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Poll: 'Where did it go wrong?'

In his discussion with reporters on Thursday, Antawn Jamison talked about how the Wizards went from the second round of the playoffs in 2005 to the bottom of the Eastern Conference in just five years, with essentially the same core group.

Of course, the one-time centerpiece of the franchise, Gilbert Arenas, has been absent most of the past two seasons and may have played his final game with the Wizards after just 32 games this season. When Arenas is done serving his 50-game suspension, he would've played a total of 47 of 246 games because of a troublesome left knee and his questionable judgement for bringing guns into the locker room.

Jamison asked a very haunting question: "Where did it go wrong?"

That made me think about all of the things that changed the course of a once-promising young team to a miserable one with little hope. After the Miami Heat swept the Wizards in four games in the second round, Larry Hughes bolted in free agency to Cleveland, but Ernie Grunfeld was able to regroup by trading Kwame Brown to Los Angeles for Caron Butler. The Wizards remained a playoff team the next three seasons but had to endure first round exits to Cleveland and Arenas's left knee injury against Charlotte on April 4, 2007.

The Wizards as we once knew them are over. The team will likely look dramatically different between now and the Feb. 18 trade deadline. I wanted to ask you guys what you think was the reason for the Wizards' demise. After you vote, please comment and explain your reasons. I'm interested in what you have to say.


By Michael Lee  |  January 29, 2010; 1:15 PM ET
 
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I think about half of those are valid, but to me, the misfortune of running into LeBron over and over in the playoffs, especially after the mojo-crushing missed free throws, really sunk this team's confidence.

Posted by: tigerquoll | January 29, 2010 1:22 PM | Report abuse

It started going wrong when Ernie refused to get rid of Haywood after he started fighting with Etan and Jordan. You can't win when the GM is undermining the coach. And when you look at this current group of players issues with chemistry and accountability, I can't help but think this is where it all began.

Posted by: djnnnou | January 29, 2010 1:38 PM | Report abuse

No doubt that "IF" gilbert doesn't tear up his knee things wudda been a lot different.

Posted by: VBFan | January 29, 2010 1:41 PM | Report abuse

I think it was mainly the matchup with Cleveland. Although had Coach Jordan played Haywood on that last inbounds play instead of Ruffin, LBJ would have had a much tougher play to make that game winning shot.

"On the throw in, don't let them get the ball to James. If you do, make sure he's going away from the basket. If you can't do that, at least don't let him drive to the hoop."

They went 0-for-3 and without a real shot-blocker protecting the rim...

Posted by: tgoren71 | January 29, 2010 1:43 PM | Report abuse


Yeah, because Haywood and Howard are the only two big men in the NBA, right?

Please.

Posted by: kalo_rama
Well who could they get better? thats why its reported they are searching the D-league....
Know all....


Because they already have two better centers signed. And Haywood doesn't like to share minutes.

Posted by: djnnnou
Check your stats for facts, because what you think is wrong

juwan easily outplayed haywood at center a few weeks ago, bth had his worst game of the season against portland. maybe that effed up the trade

Posted by: divi3
Probally


And they'd only do that if they thought Przybilla's injury was career-threatening, because if both are healthy, Przybilla is a better option than Haywood.

Posted by: kalo_rama
Are you stupid
Przybilla life time nba points per game is 4.2 Haywood is like 7.8 (including this year). Thats almost double Bredan blocks shoots and beter defensively

Posted by: dsquare | January 29, 2010 1:44 PM | Report abuse

The injury to Gilbert. It was obvious that the summer after Gilbert got hurt, Haywood improved a lot and his game improved. They also had Roger Mason and Songaila. The best years for the quote-un-quote, Big 3, would have been that year as the team had better depth than the wizard team that lost to Cleveland the first time.

Posted by: G-Man11 | January 29, 2010 1:46 PM | Report abuse

also remember, as bad as DeShawn is offensively, he was better than Jeffries that first year against Cleveland.

Posted by: G-Man11 | January 29, 2010 1:48 PM | Report abuse

the injury derailed everything.

whoever chose the bday party needs their head examined

Posted by: divi3 | January 29, 2010 1:49 PM | Report abuse

I VOTED SOMETHING ELSE!!!

