calf muscle on Nov. 21, came back on Jan. 8 in a 104-97 victory over Orlando and then aggrevated the injury in Washington's most recent game on Sunday, a 110-105 loss to New Orleans.

"He might be out a week or so. We don't know yet," Coach Flip Saunders said during his pre-game media session. "It's kind of day-to-day from that, but he's definitely not playing tonight."

With Miller out, Saunders said the starters will be Randy Foye at point guard, Nick Young at shooting guard, Caron Butler at small foward, Antawn Jamison at power forward and Brendan Haywood at center.

"It's a serious injury," Saunders said. "Anytime you have anything to do witih the muscle, until you start going full-go, you never know where it's at, so I mean, if we were in the playoffs, would he play? Yeah, probably. He would play in a playoff game. But we don't want to take a chance of we being where we're at, if he does pop it again, he's out another six weeks."

So essentially Young takes Miller's place in the starting lineup, which could be a blessing. Or not.

In his past five games, Young twice has scored at least 20 points, once scored zero and had one DNP.

"Sometimes what happens in Nick's situation, to be honest, he takes himself out of the game because he might not mentally be right into it," Saunders said. "He's one of those guys that if we put him in there, if he's on fire he plays because right now he's not to the point where he can stay on the floor for all the other stuff that he does."

By Gene Wang  |  January 12, 2010; 5:51 PM ET
 
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FORGET MIKE MILLER

sucks, but that's how it is. The guy wont be here next year and isnt going to be healthy this year

Posted by: divi3 | January 12, 2010 6:17 PM | Report abuse

Does McGee make it on the court tonight? Will Brendan ever miss again? Will NY be "on fire" and thus be permitted to stay in game? Will NBC let Conan walk?

Oh the suspense of it all!

Posted by: The_Shadow_Knows | January 12, 2010 6:29 PM | Report abuse

I banking on Fabricio Oberto having a monster game.

Posted by: p1funk | January 12, 2010 6:33 PM | Report abuse

Anybody ever considered the fact that Mike Miller and Andray Blatche might have the same work ethic.

Are there any reports that Mike Miller has taken his physical regimen any more seriously than Blatche throughout his career.

Just askin the question. For, if he hasn't, this medical staff will never get him back on the court. Especially, the way Flip dogged him his first game back.

And by the way, I noticed that no one commented on fact that Blatche did not even know he was suspended and why until he showed up today.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | January 12, 2010 6:36 PM | Report abuse

If I had to keep one person from this organization and throw the rest away, I think would keep Saunders and build a team around what he wants.

I have been a long time coming to this but I think the major problem with this team (and organization) is EG and the players he has chosen and the way he has run things.

It will be interesting to see what Leonsis does when and if he becomes the owner.

Posted by: cannontl | January 12, 2010 4:39 PM

I made this comment early back in the season when the trade these bums we got as a team so Flip can get on with the type of players he needs to put a winner on the floor.

CHECK THIS OUT. IF IT IS APPARENT NOW THAT THESE PLAYERS ARE NOT THE RIGHT ONES FOR FLIPS REQUIREMENTS THEN GUESS WHAT YOU SMARTEES...

The Washington Wizards hired the "Wrong Coach".

Trade everbody and keep Flip, My Goodness.

Boy that is really bright.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | January 12, 2010 5:52 PM | Report abuse "

LMFAO!

Never have I heard of a team being built around coach starting with getting rid of everyone.

The coach's job is to get the max output out of a player based on that individual's strengths, while covering for his weaknesses.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | January 12, 2010 5:54 PM

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | January 12, 2010 6:53 PM | Report abuse

I stand by what I posted.

What I am trying to say is, is that Flip makes more sense than anybody in the organization right now.

If they will commit to playing defense and running the offense the way he wants, then they can be more successful even with the players they currently have.

Posted by: cannontl | January 12, 2010 6:31 PM

Cannontl,

Thats noble that you stand by what you said, but in your assessment of this whole debaucle you err seriously if you think that Flip makes the most sense.

Let me ask you a question. If a child acts up, is it not the parent who shows it the right way and teaches the child how to act better as he grows up?

I know your answer would be yes, in the absolute affirmative.

