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Morning brew: Blatche suspension and more Arenas

It's a game day, with the Pistons coming to town, losers of 13 in a row. Meantime, the Wizards continue to deal with drama off the court. In Tuesday's Post, Michael Lee writes about the Andray Blatche suspension as well as Brendan Haywood, Caron Butler and DeShawn Stevenson speaking with law enforcement authorities about the Gilbert Arenas gun possession case. Columnist Thomas Boswell takes a look at the big picture with D.C. sports, which these days is "misery loves company" personified. Elsewhere, the D.C. Sports Bog covers the "disappeared" Arenas.

The opinions and the different angles continue to pour in on the Gilbert Arenas story ...

*Kelly Dwyer on Yahoo Sports' Ball Don't Lie blog implores Wizards President Ernie Grunfeld to get going on the rebuilding of the team.

*Henry Abbott weighs in on ESPN.com's True Hoop blog

*On NBA.com, David Aldridge writes about all the many things the Wizards must ponder in the wake of the Arenas situation.

*Tim Povtak on FanHouse finds DeShawn Stevenson's loyalty to Arenas very admirable.

*Jon Wertheim of SI.com talks about how the high-stakes gambling that started all this is more or less the norm in the NBA.

*And Doug Heye on U.S. News & World Report blogs about the Gilbert Arenas Twitter lesson: think before you Tweet.

Back to Blatche, Mike Jones opines about the former "7 Day Dray."

Around the League...

Nine games on the schedule Monday, including LeBron James just missing a triple double in a win at Golden State and the Suns beat the Bucks, who were without Coach Scott Skiles and guard Michael Redd (Redd for the season). Off the court, the Miami Heat joined the Nets and Wizards as teams that have banned gambling.

NBA.com's Daily Zap gets you caught up on Monday's slate:

By Ed Guzman  |  January 12, 2010; 10:17 AM ET
Categories:  Morning brew  | Tags: Andray Blatche; Brendan Haywood; DeShawn Stevenson, Washington Wizards; NBA; Gilbert Arenas; Antawn Jamison; Flip Saunders; Caron Butler  
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First!

Posted by: MeviousMan | January 12, 2010 10:48 AM | Report abuse

With every journalist saying blow it up and all the players seemingly resigned to the fate of the Wizards, one has to wonder how many cards Grunfield has to play with and how much he can get back for Butler/Jamison.

And, I can't help but wonder what this team would be doing if we hadn't resigned Arenas and drafted Jennings or Evans instead.

Posted by: awb9h | January 12, 2010 11:09 AM | Report abuse

Losing to a team that's lost 12 in a row will be the capper on a dandy of a season.

Posted by: kalo_rama | January 12, 2010 11:10 AM | Report abuse

"High-stakes" gambling? Michael Jordan once lost more than $1 million in one day of golf -- while he was still an active player winning championships. Did anyone question his integrity? No, since he was God as far as the league was concerned, it was just MJ being his "competitive" self....

Compare that to drawing guns over $1k, for one thing. And consider that the "enabling" reaches far higher, longer, and deeper than one franchise or one bunch of mentally ill miscreants.

Posted by: Godfather_of_Goals | January 12, 2010 11:26 AM | Report abuse

"With every journalist saying blow it up and all the players seemingly resigned to the fate of the Wizards, one has to wonder how many cards Grunfield has to play with and how much he can get back for Butler/Jamison.And, I can't help but wonder what this team would be doing if we hadn't resigned Arenas and drafted Jennings or Evans instead.Posted by: awb9h"

An interesting question. Not the part about journalists -- media folks will always favor the position that generates the most controversy and therefore readership -- but about what the Wiz might actually be able to get for Butler or Jamison.

First of all, who's interested? You repeatedly hear Cleveland's name, and you can see why: a rebounder/scorer who can start or come off the bench, a character guy, and the Cavs don't need help on defense. But Cleveland doesn't have much to offer in return. There's Phoenix, which also seems like a pretty good fit, and they've got more in the way of tradeables. Somebody mentioned Portland, a club that has a lot of young talent but could use some scoring.

None of these clubs will have much in the way of draft choices to offer, obviously.

Butler probably has value to a wider range of clubs IMO, and Kobe would always welcome him back. But once again you're looking to trade with a contender that doesn't have much to offer except bench players.

About Evans and Jennings: lots of teams wish they had both. That hindsight is definitely an advantage.

