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Tired Wizards look for bench help

Fatigue will be a major concern for the Washington Wizards in their game tonight against the Sacremento Kings. The Wizards will be playing their fourth game in five nights in three cities and are coming off Saturday night's loss at Chicago, 121-119, in double overtime.

"Hopefully we can go to our bench early, and they can give us something," Coach Flip Saunders said during his pregame talk with the media.

Saunders didn't get much from his reserves against the Bulls. The Wizards got just 14 points from their bench players, and starters Caron Butler and Antawn Jamison combined to play more than 110 minutes. Earl Boykins was the highest scoring reserve with eight points in 10-plus minutes. Nick Young played 11 and a half minutes and scored five points.

"As I told our guys about a week ago, there's not an entitlement to play just because you're on the team," Saunders said. "At some point, the bench players, they have to understand, you've got to go out, you've got to perform, and play hard and do the things you're supposed to do in order to play. If you don't, then your time is going to be limited."

Here are the Wizards' probable starters against the Kings:

PG Randy Foye
SG DeShawn Stevenson
SM Caron Butler
PF Antawn Jamison
C Brendan Haywood

By Gene Wang  |  January 16, 2010; 5:57 PM ET
 
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OKAY NO MORE EDDIE JORDAN REFERENCES I PROMISE!!

Posted by: dargregmag | January 16, 2010 6:48 PM | Report abuse

"Hopefully we can go to our bench early, and they can give us something," Coach Flip Saunders said during his pregame talk with the media.

Uh you can put subs in early on any given night Coach - regardless of the score. Popovich does it, so does Phil Jackson.

Stop wearing out veterans when the season is going down the toilet.

Posted by: elfreako | January 16, 2010 6:58 PM | Report abuse

Kevin Martin and Tyreke Evans can be a very, very good backcourt in a year or two.

Wow.

Posted by: SteveMG | January 16, 2010 7:36 PM | Report abuse

mcgee with 4 blocks/3rebs in 8mins so far, good thing Flip's played AB at C all this time.

javale looks like he was in better shape last season than he is now, we need to get some better trainers

Posted by: divi3 | January 16, 2010 8:06 PM | Report abuse

"Depends on how badly the Wizards want to put this whole mess behind them."

Who are the Wizards? The Pollins and EG, or the next owner and his GM?

Moving Arenas the wrong way will cripple the franchise another 3-4yrs.

A last parting gift to the fanbase from the Pollins!

Posted by: divi3 | January 16, 2010 8:14 PM | Report abuse

Moving Arenas the wrong way will cripple the franchise another 3-4yrs.

A last parting gift to the fanbase from the Pollins!

Posted by: divi3

----

You're actually blaming the Pollins for having devalued the franchise at the time that they're trying to sell it?

I'd be forced to conclude that honor would have to go to someone else.

Posted by: nmik | January 16, 2010 8:24 PM | Report abuse

"You're actually blaming the Pollins for having devalued the franchise at the time that they're trying to sell it?"

No, I'm saying 2 wrongs dont make a right. Gil's idiocy caused all this and he is 110% to blame.

However, we are where we are, and doing something stupid just for the sake of getting rid of him (remember CWebb?) doesnt serve the greater interests of the franchise in any way.

Posted by: divi3 | January 16, 2010 8:38 PM | Report abuse

when there's a break from the gilbert mess can we get an update on what is going on regarding ownership and the potential leonsis succession? for many of us the hoped for impending arrival of leonsis is the only thing we have to look forward to.

Posted by: PindarPushkin | January 16, 2010 9:30 PM | Report abuse

However, we are where we are, and doing something stupid just for the sake of getting rid of him (remember CWebb?) doesnt serve the greater interests of the franchise in any way.

Posted by: divi3 | January 16, 2010 8:38 PM |

Divi3, you would be so correct. The way the Wizards rushed to erase Gilbert from their franchise after Stern suspended him is shameless.

The Wizards would be wise to start acting wise and so far they haven't.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | January 16, 2010 9:34 PM | Report abuse

Shameful I meant.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | January 16, 2010 9:35 PM | Report abuse

From what came out in court, the Wiz did try to protect Arenas from himself before word leaked out. He committed a stupid, immature, and illegal act which may end his career. The Wiz were looking to trade Arenas for Tracy McGrady's expiring contract as they wanted to rid themselves of his contract when they saw he wasn't a fit in Flip's offense. Now he may have done the Wiz front office a favor since they can try to void his contract.

Conducting a fire sale to trade Jamison, Butler, and Haywood would be ill advised at this moment. Teams smell blood in the water and aren't going to trade anything of value for these players. A late 1st round draft pick and an unproven young player isn't going to help the Wiz rebuild. The key at this point is for the Wiz to continue to play hard and win some games during this homestand.

The team has obviously been affected by all of the distractions but the Flip has gotten the team to play hard. Unfortunately, they've lost about a dozen close games. With Foye playing the point, the Wiz actually seem to have a better flow on offense and Butler finally looks comfortable.

Posted by: wizfan89 | January 16, 2010 9:53 PM | Report abuse

@nmik,

Devalueing the franchise, Yes, the organization is complicit thereto.

If the Wizards wanted the biggest bang for the franchise, they would have been better off hunkering down with Gilbert, yes, admitting that he screwed up and let the franchise down and should be punished, but at the same time putting a positive front on a bad situation.

Gilbert Arenas is, believe it or not their most valued asset and to make careless rush to judgement decisions does devalue the franchise.

Gilbert is responsible no doubt, but the Wizards are not doing themselves justice in the way they are handling this mess.

It may shake out that Gilbert Arenas has acted most sensibly in this whole affair, and that also includes the actions of the League.

Now isn't that something?

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | January 16, 2010 9:53 PM | Report abuse

But you how the pollin family feels about guns. So dont blame the organization on how fast they reacted. Abe just died and his wife is going through somethings so you know that she miss him an alot right now and she is gonna react as if pollin was here. Probablly quicker than abe would react if he was here because the way she feels right now, and she is emotional. Gil is going to flourish some where other than DC. If he stays he will not flourish just like CWebb.
What might happen and dont be surpise if the Wiz come together and make the playoffs. I do think they got the talent but I would rather them lose, just to have a shot at John Wall.

Posted by: dsquare | January 16, 2010 10:07 PM | Report abuse

I'll prove the NBA is fixed.... Wizards after all this drama will end up with pick #1... Heard it here first... Just like knicks got Ewing & Cleveland got Lebron... FIXED!

Posted by: tony325 | January 16, 2010 10:13 PM | Report abuse

If Arenas told management that he brought the guns to the Verizon Center to get rid of them to protect his kids - instead of the true story that has come out - they should be livid.

Who turned their back on who here?

Posted by: SteveMG | January 16, 2010 10:19 PM | Report abuse

I feel sad and sorry for the Wizards franchise, EG, and especially the Pollin family for Gilby letting them all down.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | January 16, 2010 10:26 PM | Report abuse

F Peyton Manning & the refs...

Posted by: tony325 | January 16, 2010 10:27 PM | Report abuse

"I'll prove the NBA is fixed.... Wizards after all this drama will end up with pick #1... Heard it here first... Just like knicks got Ewing & Cleveland got Lebron... FIXED!

Posted by: tony325 | January 16, 2010 10:13 PM | Report abuse "

So if this doesn't happen, how many fingers are you willing to give up?

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | January 16, 2010 10:28 PM | Report abuse

"@nmik,

Devalueing the franchise, Yes, the organization is complicit thereto.

If the Wizards wanted the biggest bang for the franchise, they would have been better off hunkering down with Gilbert, yes, admitting that he screwed up and let the franchise down and should be punished, but at the same time putting a positive front on a bad situation.

Gilbert Arenas is, believe it or not their most valued asset and to make careless rush to judgement decisions does devalue the franchise.

Gilbert is responsible no doubt, but the Wizards are not doing themselves justice in the way they are handling this mess.

It may shake out that Gilbert Arenas has acted most sensibly in this whole affair, and that also includes the actions of the League.

Now isn't that something?

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | January 16, 2010 9:53 PM | Report abuse "

You seriously need to STFU b/c your logic is beyond stupid.

I've never come across anyone on this blog as ludicrous as you are.

Gilby just pleaded guilty to a felony.....but in your head it's "It may shake out that Gilbert Arenas has acted most sensibly in this whole affair..."

You embarrass yourself every time you post a comment.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | January 16, 2010 10:31 PM | Report abuse

"If Arenas told management that he brought the guns to the Verizon Center to get rid of them to protect his kids - instead of the true story that has come out - they should be livid.

Who turned their back on who here?"

Management knew the same day what had happened, but at this point it really doesnt matter right?

all that matters is the organization makes the correct business decisions based on the current situation.

personally, i'm fine with keeping Arenas or moving him if the deal is right.

What I'm not cool with is some a$$-brained transaction that cripples the team for 3-4yrs just to get Arenas out of town because EG/Pollin cant stand the look of the guy.

Posted by: divi3 | January 16, 2010 10:34 PM | Report abuse

"The Wizards would be wise to start acting wise and so far they haven't.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | January 16, 2010 9:34 PM | Report abuse "

And Les BouleS would have absolutely no respect or credibility in the league, in DC, with the team, or fans if they stepped "wisely" based on your warped recommendations.

Gilby is done here, and that's based on his own actions.

The Wizards franchise latest statement couldn't have put it more clearly.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | January 16, 2010 10:34 PM | Report abuse

If Arenas told management that he brought the guns to the Verizon Center to get rid of them to protect his kids - instead of the true story that has come out - they should be livid.

Who turned their back on who here?

Posted by: SteveMG | January 16, 2010 10:19 PM |

I don't think it is important that Gilbert might have told management a fib. Though it appears that management went along with a story they already knew to be false.

What is important is how management has responded when the shat hit the fan and the true story came out.

I am not advocating that the Wizards should not be tough with Gilbert or easy, but it does seem to appear that they are not handling this skunk juice the best they can.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | January 16, 2010 10:35 PM | Report abuse

"What I'm not cool with is some a$$-brained transaction that cripples the team for 3-4yrs just to get Arenas out of town because EG/Pollin cant stand the look of the guy.

Posted by: divi3 | January 16, 2010 10:34 PM | Report abuse "

And how would that change the franchise, which has been crippled these past few seasons b/c of Gilby's injury and his current situation?

Also, please enlighten everyone with an example of how the franchise could be crippled by a transaction to get Gilby out of here.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | January 16, 2010 10:37 PM | Report abuse

"I am not advocating that the Wizards should not be tough with Gilbert or easy, but it does seem to appear that they are not handling this skunk juice the best they can.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | January 16, 2010 10:35 PM | Report abuse "

Gilby's actions forced their hand....and given that, I think the franchise has done a marvelous job, albeit a bit conservative, based on what they've done so far.

The franchise had shown a lot of restraint until Gilby started acting a fool in Philly.

Don't forget, when Abe died, he told Gilby that he wanted to give him max money because he wanted Gilby to be a good representative of the franchise to the world.

Based on Gilby's latest actions, he not only spit in Abe's grave, he shat in it too.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | January 16, 2010 10:41 PM | Report abuse

"Also, please enlighten everyone with an example of how the franchise could be crippled by a transaction to get Gilby out of here.

Posted by: DC_MAN88"

Nobody is going to pick up Gil's deal. So how can we move him? By agreeing to pay a significant portion of his salary for the team that we trade him to. That type of godawful deal can only be justified if we got real talent in return, but why would we with everyone knowing we're desperate to rid the franchise of him?

