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Miller sore but will start again

Wizards Coach Flip Saunders said G-F Mike Miller was sore this morning, two days after a 104-97 victory over Southeast Division leader Orlando, and that he would be a game-time decision for today's 1 p.m. tip against New Orleans.

Miller apparently didn't need that long to decide and will be in the starting lineup at shooting guard. Against the Magic, Miller started and played in his first game since straining his right calf muscle on Nov. 21. He finished with six points in 39 minutes as the WIzards won their first game of the season against a division opponent.

Here's the rest of the starting lineup: PG Randy Foye, SF Caron Butler, PF Antawn Jamison, C Brendan Haywood.

By Gene Wang  |  January 10, 2010; 12:30 PM ET
 
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Actually, last Friday's win was their second win inside the division. They beat Miami the day after Thanksgiving. Maybe you meant first home win vs. a divisional opponent?

Posted by: rxs85 | January 10, 2010 12:45 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: The_Shadow_Knows | January 10, 2010 12:32 PM | Report abuse

Did you get by-line this from the old T.V. show from the forties? Remember "Light Out."

Posted by: glawrence007 | January 10, 2010 12:53 PM | Report abuse

And thank you Mr. LEE for composing a blurb about current basket-ball in D.C. I'm sure the players do.

Posted by: glawrence007 | January 10, 2010 12:55 PM | Report abuse

A lot of the shadowey things that are now being brought to light about Gilbert are telling for me.

Those of you that are familiar with my positions might recall that I hold of high importance in a Teams success the Organization and the Coach.

You see, their are many posters whom believe that winning mostly is the extreme responsibility of the players.

I have always believed that the Organization and the Coach are 1-2 or viceversa, then comes the players. It is why I became a fire Eddie banner waver.

You see it is ultimately the Organization and the Coach that must instill discipline, professionalism, good conduct, and a will to win, amongst it players.

Any organization that doesn't do this and demand this of their players will never be a winning organization.

It any players does not wish to conform to those principles, they should be quickly shown the door.

It is apparent that the Wizard organization, though appearing to hold these principles in high regard, did not run their organization this way.

So now that the wheels have come off, all the blame now gets thrown at the feet of it's players.

But my friends, bloggers alike, and those that look from a distance, hear ye, hear ye, The Wizard Organization also bear a huge responsibility for this mess.

This house has been undisciplined for years now. It is a shame that Antwann Jamison had to come out the other night to supposedly put this Organization on the right path it should have been on for years.

Does the comments of BulletsFan78 seem so outlandish now?

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | January 10, 2010 1:28 PM | Report abuse

An observation: the ball-movement on offense comes to a complete standstill when Earl enters the game. Instead of making the easy pass, he dribbles, and dribbles, and dribbles. Anybody know another Wizards "PG" who is notorious for this? He's been in the news lately...

Posted by: dfresh58 | January 10, 2010 1:52 PM | Report abuse

Tied game when he enters. Down 7 when he departs. Boykins adds no value. Total liability. Can't even get us into sets.

Posted by: alvin4 | January 10, 2010 2:02 PM | Report abuse

Dfresh58,

I wonder would that characteristic that hurts your Team would be anything that the Coach should be doing something about, whether it is Boykins or that other guy?

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | January 10, 2010 2:02 PM | Report abuse

Flip has been clueless all season. No feel for matchups or rotations. His allegiance to Boykins, leaving us undersized on defense, and unable to initiate the offense, is just one of his many shortcomings. That Grunfeld has assembled guard heavy roster (Boykins, Stevenson, Mike James, etc.), not one that can function as a decent backup pg, is pathetic as well.

Posted by: alvin4 | January 10, 2010 2:11 PM | Report abuse

Can we get Mike James please or go big with NY or Miller or DS at the PG spot off the bench because I cant stand to watch Boykins anymore. He kills us every time he comes in now. He's too small to score anymore, he's too small to look over the D, he holds the ball way too much, he acts like he is the star, and he gets lit up on D every time. Flip has to stop the love affair

Posted by: dlts20 | January 10, 2010 2:16 PM | Report abuse

Larry,
I would imagine Flip has had numerous discussions with Gilbert where Gil nods enthusiactically but then goes back to what he was doing.

Posted by: The_Shadow_Knows | January 10, 2010 2:28 PM | Report abuse

enthusiastically ...sorry for typo

Posted by: The_Shadow_Knows | January 10, 2010 2:30 PM | Report abuse

Question for the legal beagles.