Posted by: Samson151 | January 12, 2010 11:29 AM | Report abuse

Watch them lose this game tonight. LMAO!

Posted by: terpwiz | January 12, 2010 11:29 AM | Report abuse

"Michael Jordan once lost more than $1 million in one day of golf -- while he was still an active player winning championships. Did anyone question his integrity?"

They should have. Also his sanity.

Posted by: Samson151 | January 12, 2010 11:30 AM | Report abuse

It is all the more amazing to me that these players would throw their money around(gambling) instead of saving their money and invest it in gold,silver and looking at commercial real estate, even the plunging home real estate market(apartment building's)instead of buying high priced luxury cars that depreciate as soon as you drive it off the lot, Hakeem Olijawon(Hou.Rockets) has made a virtual fortune in the investment market and the commercial real estate market it boggles my mind that players of today who have more information at the ready would be foolish with their money.

Posted by: dargregmag | January 12, 2010 11:34 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: artiesliver | January 12, 2010 11:35 AM | Report abuse

Pau is better than Marc. FACT.
Marc was never the centerpiece of the trade. FACT.
A team (Memphis) got rid of its franchise player for lessers. FACT.

Steady enough for you??

Posted by: artiesliver | January 12, 2010 11:06 AM | Report abuse

I can't believe I am getting in the middle of this banal argument, but....

Artie: you are correct that pau is better than Marc. you may be correct that Marc was not the centerpiece (although I think it more conjecture than fact). But you are completely incorrect about pau Gasol being a "franchise player."

We all know the franchise player in LA is Kobe. I think what Memphis was realizing was that they could not build a winner with Pau as the centerpiece, hence, he was not their franchise player.

Yes, LA got the piece they needed to win the championship, but on the Lakers team, Pau could be replaced by probably 5 guys and Kobe by no one (I guess you could argue LeBron, but whatever).

Memphis got 2 1st rounders, a guy they hoped (correctly it seems) would be as good as Pau by the time they got other pieces around him, and a gamble on a pg they decided to trade again later.

This is what you call a win-win trade. Grizz were going nowhere with Pau as the centerpiece and Lakers needed that extra something NOW to win the championship. Lakers get their championship and Grizz have one of the best young teams around with no worries about long term cap space.

Posted by: Blurred | January 12, 2010 11:51 AM | Report abuse

BTW, I think people need to put the comments of EG and the Pollin's in their proper context. They were very careful to limit their remarks to Arenas' actions in Philly (ie: his apparent insensitivity to the situation). They have not publicly commented on the alledged root issues of the case.

Posted by: MikeP1 | January 12, 2010 11:57 AM | Report abuse

"And, I can't help but wonder what this team would be doing if we hadn't resigned Arenas and drafted Jennings or Evans instead."

Evans went 4th, so we could not have had him.

Jennings would have been exciting to watch, but it's hard to tell what kind of a player he develops into....Tony Parker or Monta Ellis, guess we'll see

Posted by: divi3 | January 12, 2010 11:59 AM | Report abuse

Also, if the report of EG offerring Arenas' for McGrady is true, I think EG will try to get rid of Arenas' when this is over, one way or another. It's sad really, since he's one of the main reasons this team was as good as it was at one point.

Posted by: MikeP1 | January 12, 2010 11:59 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: dargregmag | January 12, 2010 11:34 AM | Report abuse

millions of people gamble away their hard earned salaries every day. most of them do not earn guaranteed million dollar paychecks. please don't make NBA players out to be some type of unique money wasting human being. i however doubt that anyone would say the dream is anything short of unique. How many guys do you hear about taking theroute hakeem took only to get burned in the end by their advisors or partners. Nobody is gambling to make a living, they're gambling to pass the time,just like a lot of people do at work. play some tonk,or blackjack or even craps the only difference is at my job we play for dollars in the L they play for Hundreds or better (i assume).

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | January 12, 2010 12:02 PM | Report abuse

Pau Gasol is not a franchise player. If he's the best player on your team and your go-to guy, you wont win a championship imho

As great a player as he is....he's actually pretty soft defensively. Looks for the charge way too much, questionable lateral movement.

but anyways, he's a 1A and a player you want on your team obviously

Posted by: divi3 | January 12, 2010 12:02 PM | Report abuse

"boggles my mind that players of today who have more information at the ready would be foolish with their money."

How do you know guys dont gamble and invest? The two arent mutually exclusive.

And with some of them, the sheer millions in their paychecks is enough to set them up for life just investing in low-yield, safe instruments.