Paying Arenas to play somewhere else why we field a team of dregs for CAP reasons is absolutely unacceptable.

Posted by: divi3 | January 16, 2010 10:45 PM | Report abuse

DC MAN... you act like Gil killed someone... like he pulled a RAY CARUTH or something... What Gilbert did is a Felony in one state & no crime in another, I think your just a SH!T Disturber & come up with all these righteous remarks like you have never done nothing wrong in your life.

The Pollins this, the Pollins that... damn are you related to them??

The bottom line is, the Wizards never stick by their players & I'm tired of reading all this nonsense by people around the country that say Gil was a THUG or Gil is a typical you know & the man has way more good deeds in his life than bad.

Ray Lewis watched 2 men die & never did a day... I understand he didn't kill anyone & since that moment has been a good citizen... but the Ravens could of easily separated from Ray... same with Jamal Lewis... but they showed what family is about, they showed support for their player. The Wizards were just looking, begging, hoping for a reason to get rid of Gil & that contract... NOW WHAT??

Posted by: tony325 | January 16, 2010 10:46 PM | Report abuse

"The Wizards would be wise to start acting wise and so far they haven't.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | January 16, 2010 9:34 PM | Report abuse "

And Les BouleS would have absolutely no respect or credibility in the league, in DC, with the team, or fans if they stepped "wisely" based on your warped recommendations.

Gilby is done here, and that's based on his own actions.

The Wizards franchise latest statement couldn't have put it more clearly.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | January 16, 2010 10:34 PM

Based on my recommendations. What are you referring too? My recommendations is that they act wisely, that's it.

And as them having no credibility, they are the ones loosing cred' currently based upon their own actions.

Look at the sit' DC_Man88, Gilbert is owning up, The Wiz's are acting like he is a lepor and their only interest is to void his contract.

And they may be justified in voiding, but their actions so far are not noble, there are indications they still want to fine there players and get rid of all of them.

For what and whom, for Flip and Ernie, Why?

Come on Man, Talk to me. I listening.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | January 16, 2010 10:53 PM | Report abuse

maybe Kalorama is right

Aaaaaannngh!!!! Wrong!!!! Thank you for playing.

Posted by: glawrence007 | January 16, 2010 10:56 PM | Report abuse

Some of you must be gluttons for punishment to want to start all over(blow it up)after last years train wreck,if we had a smart/shrewd GM(and we don't)getting this team back on track could be done. Ernie Grunfeld should have never signed Earl Boykins while a disgruntled Nate Ronbinson rode the bench in NY he's been in D'Antoni's dog house since preseason, listen i like Li'l man(Boykins) but Nate is taller,stonger,better shooter, and one of the best athlete's in the NBA Grunfeld should have been aware of Nate's status and tried to swing a trade for him (Critt for Nate)hell i'd throw in James if i could get Nate but when he got Boykins i was like damn. Good win tonite hopefully we can put together a mini-streak.

Posted by: dargregmag | January 16, 2010 10:57 PM | Report abuse

"Nobody is going to pick up Gil's deal. So how can we move him? By agreeing to pay a significant portion of his salary for the team that we trade him to. That type of godawful deal can only be justified if we got real talent in return, but why would we with everyone knowing we're desperate to rid the franchise of him?

Paying Arenas to play somewhere else why we field a team of dregs for CAP reasons is absolutely unacceptable.

Posted by: divi3 | January 16, 2010 10:45 PM | Report abuse "

Why waste time talking about paying another team money to take him away when everyone knows the team will try everything to void his contract?

If and when that path is determined to be not possible, then you can waste time talking about giving money away.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | January 16, 2010 10:58 PM | Report abuse

'Why waste time talking about paying another team money to take him away when everyone knows the team will try everything to void his contract?'

Everything I've read is that his deal probably cant be voided.

Posted by: divi3 | January 16, 2010 11:00 PM | Report abuse

"DC MAN... you act like Gil killed someone... like he pulled a RAY CARUTH or something... What Gilbert did is a Felony in one state & no crime in another, I think your just a SH!T Disturber & come up with all these righteous remarks like you have never done nothing wrong in your life.

The Pollins this, the Pollins that... damn are you related to them??

The bottom line is, the Wizards never stick by their players & I'm tired of reading all this nonsense by people around the country that say Gil was a THUG or Gil is a typical you know & the man has way more good deeds in his life than bad.

Ray Lewis watched 2 men die & never did a day... I understand he didn't kill anyone & since that moment has been a good citizen... but the Ravens could of easily separated from Ray... same with Jamal Lewis... but they showed what family is about, they showed support for their player. The Wizards were just looking, begging, hoping for a reason to get rid of Gil & that contract... NOW WHAT??

Posted by: tony325 | January 16, 2010 10:46 PM | Report abuse "

Please, you're sounding like Gilby's mother who's protecting her only child.

Yea, Gilby's actions aren't as bad as 9-11 either, but it's still a felony.

Gilby admitted to committing a felony....after being talked down from 4 felony counts.

The franchise is a private company. They can do whatever they want.

Playing in the NBA is privilege, not a right.

If you give Gilby enough rope, he'll hang himself.

Gilby is lucky Stern suspended him and prevented him from doing himself further harm.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | January 16, 2010 11:03 PM | Report abuse

Gilby is done here, and that's based on his own actions.

The Wizards franchise latest statement couldn't have put it more clearly.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | January 16, 2010 10:34 PM

Ray Lewis watched 2 men die & never did a day... I understand he didn't kill anyone & since that moment has been a good citizen... but the Ravens could of easily separated from Ray... same with Jamal Lewis... but they showed what family is about, they showed support for their player. The Wizards were just looking, begging, hoping for a reason to get rid of Gil & that contract... NOW WHAT??

Posted by: tony325 | January 16, 2010 10:46 PM | Report abuse

A definite dicotomy of opinion. 80 million won't just evaporate in thin air, not without a fight, that is. If the conviction is reduced to misdemeanor status, GA will not go away anytime soon. If it's a felony, there better be hard time, if the WIZ expect to void that contract. If I were a dishonest judge, I would say there's money to be made either way. Here's hoping the judge is honest and renders a fair and balanced opinion.

Posted by: glawrence007 | January 16, 2010 11:03 PM | Report abuse

"Based on my recommendations. What are you referring too? My recommendations is that they act wisely, that's it.

And as them having no credibility, they are the ones loosing cred' currently based upon their own actions.

Look at the sit' DC_Man88, Gilbert is owning up, The Wiz's are acting like he is a lepor and their only interest is to void his contract.

And they may be justified in voiding, but their actions so far are not noble, there are indications they still want to fine there players and get rid of all of them.

For what and whom, for Flip and Ernie, Why?

Come on Man, Talk to me. I listening.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | January 16, 2010 10:53 PM | Report abuse "

Your recommendation is stupid because you're saying they didn't act wisely.

It's wise to get rid of someone who disgraced your owner and your franchise.

The Pollins apparently don't give a crap about the financial or PR ramifications when they made their decision....and guess what, I don't see many people saying they'll stop buying tickets b/c the Pollins decided to take some banners down and some jerseys off the shelf.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | January 16, 2010 11:05 PM | Report abuse

Why waste time talking about paying another team money to take him away when everyone knows the team will try everything to void his contract?

If and when that path is determined to be not possible, then you can waste time talking about giving money away.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | January 16, 2010 10:58 PM |

Come on Man, everybody knows you know that the prevailing opinion is there isn't a rats ass chance of the contract being voided, so come on, step it up.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | January 16, 2010 11:06 PM | Report abuse

Wow, DeShawn resurrected. Good to see him doing well. Nice win for the home team. The players are really trying to pull the fat out of the fire before everything goes up in smoke. I'm guessing an ultimatum was given. If you want to stay better do your best. So far on that basis, it's good to see players wanting to be in D.C. 'Course I'm just guessing.

Posted by: glawrence007 | January 16, 2010 11:07 PM | Report abuse

"Everything I've read is that his deal probably cant be voided.

Posted by: divi3 | January 16, 2010 11:00 PM | Report abuse "

And everything you read is as useful as a used rubber as the judge has 2 more months to render his verdict.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | January 16, 2010 11:07 PM | Report abuse

Good win. Second night of a back-to-back after having gone into double OT. The bench stepped up.

Good to see the team get the job done tonight.

Posted by: JPRS | January 16, 2010 11:08 PM | Report abuse

Does anyone else feel that ownership and management have equal responsibility with players here for this mess?

Posted by: glawrence007 | January 16, 2010 11:10 PM | Report abuse

Oh, and congrats to Flip on finally getting a much needed and much deserved win number 600.

Posted by: JPRS | January 16, 2010 11:10 PM | Report abuse

"Come on Man, everybody knows you know that the prevailing opinion is there isn't a rats ass chance of the contract being voided, so come on, step it up.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | January 16, 2010 11:06 PM | Report abuse "

Again, you are one stupid dude.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | January 16, 2010 11:10 PM | Report abuse

Great win tonight. The first of many this season.

Posted by: glawrence007 | January 16, 2010 11:14 PM | Report abuse

Oh, I forgot. The season's already started. I've been so absorbed by the whole McGEE, CRITTENTON, ARENAS thing, I forgot - win #13. Way to go.

Posted by: glawrence007 | January 16, 2010 11:16 PM | Report abuse

OKAY NO MORE EDDIE JORDAN REFERENCES I PROMISE!!

Posted by: dargregmag | January 16, 2010 6:48 PM | Report abuse

dargregmag,
Supercool. That said, I do think much differently retrospectively on his tenure here. Based on all of the new information that has come out I do now agree with you and Kal that he was not supported by EG. Clearly the kids were running the class and the Principle did not have the teachers back. He did the best he could and moved the franchise well beyond where they had been for the prior 20 years. Just wanted to state that since I was not terribly generous when he departed.

Now back to real time....

Very encouraged by the effort this team is putting forth of late. Actually quite floored they came to play tonight; they had every valid excuse imaginable to mail it in tonight but did not. I can honestly support these guys if they just bring the effort, irregardless of wins/losses.

Posted by: The_Shadow_Knows | January 16, 2010 11:27 PM | Report abuse

DC_Man88,

NBA/CBA already adresses what being convicted of a felony entails. A ten game suspension. Again, say it with me, A ten game suspension.

And this felony that Gilbert is pleading too does not come close to some of the conduct in the League that have received far less punishment than Gilbert has already received or will receive by his continued suspension.

You cannot hate Gilbert that bad that it blinds all your good judgement of the sit'.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | January 16, 2010 11:27 PM | Report abuse

"DC_Man88,

NBA/CBA already adresses what being convicted of a felony entails. A ten game suspension. Again, say it with me, A ten game suspension.

And this felony that Gilbert is pleading too does not come close to some of the conduct in the League that have received far less punishment than Gilbert has already received or will receive by his continued suspension.

You cannot hate Gilbert that bad that it blinds all your good judgement of the sit'.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | January 16, 2010 11:27 PM | Report abuse "

Whatever....I'm done with your stupidity.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | January 16, 2010 11:46 PM | Report abuse

Again, you are one stupid dude.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | January 16, 2010 11:10 PM

Cut the crap. You know it dosen't bother me.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | January 16, 2010 11:47 PM | Report abuse

Ernie,

Why don't you replace Flip with ETaps since he did such a great job last year?

