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Morning brew: Arenas still hanging over our heads

Happy Monday, everyone. It's the start of a new week, though last week's news could just continue to carry over as Michael Lee and Mike Wise continue their Gilbert watching. In case you missed, Lee and Wise wrote an A1 story Sunday about Arenas and the entitlement that went on during his time with the Wizards. Oh, and pranks, some of which were more disturbing than others.

Of more recent note, Michael Lee was on hand for Sunday's 115-110 loss to the Hornets at Verizon Center. In addition to the game story, Mr. Lee also had some more thoughts on the blog about the game, particularly about Mike Miller. Oh, and the D.C. Sports Bog wrote about DeShawn Stevenson's Gilbert tribute.

Elsewhere, Noam Scheiber of The New Republic provides a defense of sorts of Arenas. It's the critics who he takes issue with. He fully grants that what Arenas did was wrong.

Dan Le Batard of the Miami Herald says Arenas was wrong, but so was the suspension handed down by Commissioner David Stern.

The New York Times has a piece describing the legal implications for Arenas.

Mike Prada of Bullets Forever got a pretty good discussion going over the weekend about what the long-term implications of the Arenas situation has on people's fandom.

As usual, highlights courtesy of NBA.com below:

Around the league...

Six games on Sunday's schedule, and NBA.com's Daily Zap gets you all caught up:

By Ed Guzman  |  January 11, 2010; 10:04 AM ET
Categories:  Morning brew  | Tags: Washington Wizards; NBA; Gilbert Arenas; Antawn Jamison; Flip Saunders; Caron Butler  
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good stories from Le Batard and Scheiber. the way this is playing out is amazing to me.

BTW, why does flip ride Eminem so hard when he's clearly still hurting. I've never seen a coach force so many minutes on a guy who's not "fit to play". the triple 6 stat line the other night was cool, and he always plays the complete game,but if he can't stay healthy i don't know why he's getting so much burn right away.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | January 11, 2010 10:22 AM | Report abuse

BTW, why does flip ride Eminem so hard when he's clearly still hurting. I've never seen a coach force so many minutes on a guy who's not "fit to play". the triple 6 stat line the other night was cool, and he always plays the complete game,but if he can't stay healthy i don't know why he's getting so much burn right away.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | January 11, 2010 10:22 AM | Report abuse

Which option would you chose if you were FLIP SAUNDERS? NICK YOUNG? He of the expert ball-handling skills? PLUEEZE. These one-dimensional talents on the WIZARDS just don't cut it. MM provides flow to the offensive game, like the MAGIC game a triple six-pack. BOYKINS, YOUNG don't.

Posted by: glawrence007 | January 11, 2010 10:37 AM | Report abuse

agreed.i'm just talking bout all the mins he's getting fresh off injury. I think MM even said in the last thread that he thinks he may have come back too soon. The problem now is finding out when he'll be available for another "triple six-pack" or maybe even full strength.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | January 11, 2010 10:50 AM | Report abuse

oh yeah and glawrence MM had 3 tos yesterday. NY had 2, not a huge diff, but you prolly only remember NY's 2 tos cuz they were in the 4th q. you know the q when NY had 8pts while MM was unavailable after reinjuring his calf (due to logging more mins than expected vs.ORL).

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | January 11, 2010 10:54 AM | Report abuse

wow in fact i think the only category MM did better than NY was TOs. he had 1 more TO in 22 less mins. But i see your point too.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | January 11, 2010 10:56 AM | Report abuse

Mike Miller is a gamer, but considering that his contract is expiring it has to be in his own best interest to avoid aggravating his injuries.

The Wizards played hard yesterday but were done in by two familiar problems, inability to stop the opponents from hitting 3-pointers and inability to protect the ball at critical times in the game.

Flip I think kept Brendan off the floor a bit too long in Q4, but that did not hurt as much as the turnovers by Young and Foye, which undercut some otherwise good offensive production from both men.

It is almost time for the trade winds to start blowing (they may reach gale proportions here) but I, for one, believe the Wizards should be reluctant to part with Antawn Jamison. His defense may not be the greatest, but he is still a highly productive offensive player and seems to have taken enough care of his body that he could actually finish the term of his contract with no more than a 10% drop-off in productivity.

Butler, on the other hand, will never be worth any more in trade than he is right now. And Haywood raises a very interesting set of questions. He is playing brilliantly but will command a fairly big contract next year. A team like Portland needs him right now, either as a half-season rental or as long term insurance against Oden's recurring problems.