When you see Paul Pierce in Vegas spending $200k for one night on his birthday, raining hundies on strippers, drinks on the house, and all that.....it's easy to think "Look at that fool wasting his money, he'll end up broke"

but he wont. $200k for your birthday when you've earned $100,000,000 in the past 10yrs is NOTHING

Posted by: divi3 | January 12, 2010 12:07 PM | Report abuse

Pau was the franchise player in Memphis and is arguably the second best player on the Lakers. I personally think he's a better player now than Bynum (although admittedly he does have potential), Odom and Artest.

The trade may be considered by some now as "win-win" because Marc Gasol has developed into a decent big man. However, at the time the trade was widely criticized as a give-away on Memphis' part and Memphis did nothing to refute those criticisms immediately after the trade. From the articles I've seen, they didn't talk up M. Gasol as being an eventual replacement for P. Gasol until after he'd been on their roster for a while, not when the trade was made. In fact, he was barely mentioned in the articles I read.

Posted by: artiesliver | January 12, 2010 12:09 PM | Report abuse

does AB have gil doo-doo for brains? Assuming the story is true and he got salty with flip over nothing....doesnt he realize AJ is on the block and the day he leave, AB gets all his minutes?

Or that maybe he's about to be traded to a better situation?

The team is in such a shambles it's comedic!

Posted by: divi3 | January 12, 2010 12:11 PM | Report abuse

marc gasul initially looked like a slow-footed oaf from what i recall of his first weeks in the nba, i dont think many talked him up until more recently as he's begun to shine.

Posted by: divi3 | January 12, 2010 12:15 PM | Report abuse


David Aldridge in the NBA article touches on the interesting scenario whereby Arenas is not indicted by the grand jury. If so and Arenas miraculously pushes all the right buttons; pious contrition and obseqious groveling before Stern and Wiz management, a low profile but effective PR rehab campaign, might not the commish, operating from deep inside his cryptic, pseudo-morality-based, NBA universe, lift the suspension with time served? Would Wiz management then reengage with Arenas?

The 'through the looking glass' rationale being that after the All Star break, with a healthy Miller and rehabilitated Arenas the Wizards might manage to play .500 ball and make a second half run at the eighth playoff spot. What, given the few options they have for salvaging this season, is the alternative to the current implosion?

Posted by: midlevex | January 12, 2010 12:31 PM | Report abuse

"From the articles I've seen, they didn't talk up M. Gasol as being an eventual replacement for P. Gasol until after he'd been on their roster for a while . . . "

Actions always speak louder than words. Regardless of what they may or may not have said about him (whoever "they" are and wherever these supposed "quotes" were published) the fact remains that the Grizzlies signed Mar to a 3-year guaranteed deal right out of the gates, a highly unusual move for a 2nd round pick. That speaks quite clearly to what they thought of him, right away.

Posted by: kalo_rama | January 12, 2010 12:34 PM | Report abuse

"Pau was the franchise player in Memphis"

Pau Gasol was the "franchise player" in Memphis the same way Gilbert Arenas was the "franchise player" in Washington.

Posted by: kalo_rama | January 12, 2010 12:35 PM | Report abuse

"The trade may be considered by some now as "win-win" because Marc Gasol has developed into a decent big man. However, at the time the trade was widely criticized as a give-away on Memphis' part and Memphis did nothing to refute those criticisms immediately after the trade. From the articles I've seen, they didn't talk up M. Gasol as being an eventual replacement for P. Gasol until after he'd been on their roster for a while, not when the trade was made. In fact, he was barely mentioned in the articles I read.Posted by: artiesliver"

Media reports at the time of any big trade are mostly based on the analysis of other media sources. Going deeper involves work, which media folks will do anything to avoid, so it usually takes a month or so for more accurate info to filter into news accounts. Some trades are accompanied by actual disinformation, which further complicates the process.

You're probably not listening, but IMO Marc Gasol was a recognized commodity in the Pau Gasol trade, rather than a throw-in. The Lakers and Grizz both knew Marc would be coming to the US and would probably be a starting center in the NBA at some point. Of course, nobody knew how much he'd develop.

I'm guessing that Memphis never had that much regard for Kwame Brown, who unlike Marc Gasol, was very much a known quantity.

Posted by: Samson151 | January 12, 2010 12:37 PM | Report abuse

"Would Wiz management then reengage with Arenas?"

Hard to envision it happening unless it's forced on the organization by the fact they can neither trade him nor void his deal.