All of the above could be true, If Gil had not gotten hurt, had Ernie NOT traded Roger Mason Jr. (Imagine Mason at the 1 & Gil at the 2...WOW), had Tapscott played the youngsters more last year to properly address the needs in the trade, had Ernie drafted Dejuan Blair to solidify the front line, had Ernie not fielded a team with 8 free agents (everyone looking out for their contracts next year rather than winning games, Gil told Flip this would happen), had Ernie not Fired Eddie Jordan; the team was assembled for the Princeton, had Ernie had better GM skills...the list goes on. Seemingly management has gotten it wrong over and over and over again, time for a new sheriff in town. The only profession in which you can always be wrong and keep your job is meteorology...oh an apparently the Wiz GM.

Moving forward...keep AJ but move to the 3, build around Gil (with new GM...WE FORGIVE GIL, he's HUMAN), and be active in the draft. Of the currently roster I'd keep Gil, AJ, McGuire, McGee, Foye, and Miller...dump the rest and start over.

Posted by: Gooddad | January 29, 2010 1:57 PM | Report abuse

Hey, wait. Players DO tear up their knees. It happens. It is part of the sport. But you are not obligated to give players with bum knees $111 million, no matter how good you think the player was when his knees were sound.

Even with good knees, it is questionable whether Gil was your cornerstone, franchise player that you blow your salary cap wad on. I never thought Gil was at that level. But giving Gill the contract WITH bad knees was the biggest mistake in recent Wiz history.

Posted by: EdDC | January 29, 2010 2:01 PM | Report abuse

My first choice was when Gil got the left knee injury. My second choice would have been when Larry left. We've really never replaced him and that has hurt. Steveson was OK, but every time Gil comes back Steveson can't hit a shot. Now that Gil is gone again Steveson has actually made a shot or two. Also, with Caron here we stuck with starting both players which kept AJ at the power forward position. The Wizards would be a better team with more size at that position.

Posted by: 33dgriffin | January 29, 2010 2:03 PM | Report abuse

It all went wrong when Eddie Jordan went away from a winning offensive philosophy for the sake of defense.

When he did this it started a spiral of events impacting on the chemistry of the Team and ended up with Gilberts Arenas' knee being rolled up on.

Fate is determined by the decisions you make in life.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | January 29, 2010 2:09 PM | Report abuse

It all went wrong when Eddie Jordan went away from a winning offensive philosophy for the sake of defense.

When he did this it started a spiral of events impacting on the chemistry of the Team and ended up with Gilberts Arenas' knee being rolled up on.

Fate is determined by the decisions you make in life.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | January 29, 2010 2:09 PM | Report abuse

Remember Gil got hurt when Eddie benched him for the first quarter of that game for being late. Had he started Gil, he most likely would not have been in the game at the start of the second quarter when he got hurt.

Posted by: 33dgriffin | January 29, 2010 2:24 PM | Report abuse

To the extent that one thing was more responsible than any other (and when things go as wrong as the Wizards have that's rarely the case) I don't think any of those things are the real culprit.

When things go this wrong, it's usually the result of a deeper, fundamental flaw. For me, the defining moment came well before any of the choices in that poll: When Abe Pollin decided to hire Jordan as coach before hiring Grunfeld as GM. That single, misguided decision put the Big 3 era of the Wizards off on the wrong course, by facilitating an antagonist relationship between the two men who the franchise needed to work together closely. Their inability to do so (and the obvious tension it created) resulted in a power struggle the undermined the authority of both men and resulted in a "lunatics running the asylum culture" that still persists and has underpinned most of what's gone wrong with the team in the last several years.

Posted by: kalo_rama | January 29, 2010 2:28 PM | Report abuse

I voted for something else...

Ernie (can't draft)
ETaps (player development?)
medical staff (what a joke)
trainers (has any player gotten stronger under these guys)
Coaches (EJ great job in Philly, Etaps I would rather see kal coach this team, Flip sold my soul)
players who don't want to play the game the way it's supposed to be played
fans who kept supporting the crap the Wizards have been selling for 30 years
and of course the man at the top who was in charge of it all...good old Abe.

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | January 29, 2010 2:28 PM | Report abuse

curse of Lez Bullez

Posted by: freeflyr61 | January 29, 2010 2:29 PM | Report abuse

Przybilla life time nba points per game is 4.2 Haywood is like 7.8 (including this year). Thats almost double Bredan blocks shoots and beter defensively"

Debating the scoring ability of two nonscoring, 9-year vets who've never averaged double-digits is, of course, an idiotic waste of time in which I will not participate. As for the rest . . . you're wrong. Really, it's just that simple.

