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The latest Wizards trade chatter

As he has all season, Antawn Jamison faced reporters on Friday to answer questions about the latest distraction the Washington Wizards have to contend with. Jamison joked that his New Year's resolution was to have fun, but he hasn't had much to smile about since 2010 began. You can tell from his body language and facial expressions that this season of seemingly endless off-court distractions is taking its toll on him.

"It's been going on too long, long enough," Jamison said. "We definitely sick of it -- too much negative publicity and I think guys are just to the point where we just want to get some positive publicity and turn things around and start winning some games, start having fun. We haven't had fun in while."

The Wizards weren't winning with Gilbert Arenas and now face the prospect of being without him for the remainder of the season after Stern handed down an indefinite suspension.

Jamison cannot seriously expect to win many games in Washington right now. He said it is difficult to just focus on basketball right now.

"I think it's an eye opener for the rest of our teammates to let them know that there¹s only one thing we should be concentrating on, and that's basketball," Jamison said. "It's just unfortuanate that we didn't take that philopsohy early on in the season, and for some people, it¹s going to affect your life. It's going to affect, not only the people's lives involved, but our lives as well. We don't have one of the best players in the league; that's affecting everybody. Changes might happen, that's affecting everybody."

For those wondering how the Arenas suspension affects the Wizards' plans, let's be clear -- they are probably just as aggressive, if not more, in attempts to make wholesale changes. From what I hear, the offers that they are receiving right now are not good enough to make them budge, since so many teams are attempting to raid them for nothing. But I spoke to one league source who said that the Wizards would be very active between now and the Feb. 18 trade deadline.

Jamison likely had a nice audition for the Cleveland Cavaliers on Wednesday, and there is no denying that the Cavaliers are interested in making something happen with the Wizards. The Wizards were reluctant to make a deal with Cleveland last season because of the bad blood between the teams in some intense playoff battles. But with Arenas now gone and changes expected, LeBron James announced that the rivalry was dead after the Cavaliers' 121-98 win. "I think it is over and done with," James said.

I talked with an Eastern Conference executive recently who explained to me why the Wizards should move Jamison immediately. The executive said that Jamison is still incredibly productive, but he turns 34 this summer and teams are probably going to be more reluctant to take the two years and nearly $28 million remaining on his contract after this season, with the salary cap expected to drop once again next season. So this really is the best opportunity to make something happen, but the Wizards have to make sure that they can get the best deal.

Teams also remain in hot pursuit of Caron Butler. Someone told me on Friday that the Wizards were talking with the Houston Rockets about using Butler as the key piece in a deal for Tracy McGrady's expiring contract, but the talks came to a halt after Arenas's "bang-bang" performance in Philadelphia.

I'm not sure what other pieces were included in the discussions to match up McGrady's $23-million salary, but I've been informed that it wasn't Mike James, since Houston has declined any deals involving him. A league source said any deal involving McGrady probably won't get done until closer to the trade deadline.

I also heard another rumor involving Butler and the Los Angeles Clippers, with the Wizards getting back Marcus Camby and his expiring contract. Since no player on the team is untouchable, I was informed that Brendan Haywood, Nick Young or anyone else could be had right now, but the Wizards don't want to take back salary. The team is not hesitating in its attempts to toss a grenade on the roster.

By Michael Lee  |  January 8, 2010; 2:22 PM ET
 
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If Ernie is the one making these trades the Wizards are in trouble for a long long time

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | January 8, 2010 2:29 PM | Report abuse

"LeBron James announced that rivalry was dead after the Cavaliers' 121-98 win. 'I think it is over and done with,' James said. "

Uh, LeBron....'nothing is over until we decide it is. Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Then it ain't over now.'

Posted by: ts35 | January 8, 2010 2:34 PM | Report abuse

But didn't everyone love EG when he came to the Wizards!!!

Posted by: fearturtle44 | January 8, 2010 2:34 PM | Report abuse

I just hope we can keep Antawn, Caron, and Haywood but I know that is probably not going to happen.

Man I can't believe things have come down to this. We're going to lose some really good guys here..

Posted by: kevenjones | January 8, 2010 2:37 PM | Report abuse

The Jamison to Cleveland deal has been rumored forever, but who are we supposed to get back?

Posted by: bryc3 | January 8, 2010 2:39 PM | Report abuse

I'm over Haywood.

Let's turn McGee loose and see what he can do.

Posted by: elfreako | January 8, 2010 2:40 PM | Report abuse

"The point is that Gilbert did not load his weapons and while he should not have brought him to his employment or been kidding around with unloaded weapons, to destroy a man's career and livelihood for this is silly. One must also realize that not long ago Shawn Taylor was murdered in his home and players do have a right to protect themselves. Gilbert should be punished for violating league rules, but should not be decapitated for his poor humor and actions.

Posted by: Pete23 | January 8, 2010 1:55 PM | Report abuse "

The point is that Gilby has done a good enough job himself destroying his own career.

And, I'm not even referring to his ill conceived attempts at trying to rehab his knee himself.

Rules are in place...violate them at your own option....and peril.

The funny thing is that I heard he took down his own Twitter account.....isn't that destroying evidence?

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | January 8, 2010 2:43 PM | Report abuse

Hinrich for Butler.

Posted by: JPRS | January 8, 2010 2:43 PM | Report abuse

"Because, due process is what helps keeps innocent folks from being wrongly punished, and protects the rights of everyone when they run afoul of the law.

Just because Gilbert has clearly broken the law it does not, IT DOSE NOT, give anyone the right to trod upon his due process rights.

For the last time I checked is is a common right in this country that we all try to protect for the common good of us all, including you DC_Man88.

To make a mockery of due process and mett out harsh punishment for tomfoolery is not something you want folks like David Stern doing willy nilly.

This is bigger than Gilbert. This is about the due process rights in Sports.

But, left to folks like you, he's guilty, no need to prosecute, just take his livlihood, lock him up and throw away the key.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | January 8, 2010 8:43 AM | Report abuse "

Stop yapping about due process.

The NBA is an exclusive club....not a publicly traded company or a government institution.

Follow the rules or risk being tossed.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | January 8, 2010 2:45 PM | Report abuse

"Just because it's in the CBA or league rules, it doesn't mean that it's dangerous.