Interesting times yet again....

Posted by: khrabb | January 11, 2010 10:57 AM | Report abuse

Which option would you chose if you were FLIP SAUNDERS? NICK YOUNG? He of the expert ball-handling skills? PLUEEZE. These one-dimensional talents on the WIZARDS just don't cut it. MM provides flow to the offensive game, like the MAGIC game a triple six-pack. BOYKINS, YOUNG don't.

You still don't have to ride him that hard. Nick had a hot hand and was actually playing well (hustling for loose balls, making good passes) You make due, play Young and McGuire, or go with the big lineup with Jamison at the 3 even though Blatche played like someone crapped in his shoes.

Posted by: SDMDTSU | January 11, 2010 10:58 AM | Report abuse

Gil has exhibited poor judgement and made a series a bad decisions. That's not questioned.

But it's very dissappointing to see (almost) the entire organization and (almost) the entire city turn its back on him.

Posted by: moment_i | January 11, 2010 11:15 AM | Report abuse

agreed moment_i ;
also its sad that so many take such a hateful attitude towards people and events that that do not significantly affect their lives.

Posted by: millineumman | January 11, 2010 11:19 AM | Report abuse

also its sad that so many take such a hateful attitude towards people and events that that do not significantly affect their lives.

Man I couldn't have said it better myself. To have that much negativity towards another human being you don't even personally know...that's sad.

Posted by: SDMDTSU | January 11, 2010 11:25 AM | Report abuse

thanx SD, for addressing the real point of my post. why play MM so much off the break when you have guys you can spell him with for a few mins. The triple 6 is good and all, but i sure woulda liked to have him in the game down the stretch during the 4th q yesterday instead of my boy NY. I also woulda liked to see a coupla time outs and plays run in the final mins if we had any T.O.s left. The guys needed to calm down CB and NY were trying too hard. They needed their coach to send them out there with a purpose not just run up and down. AJ also disappeared at about the 6 minute mark, not scoring again until he hit a coupla garbage bucket layups inside of 30 secs. his 32 kept us in the game, but we needed a lil more from the other guys when he cooled off.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | January 11, 2010 11:26 AM | Report abuse

DAN LE BATARD sums up this incident best. He also sums up in his last sentence Wizards management and their treatment of Gil.

As an aside, the original report that started all this mess doesn't appear to be true. Does that matter at all? The New York Post reported that Arenas and a teammate pulled guns on each other. None of the subsequent details support that. So what you have now is Arenas losing his paycheck and perhaps his contract because he mocked a story that wasn't true. This while Wizards management conveniently shuffles away from him with its arbitrary morality. Washington stinks, and management gave him a bad $111 million contract. Dwyane Wade, LeBron James and Kobe Bryant would get better from their own bosses.

Posted by: 33dgriffin | January 11, 2010 11:26 AM | Report abuse

Nick Young may still be part of the team's future (i hope so, but doubt it), meanwhile Miller is gone after this season.

So really, I dont care what Miller does while he's on the floor as the team is going nowhere this season and Miller wont be here next.

NY should be getting 40mins a night!

How come Haywood always goes 5-5 in the 1st quarter and then 2-2 the rest of the game? Gil's no longer on the floor so the 'arenas ballhog' excuse done dried up.

Posted by: divi3 | January 11, 2010 11:27 AM | Report abuse

I think Nick is going to stick around. He's finally starting to make some nice plays. It's good to see because he has all the talent in the world. A natural scorer. We NEED that. He's the only person on the roster now that can put up 30-40 points and make it look easy.

How come Haywood always goes 5-5 in the 1st quarter and then 2-2 the rest of the game? Gil's no longer on the floor so the 'arenas ballhog' excuse done dried up.

Because Haywood has no offensive game. He scores off putbacks of offensive rebounds.

This season, no matter what happens will be the result of Gilbert. If they play better and win, it's because they play better with Gil. If they lose, it's because Gil isn't there.

Posted by: SDMDTSU | January 11, 2010 11:38 AM | Report abuse

"Man I couldn't have said it better myself. To have that much negativity towards another human being you don't even personally know...that's sad.

Posted by: SDMDTSU"

it's resentment over the CAKE these athletes pull in. People like DC_MANN see the majority of them as inferior-minded, borderline hoodlums....who make MILLIONS for playing a game.

