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Wizards 104, Magic 97

By Michael Lee  |  January 8, 2010; 11:52 PM ET
 
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It’s called addition by subtraction when a team loses a ball hog the other players feel like they are more involved in the game versus just standing around watching.

Memphis is a better team without AI, Houston is a better team without TMac and the Wizards are a better team without Gil.

Like it or not those are the facts.

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | January 9, 2010 7:52 AM | Report abuse

don't agree with that. That might be rush judgement or wishful thinking. I would love for the team gel and go on a great run but that was one game. I have seen this movie before. Call me when they are above .500

Posted by: gmac78 | January 9, 2010 8:56 AM | Report abuse

Bulletfan that may be true, but after the better part of 30 years of being Clippers East. It was Gil that brought us a ray of hope.

Just acknowledging the fact that he gave this moribund organization life.

I wish him the best. He created his own mess, but I'm still rooting for him.

Posted by: bozomoeman | January 9, 2010 9:01 AM | Report abuse

"Kudos to Caron Butler who was NOT in the circle as Wild Gil shot his finger pistols in what was hopefully his last game as a Wizard in Philly..

Caron from what I can tell is the only guy not in the circle laughing it up.

Good for you CB..

Posted by: kevenjones | January 7, 2010 11:45 AM | Report abuse "

MeTawn was actually in the picture yukking it up, but only NY, AB, JaTravel, and Foye got fined $10k.

Talk about the star treatment.

Maybe MeTawn got a proposition....make a speech to the crowd, or pay $10k.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | January 9, 2010 9:04 AM | Report abuse

"MeTawn was actually in the picture yukking it up, but only NY, AB, JaTravel, and Foye got fined $10k.

Talk about the star treatment."

According to the New York Times, those four were the only ones who fell down, pretending to be shot.

Posted by: nmik | January 9, 2010 9:10 AM | Report abuse

"According to the New York Times, those four were the only ones who fell down, pretending to be shot.

Posted by: nmik | January 9, 2010 9:10 AM | Report abuse "

Maybe they fell down laughing at how stupid Gilby was acting.

Who doesn't like a train wreck?

As captain of the team, MeTawn clearly turned a blind eye and didn't do his job.

This out of control behavior by Gilby didn't happen overnight.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | January 9, 2010 9:13 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | January 9, 2010 9:13 AM | Report abuse

Since Les BouleS are short handed, I hope JCritt can heal up soon and get back on the court.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | January 9, 2010 9:14 AM | Report abuse

Good win! Margin for error is razor thin without Gil. Not ready to proclaim that the Wiz are better without him, but maybe Gil's absence will resolve some of the apparent chemistry issues this team seems to be having. Keep up the effort Wiz! That is what it will take to remain competitive...

Posted by: MEssex | January 9, 2010 9:21 AM | Report abuse

I'd love to believe last night was the start of something, but I don't trust anything about this team or organization. The game was exciting and the energy in the building was among the best I've seen all year (the win over Cleveland was nice, too). But I kept wondering if Caron, Antawn, and Brenda were just auditioning for other teams.

Maybe Foye and Miller and Brenda's Contract Year are what it takes to turn the 19-63 Caron and Antawn disaster from last year into a club with a fighting chance. And maybe in the long run throwing Gilbert under the bus will free up cap space (even if we should all be ashamed of ourselves for turning our backs on him).

But it will be a long time before I put any faith in this organization. I'm pretty sure we've seen this movie before.

Posted by: bryc3 | January 9, 2010 9:22 AM | Report abuse

I think Les BouleS are fine as they are for now...no trade needed if Gilby does not return and they can void his contract....especially do not make desperate trade moves for more garbage.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=4808994

After all, they are only 3 games out of the 8th spot.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/standings?season=2010&group=conference&seasontype=2&standType=standings

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | January 9, 2010 9:24 AM | Report abuse

Eminem is good at making sure the ball gets rotated.

If I was a team that was looking to add to my playoff roster, I wouldn't be looking at MeTawn if I wanted to keep the team concept, I'd be looking to trade for Eminem.

I think he'd probably thrive with the Spurs or Suns.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | January 9, 2010 9:29 AM | Report abuse

"Memphis is a better team without AI, Houston is a better team without TMac and the Wizards are a better team without Gil. Like it or not those are the facts.Posted by: bulletsfan78"

LOL I don't know if I'd be calling those 'facts'. Opinions, sure.

Ever notice how often the two get confused around here?

Here's a fact: after a two year layoff, Arenas has been approximately at his career average in pretty much every major stat category except assists, where he's substantially above his career average.

That would qualify as 'facts'.

Now someone could argue that this is because he's a me-first player who's only looking to goose his numbers, but that would be an opinion.

Despite Arenas' successful comeback from injury, the team hasn't won as expected. That'd be a fact.

Somebody here could then argue that this is due to Arenas' failure to sacrifice his own game for the good of the team, but that would be an opinion.

Arenas has been suspended indefinitely by David Stern for conduct unbecoming, and he is currently subject of an investigation into possible criminal behavior involving possession of unloaded guns in the District.
Those are facts.

That could be followed by reams of discussion about the possible ramifications of the above in terms of the Wiz' future, but those would be opinions, right? Until more facts emerged.

Since the suspension, the Wiz have played two games. One against Cleveland, in which they looked really bad. One against Orlando, a playoff club coming off four consecutive losses to sub-.500 teams, in which they looked better.

Somebody might then argue that the team was better without Arenas, but that'd just be an opinion, and not a particularly supportable one at this point. Particularly given how poorly Orlando's been playing, and the absence of Vince Carter.