Players can't wear t-shirts on the court anymore either, but they can get suspended for doing it.

A t-shirt in the right hands is just about as dangerous as an UNLOADED gun.

Posted by: JPRS | January 8, 2010 8:34 AM | Report abuse "

Who knows that a gun is unloaded?

Go point an unloaded gun at a police officer and see what happens.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | January 8, 2010 2:46 PM | Report abuse

I don't think Gilby should go to jail, yet.

He should go to Juvenile detention until he turns 16, and then be shipped off to jail.

Gilby is the classic example of someone who should not be breeding.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | January 8, 2010 2:48 PM | Report abuse

I admit I'm confused. I've never heard DCMAN say a single positive thing about anyone on the team. So now that they're all going to be gone, shouldn't you be thrilled? Why the sour grapes when we can return to the Brent Price and Ledell Eackles glory days?

Posted by: bryc3 | January 8, 2010 2:48 PM | Report abuse

"if the team was 2nd in the East and Gil was all the way back from injury, you can guarantee the organization and virtually all the fans would be supporting arenas.

Posted by: divi3 | January 8, 2010 11:59 AM | Report abuse "

That's the risk Gilby took.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | January 8, 2010 2:49 PM | Report abuse

"Jamison likely had a nice audition for the Cleveland Cavaliers on Wednesday, and there is no denying that the Cavaliers are interested in making something happen with the Wizards. The Wizards were reluctant to make a deal with Cleveland last season because of the bad blood between the teams in some intense playoff battles. But with Arenas now gone and changes expected, LeBron James announced that rivalry was dead after the Cavaliers' 121-98 win. "I think it is over and done with," James said."

As the Duke students would say:

"NOT OUR RIVAL."

Please....Miami, Boston, and Clevaland have made Les BouleS their biotches for the last what?.....5 seasons since Gilby's been here.

Passed along like a wh@re.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | January 8, 2010 2:52 PM | Report abuse

"LeBron James announced that rivalry was dead after the Cavaliers' 121-98 win. 'I think it is over and done with,' James said. "

Uh, LeBron....'nothing is over until we decide it is. Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Then it ain't over now.'

Posted by: ts35 | January 8, 2010 2:34 PM

As rasheed wallace would say oh my f*@ckin goodness. The germans didn't bomb pearl harbor the japanese did.

Jamison has been such a professional the past few years I would like to see him traded to any team thats going to win a championship before his career ends. He deserves it even if it is (sigh) cleveland cuz i know it won't be here

Posted by: jefferu | January 8, 2010 2:54 PM | Report abuse

"I admit I'm confused. I've never heard DCMAN say a single positive thing about anyone on the team. So now that they're all going to be gone, shouldn't you be thrilled? Why the sour grapes when we can return to the Brent Price and Ledell Eackles glory days?

Posted by: bryc3 | January 8, 2010 2:48 PM | Report abuse "

The captains (MeTawn and Caron) should turn in their badges as they've let this circus go on for far too long....now look at what it's manifested itself to be?

A gutter of a franchise.

What would Abe say?

This latest news would have destroyed him.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | January 8, 2010 2:54 PM | Report abuse

But didn't everyone love EG when he came to the Wizards!!!

Posted by: fearturtle44 | January 8, 2010 2:34 PM | Report abuse

fearturtle44

Some were, but if they were to look at Ernie's track record since he has been here and are really honest to themselves they would know Ernie sucks as a GM.

He got the Wizards to an 11-22 record this year with the team "HE" built.

Can't wait till Greivis Vasquez graduates and the Terps can get back to playing real basketball again.

Greivis Vasquez hurts the Terps 9on the court) like Gil hurt the Wizards.

You can't have a ball hog as a point guard.

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | January 8, 2010 2:55 PM | Report abuse

Mike Lee is finally taking a hint from me.

On last night's show with Ivan, he threw it out there that some could be questioning EG now...since he hired Flip, and it's not working.

BTW, EG also brought on all the players on the team...minus BTH.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | January 8, 2010 2:58 PM | Report abuse

Who knows that a gun is unloaded?

Go point an unloaded gun at a police officer and see what happens.

Posted by: DC_MAN88

///////////////////////////////

An UNLOADED gun is no more of a threat than a metal lunch box.

We're not talking about perceived dangers, or guns that were pointed at anyone, because those facts have no bearing on this case as far as Gil is concerned.

If you want to change the facts to fit your argument that's fine. It just means that you're describing a situation that has no application to the one that we're talking about.

Based on the publicly available information no one -- repeat NO ONE -- is asserting that the weapons were loaded. NO ONE is saying that Gil pointed the gun at anyone (let alone a police officer).

'F' for reasoning by analogy DCMAN88.

Posted by: JPRS | January 8, 2010 2:58 PM | Report abuse

Uh, LeBron....'nothing is over until we decide it is. Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Then it ain't over now.'


i get ur point but pretty sure the japs bombed pearl harbor...hahahaha

Posted by: jasonma1 | January 8, 2010 2:58 PM | Report abuse

Now that "Gilby" is over, what's DC_Man88 going to do with his time?

Posted by: pjkiger1 | January 8, 2010 2:59 PM | Report abuse

I just look forward to the nights in the future when DCMAN and bulletsfan78 are the only two people watching the new-look Wizards. You've both gotten what you wished for, and I hope you enjoy the next ten lottery years.

But look on the bright side- you guys are going to get an awful lot of air time on the Kiss Cam.

Posted by: bryc3 | January 8, 2010 2:59 PM | Report abuse

EG should trade himself

Posted by: prescrunk | January 8, 2010 2:59 PM | Report abuse

"An UNLOADED gun is no more of a threat than a metal lunch box.

We're not talking about perceived dangers, or guns that were pointed at anyone, because those facts have no bearing on this case as far as Gil is concerned.

If you want to change the facts to fit your argument that's fine. It just means that you're describing a situation that has no application to the one that we're talking about.

Based on the publicly available information no one -- repeat NO ONE -- is asserting that the weapons were loaded. NO ONE is saying that Gil pointed the gun at anyone (let alone a police officer).

'F' for reasoning by analogy DCMAN88.

Posted by: JPRS | January 8, 2010 2:58 PM | Report abuse "

Why don't you propose to change the law that unloaded guns should be legal in DC, NBA, VC, et all.

