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Wizards' morning brew: a blowout loss to the Heat

Well, that went over well. The Washington Wizards fell behind by 17 points after one quarter and never really recovered, falling to the Heat at Verizon Center, 112-88. Gene Wang was on hand (giving Michael Lee a night off) to recap the game for the Post. Here's the game story from the Miami Herald, which focused on the Heat's ability to bounce back from a 39-point loss two nights earlier.

Elsewhere in the Post, former Wizards guard Chris Whitney is featured in the On Love series. Read about how he found marital bliss after a couple of false starts with his now wife.

Truth About It checks in with Mike James, who's having a tough season. Mike Prada of Bullets Forever talks about the Mike Miller effect.

Heat-Wizards highlights courtesy of NBA.com below:

Around the League...

Thirteen games on the slate Friday night, and NBA.com's Daily Zap gets you caught up on all of it:

By Ed Guzman  |  January 23, 2010; 8:55 AM ET
Categories:  Morning brew  | Tags: Washington Wizards; NBA; Gilbert Arenas; Antawn Jamison; Flip Saunders; Miami Heat; Dwyane Wade  
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Comments

I don't see anything wrong with trading Haywood for Miller. If anything that will increase our need for a big guy in the draft and there is a lot of talent in that field this year. Favors, Cousins, Ed Davis, Aldrich. We can really rebuild this team in one draft if we get enough draft picks.

Posted by: ATLredskin | January 23, 2010 9:06 AM | Report abuse

playying sooooooooooooooooo much better without Gil, i don't know how i didn't see it at first.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | January 23, 2010 9:22 AM | Report abuse

"watching aussie open after the loss.....serena is built like a marvel superhero, i swear she's got stronger arms than AB. inexcusable!

Posted by: divi3 | January 23, 2010 9:23 AM | Report abuse "

That's b/c she's really a shim on steroids.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | January 23, 2010 9:33 AM | Report abuse

"BTH is a free agent, anything we get for him is gravy. Plus, he's really not that good and we need an upgrade at the position or at least some potential on the floor.

Arenas' suspension determined as soon as Wednesday. He's already served 10...any guesses on what Stern rules?

Posted by: divi3 | January 23, 2010 9:11 AM | Report abuse "

And how good are Gilby, MeTawn, and Caron when you can't win with your best and highest paid players who happen to be healthy?

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | January 23, 2010 9:34 AM | Report abuse

"I don't see anything wrong with trading Haywood for Miller. If anything that will increase our need for a big guy in the draft and there is a lot of talent in that field this year. Favors, Cousins, Ed Davis, Aldrich. We can really rebuild this team in one draft if we get enough draft picks.

Posted by: ATLredskin | January 23, 2010 9:04 AM | Report abuse "

And how have drafts for big men gone for EG lately?

JaTravel?

OPech?

Peter John Ramos?

How about trades for big men by EG?

Oberto?

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | January 23, 2010 9:35 AM | Report abuse

On a positive note, Earl Boykins really filled up his stat line in this game. In only 24 minutes, he had nine points, five assists, and a steal.

Posted by: PostSubscriber | January 23, 2010 9:36 AM | Report abuse

Couldn't believe my eye's when I read Larry/Clnt.Md. actually giving EJ some props but i won't say it i'm gonna keep my promise,wonder if Gil will be jailed or just gone until next year and anybody think Teddy L. will get the team? I saw a shot of Mrs.Pollin in her suite last night she looks great in lieu of all that's happened anyway this team is really in the dumps and i'm surprised at how poorly Caron is playing think he misses EJ?

Posted by: dargregmag | January 23, 2010 9:39 AM | Report abuse

"I don't see anything wrong with trading Haywood for Miller."

I'm betting the Blazers would. They need a big man, but if they're giving up Miller they're gonna want better than Haywood. And from the Wizards' perspective, why the hell would they trade an expiring contract for a 34 year old PG with two more years at about $7 mill/per? That deal only make sense for a team that's looking to contend in the short-term. That ain't the Wiz.