We read so much propaganda around here we begin to mistake it for fact, because of the sheer volume. What's the saying? If you repeat something often enough, and loud enough, it becomes fact.

Not really. It stays propaganda. Until and if the facts change in its favor.

Gilbert told the police a real cowpat of a fairy story about the guns and how they got into the locker room. That's a fact. Why did he do it, and what does it mean about the future of Western civilization?

More opinion.


Posted by: Samson151 | January 9, 2010 9:33 AM | Report abuse

Good post, Samson151.

Posted by: nmik | January 9, 2010 9:45 AM | Report abuse

Good example of propaganda and its relationship to reality: Rudy Giuliani on TV insisting 'we've had no domestic terrorist attacks under Bush." Forgetting the big one on which he based his career, along with a few others involving shoes and anthrax.

I don't think Rudy is stupid, so IMO he's just mistaking his propaganda message for factual reality. It's like Ronald Reagan starting to believe that the scene from his old movie really happened.

Think Rudy is a basketball fan? Maybe he can explain the Knicks.

Posted by: Samson151 | January 9, 2010 9:46 AM | Report abuse


It’s called addition by subtraction when a team loses a ball hog the other players feel like they are more involved in the game versus just standing around watching.

Memphis is a better team without AI, Houston is a better team without TMac and the Wizards are a better team without Gil.

Like it or not those are the facts.

Posted by: bulletsfan78

Did you watch the Cavs game? Dont be stupid.

Posted by: divi3 | January 9, 2010 9:48 AM | Report abuse

They are not better without Gil and the Wizards will find that out the hard way, try as they might, scrub the walls of the Verizon Center clean, take his jersey's and paraphanelia out of the team store, Gil played hard for this team, and if not for ill fated stupidity we would still be rooting hard for him to succeed but because of one immature transgression we are throwing the baby out with the bath water,remember it was Gil's choice to take blame and not drag others into this situation and now he is being vilified by almost everybody, but not me i will always support you my friend if for no other reason then it seems like everyone is against you, trust me Gil it's always darkest before the dawn and you will triumph again.

Posted by: dargregmag | January 9, 2010 9:49 AM | Report abuse

Here's a fact: after a two year layoff, Arenas has been approximately at his career average in pretty much every major stat category except assists, where he's substantially above his career average.

That would qualify as 'facts'.


Posted by: Samson151 | January 9, 2010 9:46 AM | Report abuse

And thier record was 11-22 with him?

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | January 9, 2010 9:50 AM | Report abuse

What if the team goes on a mini-run, say 4 outta 5 all while EG is looking for ways to blow it up. Worst of both worlds for EG and the organization.

If it's blown up completely, I'm guessing EG has been assured by Stern they can void Gil's deal. Wilbon mentioned the player union's defense of Arenas' contract may be perfunctory at best given how many players are upset with his behavior. I cant see that being the case just on the general principle of not setting the precedent, but if Wilbon is right....

Posted by: divi3 | January 9, 2010 9:52 AM | Report abuse

"Here's a fact: after a two year layoff, Arenas has been approximately at his career average in pretty much every major stat category except assists, where he's substantially above his career average.

That would qualify as 'facts'.


Posted by: Samson151 | January 9, 2010 9:46 AM | Report abuse"

The only stat category that really matters is in the win-loss column.

Given that, Gilby's averages don't equate to max money production.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | January 9, 2010 10:06 AM | Report abuse

Let's build the franchise around Mike Miller right?

Posted by: divi3 | January 9, 2010 10:30 AM | Report abuse

Given that, Gilby's averages don't equate to max money production.

Posted by: DC_MAN88

That's definitely true, if everything goes on the shoulders of your big money guy regardless of anything else.

Given that the Heat and Raptors struggles to stay at .500, what kind of money are DWade and RuPaul worth?

Posted by: divi3 | January 9, 2010 10:32 AM | Report abuse

@divi3,

Aren't you along with kalo_rama & lilhollywood, part of the Haywood hating clan?

Posted by: kevenjones | January 9, 2010 10:47 AM | Report abuse

"They are not better without Gil and the Wizards..."

They are 100% a better "team" without Gil, there's no arguing that.

As I said on the last blog, Caron plays better w/o Gil. Always has. You're gonna have to as Caron about as to why.

I have a feeling EG is going to wait until the All Star break to see where the Wiz are. They won last night, but they have to play much more consistent. Having Miller back helped, even with just his 6 points. He will improve over the next couple of weeks. I really like the Foye/Miller conbo in the back court.

IFF they can dump Gil's contract, then they look pretty good for next season. One good thing about EG is he doesn't do what Wes did when he was GM and panic. He's much more patient.

If they can make the playoffs I don't think you're going to see a blow up. We'll see I guess.

Good win guys.

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | January 9, 2010 10:50 AM | Report abuse

What is with all this sympathy for a multi-millionaire who moronically brought guns to the work place and thought it was a joke???

Posted by: rphilli721 | January 9, 2010 10:52 AM | Report abuse

I maintained that they are a better team without Arenas.

Again, last year they missed Haywood more than Arenas.

Not that Arenas isn't a better talent but THIS team needs Haywood much more than Arenas. The offense flows much better and the defensive effort is much higher, without GA111.

Man where are the Haywood haters today?????

Posted by: kevenjones | January 9, 2010 10:54 AM | Report abuse

"I maintained that they are a better team without Arenas.

Again, last year they missed Haywood more than Arenas.

Not that Arenas isn't a better talent but THIS team needs Haywood much more than Arenas. The offense flows much better and the defensive effort is much higher, without GA111.

Man where are the Haywood haters today?????