Posted by: divi3 | January 12, 2010 12:39 PM | Report abuse

and arenas has to be indicted doesnt he? already admitted he brought the guns into DC

Posted by: divi3 | January 12, 2010 12:40 PM | Report abuse

Actions always speak louder than words. Regardless of what they may or may not have said about him (whoever "they" are and wherever these supposed "quotes" were published) the fact remains that the Grizzlies signed Mar to a 3-year guaranteed deal right out of the gates, a highly unusual move for a 2nd round pick. That speaks quite clearly to what they thought of him, right away.

That's one way of looking at it.
Conversely, it speaks highly of their need for a legitimate center and the fact that Marc had leverage since he was a European player who would have no problem playing in Europe.

In regard to a multi-year guaranteed contract for a second-rounder, it is not unheard of for a player with overseas experience or a player who fills a glaring need.

Posted by: artiesliver | January 12, 2010 12:42 PM | Report abuse

There is a guy with the Team that needs to be traded, but most of you never bring up his bone headed decision making as a reason to trade him.

I say the biggest trade that would make the biggest impact on this team right now would be to trade Flip Saunders.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | January 12, 2010 12:44 PM | Report abuse

"Hard to envision it happening unless it's forced on the organization by the fact they can neither trade him nor void his deal."

Agreed but Arenas' greatly diminished trade value and the difficulty in voiding his contract without battling the Players Union and Arenas' lawyers are part of the equation.

Posted by: midlevex | January 12, 2010 12:45 PM | Report abuse

"and arenas has to be indicted doesnt he? already admitted he brought the guns into DC."
It's up to the grand jury to proceed or dismiss at this point, if they proceed with the indictment they also have to choose whether as a misdemeanor or felony.

Posted by: midlevex | January 12, 2010 12:51 PM | Report abuse

Doesn't Randy Foye's play show that he should have been the first PG off the bench instead of Boykins? Also, why did Flip go away from the tal line-up with Caron at the two and Blatche at the 4 when they won the game with that line-up? The next game Brendan was hurt and then it seemed he abaondoned it. Blatche at the 4 and caron at the two in an NBA line-up. Remember everyone talkin about Caron did not have to pump fake when he was being guarded by a two guard and it gave the Wiz a mismatch? Isn't the NBA all about craeting mismatches so that there can be a double team. Will Flip ever go with the Tall line-up and just let them play a good 10 games together, please!!!!!!!!!!!111

Posted by: ptp23 | January 12, 2010 12:52 PM | Report abuse

Pau was the franchise player in Memphis

artiesliver

You are missing the point...he was the franchise player until they realized he wasn't a franchise player.

And I could be wrong, but I was also of the understanding that Pau had said he would not play in Memphis again. I can't recall if he meant he would go to europe or just not renew his contract with Memphis. Either way, Memphis realized he was not going to make them a winner.

Lakers knew they would be giving up 2 late 20's 1st rounder picks for him plus an up and coming PG and guy who was a star overseas to get what they needed now. Memphis wanted to drop salary; get something for what they were going to lose anyway; and get a fresh start on a rebuild.

Marc worked out - Critt didn't. That's pro ball, my friend.

And why i say load up on the picks in every trade. Your #1 may end up being Kwame, but your #30 may end up being David Lee.

Posted by: Blurred | January 12, 2010 12:54 PM | Report abuse

Our players are so bad, the youngs ones are immature and the old youngs are selfish, and they just can't seem to play the game with any efficiency at all, even with one of the most proven coaches ever in the League.

I wonder why that is? A rudderless ship. A no good Captain, spoiled shipmates, no discipline.

Who is responsible for this sad fate of affairs?

Oh! Oh! Oh! I know! I know! I know!

It's the players! It's the players!!!

Hummmm.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | January 12, 2010 12:57 PM | Report abuse

You are missing the point...he was the franchise player until they realized he wasn't a franchise player.

When did they realize he wasn't a franchise player? When he didn't win them a championship?

If so, add Kevin Garnett to your list of non-franchise players. He couldn't do a thing until he got with other non-franchise players in Paul Pierce and Ray Allen. Does the logic hold true?

Posted by: artiesliver | January 12, 2010 1:04 PM | Report abuse

The Wizards are in the uncomfortable position of letting the legal process play out while Arenas is indefinitely suspended. There is no way they could void his contract until after charges were brought, and that would depend on their severity and what additional action was taken by the NBA. Although Arenas may be finished for this year, the Wiz may have to wait until the offseason to try to trade him (which doesn't seem very likely). They may be stuck with him for some time if he only receives a misdemeanor and is contrite in his meetings with David Stern.