Wouldnt preach on and on about them if signing bonuses were $10k instead of $10mill, and wouldn't savor their troubles either.

Posted by: divi3 | January 11, 2010 11:42 AM | Report abuse

I'm 180degrees on NY, he can and will be a player. Would be foolish to move him.

But I'm afraid he laughed too much at doo-doo shoe, and has probably been an accomplice for who knows how many Arenas pranks. May have burned his bridge.

Hope not though, the scoring is obviously there and you can clearly see the defensive potential when he puts his mind to it.

Posted by: divi3 | January 11, 2010 11:45 AM | Report abuse

it's resentment over the CAKE these athletes pull in. People like DC_MANN see the majority of them as inferior-minded, borderline hoodlums....who make MILLIONS for playing a game.

I was at the strip club with this chick this weekend and I had the same conversation. She was like stripping is wrong, I'm like don't knock her for making more money than you make for doing something that you don't. She's making money whether you like it or not.

For the record...I only went to the strip club because I like the food. =\

Posted by: SDMDTSU | January 11, 2010 11:47 AM | Report abuse

Yes, I am glad to see that several points of view by most of us about this Gilbert affair is validated from the objectve analysis's that Mike cites.

Also, the way that the Wizards has handled Arenas is like tolerating a bad marriage for too long and now that they are divorcing themselves of him, but accepting no blame in the situation and they also want to keep all the money.

And as I posted before, Mike Miller should have been eased gradually back into the lineup. Flip should have known this and the lack of play by NY or anyone else should play no role in the decision.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | January 11, 2010 11:49 AM | Report abuse

"I was at the strip club with this chick this weekend"

me and lilhollywood will see you at Louie Rogue after the Pistons game!

Posted by: divi3 | January 11, 2010 11:56 AM | Report abuse

i'm there fareal if yall r going

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | January 11, 2010 11:57 AM | Report abuse

How come Haywood always goes 5-5 in the 1st quarter and then 2-2 the rest of the game? Gil's no longer on the floor so the 'arenas ballhog' excuse done dried up.

Posted by: divi3 | January 11, 2010 11:27 AM

Can't see how you arrived at this conclusion in only 2 games. And you must did not see the last game. There is no way you could have and drawn that conclusion, if you had.

Also, the Wizards as the game goes along stop including the extra pass in their offense. Hence, as the game goes along Haywood gets less and less touches.

This is one part of the game that Miller would provide help at throughout the game.

And the fact that Arenas is gone, the tempo should increase which will also mean more passing.

Divi3, you are smarter than that.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | January 11, 2010 11:59 AM | Report abuse

Not two games Larry, in general Haywood's production (both points and rebounds) is 1st half heavy and almost non-existent in the 4th quarter.

That in no way lessens what he does for us, and often Flip sits him inexplicably for half the 4th q

but he's not a 4th Q player.

AJ also fades around his 30th minute. Dude absolutey torches every team in the league out of the gates, flip shots and Js making heads spin. But he hits that dead-leg wall and falters.

Up to a good coach to take care of that

Posted by: divi3 | January 11, 2010 12:04 PM | Report abuse

me and lilhollywood will see you at Louie Rogue after the Pistons game!

I was trying to prove a point that there was a strip club with no poles. Just lay the blankets down and get to work...so I took her to The House...LOL

Posted by: SDMDTSU | January 11, 2010 12:04 PM | Report abuse

hadnt been to Rogue in over a year and swung through after a game last month....there was a group of 20something white kids (men and woman) playing poker at a table 5 ft from the main stage.

How DC has changed!

the usual characters were still there too tho

Posted by: divi3 | January 11, 2010 12:07 PM | Report abuse

Very Funny SD, when one can find a good meal he has to take advantage!!

As far as ;

it's resentment over the CAKE these athletes pull in. People like DC_MANN see the majority of them as inferior-minded, borderline hoodlums....who make MILLIONS for playing a game.

Wouldnt preach on and on about them if signing bonuses were $10k instead of $10mill, and wouldn't savor their troubles either.

Posted by: divi3
Believe me, I know that's it.

People like you and I know that, "That's Life" There have always been the more fortunate and the not as fortunate. If you're secure in your manhood you move on and worry about getting yours.

