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Saunders says report of rift with Arenas "not true"

Flip Saunders disputed a published report of friction between him and all-star point guard Gilbert Arenas on Sunday. Adrian Wojnarowski of Yahoo! Sports wrote a story that mentions that Arenas "barely spoke to Saunders" during training camp and has become "increasingly belligerent and defiant" of Saunders in the past few months.

Wojnarowski went into some background about Arenas's pending trouble with legal authorities and Commissioner David Stern. He mentioned that his greatest problem could be with Stern, concluding the article with the powerful sentence: "It will be a good, long time before Gilbert Arenas is back in the NBA."

But the passage that upset Saunders went as follows:

"Arenas barely talked to coach Flip Saunders in training camp. Sources say his trainer, Tim Grover, spent time in Richmond, Va., for training camp and became, in the words of one team witness, "a buffer" between the coach and star. After the team broke camp and returned to Washington, Arenas became increasingly belligerent and defiant of Saunders. Witnesses insist he began to purposely disrupt practices. Privately, Wizards executives were conceding to friends, "We've lost control of this thing."

Saunders said he was informed of the story early today and denied its validity. "That's not true. Somebody had reported that we had some sort of confrontation after training camp. Where they got that information is totally untrue," Saunders said.

"He has not been in any situation along those lines. When we've been in meetings in film sessions, he's been on time. We chart our timeouts, we keep track of what guys are saying. He's been as much of a vocal leader as anybody on our team. That's one of the things, the situation that's happening, people try to lump a lot of things together. That's not fair to him."

Everyone is aware of "the situation that is happening" with Arenas's dispute with Javaris Crittenton nearly two weeks ago overshadowing anything that is happening on the basketball court -- where the Wizards have been especially bad this season. But now Saunders has another distraction on his hands, with news of an alleged rift with his star player now circulating. As Saunders walked away from reporters, I asked him what he thought about something like this getting out, and he said, "Don't let the facts get in the way of a good story."

By Michael Lee  |  January 3, 2010; 3:17 PM ET
 
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Woooo Hoooooo! FFFfffFFFfFFFFfFffFffffirst!!!!!!

Posted by: musicman65000 | January 3, 2010 3:45 PM | Report abuse

I wonder if JT the 3rd would like to coach in the NBA? He has his Hoyas looking good early in the season.

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | January 3, 2010 3:45 PM | Report abuse

People like to come on here and talk about how all NBA players are thugs, but it's the reaction to stories like this that shows how so many sportswriters (present company excluded) are just jackals, and how bitter and angry so many fans are. Because of the way people like Vecsey and Wojnarowski reported on this, Gilbert will forever be seen as a violent criminal in the minds of a lot of people who haven't had the pleasure to follow the guy's career. Yikes, and God knows how many times DC_MAN's pleasured himself to this story.

Posted by: IrenePollin | January 3, 2010 3:46 PM | Report abuse

As the world turns....

Posted by: SDMDTSU | January 3, 2010 3:46 PM | Report abuse

Irene,

Not "all" NBA playas are thugs, just some. I do think they are the most tatted of all the National sports. Not my thing but no biggie.

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | January 3, 2010 3:59 PM | Report abuse

By the way, I really don't think Arenas is a 'thug', he's just a complete imbecile. He isn't a troublemaker in the traditional NBA sense (aka Andrey Blatche), but he was obviously raised to think he is the center of the planet and is incapable of acting like an adult. He puts a ball into the basket -- nothing more, nothing else.

Posted by: awb9h | January 3, 2010 4:07 PM | Report abuse

Also, the greatest thing that may come of this year is we trade away one of the Washed Up Three for some draft picks and are able to void Arenas' contract. Just think what this would mean:

No more Jamison/Butler/Arenas destroying the team with their 'I'm a get mine' attitude.

We don't have to deal with Jamison and Arenas contract anymore.

We have significant cap space for this coming summer.

We can build around Blatche, Young, McGee with decent role players (Miller) in the future.

Posted by: awb9h | January 3, 2010 4:12 PM | Report abuse

BBBBBBBLLLLLLOOOOOOOOWWWWW IIIIIIITT UUUUUUUUUUUPPPP!!!

Posted by: sargeantmofo | January 3, 2010 4:13 PM | Report abuse

This is nothing more than rumors spread by other GMs who want to plunder the Wizards roster. The wizards may not be playing well together, but they have nice pieces. Other GMs around the league can't wait to get their hands on them. So they start rumors that will make u harder for the Wiz to get equal value.

Posted by: SteveBuckhantz | January 3, 2010 4:17 PM | Report abuse

I sometimes read the responses on this blog to remind myself that we don't deserve a decent NBA team. With insights like "build around Blatche, McGee, and Young," we'd be too stupid to appreciate a winning franchise if we had one.

Posted by: bryc3 | January 3, 2010 4:23 PM | Report abuse

A lot of 'famous people' (Irene Pollin & Steve Buckhantz) logged in here today...

Posted by: mohammed10 | January 3, 2010 4:27 PM | Report abuse

"We can build around Blatche, Young, McGee with decent role players (Miller) in the future."

Mcgee and Young dont even play, why would Flip want to build around them?


"...So they start rumors that will make u harder for the Wiz to get equal value.

Posted by: SteveBuckhantz | January 3, 2010 4:17 PM

exactly

Posted by: divi3 | January 3, 2010 4:28 PM | Report abuse

Anyone else get the sense that the "big" starting lineup last night was really an experiment to see if Antawn could play the 3? Something that Flip said in the postgame made me think that he really wants a low-post player at the 4. Maybe they're thinking of trading Butler for one of those and then plugging in Miller at the 2?

Posted by: dcball | January 3, 2010 4:45 PM | Report abuse

"Other GMs around the league can't wait to get their hands on them. So they start rumors that will make u harder for the Wiz to get equal value."

Conspiracy theories seldom contain much truth.

Posted by: nmik | January 3, 2010 4:59 PM | Report abuse

"Gilbert will forever be seen as a violent criminal in the minds of a lot of people who haven't had the pleasure to follow the guy's career."

As opposed to being forever seen as an idiot who was horsing around with guns in the locker room?

Posted by: Delle | January 3, 2010 5:26 PM | Report abuse

And by the way, I've had the pleasure of following the guy's career since he was signed by Washington.

He's been on the sidelines for two years, finally gets back and then pulls an idiotic stunt like this which will probably cost him a large portion of the rest of this season.

Some pleasure.

Posted by: Delle | January 3, 2010 5:32 PM | Report abuse

Gilbert isn't a thug--but based on this gun incident, he's apparently mentally retarded.