Posted by: kalo_rama | January 23, 2010 9:47 AM | Report abuse

League to set Arenas ban next week.

NEW YORK -- Gilbert Arenas will know his fate -- at least in terms of how long he'll be suspended from the NBA -- by the end of next week, ESPN.com learned Friday.

Rest of story/link: Arenas Suspension

Posted by: SteveMG | January 23, 2010 9:53 AM | Report abuse

"And how good are Gilby, MeTawn, and Caron when you can't win with your best and highest paid players who happen to be healthy?

Posted by: DC_MAN88"

And that has what to do with re-signing BTH?

Haywood is a bum in disguise as a decent player right now, just waiting to get paid

Posted by: divi3 | January 23, 2010 10:04 AM | Report abuse

Gil will want to void his own contract after watching last night.

Posted by: divi3 | January 23, 2010 10:05 AM | Report abuse

"That's b/c she's really a shim on steroids.

Posted by: DC_MAN88"

nah, just too much woman for you.

Posted by: divi3 | January 23, 2010 10:06 AM | Report abuse

Ok so if we can't improve through the draft then what can we do??? And my plan comes with Grunfield getting fired.

Posted by: ATLredskin | January 23, 2010 10:24 AM | Report abuse

"Truth About It checks in with Mike James, who's having a tough season."

Someone should tell him to just collect that money, sit back, and shoosh. He could have been out of here over the summer but that's what happens when you opt for the cash. He really has nothing to complain about.

"And my plan comes with Grunfield getting fired."

Mine also. If Ted doesn't fire that guy it means nothing when he buys the team.

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | January 23, 2010 10:31 AM | Report abuse

"Gil will want to void his own contract after watching last night."

Lol, I think he already does want that. I think you're going to see a buyout if they can't trade him.

Last night was the first game all year that I did not watch. I already knew what was going to happen. Anytime the Wiz play a team with a bonifide "star" they lose.

Everytime. :(

So much for our "All Stars."

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | January 23, 2010 10:45 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | January 23, 2010 10:51 AM | Report abuse

"On a positive note, Earl Boykins really filled up his stat line in this game. In only 24 minutes, he had nine points, five assists, and a steal.

Posted by: PostSubscriber | January 23, 2010 9:36 AM | Report abuse "

....in a blowout loss.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | January 23, 2010 10:53 AM | Report abuse

""I don't see anything wrong with trading Haywood for Miller. If anything that will increase our need for a big guy in the draft and there is a lot of talent in that field this year. Favors, Cousins, Ed Davis, Aldrich. We can really rebuild this team in one draft if we get enough draft picks.Posted by: ATLredskin"

Whoa there, Nellie, Favors is only 6'9" and 215 and he doesn't turn 19 until this summer. He's not going to play center in the NBA. Cousins has nice inside moves but will probably have to take off twenty pounds or so to stay with the other PFs. The only true centers look to be Aldrich from Kansas and Alabi from Florida State. Alabi will never be more than a shotblocker, and Aldrich has a ways to go offensively.

Ed Davis is way too skinny for the pros. He needs at least one and preferably two more years at Carolina.

The strength of this coming draft is in the guards and wing players.

Posted by: Samson151 | January 23, 2010 10:53 AM | Report abuse

"And that has what to do with re-signing BTH?

Haywood is a bum in disguise as a decent player right now, just waiting to get paid

Posted by: divi3 | January 23, 2010 10:04 AM | Report abuse "

The point that you're missing is that they are all bums.....and Gilby is the biggest bum who "waited to get paid."

Money well spent all around.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | January 23, 2010 10:54 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | January 23, 2010 11:02 AM | Report abuse

"....in a blowout loss.Posted by: DC_MAN88"

When the game's a blowout, all the stats are affected, winners as well as losers. It's comparable to football when one team builds a lead and the other is forced to play catch-up.

From Boykins' perspective, he and the other reserves got more time on the court, that's the main difference (McGee excepted). He's been playing well for a little while now, regardless of the circumstances.

Posted by: Samson151 | January 23, 2010 11:02 AM | Report abuse

That's b/c she's really a shim on steroids.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 |

Okay, I get it now. It's official.