Posted by: millineumman | January 11, 2010 12:08 PM | Report abuse

The House!?

some real DC homies on this blog, nice to know

Posted by: divi3 | January 11, 2010 12:09 PM | Report abuse

Also, the Wizards as the game goes along stop including the extra pass in their offense. Hence, as the game goes along Haywood gets less and less touches.

This is one part of the game that Miller would provide help at throughout the game.

And the fact that Arenas is gone, the tempo should increase which will also mean more passing.

Divi3, you are smarter than that.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | January 11, 2010 11:59 AM | Report abuse

by "the Wizards as the game goes along stop including the extra pass in their offense" . do you really mean AJ and CBnever make the extra pass, and since they usually try to take over the 4th q sans Gil (last year and this year) u r right. I see players like NY,Foye,and AB looking to get other guys baskets, often off of the defense's poor/slow rotations and mismatches from dribble penetration. CB and AJ are all about themselves when they get the ball. AJ took a contested 3 pointer over David West with like 15 on tha clock rather that find an open teamate (or at least one with a better look). How many times has CB picked up a charge with a trailer or wing player on the break. When those two start making the extra pass, then you will see better offense and these guys might even resmble a team on offense.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | January 11, 2010 12:09 PM | Report abuse

I was trying to prove a point that there was a strip club with no poles. Just lay the blankets down and get to work...so I took her to The House...LOL


Posted by: SDMDTSU | January 11, 2010 12:04 PM | Report abuse

UPTOWN

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | January 11, 2010 12:11 PM | Report abuse

It's so much more fun talking about basketball and strippers than blog sites and MeTawn, MeShawn from MeGossip Girl_88.

Posted by: SDMDTSU | January 11, 2010 12:16 PM | Report abuse

"When those two start making the extra pass, then you will see better offense and these guys might even resmble a team on offense."

is it a get-mine attitude, or a lack of confidence in guys who rarely see the floor late?

NY has performed in the 4thQ of late in terms of getting buckets son. Maybe Flip needs to order CB and AJ make that extra pass

Posted by: divi3 | January 11, 2010 12:17 PM | Report abuse

Yeah I seen that too. It's like if one of them doesn't shoot for a while and they get the ball. It's going up. i.e. Caron's charge on the 2 on 1 with Boykins...and one time AJ got the ball at the top of the key and drove. All he had to do was kick out for an open shot but he took a bad one but got fouled.

Posted by: SDMDTSU | January 11, 2010 12:21 PM | Report abuse

There are no untouchables on the Wizards’ roster, with the possible exception of JaVale McGee. Several contenders, including the Cavs, are hoping the Wizards’ desire to break with the past will compel them to make Antawn Jamison available. Caron Butler, with $10.6 million due next season, has played all season like a guy who can’t wait to be traded. But the player who could be in the most demand is Brendan Haywood, whose defensive impact and effort on both ends have not waned through all the Wizards’ misery. Add the fact that he’s on a $6 million expiring contract, and contenders in search of a big man – i.e. Denver and Portland – would seem to be good fits.

Then there’s the ownership shift following the death of Abe Pollin, with strong indications that the next owner, Ted Leonsis, will look to clean house once he takes over.

http://ken-berger.blogs.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/11838893/19513612?source=rss_blogs_NBA

Posted by: rnorris6 | January 11, 2010 12:21 PM | Report abuse

i can't think of many times NY hasn't performed well this season, when given the mins. CB will not make the extra pass, he's locked in on getting his. AJ passes when he has no chance at a shot,but i think both of those guys have a problem with NY. AJ really seems to look the other way when slim is on the court.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | January 11, 2010 12:23 PM | Report abuse

I haven't been big on wearing jerseys or anything like that for a long time...but all this nonsense has me about to get this shirt:

http://twoeightnine.spreadshirt.com/agent-zero-A5521518/customize/color/2

Posted by: SDMDTSU | January 11, 2010 12:30 PM | Report abuse

Yes, lilhollywood10 and divi3,

I was watching dem dar Tarheels last night and it almost eerie to see them push and pass the ball with insanity to get open shots no matter who ended up with it.

There is something to be said for a fast tempo. I think one of the reasons why teams like Atlanta are so tough at times is because they thrive on tempo and passing.

The Wizards hasn't emphasized either consistently for a long while.

LarryInClintonMD.