Arenas being suspended by the League, not allowed to travel w/team or attend games, but still from my understanding could practice at the VC, does he have a right to us the VC facilities, or is that up to the Wizards?

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | January 10, 2010 2:35 PM | Report abuse

Something noticeable that I have been sayin' all along, this Team is much better in transition UpTemPo.

Without Gilbert constantly controlling the flow they are much more inclined to move the ball by committee at a much faster pace.

This also makes Haywood better ironically because he is a big that runs the floor.

And this may be premature and probably is, we thought that Haywood had his break out year because he got to play 'cause Etan was hurt, but it also could be because of the fact the Gilbert wasn't running the Offense.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | January 10, 2010 2:51 PM | Report abuse

Ok Kal,
I am dying to hear your rationalization of Brendan's recent play. About 10 games into the season you were eager to point out Brendan's low FG % despite his career numbers being at 52%. Now he is over his career shooting percentage at 53%, is rebounding well and blocking shots regularly. To what to attribute....the old contract year stuff?

I have stated numerous times previously that Brendan shoots a high percentage and shoot get more touches inside. Gil never looked for Haywood regardless of who he was matched up against. Now Gil is gone and Brendan is getting a few more touches and the results are pretty clear. Yes, only two games but there were hundreds where he was marginalized to the detriment of the team.

Posted by: The_Shadow_Knows | January 10, 2010 2:52 PM | Report abuse

should get more touches

Posted by: The_Shadow_Knows | January 10, 2010 2:53 PM | Report abuse

Asked if he regretted any situations and how they handled Arenas and his antics, Grunfeld added: "People are responsible for their own actions. If someone takes their own actions, they have to be ready to accept the consequences and not look to deflect blame elsewhere."


I hope someone has this quote handy to remind EG when his behind gets fired and kicked to the curb.

You, EG, are responsible for giving this overgrown child the keys to the franchise.

Posted by: p1funk | January 10, 2010 2:53 PM | Report abuse

Ernest young men should be over-ruled by older wiser heads. Where is management? MILLER out for the second half.

Instead of one and done for the HORNETS at the end of the third, they get two more chances to score. Fortunately, thanks mainly to DARIUS they don't, but man, the WIZARDS sure don't make anything easy do they?

I always liked SONGAILA from his days at WAKE, but boy, am I glad the N.O. franchise has him and we don't.

Posted by: glawrence007 | January 10, 2010 2:54 PM | Report abuse

DeShawn Stevenson took to the court during pregame warmups with the words "AGENT" and "ZERO"

The first shoe was in honor of his legal representative and the second was his shooting percentage.

Posted by: SteveMG | January 10, 2010 2:58 PM | Report abuse

"To what to attribute....the old contract year stuff?"

WOOD has something to prove going forward. Contract year, probably part of it. But he's never realized his potential and now he has the chance. I don't think he's going to let it pass him by IF he has a final retirement contract. Right now he's ONLY pulling down 6 mill a year. He wants the big money . Must have heard that the WIZ were getting out from under the ARENAS shadow.

Posted by: glawrence007 | January 10, 2010 3:00 PM | Report abuse

It is apparent that the Wizard organization, though appearing to hold these principles in high regard, did not run their organization this way.

So now that the wheels have come off, all the blame now gets thrown at the feet of it's players.

But my friends, bloggers alike, and those that look from a distance, hear ye, hear ye, The Wizard Organization also bear a huge responsibility for this mess.

This house has been undisciplined for years now. It is a shame that Antwann Jamison had to come out the other night to supposedly put this Organization on the right path it should have been on for years.

Does the comments of BulletsFan78 seem so outlandish now?

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | January 10, 2010 1:28 PM | Report abuse

As you today I have been complaining for years about ABE POLLIN's stewardship of this franchise. If he's allied himself with a GM who knows how to pick and trade for talent, but has no feel for the difference between ability and a basketball player, then it will become appaarant to all here. I'm beginning to think along those lines, and rather than defending EG as I consistantly have up to now, I question some of the intellectual property he's acquired for this team, and the laissez-faire attitude of some of the players. Having great talent doesn't always equate with a great player.

Posted by: glawrence007 | January 10, 2010 3:06 PM | Report abuse

glawrence007,
Agreed and if the Wiz are able to void the Arenas contract it means there is a pile of cash sitting there at the end of the season. It did not look possible for Wiz to resign him previously but that could be changing.