Posted by: kevenjones | January 9, 2010 10:54 AM | Report abuse "

That's like asking lepers to raise their hands.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | January 9, 2010 11:17 AM | Report abuse

"What is with all this sympathy for a multi-millionaire who moronically brought guns to the work place and thought it was a joke???

Posted by: rphilli721 | January 9, 2010 10:52 AM | Report abuse "

I'm sure there are those out there who had sympathy for the underwear bomber too.

Dude is an enemy combatant...bring back waterboarding.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | January 9, 2010 11:18 AM | Report abuse

Haywood balled last night, and he usually does against DHoward. Probably because depsite Howard's strength, he's closer to Lebron's height than he is Brendon's.

Where was kevinjones after ancient Shaq dominated Brenda the game before, like he ALWAYS does? Good lord, at some point can Haywood have even a decent game against the Old Man?

If the team is rebuilding, there is no way Haywood will be part of the plans, nor should he be. He's 30 and a FA after the season, that doesnt fit into a rebuild scenario.

Posted by: divi3 | January 9, 2010 11:19 AM | Report abuse

"That's definitely true, if everything goes on the shoulders of your big money guy regardless of anything else.

Given that the Heat and Raptors struggles to stay at .500, what kind of money are DWade and RuPaul worth?

Posted by: divi3 | January 9, 2010 10:32 AM | Report abuse "

Probably more, since DWade does have a ring.

Ask yourself, would EG trade Gilby for DWade or CP right about now, for the same price?

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | January 9, 2010 11:21 AM | Report abuse

and the team IS rebuilding, make no mistake. Gil is dunzo in DC, and the team's best player is 34. Funny how the Gil-haters crow over a win last night...but dont want to ever give Jamison his due.

Posted by: divi3 | January 9, 2010 11:22 AM | Report abuse

"Let's build the franchise around Mike Miller right?

Posted by: divi3 | January 9, 2010 10:30 AM | Report abuse "

Who's more worthy on Les BouleS?

It's no coincidence that the team won last night against the Magic, but lost against the Cavs.

Eminem was the xfactor at +13 even though he only took 5 shots.

I like the new cut better than the Jesus look too.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | January 9, 2010 11:24 AM | Report abuse

Gilbert told the police a real cowpat of a fairy story about the guns and how they got into the locker room.

Posted by: Samson151 | January 9, 2010 9:33 AM

" cowpat of a fairy story" -- now that would be opinion, right, Samson?

@kevenjones
The BTH haters are still around. Witness bryc3's insulting nickname and preshrunk's accusing him of "snitching." We have lawyers posting to this site, but also apparently people who have done time in the big house, bringing their perverted ethics to the discussion. Snitching. I agree with you, the Wiz missed BTH more last year than Gil.

Posted by: 7snider7 | January 9, 2010 11:24 AM | Report abuse

Let's build the franchise around Mike Miller right?

Posted by: divi3 | January 9, 2010 10:30 AM

People like you kill me. You take one small thing and twist and extrapolate it into that no one ever said. No one ever said Miller is a "franchise player" around whom you build a team. Miller is a glue guy with a high bball IQ who makes a team better because he makes the right decisions on the court. He's unselfish. If he's not making the assist, he's making the pass before the pass that's an assist. He also rebounds. He was the difference between what happened against Cleveland and what happened at VC as far as offensive flow.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | January 9, 2010 11:26 AM | Report abuse

"and the team IS rebuilding, make no mistake. Gil is dunzo in DC, and the team's best player is 34. Funny how the Gil-haters crow over a win last night...but dont want to ever give Jamison his due.

Posted by: divi3 | January 9, 2010 11:22 AM | Report abuse "

His due?

I give MeTawn his due.

Win or lose, MeTawn will get his stats.

MeTawn, if he had any credibility, should be paying for all four fines to NY, JaTravel, Foye, and AB.

MeTawn is the captain and senior on this team. He should be having the team in check, but he's just an emperor with no clothes.

He wants his stats and his money. That's it.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | January 9, 2010 11:27 AM | Report abuse

Ask yourself, would EG trade Gilby for DWade or CP right about now, for the same price?

Posted by: DC_MAN8

By RuPaul I means Bosh, who is also an FA this year.

If Gil was voided, yes EG would pay DWade the same $$$, but hopefully not for Bosh

Posted by: divi3 | January 9, 2010 11:27 AM | Report abuse

"People like you kill me. You take one small thing and twist and extrapolate it into that no one ever said...He was the difference between what happened against Cleveland and what happened at VC as far as offensive flow."

I wasnt speaking towards you directly, just toward the general board sentiment that Miller "needs to be re-signed" and talk for weeks that he was the difference for the team.

And no, he is not the difference between the Cavs and Magic game. The difference was in Brenda in those 2 games. Bending over and taking it from Shaq like he always does, and then taking it to DHoward like he always does.

I've said from the day we signed him that Miller was great addition, and it's shame we didnt get to see more of him with Gil- though I guess that would have made what happened seem even worse if we'd had a better record.

Posted by: divi3 | January 9, 2010 11:34 AM | Report abuse

btw, Gil had what 15 assists against Philly? Is that a ball hog?

not that it matters now of course

Posted by: divi3 | January 9, 2010 11:35 AM | Report abuse

"btw, Gil had what 15 assists against Philly? Is that a ball hog?

not that it matters now of course

Posted by: divi3 | January 9, 2010 11:35 AM | Report abuse "

You sure are one short sighted person.

In the grand scheme of Gilby's career, he's a shoot first ball hog.

Did he have a game in Philly where he got 15 assists?

Sure he did.

Does that erase his career, defined as being a ball hog.