Posted by: gmac78 | January 23, 2010 11:04 AM | Report abuse

Disagree Sampson, the guards were last year. The upside for the big men in this years draft is to good to pass up. Even if some of them are power forwards. We need those too. Atlredkin failed to mention people like Larry Sanders or Pat Patterson(strong and can shoot a little bit)

If it takes a little time for them to develop, we suck already so whats the difference. We will have to stop trying to skip the development stage.

Posted by: gmac78 | January 23, 2010 11:11 AM | Report abuse

Couple other possible centers from this draft, though both will probably be backups: Jerome Jordan from Tulsa and Andrew Ogilvy of Vanderbilt. Jordan is a big stationary defender with a pterodactyl wingspan and the curse of clumsy feet. He's also 23, so upside may be limited. Ogilvy's two years younger and has a very fundamentally sound back to the basket game but an uncertain jumper and little lateral quickness (which means people drive past him to the basket).

Posted by: Samson151 | January 23, 2010 11:12 AM | Report abuse

how bout monroe from g town?

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | January 23, 2010 11:19 AM | Report abuse

"Disagree Sampson, the guards were last year. The upside for the big men in this years draft is to good to pass up. Even if some of them are power forwards. We need those too. Atlredkin failed to mention people like Larry Sanders or Pat Patterson(strong and can shoot a little bit).If it takes a little time for them to develop, we suck already so whats the difference. We will have to stop trying to skip the development stage.Posted by: gmac78"

Um, Larry Sanders is 205 pounds, and he's already 21. Patterson is probably not 6'8", and he weighs in at around 220.

DaJuan Blair they ain't.

Seems to me the Wiz haven't been guilty of skipping the development stage at all. They've been drafting talented kids and waiting, and waiting, and waiting for them to earn court time (something folks around here think they should be given by virtue of their youth).

Posted by: Samson151 | January 23, 2010 11:22 AM | Report abuse

If Leonsis buys the team, he and his co-investors will have a lot of debt to service so he'll be motivated to get rid of big salaries, not retain BH with a large contract, and build through the draft and inexpensive free agent pick-ups. He'll probably figure he could put an equally good, if not better team, on the floor a lot less expensively. Is Grunfeld a part of that? Possible, but not likely.

Posted by: jweber1 | January 23, 2010 11:23 AM | Report abuse

The point that you're missing is that they are all bums.....and Gilby is the biggest bum who "waited to get paid."

Money well spent all around.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | January 23, 2010 10:54 AM | Report abuse

Gilby earned every penney that the organization thought he deserved. it's almost a moot point, to continue arguing your value percieved value of Gil vs. the actual monetary value established by the team. Gil worked himself into becoming an all star, brought respectability back to the wiz, and gave back to the city with the same spirit and zeal that the owner did. it wasn't until Gil got injured that you would even think to call him a bum. When he was suspended he was putting up all star numbers after being away from the game for 2 yrs. you can call gil a lot of things, but as far as basketball goes, bum isn't one of them.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | January 23, 2010 11:24 AM | Report abuse

The knock on Monroe is passivity. He's been portrayed as a soft player. That seems less apparent this season than last. But despite his improved defensive rebounding, he benefits a lot from those tough guys playing next to him. At this point, he seems more like a skill player than a physical presence.

Posted by: Samson151 | January 23, 2010 11:27 AM | Report abuse

Almost forgot Dexter Pittman. He's an NBA center, I suppose, mainly due to his bulk rather than his height. Dexter's a late bloomer who teams will probably draft later because he's fat. A lot less fat than last year, but teams have gone broke betting on fat big men, and that's partly why guys like Glenn Davis fall into the second round.

Posted by: Samson151 | January 23, 2010 11:32 AM | Report abuse

Seems to me the Wiz haven't been guilty of skipping the development stage at all. They've been drafting talented kids and waiting, and waiting, and waiting for them to earn court time (something folks around here think they should be given by virtue of their youth).