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | January 16, 2010 11:53 PM | Report abuse

"Cut the crap. You know it dosen't bother me.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | January 16, 2010 11:47 PM | Report abuse "

Yeah, debating with you is like debating with Helen Keller, which is why it doesn't bother you.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | January 16, 2010 11:54 PM | Report abuse

Nice game tonight. Looked like a home win against a weaker club --- when's the last time we saw that in Washington?

Posted by: Samson151 | January 16, 2010 11:57 PM | Report abuse

Was Helen Keller known to be a bad debater?

Posted by: twomangame | January 17, 2010 12:00 AM | Report abuse

LOL... I see alot has not changed since I just got in from work... haha

______________________

Gilby is lucky Stern suspended him and prevented him from doing himself further harm.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | January 16, 2010 11:03 PM | Report abuse
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For once I can agree... I hate David Stern, but understand that he is an atty himself... that's what he meant when he said that Gilbert was not "fit", Gil was just killin himself... BUT, I still feel like this is the only way Gil knew how to deal with the stress of the situation...

btw... rumors are swirling around the Knicks if he gets out of the contract... Arenas in D'antoni system... that would be sick... They will say, go ahead & shoot as much as you want.

Posted by: tony325 | January 17, 2010 12:01 AM | Report abuse

"For once I can agree... I hate David Stern, but understand that he is an atty himself... that's what he meant when he said that Gilbert was not "fit", Gil was just killin himself... BUT, I still feel like this is the only way Gil knew how to deal with the stress of the situation...

btw... rumors are swirling around the Knicks if he gets out of the contract... Arenas in D'antoni system... that would be sick... They will say, go ahead & shoot as much as you want.

Posted by: tony325 | January 17, 2010 12:01 AM | Report abuse "

Gilby said he was going to do a John Wayne impression with NY the following game after Philly.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | January 17, 2010 12:02 AM | Report abuse

Was Helen Keller known to be a bad debater?

Probably not. As I understand it, she was very literate.

Just checked: IQ of 160.

Bad example.

Posted by: SteveMG | January 17, 2010 12:04 AM | Report abuse

"Was Helen Keller known to be a bad debater?

Posted by: twomangame | January 17, 2010 12:00 AM | Report abuse "

No, just blind and deaf.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | January 17, 2010 12:06 AM | Report abuse

Bulletsfan78, where you been, a few times I started to make a comment refering to your repeted comments about this franchise.

But I chose not to and it is a credit to you that you have not come out with the I told you so's.

I remember way back when I blogged that I understood about your comments about Mr. Pollin and that most really misunderstood what you were really saying.

But, however, I knew you were a true fan and really understood what keeping it real really means.

Big ups to you and tell DC_Man88 to stop being so disgruntled.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | January 17, 2010 12:08 AM | Report abuse

The Charlotte Bobcats are 19 and 19. I wonder if Abe had not have fired Michael would Brown be with the Wizards instead of the Bobcats.

What about that DC_Man88?

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | January 17, 2010 12:17 AM | Report abuse

"I don't see many people saying they'll stop buying tickets b/c the Pollins decided to take some banners down and some jerseys off the shelf."

That's because most of them have already stopped buying tickets because the team bites.

Posted by: kalo_rama | January 17, 2010 12:42 AM | Report abuse

"Nice game tonight. Looked like a home win against a weaker club --- when's the last time we saw that in Washington? "

Sacramento actually has a better record than the Wizards.

Posted by: kalo_rama | January 17, 2010 12:44 AM | Report abuse

"I don't see many people saying they'll stop buying tickets b/c the Pollins decided to take some banners down and some jerseys off the shelf."

That's because most of them have already stopped buying tickets because the team bites.

Posted by: kalo_rama | January 17, 2010

HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM is that why there was almost 18,000 people at the game LMFAO

Posted by: rnorris6 | January 17, 2010 1:08 AM | Report abuse

I watched the game did not look like allot of empty seats LOL

Posted by: rnorris6 | January 17, 2010 1:09 AM | Report abuse

I don't see many people saying they'll stop buying tickets b/c the Pollins decided to take some banners down and some jerseys off the shelf."

That's because most of them have already stopped buying tickets because the team bites.

Posted by: kalo_rama | January 17, 2010 12:42 AM | Report abuse
__________________________________

I would pay double for a Caps ticket before I would ever consider buying a Wizard ticket at face value.

3 years ago that wouldn't have been the case... If you've read Wise today... I was at that game against Utah, when Gil not only went for 51 & pts 49,50, & 51 was a Gil OT daggar & the building was sold out & everyone went nuts... Probably still my favorite Wizards moment I ever witnessed.. I felt the same thing... We finally got a superstar in our town. You haven't seen the last of Gil & when he comes here... that probably will be the next game I do go see.

Posted by: tony325 | January 17, 2010 1:22 AM | Report abuse

Bulletsfan78, where you been, a few times I started to make a comment refering to your repeted comments about this franchise.

But I chose not to and it is a credit to you that you have not come out with the I told you so's.

I remember way back when I blogged that I understood about your comments about Mr. Pollin and that most really misunderstood what you were really saying.

But, however, I knew you were a true fan and really understood what keeping it real really means.

Big ups to you and tell DC_Man88 to stop being so disgruntled.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | January 17, 2010 12:08 AM | Report abuse

Larry,

I've been in St. Barts for the last 10 days without my laptop so no Wizards Insider.

Even if I was vain like Kal and told everyone I am right they wouldn't care.

The people on here want to believe what they want and the truth really doesn't matter.

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | January 17, 2010 5:36 AM | Report abuse

"Nice game tonight. Looked like a home win against a weaker club --- when's the last time we saw that in Washington? "Sacramento actually has a better record than the Wizards.Posted by: kalo_rama"

My point: you wouldn't have known that by last night's performance. They looked like a flawed club struggling for a win --- the way the Wiz have looked so often this year and last.

Couldn't help noticing how Zach Randolph -- yes, that Zach Randolph -- took it to San Antonio and Tim Duncan. Here's the ultimate selfish player and somehow he seems to have gotten his act together for Memphis. Of course everyone is wondering how long that will last (Zach's had streaks of team play before).

Posted by: Samson151 | January 17, 2010 9:14 AM | Report abuse

If your best player (Antawn Jamison) is a terrible or disinterested defensive player, you're never going to win anything. You don't think the rest of the team gets deflated every time someone blows past AJ and he doesn't even bother to shift his feet? He scores, he occasionally rebounds (he has too many games where he grabs 3 or 4), and he's a decent dude. He is not, however, a complete player.


Posted by: bryc3 | January 16, 2010 9:29 AM | Report abuse

One more poster to simply skip over because they have proven they have no idea what they are talking about:

First...haywood sais last night he likes the role of interior enforcer, so thinking that he gets deflated is pure erroneous conjecture.

More importantly the BS about 3-4 rbound games. In the past 3 seasons plus his 30 games this season, Jamison has had 4 or fewer rebounds a total of 28 times out of 260 games played he has more 14+ games than 4- games over that span.

This even includes games where he sat significant potions because of injuries or fouls and almost half of those 28 games were in the 2006-2007 season.

Thank you bryc for making it so easy to discount everything you say.

Posted by: Blurred | January 17, 2010 9:15 AM | Report abuse

Yeah, debating with you is like debating with Helen Keller, which is why it doesn't bother you.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | January 16, 2010 11:54 PM | Report abuse

Bring it Mr. MANN.

Posted by: glawrence007 | January 17, 2010 9:27 AM | Report abuse

The people on here want to believe what they want and the truth really doesn't matter.

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | January 17, 2010 5:36 AM | Report abuse

Ain't THAT the truth.

Posted by: glawrence007 | January 17, 2010 9:29 AM | Report abuse

The Charlotte Bobcats are 19 and 19. I wonder if Abe had not have fired Michael would Brown be with the Wizards instead of the Bobcats.


LarryInClintonMD.


Larry,

A great coach can make an average team look good.

Too bad an average coach like Flip (Ernie's choice) makes an average team look bad.

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | January 17, 2010 9:32 AM | Report abuse

"Big ups to you and tell DC_Man88 to stop being so disgruntled.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | January 17, 2010 12:08 AM | Report abuse "

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/01/16/AR2010011602833.html?hpid=sec-metro

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | January 17, 2010 9:43 AM | Report abuse

It's more than likely that Gil's gone for this year and that this franchise want's him gone for good, i see team management doing anything and everything to distance themselves from this fiasco at the expense of the fan base and common sense that is getting equal value for Gil,i'm hoping Ted Leonsis takes over soon and bring's some semblance of calm and order back to this franchise, again i would strongly consider keeping Gil(they may not have a choice) and bringing in Avery Johnson and finding a new GM.

Posted by: dargregmag | January 17, 2010 9:54 AM | Report abuse

wise's article hits the nail on the head.

WE FINALLY GOTS ONE

to go from a guy who legitimately was pushing himself into the DWade, Kobe stratosphere and to end up here instead...what a dagger!

if the franchise does something stupid just for the sake of moving Arenas, and then expects that the fanbase is supposed to think it had to be done, and that patience must be shown while they do a half-a$$ rebuild predicated on not spending any money for a few years....they have another thing coming with at least on season ticket holder, 'cause I wont be reupping.

What they need to understand is that the majority of the fanbase is fine with having Arenas back next season on a roster that looks completely different.

But none of the fanbase is ok with a retarded Wes-type transaction that cuts off our nose to spite our face.

Posted by: divi3 | January 17, 2010 10:50 AM | Report abuse

and i will say it again just in case Mike Lee can send EG a text:

trade Brendan for Oden/Pendergraph/Cunningham

Posted by: divi3 | January 17, 2010 10:52 AM | Report abuse

"I've been in St. Barts for the last 10 days without my laptop so no Wizards Insider."

did you have a cheeseburger in paradise?

Posted by: divi3 | January 17, 2010 10:56 AM | Report abuse

divi3:

Why the blue-veiner for BRENDAN?

Posted by: glawrence007 | January 17, 2010 11:00 AM | Report abuse

glawerence,

horrid choice of words there....

there is NO CHANCE haywood is here next season, so why watch him walk instead of trying to get some value?

it's a tough trade as he'd have to agree to a long term deal with the blazers before they'd agree to the deal....but the money works, and we'd get 2 young PFs with potential

Posted by: divi3 | January 17, 2010 11:07 AM | Report abuse

"My point: you wouldn't have known that by last night's performance. They looked like a flawed club struggling for a win --- the way the Wiz have looked so often this year and last."

My point: The Kings are a flawed club struggling for wins, but they're a better, more talented, more balanced flawed club that the Wizards are right now. The Kings are a young club still developing and growing together. The Wizards are a mostly vet team whose core has been together for years. The Wizards are supposed to be much better than a team like the Kings but, for the most part this season, they haven't been. Last night's win was nice, but it doesn't really alter the big picture for this team.

Posted by: kalo_rama | January 17, 2010 11:23 AM | Report abuse

"Too bad an average coach like Flip (Ernie's choice) makes an average team look bad."

This team would have to be twice as good as it is right now to even sniff the underside of average.

Posted by: kalo_rama | January 17, 2010 11:25 AM | Report abuse

"The Charlotte Bobcats are 19 and 19. I wonder if Abe had not have fired Michael would Brown be with the Wizards instead of the Bobcats."

Even if Brown had joined the Wizards (and there was never much chance of that), that was 6+ years ago; Brown's history of wandering says he'd be long gone by now.