That being the case Cannontl, how is it a young presumed excellent talent gets no real time training of any significance during gametime under the tutelage of Flip Saunders?

But, it is all good, Javale McGee and his momma will never resign with the Washington Wizards as long as your precious Flip is there.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | January 12, 2010 7:04 PM | Report abuse

@Larry

I think Saunders is trying to teach the Wiz how to play winning basketball. It is just taking longer that any of us would like for a variety of reasons which include injuries, dysfunctions and probably the current distractions.

I am not sure what the rub is with Saunders and McGee. He must see something in McGee or his attitude that is not to his liking. It is possible by making him sit, he is forcing McGee to think (teaching him) about playing the way he wants.

That is only speculation, though. We have tried to get Michael to find out why McGee is not playing more, but I am not sure we got a valid answer.

Posted by: cannontl | January 12, 2010 7:26 PM | Report abuse

JaVale McGee enters the game at 19:31:00.

Oh happy day!!

Posted by: elfreako | January 12, 2010 7:31 PM | Report abuse

Up 6 upon entering and now down 1. Once again lead evaporates with Boykins in the game.

Posted by: alvin4 | January 12, 2010 7:43 PM | Report abuse

Boykins- DREADFUL!!

Posted by: alvin4 | January 12, 2010 7:53 PM | Report abuse

this is an NBA team?

Posted by: thickman22 | January 12, 2010 8:07 PM | Report abuse

Well what do you know, the bench let the lead get away...McGuire, Boykins, McGee and Stevenson...what's that about 14 ppg game of fire power coming off the bench?

Posted by: ptp23 | January 12, 2010 8:12 PM | Report abuse

"That being the case Cannontl, how is it a young presumed excellent talent gets no real time training of any significance during gametime under the tutelage of Flip Saunders?"

Game time isn't for "training" game time is for producing. if a player doesn't produce in a game, a coach would be foolish to keep playing him.

Posted by: kalo_rama | January 12, 2010 8:31 PM | Report abuse

Well, will Detroit snap its losing streak tonight?

Posted by: cannontl | January 12, 2010 8:34 PM | Report abuse

Boy, I thought for sure that Chris Wilcox would be a solid NBA player. Sort of a poor man's Buck Williams.

He's lost out there. What happened?

Posted by: SteveMG | January 12, 2010 8:51 PM | Report abuse

Earl playing shooting guard-just got a pass off a screen. IS this some kind of sideshow?

Posted by: ptp23 | January 12, 2010 8:53 PM | Report abuse

Go ahead...throw it to Earl in the post..

Posted by: ptp23 | January 12, 2010 8:54 PM | Report abuse

Wife's watching some damned movie. How are the WIZ doing. Can we keep DETROIT's streak alive.?

Posted by: glawrence007 | January 12, 2010 9:05 PM | Report abuse

I'm changing my focus this season.

I'm wondering how much of a joke we can become now.

Posted by: SDMDTSU | January 12, 2010 9:07 PM | Report abuse

Gametime is for producing. A coach would be foolish to keep playing one that dosen't.

Does that apply to all the players all the time or just to some of the players all the time?

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | January 12, 2010 9:11 PM | Report abuse

Anyone. Little help.

Posted by: glawrence007 | January 12, 2010 9:13 PM | Report abuse

Anyone. Little help

Pistons by 7 with less than 2 minutes.

Posted by: SteveMG | January 12, 2010 9:17 PM | Report abuse

Anyone. Little help.

Posted by: glawrence007 | January 12, 2010 9:13 PM | Report abuse

They are down 9 with 1:30 left.

Posted by: SDMDTSU | January 12, 2010 9:17 PM | Report abuse

I guess we can blame this loss on being shorthanded and the players, but certainly not anything the coach has done of course.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | January 12, 2010 9:18 PM | Report abuse

Pistons by 9 with 1:30.

Game over.

Posted by: SteveMG | January 12, 2010 9:18 PM | Report abuse

blow
it
up

Posted by: thickman22 | January 12, 2010 9:19 PM | Report abuse

Pistons by 11 with less than a minute.

Over.

Pistons bench 36 vs. Wizards bench 10.