Posted by: Samson151 | January 23, 2010 11:22 AM | Report abuse
i think it's more by virtue of their draft status and the team's financial commitment to them that makes people;myself included,yearn to see these players on the court. I mean, you draft guys in the top of the first round and you expect to hit at some point. look at the drafts Jeffries,Dixon,Blake,Hayes,Pech,Vermeeko,McGuire,Young,McGee etc. you draft these guys and you think a couple of these guys have to be NBA ready. We draft projects and then don't have the patience for them. People want to see these people play because we see other teams draft guys like evans who avgs 21 his rookies yr,or durant who blossoms into a top 5 scorer by his 3rd year, or last yrs rookie of the yr derek rose. But they are smart enough to realize that they aren't that good to begin with, hence the high picks every year.These teams know that their draft picks actually wil dictate their future. that's why even before evans Sac gave Thompson (1st rounder from the yr before) a lot of run, same thing in OKC. While Durant's rise has been meteoric, Jeff Green(a no5 overall pick) hasn't become the same player some envisioned when he left gtwon. OKC however knows this guy is a part of their future so they were patient with his development. So now, while he isn't burning up the league,green is able to play well alongside Durant and the rest of his teamates because of their familiarity. Chicago, even under Skiles, gave a lot of run to Thomas and Noah while they were young and unpolished. Both of those guys could make a big difference on tha wiz, but can't you just see a wiz coach, any wiz coach nailing Noah to the bench a la McGee.
There's been this sentiment for the past 4 yrs that this team is in need of veterans to lead them to a championship, one of the reasons for the draft day trade. The only issue is now that you've loaded your roster with vets and expiring FAs, how do you reasonably move forward after this season without adding a lot of young players (either draft picks or reasonably young guys whose rookid deals expired) because i think this old a$$ed team need new blood.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | January 23, 2010 11:41 AM | Report abuse

Monroe could be okay, but I want the Wiz to go for muscle.

Posted by: gmac78 | January 23, 2010 11:42 AM | Report abuse

well put lilhollywood;

Sampson, I know you probably like the old school approach and if the team doesn't play them then it's obviously that they are effing up. But with salary cap and roster limitations, who else is supposed to contribute? When are the vets going to get it done? What about the hipocracy of mistakes leading to being doghoused and sent to the bench? I saw no boxing out and a lot of watching from eveybody last night. (Mainly Jamison)

So thats why I say they expect their players to be all stars right away.

Posted by: gmac78 | January 23, 2010 11:58 AM | Report abuse

Lilhollywood10,

Developing your young hasn't been a characteristic of this Team. Development period seems to be taboo even with the veterans.

This Team hired the wrong coach in Flip Saunders. For even if you looked at the roster with everybody coming back and the inexperience we had, player development was a must for success.

Flip Saunders hasn't developed anything, young, old, or experienced. So far with his system, he has done a terrible job.

All those instances you site of young players coming in and teams including them in their gameplans and allowing them gametime development has been eschewed by the Wizards.

Development on and off the floor must become a primary staple and Flip Saunders hasn't proven yet that he is the man for the job.

Ernie and Flip haven't figured out how to make DEVELOPMENT a win now characteristic.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | January 23, 2010 12:18 PM | Report abuse

"The only true centers look to be Aldrich from Kansas and Alabi from Florida State."

"True centers" are a dying breed in the NBA, at least offensively. How many of them are there under 30?

"The knock on Monroe is passivity. He's been portrayed as a soft player. That seems less apparent this season than last. But despite his improved defensive rebounding, he benefits a lot from those tough guys playing next to him. At this point, he seems more like a skill player than a physical presence."

Nothing wrong with skill players. More and more that's what the big men in the NBA are becoming. Big physical bruisers are becoming extinct. And there's a difference between passivity and unassertiveness. Monroe isn't a dominant offensive player because he doesn't seem particularly obsessed with scoring. But he asserts himself on the court by playing an all-around game. But he certainly has high-level offensive talent. He reminds me of Chris Webber, but with better interior footwork and low post scoring skills.

Anyway, Monroe is most likely a PF in the NBA anyhow.