..and if Crit really "threw" a handgun across the locker room as reported, he's a candidate for the Special Olympics as well. That's the kind of imbecilic crap that could accidentally kill somebody (yes I know the gun wasn't loaded--but did he?).

They should both be suspended for at least 40 games, maybe an entire season, maybe worse. What a couple of idiots!

Posted by: Plix | January 3, 2010 5:44 PM | Report abuse

"Anyone else get the sense that the "big" starting lineup last night was really an experiment to see if Antawn could play the 3? Something that Flip said in the postgame made me think that he really wants a low-post player at the 4. Maybe they're thinking of trading Butler for one of those and then plugging in Miller at the 2?"

Every coach (except for Nellie and maybe D'Antoni) wants a low post player. But I don't see much chance that any team that has a legit low-post player would trade him for the likes of Butler.

Posted by: kalo_rama | January 3, 2010 5:49 PM | Report abuse

...and actually I DON'T know the gun wasn't loaded. Every other claim Gil has made in this whole mess has turned out to be a flat-out lie. All 3 guns had bullets in the chamber for all I know.

I used to look up to the man. Now he turns out to be a tragically stupid liar and a dangerous idiot. I'm just disgusted with him, the Wizards organization, and the whole damn culture in the NBA. Our money is clearly better spent elsewhere.

Posted by: Plix | January 3, 2010 5:54 PM | Report abuse

Given all of this alarmist talk about Arenas being "out of the NBA" as a result of this, it's worth noting that despite the fact that it's been confirmed that he brought guns into the locker room and the investigation has been ongoing for weeks, Arenas has yet to be suspended, either by the team or the league.

Posted by: kalo_rama | January 3, 2010 5:55 PM | Report abuse

thankfully i never looked up to Gil or any other pro athlete, and i'm not sure why people do.

america is steeped in gun culture, so none of this surprises me, though my perception of Gil as a flaky dude has been replaced with that of him as a complete idiot

Posted by: divi3 | January 3, 2010 5:59 PM | Report abuse

divi3--

Who knows how much of it is a media construct, but I DID look up to Gil for the fact that he overcame a rough upbringing and an unconventional natural talent/skillset to rise through the ranks of the NBA based on his reputation as a hard working gym rat. He appeared to be somebody who overcame his limitations by working incredibly hard, and being passionate about what he did and how he did it. To me, those traits were admirable.

But indeed, if any of that stuff was actually true, he has managed to negate all of it by being a Grade A dips**t.

Posted by: Plix | January 3, 2010 6:08 PM | Report abuse

I hate to agree with kalorama about anything, but I have to believe the team and league haven't heard anything that sounded remotely dangerous from a credible source yet.

Put yourself in the other players' shoes. If Gilbert and/or Crit really did have a loaded gun and was brandishing it in the locker room, would you stand for it? Wouldn't /someone/ on the team have come forward by now and told Grunfeld or Stern to suspend (and arrest) one of these guys immediately? If two guys in your office had an argument involving loaded guns, would you wait two weeks before you talked to HR about it?

My guess is that the players never felt threatened, which is why this story simmered for a week without any real facts coming out. Had the situation ever been dangerous, someone would have called him out and the authorities would have acted sooner.

Doesn't excuse Gilbert's idiocy for one moment, but does lend some credence to the idea that this was a bad joke gone awry.

Posted by: bryc3 | January 3, 2010 6:24 PM | Report abuse

Sounds to me like Irene Pollin and Family are taking this seriously and will deal with Gilby as appropriate.

It doesn't matter what people here think or attempt to play down what happened.

It was both illegal and stupid.

Gilby will pay dearly....and deservedly so.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | January 3, 2010 6:27 PM | Report abuse

"I hate to agree with kalorama about anything"

It's not like it's doing me any favors, either.

Posted by: kalo_rama | January 3, 2010 6:30 PM | Report abuse

Gil is tweeting right now...again.

Posted by: SDMDTSU | January 3, 2010 6:31 PM | Report abuse

"Sounds to me like Irene Pollin and Family are taking this seriously and will deal with Gilby as appropriate."

There's really no reason for the Pollin family to deal with it at all. The team is in the process of being sold, at which point the whole thing will be the new owner's headache. Certainly any thoughts about the team seeking to void Arenas' contract are tabled until the new regime takes over.

Posted by: kalo_rama | January 3, 2010 6:31 PM | Report abuse

Other GMs around the league can't wait to get their hands on them. So they start rumors that will make u harder for the Wiz to get equal value.

Posted by: SteveBuckhantz | January 3, 2010 4:17 PM | Report abuse

Other GMs have better things to do than spread rumors.

The problem (since most of you can't see the big picture) is the Washington Post sucks as a newspaper.

Nixon would still be in office if the post reporters back then were as bad as they are now?

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | January 3, 2010 6:46 PM | Report abuse

Gil is pretty much tweeting directly at Peter Vecsey.

Posted by: SDMDTSU | January 3, 2010 6:47 PM | Report abuse

"There's really no reason for the Pollin family to deal with it at all. The team is in the process of being sold, at which point the whole thing will be the new owner's headache. Certainly any thoughts about the team seeking to void Arenas' contract are tabled until the new regime takes over.

Posted by: kalo_rama | January 3, 2010 6:31 PM | Report abuse "


They are dealing with it, otherwise, they would instruct management to stand down until ownership has changed, but they haven't.


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WASHINGTON (AP) -- The family of former Washington Wizards owner Abe Pollin is speaking out about the investigation into Gilbert Arenas and guns in the locker room.

A statement released by the family Saturday night says: "The fact that guns were brought to the Verizon Center is dangerous and disappointing and showed extremely poor judgment."

The statements adds that guns "have absolutely no place in a workplace environment and we will take further steps to ensure this never happens again."

The U.S. Attorney's Office and police have been investigating the matter since it was revealed on Christmas Eve that Arenas had kept guns in his locker.

Pollin died Nov. 24, and his family continues to run the team during the transition to a new ownership group.


http://www.wusa9.com/news/local/story.aspx?storyid=95480&provider=top

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | January 3, 2010 6:48 PM | Report abuse

"Gil is pretty much tweeting directly at Peter Vecsey.

Posted by: SDMDTSU | January 3, 2010 6:47 PM | Report abuse "

Who cares?

Are you his PR person?

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | January 3, 2010 6:48 PM | Report abuse

There's really no reason for the Pollin family to deal with it at all.

Posted by: kalo_rama | January 3, 2010 6:31 PM | Report abuse

How about trying to bring up the value of the club?

Maybe the new owner will realize the organization is as bad as I have been telling people for the last couple of years.

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | January 3, 2010 6:51 PM | Report abuse

"Other GMs have better things to do than spread rumors.