Let's see how much traction you get.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | January 8, 2010 3:01 PM | Report abuse

The Jamison to Cleveland deal has been rumored forever, but who are we supposed to get back?

Posted by: bryc3 | January 8, 2010 2:39 PM


Shaq or Ilguaskas... They're slowly figuring out that playing Varajuo more minutes is a better option than either of those two.

Posted by: saltine182 | January 8, 2010 3:03 PM | Report abuse

Interesting that a season that began well over the salary cap could come down to a fire sale for expiring contracts and a chance to play in the big free agent contest next year. But can we really lure a top-notch FA (LeBron, Wade, Bosh, not to mention Mike Miller) after this debacle? Hopefully we'll also deal for some draft picks.

But it's downright depressing to think about rebuilding when we have a solid core of players who should have been able to compete in the playoffs. It's got to make Flip think twice about the future here. And the rest of this season could feature the same empty arena here that we saw in Philadelphia this week.

Posted by: zinger1 | January 8, 2010 3:05 PM | Report abuse

i get ur point but pretty sure the japs bombed pearl harbor...hahahaha

Posted by: jasonma1 | January 8, 2010 2:58 PM | Report abuse

whooooooooooooooosh

Posted by: bryc3 | January 8, 2010 3:06 PM | Report abuse


"LeBron James announced that rivalry was dead after the Cavaliers' 121-98 win. 'I think it is over and done with,' James said. "

Uh, LeBron....'nothing is over until we decide it is. Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Then it ain't over now.'

Posted by: ts35 | January 8, 2010 2:34 PM

As rasheed wallace would say oh my f*@ckin goodness. The germans didn't bomb pearl harbor the japanese did.

Jamison has been such a professional the past few years I would like to see him traded to any team thats going to win a championship before his career ends. He deserves it even if it is (sigh) cleveland cuz i know it won't be here

Posted by: jefferu

Only in Washington is a joke not a joke. I'm not defending Gilly, I'm just saying that I caught the Pearl Harbor reference. I know I'm not the only one that did, and jefferu is not the only one that didn't.

Either way, that was a nice sentiment about Jamison. Criticize his game all you want, but there was no doubting his class and professionalism. I would expect no less of someone who carried Dean Smith's last team.

Posted by: mabkhar | January 8, 2010 3:07 PM | Report abuse

how long is it going to take before Leonsis has full control (or at least final decision making power)? i am very concerned that EG is leading this roster blow up. he is btw, the person who traded AD and a conditional 1st for mike james and javaris (locked and loaded) crittenton among other ill fated moves.

let me guess, we're gonna get either another soft jump shooting 6'9" unathletic PF or another very low IQ athletic SG.

Posted by: PindarPushkin | January 8, 2010 3:08 PM | Report abuse

Germans?

Forget it, he's rolling.

Posted by: mabkhar | January 8, 2010 3:10 PM | Report abuse

By the time Leonsis takes over, it'll probably be past the trade deadline.

Leonsis should just sit Gilby and let him rot....kind of like what NY did with Marbury.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | January 8, 2010 3:15 PM | Report abuse

Uh, LeBron....'nothing is over until we decide it is. Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Then it ain't over now.'


i get ur point but pretty sure the japs bombed pearl harbor...hahahaha

Posted by: jasonma1 |

Didn't anyone here see Animal House? I got your back ts35. Chuckleheads need to spend less useless time on the blog and more useless time watching movies...

Posted by: creativefunk | January 8, 2010 3:18 PM | Report abuse

i get ur point but pretty sure the japs bombed pearl harbor...hahahaha

Posted by: jasonma1 | January 8, 2010 2:58 PM | Report abuse

whooooooooooooooosh

Posted by: bryc3 | January 8, 2010 3:06 PM | Report abuse

I hear ya, bryc. Kids today have no appreciation of the classics.

Posted by: kalo_rama | January 8, 2010 3:18 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: farstriker | January 8, 2010 3:19 PM | Report abuse

Uh, LeBron....'nothing is over until we decide it is. Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Then it ain't over now.'


i get ur point but pretty sure the japs bombed pearl harbor...hahahaha

Posted by: jasonma1 | January 8, 2010 2:58 PM | Report abuse


u mean those kamikaze isn't german for suicied bomber????????

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | January 8, 2010 3:20 PM | Report abuse

I just look forward to the nights in the future when DCMAN and bulletsfan78 are the only two people watching the new-look Wizards. You've both gotten what you wished for, and I hope you enjoy the next ten lottery years.

But look on the bright side- you guys are going to get an awful lot of air time on the Kiss Cam.

Posted by: bryc3 | January 8, 2010 2:59 PM | Report abuse

bryc3,

I don't know about DCMAN, but this wasn't what I "Wished" for...it's what I could see coming from a mile away.

I tried to warn the season ticket holders but nobody wanted to listen to me?

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | January 8, 2010 3:21 PM | Report abuse

what NY (Knicks) did with Marbury - DC_MAN88

Uh, I didn't like how that particular movie ended...

You may argue that the Knicks are vastly improved and have a less embarassing product, but at the moment that means - contending for a big whopping 9th in a very weak Eastern Conference, and their biggest image problem is an undersized guard from the West Coast who shoots at the wrong basket. Why does that sound familiar?

Posted by: mabkhar | January 8, 2010 3:23 PM | Report abuse

ts35

I got the joke; you have to remember most of the people on here are clueless and have no sense of humor.

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | January 8, 2010 3:24 PM | Report abuse

Why don't you propose to change the law that unloaded guns should be legal in DC, NBA, VC, et all.

Let's see how much traction you get.

Posted by: DC_MAN88

/////////////////////////////////

Once again, "F" for critical thinking.

Look up the term "red herring" fallacy.

The league is within its rights to ban guns and impose punishments as it sees fit. The league is within its rights to impose sanctions for on-the-court activities that embarrass the league (e.g. everything from making inappropriate remarks to inappropriate actions on the court).

Gilbert broke the rules and he's getting punished accordingly.

None of these matters change the fact that Gilbert's actions did not put anyone in actual danger. He was stupid to bring the guns into his place of work against the rules, but his actions did not directly endanger anyone's safety. There may have been a perceived danger that merits punishment, but there was no ACTUAL danger.