Posted by: The_Shadow_Knows | January 10, 2010 3:07 PM | Report abuse

BUCKHANTZ:

"....and FLIP SAUNDERS wants a time out."

MY response:

"I guess he does. I guess he does." Another winnable game hangs in the balance with 3:43 to go. Value the ball. Will the WIZ focus and pull it out, or give the game away after a decent effort.

Posted by: glawrence007 | January 10, 2010 3:14 PM | Report abuse

Case-in-point. Great one-dimensional talent......scoring. Passing, not so much. Defense, showing a bit after THREE years, but a long way to go to be a lock-down defender.

Well, those who wanted the young guys in there, you got your wish. And the new guys. FOYE great offense today, but a real liability on the defensive end.

Posted by: glawrence007 | January 10, 2010 3:22 PM | Report abuse

3 tunovers in the last two minutes - game over. Too bad but at least the effort has dramtically improved these last two games.

Posted by: The_Shadow_Knows | January 10, 2010 3:23 PM | Report abuse

And McGEE on the bench in streets. Not yucking it up at the moment. I wonder if that fine got his attention more than the temporary DNP-CD.

Posted by: glawrence007 | January 10, 2010 3:25 PM | Report abuse

I think most of you know where i stand on the Arena/guns situation but the recent revelation that he actually defecated in Andray Blatche's shoes just about does it for me, it is total disrespect for a fellow teamate and human being,being a prankster is one thing but having to always be the center of attention is another(almost like a spoiled uncontrollable child)the incident concerning Blatche was uncalled for and show's a lack of maturity not to mention it's unsanitary and could lead to seroius bacteria issues in the locker room(a place that can harbor life threatning bacteria)what was Arenas thinking and who did he think would clean it up? The Wizards orginization is at fault for incidents like this and for allowing Arenas to go unchecked he should have been told that disrespect of coach's and fellow teamates would not be tolerated under any circumstance's and no off the court goodwill can atone for a lack of common sense and doing the right thing at the end of the day though, it is Gilbert Arenas who should have known better whether it is the sickening incident with Blatche or guns in the locker room it is Glibert Arenas should bear full responsibility.

Posted by: dargregmag | January 10, 2010 3:25 PM | Report abuse

Those that have been following ARENAS' lead in the thinking department better have a quick, and I mean quick attitudinal adjustment.

Posted by: glawrence007 | January 10, 2010 3:30 PM | Report abuse

ACCOUNTABILITY is the banner that should now be hanging on the side of the phone booth, and I don't mean just for the players. STERN has an eye on everybody from ownership, to management, to the players.

Posted by: glawrence007 | January 10, 2010 3:32 PM | Report abuse

"......what was Arenas thinking......"

I think that's the point.

Posted by: glawrence007 | January 10, 2010 3:36 PM | Report abuse

Wow, that was some 3 point shooting exhibition the Hornets put on. Hard to beat any team that shoots from the arc like that. Otherwise the Wiz played pretty well.

I remember reading that one reason the Wolves were willing to trade Foye was his struggles defensively against really quick PGs like Chris Paul. He's better against bigger guards. At Villanova they had a four guard scheme where he even defended 6'8" forwards. He just isn't quick enough to stay with the really fast guys. But you can see he's a keeper.

Posted by: Samson151 | January 10, 2010 3:37 PM | Report abuse

Sounds like someone's a little poop-phobic.

Posted by: mike8 | January 10, 2010 3:42 PM | Report abuse

Once Foye made the three and Paul came back down the court with the ball, he did not get up on Paul and pressure him. Paul calmly dribbled the ball to his choosing and when ready went up and shot the three.

I see this laying of the dribbler out on the floor as being a common style of defense throughout the League.

However, this burns me up, for you must always pressure the man with the ball to gain an equal advantage.

If you don't pressure the ball then he, Paul in this case has the advantage and the comfort to do as he pleases, and he shot an easy three.

There are still too many cases of poor defense coming from a lack of philosophy rather than a lack of physical ability that most always want to criticize players for.

Defense is not always about physical ability, it is the defensive intelligence that most times kills you.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | January 10, 2010 3:46 PM | Report abuse

Much improved effort against a hot Hornets squad. CP is a monster. Guess there's no way to get the ball out of his hands the end of games. Flip's decision to sit Haywood until only 4 minutes remained in the 4th was problematic. Moreover, our bench is just murdering us. Blatche and Boykins are complete negatives backing up the 1&4. Their collective +/- was a disaster. You telling me we can 't find anything better in the D-League.