Posted by: kalo_rama | January 29, 2010 2:29 PM | Report abuse

I agree about the injuries and also believe that LeBron waiting for the team each year presents a daunting challenge. Although, these reasons, along with injuries, have presented major problems, the main issue with this team is hubris.

Perhaps it did not start with the million dollar birthday bash, but undeserved ego has torn the team apart. When Stevenson is shooting 2 for 9 and still does the 'you can't see me' wave and guys are butting heads after each game, not passing, and missing stupidly selfish shots instead of moving the ball game after game the problem appears to be not just one or two people, but the team as a whole.

The Wizards are in the top ten for spending and act like it but don't play like it. Gil's birthday was an important event for the team and this city, or so it seemed at the time. The party is over and it took more and more dramatic steps (losing games, then really losing games, then losing Arenas) to wake every one up.

Posted by: jacobpstein | January 29, 2010 2:30 PM | Report abuse

I think it all comes down to the first injury. I ask this WOULD JAVARIS CRITTENTON AND MIKE JAMES BE HERE IF GIL WAS HEALTHY THE PAST 3 YEARS? Eddie Jordan wouldn't have been fired if Arenas was healthy however I do think Gil would have taken the full 120 million if he was healthy.

Even this season all TV analyst said Gils problems were mental. Getting back his swag is hard after taking so much time off. Gil was too afraid to elevate higher when driving to the basket therefore not getting the 8 free throws that would have gave him 29 ppg instead of 22ppg. Does he see Gerald Wallace's face everytime he elevates to the basket?

Posted by: jefferu | January 29, 2010 2:32 PM | Report abuse

Gilbert's career as a superstar was over the night Gerald Wallace fell on his knee. Everything since then has just been Gilbert and the Wiz grasping at straws, hoping that he would become that player again. The franchise has, since that time, tied all its fortunes to the health of Gilbert's left knee.

Posted by: NWDC3 | January 29, 2010 2:38 PM | Report abuse

"It all went wrong when Eddie Jordan went away from a winning offensive philosophy for the sake of defense."

What?! When the hell did THAT happen? I must have been in a coma the season the Wizards (A) offensive philosophy won anything or (B) were a defensive juggernaut under Eddie Jordan.

Posted by: kalo_rama | January 29, 2010 2:47 PM | Report abuse

"Gilbert's career as a superstar was over the night Gerald Wallace fell on his knee."

He could have come back 99% from that had he not been a bonehead about his rehab and more importantly had the franchise been vigilent in protecting its investment.

The stories about his rehab were horrifying! Sounded like it was all wrong and being done on the fly by a guy who didnt know the medicine behind it. I dont buy the line that he simply wouldnt listen to anyone no matter what, I think there was more an attitude of when he wasnt in VC the team just hoped for the best as to what he was up to.

The repeated mysterious injury problems and noodle-armed players lend credence to the med staff stinking.

also, how do you not have James Andrews do the knee surgery in the 1st place??

Posted by: divi3 | January 29, 2010 2:48 PM | Report abuse

regardless of how good Arenas ever was or wasnt, there is no denying he turned the city upside down for the team and was setting the league on fire. Quickly became one of the very biggest stars in the league, and put DC on the national map nba-wise.

but let's let him do his own rehab?

Posted by: divi3 | January 29, 2010 2:52 PM | Report abuse

Everyone is so critical of Ernie Grunfeld. As a GM I think he was good not great. He was good up to the 111 million contract but that also had abe pollin's hand in it. I think that not every GM is equipped for damage control. I'm curious on how other teams handle their star player going down. For example what the front office did. For example Miami when dwayne wade got injured, Houston signing Ariza, Right now portland is the king of injury, and the Bucks with Michael Redd out. MIKE LEE tell us how other GM's would handle damage control the moment Gil had his second surgery!!

Posted by: jefferu | January 29, 2010 3:00 PM | Report abuse

The problem start when LH went to cavs.CB just replaced scoring and better rebounding to the team but,LH replacement has been the weakest link of the team since then.CB would have been an up grade for the team if LH would have been here despite the tax issue.The team did work on improvment but on replacement.