Posted by: JPRS | January 8, 2010 3:24 PM | Report abuse

If my favorite player in the NBA (Antawn Jamison) gets traded to my most hated team in the NBA (Cleveland), I'm jumping off the Key Bridge. Enough said.

A part of me wants the Wizards to be able to get out of Gilbert's contract, but the other part feels loyal towards him. He brought me more joy in sports than any other figure in sports over the past 10 years.

Posted by: burnsrb | January 8, 2010 3:30 PM | Report abuse

I believe that Senator Jim Webb of Virginia brought his gun to the Senate. It may even have been loaded. He got into some trouble, but I believe he's still a Senator. Heck, he may even bring his gun to work every day.

Posted by: ZardsFan1 | January 8, 2010 3:35 PM | Report abuse

I second the motion that EG include himself in any trade.

I was excited when he was hired, and I think he made some good moves or in some cases no move at all (hughes, jefferies), but the Caron, Jamison, Arenas, Haywood experiment has run its course, and the architect of that experiment has got to go.

Posted by: ZardsFan1 | January 8, 2010 3:38 PM | Report abuse

Just a complete and utter disaster, from the players to management.

Posted by: john24 | January 8, 2010 3:43 PM | Report abuse

Uh, LeBron....'nothing is over until we decide it is. Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Then it ain't over now.'


i get ur point but pretty sure the japs bombed pearl harbor...hahahaha

Posted by: jasonma1 | January 8, 2010 2:58 PM | Report abuse
to these over reacting church boys guns are only dangerous in the hands of atheltes. regardless of whether the senate allows guns and the NBA doesn't, is Jim Webb's gun (it was loaded) less dangerous than Gil's unloaded weapon?

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | January 8, 2010 3:44 PM | Report abuse

sorry copied the wrong post.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | January 8, 2010 3:45 PM | Report abuse

Jamison for an expiring contract is fine if Ernie can turn the Wizards' expiring contracts into something. NY and Jersey are still trying to drop payroll, and are reported to be willing to include quality young players into any deals. Why not take Eddie Curry if you can get Wilson Chandler. The Wizards are going to suck next year anyway, and the Curry deal will be an asset in a year's time.

Posted by: djnnnou | January 8, 2010 3:46 PM | Report abuse

In all of these trade rumors I haven't heard one worthwhile player that we're supposed to get in return for our two all-stars Caron and AJ. Yes--EG has made some big mistakes, but he's not an idiot. He's not going to take garbage for these players just to do something before the trade deadline because everyone is panicked. Even given everything, I wouldn't be shocked if no trades are made, and EG waits for the summer. Tradng for picks don't help us, unless you plan to trade them for a player. Better to wait and suffer through a horrible year than to dig ourselves in a deeper hole. EG will not do that.

Posted by: jweber1 | January 8, 2010 3:46 PM | Report abuse

If Leonsis is behind this and he intends to follow the same formula as the Capitals rebuild then trade as much as you can. Jamison, Butler, Stevenson, and Haywood are worth more to the Wizards as Trade bait than as players. Meaning that there are no reasonable expectations that they can make the playoffs, add to that that they are 34, 29, 28, and 30 years old there is some question as to the serviceability in the future, think 4 years down the road when they start winning not 2. And if the rebuild is to be completed and more than a first round and out is to be accomplished in 4 years there could very well be no untouchables. Those who have been in the organization long enough to act presumptuously, most of us are not privy to the team interaction, need to go.
It is the nature of the beast, especially since the recent attempts to build this team centered around the three all-stars. But the experiment didn't work and now it does not have a chance to, so tear it down and rebuild.

Posted by: Hank4 | January 8, 2010 3:46 PM | Report abuse

"how long is it going to take before Leonsis has full control (or at least final decision making power)?"

I'm sure Ted is Well informed of what is going with the Wiz, and has had input. After all he was at the Cleveland game ther other night. He has said they have started the process but would not elaborate any more then that.

It's time and the Wiz are going nowhere. Best thing they can do it put Jamison on a team that has a chance to win a trophy. To hold the guy hostage is unfair. Even if Cleveland gives up a #1 you know it's going to be so far down in the order it may as well be a second round pick.

I want EG out as well, and no not everyone has been happy with him. He makes good trades, but his drafting and signing FA's not so much.

It's not even the All Star break and the season is over. At least last year you knew it was injuries.

This year is a much harder pill to swallow. I thought they would be much better. EG should just start dumping people, start over from scratch. Anyone else, sure wait and see but they should send Jamison somewhere ASAP. He's not getting any younger.

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | January 8, 2010 3:54 PM | Report abuse

Michael - PLEASE suspend DC_MAN indefinitely. He is clearly unfit to participate in a reasonable, human-like manner.

Posted by: IrenePollin | January 8, 2010 3:55 PM | Report abuse

keep mcgee and NY, everybody else might as well be sent packing given what the team's plans are.

Posted by: divi3 | January 8, 2010 3:55 PM | Report abuse

Excerpt:

Prosecutors today dismissed the gun charge filed last month against an aide to Sen. Jim Webb (D-Va.) who was caught bringing a loaded pistol into the Russell Senate Office Building.

Here's the link: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/04/27/AR2007042701759.html

OK ... this guy said he forgot he had the guns with him ... so his case gets dismissed. Too bad Gilbert kept running his mouth.

Gilberts guns were not loaded. His punishment should be no harsher than that of the VA Govenor's Aide.

Posted by: original2cents | January 8, 2010 3:58 PM | Report abuse

Leonsis dumped the team and then landed Ovechkin.

What are the chances that luck can happen again?

Maybe he realizes an OV type player comes to an owner only once in a lifetime...so he simply tells OV suit up in a Wiz jersey and see how he does.

Posted by: cballer | January 8, 2010 3:59 PM | Report abuse

Better to wait and suffer through a horrible year than to dig ourselves in a deeper hole. EG will not do that.

Posted by: jweber1 | January 8, 2010 3:46 PM

Better to wait and suffer through another horrible year than to dig ourselves in a deeper hole.