Posted by: SteveMG | January 12, 2010 9:19 PM | Report abuse

Nice

Posted by: ptp23 | January 12, 2010 9:20 PM | Report abuse

Muresan sighting.

Awesome.

Posted by: SDMDTSU | January 12, 2010 9:20 PM | Report abuse

If only Saunders would use that deep, effective bench more they'd win more games.

He's got no buttons to push.

Posted by: SteveMG | January 12, 2010 9:21 PM | Report abuse

At least Foye is on my fantasy team..20, 10 and 5, I'll take it.

Posted by: ptp23 | January 12, 2010 9:21 PM | Report abuse

"Anybody ever considered the fact that Mike Miller and Andray Blatche might have the same work ethic.

Are there any reports that Mike Miller has taken his physical regimen any more seriously than Blatche throughout his career.

Just askin the question. For, if he hasn't, this medical staff will never get him back on the court. Especially, the way Flip dogged him his first game back.

And by the way, I noticed that no one commented on fact that Blatche did not even know he was suspended and why until he showed up today.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | January 12, 2010 6:36 PM | Report abuse "

Work ethic doesn't mean a d@mn if you're stupid.....go ask Gilby.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | January 12, 2010 9:22 PM | Report abuse

"I guess we can blame this loss on being shorthanded and the players, but certainly not anything the coach has done of course."

Not unless you think it's the coach's fault they went almost the entire 4th quarter without grabbing an offensive rebound and only grabbed 3 or 4 total in the entire quarter (which, of course, you no doubt do).

The Wiz were outworked and outhustled, pure and simple. Can't coach effort.

Posted by: kalo_rama | January 12, 2010 9:23 PM | Report abuse

Thanks guys. Switched over to NBA scores and caught the end game. Were headed to the cellar I'm afraid.

Posted by: glawrence007 | January 12, 2010 9:26 PM | Report abuse

"Anybody ever considered the fact that Mike Miller and Andray Blatche might have the same work ethic."

No, no one has ever considered that. And no one ever will.

Posted by: kalo_rama | January 12, 2010 9:27 PM | Report abuse

""I guess we can blame this loss on being shorthanded ..."

The Pistons were just as shorthanded and riding a 13-game losing streak. But they still came to play.

Posted by: kalo_rama | January 12, 2010 9:28 PM | Report abuse

Please FREE NICK YOUNG! He looks soooooo lazy and uninterested! Im sooooo tired of seeing his laziness. He just seems like he's not into the game of basketball at ALL. This dude is a joke! No defense, no hustle, no heart! Plain and simple, You can coach effort, heart, and dedication!

Posted by: rf2litenva | January 12, 2010 9:29 PM | Report abuse

The problem with this game was that Les BouleS settled for way too many J's. They did not establish an inside presence at all, and could not defend anyone.

Sad....and the season is not even 1/2 done.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | January 12, 2010 9:34 PM | Report abuse

It's quite a telling statement that, despite a 13-game losing streak, the Pistons (after this game) are only 1/2 game behind the Wiz in the standings.

And, once again, a team goes up against the Wiz and have a great night doing something they've struggled doing all season (in this case, shooting the 3). The Wizards seem to have a habit of that, going back several years.

Posted by: kalo_rama | January 12, 2010 9:37 PM | Report abuse

And to think this all started with a little card game on a plane from the west coast.

Posted by: dargregmag | January 12, 2010 9:44 PM | Report abuse

Okay, so who's the best college basketball player in the land?

A future star - if he gets his head straight - is DeMarcus Cousins of Kentucky. He's just a freshman though.

Posted by: SteveMG | January 12, 2010 9:45 PM | Report abuse

Cannontl,

I really think Flip is trying to impose his style on the Team and what he thinks is traditional basketball lessons.

However, I have no faith that he has a clue what winning basketball is for this group of players.

I knew a coach once that only used the players that he thought were good enough to play.

They lost games that they should have been winning.

Once relieved as coach, the new coach instituted a philosophy that used all the players.

The perception of the team changed and they became the top team in the League.

A coach should know how to win but getting it to successfully work through your players is another matter.

I am hard on coaching, and I have done some myself, sometimes I think I missed by calling, but it is easy to just blame the players.