Grind it out smart basketball is not the right menu. Speaking of food. Flip needs to change his recipe.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | January 11, 2010 12:32 PM | Report abuse

SD that one's great, but i been thinking of getting the pic from the post of him lookin like yosemite sam and all his teamates around him smiling , and puttin that on a tee.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | January 11, 2010 12:36 PM | Report abuse

Flip played Butler 42 and Jamison 44 minutes yesterday which is absurd considering their ages. Yes, they needed Jamision's scoring to help get back in game in the 3rd quarter but he had nothing left the last 6 minutes which meant we were relying on NY to be our go to guy. The Wiz have depth with AB (had poor game), McGuire, and McGee, but Flip only used one of them for any minutes yesterday when we needed some energy from the bench.

The margin for error for the team is smaller without Arenas and it appears that Flip has fallen into the trap already of playing both Jamision and Butler 40+ minutes a night. It's only a matter of time before CB3 breaks down and is no longer even a trade possibility. Flip is trying to win games, but he needs to also be playing for the future to see if McGee can be our center when Haywood leaves in free agency...McGuire is our best defender, but never played when Stojkavic was torching Caron. What we needed was some defensive stops and instead gave up 35 points in the 4th quater of close game. A lot of that is poor coaching by not having Haywood in the game in the 4th quarter.

Posted by: wizfan89 | January 11, 2010 12:38 PM | Report abuse

SD that one's great, but i been thinking of getting the pic from the post of him lookin like yosemite sam and all his teamates around him smiling , and puttin that on a tee.

I'm surprised I haven't already seen it. That's a classic. I wish they had a shot of them all falling down though.

Posted by: SDMDTSU | January 11, 2010 12:38 PM | Report abuse

funny how Javale is reported as "untouchable" but cant buy himself 1min of PT.

Haywood has some real value and wont be re-upped, would seem like we could make a solid move using him.

Portland has a couple young PFs who dont play much...not sure how you work out the salaries tho

Posted by: divi3 | January 11, 2010 12:40 PM | Report abuse

Yes, lilhollywood10 and divi3,

I was watching dem dar Tarheels last night and it almost eerie to see them push and pass the ball with insanity to get open shots no matter who ended up with it.

There is something to be said for a fast tempo. I think one of the reasons why teams like Atlanta are so tough at times is because they thrive on tempo and passing.

The Wizards hasn't emphasized either consistently for a long while.

LarryInClintonMD.

Grind it out smart basketball is not the right menu. Speaking of food. Flip needs to change his recipe.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | January 11, 2010 12:32 PM | Report abuse
i dig what u r saying, but there are 3 guys whose hands the ball routinely sticks in on offense. Gil isn't playing so we're left with AJ and CB. they are guilty of not looking for the extra pass. I said this last summer and going into the season. Aj doesn't make guys around him better(not that it's his job to do so). It was ok when the team was in good shape and he could be a designated scorer, but now more is to be desired. he has to make plays for others to make up for the 7-8 assists we lose from gil's absence.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | January 11, 2010 12:41 PM | Report abuse

"The Wiz have depth with AB (had poor game)"

AB has gotten so terrible at 5 that I suspect he's been talking to Randle-El who told him to mail it in until the coach is forced to not put you at that position.

'course, looks like Flip talked to Zorn, as AB is still in there at C just like El returned punts through week16

Posted by: divi3 | January 11, 2010 12:44 PM | Report abuse

I just read on Bullets Forever that Andre Blatche was sent home today and suspended for one game for conduct detrimental to the team??? Any truth to this? WTF is going on. I think it is time to blow this thing up and just start over. It keeps getting worse.

Posted by: ivyleague | January 11, 2010 1:01 PM | Report abuse

"I just read on Bullets Forever that Andre Blatche was sent home today and suspended for one game for conduct detrimental to the team?"

he's probably infuriated the poopNike went public, he's gonna catch a ton of grief about from opposition fans and players. Happened in the locker room, shoulda stayed in the locker room?

Maybe he went off on the 'source', good for him

Posted by: divi3 | January 11, 2010 1:14 PM | Report abuse

My only previous exposure to Le Batard has been as a fill-in host on PTI, where I've always found him annoying and awful. But man, he damn right nailed this one:

As an aside, the original report that started all this mess doesn't appear to be true. Does that matter at all? The New York Post reported that Arenas and a teammate pulled guns on each other. None of the subsequent details support that. So what you have now is Arenas losing his paycheck and perhaps his contract because he mocked a story that wasn't true. This while Wizards management conveniently shuffles away from him with its arbitrary morality. Washington stinks, and management gave him a bad $111 million contract. Dwyane Wade, LeBron James and Kobe Bryant would get better from their own bosses.