Posted by: gtefferra | January 29, 2010 3:02 PM | Report abuse

Debating the scoring ability of two nonscoring, 9-year vets who've never averaged double-digits

Haywood averaged 10.6 points per game in 07-08.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/stats?playerId=1000

Posted by: joe_sill | January 29, 2010 3:03 PM | Report abuse

So let me get this straight. A player you believe to be the 6th or 7th best PFs in the league has no responsibility for defense but the center, who is among the top 3 in blocks and the top 10 in rebounding, is the problem? And the days of the NBA enforcer are gone. You rarely if ever see centers or any othe players smashing guys as they go to the basket. The league doesn't tolerate it anymore.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | January 28, 2010 11:49 PM | Report abuse

What I was saying is that everybody has a role to play and getting the right players to play the right roles is the key. Haywood gets so many rebounds because we miss so many shots and he doesn't do much defending other than block shots. He is setting up for the board before the ball even leaves the opponents hands. Haywood is soft soft soft and everyone knows it.

Jamison should play more D...hell, any D. If he played any D at all, he would be a top 5 PF easily.

And don't talk like Haywood's one good season compares to Jamison's consistently well above par career. Jamison was top 10 in boards per game the past 2 seasons and part of this season. He also should end his career in the top 50 all time for both Pts and Rebounds, assuming he can play out this season and 2 more. Compare that to your hero Brendan Haywood who is only 2 "career Years" from making into the top 250 rebounders of all time.

I am saying trade Jamison, but get what you want for him and that is two things - Cap space and good picks.Jamison is far more help to far more teams in this league than Haywood. Neither of them can help this team.

Posted by: Blurred | January 29, 2010 3:05 PM | Report abuse

The problem start when LH went to cavs.CB just replaced scoring and better rebounding to the team but,LH replacement has been the weakest link of the team since then.CB would have been an up grade for the team if LH would have been here despite the tax issue.The team did work on improvment but on replacement.

Posted by: gtefferra | January 29, 2010 3:02 PM | Report abuse


Which is why the Cavs kept Larry around for so long, right?

Posted by: Blurred | January 29, 2010 3:13 PM | Report abuse

Haywood averaged 10.6 points per game in 07-08.


Posted by: joe_sill

Thank You

Posted by: dsquare | January 29, 2010 3:14 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Blurred | January 29, 2010 3:16 PM | Report abuse

dude, even your link says 7.2 rpg in 07-08. What are you, Drunk?

Posted by: Blurred | January 29, 2010 3:19 PM | Report abuse

Larry Hughes trying to out gun Gil every game.

LH was bum!

Posted by: millineumman | January 29, 2010 3:25 PM | Report abuse

wait for it...

Posted by: djnnnou | January 29, 2010 3:26 PM | Report abuse

during games stats are constantly being put up that involve 3-4 players in the league, and it's always Dirk, Lebron, Kobe, Shaq, JAMISON

both for career numbers and current production. Haters like DC_Mann write all that off to "metawn" but everybody else around the league knows it's the sign of an exceptional player to amass that many pts/rebs on any given season AND over his career.

what does BTH do aside from produce nothing in the 4th quarter as the defensive stopper for a team that sucks on defense?

couple of decent seasons from haywood over the past 9yrs, wish him the best in getting paid elsewhere

Posted by: divi3 | January 29, 2010 3:28 PM | Report abuse

It was the birthday party.

Remember the Wizards tore it up in December of 2006. Then injuries started hitting and the team hit the skids. They never were able to recapture the glory. That period around Arenas's party was the final real high-point of his time with the Wizards.

Posted by: JPRS | January 29, 2010 3:28 PM | Report abuse

Where did it go wrong...

I'd have to say it all went downhill in 1998 when the then Bullets decided that Chris Webber was just too "ghetto" for being arrested and charged with second-degree assault, resisting arrest, possession of marijuana, driving under the influence of marijuana and five other traffic-related violations after being pulled over for speeding on the way to the practice center at the MCI Center. Webber was acquitted by a jury and was by no means seen as the devil incarnate by the local fan base but the organization saw otherwise and shipped him to Sacramento for sorry arse Mitch Richmond. Been a plethora of bad decisions by management ever since.

Posted by: blackman1 | January 29, 2010 3:30 PM | Report abuse

It all started when the general manger picks a player views over the coaches views even if he is wrong. Never give the players the authority over the coach. Gil father even made a statement "that you can only protect someone so much, each man is resposible for his own actions". If gil can not be a leader then dont pay him like one. Because the PLAYERS ARE GOING TO FOLLW THE HIGHEST PAID PLAYERS most of the time. So if your highest paid player is a goof-ball well then most likely you are going to have a goof-ball team.If Antawn is going to be the leader, then we are going to have a basket-ball team that shoots alot of jumpers, plays selfish and with no defense. Good states but will loose evertime .