If these players played well, gave effort, showed desire, and professionalism and still lost, then yeah, you could say they are not talented enough as a Team to win in the NBA.

But clearly, from where I sit it is more than these players just not being able to cut it.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | January 12, 2010 9:53 PM | Report abuse

Jamison and Butler are the least physically imposing forward tandem in the league. They pose no presence on the defensive side of the ball. Miller's height at the 2 helped mask that a bit, but tonight we got dominated throughout the paint again. Even worse, we just looked helplessly small. Blatche was missed.

Foye, Butler, Jamison, Blatche, and Haywood would seem the logical starting five at this point, but Flip's too hard headed for that. That Flip keeps giving away second quarters with Boykins is also painful.

Posted by: alvin4 | January 12, 2010 10:00 PM | Report abuse

As has been said a thousand times, the NBA is a player's league. Coaches just try to keep things afloat but if the players don't respond, there's nothing the coach can do.

Guaranteed contracts anyone?

Posted by: SteveMG | January 12, 2010 10:00 PM | Report abuse

So, Detroit ends a 13 game slide on the road in Washington . . .

Man, that sucks.

Posted by: JPRS | January 12, 2010 10:04 PM | Report abuse

"As has been said a thousand times, the NBA is a player's league. Coaches just try to keep things afloat but if the players don't respond, there's nothing the coach can do."

Playing Earl Boykins at shooting guard should be a fireable offense.

2nd quarter's Earl, Debrick, CB, AJ, BTH may have been the most ridiculous lineup all season.

CB should pick up charges on the team's first 2 possesions, just get those outta the way from the get go.

Haywood with another 3/4 game. Flip sits him to start the 4th, and then he comes in for 1reb/2pts the rest of the way.

the team is officially comedic!

Posted by: divi3 | January 12, 2010 10:07 PM | Report abuse

and whose shoe did Mike James crap in to not get a single second in this debacle season anyway?

Posted by: divi3 | January 12, 2010 10:09 PM | Report abuse

Playing Earl Boykins at shooting guard should be a fireable offense

If he used McGuire there or Stevenson, they'd have how many more wins?

You think Saunders WANTS to give key minutes to Boykins? He knows how limited the guy is. At best Boykins is a fifth guard that you bring in for a quick burst offensively. Shake things up, et cetera. Otherwise he's a total liability especially defensively.

Saunders knows that. But he's got no other options.

Posted by: SteveMG | January 12, 2010 10:11 PM | Report abuse

I believe James is still out with the broken hand. He might have helped tonight -- maybe . . .

Posted by: JPRS | January 12, 2010 10:12 PM | Report abuse

Flip's decision to keep Haywood on the bench during pivotal stretches of the 4th has cost his team in each of the last two games.

Posted by: alvin4 | January 12, 2010 10:15 PM | Report abuse

If all these players are missing practice time in order to testify, how about postponing practice on non game days until the evening?

Duh.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | January 12, 2010 10:18 PM | Report abuse

"If he used McGuire there or Stevenson, they'd have how many more wins?

You think Saunders WANTS to give key minutes to Boykins?"

yes, i do think he wants to give earl minutes.

Posted by: divi3 | January 12, 2010 10:20 PM | Report abuse

alvin4,

There was no one personnel move that cost tonight's game.

However, shooting 17 percent for an entire quarter (2nd quarter) should raise an eyebrow or two.

Posted by: JPRS | January 12, 2010 10:22 PM | Report abuse

the team is officially comedic!

Posted by: divi3

Agreed.

As bad as this team plays, can somebody tell me what Flip is standing on the sidelines coaching throughout the game.

He might as well let the players coach themselves.

Could they do any worse, especially since it is all their fault and this has nothing to do with him.

Hell, if the players are so bad and they are not being influenced or carrying out his good counsel, then what is he perpetrating to be doing on the sidelines there.

Hell Flip, sit your butt down and let the players go on to be just bad all by themselves, since it is really all their fault, anyhows.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | January 12, 2010 10:22 PM | Report abuse

We had the key players come out 2-3 weeks ago and admit that they weren't following Saunders orders or directions or what they practiced.