Of course not.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | January 9, 2010 11:48 AM | Report abuse

They are not better without Gil and the Wizards will find that out the hard way,

Posted by: dargregmag | January 9, 2010 9:49 AM | Report abuse


What does it matter?

They were no good WITH Gil. They were knocking on the door of last place WITH Gil.

Is a D+ really all that better than a D- ??

The issue is that Gil's contract has hamstrung the team.

The solution for the Wiz is not simply to rid themselves of Gilbert Arenas on the court; it is to rid themselves of Gil's contract on their books.

Then they'll be in position to really build a contender, find a team centerpiece worth building around, and give a max-contract to someone truly worthy of it.

Posted by: p1funk | January 9, 2010 11:50 AM | Report abuse

"By RuPaul I means Bosh, who is also an FA this year.

If Gil was voided, yes EG would pay DWade the same $$$, but hopefully not for Bosh

Posted by: divi3 | January 9, 2010 11:27 AM | Report abuse "

Hmm, a 25 year old big man averaging 20-10 who can hit his FT's or a shoot first guard that disrupts the flow of his team, is injury prone, and mentally unstable.

Not a tough decision there.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | January 9, 2010 11:52 AM | Report abuse

"btw, Gil had what 15 assists against Philly? Is that a ball hog?

not that it matters now of course

Posted by: divi3 | January 9, 2010 11:35 AM | Report abuse "

You sure are one short sighted person.


Posted by: DC_MAN88 | January 9, 2010 11:48 AM | Report abuse


In the divi3 universe, the ideal starting 5 is Stephon Marbury, Gilbert Arenas, Latrell Sprewell, Zach Randolph and (for good measure) Terrell Owens.

I mean with all that talent, how could you go wrong?

And anyone who criticizes is just a hater.

Posted by: p1funk | January 9, 2010 11:55 AM | Report abuse

"You sure are one short sighted person.

In the grand scheme of Gilby's career, he's a shoot first ball hog."

DWade took 1700+ shots last season, more than Gil has ever taken in a season. And the Heat werent that good. So what if he has a ring, the Heat arent that good now and he's on pace for 1800 shots or something.

Avoid DWayde the ballhog right? Gil is done, you no longer have to complain about him, time to start hearing about the players you think should be sought after.


Posted by: divi3 | January 9, 2010 11:57 AM | Report abuse

"Then they'll be in position to really build a contender, find a team centerpiece worth building around, and give a max-contract to someone truly worthy of it."

in the p1funk world, TimDuncan's are available yearly and all we have to do is sign one.

Posted by: divi3 | January 9, 2010 12:01 PM | Report abuse

"What is with all this sympathy for a multi-millionaire who moronically brought guns to the work place and thought it was a joke???

Posted by: rphilli721 | January 9, 2010 10:52 AM | Report abuse "

From what I have been reading large numbers of NBA players bring guns to their workplace. They just don't put them on display. Instead they hide them in their gym bags.

Besides, the man should be allowed to carry a gun in a holster on his hip. Anyone without a serious criminal record should be allowed to do that. By forbiding good citizens from carrying guns we are simply painting targets on them for the criminals who are carrying guns, knives, and pipes. We live in this weird emasculated society where defending oneself is a crime. The hell with that!

"from my cold dead hands..."

Posted by: MeviousMan | January 9, 2010 12:02 PM | Report abuse

"DWade took 1700+ shots last season, more than Gil has ever taken in a season. And the Heat werent that good. So what if he has a ring, the Heat arent that good now and he's on pace for 1800 shots or something.

Avoid DWayde the ballhog right? Gil is done, you no longer have to complain about him, time to start hearing about the players you think should be sought after.


Posted by: divi3 | January 9, 2010 11:57 AM | Report abuse "

Did you conveniently forget that DWade is a "SHOOTING" guard?

Not just a shooting guard, but one who has a ring, and one who has been on HEAT teams that dominated Les BouleS.

If Gilby wanted to shoot and won playoff series after series, that would be one thing.

Gilby shoots and shoots and has not won squat.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | January 9, 2010 12:02 PM | Report abuse

"Hmm, a 25 year old big man averaging 20-10 who can hit his FT's or a shoot first guard that disrupts the flow of his team, is injury prone, and mentally unstable."

you missed the question because you are still obsessed with Arenas. There is no "trade Gil for Bosh" scenario.

The question is, would Bosh be worth the available money if Gil's contract is voided?

Posted by: divi3 | January 9, 2010 12:03 PM | Report abuse

"From what I have been reading large numbers of NBA players bring guns to their workplace. They just don't put them on display. Instead they hide them in their gym bags.

Besides, the man should be allowed to carry a gun in a holster on his hip. Anyone without a serious criminal record should be allowed to do that. By forbiding good citizens from carrying guns we are simply painting targets on them for the criminals who are carrying guns, knives, and pipes. We live in this weird emasculated society where defending oneself is a crime. The hell with that!

"from my cold dead hands..."

Posted by: MeviousMan | January 9, 2010 12:02 PM | Report abuse "

Gilby has had a gun charge in his past, so he should have known better.

Lying also is bad, but Gilby is a liar.

Stupid people who lie shouldn't have guns.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | January 9, 2010 12:04 PM | Report abuse

As a Wiz fan I enjoyed the game last night. Keeping it real though the Magic got some problems with chemistry and are not as good as they were last year. Nwo if they win against CP3 on Sunday we might have something.

I still don't understand Flip and his lack of use of 2 talented ball players Young and McGee. Unfortunately I think we've lost them which is a shame. They will probably go somewhere else and be very productive players.