The problem (since most of you can't see the big picture) is the Washington Post sucks as a newspaper.

Nixon would still be in office if the post reporters back then were as bad as they are now?

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | January 3, 2010 6:46 PM | Report abuse "

And, that idiot Wilbon recommended blowing up the team by trading away MeTawn and Caron....not the heart of the problem, Gilby, at all costs.

Wilbon said he would only keep 3 players on this team if reasonable, and they be BTH, Foye, and Eminem.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | January 3, 2010 6:52 PM | Report abuse

Besides bringing guns into VC, Gilby clearly lied when he said he only brought the guns b/c he removed them from his house due to the birth of his baby.

Now, the revelation is because it was for a "joke gone bad."

Gilby cannot be trusted as far as you can throw him.

....as he continues to make light of the situation despite the Pollin family's clear disapproval of what happened.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | January 3, 2010 7:00 PM | Report abuse

"The problem (since most of you can't see the big picture) is the Washington Post sucks as a newspaper."

was there ANY source reporting the Gil-Flip rift as far back as training camp? I dont think there was and the timing reeks of bs.

Hey Mike Lee, you've supposedly followed the team closely- how about your opinion on the yahoo-sports story rather than just restating it?

Posted by: divi3 | January 3, 2010 7:19 PM | Report abuse

That yahoo sports article was trash... no sources, nothing. What a joke.

Posted by: Imjustlikemusiq | January 3, 2010 7:36 PM | Report abuse

Accoutabilty? glawrence007; You're kidding right.........

Posted by: dargregmag | January 3, 2010 2:22 PM | Report abuse

No-o-o-o, I'm not kidding. If you think TL is going to cancel his total management team and start over without a shake-down cruise think again. The inmates will no longer run the institution. Before ERNIE GRUNFELD and FLIP SAUNDERS go, there's going to be a lot of new faces on the floor for this team. The ones missing will be the ones that ABE POLLIN had a particular fondness for and fawned over, if you get my drift. LEONSIS wants to have some surgery performed to remove the cancers before he pronounces the patient WIZARDS healed or deceased.

Posted by: glawrence007 | January 3, 2010 7:42 PM | Report abuse

In regard to this article, good for you FLIP. Stand by your man.

Posted by: glawrence007 | January 3, 2010 7:43 PM | Report abuse

I used to look up to the man. Now he turns out to be a tragically stupid liar and a dangerous idiot. I'm just disgusted with him, the Wizards organization, and the whole damn culture in the NBA. Our money is clearly better spent elsewhere.

Posted by: Plix | January 3, 2010 5:54 PM | Report abuse

Now that I roll with.

Posted by: glawrence007 | January 3, 2010 7:45 PM | Report abuse

Oh, and all is forgiven when the WIZARDS put another NBA banner in the rafters.

Posted by: glawrence007 | January 3, 2010 7:46 PM | Report abuse

Oh, and all is forgiven when the WIZARDS put another NBA banner in the rafters.

Posted by: glawrence007 | January 3, 2010 7:46 PM |

You talk so highly of TL but you know what he might have a good team but WHERE ARE THEY KEEPING LORD STANLEYS CUP AT LOL oh thats right they have not won the cup LMFAO

Posted by: rnorris6 | January 3, 2010 8:10 PM | Report abuse

"WASHINGTON (AP) -- The family of former Washington Wizards owner Abe Pollin is speaking out about the investigation into Gilbert Arenas and guns in the locker room.

A statement released by the family Saturday night says: "The fact that guns were brought to the Verizon Center is dangerous and disappointing and showed extremely poor judgment."

The statements adds that guns "have absolutely no place in a workplace environment and we will take further steps to ensure this never happens again."

The U.S. Attorney's Office and police have been investigating the matter since it was revealed on Christmas Eve that Arenas had kept guns in his locker.

Pollin died Nov. 24, and his family continues to run the team during the transition to a new ownership group.


http://www.wusa9.com/news/local/story.aspx?storyid=95480&provider=top"

Gilby has clearly disgraced the Pollin name and what Abe stood for.

If this news would have happened while Abe was alive, it might have been enough to bring him down.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | January 3, 2010 8:15 PM | Report abuse

"If this news would have happened while Abe was alive, it might have been enough to bring him down."

But it didn't happen when Abe was alive. it happened after he died and while the team is in the process of transferring ownership. Whatever outrage Irene and Co. may feel, it would make no sense from a business standpoint for them to initiate any kind of permanent action against Arenas.

Posted by: kalo_rama | January 3, 2010 8:20 PM | Report abuse

"I used to look up to the man."

Unless you're a 13-year-old with aspirations of being a pro yourself one day, "looking up" to pro athletes is a generally ill-advised idea. They're paid entertainers, not cultural heroes.

Posted by: kalo_rama | January 3, 2010 8:23 PM | Report abuse

"it would make no sense from a business standpoint for them to initiate any kind of permanent action against Arenas."

successfully voiding his contract would make great sense from a business standpoint.

Posted by: divi3 | January 3, 2010 8:25 PM | Report abuse

"But it didn't happen when Abe was alive. it happened after he died and while the team is in the process of transferring ownership. Whatever outrage Irene and Co. may feel, it would make no sense from a business standpoint for them to initiate any kind of permanent action against Arenas.

Posted by: kalo_rama | January 3, 2010 8:20 PM | Report abuse "

It may or may not make sense...whatever the case, they are proceeding business as usual until the transfer of ownership is consummated.

------------------------------------------

"WASHINGTON (AP) -- The family of former Washington Wizards owner Abe Pollin is speaking out about the investigation into Gilbert Arenas and guns in the locker room.

A statement released by the family Saturday night says: "The fact that guns were brought to the Verizon Center is dangerous and disappointing and showed extremely poor judgment."

The statements adds that guns "have absolutely no place in a workplace environment and we will take further steps to ensure this never happens again."

The U.S. Attorney's Office and police have been investigating the matter since it was revealed on Christmas Eve that Arenas had kept guns in his locker.

Pollin died Nov. 24, and his family continues to run the team during the transition to a new ownership group.


http://www.wusa9.com/news/local/story.aspx?storyid=95480&provider=top"

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | January 3, 2010 8:25 PM | Report abuse

"They are dealing with it, otherwise, they would instruct management to stand down until ownership has changed, but they haven't."

And how do you know what management has been instructed to do? To reiterate my earlier point, despite confirmation of the presence of guns in the locker room and ongoing State and Federal investigations, Wizards' management has taken no action against Arenas other than a limply-worded press release, a press release which, in no way, shape, or form, indicates that they plan on taking any action against Arenas (or Crittenton).