Posted by: djnnnou | January 8, 2010 4:03 PM | Report abuse

The NBA has put the Wizards in an untenable position. The Wizards's salary cap space is tied up indefinitely with Arenas's salary, yet the NBA has stated that they won't let Arenas play, possibly forever. How is this fair? The NBA has all the facts. Either announce the suspension, announce that Arenas won't count against the salary cap, or don't. Either way, the Wizards should be allowed to move forward. Either we can use our best player, or we can't use him and the NBA doesn't count him against our cap.

Posted by: Dellis2 | January 8, 2010 4:04 PM | Report abuse

I wonder what Flip is thinking about all of this?

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | January 8, 2010 4:05 PM | Report abuse

In all of these trade rumors I haven't heard one worthwhile player that we're supposed to get in return for our two all-stars Caron and AJ

which one of these guys IS and All-Star?OK i know the voting is still out, so which one of these guys was an all star last year?

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | January 8, 2010 4:08 PM | Report abuse

It still astounds me how bad the Miller/Foye trade / salary dump was. Basically the Wizards picked up two guys who will be gone next year and dumped the bad contracts of Thomas and Songalia and the small contract of Pecherov, and in exchange we give up Ricky Rubio, who would be the perfect PG to build the team around. What an atrocious deal. Who made this deal - EG or the team's accountants?

Posted by: Dellis2 | January 8, 2010 4:09 PM | Report abuse

I wonder what Flip is thinking about all of this?

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | January 8, 2010 4:05 PM | Report abuse

I'm sure he's just trying to figure out how to win some games. He's in a tough spot. How do you make up 22 points and 7 assists a game? Of course, we wouldn't need all those points if he could get everyone on the same page defensively. So many lapses, inside and out.

Flip has been relying heavily on his veteran players and pushing the younger guys farther down the bench. Maybe it's time to get some of the athleticism that McGee and McGuire bring onto the court for more than spot minutes.

Posted by: zinger1 | January 8, 2010 4:11 PM | Report abuse

Man, talk about the "Curse of the Bullets".
How much worse can it get?
What can go wrong next?
Suspend all the laffers in Gil's final picture?
It all looked so promising this summer.

I guess there really is a "CURSE".
We need someone to remove the curse. Let's get a Witch Doctor for our mascot.

Posted by: VBFan | January 8, 2010 4:12 PM | Report abuse

I wonder what Flip is thinking about all of this?

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | January 8, 2010 4:05 PM | Report abuse

I don't know what he is thinking about but I bet he wishes Abe was still alive so he would have some job security.

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | January 8, 2010 4:17 PM | Report abuse

"and in exchange we give up Ricky Rubio, who would be the perfect PG to build the team around."

nothing like a narrow-shouldered marginal athlete who cant shoot to build your team around.

Posted by: divi3 | January 8, 2010 4:17 PM | Report abuse

Hey! Tracy McGrady's going to be an all star this year and hasn't played in more than 10 games! He must be great! Please, take him!

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | January 8, 2010 4:18 PM | Report abuse

original2cents,

It's hard to see how the prosecutors can dismiss the case outright now -- especially given that Arenas knowingly broke the law and then seemed to make light of the issue after the fact.

Hopefully there's some kind of a plea agreement that amounts to community service and a deferred sentence. I don't really see what kind of public good is served by putting a guy in the prime of his earning career who poses no apparent threat to public safety behind bars for any extended period of time -- especially since the triggering event was a stupid prank that didn't result in any lasting physical harm to anyone; and which did not show any evidence of malicious intent.

There may be some other issues at play that simply aren't publicly known. So it's anyone's guess how the legal side plays out.

On it's face though, a temporary lapse of judgment isn't a crime in itself. But bringing unregistered handguns into DC is.

Arenas's first mistake was bringing the guns into the city and his place of employment against both the laws of the city and the clear league rules. Putting them out in the open was equally stupid. The public statements and antics were not very wise either. Owning up to the situation and cooperating fully with law enforcement is probably the smartest thing that he's done in this incident. If he'd lied under oath about the matter, it would have only complicated his situation.

Posted by: JPRS | January 8, 2010 4:21 PM | Report abuse

"Michael - PLEASE suspend DC_MAN indefinitely. He is clearly unfit to participate in a reasonable, human-like manner.

Posted by: IrenePollin | January 8, 2010 3:55 PM | Report abuse "

Shouldn't you be getting ready for Shabbat?

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | January 8, 2010 4:27 PM | Report abuse

I knew as soon as I started reading this post... many would not see the Animal House quote... That has been the only enjoyable part of this... I love the Wiz.. and they keep.. well let's just say doing something to their foot... (careful not to use offensive weapon related language. Don't want the Comish to suspend me.)

Posted by: ericmc1998 | January 8, 2010 4:29 PM | Report abuse

"Once again, "F" for critical thinking.

Look up the term "red herring" fallacy.

The league is within its rights to ban guns and impose punishments as it sees fit. The league is within its rights to impose sanctions for on-the-court activities that embarrass the league (e.g. everything from making inappropriate remarks to inappropriate actions on the court).

Gilbert broke the rules and he's getting punished accordingly.

None of these matters change the fact that Gilbert's actions did not put anyone in actual danger. He was stupid to bring the guns into his place of work against the rules, but his actions did not directly endanger anyone's safety. There may have been a perceived danger that merits punishment, but there was no ACTUAL danger.

Posted by: JPRS | January 8, 2010 3:24 PM | Report abuse "

Good attempt at trying to frame your weak argument.

The danger is Gilby continuing to hurt Gilby....because he doens't know any better.

I hope MeTawn got Gilby the muzzle he was talking about.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | January 8, 2010 4:30 PM | Report abuse

oh yea... another movie quote for ya! "Take what you can, give nothing back!" That should be the WIZ MGMT motto as far as trading goes this year.

Posted by: ericmc1998 | January 8, 2010 4:31 PM | Report abuse

"and in exchange we give up Ricky Rubio, who would be the perfect PG to build the team around."

nothing like a narrow-shouldered marginal athlete who cant shoot to build your team around.


Posted by: divi3 | January 8, 2010 4:17 PM | Report abuse


Almost as dumb as building around a one-dimensional 12-year old combo guard on crutches.