Posted by: dsquare | January 29, 2010 3:31 PM | Report abuse

It started and ended with Abe Polins unabashed love for Arenas and the organizatin's "lack of fortitude" in not disciplining Arenas for on-court/ off-court behavior (ie: shoe-pooping, not attempting a field goal to prove a point, housing and undermining the development of 2 rookies, rehabbing himself and blaming the team for his bad rehab, deciding when and how he will re-insert himself within comeback efforts) which hamstrung coach Jordan and the rest of the team.

BOO-YAH!

I still think we should welcome him back with open arms w/ strict discipline, keep Jamison, see if Butler wants to leave b/c he has a real bad 'tude thru this and last season, start giving decent minutes to McGhee, McGuire, Young, Oberto ..15 mins per game per ...they need it. Keep the same basic team and see where next year goes.

Posted by: leopsan | January 29, 2010 3:32 PM | Report abuse

When Abe Pollin decided to hire Jordan as coach before hiring Grunfeld as GM.

Posted by: kalo_rama | January 29, 2010 2:28 PM

Not ideal to be sure, but in explaining this mess, that doesn't even make the top 10.

How well has it gone since Grunfield moved Jordan and put ETapps and then the Flipster at the helm? Exactly.

The lunatics may have been disruptive during Jordan's tenure, but the team competed and were not an embarrassment. They have only truly taken over the asylum and turned the Wizards back into a national joke on ETapps's and Flip's watch.

The poll results tell the story. The snowball began rolling down the mountain when Gil did the MCL in '07.

Posted by: ArchieTambo | January 29, 2010 3:35 PM | Report abuse

I still think we should welcome him back with open arms w/ strict discipline, keep Jamison, see if Butler wants to leave b/c he has a real bad 'tude thru this and last season, start giving decent minutes to McGhee, McGuire, Young, Oberto ..15 mins per game per ...they need it. Keep the same basic team and see where next year goes.

Posted by: leopsan | January 29, 2010 3:32 PM | Report abuse


Like most of it except the Oberto part. let him ride out the last minutes of career, but don't play him at the expense of playing Mcgee a few extra minutes.

Posted by: Blurred | January 29, 2010 3:41 PM | Report abuse

"It all went wrong when Eddie Jordan went away from a winning offensive philosophy for the sake of defense."

What?! When the hell did THAT happen? I must have been in a coma the season the Wizards (A) offensive philosophy won anything or (B) were a defensive juggernaut under Eddie Jordan.

Posted by: kalo_rama | January 29, 2010 2:47 PM

Surely you jest.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | January 29, 2010 3:43 PM | Report abuse

It all went wrong when we let Mitch Kupchack leave and become an integral piece of the Lakers organization and kept Unseld to run ours into the ground.

Who'd of thought?

Posted by: Blurred | January 29, 2010 3:44 PM | Report abuse

And you know that this is the one true truth on this board.

Posted by: Blurred | January 29, 2010 3:45 PM | Report abuse

It's so sad in the fact that who thought this Les BouleS could not get worse WITH Gilby have FINALLY realized what I've been saying all along and now they see that this franchise has been brought down to the gutter based on Gilby's out of control antics.

The supposed "glory" that people saw in those last second shots or those high scoring games pale in comparison to the destruction this franchise is undergoing based on multiple events culminating in a felony gun charge.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | January 29, 2010 3:47 PM | Report abuse

"How well has it gone since Grunfield moved Jordan and put ETapps and then the Flipster at the helm? Exactly. "

Exactly what? Exactly you miss the point entirely? Yeah, well, exactly that, then.

Of course (and really, this should go without saying, but some people need everything spelled out for them), changing things 5 years after the fact is 5 years too late. The damage had already been done. The players had 5 years of knowing that they could defy the coach with no consequence from the organization. At that point, it didn't matter who the coach was.

Posted by: kalo_rama | January 29, 2010 3:49 PM | Report abuse

"My first choice was when Gil got the left knee injury. My second choice would have been when Larry left. We've really never replaced him and that has hurt. Steveson was OK, but every time Gil comes back Steveson can't hit a shot. Now that Gil is gone again Steveson has actually made a shot or two. Also, with Caron here we stuck with starting both players which kept AJ at the power forward position. The Wizards would be a better team with more size at that position.