This impacts what the Wiz should do to rebuild as everyone on this blog is calling for the Wiz to trade both Jamison and Butler. Except for the game on the day the Arenas was suspended against Cleveland and there were major distractions, there were two good wins over Philly and Orlando plus a strong effort against New Orleans.

The Wizards vets have put forth a strong effort and there is reason to expect that they may play better minus Arenas if Mike Miller is not out for an extended period. Both Foye and NY have stepped up their play and I think Flip has laid down the lay with suspending Blatche. I think EG needs to let things ride for 3-4 weeks as the trade deadline isn't until Feb. 18th.

If the Wiz play .500 ball and are back in the hunt for the 7th or 8th spot, they could just as easily wait until the offseason to trade Jamison and Butler as they both will still have substantial value. To attract a marquee free agent, the Wiz would have to show they could win immediately and that won't be the case if Jamision, Butler, Haywood, and Miller are all gone via trade or free agency.

Posted by: wizfan89 | January 12, 2010 1:04 PM | Report abuse

"It's up to the grand jury to proceed or dismiss at this point, if they proceed with the indictment they also have to choose whether as a misdemeanor or felony.
Posted by: midlevex"

I'm trying to remember the last time a grand jury failed to indict in a notable trial. I can't. The prosecution convenes the grand jury specifically to endorse his opinion, and if they're not willing to, he wouldn't take the risk.


Posted by: Samson151 | January 12, 2010 1:05 PM | Report abuse

"...Isn't the NBA all about craeting mismatches so that there can be a double team. Will Flip ever go with the Tall line-up and just let them play a good 10 games together, please!!!!!!!!!!!111

Posted by: ptp23"

That same lineup produces AJ at 3 where he can kill the smaller player either inside or shoot over him.

Of the lineups Flip's used significantly, back court of Arenas-NY was the most productive- yet Flip insisted on benching NY and force feeding Earl.

I think he stinks as coach, with the only possible excuse being he takes direct orders from EG on who to showcase and whom to bench. Or that behind the scenes, the whole team is in such complete disarray that many players cant in good conscience get mins due to lack of professionalism.

Posted by: divi3 | January 12, 2010 1:08 PM | Report abuse

Doesn't Randy Foye's play show that he should have been the first PG off the bench instead of Boykins? Also, why did Flip go away from the tal line-up with Caron at the two and Blatche at the 4 when they won the game with that line-up? The next game Brendan was hurt and then it seemed he abaondoned it. Blatche at the 4 and caron at the two in an NBA line-up. Remember everyone talkin about Caron did not have to pump fake when he was being guarded by a two guard and it gave the Wiz a mismatch? Isn't the NBA all about craeting mismatches so that there can be a double team. Will Flip ever go with the Tall line-up and just let them play a good 10 games together, please!!!!!!!!!!!111

Posted by: ptp23 | January 12, 2010 12:52 PM |

Ptp23,

Aww shucks man, that makes too much sense and is too much like the right thing they should be trying and giving a fair chance to see if it really works.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | January 12, 2010 1:09 PM | Report abuse

"In regard to a multi-year guaranteed contract for a second-rounder, it is not unheard of for a player with overseas experience or a player who fills a glaring need."

Please cite some examples (we know how much you love quotes and links) of other overseas players taken in the 2nd round who were given 3-year guaranteed deals right out of the draft.

Posted by: kalo_rama | January 12, 2010 1:10 PM | Report abuse

Not that it matters, of course, because the frequency with which it happens isn't really the point (although it is, of course, extremely rare). The point is that when it does happen it's because a team believes a player can have an impact for their team and wants to lock him up. The fact that the Grizzlies clearly believed that, by definition, undercuts your argument that Marc was a "throw in" and that the Grizzlies got nothing but "trash" and "junk" in exchange for Pau. They got a player they had high interests and hopes for.
Now who, exactly, was the parallel player that the Wiz could have thrown into that cap space deal you've been raging about?

Posted by: kalo_rama | January 12, 2010 1:15 PM | Report abuse

"I'm trying to remember the last time a grand jury failed to indict in a notable trial. I can't. The prosecution convenes the grand jury specifically to endorse his opinion, and if they're not willing to, he wouldn't take the risk."