Posted by: kalo_rama | January 3, 2010 8:26 PM | Report abuse

"It may or may not make sense...whatever the case, they are proceeding business as usual until the transfer of ownership is consummated."

Which was exactly my point.

Posted by: kalo_rama | January 3, 2010 8:27 PM | Report abuse

it would make no sense from a business standpoint for them to initiate any kind of permanent action against Arenas."

successfully voiding his contract would make great sense from a business standpoint.

Posted by: divi3 | January 3, 2010 8:25 PM


WHAT YOU DONT REALISE is that short of gilbert arenas being tried and convicted the team CAN NOT void his contract

Posted by: rnorris6 | January 3, 2010 8:29 PM | Report abuse

WHAT YOU DONT REALISE is that short of gilbert arenas being tried and convicted the team CAN NOT void his contract

Posted by: rnorris6 | January 3, 2010 8:29 PM | Report abuse

No, I think charged is good enough.

Posted by: glawrence007 | January 3, 2010 8:31 PM | Report abuse

No, I think charged is good enough.

Posted by: glawrence007 | January 3, 2010

WELL think again because he has to be tried and convicted and i am not just talking I know it for a fact

Posted by: rnorris6 | January 3, 2010 8:34 PM | Report abuse

Oh, and even if I'm wrong, DAVID STERN won't be. ARENAS will pay severely for this stupid gambit.

Posted by: glawrence007 | January 3, 2010 8:34 PM | Report abuse

"successfully voiding his contract would make great sense from a business standpoint."

Not if the new owner wanted to keep him it wouldn't. Which is why, as I've maintained all along, we're unlikely to see any major player movement of any kind until the ownership transfer is completed.

And even if they did initiate proceedings to void Arenas' contract, such a proceeding would (A) almost certainly be preceded by his suspension (which has not happened) and (B) would involve a lengthy legal battle with Arenas' agents and the players' union (C) most likely not be resolved until the season was over.

Leonsis is already committed to owning the team, so there's no need to start rearranging the furniture to make the showroom look good to him. Now, if the deal with Leonsis falls through and the team goes on the open market, then there would be some incentive to start pruning some dead wood. But that point hasn't been reached yet.

Posted by: kalo_rama | January 3, 2010 8:35 PM | Report abuse

The only option is trading him to another team

Posted by: rnorris6 | January 3, 2010 8:36 PM | Report abuse

"No, I think charged is good enough."

It might be good enough for them to try, but nothing short of Arenas' conviction and jail time would give them any real odds of success. And even then, the team's chances of success are far from 100%

Posted by: kalo_rama | January 3, 2010 8:37 PM | Report abuse

"WHAT YOU DONT REALISE is that short of gilbert arenas being tried and convicted the team CAN NOT void his contract"

no one is disputing the fool brought 3 guns to the locker room and had them out of his supposedly secure locker. That would be his 2nd gun violation.

they could definitely make a play against the remainder of his contract under league guidelines

Posted by: divi3 | January 3, 2010 8:37 PM | Report abuse

You talk so highly of TL but you know what he might have a good team but WHERE ARE THEY KEEPING LORD STANLEYS CUP AT LOL oh thats right they have not won the cup LMFAO

Posted by: rnorris6 | January 3, 2010 8:10 PM | Report abuse

Let's have your real name and address. Inquiring minds want to know.

Posted by: glawrence007 | January 3, 2010 8:38 PM | Report abuse

And even if they did initiate proceedings to void Arenas' contract, such a proceeding would (A) almost certainly be preceded by his suspension (which has not happened) and (B) would involve a lengthy legal battle with Arenas' agents

Hey Kalo last i heard Gilbert Arenas has no agent

Posted by: rnorris6 | January 3, 2010 8:39 PM | Report abuse

WHERE ARE THEY KEEPING LORD STANLEYS CUP AT LOL oh thats right they have not won the cup LMFAO

In the ante room being engraved with the CAPS logo.

Posted by: glawrence007 | January 3, 2010 8:39 PM | Report abuse

"The only option is trading him to another team."

That option is pretty much off the table.

Posted by: kalo_rama | January 3, 2010 8:40 PM | Report abuse

Let's have your real name and address. Inquiring minds want to know.

Posted by: glawrence007 | January 3, 2010


Man what kind of dope are you on since when is my private life any of your buiseness Man I seen it all on here now LMFAO

Posted by: rnorris6 | January 3, 2010 8:42 PM | Report abuse

In the ante room being engraved with the CAPS logo.

Posted by: glawrence007 | January 3, 2010 8:39 PM

Well then I want to see them engraving a trophy they never won under Uncle Teds ownership

Posted by: rnorris6 | January 3, 2010 8:45 PM | Report abuse

"Leonsis is already committed to owning the team, so there's no need to start rearranging the furniture to make the showroom look good to him."

was a price preset? I have no idea, but if there is still an issue of how much he's going to pay for the team, Gil's contract gone would increase the value of the franchise.

Posted by: divi3 | January 3, 2010 8:46 PM | Report abuse

"I have no idea, but if there is still an issue of how much he's going to pay for the team, Gil's contract gone would increase the value of the franchise."

Even if true (and, strictly speaking, it's not), Leonsis entered into negotiations for the team with Arenas included. So, clearly, the cost of his contract was not a deterrent to him.

Posted by: kalo_rama | January 3, 2010 8:52 PM | Report abuse

The Pollin family's statement pretty much ends Arenas' career as a Wizards. Even if he isn't suspended after the D.C. police finish their investigation and determine whether formal charges will be made, Agent Zero is going to be suuspended by David Stern and the NBA. The fact that the Pollin family has said they will take whatever actions are needed to prevent something like this happening is a clear message that they know as much as they need to issue a public statement.

In the past, Abe Pollin stood by players such as Chris Webber and John Williams as they worked through their off the court issues. that doesn't appear to be the case any longer with Arenas who had already exhausted the patience of the front office and his teammmates. The latest incident is a huge embarrassment to the entire organization and reflects very poorly on Arenas as the face of the franchsie.

I would think the Wizards would have grounds under the 'good conduct' clause to void his contract even if the NBA Players Assoc. tried to sue. I also couldn't see new ownership wanting any part of Arenas based on Leonsis history of dealing Jagr after his gambling and tax issues became public. Arenas is a as good as gone which will allow the team to start the rebuilding process.

Posted by: wizfan89 | January 3, 2010 8:55 PM | Report abuse

"Even if true (and, strictly speaking, it's not), Leonsis entered into negotiations for the team with Arenas included. So, clearly, the cost of his contract was not a deterrent to him."