Posted by: rnbrown4 | January 9, 2010 12:04 PM | Report abuse

"Then they'll be in position to really build a contender, find a team centerpiece worth building around, and give a max-contract to someone truly worthy of it."

in the p1funk world, TimDuncan's are available yearly and all we have to do is sign one.

Posted by: divi3 | January 9, 2010 12:01 PM | Report abuse


In the p1funk world, all you have to do is take a look at a calendar and discover when the good FAs are gonna hit the market and plan accordingly.

In the p1funk world, common sense tells you its probably not smart to give a max contract to an undersized combo guard who doesn't play defense and is walking around on crutches and needs a babysitter when he's not on the court.

Over the years, p1funk has witnessed players like Kevin Garnett and Pau Gasol get traded and help deliver championships. Sadly, during that time the Wiz have NEVER been mentioned in even a potential deal like that, and p1funk has had to sit around and watch the home team cross its fingers on Gilbert and Co. for the past 5-6 years.

Posted by: p1funk | January 9, 2010 12:09 PM | Report abuse

"Did you conveniently forget that DWade is a "SHOOTING" guard?
Not just a shooting guard, but one who has a ring, and one who has been on HEAT teams that dominated Les BouleS.

If Gilby wanted to shoot and won playoff series after series, that would be one thing.

Gilby shoots and shoots and has not won squat."

What does Wiz record againts Heat have to do with anything? Why are you bringing up Gil's playoff record?

Wade leads the team in points and assists because no matter what you call him (1 or 2)...he dominates the ball for his team. Always has and always will.

His team arent very good right now, and he's jacking up shots all over the place.

Should Boullez management avoid that type of player?

Posted by: divi3 | January 9, 2010 12:10 PM | Report abuse

Should Boullez management avoid that type of player?

Posted by: divi3 | January 9, 2010 12:10 PM | Report abuse


If Dwayne Wade is simply a stat-padding ball hog, then yes.

But Dwayne Wade is also an excellent defender.

Dwayne Wade has won a Finals MVP, is the clear-cut team/floor leader, and has displayed the character and maturity that you'd want to see in a maxed-out guy that the team is building around.

Posted by: p1funk | January 9, 2010 12:17 PM | Report abuse

The Wizards management is really losing it and compltely out of touch. To fine anyone concerning that photo is wrong but to pick and choose is ridiculous. To fine the players they did without fining Stevenson, Jamison and Oberto is a complete joke as they are as guilty as the others. Either you fine the entire team or no one. Thats really outrageous.

Also to try and get rid of all Arenas merchandise?? What is wrong with those people. Are they out of their minds? They don't get it as much as Arenas.
This team is a joke.

Posted by: dovelevine | January 9, 2010 12:20 PM | Report abuse

The Wizards management is really losing it and compltely out of touch. To fine anyone concerning that photo is wrong but to pick and choose is ridiculous. To fine the players they did without fining Stevenson, Jamison and Oberto is a complete joke as they are as guilty as the others. Either you fine the entire team or no one. Thats really outrageous.

Also to try and get rid of all Arenas merchandise?? What is wrong with those people. Are they out of their minds? They don't get it as much as Arenas.
This team is a joke.

Posted by: dovelevine | January 9, 2010 12:20 PM | Report abuse


The kicker is that Ernie grunfeld said outright that the Wizards are not trying to distance themselves from Gilbert Arenas.

Are you kidding??

That's the kind of crap that makes me seriously dislike Ernie Grunfeld.

Does he think the fans are blind? Does he think he's going to talk away the obvious like we are little children?

Like in the offseason when he was talking about this team being poised to contend for the East...are you serious? Or do you think we are stupid?

Posted by: p1funk | January 9, 2010 12:23 PM | Report abuse

"In the p1funk world, all you have to do is take a look at a calendar and discover when the good FAs are gonna hit the market and plan accordingly."

So, you're hoping we sign Lebron in the offseason? DWade?

and you think Pau is a franchise player?

btw, players like KG dictate where they are traded. Think anybody wants to come here?

Posted by: divi3 | January 9, 2010 12:29 PM | Report abuse

"The Wizards management is really losing it and compltely out of touch. To fine anyone concerning that photo is wrong but to pick and choose is ridiculous. To fine the players they did without fining Stevenson, Jamison and Oberto is a complete joke as they are as guilty as the others. Either you fine the entire team or no one. Thats really outrageous."

I already posted this but, I'll repeat: according to the New York Times, the four who were fined were the only ones who collapsed to the floor, pretending to have been shot.

Posted by: nmik | January 9, 2010 12:29 PM | Report abuse

"The kicker is that Ernie grunfeld said outright that the Wizards are not trying to distance themselves from Gilbert Arenas.

Are you kidding??

That's the kind of crap that makes me seriously dislike Ernie Grunfeld."

hey, we agree on some things!

note the WPost is driving the point home, every headline is an overly dramatic GIL IS GONE FOREVER type thing.

hopefully we can get a few more installments of the Jenkins/Hamilton psycho-analysis of the guy, now that they are apparently paying attention to the team

Posted by: divi3 | January 9, 2010 12:32 PM | Report abuse

"Also to try and get rid of all Arenas merchandise?? What is wrong with those people. Are they out of their minds? They don't get it as much as Arenas.
This team is a joke.

Posted by: dovelevine"

I bet you the team has been assured Gil's contract can be voided and the players union will be onboard. The national media attention from this incident goes way beyond what is or isnt the truth- it strikes to nba's image, and Stern will make an example out of Arenas to "protect" the league.

Dont be surprised if Arenas' deal is voided AND he is suspended all of next season. He could win some money back on appeal (just as Vick did), but by then no one will notice and the message Stern wants delivered will have been heard.