Posted by: kalo_rama | January 17, 2010 11:29 AM | Report abuse

Hope wiz resign Foye. His game is similar to Billup's game. Billups took a few seasons to get as good as he is. He's not a quick player but developed into a dead eye shooter and nice pick and roll player. He also is a good positional defender. Randy needs to continue to work on his shot and the pick and roll. He's a solid ball handler. The wiz turnovers are down since he has taken over the point. He's not a superstar but I do believe he can be a 22 and 8 guy that can hit big shots in the future.

Posted by: ptp23 | January 17, 2010 11:35 AM | Report abuse

i'm guessing NY and Mcgee will be starters next season, everything else is up in the air.

Foye seems like a player worth keeping, though I swear sometimes he looks 5'9"

Posted by: divi3 | January 17, 2010 11:55 AM | Report abuse

"The Wizards are supposed to be much better than a team like the Kings but, for the most part this season, they haven't been."

Well, that's what I was saying. Last night's game looked like the way things were supposed to turn out this year, and haven't. Washington was supposed to roll over young and inexperienced clubs like Sacramento. Instead, the veteran Wiz have looked like a bunch of rooks and second-year players struggling to find a team concept.

Against Chicago and Sacramento they looked better. I'm not naive enough to think that means anything in terms of the future. Only hopeful that we'll get to watch a few decent basketball games during the remainder of this season.

Posted by: Samson151 | January 17, 2010 11:55 AM | Report abuse

IF we could only get Miller back, I still think we have an opportunity to make a push for th elast play-off spot with miller. Of course who knows how much of the team will be here within the next month.

Posted by: ptp23 | January 17, 2010 11:57 AM | Report abuse

"The wiz turnovers are down since he has taken over the point."posted by ptp23

Certainly seems that way. Someone pointed out earlier that the pre-Arenas-injury Wizards were notable for playing a fast-paced game of basketball with relatively few turnovers -- maybe this was a factor in their success that the team somehow lost during the intervening two seasons.

It's only two decent games. But that's better than none.

Posted by: Samson151 | January 17, 2010 11:59 AM | Report abuse

Difference in the game last night was Boykins, DSteve, and NY went 15-24...not something we're going to see very often

Posted by: divi3 | January 17, 2010 11:59 AM | Report abuse

"IF we could only get Miller back, I still think we have an opportunity to make a push for th elast play-off spot with miller."

Who's the reliable off-the-bench scorer? That's not Mike's forte.

Posted by: Samson151 | January 17, 2010 12:01 PM | Report abuse

"Difference in the game last night was Boykins, DSteve, and NY went 15-24..."Posted by: divi3

You notice that Boykins' shooting % this season is his best in a decade?

Posted by: Samson151 | January 17, 2010 12:17 PM | Report abuse

'You notice that Boykins' shooting % this season is his best in a decade? '

impressive...trouble is it's consisted of .800 nights mixed with .000s

Posted by: divi3 | January 17, 2010 12:22 PM | Report abuse

Magic GM Otis Smith told the Sentinel that he has spoken twice with suspended Washington Wizards PG Gilbert Arenas, who pleaded guilty to a felony gun charge.

Smith and Arenas go back to their days at Golden State in the early 2000s. Smith worked in the Warriors' front office as executive director of basketball operations and Arenas was the club's second-round pick.

Smith has been a mentor ever since the two moved on to other teams.

"First thing I told him was to end his Twitter account. Gil has to stop talking to everyone about everything," Smith said. "I told him to only talk to people he trusts and stop listening to people who aren't going to help him

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/sports/os-orlando-magic-notes-0117-20100116,0,6201718.story

Posted by: rnorris6 | January 17, 2010 12:48 PM | Report abuse

"there is NO CHANCE haywood is here next season, so why watch him walk instead of trying to get some value?

it's a tough trade as he'd have to agree to a long term deal with the blazers before they'd agree to the deal....but the money works, and we'd get 2 young PFs with potential

Posted by: divi3 | January 17, 2010 11:07 AM | Report abuse "

Well, I know EG is kind of distracted these days....but to prevent this, EG needs to have discussions right now about a contract extension, although I heard that BTH wants to hit the market.

Can't say I blame him.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | January 17, 2010 1:01 PM | Report abuse

"wise's article hits the nail on the head.

WE FINALLY GOTS ONE

to go from a guy who legitimately was pushing himself into the DWade, Kobe stratosphere and to end up here instead...what a dagger!

if the franchise does something stupid just for the sake of moving Arenas, and then expects that the fanbase is supposed to think it had to be done, and that patience must be shown while they do a half-a$$ rebuild predicated on not spending any money for a few years....they have another thing coming with at least on season ticket holder, 'cause I wont be reupping.

What they need to understand is that the majority of the fanbase is fine with having Arenas back next season on a roster that looks completely different.

But none of the fanbase is ok with a retarded Wes-type transaction that cuts off our nose to spite our face.

Posted by: divi3 | January 17, 2010 10:50 AM | Report abuse "

Wise's article today was pretty much useless.

He didn't say anything that he hasn't said the past 2 or 3 special articles that he's written to praise Gilby.

Gilby is not in the league of DWade or LeBron no matter how many people fantasize that he is.

Gilby, with Les BouleS, was on the wrong end of 15-16 game losing streaks against their teams.

BTW, the franchise did do something stupid....they gave Gilby a max money contract.

I went on record as soon as Gilby had his Love coming out party that this dude is a notorious self promotor, is bad for business, and won't win squat.

Now all you nonbelievers are left to pick up the pieces.

Hate to say it, but "I told you so."

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | January 17, 2010 1:04 PM | Report abuse

Magic GM Otis Smith told the Sentinel that he has spoken twice with suspended Washington Wizards PG Gilbert Arenas, who pleaded guilty to a felony gun charge.

Hmm, could that be viewed as tampering?

If there's a possiblity - however small - of Arenas becoming a free agent or let go, Smith's conversations look pretty dicey.

Look pretty dicey. Smith may have the best of intentions here.

Posted by: SteveMG | January 17, 2010 1:05 PM | Report abuse

What they need to understand is that the majority of the fanbase is fine with having Arenas back next season on a roster that looks completely different.

But none of the fanbase is ok with a retarded Wes-type transaction that cuts off our nose to spite our face.

Posted by: divi3

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I have no idea whether you're right or wrong in your conjecture, but I'd love for you to post any statistics that show that your opinion is more than just your opinion.

Posted by: nmik | January 17, 2010 1:39 PM | Report abuse

SteveMG: Tampering? I think Gil has very few friends right now percieved or real and in light of the gossip of his fiance and Shaq(true or not)he probably feeling pretty lonely right now and a caring voice from the past is more than soothing, money solves a lot of problems but not when it comes to your mental health and stability Smith might have ulterior motives but i doubt that, at the end of the day Arenas just needs an ear.

Posted by: dargregmag | January 17, 2010 1:48 PM | Report abuse

"Well, I know EG is kind of distracted these days....but to prevent this, EG needs to have discussions right now about a contract extension"

Why on earth would we want to pay BTH the type of $$ he's going to see as a FA? He's not good enough to warrant attempting to re-sign him nor does he even want to play here most likely. Him leaving is mutually agreeable.

"Gilby is not in the league of DWade or LeBron no matter how many people fantasize that he is."

Can you read? He was talking about when Arenas was 23 and everyone in the entire league thought of him as an emerging force who was knocking on the door of league's highest echelon status.

Posted by: divi3 | January 17, 2010 3:21 PM | Report abuse

"I have no idea whether you're right or wrong in your conjecture, but I'd love for you to post any statistics that show that your opinion is more than just your opinion."

So you think there is a portion of the fanbase that will be happy if the franchise cripples itself just for the sake of moving Arenas? What kind of fans want the team to make bad decisions?

Posted by: divi3 | January 17, 2010 3:23 PM | Report abuse

"I went on record as soon as Gilby had his Love coming out party that this dude is a notorious self promotor, is bad for business, and won't win squat."

were you jealous or something? many nba players do stuff like that, it doesnt really have any bearing on whether they play D or not

Posted by: divi3 | January 17, 2010 3:26 PM | Report abuse

Gilbert was not quite in the league of Wade or Lebron, but might have pushed himself to higher heights if things had not have happened, as Wise intimated in his column today.

Wise also pointed out that Gilbert has tried to do alot of good around DC and other places, and that he is hardly the embodiment of evil.

If the judge looks fully looks at his past and good he is doing now, it could help moderate his punishment.

Another thing Wise mentioned is also probably true if things continue as they are going: that Gilbert will not play for the Wizards again.

If Gilbert ever does push himeself to higher heights, it will likely be for another team where it may be on display in some future game(s) against the Wizards.

Posted by: cannontl | January 17, 2010 3:40 PM | Report abuse

BTW, I believe Gene Wang had it wrong in the Post this morning on the game last night. The Wiz did not sweep the season series against the Kings. As I recall, the Kings won the game in Sacramento.

Posted by: cannontl | January 17, 2010 4:13 PM | Report abuse

So you think there is a portion of the fanbase that will be happy if the franchise cripples itself just for the sake of moving Arenas? What kind of fans want the team to make bad decisions?

Posted by: divi3 | January 17, 2010 3:23 PM | Report abuse

The same ones who deplore the crippling mistakes that have already been made by this franchise, I guess divi3.

Posted by: glawrence007 | January 17, 2010 4:14 PM | Report abuse

"IF we could only get Miller back, I still think we have an opportunity to make a push for th elast play-off spot with miller."

And what would be the point of that? If the Wizards were a young, developing team building for the future, then an argument could be made that the psychic effect of winning and experiencing the playoffs could be more valuable than a moving up a couple of slots in the draft. But given what the Wizards actually are and the fact that most of the veteran players that make up the core of the team won't be here next season, there's really no substantive gain to be had from getting blown out in the first round, again. Been there, done that.

Posted by: kalo_rama | January 17, 2010 4:16 PM | Report abuse

"BOYS undressed and punked before a national television audiance. There is justice in this world. Ha,ha,ha,ha,ha. Wait 'till nexT year COWBOYS fans.

Posted by: glawrence007 | January 17, 2010 4:16 PM | Report abuse

Any chance we win tomorrow against Blazers?

I have to admit. I've like haywood's play the last week or so. I hope he finally, at age 30 has decided to play like a thick 7'er for real. Unfortunately, his past performance has made me wary of his long term effort.

Funny thing...as I was watching a 36 yo 6'9" Ben Wallace take the ball from brendan I couldn't help noticing that Haywood's arms looked like linguine comparatively. Always thought he played weak, but I like his effort level last night. Since he is not super mobile anyway, maybe he should bulk up this offseason.

Posted by: Blurred | January 17, 2010 4:21 PM | Report abuse

Funny thing...as I was watching a 36 yo 6'9" Ben Wallace take the ball from brendan I couldn't help noticing that Haywood's arms looked like linguine comparatively. Always thought he played weak, but I like his effort level last night. Since he is not super mobile anyway, maybe he should bulk up this offseason.

Posted by: Blurred | January 17, 2010 4:21 PM | Report abuse

Just wanted to say I was sorry to see SANDERS down to one good leg. Hope it's not serious. The young man's got game.

Posted by: glawrence007 | January 17, 2010 4:27 PM | Report abuse

"Wise also pointed out that Gilbert has tried to do alot of good around DC and other places, and that he is hardly the embodiment of evil.If the judge looks fully looks at his past and good he is doing now, it could help moderate his punishment."

In that respect, Gil's biggest problem may be the fact that he's famous. Some judges like to put famous defendants in jail. They think it makes them look tough but fair.

From Mike Wise's account, Gil seems to be showing the contriteness that was missing from his earlier conduct. Judges love contrite defendants. He'll still do time, but perhaps not as much.