Posted by: 33dgriffin | January 29, 2010 2:03 PM | Report abuse "

It was the coming out party.

It was that stupid event that showed Gilby's true self centered ambitions.

From there, it crashed and burned.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | January 29, 2010 3:50 PM | Report abuse

"No doubt that "IF" gilbert doesn't tear up his knee things wudda been a lot different.

Posted by: VBFan | January 29, 2010 1:41 PM | Report abuse "

This team couldn't get out of the first round of the playoffs even with the 3 top guys healthy.

Gilby is a guy good for a scoring title b/c of the high number of shots he takes.....high scoring average doesn't equate to championship banners though.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | January 29, 2010 3:56 PM | Report abuse

and now that DCMan is here to rant and rave, I am out. Can we win tonight?

Posted by: Blurred | January 29, 2010 4:00 PM | Report abuse

Aren't we playing the Nets tonight?

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | January 29, 2010 4:02 PM | Report abuse

"Remember Gil got hurt when Eddie benched him for the first quarter of that game for being late. Had he started Gil, he most likely would not have been in the game at the start of the second quarter when he got hurt.

Posted by: 33dgriffin | January 29, 2010 2:24 PM | Report abuse "

And if Gilby wasn't stupid, he wouldn't have gone with the ill conceived rehab activities such as the parachute and the bike ride around town.

How about if Gilby wasn't stupid, he should have rested his dislocated clavicle during the all star game vice playing through it and then resulting in the team crashing from first place in the east to almost 8th place in the 2nd half of the season because he couldn't hit the side of a barn after that?

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | January 29, 2010 4:02 PM | Report abuse

"and now that DCMan is here to rant and rave, I am out. Can we win tonight?

Posted by: Blurred | January 29, 2010 4:00 PM | Report abuse "

Yay!!! I'm right!

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | January 29, 2010 4:07 PM | Report abuse

Thanks Gerald Wallace.

Posted by: iamse7en | January 29, 2010 4:11 PM | Report abuse

"Thanks Gerald Wallace.

Posted by: iamse7en | January 29, 2010 4:11 PM | Report abuse "

Gerald deserves to have his jersey retired at VC.....he revealed the true curse of "Les Boules"...

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | January 29, 2010 4:17 PM | Report abuse

Aren't we playing the Nets tonight?

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | January 29, 2010 4:02 PM

Yeah. They're on the schedule, but I'm not sure the Wizards are gonna be playin'.

LarryInClintonMD.

Or a Coach Coachin' either.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | January 29, 2010 4:29 PM | Report abuse

"Yeah. They're on the schedule, but I'm not sure the Wizards are gonna be playin'.

LarryInClintonMD.

Or a Coach Coachin' either.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | January 29, 2010 4:29 PM | Report abuse "

See what happens when the max money moron

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | January 29, 2010 4:33 PM | Report abuse

....goes off the deep end and distracts the team?

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | January 29, 2010 4:35 PM | Report abuse

Seems the max money moron was a distraction for some of us bloggers too.

Some Moreso Than Others.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | January 29, 2010 4:45 PM | Report abuse

Let's face the facts:

Led by Earl Monroe and Wes Unseld, the team improved dramatically in 1968, from 36 wins to 57. The Bullets reached the playoffs with high expectations, but were eliminated by the Knicks in the first round. The next season the two teams met again in the first round, and although this one went to 7 games, the Knicks emerged victorious again.

It's been all downhill since then.

Posted by: Samson151 | January 29, 2010 4:47 PM | Report abuse

Breakings news, An Englishman is playing for the Australion Open Finals.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | January 29, 2010 4:49 PM | Report abuse

It's been all downhill since then.

Posted by: Samson151 | January 29, 2010 4:47 PM

So I only imagined the subsequent championship and two appearances in the finals?

Posted by: learnedhand1 | January 29, 2010 4:52 PM | Report abuse

Let's face the facts:

Led by Earl Monroe and Wes Unseld, the team improved dramatically in 1968, from 36 wins to 57. The Bullets reached the playoffs with high expectations, but were eliminated by the Knicks in the first round. The next season the two teams met again in the first round, and although this one went to 7 games, the Knicks emerged victorious again.

It's been all downhill since then.