I said Arenas' contract affects the bottom-line value of the franchise which isnt the same thing as being a deterent to Leonsis purchasing is it?

Posted by: divi3 | January 3, 2010 9:02 PM | Report abuse

No news is good news.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | January 3, 2010 9:04 PM | Report abuse

"No news is good news.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | January 3, 2010 9:04 PM | Report abuse "

That's b/c Gilby is scheduled to meet with law enforcement and the DA(s) tomorrow.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | January 3, 2010 9:09 PM | Report abuse

Had to happen. GILBERT just can't help himself.

Posted by: glawrence007 | January 3, 2010 9:13 PM | Report abuse

"Not if the new owner wanted to keep him it wouldn't. Which is why, as I've maintained all along, we're unlikely to see any major player movement of any kind until the ownership transfer is completed.

And even if they did initiate proceedings to void Arenas' contract, such a proceeding would (A) almost certainly be preceded by his suspension (which has not happened) and (B) would involve a lengthy legal battle with Arenas' agents and the players' union (C) most likely not be resolved until the season was over.

Leonsis is already committed to owning the team, so there's no need to start rearranging the furniture to make the showroom look good to him. Now, if the deal with Leonsis falls through and the team goes on the open market, then there would be some incentive to start pruning some dead wood. But that point hasn't been reached yet.

Posted by: kalo_rama | January 3, 2010 8:35 PM | Report abuse "

There was a report yesterday that the Pollin family gave EG authority to proceed with business as usual with regard to running the team.

EG would not have reached out to other teams about potential trades if his hands were tied until the sale of this team was consummated.

Also, with the trade deadline looming, and unknown when the sale of this franchise will be consummated, I doubt if either the Pollin family or Leonsis and his investors want to sit on this rotten egg until next season.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | January 3, 2010 9:14 PM | Report abuse

"Had to happen. GILBERT just can't help himself.

Posted by: glawrence007 | January 3, 2010 9:13 PM | Report abuse "

Stoopid is what stoopid does.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | January 3, 2010 9:16 PM | Report abuse

IRENE POLLIN:

"God knows how many times DC_MAN's pleasured himself to this story."

Don't forget me dear. Heh, heh, heh.

Posted by: glawrence007 | January 3, 2010 9:25 PM | Report abuse

Stoopid is what stoopid does.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | January 3, 2010 9:16 PM | Report abuse

I roll with that Mr. MANN.

Posted by: glawrence007 | January 3, 2010 9:26 PM | Report abuse

"And how do you know what management has been instructed to do? To reiterate my earlier point, despite confirmation of the presence of guns in the locker room and ongoing State and Federal investigations, Wizards' management has taken no action against Arenas other than a limply-worded press release, a press release which, in no way, shape, or form, indicates that they plan on taking any action against Arenas (or Crittenton).

Posted by: kalo_rama | January 3, 2010 8:26 PM | Report abuse "

As reported, Wiz management is waiting until the cops complete their investigation. From there, the sh!t will hit the fan.

Nobody expects Wiz management to do anything before that, but I'm sure several scenarios/penalties have been formulated with buy in from the Pollins. Enaction pending the completion of the report or result of any trials.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | January 3, 2010 9:27 PM | Report abuse

"Yikes, and God knows how many times DC_MAN's pleasured himself to this story.

Posted by: IrenePollin | January 3, 2010 3:46 PM | Report abuse "

Not as many times as I've used your mom's mouth as a c*m bucket.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | January 3, 2010 9:28 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: kalo_rama | January 3, 2010 8:26 PM | Report abuse "

As reported, Wiz management is waiting until the cops complete their investigation. From there, the sh!t will hit the fan.

kalo:

I gotta' say this is differewnt man. This is a potential felony charge, and from what I've read a pretty cut and dried conviction. The D.C. gun statutes don't allow much leeway when guns in public and the proximity of other people are concerned. I haven't read every one, but what I've see seems to say possession alone in public is a felony, potentially at least. There's no way DAVID STERN is gonna' let this slide. This is NOT something GIL needs to be out in frony of.

Posted by: glawrence007 | January 3, 2010 9:33 PM | Report abuse

The way criminal investigations usually work, interested parties are advised to keep clear until charges are filed (or not). That would certainly include the employing NBA club. Any attempt to 'punish' Arenas or impose league discipline could be construed later as prejudicial. Even strong statements from the Wiz, if they criticized Arenas directly, could cause problems later.

So employers usually resort to vagaries and general statements that support current policy and emphasize the need to wait til the investigation is completed.

There's one exception: the Wiz could suspend him with pay pending the outcome. I'm a little surprised they haven't already done so. That's based on the potentially severe felony charge that could emerge.

Meanwhile the value of the asset (in this case, Gilbert Arenas) decreases. And so does the value of the franchise itself, to some unknown extent.

Posted by: Samson151 | January 3, 2010 9:54 PM | Report abuse

There's one exception: the Wiz could suspend him with pay pending the outcome. I'm a little surprised they haven't already done so. That's based on the potentially severe felony charge that could emerge.

Meanwhile the value of the asset (in this case, Gilbert Arenas) decreases. And so does the value of the franchise itself, to some unknown extent.

Posted by: Samson151 | January 3, 2010 9:54 PM | Report abuse

I don't know the details of GA's contract or the NBA rules, but that certainly appears to be a reasonable take on this situation.

Posted by: glawrence007 | January 3, 2010 10:00 PM | Report abuse

As to the comments we're seeing here, seems to me they break along 'partisan' lines. I doubt Gilbert reads this blog -- he's more a tweeter -- and most of his true fans are probably over there awaiting his next utterance, as long as it's no longer than 1200 characters. This blog is more the province of folks who get acid reflux at the mere mention of Arenas' name (you know who you are). It's sort of like reading George Will's column -- you already know which side he's going to take before you open the paper.

The big issue IMO, and several posters have brought it up, is how this will affect the transfer of ownership and the team's immediate future, including Ernie Grunfeld's.

Posted by: Samson151 | January 3, 2010 10:05 PM | Report abuse

I would certainly suspend Gilby just on the fact that he brought the weapons to the VC.

And, as I've said before, who knows...maybe the team will start playing better again without him.

I know the team is tired of his distractions.

Enjoy this:

-------------------------------------------

Said Mason: "We're all human and nobody's perfect. . . . There's just certain things that you don't do. That's one of them. I'm happy that on this team, nobody's worried about making headlines for the wrong reasons."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/01/02/AR2010010202115.html

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | January 3, 2010 10:07 PM | Report abuse

I'd rather not move Arenas before the trade deadline, we'll get fleeced.