By using the investigator's report, the judge can postpone sentencing until later in March, when hopefully public outrage has cooled, lowering the stakes for somebody who has to sentence him.

Gil will get plenty of sympathy from players around the league. Many of them regard themselves as potential victims of unfair prosecutions. They condemned Sprewell for choking his coach but of course secretly wanted to do something similar themselves at one time or another. Lots of them have been in card games that turned hostile over a welched bet.

The other owners think Pollin was probably dotty when he gave Arenas that contract and are secretly rooting for the Wiz owners to set a valuable precedent by breaking it. The players' association is equally determined that shouldn't occur. Right now, the odds are in the players favor. As long as Gil doesn't do anything to change that balance, that is.

As far as Arenas playing again: teams are going to be interested, but at a much lesser dollar amount. He's a goofball, but he doesn't have the sort of thug cred that a Sprewell had. Put it this way -- there are worse guys playing in the league right now.

We'll all get to see it play out.

Posted by: Samson151 | January 17, 2010 4:27 PM | Report abuse

My father in law always wants the DC teams to lose to get a better draft slot. I think is weak. You play to win every night if you are a pro. Dreaming of the lottery is the loser path. The lottery is for losers. Play hard, play like a pro.

I'd like to see this team make the playoffs, but I doubt they do so. #1 picks are an iffy proposition, but they are better than #18.

Who is the guaranteed game changing superstar in this draft? John Wall? After 15 games you can tell that he will dominate in the NBA? I think this draft is 5x better than last year's. I'd love to see playoffs, but probably a top 10 pick is in our cards. Lots of good help in that range this year. That's why you trade for everyone else's picks...so you can succeed and still draft well.

Posted by: Blurred | January 17, 2010 4:27 PM | Report abuse

"So you think there is a portion of the fanbase that will be happy if the franchise cripples itself just for the sake of moving Arenas? What kind of fans want the team to make bad decisions?"

Trading Arenas, even if they get below value (and they will) isn't necessarily a bad decision).

The franchise, in its current form, is crippled with or without Arenas. The gun nonsense aside, it's become pretty clear that Arenas, as good as he can be, is most likely not the centerpiece player on a title team. But as long as he (and his contract) are here, acquiring a player that is that good will be difficult. And it should be obvious by now that keeping this team together sure as hell ain't the answer.

Moreover, it's very unlikely that he wants to remain with this franchise, given how quickly they cast him out ion the wake of the investigation. Who cares what he wants, you say? Well, the Wiz management will. Having the highest-profile, highest-paid player on a team be an active and vocal malcontent can be the kiss of death for a franchise (see Marbury, Stephon). Moving him along, even in an "everything must go" sale would simply be the biggest step in starting the rebuilding process that this team absolutely has to undergo now.

And from a purely practical standpoint, if the Wizards can get back one good young-ish player and a a decent draft pick or two, it's a palatable deal, even if they have to swallow a couple of bad contracts. Because at least those bad contracts will be smaller and broken up between more than one player, making them easier to move along in separate deals.

You can't just look at the immediate results of the Arenas trade and say it's a bad deal. It would only be step one in a long process. The Wiz didn't get a whole lot of immediate value in the Juwan Howard trade, but the deal was key in setting the team up to be able to acquire Arenas in the first place

Posted by: kalo_rama | January 17, 2010 4:29 PM | Report abuse

Glawrence - Thanks.

I hope its not serious. they will need him Wed against W&M. Any chance you are heading over to the game? the RTD is so bad now that they didn't have any info on his foot.

Posted by: Blurred | January 17, 2010 4:30 PM | Report abuse

"IF we could only get Miller back, I still think we have an opportunity to make a push for th elast play-off spot with miller."

And what would be the point of that? If the Wizards were a young, developing team building for the future, then an argument could be made that the psychic effect of winning and experiencing the playoffs could be more valuable than a moving up a couple of slots in the draft. But given what the Wizards actually are and the fact that most of the veteran players that make up the core of the team won't be here next season, there's really no substantive gain to be had from getting blown out in the first round, again. Been there, done that.

Posted by: kalo_rama | January 17, 2010 4:16 PM | Report abuse

Going from 19 wins to the recent mess, getting to the play-offs would actually be a victory.

Posted by: ptp23 | January 17, 2010 4:33 PM | Report abuse

"Going from 19 wins to the recent mess, getting to the play-offs would actually be a victory."

A Pyrrhic victory.

Posted by: kalo_rama | January 17, 2010 4:36 PM | Report abuse

I cant see a way any team picks up Arenas' deal, if someone will, then by all means do whatcha gotta do.

But dont pay him to play elsewhere.

Posted by: divi3 | January 17, 2010 4:41 PM | Report abuse

the RTD is so bad now that they didn't have any info on his foot.

Sorry man nothing yet.

Posted by: glawrence007 | January 17, 2010 5:07 PM | Report abuse

By using the investigator's report, the judge can postpone sentencing until later in March, when hopefully public outrage has cooled, lowering the stakes for somebody who has to sentence him.

Posted by: Samson151 | January 17, 2010 4:27 PM

Good point.

Posted by: cannontl | January 17, 2010 5:10 PM | Report abuse

"But dont pay him to play elsewhere."

It's not like the Wizards would pay his entire salary, or even a majority of it. If they did go that route, they'd probably only pay a few mill of the $17+ mil total. Besides, what do you care? It's not your money.

Posted by: kalo_rama | January 17, 2010 5:42 PM | Report abuse

I can't believe what i'm reading from some of you after a 19 win season, an episode of stupidity that was blown out of proportion by a feeding frenzy of local and national media, we now want to throw this man to the wolves and start over,think long and hard about this; if i were the Pollins i would think seriously about what they are about to do, a knee jerk reaction to this episode could be devestating to this franchise, Gil is quirky? no doubt, a goofball? absolutely, but a thug? not a chance, in a society where a young black men's manhood is routinely challenged we need to look long and hard at what happened in that locker room, Gil's not a "youngin" but his mindset is that of a nineteen year old. The Pollins need to have a sitdown with Gil,have Caron and Antawn sit in on the meeting and see if there is someway to salvage this situation after all there is more at stake than 111 million dollars.

Posted by: dargregmag | January 17, 2010 6:33 PM | Report abuse

"Besides, what do you care? It's not your money."

I couldn't care less about the actual money being spent.

What I dont want to see is several years of pleading no cap room due to a portion of Arenas' salary being paid elsewhere.

Do you think any team will pay even close to $17mill/yr for him anytime soon? I dont. That's why I dont see how we can move him without paying a significant portion of his salary for someone else.

Posted by: divi3 | January 17, 2010 6:41 PM | Report abuse

I can't believe what i'm reading from some of you after a 19 win season, an episode of stupidity that was blown out of proportion by a feeding frenzy of local and national media, we now want to throw this man to the wolves and start over,think long and hard about this; if i were the Pollins i would think seriously about what they are about to do, a knee jerk reaction to this episode could be devestating to this franchise, Gil is quirky? no doubt, a goofball? absolutely, but a thug? not a chance, in a society where a young black men's manhood is routinely challenged we need to look long and hard at what happened in that locker room, Gil's not a "youngin" but his mindset is that of a nineteen year old. The Pollins need to have a sitdown with Gil,have Caron and Antawn sit in on the meeting and see if there is someway to salvage this situation after all there is more at stake than 111 million dollars.

That may be all well and good...but the $111 is what everybody cares about. Cap room is the most important factor in this situation.

Posted by: SDMDTSU | January 17, 2010 6:46 PM | Report abuse

"Who is the guaranteed game changing superstar in this draft? John Wall? After 15 games you can tell that he will dominate in the NBA? I think this draft is 5x better than last year's."

I should point out that last year's draft has turned out to be a lot deeper than the experts projected. So far, at least.

It was supposed to be a one player draft -- remember how depressed the people here were at having the fifth pick? That one player ends up missing the entire season. Meanwhile, the second selection winds up warming the bench behind Pau Gasol's baby brother, and pick number five goes back to Spain to sulk.

It's the number 10 pick, who missed his own announcement on Draft Day, who becomes the early season ace in Milwaukee. Pick number 3 becomes a reliable contributor in OKC, and the 4th selection, considered by many a reach, is looking like the best of them all. Jonny Flynn and Steph Curry have been starters on their respective clubs, and I haven't even gotten to Ty Lawson, Jeff Teague, Omar Casspi, or Rodrigue Beaubois yet.

And this was supposed to be a weak class?

John Wall is certainly in a class with Derrick Rose a couple years back, but the class as a whole will have a hard time having as much impact as the current one.

Posted by: Samson151 | January 17, 2010 6:52 PM | Report abuse

"What I dont want to see is several years of pleading no cap room due to a portion of Arenas' salary being paid elsewhere."

As opposed to pleading no cap room because all of Arenas salary is being paid here? How is that any better? If they trade his one contract for multiple contracts, it'll be easier to create cap room because it'll be easier to move those smaller salaries in separate deals.

"Do you think any team will pay even close to $17mill/yr for him anytime soon?"

Sure, if trading for him allows them to trade away $17 mill in salaries attached to players who aren't as good as him. Arenas is a better player now than Howard was when he was traded. He's a better player than Eddy Curry was when his giant contract was last traded. Guys making similar money have been traded before.

There is no such thing as an untradable contract in the NBA.

"That's why I dont see how we can move him without paying a significant portion of his salary for someone else."

Howard was making more money than Arenas is now, and putting up less impressive numbers, when he was traded, and they didn't have to pay "a significant portion of his salary for someone else."


"after all there is more at stake than 111 million dollars."

Not for the Wizards' management there isn't.

Posted by: kalo_rama | January 17, 2010 6:57 PM | Report abuse

The Wizards paying (just for example) $2-4 mill of Arenas' salary for a year or two will hardly "cripple" the franchise.

Posted by: kalo_rama | January 17, 2010 7:00 PM | Report abuse

The Pollins need to have a sitdown with Gil,have Caron and Antawn sit in on the meeting and see if there is someway to salvage this situation after all there is more at stake than 111 million dollars.

Posted by: dargregmag | January 17, 2010 6:33 PM | Report abuse

I too think that Gil needs to meet with the Pollins. Clear the air. He needs to meet with Stern also.

I think the thing is blown way out of proportion.
10 game suspension is too much. Season suspension is ridiculous.

He should be back on the court soon.

Posted by: VBFan | January 17, 2010 7:03 PM | Report abuse

Don't overstate this class Samson...
People thought Harden would be good, some felt that way about Evans as well....some even thought Evans was freakishly good.

Curry starts....FOR GOLDEN STATE.
Flynn starts....FOR MINNESOTA.

Jennings scored 55 yeah...but he's got a green light on a bad team. A green light to shoot 38%...and I think he's like top 10 in FG attemptps or close to it.

Top 10 picks should start anyway...chances are you don't have anyone else good anyway. LOL

It's a bunch of complimentary player...not a lot of star power.

Posted by: SDMDTSU | January 17, 2010 7:12 PM | Report abuse

"If they trade his one contract for multiple contracts, it'll be easier to create cap room because it'll be easier to move those smaller salaries in separate deals."

That still requires a team willing to pick up 4yrs/$80mill for Arenas right? Nobody will do that.

"Sure, if trading for him allows them to trade away $17 mill in salaries attached to players who aren't as good as him."

Again, it's not 1yr of Arenas' deal that's the issue- it's the entire remaining contract.