But, hey, that's where we are.

Laugh at your own peril at cartoons and mascots and jokes.

The cathedral isn't a place for fun and games.

Good stuff.

And as if to underscore the point:

The crusade to eradicate all hints of Arenas from the NBA continues (scroll down to item 2):

http://espn.go.com/nba/dailydime/_/page/dime-100108-09/houston-rockets-join-chris-bosh-chase

Posted by: kalo_rama | January 11, 2010 1:22 PM | Report abuse

also its sad that so many take such a hateful attitude towards people and events that that do not significantly affect their lives.

Man I couldn't have said it better myself. To have that much negativity towards another human being you don't even personally know...that's sad.

Posted by: SDMDTSU | January 11, 2010 11:25 AM | Report abuse


My negativity toward GA is basketball-related...always has been since he got resigned.

If the current situation is what it takes to get him out of town, so be it.

I don't wish malice on him...I only wish for the Wiz to be relieved of his contract.

Posted by: p1funk | January 11, 2010 1:41 PM | Report abuse

good stuff div3. people forget how well AB played starting at the 4 while AJ was hurt.he clearly doesn't want to play the 5, that's Javale's job. The problem is that flip can't cut into AJ's mins at the 4 and i guess he doesn't realize that HIS offense doesn't run through the 5. That leaves you with a young guy who's not involved in the game except for cleaning up other guys misses, and defensive mistakes, and getting beat up by a guy most likely 30 lbs heavier than him.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | January 11, 2010 1:42 PM | Report abuse

funny how Javale is reported as "untouchable" but cant buy himself 1min of PT.

Haywood has some real value and wont be re-upped, would seem like we could make a solid move using him.

Portland has a couple young PFs who dont play much...not sure how you work out the salaries tho

Posted by: divi3 | January 11, 2010 12:40 PM | Report abuse


Rumor is that Minny is open to moving Al Jefferson.

I say it's an opportunity for Ernie Grunfeld to win back some credibility as a GM...

Posted by: p1funk | January 11, 2010 1:44 PM | Report abuse

Anyone who takes a dump in someone's shoe as a practical joke is disturbed no matter how you slice it. That is not "normal" behavior or the type of behavior one would expect from an adjusted individual. When he did that he should have been suspended by the team. Accepting GA's version about the gun incident, what he did to Blatche's shoe was just as bad. He needs some serious counseling.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | January 11, 2010 1:47 PM | Report abuse

My negativity toward GA is basketball-related...always has been since he got resigned.

If the current situation is what it takes to get him out of town, so be it.

I don't wish malice on him...I only wish for the Wiz to be relieved of his contract.

Posted by: p1funk | January 11, 2010 1:41 PM | Report abuse

is he that much worse, "basketball wise" ?

doesn't your statment betray you? you say your feelings are basketball related, but they center on the date that he signed his contract. One would think that you felt differently about him before he signed his contract, since you only felt negatively about him after he earned his contract. Furthermore one would say that you are in the minority, since he was rewarded with that contract because of his "basketball related" achievements and contributions.


i love u funk, but it sounds like the money changed you.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | January 11, 2010 1:47 PM | Report abuse

"But it's very dissappointing to see (almost) the entire organization and (almost) the entire city turn its back on him."

I just don't get it.

I mean he was given a $111 mil contract when he had a bum knee AND the organization let him sit at home for TWO years. Mike Lee's article said they tried to get him counseling, how he listened to no one, crapped in his team mates shoes(yuck!), and threw his coach under the bus. Oh yeah, brought illegal guns to the VC and lied about the whole thing embarrasing the franchise and the NBA. Then he said he "did nothing wrong."

Poor Gilbert, he's such a great guy. :P

I hope the guy doesn't go to jail, he does not deserve that. But he needs a swift foot up the butt for sure and hopefully his dad does that to him. And then he need counseling.

I am so tired of this whole thing. Maybe that's why they are doing what they are doing, because the NBA is tired of it also.

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | January 11, 2010 1:50 PM | Report abuse

"funny how Javale is reported as "untouchable" but cant buy himself 1min of PT."

He can't set picks, in fact they are lousy. When Haywood was sick last week and they let him play I noticed that right away.

He just needs playing time, and he's not going to get it here.