He's playing better and better and finding a new game for himself given the limitations on his knee. You can see him bringing runners and other wrinkles that weren't there pre-injury. He's going to start scoring more easily, imho, and be a top player again. His current play is actually pretty good.

Could end up a blessing in disguise if we cant move him now, and I hope EG isnt basically going to take the best deal he can get by the deadline no matter how bad that deal is.


Posted by: divi3 | January 3, 2010 10:28 PM | Report abuse

"I'd rather not move Arenas before the trade deadline, we'll get fleeced.

He's playing better and better and finding a new game for himself given the limitations on his knee. You can see him bringing runners and other wrinkles that weren't there pre-injury. He's going to start scoring more easily, imho, and be a top player again. His current play is actually pretty good.

Could end up a blessing in disguise if we cant move him now, and I hope EG isnt basically going to take the best deal he can get by the deadline no matter how bad that deal is.


Posted by: divi3 | January 3, 2010 10:28 PM | Report abuse "

Gilby's latest drama probably makes him even more untradeable above and beyond his stupid max money contract vs. output.

Who's going to take on a player who might get suspended for a long period of time?

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | January 3, 2010 10:37 PM | Report abuse

"Who's going to take on a player who might get suspended for a long period of time?"

Cant a player be moved with their former team still obligated to a portion of their salary? That scenario is the only way a team would take him, and I hope EG doesnt consider that an acceptable option

Posted by: divi3 | January 3, 2010 10:47 PM | Report abuse

The fact that Gilbert was able to bring and display weapons in the lockerroom without being punished by the Wizards shows just how bad things are with this franchise.

What self-respecting team would tolerate something like that on any level from any of its players?

Who cares about waiting for the law enforcement investigation to be completed?? Can't the Wiz go ahead and regulate their own??

Gilbert has been allowed to do what he wants to do when he wants to do it for years...then they maxed him out...and now they can't reel things in.

The Wiz deserve every bit of this nonsense.

Posted by: p1funk | January 3, 2010 10:59 PM | Report abuse

Something that Flip said in the postgame made me think that he really wants a low-post player at the 4.

Posted by: dcball | January 3, 2010 4:45 PM | Report abuse


Of course he does. He's coached KG and was successful with Sheed at the 4 w/ Pistons.

Any franchise that's seriously interested in being competitive wants a legit low-post player at the 4.

Only poser wannabe teams like the Wiz and any Don Nelson-coached team would start a player like AJ at the 4.

Posted by: p1funk | January 3, 2010 11:03 PM | Report abuse

I'd rather not move Arenas before the trade deadline, we'll get fleeced.

Posted by: divi3 | January 3, 2010 10:28 PM | Report abuse


Have you been reading headlines?

Have you been watching games?

Are you aware of the Wizard's record?

Do you realize this team is over the cap?


We've already been fleeced.

Posted by: p1funk | January 3, 2010 11:05 PM | Report abuse

The reports that the Wiz are trying to trade Arenas are bogus. The guy has been in no off the court trouble since being with the Wiz. Why would a bad prank be the straw that broke the camels back unless their is other stuff been going on that they have never reported? Flip himself stated that he's had no problems with Gil.
Go ahead..pile it on..with the rest of the wanna be reporters and their "sources".

Posted by: ptp23 | January 3, 2010 11:30 PM | Report abuse

A new cliche worth using, along the lines of "like the difference between night and day", or "your comparing apples and oranges"

ON A MATTER OF CLASS, INTEGRITY, INTELLIGENCE AND HONOR

"It's like comparing Gilbert Arenas to Roger Mason Jr."

RMJ, DC, MD AND VA is proud of you!

Posted by: jshavatt | January 3, 2010 11:37 PM | Report abuse

Gilbert has been allowed to do what he wants to do when he wants to do it for years...then they maxed him out...and now they can't reel things in.

The Wiz deserve every bit of this nonsense.

Posted by: p1funk | January 3, 2010 10:59 PM | Report abuse

p1funk

I'm sure the Wizards are afraid of a lawsuit and I agree with them they have to protect themselves until there are legal charges brought against Gil.

If you've ever read any of my post I am the last one to defend the organization, but I believe Abe was a little like Regan during the Iran-Contra days he didn't know what was going on.

I believe Abe ran the club with integrity and cared about the fans, the players and his employers. The two problems Abe had was he was too loyal and (he like Kal who knows nothing about basketball and) left it in the hands of Ernie who was the architect of this team and he has to be the first to go.

Hopefully the new owner will go out and over pay for a great GM that will make the right moves, but please remember I said it first; it will take 5 years before this team gets back into the playoffs.

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | January 3, 2010 11:38 PM | Report abuse

"Who cares about waiting for the law enforcement investigation to be completed?? Can't the Wiz go ahead and regulate their own??"

They're probably being advised not to, by their own counsel. If a criminal charge is forthcoming, then they may want to try voiding the contract (good luck, but there's a lot of cash at stake, and they may take that chance.) If no charge appears, or if it's inconsequential, then the team will probably defer to the NBA for any disciplinary action, per union agreement. Think Michael Vick.

Depending on how this all turns out, there's plenty of time to make a move. Meanwhile they can make broad general statements of disapproval regarding players packing heat in the locker room. When did that become sacred terrirory, by the way? I've spent plenty of time in locker rooms, and outside of the media, never regarded it as a place of sanctuary. It's just a big room full of stinky socks.

Posted by: Samson151 | January 4, 2010 12:07 AM | Report abuse

Meanwhile they can make broad general statements of disapproval regarding players packing heat in the locker room. When did that become sacred terrirory, by the way?

Posted by: Samson151 | January 4, 2010 12:07 AM | Report abuse

Since the NBA can't run the players lives (telling them they can't own guns since it's a constitutional right) they did get put into the collective bargaining agreement that firearms were not allowed on NBA property. That is the line Gil crossed.

I’m sure the NBA will suspend and fine him.

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | January 4, 2010 12:27 AM | Report abuse

Addition by subtraction

The key now is will Foye and Young be the guard tandem for the rest of the season or what the new configuration will be. And how does Zero's removal affect draft status or trades/deals...Zero's personal/professional life is his problem.

Posted by: kahlua87 | January 4, 2010 4:23 AM | Report abuse

Hopefully the new owner will go out and over pay for a great GM that will make the right moves, but please remember I said it first; it will take 5 years before this team gets back into the playoffs.


Posted by: bulletsfan78 | January 3, 2010 11:38 PM | Report abuse

I will certainly deny that you said it first, but I absolutely agree it would have taken five to straighten out this mess. If GRUNFELD gets out from under this ARENAS contract over this, it will take less, but still...... years.