"He's a better player than Eddy Curry was when his giant contract was last traded. Guys making similar money have been traded before."

Eddie Curry made $9mill in '09.

"Howard was making more money than Arenas is now, and putting up less impressive numbers, when he was traded, and they didn't have to pay "a significant portion of his salary for someone else."'

There was roughly $38million left on Juwan's contract when he was moved, a far cry from the $80mill Arenas is owed.

So either I am missing something here, or Arenas' deal is not comparable to the one's you're mentioning.

Posted by: divi3 | January 17, 2010 7:29 PM | Report abuse

The Pollins need to have a sitdown with Gil,have Caron and Antawn sit in on the meeting and see if there is someway to salvage this situation after all there is more at stake than 111 million dollars.

Posted by: dargregmag | January 17, 2010 6:33 PM | Report abuse

I too think that Gil needs to meet with the Pollins. Clear the air. He needs to meet with Stern also.

I think the thing is blown way out of proportion.
10 game suspension is too much. Season suspension is ridiculous.

He should be back on the court soon.


Posted by: VBFan | January 17, 2010 7:03 PM

The severity of the situation is the DC Law.

The Wizard organization and the League certainly should not make light of what Gilbert did, but they are in fact using the fact that it is a felony to smash his butt.

That being the case, in Gilberts shoes it would be hard for him to sit down in good faith and smiles when he knows that they are lambasting him.

Even the court system was willing to plea with him and not charge him to full extent of the law and they could have.

The Wizards and the League are not willing thus far to mitigate any mutual solution to the matter thus far.

They say they want to wait to see what his punishment is, but thats just empty chatter.

There are things they could be doing to facilitate this matter, but it is clear from where Gil sits, they just want to make an example out of him.

Look for arbitration to settle this matter and not from any meetings between Gilbert and the Wizards/League.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | January 17, 2010 7:29 PM | Report abuse

"As opposed to pleading no cap room because all of Arenas salary is being paid here? How is that any better?"

He's the best player in the nba that can be on the roster next season, so yes, it's better to pay him to play here than to pull a Wes.

I'd rather live with Arenas and AJ next season if when the dust settles their values are higher 12 months from now than today.

Posted by: divi3 | January 17, 2010 7:40 PM | Report abuse

So far as the Wizards moving Gil's contract, I don't see how they can do it effectively with the way they have chosen to deal with Gilbert.

Even though the League suspended him, were the Wizards then required to lock him out the house, so to speak?

They locked an 111 million asset or liability out of the house because they think they are in complete control of it.

But in actuality, they are not in complete control of it and Gilbert Arenas himself may still have some legal viability re' that 111 million dollar contract.

So, you would think that if Gilbert still does have some legalities re' his contract, it might have been in the Wizards interest to have at least stayed on talking terms with the fellow.

Hello. Hellooo!!! You can't be moving 80 million dollars around without all the legal parties being a party thereto, ya' think.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | January 17, 2010 7:56 PM | Report abuse

"I'd rather live with Arenas and AJ next season if when the dust settles their values are higher 12 months from now than today.

Posted by: divi3 | January 17, 2010 7:40 PM | Report abuse "

Yeah, and hold the franchise hostage for another season of garbage just like this one?

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | January 17, 2010 8:00 PM | Report abuse

"I think the thing is blown way out of proportion.
10 game suspension is too much. Season suspension is ridiculous.

He should be back on the court soon.

Posted by: VBFan | January 17, 2010 7:03 PM | Report abuse "

Admitting to a felony is blown out of proportion?

Go tell your kids that.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | January 17, 2010 8:02 PM | Report abuse

"Gilbert was not quite in the league of Wade or Lebron, but might have pushed himself to higher heights if things had not have happened, as Wise intimated in his column today.

Wise also pointed out that Gilbert has tried to do alot of good around DC and other places, and that he is hardly the embodiment of evil.

If the judge looks fully looks at his past and good he is doing now, it could help moderate his punishment.

Another thing Wise mentioned is also probably true if things continue as they are going: that Gilbert will not play for the Wizards again.

If Gilbert ever does push himeself to higher heights, it will likely be for another team where it may be on display in some future game(s) against the Wizards.

Posted by: cannontl | January 17, 2010 3:40 PM | Report abuse "

And Caron gives away bikes during Christmas, and hasn't committed a felony, so should he be considered for sainthood?

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | January 17, 2010 8:04 PM | Report abuse

"were you jealous or something? many nba players do stuff like that, it doesnt really have any bearing on whether they play D or not

Posted by: divi3 | January 17, 2010 3:26 PM | Report abuse "

It was clear after that event that this dude has his own personal agenda which did not put team first.

And, having his own agenda resulted debacles such as his prolonged injury due to his infamous and much publicized running behind a parachute rehab, exercising his leg off the side of the bed, and biking around town.

I don't need to go on, b/c then I'd be pouring on to an already ridiculous situation.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | January 17, 2010 8:06 PM | Report abuse

He's the best player in the nba that can be on the roster next season, so yes, it's better to pay him to play here than to pull a Wes.

I'd rather live with Arenas and AJ next season if when the dust settles their values are higher 12 months from now than today.

Posted by: divi3 | January 17, 2010 7:40 PM

Divi3,

What you are saying makes a whole lot of sense. But, this organization does not appear to be that smart, especially seeing how they are handling the situation as it is unfolding now.

And in order to do this they should be petitioning Stern to lift the suspension on Gilbert for it would be in their best interest.

But, the Wizards feel at this point that it is in their best interest to make Gilbert disappear.

People talk about how Gilbert is a goofball and he did it all to himself, but from where I sit I don't see any sage decisions being made by the Wizards either.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | January 17, 2010 8:08 PM | Report abuse

"Why on earth would we want to pay BTH the type of $$ he's going to see as a FA? He's not good enough to warrant attempting to re-sign him nor does he even want to play here most likely. Him leaving is mutually agreeable.

Can you read? He was talking about when Arenas was 23 and everyone in the entire league thought of him as an emerging force who was knocking on the door of league's highest echelon status.

Posted by: divi3 | January 17, 2010 3:21 PM | Report abuse "

Yeah, EG will let BTH walk and there will be a gaping hole in the middle...until they resign Peter John Ramos.

Maybe they'll promote Oberto or JaTravel since they've proven to be smashing successes so far this season.

Everyone insane in the league and on this blog body but me.....

Gilby is an @ssclown who finally got his just desserts.

Look at the stats...Gilby gets his points from the sheer volume of shots he takes. Percentage wise, not that impressive.

A good player, but clearer not a superstar, and clearly not worth max money.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | January 17, 2010 8:17 PM | Report abuse

"What they need to understand is that the majority of the fanbase is fine with having Arenas back next season on a roster that looks completely different.

But none of the fanbase is ok with a retarded Wes-type transaction that cuts off our nose to spite our face.

Posted by: divi3

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I have no idea whether you're right or wrong in your conjecture, but I'd love for you to post any statistics that show that your opinion is more than just your opinion.

Posted by: nmik | January 17, 2010 1:39 PM | Report abuse "

Don't hold your breath.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | January 17, 2010 8:19 PM | Report abuse

We're not talking about a career crimminal here just a goofball who went over the top .Gil has taken the fall for Javaris Crittenton whom it remains to be seen what his fate will be, after all it was he who reportedly chambered a round in his weapon not Arenas, a long probation a stiff fine and a ten game suspension that's it.

Posted by: dargregmag | January 17, 2010 8:24 PM | Report abuse

No. Gil is not going to sit down with the Pollins or iron out this situation and continue to play in Washington, with Jamison or any Wizards. He's gone. Don't delude yourself. Now we just need to know the shape of the deal. Kalo_rama is on the right track with that, in thinking about his value to someone like the Knicks, for example, or another West Coast offense. He's got value but it doesn't pay out here. Bye-bye, Gilbert. It's been nice, for the most part. But you wore out your welcome.

This year's draft holds lots more than John Wall, although he is the best prospect in years, way beyond Derrick Rose. I think you'll see an outstanding class just waiting to make a difference in the pros.

As much as I like good basketball, I'm giving it up with this team. The only game is how the management prepares for the post-Arenas era in Washington. Stay tuned.

Posted by: zinger1 | January 17, 2010 8:25 PM | Report abuse

A good player, but clearer not a superstar, and clearly not worth max money.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | January 17, 2010 8:17 PM

Even if Gilbert had not been so stupid as to go out and commit this felony, we would not have known whether he was superstar worthy until next year.

Your first year back from major knee surgery is just transition.

So once again you judge prematurely, but the foolishness of the player in question does not prove your point as of yet.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | January 17, 2010 8:26 PM | Report abuse

"We're not talking about a career crimminal here just a goofball who went over the top .Gil has taken the fall for Javaris Crittenton whom it remains to be seen what his fate will be, after all it was he who reportedly chambered a round in his weapon not Arenas, a long probation a stiff fine and a ten game suspension that's it.

Posted by: dargregmag | January 17, 2010 8:24 PM | Report abuse "

Gilby has taken the fall?

Oh, I didn't know all 4 of those weapons were Critt's. My bad.

Oh, BTW, Gilby had a prior firearm conviction when he was with Golden State.

Stupid people don't learn.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | January 17, 2010 8:28 PM | Report abuse

"Yeah, and hold the franchise hostage for another season of garbage just like this one?

Posted by: DC_MAN88"

In your weird, obsessive hatred of Arenas you don't seem to be able to separate the facts from your desire to get rid of him. Moving Arenas in Wes-like fashion will hold the franchise hostage for more than just 1 season.

Also, BTH is gone. A team in rebuild has no use whatsoever for a role player C who is going to demand large dollars. Might as well try and trade him to to get some value, as he's useless to us the moment the trade deadline passes

Posted by: divi3 | January 17, 2010 8:31 PM | Report abuse

"Top 10 picks should start anyway...chances are you don't have anyone else good anyway. LOL
It's a bunch of complimentary player...not a lot of star power.Posted by: SDMDTSU"

The 2008 class was supposed to be one of the strongest in several years. This year's class one of the weakest. And with Griffin hurt, Thabeet consigned to the bench, and Rubio in Spain -- possibly the three biggest names in the draft -- you'd expect to see little in the way of early success. But Harden, Evans, Flynn, Curry, and Jennings are all solid starters. No fair dissing them with the label of complementary players -- most of the top ten from 08 will wind up as complementary players.

Just goes to show you, the science of drafting isn't much of a science.

Posted by: Samson151 | January 17, 2010 9:02 PM | Report abuse

Also, BTH is gone. A team in rebuild has no use whatsoever for a role player C who is going to demand large dollars. Might as well try and trade him to to get some value, as he's useless to us the moment the trade deadline passes

Posted by: divi3 | January 17, 2010 8:31 PM

Divi3,

I agree with you that BTH is gone but not for the reasons you think. BTH is gone because of his own choosing.

It has nothing to do with his perceived inadequacies and what the Wizards want or think of him.

Using BTH the right way in the right system will have huge advantages. BTH is not a stiff. He knows this despite all the criticisms that he gets.

There are more than a few NBA organizations that can make good use of what BTH can do.

Can do is the key, for the Wizards and most of the bloggers here are obsessed with what he can't do.

What Brendan Haywood can do will earn him millions more than the unappreciative Wizards are willing to pay him.

But then, the Wizards are short on the building blocks of success.

How much luck do you think they will have signing JaVale McGee if things do not change.