Posted by: Samson151 | January 29, 2010 4:47 PM

With all due respect, I think that Blurred has you on the older reasons.

Letting Mitch Kupchak get away, a blue blooded Tarheel is a good one.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | January 29, 2010 4:56 PM | Report abuse

"Seems the max money moron was a distraction for some of us bloggers too.

Some Moreso Than Others.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | January 29, 2010 4:45 PM | Report abuse "

Max money moron ruined the team and the franchise.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | January 29, 2010 5:02 PM | Report abuse

ALL OF THE ABOVE!

Posted by: original2cents | January 29, 2010 5:33 PM | Report abuse

"Remember Gil got hurt when Eddie benched him for the first quarter of that game for being late. Had he started Gil, he most likely would not have been in the game at the start of the second quarter when he got hurt.

Posted by: 33dgriffin | January 29, 2010 2:24 PM | Report abuse "

Gil would still have been in the game, because during that time, he always played all but 5 to 8 minutes of the game ( which so many of you complained about ... starters being played too many minutes ... but look at the bench ... who else was to play? I know ... Micheal Ruffin).

You all talk about the inmates running the asylum, but the coach stuck to his guns, and punished Gil like any one else would have been punished if they were late. And, Gil is still angry about not getting star treatment at that time.

Posted by: original2cents | January 29, 2010 5:56 PM | Report abuse

It would be nice if the Wizards made the playoffs. But, they won't, because they are a lottery team. However that's good because that will increase their chances of obtaining a high draft choice. Be positive folks. After the Wizards get a great draft choice, that player will become the answer to the question; When did the Wizards luck change to good?

Posted by: Theone9 | January 29, 2010 5:58 PM | Report abuse

It would be nice if the Wizards made the playoffs. But, they won't, because they are a lottery team. However that's good because that will increase their chances of obtaining a high draft choice. Be positive folks. After the Wizards get a great draft choice, that player will become the answer to the question; When did the Wizards luck change to good?

Posted by: Theone9 | January 29, 2010 5:58 PM

Theone9,

What evidentiary examples can you site that this franchise under EG and its coaches will do anything with a high draft choice or any young inexperienced player of promise?

Start with the current roster like in...hummmmn Javale McGee.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | January 29, 2010 6:15 PM | Report abuse

Boy, did anybody see that spanking that the POTUS gave to them Elephants today?

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | January 29, 2010 6:54 PM | Report abuse

I voted for the crippling contract for ARENAS. Whether this was primarily ABE's call, or ERNIE's doings, GIL's "home-team" discount severely ham-strung the franchise for a decade. AGENT ZERO only left maybe 6-7 million on the table. I do not blame ARENAS for this move. I put it squarely on the shoulders of ownership and management.

I do wonder what minority owner TED LEONSIS thought at the time. If he does ultimately acquire ownership of this franchise, his business acumen would be called into question if he supported the decision to go with ARENAS.

No one in their right mind would give such a contract to an injured player. It was pure entertainment over sports, and a fatal mistake for the team as a whole.

Posted by: glawrence007 | January 29, 2010 6:59 PM | Report abuse

Boy, did anybody see that spanking that the POTUS gave to them Elephants today?

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | January 29, 2010 6:54 PM | Report abuse

Wha-a-a????

Posted by: glawrence007 | January 29, 2010 7:10 PM | Report abuse

"Boy, did anybody see that spanking that the POTUS gave to them Elephants today?

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | January 29, 2010 6:54 PM | Report abuse "

But he looked like a crybaby last night.

A war president getting the Nobel?

What a joke.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1247049/Nobel-Peace-Prize-winner-Barack-Obama-ups-spending-nuclear-weapons-George-Bush.html

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | January 29, 2010 7:28 PM | Report abuse

Glawrence - yer Spiders are looking pretty good as the season draws down. Could we get both teams in the 64 this year? Plus ODU, Tech and UVA?

Now that is make basketball worth watching

Posted by: Blurred | January 29, 2010 7:30 PM | Report abuse

ummmm>>>>> I mean "that would make basketball worth watching."

I think wiz win tonight, but it may go OT.

Posted by: Blurred | January 29, 2010 7:32 PM | Report abuse

"Boy, did anybody see that spanking that the POTUS gave to them Elephants today?

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | January 29, 2010 6:54 PM | Report abuse "

But he looked like a crybaby last night.

A war president getting the Nobel?

What a joke.