Posted by: p1funk | January 8, 2010 4:35 PM | Report abuse

This is not EG's fault. How many people figured this team would sink this year with the Big Three back? Every media outlet had them in the top half of the East. EG put together a talented roster, got the best available coach. Even got a valuable backup vet in Oberto. Season just hasn't worked out. It happens. Or rather, sometimes it doesn't.

I even thought Crittendon could turn into the one legit PG over 5'4'' we were lacking on the roster. My bad. Can't blame EG for that one.

Posted by: RIP-21 | January 8, 2010 4:39 PM | Report abuse

If Cleveland were willing to part with Verajao and Hickson plus another player to make the salaries match, I think the Wizards would trade Jamision. Even with Shaq, Cleveland has little to no scoring up front from anyone not named LeBron. With Jamison, they get another scorer who would fit in nicely since he plays mostly on the perimeter and would compliment their nucleus.

The Wizards need a player like Verajao at PF in the long-term and Hickson has as much upside as Blatche . I'd hate to see Jamison leave but it's time to rebuild and he's an asset coveted by a number of teams. Other potential spots could be Phoenix or San Antonio who are also looking for a final piece to make a run at the Lakers.

Posted by: wizfan89 | January 8, 2010 4:39 PM | Report abuse

"and in exchange we give up Ricky Rubio, who would be the perfect PG to build the team around."

nothing like a narrow-shouldered marginal athlete who cant shoot to build your team around.

and not to mention - underaged and NOT CURRENTLY PLAYING IN THE NBA

Posted by: mabkhar | January 8, 2010 4:40 PM | Report abuse

I hope MeTawn got Gilby the muzzle he was talking about.

Posted by: DC_MAN88

Nope! Daddy Stern got it for him instead!

Posted by: mabkhar | January 8, 2010 4:42 PM | Report abuse

I told all of you Ernie lovers that he wasn't krap,hasn't done a damn thing in this league and now i hear this idiot trade talk like Butler for Camby(LMAO!) Camby can't stay healthy, as Pushkin said in an earlier post they are looking for a way to get out of the stupid contracts Ernie co-signed w/Gil and Antawn what makes me mad as hell is Ernie now all of a sudden is a tough guy(banning gambling for the rest of the season) hell he should have never allowed it in the first place if the players want to gamble then let them go to a casino. He should have never hired Flip(i told ya) Avery Johnson should have been given the job he's no nonsense and they would have played defense or they would have been sitting next to Avery on the bench and card playing(i don't think so) and the Lil Gen. would have kicked some azz and i guarantee you we would be at .500 or above by now, we are headed for some real bull sh#t folks no Gil(currently being scapegoated and suspended) a clueless coach who isn't going to win jack and an idiot who is masquerading as a GM yeah this is going to be fun and by the way; Orlando by 20 tonite, BOOK IT!

Posted by: dargregmag | January 8, 2010 4:42 PM | Report abuse

"

If Cleveland were willing to part with Verajao and Hickson plus another player to make the salaries match, I think the Wizards would trade Jamision. Even with Shaq, Cleveland has little to no scoring up front from anyone not named LeBron. With Jamison, they get another scorer who would fit in nicely since he plays mostly on the perimeter and would compliment their nucleus.

The Wizards need a player like Verajao at PF in the long-term and Hickson has as much upside as Blatche . I'd hate to see Jamison leave but it's time to rebuild and he's an asset coveted by a number of teams. Other potential spots could be Phoenix or San Antonio who are also looking for a final piece to make a run at the Lakers.

Posted by: wizfan89 | January 8, 2010 4:39 PM | Report abuse "

Why in the world would Les BouleS want Varejao and Hickson?

The first dude is a rough and tumble guy who might get you some putbacks and boards.

The second guy is not particularly athletic and hasn't proven to be able to do anything.

Les BouleS already has a bunch of these type of guys on the roster, and in their history that they've traded away for more garbage.

We sure as heck do not need Anthony Parker, so lets hope he's not mentioned in any trades.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | January 8, 2010 4:45 PM | Report abuse

An UNLOADED gun is no more of a threat than a metal lunch box.

We're not talking about perceived dangers, or guns that were pointed at anyone, because those facts have no bearing on this case as far as Gil is concerned.

If you want to change the facts to fit your argument that's fine. It just means that you're describing a situation that has no application to the one that we're talking about.

Based on the publicly available information no one -- repeat NO ONE -- is asserting that the weapons were loaded. NO ONE is saying that Gil pointed the gun at anyone (let alone a police officer).

'F' for reasoning by analogy DCMAN88.

Posted by: JPRS

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JPRS-

Law states that ANY firearm which is pointed at a someone, loaded or unloaded, is considered Assault and is a felony.

It is considered Assault because of the fact the person having the gun pointed at them DOES NOT KNOW when a gun is loaded or not!

For that one reason alone, Gilbert is guilty and should be punished as would anyone else who was charged with the exact same crime.

Posted by: dglelite | January 8, 2010 4:46 PM | Report abuse

""if the team was 2nd in the East and Gil was all the way back from injury, you can guarantee the organization and virtually all the fans would be supporting arenas.
Posted by: divi3"

He's been pretty close to all the way back for the season -- not that anybody noticed. Right about at his career averages in minutes, points, shooting percentage, rebounds, and even just a little above in turnovers. And his assists are way up, which means he should probably have more turnovers than he does.

And he isn't thirty yet.

This is a guy that somebody will want as a player once the odor abates a little.

But the Wiz will have to get out of that contract.

Thing I've noticed is that around here you get such a steady stream of subjective criticism of his conduct, attitude, and morals (however deserved), plus he gets blamed for the team's won-loss record, that you forget what a remarkable job he's done coming back from a two year injury layoff.


Posted by: Samson151 | January 8, 2010 4:47 PM | Report abuse

VBFan

The curse is almost over. Abe is gone, but the Pollins are still in control. But soon this curse will be lifted...

Posted by: MeviousMan | January 8, 2010 4:49 PM | Report abuse

"This is a guy that somebody will want as a player once the odor abates a little."

any chance leonsis is that somebody?

Posted by: divi3 | January 8, 2010 4:51 PM | Report abuse

If washington is able to get TMc's expiring contract for CB,Ds,AB and MM to mach up the salary I would like to keep AJ until he retires.