They better sell to Ted Leonsis pretty damn quick and if they do, they might be paying Brendan instead of letting him walk.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | January 17, 2010 9:04 PM | Report abuse

After the Pollins calm down from their Knee jerk reaction and realize that they have an $80 million player that no one else will buy from them they will take back Gil and forgive & forget.
Stern will also admit to over reacting and reinstate Gil. It just makes good business sense for all concerned.

Posted by: VBFan | January 17, 2010 9:12 PM | Report abuse

"There are more than a few NBA organizations that can make good use of what BTH can do."

No doubt, and that's why he is going to get PAID.

But what he can do isnt enough for a team in the Wizards situation to consider paying what the open market will dictate

Posted by: divi3 | January 17, 2010 9:12 PM | Report abuse

The Orlando Majic are 26-14. A lot of good it did them to bench Skip to My Lou for Jameer Nelson.

If you ask me Skip to My Lou Rafer Alston is a better point guard than Nelson.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | January 17, 2010 9:16 PM | Report abuse

"But what he can do isnt enough for a team in the Wizards situation to consider paying what the open market will dictate

Posted by: divi3 | January 17, 2010 9:12 PM | Report abuse "

And what Gilby and MeTawn can do isn't enough for Les BouleS to win at least .500 of their games.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | January 17, 2010 9:23 PM | Report abuse

"

After the Pollins calm down from their Knee jerk reaction and realize that they have an $80 million player that no one else will buy from them they will take back Gil and forgive & forget.
Stern will also admit to over reacting and reinstate Gil. It just makes good business sense for all concerned.

Posted by: VBFan | January 17, 2010 9:12 PM | Report abuse "

You must be smoking a lot of crack lately.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | January 17, 2010 9:24 PM | Report abuse

"And what Gilby and MeTawn can do isn't enough for Les BouleS to win at least .500 of their games.

Posted by: DC_MAN88"

And? What does that have to do with paying BTH? You've got an odd little love affair going on with him, enjoy the rest of the season, cause he gone

Posted by: divi3 | January 17, 2010 9:26 PM | Report abuse

"In your weird, obsessive hatred of Arenas you don't seem to be able to separate the facts from your desire to get rid of him. Moving Arenas in Wes-like fashion will hold the franchise hostage for more than just 1 season.

Also, BTH is gone. A team in rebuild has no use whatsoever for a role player C who is going to demand large dollars. Might as well try and trade him to to get some value, as he's useless to us the moment the trade deadline passes

Posted by: divi3 | January 17, 2010 8:31 PM | Report abuse "

In your uncanny inability to grasp reality, you don't seem to be able to realize that Les BouleS don't give a crap about whether Gilby can still play and help the team....they only want him gone.

This team was lottery last season and lottery bound this season with him. The only way they can go is up from here.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | January 17, 2010 9:27 PM | Report abuse

The 2008 class was supposed to be one of the strongest in several years. This year's class one of the weakest. And with Griffin hurt, Thabeet consigned to the bench, and Rubio in Spain -- possibly the three biggest names in the draft -- you'd expect to see little in the way of early success. But Harden, Evans, Flynn, Curry, and Jennings are all solid starters. No fair dissing them with the label of complementary players -- most of the top ten from 08 will wind up as complementary players.

Harden doesn't start. Harden, Curry, Evans and even Flynn were expected to be decent. Jennings people saw talent but other issues were his red flag. Rose, Mayo, Beasley, Westbrook, Love, Lopez, Bayless, Thompson, Randolph, even your Speights, McGee, Hickson, Ryan Anderson, Courtney Lee, Batum, George Hill, Donte Greene, Mario Chalmers.

The 09 class isn't too deep in yet...but I don't think it stacks up.

Posted by: SDMDTSU | January 17, 2010 9:39 PM | Report abuse

"...they only want him gone.

This team was lottery last season and lottery bound this season with him. The only way they can go is up from here.

Posted by: DC_MAN88"

if you're following these posts you'll see that all i am saying is that making a deal based solely on "wanting him gone" is making a bad situation worse.

Posted by: divi3 | January 17, 2010 9:41 PM | Report abuse

"if you're following these posts you'll see that all i am saying is that making a deal based solely on "wanting him gone" is making a bad situation worse.

Posted by: divi3 | January 17, 2010 9:41 PM | Report abuse "

It doesn't matter.....the owners will do whatever they want to do and deal with the consequences.

Nothing can be more bold than Abe tossing MJ to the curb like a used rubber, but he did and they moved on.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | January 17, 2010 9:54 PM | Report abuse

divi...why are you wasting your time banging your head into a brick wall? Let Gossip_Girl88 have her obsession. Look at the bright side...once Gil is gone he will have no reason to ever post again.

Posted by: SDMDTSU | January 17, 2010 9:55 PM | Report abuse

"Rose, Mayo, Beasley, Westbrook, Love, Lopez, Bayless, Thompson, Randolph, even your Speights, McGee, Hickson, Ryan Anderson, Courtney Lee, Batum, George Hill, Donte Greene, Mario Chalmers.
The 09 class isn't too deep in yet...but I don't think it stacks up.Posted by: SDMDTSU"

You're sort of proving my point. '08 was supposed to be really good; '09 was supposed to be exceptionally thin. Even with '09's best prospect out with an injury, and Rubio in Spain, they're not very far apart.

Posted by: Samson151 | January 17, 2010 10:08 PM | Report abuse

"divi...why are you wasting your time banging your head into a brick wall? Let Gossip_Girl88 have her obsession. Look at the bright side...once Gil is gone he will have no reason to ever post again.

Posted by: SDMDTSU | January 17, 2010 9:55 PM | Report abuse "

Only in your wet dreams....

I will still be here once Gilby is shown the door.

I was right when morons such as you were riding Gilby's jock, and I will continue to be here to show you the error in your ways once he's gone.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | January 17, 2010 10:26 PM | Report abuse

The sympathy for Arenas is beyond me. He is getting what he deserves. A suspension for at least the remainder of this season is most likely and voiding his contract after pleading guilty to a felony is a very real possibility. Don't know what some of you are reading, but what I've read and heard the felony charge was the only real way the team would have a chance to void his contract and he did get charged with such and plead guilty.

It's pretty black and white. Go figure! You bring weapons to work and a tragic mistake could have resulted and the employer does not want to have you back. Really? Wow...seems so harsh. All the enabling, coddling etc etc along the way only resulted in him being a very rich man for the rest of his life albeit an immature one. So, again, no sympathy here.

His contract will be voided bc if it is not then the "moral turpitude" clause in NBA contracts might as well be ripped up. And there is a specific clause that mentions felonies. Goodbye, good riddance and I hope you can rebuild your life in a different city as soon as possible. That much Arenas does deserve as everyone deserves a second chance. Thank God this ended as a comic tragedy rather than a real tragedy.

Posted by: rphilli721 | January 17, 2010 10:30 PM | Report abuse

"His contract will be voided bc if it is not then the "moral turpitude" clause in NBA contracts might as well be ripped up. And there is a specific clause that mentions felonies. Goodbye, good riddance and I hope you can rebuild your life in a different city as soon as possible. That much Arenas does deserve as everyone deserves a second chance. Thank God this ended as a comic tragedy rather than a real tragedy.

Posted by: rphilli721 | January 17, 2010 10:30 PM | Report abuse "

Not only did Gilby say that he didn't think he did anything wrong, but now he feels as though the franchise didn't support him.

Gilby is a joke, and I'm glad the Pollins came out and said that Gilby is responsible for his own actions.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | January 17, 2010 10:35 PM | Report abuse

"That still requires a team willing to pick up 4yrs/$80mill for Arenas right? Nobody will do that."

You don't know that. Big contracts do get moved, and before this whole episode, Arenas was playing some good ball. At least one other team thought he was worth more than what the Wizards are paying him now as a FA, so it's not like he has no value. If the Wizards pick up the tab for a couple mill or so, it sweetens the pot and greases the wheels.

"Eddie Curry made $9mill in '09."

My bad. I got him confused with Zach Randolph. One fat load is as good as another.

"There was roughly $38million left on Juwan's contract when he was moved, a far cry from the $80mill Arenas is owed."

Well, we can argue scale all day, but contending teams have gone all in on guy with several years left in an attempt to go for it now (and those are the teams most likely to have an interest). And Howard wasn't as productive a player when he was traded as Arenas is now. Teams will spend more for players they think will help them more. If they've got $18 mill tied up next season in players who are less productive than Arenas (and trust me, several teams do) then they may well be willing to take a shot at an upgrade. I'm not saying it's a definite or that it'll be easy but, again, no contract is unmovable in the NBA.

Will the Wizards get premium talent back? Nope. Not even close. But that's hardly their main concern at this point. Putting aside the fact that Arenas almost certainly will want out, there's really nothing to be gained for the Wizards by keeping him. We already know, pretty conclusively, that they can't win big with him as the centerpiece of the team. They could keep him and try to rebuild the rest of this team, but having that much salary lumped into one package will inhibit their ability to pursue even midlevel FAs let alone a big fish who could be 1A to Arenas' 1B. And even if they wanted to go that route, that process will take several years and he'll likely be at the end of his contract when it's complete, at which point (A) He'll be 32 or 33 years old and (B) there'll be no guarantee he'll re-sign. Trying to mix the old with the new doesn't make much sense for this franchise, because the old has yielded nothing but disappointment. Better to start fresh overall.

Posted by: kalo_rama | January 17, 2010 10:39 PM | Report abuse

"I'd rather live with Arenas and AJ next season if when the dust settles their values are higher 12 months from now than today."

To what end? Another year of underperformance and unfulfilled expectations leading nowhere, with no forward momentum? Doesn't make much sense. When it's time to move on, it's time to move on. What happens if Arenas breaks an ankle next season or Jamison's age finally catches up with him? Jamison's value is high right now. Arenas's isn't, but once they get rid of Jamison, keeping Arenas makes little sense. Hell, it makes little sense now. It made little sense before the gun thing. Waiting guarantees nothing. The Big 3 experiment has failed. Time to flush the samples and washout the test tubes.

In a weird way, it might actually be easier to trade Arenas now. Before the gun charge, most teams would figure that the Wizards wouldn't want him gone badly enough to take as much junk as they would want to unload. Now teams know the Wiz will have to get rid of him and so will be lining up to toss their junk at them. As long as the junk is broken up into the right packages, it could be to the Wizards advantage. Make no mistake, trading him likely means they'll be awful for the next few years, but what have we seen to suggest they wouldn't be awful the next several years with him? As long as it's the prelude to an actual rebuilding plan, then moving him makes full sense.


You keep saying that the Wizards won't be able to trade Arenas, but that's obviously a "we won't know until it happens" issue. It's also irrelevant to the real crux of the discussion, namely whether they should trade Arenas or not. That's really what we're talking about here, isn't it?

Assuming they can, should they? I say yes. Clearly, you say no. Why?

If you're opposed to trading him because you don't want to see the team bottom out or sell assets for pennies on the dollar, well you need to face facts: That's the only way for them to start the process of climbing up. Rebuilding on the fly without losing ground is rare and exceedingly tough to pull off. Moreover, the Wizards don't even have any ground to protect. They're already bad and promise to be so next season, when most or all of their FAs split and they fail to attract any replacements of significance, Arenas or no Arenas. Everyone--players, franchise, fans--needs to abandon the conceit that this team is just one run of good health or the return of Mike Miller or one good winning streak away from being a real force. They aren't. They're a crap team with a bunch of expensive 30-something players and middling at best youngsters with low ceilings. Not doing anything and hoping for better next season is what got them into this mess to begin with.