Posted by: alvin4 | January 10, 2010 3:54 PM | Report abuse

Looks like Deshawn Stevenson is trying to get traded by wearing that "Agent Zero" crap around his ankles.

Oops, I said "crap!" Hide your shoes. ;)

"I'm beginning to think along those lines, and rather than defending EG as I consistantly have up to now, I question some of the intellectual property he's acquired for this team."

I think the first thing Ted Leonsis should do is fire EG immediately after he takes the reigns. This is as much his fault as anyone elses. Another example of Abe trusting the wrong people to run his team for the last 20+ years.

The Wiz had too many turnovers today, but they played a good team hard. The only team I think that blew them out this year are Atlanta and Cleveland.

I still think the only thing saving this team is if they make the playoffs AND Gil's contract gets voided.

Otherwise there's no point.

Oh, and one more thing for all of you people saying the Wiz are railroading Gil. Remember, after he got hurt they still gave him a $111 mil contract AND let him sit for TWO years and then he does stupid stuff like what he's done the last couple weeks, not to mention get throwing his previous coach under the bus...pooping in shoes...man that's just gross.

Anyway, I'm just getting tired of hearing "poor/free Gil" from all of these people who have no clue what they are talking about.

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | January 10, 2010 4:12 PM | Report abuse

Blatche's effectiveness is negated when playing him as a sub for Haywood as I have been saying.

His effectiveness and the Team's effectiveness as well is much more profound to play him with Haywood. Leaving Haywood sitting for that long especially with the game he was having is Jordanlike' coaching.

I don't understand what Flip is seeking to achieve by playing Blatche behind Haywood. It doesn't add anything to the Team. Darius Songaila was able to drive to the basket and score with Blatche in the middle. A caveman could see that Blatche should not be playing center by himself. Good Grief.

It isn't like we loose anything by playing Blatche and Haywood together. We actually gain, but for some reason Flip does not want to use them together extensively.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | January 10, 2010 4:15 PM | Report abuse

"I would imagine Flip has had numerous discussions with Gilbert where Gil nods enthusiactically but then goes back to what he was doing."

My thoughts also.

"Arenas being suspended by the League, not allowed to travel w/team or attend games, but still from my understanding could practice at the VC, does he have a right to us the VC facilities, or is that up to the Wizards?"

It's my understanding "no" but don't quote me on that. :)

I'm sure they don't want that guy anywhere near the team right now the way things are.

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | January 10, 2010 4:15 PM | Report abuse

They fall into the same old problem again, turning the ball over at the crucial time!

Cannot believe NY jumped up in air and threw the ball away 2 consecutive times!

On the bright side, both Jamison and Haywood had two consecutive god games,and the team didn't seem to give up!

However, Miller's injury is worrisome. With Gilbert out, Wizards need him to even have a chance!

Posted by: sagaliba | January 10, 2010 4:22 PM | Report abuse

I see this laying of[f] the dribbler out on the floor as being a common style of defense throughout the League.

However, this burns me up, for you must always pressure......

The best teams do that, then have a plan B and C to follow up.

Posted by: glawrence007 | January 10, 2010 4:23 PM | Report abuse

"It doesnt bother me that he crapped in ABs shoes.

The problem I wish management would have addressed is that he spent so much time thinking about and setting up elaborate pranks etc. There's simply no time for THAT much focus on goofing if a team is serious about WINNING.

Cant blame Gil for signing the deal they put in front of him, or that he didnt change after never showing any signs of changing.

Posted by: divi3 | January 10, 2010 12:58 PM | Report abuse "

I hope you feel the same if someone shat in your shoes at work.

Serious about winning in the locker room?

As I said, blame the captains.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | January 10, 2010 4:29 PM | Report abuse

"The Wise-Lee article today confirmed what I had assumed and have been saying here for weeks. An Ernie Grunfeld led franchise was providing no discipline in the face of a star player who was out of control. They allowed Gilbert to undercut Eddie Jordan and do what he wanted with little threat of punishment. It doesn't excuse Gilbert but, to me, it means Grunfeld can't be the GM to lead this franchise going forward. It's too bad. I generally think he's a good deal-maker, although he's made some mistakes (e.g., Etan and Roger Mason). But he's also smart enough not to trade our best players for garbage. If Leonsis is going to make his move, now's the time to do it, so the Polin sons aren't green-lighting deals Leonsis won't like.