Posted by: gtefferra | January 8, 2010 4:54 PM | Report abuse

SAMSON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | January 8, 2010 4:56 PM | Report abuse

If washington is able to get TMc's expiring contract for CB,Ds,AB and MM to mach up the salary I would like to keep AJ until he retires.

Posted by: gtefferra

POTD!

Posted by: divi3 | January 8, 2010 4:56 PM | Report abuse

Want to hear a true story about an unloaded gun? Here you go. When I was a kid I took music lessons from a local guy who was brilliant, and had a name on the local jazz and fusion scene in the 80s. Anyway, this guy was a junkie. One night he needed to cop so he took an unloaded gun and held up a 7-11. He got caught. Unfortunately for him, unloaded guns are viewed in exactly the same light by a judge as a loaded gun. Dude went in when I was 12 or 13 and got out when I was 25.

If you really think an unloaded gun isn't a threat, you're just wrong. Loaded or unloaded completely misses the point of why what Gilbert did is being justifiably punished.

Posted by: dcmusician2 | January 8, 2010 4:59 PM | Report abuse

okay so could someone explain the germans pearl harbor joke...not that i dont appreciate classics, but i'm young (25) and prolly just havent seen it...so please explain...thanks

Posted by: jasonma1 | January 8, 2010 4:59 PM | Report abuse

btw as far as the unloaded gun vs. loaded gun arguement...an unloaded gun is bad if as u said u used it to rob a store with...but u people need to stop insinuating that gilbert pointed this gun at anyone when none of the stories besides the original bs reported by vescey had anything about gilbert pointing his gun at anyone

Posted by: jasonma1 | January 8, 2010 5:01 PM | Report abuse

jasonma1:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V8lT1o0sDwI

And speaking of the classics, it wasn't armed robbery in Raising Arizona when the gun wasn't loaded. That ought to count for something.

Son, you've got a panty on your head.

Posted by: bryc3 | January 8, 2010 5:03 PM | Report abuse

"okay so could someone explain the germans pearl harbor joke...not that i dont appreciate classics, but i'm young (25) and prolly just havent seen it...so please explain...thanks

Posted by: jasonma1 | January 8, 2010 4:59 PM | Report abuse "

Pay attention, as someone has told you already....go watch the movie "Animal House."

That erroneous quote was used in the movie.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | January 8, 2010 5:06 PM | Report abuse

thanks for the clip...but i dont understand ur comment about the panty on my head? whateva

and dcman...i have a life unlike u besides reading every comment every day of my life and make it my life mission to talk about gilbert...pay attention man...no one listens to you...hahaha

Posted by: jasonma1 | January 8, 2010 5:21 PM | Report abuse

Hate to say, but I think Wiz lose by 23 tonight. Time for Ernie to go. Start up the articles on that Mr. Michael Lee.

Posted by: t-train | January 8, 2010 5:28 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: bryc3 | January 8, 2010 5:34 PM | Report abuse

Let's really clean up this mess. Taking this one step farther, this is what needs to happen.

1. The word Shoot has to be banned from basketball. Too much violence associated with the word, eventhough Gil never did shoot or shoot at anyone. Players can now, "push ball throw air with forward motion." They can either make or miss free throws, they just can't shoot them.

2. Shot must also be removed. Gil never did hit his free shots this year anyway, but did he or Javaris actually take a shot at the other?

3 and 4. Buckhantz must stop using the word Dagger. Aren't they used for bodily harm. On that note ... Backbreaker sounds a little too violent to me. Imagine, breaking someone's back. Ouch ... so it must go, too.

Any other ideas out there to help clean up this mess?

Posted by: original2cents | January 8, 2010 5:35 PM | Report abuse

thanks bryc

Posted by: jasonma1 | January 8, 2010 5:46 PM | Report abuse

Boozer anyone?

Posted by: lanka124 | January 8, 2010 5:46 PM | Report abuse

JPRS-

Law states that ANY firearm which is pointed at a someone, loaded or unloaded, is considered Assault and is a felony.

It is considered Assault because of the fact the person having the gun pointed at them DOES NOT KNOW when a gun is loaded or not!

For that one reason alone, Gilbert is guilty and should be punished as would anyone else who was charged with the exact same crime.

Posted by: dglelite

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Right, however, every single public account so far has stated that Arenas simply put the guns on a chair or in Crit's locker and stated "pick one".

There is absolutely no evidence at this stage that Arenas pointed a handgun -- loaded or unloaded -- at anyone.

Odds are he's looking at illegal possession, but there is no evidence that he is facing an assault charge.

This is one of the many reasons that DC_MAN88's analogies have no application to this situation.

Posted by: JPRS | January 8, 2010 5:57 PM | Report abuse

thanks for the clip...but i dont understand ur comment about the panty on my head? whateva

Posted by: jasonma1

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jasonma1,

the 'panty on your head' line is a reference from the movie he mentioned "Raising Arizona"....a classic by the Coen brothers starring Nick Cage and Holly Hunter. It's well worth watching. As is Animal House (Think "Old School", but to me Animal House is funnier and a little more out there).

But let's not derail this thread any more than it has been.

I think it's time the Wiz get what they can for whoever they can. If it's cap space, great. If it's picks, great. I've always backed EG against bashers because he was a significant improvement over anything they had had in a long time. But his time may have come as well. The good things he has done have started to turn, and I think all of the events of this season, from the losing, to Abe's death, to this thing with Arenas and Crit, just signal that it's time for a reboot of the franchise from top to bottom.

Since we're mid-season, I don't think they make dramatic changes in the coaching or front office, but I think it would behoove EG to start wiping the slate clean, whether it's for himself or someone else next year. There's no one on this team I would consider someone you absolutely have to keep. But I hope they at least get decent return for the guys who still have good value (CB, AJ, JaVale and NY to a certain extent).

Posted by: ts35 | January 8, 2010 6:02 PM | Report abuse

Foye, Miller, Butler, Jamison and Haywood.

I like that lineup.

Posted by: SDMDTSU | January 8, 2010 6:10 PM | Report abuse

McGuire is inactive. Get a clue Flip.

Why does he have such a man crush on DeBrick? McGuire should be getting all his burn.

Posted by: elfreako | January 8, 2010 6:24 PM | Report abuse

Boozer anyone?