Posted by: glawrence007 | January 4, 2010 6:26 AM | Report abuse

Removing Arenas is not rebuilding, it is a success to be in playoff and with some adjustment to be a contender in the east.We need to look back how he has been distructive to this ball club.He did not deserve to sign for that big money.His dismisal is a great opportunity for D.C area basketball fans, it is so boring to see his face on the screeen. His lossing attitude should go with AJ's poor defensive presence,the team will be successful.

Posted by: gtefferra | January 4, 2010 6:39 AM | Report abuse

One man's opinion regarding the 2010-2011 WIZARDS:

Survivors on a new team:

HAYWOOD
BLATCHE
McGEE
JAMISON
MILLER
YOUNG

Possibles:

OBERTO
McGUIRE
FOYE
BOYKINS

Gone sooner or later by next season:

BUTLER*
ARENAS*
STEVENSON*
JAMES
CRITTENTON

*Signed for next year

Posted by: glawrence007 | January 4, 2010 7:02 AM | Report abuse

"Since the NBA can't run the players lives (telling them they can't own guns since it's a constitutional right) they did get put into the collective bargaining agreement that firearms were not allowed on NBA property. That is the line Gil crossed"

I'm aware of that. I'm sure the NBA's attorneys have read the Second Amendment. The issue isn't whether he gets suspended and fined by the league; it's whether there are sufficient grounds to void that humongous contract.

Posted by: Samson151 | January 4, 2010 8:13 AM | Report abuse

bulletsfan78: "I believe Abe ran the club with integrity and cared about the fans, the players and his employers. The two problems Abe had was he was too loyal and (he like Kal who knows nothing about basketball and) left it in the hands of Ernie who was the architect of this team and he has to be the first to go."

I don't think that's a defensible argument. It requires us to see Abe as rather soft-headed, and I don't think he was. Of course I don't think Ronald Reagan was, either, although incipient slow-developing Alzheimer's was something we didn't know about at the time.

Easier for me to believe that Pollin, anxious for one more title before he died, would have instructed Grunfeld to keep the team's core together. Make it work, he might well have said. We can judge Ernie on whether he inadvertently gave away the store in the process, but it's difficult to believe this was all his idea.

Posted by: Samson151 | January 4, 2010 8:20 AM | Report abuse

"Gil is pretty much tweeting directly at Peter Vecsey.

Posted by: SDMDTSU | January 3, 2010 6:47 PM | Report abuse "

Who cares?

Are you his PR person?

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | January 3, 2010 6:48 PM | Report abuse

No clown. Some people actually would like to get something about the situation from someone actually involved. Critt isn't speaking and the articles are unreliable.

I forgot you're more like a teenage school girl and you're into gossip. I think you proved that with link after link from gossip sites about Shaq. Grow a pair.

Posted by: SDMDTSU | January 4, 2010 8:31 AM | Report abuse

Gil should have kept his mouth shut but he cant help himself. Notice Critt hasnt said one word and has a lawyer speaking for him.

Meanwhile Agent Tweet has already admitted to placing the guns on the bench or whatever.

EG may have lied to the league if he had any part in the "protect the kids" story that initially went out.

Javale took Gil and Critt for $60k in card game on the plane back from Phoenix? That's the type of stuff that will be fully investigated with potentially every member of the team and staff having to testify, if there is a full trial.

threatening someone with a gun over a gambling debt may not be close to what actually transpired, but as long as there are sources confirming it- how can LE back off just because Agent Dumbass tells them a different story today?

And this pile of crap isnt just on Gil, it's on the whole organization

Posted by: divi3 | January 4, 2010 9:13 AM | Report abuse

We can judge Ernie on whether he inadvertently gave away the store in the process, but it's difficult to believe this was all his idea.

Posted by: Samson151 | January 4, 2010 8:20 AM | Report abuse

ERNIE will not be the first to go.

Posted by: glawrence007 | January 4, 2010 9:13 AM | Report abuse

EG and Leonsis probably have a great relationship, go to the same Temple or whatever, known each other for years through Abe.

If/when Leonsis buys the team, it would seem having a bball guy in place that he already has a relationship with would be a good thing as he steps fully into the nba world. EG knows everyone in the league that you need to know and then some. With a decent new plan on paper and the belief Abe had wanted the Big3 to remain, EG may very well look like a great pick to keep onboard.

Posted by: divi3 | January 4, 2010 9:18 AM | Report abuse

no NY no Javale McGee on saturday vs the spurs? i see flip is sticking to the winning formula

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | January 4, 2010 9:38 AM | Report abuse

Depending on how this all turns out, there's plenty of time to make a move. Meanwhile they can make broad general statements of disapproval regarding players packing heat in the locker room. When did that become sacred terrirory, by the way? I've spent plenty of time in locker rooms, and outside of the media, never regarded it as a place of sanctuary. It's just a big room full of stinky socks.

Posted by: Samson151 | January 4, 2010 12:07 AM | Report abuse


Because the lockerroom is part of the workplace.

I don't think any of us would reasonably think that the bosses at our jobs would approve of us walking into the office building with a couple of unloaded handguns and show them off in the break room - I mean, it's just a couple tables and a vending machine...

Posted by: p1funk | January 4, 2010 9:48 AM | Report abuse

and if Crit really "threw" a handgun across the locker room as reported, he's a candidate for the Special Olympics as well. That's the kind of imbecilic crap that could accidentally kill somebody (yes I know the gun wasn't loaded--but did he?).

They should both be suspended for at least 40 games, maybe an entire season, maybe worse. What a couple of idiots!

Posted by: Plix | January 3, 2010 5:44 PM | Report abuse

you should be in the special olympics for implying someone could get killed by throwing an unloaded gun to- not at- someone. i would seriously doubt anyone thought the guns were loaded given the cavalier handling of them. furthermore, critt had to have at least and inkling that they were unloaded or put on safety, since he threw the firearm. These guys were super reckless for havin guns in the facility. but lets not go overboard with the personal attacks and sensationalism. It's a big deal becasue of the law, but no one was hurt. it's not like he carried a loaded gun into an airport like barry switzer, or killed a woman in his home like robert blake (barreta), or defrauded thousands of people out of their retirement like enron.

The way the story sounds to me; as more details have leaked out, is that Gil owed critt some money. he brought three guns to the VC to give to critt to satisfy the debt. someone saw this and took it the wrong way and then the story grew legs. remember, this incident happened almost 2 weeks before it was reported the way it has been. that gives reporters a lot of time to doctor up a story.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | January 4, 2010 9:51 AM | Report abuse

"Who cares about waiting for the law enforcement investigation to be completed?? Can't the Wiz go ahead and regulate their own??"