Posted by: kalo_rama | January 17, 2010 10:40 PM | Report abuse

"And there is a specific clause that mentions felonies."

I'm pretty sure the clause in question specifically mentions "violent felonies." A gun possession charge, in and of itself, does not qualify.

Posted by: kalo_rama | January 17, 2010 10:41 PM | Report abuse

"After the Pollins calm down from their Knee jerk reaction and realize that they have an $80 million player that no one else will buy from them they will take back Gil and forgive & forget.
Stern will also admit to over reacting and reinstate Gil. It just makes good business sense for all concerned."

What are you talking about? Stern will admit to nothing as GA got charged with a felony and will probably serve time behind bars. If anything, that only solidifies his current stance of a indefinite suspension. What "business sense for all concerned" are you talking about? GA absolutely damages the image of the league now and no longer is a marketing asset whatsoever (Addidas said bye bye as well) and, as for the Wiz, he wasn't living up to his contract to begin with and now is nothing more than an embarrassing distraction. You think GA would sell tickets if he were to return? Hell, no. The only way to bring fans back is to win again and as we saw at the beginning of the season that was not happening with him anymore due to his declining abilities and bc some players seemed to be tired of being his teammate as well.

Posted by: rphilli721 | January 17, 2010 10:42 PM | Report abuse

"If you ask me Skip to My Lou Rafer Alston is a better point guard than Nelson."

Did anyone ask?

Posted by: kalo_rama | January 17, 2010 10:42 PM | Report abuse

"I'm pretty sure the clause in question specifically mentions "violent felonies." A gun possession charge, in and of itself, does not qualify."

lol..well if that is the case it's a shame. I'm going off of what the "legal expert" on ESPN discussed. He, of course, said that it would be contested and might not end up working, but a felony charge was the team's only hope of voiding his contract. I can almost guarantee they attempt to as the team has nothing to lose. Obviously, he is never playing for this franchise again so alienating him further means nothing.

Also, it's interesting how GA looks less and less as a harmless goofball as more facts and statements are being revealed. Threatening to shoot a teammate in the head and/or burning his car is beyond the pale. Whatever part Crittenton played in this fiasco, I will say that his reaction is slightly more justified in my view in light of these new revelations. Of course, he has his own legal ramifications to deal with. Alas he was smart enough not to seal his own fate as GA did.

That's the other tragic part in this. The Wiz lost a pretty decent backup PG at the very least. A player that with some experience and work on his jump shot could have developed into a solid NBA starter in the near future. But, he is now probably facing a lifetime ban or blackballing from the league.

Posted by: rphilli721 | January 17, 2010 11:02 PM | Report abuse

"It's also irrelevant to the real crux of the discussion, namely whether they should trade Arenas or not. That's really what we're talking about here, isn't it?

Assuming they can, should they? I say yes. Clearly, you say no. Why?"

No, I am fine with trading or keeping him- whichever reflects the best return on investment.

What I'm not ok with is eating $30mill or some ridiculous amount just to get him out....because I dont see anyone taking on his contract without a major offset.

And bottoming out can also include being stuck with him for another year as his contract gets smaller and more palatable. Of course, as you say he could break his ankle.

If Arenas and AJ are on the team next season, playing with NY, Mcgee, a high draft pick, and whatever other players we can get through trading CB, AB, and money freed up by departures of BTH, Miller, etc.....to me that's a better start to a rebuild than getting negative value on Arenas and giving away AJ.

btw, Randolph only has $33mill left over 2yrs on his deal. There is no situation where $80mill gets moved, which is why I think he may be stuck here unless voided

Posted by: divi3 | January 17, 2010 11:05 PM | Report abuse

DCMAN88: Gil will be here next season apparently, much to your chagrin,so think of some more negative post for next year.The Pollin's risk ailenating the fan base by acting as judge,jury and a lynch mob along with some of the fans as if Gil has been a career crimminal like i posted earlier when everyone calms down then clearer heads should prevail.

Posted by: dargregmag | January 17, 2010 11:06 PM | Report abuse

"That's the other tragic part in this. The Wiz lost a pretty decent backup PG at the very least. A player that with some experience and work on his jump shot could have developed into a solid NBA starter in the near future. But, he is now probably facing a lifetime ban or blackballing from the league."

You mean the guy who was bringing loaded guns to the locker room?

Posted by: divi3 | January 17, 2010 11:07 PM | Report abuse

I'll take JC any day of the year over Boykins as a backup PG even without a jump shot. The dude is 6 5, plays defense, can get to the rim and finish and has real PG skills. Many players have improved their jump shot, which was his most glaring weakness, with hard work and experience. What a shame! All this due to the franchise player being a complete buffoon.

Posted by: rphilli721 | January 17, 2010 11:09 PM | Report abuse

"What I'm not ok with is eating $30mill or some ridiculous amount just to get him out....because I dont see anyone taking on his contract without a major offset."

Well, I never suggested it would take that much, nor do I think it will take that. I quite specifically said a small percentage. So if that's the crux of your argument, you're arguing with the wrong person for the wrong reasons.

Posted by: kalo_rama | January 17, 2010 11:13 PM | Report abuse

"You mean the guy who was bringing loaded guns to the locker room?"

I'm not condoning his conduct either. But, if a teammate threatens to shoot you in the head during a heated argument and then a couple of days later sets 4 pistols in your locker with a note that says "pick one" that would be grounds to overreact out of anger and feeling threatened in my book. It's also why GA tried to cover things up and take the rap bc GA knew he pretty much was the catalyst behind a situation that got out of hand as things tend to do when you play with guns. Again, he faces his own ramifications, which likely involves no career whatsoever in the NBA anymore.

By the way, it was reported he "loaded" his gun after finding the note and guns in his locker. So, saying he brought a loaded gun with him is factually incorrect based on current reporting.

Posted by: rphilli721 | January 17, 2010 11:19 PM | Report abuse

given the economic state of the league and the negative pr associated with arenas....i cant see any team taking him without a crippling concession on our part.

which is why i'm still thinking in terms of him being here next season, unless his contract is voided

Posted by: divi3 | January 17, 2010 11:19 PM | Report abuse

"btw, Randolph only has $33mill left over 2yrs on his deal."

He had significantly more than that when he was traded to the Knicks 2+ years ago.

"There is no situation where $80mill gets moved, which is why I think he may be stuck here unless voided"

You can try to parse the specific amounts all you want, but that doesn't change the essential fact at the crux of the issue: Large contracts do and can get moved. That is a fact. Whether one exactly the size of Arenas's has ever been traded before is largely irrelevant. Teams can, have, and will take a gamble if they think the payoff is a shot at a tile. Does than mean that Arenas's can or will definitely be traded? Of course not. But it certainly means that it's not by any means completely outside the real of possibility, no matter how much you'd like it to be.

Posted by: kalo_rama | January 17, 2010 11:20 PM | Report abuse

'By the way, it was reported he "loaded" his gun after finding the note and guns in his locker. So, saying he brought a loaded gun with him is factually incorrect based on current reporting.'

i just find it odd that you're lamenting poor Critt who was bringing guns and ammo to the locker room...while at the same time you're saying it's all Arenas' fault for bringing guns.

the most ridiculous thing to me is that arenas brought guns, only to find a teammate had guns and ammo in his locker already. pathetic franchise!

Posted by: divi3 | January 17, 2010 11:24 PM | Report abuse

And, for the record, I'm fairly certain that any money exchanged in a trade counts as salary cap space the same as a player's contract, so the Wizards couldn't give away $30 mill to move Arenas even if they wanted to. The most they could give would be the value of his actual salary in the year of the trade (+/- 15%), the same as any contract they trade would have to be withing that same range. And I also believe there's an actual CBA-mandated limit on the amount of cash that can be exchanged in a trade and it falls far short of $30 mill.

Posted by: kalo_rama | January 17, 2010 11:27 PM | Report abuse

"And, for the record...it falls far short of $30 mill."

In that case I do think it's beyond the realm of possibility to move him. We shall see.

Posted by: divi3 | January 17, 2010 11:34 PM | Report abuse

"i just find it odd that you're lamenting poor Critt who was bringing guns and ammo to the locker room...while at the same time you're saying it's all Arenas' fault for bringing guns."

I'm not lamenting for Crittendon. I'm just saying his actions make more sense in light of the new revelations. He doesn't know if those guns are loaded or not. He was threatened and reacted as many people who grew up in the inner city might. I am lamenting the whole situation which has put the franchise in such peril and, yes, cost us a possible up and coming player as well. He is not as set for life as GA is and his career is essentially over in the NBA. If you consider those facts as lamenting for Crittenton, then so be it. To me, without GA's actions, this situation never occurs and they both have unmarred careers ahead of them.

Posted by: rphilli721 | January 17, 2010 11:36 PM | Report abuse

"I'm not lamenting for Crittendon. I'm just saying his actions make more sense in light of the new revelations. He doesn't know if those guns are loaded or not. He was threatened and reacted as many people who grew up in the inner city might. I am lamenting the whole situation which has put the franchise in such peril and, yes, cost us a possible up and coming player as well. He is not as set for life as GA is and his career is essentially over in the NBA. If you consider those facts as lamenting for Crittenton, then so be it. To me, without GA's actions, this situation never occurs and they both have unmarred careers ahead of them.

Posted by: rphilli721 | January 17, 2010 11:36 PM | Report abuse "

Yes, based on the latest news, in response to Gilby's bravado, Critt challenged Gilby to an old fashioned fist fight.

Gilby backed down on that offer, but instead, threatened to shoot JCritt in the face.

What a great teammate.

On a side note, I wonder who was the gopher boy teammate that took Gilby's suit case full of guns down to the parking garage, but couldn't figure out which car was Gilby's.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | January 18, 2010 12:25 AM | Report abuse

"DCMAN88: Gil will be here next season apparently, much to your chagrin,so think of some more negative post for next year.The Pollin's risk ailenating the fan base by acting as judge,jury and a lynch mob along with some of the fans as if Gil has been a career crimminal like i posted earlier when everyone calms down then clearer heads should prevail.

Posted by: dargregmag | January 17, 2010 11:06 PM | Report abuse "

That's great...more ammo for me to break your heart with.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | January 18, 2010 12:28 AM | Report abuse

"On a side note, I wonder who was the gopher boy teammate that took Gilby's suit case full of guns down to the parking garage, but couldn't figure out which car was Gilby's."

If I had to guess, I would go with McGee being as clueless off the court as on it...lol. He just doesn't strike me as being a terribly bright individual, which might/is lowering his potential ceiling.

Posted by: rphilli721 | January 18, 2010 2:24 AM | Report abuse

By the way, I pulled the bs flag immediately when I heard he supposedly brought the guns to the arena bc of his third child being born. Now, according to the "Proffer of facts", he brought them to the arena the same day as the "joke". To me, that does show a certain amount of menace. At the very least, it's a joke meant to intimidate. Yeah, great leader, great teammate.

Posted by: rphilli721 | January 18, 2010 2:28 AM | Report abuse

"By the way, I pulled the bs flag immediately when I heard he supposedly brought the guns to the arena bc of his third child being born. Now, according to the "Proffer of facts", he brought them to the arena the same day as the "joke". To me, that does show a certain amount of menace. At the very least, it's a joke meant to intimidate. Yeah, great leader, great teammate.

Posted by: rphilli721 | January 18, 2010 2:28 AM | Report abuse "

I generally pull the BS flag even before Gilby opens his mouth.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | January 18, 2010 3:57 PM | Report abuse

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