But the blame is with him. Not the players.

We need to bring in another coach for the players to ignore.

And another. And another...

Eventually, at coach no. #345, the fog will clear.

Posted by: SteveMG | January 12, 2010 10:30 PM | Report abuse

"We had the key players come out 2-3 weeks ago and admit that they weren't following Saunders orders or directions or what they practiced.

But the blame is with him. Not the players."

how come it took until today for him to say he'd control play by sitting guys who dont listen? Little late to start putting your foot down aint it Flip?

Posted by: divi3 | January 12, 2010 10:33 PM | Report abuse

how come it took until today for him to say he'd control play by sitting guys who dont listen?

Maybe because he thought he'd treat his players like professionals? As he had done with other teams and that eventually they'd listen?

Okay, he was wrong.

But it's absurd to think, if you ask me, that 25-30 year old men have to be treated like high school players.

Posted by: SteveMG | January 12, 2010 10:39 PM | Report abuse

The main reason why Les BouleS lost tonight, besides not play defense, is that the entire scheme is based on guys just standing around the perimeter and shooting jumpers.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | January 12, 2010 10:41 PM | Report abuse

"Flip's decision to keep Haywood on the bench during pivotal stretches of the 4th has cost his team in each of the last two games."

The Wiz were down 6 when the 4th started with Haywood on the bench. They were down 4 when Haywood came in at about the 8 minute mark. He played the rest of the quarter, during which the Wiz were outscored 21 to 16.

Posted by: kalo_rama | January 12, 2010 10:47 PM | Report abuse

I'm Done. See ya.

Posted by: dovelevine | January 12, 2010 10:50 PM | Report abuse

Oh, and the Wiz were out rebounded by about 12-5 in the 4th as well.

Posted by: kalo_rama | January 12, 2010 10:52 PM | Report abuse

My Daughter is into the NBA and at age 12 really has a good feel for the game judged by her comments. She calls the Wiz the Bullets because I first became a great fan in 1967 and loved the Pearl, Gus , Wes, Jack Marin, Freddy Carter and hell, loved Archie Clark's killer crossover after Earl went to New York and Archie averaged 25!

Even before the Big E came here and then Bobby Dandridge, the Bullet's COMPETED and the effort was always there.

My Daughter looked up at me in the 4th quarter and simply said "Dad, I can't tell whether they just can't play or just don't care" She then said "The Pistons have most their best Players injured but they just try harder than the Bullets"

Jeez, what a discrace! My 12 year old sees this team for the Dog's they are. I told her that Bullet's Fans are ashamed of these Wizards and they would'nt even deserve to be called the Bullet's anyway!

F@#$%^ do I hate the name Wizards! Bless you Abe and RIP but how the F@#$% did this happen?

Posted by: jshavatt | January 12, 2010 11:09 PM | Report abuse

EG

Please,Please trade AJ and Caron along with Miller before they get hurt and you can get nothing for them. AJ is playing hard and extending a lot of minutes. We could be showcasing him. CB is getting worse and Nick young has become a soft as well,so he has to go. I say if you can trade CB and miller and blatche for TMAC do the deal. We will clear CB.s 9 mil of the books along with TMACs at the end of the year. We might be showcasing Haywood to and so the more he plays the more value we get. i know he wants to leave here badly.

Posted by: specialg7master | January 12, 2010 11:17 PM | Report abuse

What happened to the Major changes Flip promised? He said he was going to bench players that don't listen and yet we still have the same guys minus gil playing.

Posted by: specialg7master | January 12, 2010 11:23 PM | Report abuse

Mike Miller the same work ethic as Andray Blatche? That's absurd. I know of at least one guy who has said that Miller is the hardest working, most unselfish, and highest basketball IQ he's coached in years-HUBIE BROWN.

Comparing the work ethic of those two is stupid and it shows the intelligence level of some Wizards' fans. Right on par with about 75% of the Redskins fans here.

Lay blame on the medical/training staff for Miller's situation, which is where it needs to be. They have a bigger track record of screwing up injuries than most professional franchises. Seems like common sense to me where the blame should be placed.

Posted by: KellRawLive | January 13, 2010 10:27 AM | Report abuse

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