Posted by: kalo_rama | January 23, 2010 12:20 PM | Report abuse

monroe was killin rutgers while i was in the house on my lunch break. he's definitely a jamison-esque finesse 4(with much stronger moves than AJ, no flippy no look shots). But he's a real presence on defense and i'd say the other guys benefit from his toughness more than he does theirs (with the exception of Vaughn who transferred in and handles biz down low).

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | January 23, 2010 2:06 PM | Report abuse

"i think it's more by virtue of their draft status and the team's financial commitment to them that makes people;myself included,yearn to see these players on the court."

You mean because they were first rounders? That's no magic formula for success. IMO, playing an athlete because you drafted him high and paid him big $$ is the road to hell. Play the guys according to merit, and let the others sit.

To the question of how somebody will develop unless they play: the big flaw in the NBA model is developing players during the regular season. It's difficult if not impossible. OKC played young guys because they had no expectations of championships anyway. The Wiz sincerely believed this would be their year. They were wrong, of course. But that's what motivated their decisions.

Washington traded the fifth pick because they already had a bunch of young underachievers and figured they didn't need another. Young, Pecherov, and McGee are all talented guys of the sort you get with picks 16-18 -- developmental types. You know going in you'll probably need three or four seasons to see much return, if at all.

At the time of the '09 draft, Harden and Evans looked like they'd be gone by pick 5 and Washington would be stuck with the likes of Rubio, Jonny Flynn, or Jordan Hill. Nice players all, but are they much more talented than what the Wiz already had sitting on their bench? And they'd be a lot more expensive.

You probably read John Lucas' account of getting pressure from management in Cleveland to sit the vets and play youngsters. He figured it was because the team wanted the best shot at LeBron. Who knows what motivated them, but look who's playing for Cleveland, right?

Posted by: Samson151 | January 23, 2010 3:54 PM | Report abuse

"i think it's more by virtue of their draft status and the team's financial commitment to them that makes people;myself included,yearn to see these players on the court."

You mean because they were first rounders? That's no magic formula for success. IMO, playing an athlete because you drafted him high and paid him big $$ is the road to hell. Play the guys according to merit, and let the others sit.

To the question of how somebody will develop unless they play: the big flaw in the NBA model is developing players during the regular season. It's difficult if not impossible. OKC played young guys because they had no expectations of championships anyway. The Wiz sincerely believed this would be their year. They were wrong, of course. But that's what motivated their decisions.

Washington traded the fifth pick because they already had a bunch of young underachievers and figured they didn't need another. Young, Pecherov, and McGee are all talented guys of the sort you get with picks 16-18 -- developmental types. You know going in you'll probably need three or four seasons to see much return, if at all.

At the time of the '09 draft, Harden and Evans looked like they'd be gone by pick 5 and Washington would be stuck with the likes of Rubio, Jonny Flynn, or Jordan Hill. Nice players all, but are they much more talented than what the Wiz already had sitting on their bench? And they'd be a lot more expensive.

You probably read John Lucas' account of getting pressure from management in Cleveland to sit the vets and play youngsters. He figured it was because the team wanted the best shot at LeBron. Who knows what motivated them, but look who's playing for Cleveland, right?

Posted by: Samson151 | January 23, 2010 3:56 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Samson151 | January 23, 2010 3:56 PM | Report abuse

I didn't say it was a recipe for success. I said that the team drafts players every year and finds a way to turn guys who were on a lot of boards as "first round talents" and "NBA Ready" into bench warmers. We don't start any players we've drafted. Think on that we haven't been able to draft a guy who takes a job and keeps it. Now it's on scouting or development. Do we crap out every year in the crap shoot? All i know is that the current model of Big 3/ veteran ballhas gotten the city of washington and its basketball fans nothing. A few trips to the playoffs and a bunch of individual accolades sum up the Big 3 era in DC. We as fans have just suffered through a 19 win season and i think we're on a pace for something like 25 this year.How long are you going to hold onto the "Old Guard"?
You said that my yearning to see our draft picks play is not the recipe for success,and but what, over the past 3 years, have you seen from this team that looks successful? The model you endorse is failing before your eyes as it has failed for some time now.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | January 23, 2010 4:29 PM | Report abuse

"playing an athlete because you drafted him high and paid him big $$ is the road to hell. Play the guys according to merit, and let the others sit."