Posted by: divi3 | January 9, 2010 12:37 PM | Report abuse

"I still don't understand Flip and his lack of use of 2 talented ball players Young and McGee."

Mcgee won the card game that started all this, and NY had the most fun of all with the guns blazing.

It would be really stupid to get rid of either of those guys, and if they're traded by the deadline- it will be business as usual for a franchise that never wins anything nor looks like it ever will.

Posted by: divi3 | January 9, 2010 12:41 PM | Report abuse

>>The Wizards management is really losing it and compltely out of touch. To fine anyone concerning that photo is wrong but to pick and choose is ridiculous. To fine the players they did without fining Stevenson, Jamison and Oberto is a complete joke as they are as guilty as the others. Either you fine the entire team or no one. Thats really outrageous."

>>I already posted this but, I'll repeat: according to the New York Times, the four who were fined were the only ones who collapsed to the floor, pretending to have been shot.Posted by: nmik


Completely irrelevant. Either you fine everyone or noone. BTW fining anyone is a joke. Arenas was the leader of the team. That the three youngest players followed his lead is hardly surprising. And to pick and choose and separate is outrageous.
BTW Arenas should pay for everyones fine if hes a man.
And again the Wiz management is really losing their minds.


Posted by: dovelevine | January 9, 2010 12:41 PM | Report abuse

I don't think the team is distancing itself from Gilbert because they don't like him or don't expect that he will return to the team. It only makes sense that while a player is suspended by the league under these circumstances that the team wouldn't continue marketing itself through use of that players image or otherwise make money through sales of merchandise related to that player. If they did, Lawd knows there would be cries from certain posters here and Arenas fans everywhere about how hypocritical the team was for doing so.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | January 9, 2010 12:44 PM | Report abuse

I don't think the team is distancing itself from Gilbert because they don't like him or don't expect that he will return to the team. It only makes sense that while a player is suspended by the league under these circumstances that the team wouldn't continue marketing itself through use of that players image or otherwise make money through sales of merchandise related to that player. If they did, Lawd knows there would be cries from certain posters here and Arenas fans everywhere about how hypocritical the team was for doing so.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | January 9, 2010 12:44 PM | Report abuse


Basically what you are saying is that the team IS distancing itself from Arenas, but that is because of the suspension and unresolved legal controversy.

So why doesn't EG just say that instead of saying "We aren't distancing ourselves from him."

Posted by: p1funk | January 9, 2010 12:52 PM | Report abuse

"The Wizards management is really losing it and compltely out of touch. To fine anyone concerning that photo is wrong but to pick and choose is ridiculous. To fine the players they did without fining Stevenson, Jamison and Oberto is a complete joke as they are as guilty as the others. Either you fine the entire team or no one. Thats really outrageous."

I already posted this but, I'll repeat: according to the New York Times, the four who were fined were the only ones who collapsed to the floor, pretending to have been shot.

Posted by: nmik | January 9, 2010 12:29 PM


THE PROBLEM IS the Wizards did not fine anyone STERN DID get your facts straight LOL

Posted by: rnorris6 | January 9, 2010 12:57 PM | Report abuse

p1funk, you must be a plaintiff's PI lawyer because you seem to have mastered taking others' words and facts and making them mean what you want them to mean. Let me be clear. It is my position that the team is not selling Gilbert merchandise or displaying Gilbert's image because he is not a part of the team right now. Have at twisting that.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | January 9, 2010 1:01 PM | Report abuse

I feel genuinely sorry for the people who believe Brenda is motivated by anything right now other than earning that big paycheck. More power to him, I think we all work a little bit harder when it's time for our annual review. But seriously folks, don't kid yourselves. Brenda has a career's worth of evidence pointing to the fact that he's soft.

He's serviceable, he seems like a bright and decent guy, and I appreciate his goofy sense of humor. But none of that takes him out of the bottom half of centers in the league.

And the "team is better without Gilbert" argument does nothing but prove you don't follow the team closely. We saw the Wizards without Gilbert last year, and it landed us in the lottery. Maybe you're delusional enough to believe that a healthy Brenda gives us twenty more wins (and puts us at 39 and 43), but I don't see it.

Posted by: bryc3 | January 9, 2010 1:02 PM | Report abuse

"and the team IS rebuilding, make no mistake."

If they show improvement the next few weeks, make the playoffs, and void that contract they might not be. We'll see.

The stuff they went through...I would not wish it on anyone. Thanks Gil. How does that "discounted" contract look now?

"I don't think the team is distancing itself from Gilbert because they don't like him or don't expect that he will return to the team."

Everything that I have heard in the news is reporting Gil is done in Washington. It really would be bad for them to continue to market him to make money, but who would buy his stuff anyway?

He's a big fat "zero" right now. The only thing that I hope is that he does not go to jail and gets help. Quirky does not begin to explain him, dude has issues. You'd think they would have known that before giving him all of that cash(note the sarcasm).

Beyond that, I hope he really doesn't return to the Wiz. I think the fans here definately deserve better then what he brings to the table.

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | January 9, 2010 1:04 PM | Report abuse

THE PROBLEM IS the Wizards did not fine anyone STERN DID get your facts straight LOL

Posted by: rnorris6

This is from the NYT, so at least two newspapers reported otherwise:

"In a pregame huddle Tuesday night in Philadelphia, Arenas pantomimed guns with his fingers while teammates smiled and laughed. Four players — Foye, Andray Blatche, JaVale McGee and Nick Young — fell to the floor, pretending they had been shot. The team determined that the stunt had been planned and fined those four players $10,000 each, according to The Washington Post."