Posted by: lanka124

I hear ya lanka... unfortunately the scuttlebut has him headed to south beach with DWade this summer.

I think he'd be a worthy max-level investment as well.

Posted by: elfreako | January 8, 2010 6:27 PM | Report abuse

I don't care who we trade or who we get in return.

JUST MAKE SOME MOVES AND GET SOME NEW BLOOD IN HERE! I'M SICK OF THE LOT OF THEM!!

Posted by: whatyoutalkinboutman | January 8, 2010 6:28 PM | Report abuse

"and dcman...i have a life unlike u besides reading every comment every day of my life and make it my life mission to talk about gilbert...pay attention man...no one listens to you...hahaha

Posted by: jasonma1 | January 8, 2010 5:21 PM | Report abuse "

How do you know I read every comment unless you are reading my posts.

Pay attention dunce.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | January 8, 2010 6:35 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | January 8, 2010 6:38 PM | Report abuse

OH WE CAN'T HAVE A PLAYER who makes light of guns by shooting his fingers & a few guys laugh... QUICK TRADE THE TEAM!!!

Butch Johnson of the Cowboys didn't use to do the "California Quake" & at the end shoot the football with his "hand guns"... or did he?

HMMM... Gilbert is the BEST PLAYER we have had since the 1970's & let's just send him away... woo hoo!!!

I'm sick of the POLINS... ARE the rest dead yet?

Not every athlete is a church boy... they are paid to put fans in the seats, just as actors & rock stars are... they are not everyday office workers... How many athlete have done egregious things & turned there lives around pretty quickly in the press... IF LATRELL SPREEWELL & RON ARTEST can do it, so can Gil...

You all wait, 2 years for now, he will be back in the good graces of the NBA & playing for a winner & it won't be our sorry team... because we care more about goody too shoes than WINNERS!

I can hear Buckhantz now.... DAGGER!! when Gil puts one through for the other team at Verizon...

Posted by: tony325 | January 8, 2010 6:40 PM | Report abuse

"This is a guy that somebody will want as a player once the odor abates a little. "

Yep. Assuming that he doesn't get multiple felony charges and big jail time (which, logically, I can't fathom, but logic seems to have flown the coop on this), as soon as he's eligible to play after he parts ways with the Wiz (however that happens) teams will be lining up to get him at his newly discounted price. If the rumored Lebron/DWade nuptials fall through, don't be surprised to see Arenas as Lebron's wing man next season.

Posted by: kalo_rama | January 8, 2010 6:47 PM | Report abuse

"Boozer anyone?"

I'll take a gin'n'tonic

Posted by: kalo_rama | January 8, 2010 6:48 PM | Report abuse

"I'm sick of the POLINS... ARE the rest dead yet?

Posted by: tony325 | January 8, 2010 6:40 PM | Report abuse "

WTF?

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | January 8, 2010 6:52 PM | Report abuse

That's right...trade him like you traded Webber, Wallace and other players we've had and them have them come back and haunt us for the rest of their career. He made a mistake!!! Everyone deserves a second chance, especially after spending ALL that cash on him. Maybe, just maybe he'll come back a different person after his suspension. Don't judge too soon, and throw the baby out with the bath water. That's just Old School stuff!!!

Posted by: gonfishin03 | January 8, 2010 7:02 PM | Report abuse

That's right...trade him like you traded Webber, Wallace and other players we've had and them have them come back and haunt us for the rest of their career. He made a mistake!!! Everyone deserves a second chance, especially after spending ALL that cash on him. Maybe, just maybe he'll come back a different person after his suspension. Don't judge too soon, and throw the baby out with the bath water. That's just Old School stuff!!!

Posted by: gonfishin03 | January 8, 2010 7:02 PM | Report abuse


Is a suspension gonna teach GA to play defense??

Gilbert never should have been re-signed and it was a wise to move to look to trade him before the whole gun-incident blew up.

Posted by: p1funk | January 8, 2010 7:54 PM | Report abuse

Bet the wizards wish they had kept the fifth pick now.

Posted by: moshemaizels | January 8, 2010 8:39 PM | Report abuse

WOW they did pretty good in the win over Orlando

Posted by: rnorris6 | January 8, 2010 10:22 PM | Report abuse

I don't blame Ernie for this fiasco. It's hard to build a team around an undersized shooting guard. Ernie went out and got a 6-5 point guard to complement Arenas, and look what happens.

I don't think the Wizards need to blow up the team. Just release Mike James, and bring in a true pg, and settle down.

Posted by: PostSubscriber | January 8, 2010 11:23 PM | Report abuse

"If Ernie is the one making these trades the Wizards are in trouble for a long long time."

lol...yeah, he has only made some of the best trades in the history of the organization. Get out of your pessimistic drool.

Posted by: rphilli721 | January 8, 2010 11:29 PM | Report abuse

Nice Wizards win tonight. They managed the 24 second push-the-ball-through-the air clock much better than usual. Ate up some time.

Posted by: ragtop4spd | January 9, 2010 12:17 AM | Report abuse

before reading, if i ever do, the preceding 111 comments, there is a sweet irony to the last, so far, game gil played as a wizard. W

Posted by: zengomi | January 9, 2010 3:49 AM | Report abuse

after whipping orlando in the dreaded 4th quarter, management should grasp that this squad can produce.

Posted by: zengomi | January 9, 2010 7:07 AM | Report abuse

Oh I forgot King James said the rivalry is over and "YES MASTER we shall now surrender your greatness" come on who are we kidding what can possibly Cleveland offer us to match Jamison NOTHING .. don't be a fool Ernie .. don't fall in their trap .. next year they are some young players coming out but there is no Lebron, Bosh, Wade, Durant or anyone close. John Wall is compared to Derrick Rose but let's face it what has Rose done so remarakable except some flashes.

Posted by: svafai2000 | January 9, 2010 11:47 AM | Report abuse

I beleive Wizards shouldn't make any foolish move .. Gilbert can play ball no question about it he just got to grow up .. trading him or getting rid of him is a big mistake .. He can play with the best of them .. Look at his numbers .. he is very hard working yet goofy so what .. people make mistake .. look at what Webber, Wallace, Hamilton and Ben did to us .. this team needs a shake up but not Gilbert or Antwan .. they bring it every night .. numbers don't lie

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