LOL. Wasn't trying to wake you up with that comment. You already were live.

Sometimes I think the bloggers on here need a little zing, so I thought I'd see who would respond to a little politics.

The best thing posted in Mike Wise's blog this morning was his segway to what Ted Leonsis said this morning about the Deal, the Sale of the Wizards.

But it seems no one caught it but me. Ted Leonsis slammed the Pollins this morning and nobody commented on it but me.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | January 29, 2010 7:50 PM | Report abuse

"LOL. Wasn't trying to wake you up with that comment. You already were live.

Sometimes I think the bloggers on here need a little zing, so I thought I'd see who would respond to a little politics.

The best thing posted in Mike Wise's blog this morning was his segway to what Ted Leonsis said this morning about the Deal, the Sale of the Wizards.

But it seems no one caught it but me. Ted Leonsis slammed the Pollins this morning and nobody commented on it but me.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | January 29, 2010 7:50 PM | Report abuse "

"Zing?"

Don't pat yourself on the back too much, or you'll hurt yourself.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | January 29, 2010 8:13 PM | Report abuse

So it only took 9 posts before someone brought up Mason and Blair. Good job everyone else for not responding to that crap. Someone find me the universe where Roger Mason is any better than mediocre. The WOW comment about a Gilbert-Mason backcourt made me LOL on the WOW. Also, for credit given where credit's due, I think you make a good point Kal on the EJ hiring before EG hiring. I voted for the first injury - seems clear to me. But what's this "Lebron tapping Gil on the chest" stuff?? Does he mean Lebron whispering in Gil's ear before those free throws in the playoffs four years ago? Also, I do think it's telling that the HUGE winner is the first injury and the absolute bottom is the Gun Fight. I guess we all knew it was over before everything here imploded.

Posted by: Urnesto | January 29, 2010 8:22 PM | Report abuse

"So it only took 9 posts before someone brought up Mason and Blair. Good job everyone else for not responding to that crap. Someone find me the universe where Roger Mason is any better than mediocre. The WOW comment about a Gilbert-Mason backcourt made me LOL on the WOW. Also, for credit given where credit's due, I think you make a good point Kal on the EJ hiring before EG hiring. I voted for the first injury - seems clear to me. But what's this "Lebron tapping Gil on the chest" stuff?? Does he mean Lebron whispering in Gil's ear before those free throws in the playoffs four years ago? Also, I do think it's telling that the HUGE winner is the first injury and the absolute bottom is the Gun Fight. I guess we all knew it was over before everything here imploded.

Posted by: Urnesto | January 29, 2010 8:22 PM | Report abuse "

Could it be any worse than Gilby - MeShawn?

Gilby - NY?

Gilby - Boinkins?

Gilby - Dee Brown Jr?

Gilby - Foye?

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | January 29, 2010 8:29 PM | Report abuse

I picked the missed free throws, the team was never the same after that. BTW, how the #*!#*is that not a technical to walk over in the free throw circle, touch an opposing player, and whisper in his ear?!
I guess it sets a precedent- when we rebuild and are facing the Knicks in the playoffs we need to violate LeBron's personal space and whisper inflammatory things in his ear, tickle him, etc.,EVERY single time he shoots a free throw. After all, a precedent has been set and such behavior is 100% legal.

Posted by: junkiwonteverread | January 29, 2010 9:38 PM | Report abuse

It really started going wrong when Abe got a terminal desease and wanted to win one more before he passed away. So everything was done with that in mind....I am guessing but Abe went to Ernie and said..do what you have to do to win now. Even though the team needed to be torn down and rebuilt...Abe did not have the time for that hence, trade away the early pick last year and get players that could help today. Now the tear down and rebuild will truely begin...if not after this year.as soon as Ted takes over, if he does. See the only team in town winning...totally torn apart for picks and young players and build with players that have some loyality for the team.

Posted by: RichC3 | January 29, 2010 10:27 PM | Report abuse

They should have held out for a bright GM instead of hiring a retread/proven loser like Ernie.

Posted by: gbooksdc | January 29, 2010 10:32 PM | Report abuse

dude, even your link says 7.2 rpg in 07-08. What are you, Drunk?

I can't tell if this was a joke or not. Clearly, though, the context was points, not rebounds, i.e., "the scoring ability of two nonscoring, 9-year vets who've never averaged double-digits".

Posted by: joe_sill | January 30, 2010 12:07 AM | Report abuse

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