Posted by: nmik | January 9, 2010 1:05 PM | Report abuse

"We saw the Wizards without Gilbert last year, and it landed us in the lottery."

That argument holds no water because they made the playoffs the year before without him. Injuries to many Wizards devistated them last year.

The team is better without Gil.

I never liked the word "cancer" but I can't think of a better word then "dummy" right now.

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | January 9, 2010 1:07 PM | Report abuse

Wizards starting over?


The Wizards could try to trade Antawn Jamison.

(NBAE/ Getty Images)
One NBA executive said the Washington Wizards continue to listen to offers for forwards Caron Butler(notes) and Antawn Jamison(notes). The source said that the Cleveland Cavaliers are willing to give up center Zydrunas Ilgauskas(notes), but Washington doesn’t appear interested in that deal. If the Wizards eventually have the opportunity to void Gilbert Arenas’(notes) $111 million contract and Butler and/or Jamison are moved for expiring deals, the Wizards could start from scratch with plenty of cap room in the heralded 2010 free-agent market.

“They should void [Arenas’] contract. That’s the only way he can move forward,” the NBA executive said. “They haven’t won with him to date.”

Posted by: rnorris6 | January 9, 2010 1:27 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: rnorris6 | January 9, 2010 1:31 PM | Report abuse

It would be nice if the Wizards make the playoffs. However, they would be better of wisely selecting a good player with their more than likely lottery pick they will receive from this season. It was great to see the Wizards play with enthusiasm and get the win the other night. Unfortunately, continued enthusiastic play over multiple games is not possible with this team (as well as with the majority of NBA teams). Last night's win was wonderful, but keep it in perspective; the Wizards were fired up, Vince Carter really didn't play, Lewis fouled out, the Magic are slumping, and Brendan Haywood(no disrespect) will not have a next game close to last night's stats. The reality is that the Wizards are a below average team with or without Arenas. The win last night was nice, however, it was an illusion(kind of like the announcement of a sellout crowd, damn there were a lot of empty blue seats for a sellout crowd) of what to expect in the future The Wizards have to methodically without any rash decisions dismantle this team. Too bad(or maybe fortunately) for the current players, but unless changes are made, history will repeat itself with a team that is not elite.

Posted by: Theone9 | January 9, 2010 1:38 PM | Report abuse

There are what, 8 guys on the roster who are FAs or restricted FAs at end of season?

If they are planning on voiding Gil's deal, why feel any pressure to move Jamison and Butler for less than near value? Arenas' money plus letting guys not under contract leave equals a boatload of money to spend over the offseason correct?

Why be hellbent on shipping Butler and Jamison away to the sharks that smell blood in the water?

Jamison for Z? retarded

Posted by: divi3 | January 9, 2010 1:47 PM | Report abuse

Ray said: "but who would buy his stuff anyway?"

Do you read this blog? You probably said no one would buy a "Free Mike Tyson" or "Free Marion Barry" t-shirt.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | January 9, 2010 1:59 PM | Report abuse

"and the team IS rebuilding, make no mistake."

"If they show improvement the next few weeks, make the playoffs, and void that contract they might not be. We'll see."

Making the playoffs might be an emotional feel good story, but it would not be a good thing for the team's long-term future. Making the playoffs a couple years ago w/o Arenas is what fueled the misguided belief that the core of the team was good enough, if healthy, to be a contender. It's not. If they make it to the playoffs without Arenas again and go into the summer thinking that cap space from his voided contract (and I still doubt that happens) will help them land the final piece to the puzzle, they'd just be mining a new vein of fool's gold.

Posted by: kalo_rama | January 9, 2010 2:12 PM | Report abuse

>>THE PROBLEM IS the Wizards did not fine anyone STERN DID get your facts straight Posted by: rnorris6

I've got my facts straight. Wizards--Not Stern-- fined the 4 players in the photo.
And again I'll say waht a weak weak move. Total B S.

Posted by: dovelevine | January 9, 2010 2:12 PM | Report abuse

"From what I have been reading large numbers of NBA players bring guns to their workplace. They just don't put them on display. Instead they hide them in their gym bags."

Yep. Anyone who thinks Arenas is the first player to bring a gun into an NBA locker room is woefully naive.

Posted by: kalo_rama | January 9, 2010 2:16 PM | Report abuse

I've got my facts straight. Wizards--Not Stern-- fined the 4 players in the photo.
And again I'll say waht a weak weak move. Total B S.


Posted by: dovelevine | January 9, 2010
Not BS just fixing a problem in todays NBA and the 4 that were fined WERE FINED for falling down pretending to be shot and that is tottal BS on the players part they got what they deserved

Posted by: rnorris6 | January 9, 2010 2:19 PM | Report abuse

2010 FAs:

Lebron, Dwyane Wade, Chris Bosh, Amare Stoudemire, Paul Pierce, Ray Allen, Tyson Chandler, Manu Ginobili, Richard Jefferson, Joe Johnson, Tracy McGrady, Yao Ming, Dirk Nowitzki and Michael Redd

2011 FAs (assuming they dont resign first): Carmelo Anthony, Pau Gasol, Caron Butler, Tim Duncan, Tony Parker, David West and Tayshaun Prince

Not seeing anyone who is both 1)worth a ton of money and 2)would possibly come here.

Posted by: divi3 | January 9, 2010 2:28 PM | Report abuse

"Not BS just fixing a problem in todays NBA"

what problem is that?

Posted by: divi3 | January 9, 2010 2:29 PM | Report abuse

"That argument holds no water because they made the playoffs the year before without him. Injuries to many Wizards devistated them last year.

"The team is better without Gil."