If our rotations were purely merit based, we'd see more of Mcgee and Young.

At some point you have to know what you have. What better time than a 19win season followed by something only slightly better? It will be a mortal sin if we end out this year with no better idea of how Mcgee would fare as the starter, or if NY can be consistent if you give him a longer leash.

Gotta see what we got!

Posted by: divi3 | January 23, 2010 4:36 PM | Report abuse

At the time of the '09 draft, Harden and Evans looked like they'd be gone by pick 5 and Washington would be stuck with the likes of Rubio, Jonny Flynn, or Jordan Hill. Nice players all, but are they much more talented than what the Wiz already had sitting on their bench? And they'd be a lot more expensive.

You probably read John Lucas' account of getting pressure from management in Cleveland to sit the vets and play youngsters. He figured it was because the team wanted the best shot at LeBron. Who knows what motivated them, but look who's playing for Cleveland, right?

Posted by: Samson151 | January 23, 2010 3:56 PM | Report abuse

are you asking me if Jordan Hill,Johnny Flynn, or Ricky Rubio are much more talented than the guys we brough on this year rather than draft at those positions? Let's see Hill is a PF/C i think he is much more talented than the veteran PF/C that we brought in(OLDberto).
Flynn and RR are both PGs. I think that Johnny Flynn and possibly even Rubio are much more talented than Earl Boykins.

That's what we brought in rather than draft in these positions of need (don't say they weren't positions of need, otherwise why would we have those two used bandaids).

BTW cleveland coulda won every game short of the title that year, it wouldn't have mattered. The fix was on, there was no was Tha Kang was leavin Ohio. Stern put the call in. Donaghey called the oddsmakers.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | January 23, 2010 4:37 PM | Report abuse

Gotta see what we got!

Posted by: divi3 | January 23, 2010 4:36 PM | Report abuse
not when you know what you're getting. Tha wiz wanted a backup canter and rather than let JM "play himself into the position". They went on to pay OLDberto 2 mil a year for his career 2pt 2 reb avg. We were even too good for the reigning Big East player of the year. I can't even hear the Blair haters roght now. For a second rounder, he could go down with a season ender right now and the spurs woulda got their money's worth out of him. This team's disdain for youth is inexcuseable. And the organization pawns it off on guys work habits, home training,maturity. i thought we were about accountability. let's start admitting that we have a poor scouting system. We don't do our due diligence when it comes to evaluating players. Rondo stared as a rookie and was a key cog in BOS championship run . we passed on him i think. I have never heard Rondo described with any of the adjectives used to describe our young guys.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | January 23, 2010 4:43 PM | Report abuse

" let's start admitting that we have a poor scouting system. We don't do our due diligence when it comes to evaluating players. Rondo stared as a rookie and was a key cog in BOS championship run . we passed on him i think. I have never heard Rondo described with any of the adjectives used to describe our young guys.Posted by: lilhollywood10"

Lots of clubs passed on Rondo -- including the Celtics.

That was the year Boston had the sixth pick and chose -- here it comes -- Rande Foye. Who they turned around and traded to Minnesota, the club that was simultaneously swapping Brandon Roy to the Blazers. You know who actually drafted Rondo? Phoenix, in the 21st slot.

That was a crazy year. Chicago picked LaMarcus Aldridge number 2 and traded him to Portland for Tyrus Thomas -- bet they regret that, huh? Seven teams passed on Rudy Gay, too. And Adam Morrison went third.

Rondo turned out a lot better than anybody thought, but he wasn't a full-time starter as a rook. That came in his second season, and coincided with the team's switch to the dribble drive motion offense, for which he's well suited. He'd be a fine defender anywhere.