They're probably being advised not to, by their own counsel. If a criminal charge is forthcoming, then they may want to try voiding the contract (good luck, but there's a lot of cash at stake, and they may take that chance.) If no charge appears, or if it's inconsequential, then the team will probably defer to the NBA for any disciplinary action, per union agreement. Think Michael Vick.

Posted by: Samson151 | January 4, 2010 12:07 AM | Report abuse

Whether what he did was illegal or not, it's just mind-boggling that the organization would let one if its own turn his athletic locker into a gun locker.

It does not have to be deemed "illegal" to at least be deemed a violation of company policy.

The Wiz could sit Arenas, plain and simple, until the investigation is complete. The Wiz wouldn't be sued so long as they keep cutting him checks.

This is not Mike Vick. Vick out-and-out lied to the Falcons organization about what was going on. Once law enforcement broke the case open and the truth was revealed, then the Falcons immediately took action in conjucntion with the NFL. It's not like Mike Vick showed up at the Falcons facility with his fighting dogs, showed them to security, and then proceeded to start games.

Right now, the Wizards posture in this whole situation basically says:

"If law enforcement and the league have a problem with this situation, we'll go along with them. But if they don't, then we don't".

So it's guns 'n b-ball at the Verzon Center, eh?...and who said these weren't the Bullets?

Posted by: p1funk | January 4, 2010 9:57 AM | Report abuse

"threatening someone with a gun over a gambling debt may not be close to what actually transpired, but as long as there are sources confirming it- how can LE back off just because Agent Dumbass tells them a different story today?"

There are these little things called "presumption of innocence' and "due process." Perhaps you've heard of them?

The only thing that's been "confirmed" is that Arenas brought the guns into the locker room and later turned them over to security. Every other part of the story has been reported in so many different ways that waiting until the investigation is over is the best way to know what really happened. And any punishment Arenas' faces has to be based on what actually happened, not which version of the story the people passing down the punishment decide to believe.

Posted by: kalo_rama | January 4, 2010 10:10 AM | Report abuse

And enough with all the "this wouldn't be tolerated where I work" analogies. If you don't know by know that the NBA isn't run like the real world, then you haven't been playing very close attention. In the real world, if you choked your boss during a staff meeting (a la Latrell Sprewell) or attacked a roomful of clients during a presentation (a la Ron Artest), not only would you be fired, you'd be doing prison time.

Posted by: kalo_rama | January 4, 2010 10:14 AM | Report abuse

ephus

Posted by: glawrence007 | January 4, 2010 10:23 AM | Report abuse

"I don't think any of us would reasonably think that the bosses at our jobs would approve of us walking into the office building with a couple of unloaded handguns and show them off in the break room - I mean, it's just a couple tables and a vending machine...Posted by: p1funk"

You mistake me. The point isn't that the incident occurred in the locker room -- it's no more sacrosanct than any other room in the facility (just as the break room at your workplace is no more 'company property' than the lobby). But at least one player referred to the locker room specifically as being a 'safe' place -- as if the rest of the facility isn't. And it makes you wonder if Arenas and Crittenton thought 'safe' meant they could do what they wanted without management supervision.

Posted by: Samson151 | January 4, 2010 11:09 AM | Report abuse

"This is not Mike Vick. Vick out-and-out lied to the Falcons organization about what was going on. Once law enforcement broke the case open and the truth was revealed, then the Falcons immediately took action in conjucntion with the NFL. It's not like Mike Vick showed up at the Falcons facility with his fighting dogs, showed them to security, and then proceeded to start games."

Once again, you mistake my meaning. The comparison between this incident and the Mike Vick case refers to the way management handled it. Rankin Smith didn't immediately release Vick, who was indicted in July and pled guilty in late August of 2007. Once he did, he was removed from the team roster, and released some time afterwards. Contract questions continued for months.

Smith's problem from the beginning was the need to wait for a completed criminal investigation resulting in the indictment. Until then, there wasn't much he could do without jeopardizing any future action (such as hopefully voiding that $130 mil contract he had signed.) I believe that ended up with a settlement, anyway.

The charges against Vick were actually more severe than the ones currently being discussed here. Now if the gun charges blow up, so to speak, into something larger and more serious, we could see a change there, too.

Posted by: Samson151 | January 4, 2010 11:29 AM | Report abuse

p1funk: ""If law enforcement and the league have a problem with this situation, we'll go along with them. But if they don't, then we don't"."

Not what they're saying at all. Because there's a binding contract and union agreement in palce, the team is probably being advised to wait until there's a determination by law enforcement as to whether any criminal charges are forthcoming. Then they'll consult with the NBA about disciplinary action. Rest assured that the Wiz are hoping to find grounds in the above to void that contract or at the very least rid themselves of a big chunk of their investment in Gilbert Arenas. Whether they'll be able to do so is another matter entirely.

They're speaking softly and preparing to wield a big stick.

Posted by: Samson151 | January 4, 2010 11:49 AM | Report abuse

Adrian Wojnarowski is seldom to believed, IMHO. I don't know why the guy covers the NBA because most of his stories have a negative slant against it. I have yet to read one completely positive story that he has written about the NBA.

Posted by: bazookajoe1 | January 4, 2010 12:52 PM | Report abuse

lilhollywood10: "you should be in the special olympics for implying someone could get killed by throwing an unloaded gun to- not at- someone. i would seriously doubt anyone thought the guns were loaded given the cavalier handling of them. furthermore, critt had to have at least and inkling that they were unloaded or put on safety, since he threw the firearm."

Right. I'm pretty sure in gun safety class, the first thing they teach you is that if you're pretty sure the gun might not be loaded, you should start tossing it around a tiled room, because there is absolutely NO CHANCE that a hard impact could cause the gun to accidentally discharge. Perfectly safe, acceptable gun handling right there.

Do I think an "enraged" (again, as reported) Critt took the time to check the chamber/safety before throwing the gun? I don't know. Do I think anybody was in actual danger of injury or death? No.

But I do think these morons have zero respect for firearms, and treat them like toys to wave around like ignorant children making a homemade gangsta rap video (over a gambling debt even--ooohhh...how Hollywood!). Think that's ludicrous? See: Plaxico Burress.

If Gil wants to be seen as a joker, he's doing a bangup job.

Posted by: Plix | January 4, 2010 1:09 PM | Report abuse

"Since the NBA can't run the players lives (telling them they can't own guns since it's a constitutional right) they did get put into the collective bargaining agreement that firearms were not allowed on NBA property. That is the line Gil crossed"

Would your employer condone you bringing a loaded/unloaded weapon and stashing it in your desk drawer under the ham sandwich? Even in trigger-happy Virginia? Didn't think so...

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