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | January 11, 2010 1:53 PM | Report abuse

'He just needs playing time, and he's not going to get it here.

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz'

He may very well be our starting Center next season right? There is no way the organization will (or should) match what Haywood can get as an FA elsewhere.

Plus, you know Haywood is neck deep in whatever drama is going on, he probably wants to leave

Posted by: divi3 | January 11, 2010 2:09 PM | Report abuse

anyone find it odd that Al Jefferson is supposedly available? Rebounding big man who can score and is only 25...why would Minny part with him?

Could it be he NEVER passes the ball and causes their offense to grind to a halt, just like what we all complain happens here?

Kevin Love looks like a really good player, but Minny seemingly choosing him over Jefferson seems like a red flag. Why not keep them both?

Posted by: divi3 | January 11, 2010 2:14 PM | Report abuse

"anyone find it odd that Al Jefferson is supposedly available?"

Key word "supposedly." As is usually the case with rumors, it's all about what/who you want to believe:

http://espn.go.com/nba/dailydime/_/page/dime-100108-09/houston-rockets-join-chris-bosh-chase

There also were some rumbles in Boise that the Timberwolves are prepared to start exploring the trade market for Al Jefferson amid questions about Jefferson's compatibility with Kevin Love and how he fits in Minnesota's more free-flowing triangle offense under new coach Kurt Rambis. A case can be made that either Jefferson or Love -- undeniably good players individually who are still both developing -- would be helped greatly by playing next to a more athletic sidekick no matter what the system.

When we checked it out, though, one source with knowledge of the Wolves' thinking insisted any such rumblings about the centerpiece of Minnesota's Kevin Garnett trade with Boston in July 2007 are off target and Big Al is staying put.

The consistent message out of 'Sota has been that any significant changes are on hold until after this season at the earliest, when the Wolves will rely on a possible $13 million in salary-cap space to console themselves following a painful first season for Rambis and new team president David Kahn.


Posted by: kalo_rama | January 11, 2010 2:46 PM | Report abuse

@Kal,

Not sure why you keep minimizing the situation. What GA did is enough for him to get immediately fired from 99% of the jobs/professions in this country. I believe the original story in the Post stated they pulled guns on each other. Well, I believe the eyewitness testimony now is that Gil placed weapons in JC's locker and JC drew a weapon and chambered a round in response. Don't see a huge disparity there in facts. Regardless, just having weapons, unregistered at that, in an NBA arena and in DC is grounds for criminal charges and getting suspended from the NBA. It's fairly straightforward.

GA may be a multimillionaire athlete, but obviously money has not bought him common sense.

His actions have him facing jail time. It's that simple. I read with his prior conviction in CA that he will most likely receive jail time unless under the discretion of the DA he is given some sort of leniency to perhaps plead to misdemeanors.

Posted by: rphilli721 | January 11, 2010 4:44 PM | Report abuse

That being said, I don't think GA is some sort of thug or dangerous criminal. But, sometimes bad judgement is enough. Playing with guns is never funny as I pointed out with the Jason Williams case and countless others around the country that occur virtually every day. And, the stories coming out now about his previous behavior is disturbing at best. I think it paints the picture of a guy that is not necessarily stable.

For the Wiz and, perhaps, for GA, the best may be that his contract gets voided and he comes back in a year or whatever it may be and signs somewhere else for a fair contract to both the team and GA. Maybe during that process GA grows up a little bit and prospers. The Wiz will be able to move on from a bad contract and a bad situation as well.

Posted by: rphilli721 | January 11, 2010 4:59 PM | Report abuse

It still seems like the team was hasty to drop all ties of Gil, taking down all banners, and even selling any wizards wear. I went on their website and they still had tshirts/jerseys, but if you pull up his name you cant even view a video clip of him. To me this is just as silly was Gil is, doesnt make sense until he's officially gone. And perhaps how quick they have dropped him, only 2 mos ago they were handing out Gilbert Arenas halloween masks at the home opener. Oct 31-Dec 31, what a turn around.

Posted by: washwiz | January 11, 2010 7:23 PM | Report abuse

(please excuse the typos and all - rushing)

Posted by: washwiz | January 11, 2010 7:27 PM | Report abuse

During Arenas' suspension, as I understand it under the CBA his salary is donated to a charity selected by the NBA and the players' association, right? The Wizards don't get to pocket the money.

Posted by: PostSubscriber | January 11, 2010 8:45 PM | Report abuse

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