It's a common error to point to some player your team failed to draft as evidence of incompetence, when in fact they simply made their decision based on a consensus opinion at the time, and it was the consensus that was later proved incorrect. If McGee turns out to be the great center that many people here think he will be, it won't be evidence that Ernie Grunfeld is a genius for having gotten him with the 18th pick.

If we're going to hold the club accountable for its scouting, we have to hold ourselves accountable for our illogical opinions.

Posted by: Samson151 | January 23, 2010 6:17 PM | Report abuse

"are you asking me if Jordan Hill,Johnny Flynn, or Ricky Rubio are much more talented than the guys we brough on this year rather than draft at those positions? Let's see Hill is a PF/C i think he is much more talented than the veteran PF/C that we brought in(OLDberto)."

Of course I'm not saying that. I'm saying that the Wiz had (at the time of the draft) a surplus of young, underachieving players, including Young, Pecherov, and McGee. The trade moved one of them. It also moved two 31 year olds (one with a heart condition) in exchange for a 26 and a 29 year old. I'm sure they would have preferred to move Stevenson but Minnesota wouldn't go for it.

Oberto wasn't signed to be a promising young developmental player like a Jordan Hill or a Jonny Flynn -- he was signed as a one year backup center on a team they hoped would be a lot better than it turned out to be.

Posted by: Samson151 | January 23, 2010 6:37 PM | Report abuse

"I can't even hear the Blair haters roght now. For a second rounder, he could go down with a season ender right now and the spurs woulda got their money's worth out of him. This team's disdain for youth is inexcuseable."

Blair is making $850K. He's averaging 18 minutes, 7 points, and 6.5 rebounds. He also averages 0.6 blocks, 1.3 turnovers, and 2.55 fouls. He's actually on a first-round type contract, so if he went down tomorrow, as you suggest, the Spurs would definitely not have "got their money's worth out of him."


Posted by: Samson151 | January 23, 2010 6:50 PM | Report abuse

yeap and it also helps if your franchise player hold those young players accountable and insists on a professional no nonsense approach. But this is what we got. A bunch of clowns lead by BOZO.

Posted by: kevenjones | January 23, 2010 9:03 PM | Report abuse

Jeffries,Dixon,Blake,Hayes,Pech,Vermeeko,McGuire,Young,McGee etc. you draft these guys and you think a couple of these guys have to be NBA ready.

First, EG did not draft all these players. Second, EG's picks in the draft have been late first rounders or second rounders with the exception of this year when he parlayed the 5th pick into Foye and Miller both of whom have been more productive than the pick would have been this season. Unfortunately, all the shenanigans going on with the team has derailed another season. Most of it not foreseeable. I guess EG should have foreseen the death of the owner, MM living on the IR, Foye going down to begin the season along with AJ (thus prompting the emergency contract for the largely ineffectual Boykins) to go along with personality conflicts on the court with a previously tight knit team.

Simply put, when you are drafting past the middle of the first round the draft becomes even more of a crap shoot than it already is. That's why we have so much young talent that still needs more development. It wasn't that long ago that JM was being praised as perhaps the steal of his draft and AB with his unfulfilled promise is still one of the best if not the best second round pick of his draft. Time will tell, but if you expect to build a solid playoff team or contender picking in those spots you are high on something good.

And, DCMANN, you are never going to find a sure fire big man in those spots either. No way! No how! Are you crazy? Even the mediocre ones with major holes in their game are gone in the lottery if they can chew gum and walk at the same time.

I'll remind you that Ted kept George McPhee when he become owner bc he was a well respected hockey man. EG is the same. If you wish him to be fired, be careful of what you wish. There is most likely not an automatic upgrade available as was the case with EJ. If that person exists and is willing to come to DC to build a team, then so be it. I just don't think there is, but I am not a ultra NBA geek who knows the NBA GM pool.

Posted by: rphilli721 | January 24, 2010 1:58 AM | Report abuse

"If we're going to hold the club accountable for its scouting, we have to hold ourselves accountable for our illogical opinions."

Well said. Nice posts! Logic is not a strong point of a lot of fans, which we all know is short for fanatic.

Posted by: rphilli721 | January 24, 2010 2:04 AM | Report abuse

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