If it's a misdemeanor charge, you'd think he could cop a plea pretty quickly that would include all the usual donations and appearances, which would put the matter behind him (legally speaking) rather quickly.

Posted by: divi3 | January 12, 2010 1:16 PM | Report abuse

Reference the guns, doesn't DC still have this turn in guns without fear of prosecution program or something to that effect, no questions asked or whatever?

If that is so and it is clear that no physical crime was committed with the guns other than the bringing of the instruments into DC, could not the Grand Jury show extreme leniency in light of their own program?

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | January 12, 2010 1:18 PM | Report abuse

There's almost no chance that Arenas isn't indicted, given that he's already publicly admitted to possessing the guns. It's just an issue of whether he gets tagged with carrying (a felony) or possession (a misdemeanor). Logic dictates that since he turned them over to security voluntarily and wasn't apprehended walking around in public with the guns and they weren't found pursuant to a warranted search, that possession would be the most likely outcome. But logic has clearly flown the coop in this case.

Posted by: kalo_rama | January 12, 2010 1:19 PM | Report abuse

Now who, exactly, was the parallel player that the Wiz could have thrown into that cap space deal you've been raging about?

Posted by: kalo_rama | January 12, 2010 1:15 P

What on earth are you talking about? I said if the Wizards were so inclined they could have used the cap room that would have been created by NOT re-signing Arenas and Jamison to go after a free agent of their choice when the opportunity presented itself.

Posted by: artiesliver | January 12, 2010 1:20 PM | Report abuse

"I'm trying to remember the last time a grand jury failed to indict in a notable trial. I can't. The prosecution convenes the grand jury specifically to endorse his opinion, and if they're not willing to, he wouldn't take the risk."

A grand jury failed to indict Rep. Cynthia McKinney here in DC in 2006 on charges of assaulting a police officer. Gilbert may be going down but he may not and if not the Wiz and the NBA have some decisions to make.

Posted by: midlevex | January 12, 2010 1:22 PM | Report abuse

"I said if the Wizards were so inclined they could have used the cap room that would have been created by NOT re-signing Arenas and Jamison to go after a free agent of their choice when the opportunity presented itself."

Ahhh . . . so this is the part where "selective memory" kicks in, huh? I guess we're done here then.

Posted by: kalo_rama | January 12, 2010 1:25 PM | Report abuse

to go after a free agent of their choice when the opportunity presented itself.

Posted by: artiesliver"

the problem with that is we can see over the past few season who has changed teams, been an FA, etc, etc...and there's really nothing that stands out as a move or player we missed out on.

People dog AJ, but championship contending teams want him.

We signed Gil on crutches- but he got higher per/yr offers from 2 other teams.

Hard to argue we did the wrong thing considering there's no player we'd rather have at this point that we could have signed otherwise.

In hindsight the moves didnt work out, obviously, but that's 20/20

Posted by: divi3 | January 12, 2010 1:25 PM | Report abuse

Ahhh . . . so this is the part where "selective memory" kicks in, huh? I guess we're done here then.


No, it's the part where you realize you've got me confused with somebody else.

Posted by: artiesliver | January 12, 2010 1:31 PM | Report abuse

No, I'm pretty sure that this is the part where, having run out of ammo to defend the indefensible, you know start pretending like you didn't say all of the indefensible stuff you've been saying. To wit:

"My understanding is that when you're significantly under the cap you can trade for players without worrying about matching contracts, correct?

Posted by: artiesliver | January 11, 2010 4:19 PM | Report abuse

So much for "go(ing) after a free agent of their choice when the opportunity presented itself."

Posted by: kalo_rama | January 12, 2010 1:40 PM | Report abuse

No, I'm pretty sure that this is the part where, having run out of ammo to defend the indefensible, you know start pretending like you didn't say all of the indefensible stuff you've been saying.

To wit:

"My understanding is that when you're significantly under the cap you can trade for players without worrying about matching contracts, correct?

Posted by: artiesliver | January 11, 2010 4:19 PM | Report abuse

So much for "go(ing) after a free agent of their choice when the opportunity presented itself."


Posted by: kalo_rama | January 12, 2010 1:40 PM

That was in response to SDMDTSU talking about you have to match contracts to make a trade. I said you do not if you're significantly under the cap.
Of course you knew that but apparently thought it would have more impact if you took the statement completely out of context.

Remind me. What was indefensible about that statement?

Posted by: artiesliver | January 12, 2010 2:03 PM | Report abuse

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