Posted by: jweber1 | January 10, 2010 12:25 PM | Report abuse "

Gilby should know better, no matter how much slack he was given.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | January 10, 2010 4:30 PM | Report abuse

"A lot of the shadowey things that are now being brought to light about Gilbert are telling for me.

Those of you that are familiar with my positions might recall that I hold of high importance in a Teams success the Organization and the Coach.

You see, their are many posters whom believe that winning mostly is the extreme responsibility of the players.

I have always believed that the Organization and the Coach are 1-2 or viceversa, then comes the players. It is why I became a fire Eddie banner waver.

You see it is ultimately the Organization and the Coach that must instill discipline, professionalism, good conduct, and a will to win, amongst it players.

Any organization that doesn't do this and demand this of their players will never be a winning organization.

It any players does not wish to conform to those principles, they should be quickly shown the door.

It is apparent that the Wizard organization, though appearing to hold these principles in high regard, did not run their organization this way.

So now that the wheels have come off, all the blame now gets thrown at the feet of it's players.

But my friends, bloggers alike, and those that look from a distance, hear ye, hear ye, The Wizard Organization also bear a huge responsibility for this mess.

This house has been undisciplined for years now. It is a shame that Antwann Jamison had to come out the other night to supposedly put this Organization on the right path it should have been on for years.

Does the comments of BulletsFan78 seem so outlandish now?

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | January 10, 2010 1:28 PM | Report abuse "

I knew someone would try to use the organization as an excuse.

The same way Gilby blamed the organization from not protecting him from himself with his injury.

Gilby was stupid before he came here, and will continue to be stupid after he leaves.

Stupid is what stupid does, and made worse when they have money in the bank.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | January 10, 2010 4:33 PM | Report abuse

Yes, Haywood adn Blatche used together would be optimal, but Flip can't seem to noodle it. Had it too with his constant refrain that Zards defensive liabilities are teh result of a "lack of effort" rather than his ineffective design, and lack of any discernible defensive principles. His decision to constantly leave us thin in the paint, often at pivotal moments in a game, has cost us all season as other teams drive it down our throats.

Posted by: alvin4 | January 10, 2010 4:46 PM | Report abuse

LMFAO!

MeShawn Stevenson wore ankle bands today with Gilby's name on them, either in support or in protest.

Guess what?

Dumbf#ck didn't get into the game.

DNP....coaches decision!

LMFAO!

http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/34793250/ns/sports-nba/

http://scores.espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=300110027

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | January 10, 2010 4:54 PM | Report abuse

Man, how much monitoring does the Wizards management have to do for adult men? A guy is taking a dump in another guy's shoes? What is this a fraternity filled with 18 year olds?

My objection is not necessarily that the Wizards didn't come down on Arenas; it's that they had to.

Adults? Professionals?

Apparently not.

Arenas is gone. Rightfully so.

Posted by: SteveMG | January 10, 2010 5:02 PM | Report abuse

I hope you feel the same if someone shat in your shoes at work.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | January 10, 2010 4:29 PM | Report abuse

Funniest thing I've read all day! Indeed, "shat" is the past tense form, and the past participle. Thus: 'Gil had shat copiously in his teammate's shoe.'

Now to a different point, if Gil is gone, who will you next tie to your virtual whipping post, DC? It looks like AJ, who you call MeTawn. Always have to go after the team star, don't you? Curious.

Posted by: 7snider7 | January 10, 2010 5:35 PM | Report abuse

The Wizards looked pretty good in stretches -- the starting 5 with Miller in particular has looked pretty good. They seem to start having problems though once they start substituting players. The effort was inconsistent too -- great at points, but flat for stretches too. Too many mental lapses.

As far as the Wise-Lee article goes -- great reporting. For all the good that Grunfeld has done as a GM -- and there are a lot of really smart moves -- the Arenas contract and his indulgence of Arenas are factors that could cost him his job.

Posted by: JPRS | January 10, 2010 5:43 PM | Report abuse

"I hope you feel the same if someone shat in your shoes at work."

Rookies catch hell in every sport, and it's a far cry from an office job. You should know that.

Team loses a close one through self-destructing while Flip shows no signs of being a coach whose won 50 games consistently.

Business as usual!