That argument holds no water because with him they at least made it into the second round once. Without him they've never gotten out of the first round in the two times they made it to the playoffs and got swept one of those times. (The other of those times Arenas played 74 games before getting hurt late in the regular season, so he was largely responsible for them being in position to make the playoffs to begin with.)

How, exactly, is that "better"?

Posted by: kalo_rama | January 9, 2010 2:35 PM | Report abuse

The fine is stupid because it gives people another opportunity to talk about Gil and guns. Management decided to levy the weakest imaginable fine instead of trying to kill the story.

Posted by: djnnnou | January 9, 2010 2:35 PM | Report abuse

Management decided to levy the weakest imaginable fine instead of trying to kill the story.

My guess is that if they didn't move the league front office would have.

"Mr. Stern's Neighborhood" is not a friendly place to visit right now.

Posted by: SteveMG | January 9, 2010 2:53 PM | Report abuse

"The only stat category that really matters is in the win-loss column."Posted by: DC_MAN88

Win-loss is a team stat. When a player goes to negotiate his contract, the stats that get mentioned are the individual ones.

When Dwyane Wade looks to sign with another team, they'll be interested in his stats, not Miami's.

Which is why NBA players get so annoyed when they don't get the ball as much as they think they should.

Posted by: Samson151 | January 9, 2010 3:23 PM | Report abuse

Please stop with all the Gil-is-a-thug comments - that's racist as hell. Gilbert is a boy in a bubble. Look at the entire picture before mislabeling someone a thug simply because they are black and carried a gun. Now there's the news that the only non-Gilbert Wizards to get fined for laughing in Philadelphia are Foye, McGee, Young, and Blatche -- ie, the young guys -- even though in the photo it is superclear that they are ALL laughing. I counted 10 players I could clearly ID who were laughing/smiling. Boykins had his head down and Butler wasn't around, but everyone else, including Jamison, Miller, Oberto, are smiling/laughing. But they only fine the young guys. God forbid they fine Jamison, who is only the biggest image in the photo. The Bullets are handling this worse and worse every day. Their lack of loyalty to Gil is maybe the worst thing I've seen from the team in 30 years of sucking. Gilbert's actions were so minor and maybe do deserve a slap on the wrist, and now he's being treated like the underwear bomber because people are assuming he's a thug simply because he's black. I think the worst part is that this is happening the way it is because of horrible timing. Abe would have been more loyal to Gilbert, despite having changed the name because of Rabin; and Ted Leonis would/will be more loyal as well. But instead we have some headless group of widow/sons who don't know anything, but feel a need to completely overreact out of support for their recently departed. So, they are screwing this team in an effort to "do the right thing for dad's memory." Just chill out, reinstate Gilbert, and maybe we (the real fans) will forgive and forget how horribly the team handled this.

Posted by: Urnesto | January 9, 2010 3:29 PM | Report abuse

maybe we (the real fans) will forgive and forget how horribly the team handled this.

Posted by: Urnesto


Not a chance and it is amazing that you left out of your argument as to why the 3 that got fined panamined being shot when gilbert shot in their direction so take your racesat attitude and shove it where the sun dont shine I am tired of everyone useing the racest crutch

Posted by: rnorris6 | January 9, 2010 3:35 PM | Report abuse

Sorry typho 4 not 3

Posted by: rnorris6 | January 9, 2010 3:37 PM | Report abuse

And 1 other thing A THUG is not BLACK or White it is a ATTITUDE

Posted by: rnorris6 | January 9, 2010 3:40 PM | Report abuse

Look, if that is true - that they're singling out the young guys for that reason - then they should say it. Otherwise, it looks like they are too chicken-S to fine the veterans. I see that someone posted that thought above, but have not seen that reported anywhere. Plus, that's a distinction without a difference used to avoid fining Jamison. Also, it's pure silliness to think that race didn't play a role. If it had been Oberto with the gun, there would not be all this talk about the NBA's image problem.

Posted by: Urnesto | January 9, 2010 3:45 PM | Report abuse

Also, it's pure silliness to think that race didn't play a role. If it had been Oberto with the gun, there would not be all this talk about the NBA's image problem.

Posted by: Urnesto

And you think that if it was Oberto with the gun it would be different well THINK again because the black comunity would of been all over it like flies on a turd LOL

Posted by: rnorris6 | January 9, 2010 3:52 PM | Report abuse

"Please stop with all the Gil-is-a-thug comments - that's racist as hell."

You gotta remember what you're dealing with.

"I'll give you my gun when you take it from my cold, dead hands!"

That is super-patriotic, best of american values, stars and stripes, when it comes from chuck Heston ted nugent or any other nra guy.

Gil having unloaded weapons makes him a thug though.

wonder why...

Posted by: divi3 | January 9, 2010 4:14 PM | Report abuse

Gilby wishes he were a thug.

Gilby is a moron first.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | January 9, 2010 5:30 PM | Report abuse

And you think that if it was Oberto with the gun it would be different well THINK again because the black comunity would of been all over it like flies on a
turd LOL

Here we go with this nonsense.

Posted by: SDMDTSU | January 9, 2010 5:32 PM | Report abuse

@divi3,

WTF is wrong with you? There is no comparison with Gil and D.Wade. How the hell do you think you can take D.Wade's stats and compare them to Gil's?

The only similarity is supposed to be they are both the franchise player. That's where it stops.

D.Wade is a shooting gurard and one of the best defenders in the league. Further, and believe this, he and he alone controls and leads his team. He has all the intangibles that Arenas could only dream of.

D.Wade is a true Super Star. Gil on the floor below D.Wade,Lebron,Kobe,Melo.

But as usual, u don't have a clue..Too Funny

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