Posted by: divi3 | January 10, 2010 6:01 PM | Report abuse

AB

17mins, 0 on 0-0, 3 TOs, and a -16

Does 'dray play better with a crap toe?

Posted by: divi3 | January 10, 2010 6:09 PM | Report abuse

Notice how all these anecdotes about Gilbert's conduct are coming out now, rather than when they happened?

And unattributed for the most part.

Posted by: Samson151 | January 10, 2010 6:40 PM | Report abuse

knew someone would try to use the organization as an excuse.

The same way Gilby blamed the organization from not protecting him from himself with his injury.

Gilby was stupid before he came here, and will continue to be stupid after he leaves.

Stupid is what stupid does, and made worse when they have money in the bank.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | January 10, 2010 4:33 PM

My good fella. What part of demanding good conduct and discipline by the organization don't you understood.

Why wait till some stupid act requires the league attention when according to you the culprit was a moron and stupido from the very beginning.

I am not giving Gilbert a pass on the crap he has been dumping, nor I am giving the Organization a pass either.

What can't you understand about that?

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | January 10, 2010 6:52 PM | Report abuse

So is Mike "The Savior" Miller out again? Sucks he tweaked the calf again, when it was already sore. I didnt see the injury, did it look bad?

Posted by: divi3 | January 10, 2010 6:57 PM | Report abuse

Divi3,

Why did we have to start him anyway? Makes too much sense to ease him back I guess.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | January 10, 2010 7:20 PM | Report abuse

Leadership starts at the top... bottom line.
Grunfeld and his staff by allowing a player to sh*t in a teammates shoe w/o being publicly fined and separated from the team have created a situation that has become what it has become. All things considered those at the top just sh*t on themselves.

Posted by: horace1 | January 10, 2010 7:28 PM | Report abuse

"Why did we have to start him anyway? Makes too much sense to ease him back I guess."

He's a FA and wont be here next season, so I suppose it doesnt matter that much.

Posted by: divi3 | January 10, 2010 7:45 PM | Report abuse

"Rookies catch hell in every sport, and it's a far cry from an office job. You should know that."

No sh@t (so to speak). If anyone thinks that's the worse hazing a rookie's ever received, they're fooling themselves.

Posted by: kalo_rama | January 10, 2010 8:27 PM | Report abuse

"Rookies catch hell in every sport, and it's a far cry from an office job. You should know that."

No sh@t (so to speak). If anyone thinks that's the worse hazing a rookie's ever received, they're fooling themselves.

Posted by: kalo_rama

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True -- although the franchise player shouldn't be wasting that much time and energy on those activities. It's one thing to have the guy get food and carry bags, it's another for the franchise player to sh-t in a guy's shoe.

Posted by: JPRS | January 10, 2010 9:24 PM | Report abuse

"True -- although the franchise player shouldn't be wasting that much time and energy on those activities. It's one thing to have the guy get food and carry bags, it's another for the franchise player to sh-t in a guy's shoe.

Posted by: JPRS | January 10, 2010 9:24 PM | Report abuse "

It's not just appalling, but disgusting.

Also, it probably didn't matter whether AB was a rookie or not....this BS is ridiculous.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | January 10, 2010 9:35 PM | Report abuse

"My good fella. What part of demanding good conduct and discipline by the organization don't you understood.

Why wait till some stupid act requires the league attention when according to you the culprit was a moron and stupido from the very beginning.

I am not giving Gilbert a pass on the crap he has been dumping, nor I am giving the Organization a pass either.

What can't you understand about that?

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | January 10, 2010 6:52 PM | Report abuse "

The organization is not your mom or your dad.

It's a business.

It appears that the organization did everything to try to help the situation, and because Gilby was the star of the team, they didn't have much leverage over him.

It is what it is, and when you give a stupid individual enough rope, they will hang themselves.

Gilby is not the first, and won't be the last, but the franchise will still be here.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | January 10, 2010 9:37 PM | Report abuse

"Notice how all these anecdotes about Gilbert's conduct are coming out now, rather than when they happened?

And unattributed for the most part.

Posted by: Samson151 | January 10, 2010 6:40 PM | Report abuse "

Sorry, but I predicted his demise a long time ago....and said it enough times....to deaf ears and blind eyes.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | January 10, 2010 9:38 PM | Report abuse

It's not just appalling, but disgusting.

Also, it probably didn't matter whether AB was a rookie or not....this BS is ridiculous.

Posted by: DC_MAN88

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Agreed. There's definitely a line between "team building" exercises and just outright harassment. I suspect the line is probably different in different sports.

One of the best responses that I remember from high school days -- a guy on the freshmen football team was just catching hell from one of the seniors -- it got so bad that they guy told his dad about it. His dad showed up the next day in the high school parking lot, and told the senior that he'd kill him if he ever messed with his son again -- he was absolutely serious. The senior never messed with his son again.

Posted by: JPRS | January 10, 2010 10:10 PM | Report abuse

"True -- although the franchise player shouldn't be wasting that much time and energy on those activities."

I doubt taking a crap in someone's shoes is really a time-intensive endeavor.

Posted by: kalo_rama | January 10, 2010 11:21 PM | Report abuse

"True -- although the franchise player shouldn't be wasting that much time and energy on those activities."

I doubt taking a crap in someone's shoes is really a time-intensive endeavor.

Posted by: kalo_rama

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Getting a teammates car keys and making arrangements to put the car on blocks is (not once but twice).

Crap in the shoe isn't labor intensive. Just ill-advised.

Maybe there's something to be said about keeping things loose in the locker room -- and pranks are part of that. I'd be curious to see how much time the Greats like MJ, Magic, Kobe, even LeBron spent on those kind of side activities once they became established players.

Posted by: JPRS | January 10, 2010 11:29 PM | Report abuse

"Getting a teammates car keys and making arrangements to put the car on blocks is (not once but twice)."

Yeah, I'm sure the 30-60 minutes it took him to pull that off could have been better spent curing cancer or solving the economic crisis.

It was a silly prank of the kind that get played in locker rooms in all sports at all levels.

Posted by: kalo_rama | January 10, 2010 11:41 PM | Report abuse

I am SO over the Earl Boykins novelty act. Their is a reason he was out of the league and had played for too many teams to keep track of. If I hear about his 315 lb bench press one more time, I will put a contract out on the play by play, analyst or color guy within a New York minute! Enough of this guy already!

Flip, will you please STOP playing Blatche at Center? Please substitute/start guys by taking advantage of what they do best to minimize their weaknesses. Your rotation of Subs is horrible. Their are many times I do not think that you know what you are doing. Flip, play to the Teams STRENGTHS and get Javale in the game for 10-15 minutes a game. Help This Guy become what he will be for another Team if you do not start Coaching him up in GAME SITUATIONS!

I like this team with Miller and Foye starting at guard! Get Caron in places on the court where he can get his shot off and COACH CB out of the head fakes before shooting as well as developing a short shot of some type like a floater or half hook to stop him from turning the ball over when driving or getting the offensive foul so often. CB can play but needs to improve finishing a drive like he did his first few years here that he apparently has forgotten.

Flip, If we as Fans can see these obvious issues, why can't you and then COACH these very good athletes on some F!@#$ fundementals!

Posted by: jshavatt | January 10, 2010 11:52 PM | Report abuse

"Getting a teammates car keys and making arrangements to put the car on blocks is (not once but twice)."

Yeah, I'm sure the 30-60 minutes it took him to pull that off could have been better spent curing cancer or solving the economic crisis.

It was a silly prank of the kind that get played in locker rooms in all sports at all levels.

Posted by: kalo_rama

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Breaking into a teammates hotel room, stealing keys, overnighting keys to a friend in another city, and then having the car jacked up and the rims removed may happen at the pro level; definitely not at the high school level. I'd be surprised if it even happened at the collegiate level.

Curing cancer and solving the economic crisis isn't necessary. Simply using that time to improve defensive skills, or going over game film would be sufficient.

Posted by: JPRS | January 11, 2010 12:58 AM | Report abuse

What fool ur expecting a different result using the same method. The lizs are dead there's or nor was there any BIG 3, a figure of the press imagination. Flip some of you think is the answer NOT what you're seeing out on the floor playing is WHAT NOW WILL BE KNOWN AS THE MINN TIM OF THE EAST. Jaminson needs to go Butler needs to go trade Blance also, cut Stevenson, put Mike Miller on will hurt self soon list, But really you're seeing a very bad team that can't play togeather, don't have the BB instincts. WHAT'S THE DEAL WITH MCGUIRE, MCGEE? YOU RATHER PLAY A TWO STIFFS THAN A MORE ATHLETIC PLAY WITH MORE UPSIDE

Posted by: getagripped | January 11, 2010 8:21 AM | Report abuse

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