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Wizards' morning brew: Arenas's impact

Michael Lee wrote in today's newspaper about how Gilbert Arenas's return to the court this season has affected the team, and Arenas spoke about how challenging this time has been. Arenas and Javaris Crittenton will talk to the U.S. attorney's office today about the circumstances under which guns were brought to Verizon Center.

In Wizards Insider, Lee reports on Flip Saunders's reaction to a story on Yahoo!Sports that said there is a rift between Arenas and Saunders.

On his new blog, Mike Jones says a bad breakup seem likely.

Bullets Forever's Mike Prada says the Wizards should part ways with Arenas, but he doesn't deserve character assassination.

Truth About It looks back at Saturday's loss to San Antonio. And Truth About It's Kyle Weidie wrote about Caron Butler for ESPN.com's Daily Dime.

The Wizards play at Philadelphia on Tuesday.

Around the League ...
There were five games on the schedule last night. Among the highlights: The Wizards' next opponent, the 76ers, beat the Nuggets -- who were missing Carmello Anthony and Chauncey Billups; the Cavaliers lost to the Bobcats; and the Lakers demolished the Mavericks.

Those games and more can be sampled in NBA.com's Daily Zap, below:


By Alexa Steele  |  January 4, 2010; 10:36 AM ET
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Comments

With a decent new plan on paper and the belief Abe had wanted the Big3 to remain, EG may very well look like a great pick to keep onboard.

Posted by: divi3 | January 4, 2010 9:18 AM | Report abuse

Why?

This is the team Ernie built he picked the players and even if Abe said keep them together why do you think he can fix what he broke?

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | January 4, 2010 10:56 AM | Report abuse

If you don't know by know that the NBA isn't run like the real world,


Posted by: kalo_rama | January 4, 2010 10:14 AM | Report abuse

Kal,

Sure it is here in the good old USA money talks...

http://www.amazon.com/Bronze-Finish-Justice-Statue-Themis/dp/B000NHWR9M

The lady isn't blind she wears a blindfold because she doesn't care who is in front of her all she cares about is the amount of money you are putting on the scales.

If you have enough cash you can tip the scale in your favor and get community service for whatever crime you commit like a lot of celebrities.

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | January 4, 2010 11:03 AM | Report abuse

Whatever.

Posted by: kalo_rama | January 4, 2010 11:06 AM | Report abuse

Once again I ask, how come I gotta get all my Wiz news from the New York Post??!! Where the freak are the Washington Post Wiz beat writers? Learned today from the NY Post that McGee is now involved in this whole Arenas mess. Hey Michael Lee, do you have any sources or any original facts or news to report?

Posted by: dovelevine | January 4, 2010 11:23 AM | Report abuse

Maybe it has something to do with the Washington Post's unwillingness to report unconfirmed rumor or spin as "facts" or "news." Apparently the only thing the McGee was "involved" in was the card game on the plane that supposedly started the whole thing. There hasn't been any indication he was involved in (or even present for) the gun incident.

Posted by: kalo_rama | January 4, 2010 11:27 AM | Report abuse

Wilbon is correct. Blow this team up and get players who can play offense AND defense. This is not a Saunders problem. His track record proves it. Keep Foye, Miller, Haywood, McGee, and possibly Young. Everybody else must go. Let's get some good picks and hope for next season.

Posted by: fearturtle44 | January 4, 2010 11:28 AM | Report abuse

dovelevene,

Are you just referring to the money owed in reference to McGee or is there something else. The links being regularly posted here indicated before today that McGee was the one that was actually owed the winnings that Arenas bailed on.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | January 4, 2010 11:32 AM | Report abuse

>>the only thing the McGee was "involved" in was the card game on the plane that supposedly started the whole thing.

Only?? It started the whole thing like you said. Seems pretty inportant along with the fact that it was for $60,000. Again seems like pretty important info.
Just sayin.

Posted by: dovelevine | January 4, 2010 11:35 AM | Report abuse

You guys can talk about all that sfuff all you want but Im not there yet. I still think we can go on a massive run. I dont feel like we are losing because we suck. I feel like we are losing because we are a little off. Like its right there but we cant find it. Were in the area but we cant hit the mark and thats with both the players & coaches. I feel like the mark is getting closer though and we are about to find it and take off big time. What sucks though is that we might get going finally and then we end up losing Gil for some time. I just dont agree with all the break it up talk, trade everyone, the season is over stuff. I dont agree that you can say that yet. Ive seen average teams like the Bulls completely turn a season around and win alot of games. You guys dont think we can do that and even at a higher level? Im not even being a homer. I just really see it and believe it

Posted by: dlts20 | January 4, 2010 11:36 AM | Report abuse

>>I feel like we are losing because we are a little off.

Sorry teams that are 10-21 are not a "little off". They are simply 10-21 teams. The Wizards are not going on an 11-0 run any time soon. They are what they are and are very consistent about it. Almost in a groundhog day kind of way. That much you can say.

Posted by: dovelevine | January 4, 2010 11:41 AM | Report abuse

You guys dont think we can do that and even at a higher level?

Posted by: dlts20 | January 4, 2010 11:36 AM | Report abuse

dlts20

They couldn't do it when they were younger, so the answer for me is "NO".

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | January 4, 2010 11:42 AM | Report abuse

The fact that it's not in TWP does not mean that Mr. Lee is not aware of what happened or is getting beat. He so much as hinted at it in a prior post. He can only write about things he can confirm not rumor. The Post has higher standards than the media outlets that are "out in front" of this story. A lot of what's been reported is inaccurate.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | January 4, 2010 11:54 AM | Report abuse

@dlts20,

I would be inclined to agree with you, but putting the Gilbert thing aside, though we can't, I am loosing faith quickly on Flip's part in turning this thing around.

Flip's appears to be capable of bringing the coaching knowledge that the Team needs but his decisions so far are suspect.

I really believe we must play our big lineup more along with McGee and in critical points in the game like the 4th Q'.

Somehow though, it appears that Flip is unwilling to try this approach seriously. This team everyone agrees must be overall tougher defensively.

However, I only see that happening by playing our bigs more together. And sure we might as folks like to point out don't have the best bigs in the League, but I think if we played them more together it would make our team better in the paint, where it counts the most.

LarryInClinonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | January 4, 2010 11:56 AM | Report abuse

Mike Miller's absence has hurt the team more than anything else that has happened. When he's back the worm will turn until Gil has to sit for about 20-25 games. If Stephen Jackson only got 7 games for firing a gun, Gil's penalty should be about 3x that for bringing unloaded guns in the lockerroom for the "safety of his children."

Posted by: learnedhand1 | January 4, 2010 12:05 PM | Report abuse

Flip Saunders is full of it! He made such a big point about change and what did he do? He won't step on the toes of Butler, Jamison, Zero or Haywood, so he replaces another fifth guy with another fifth guy. What a weak worm.
Saunders has no stones when it comes to this team and makes absofreakinlutely no adjustments. Every game is a carbon copy of the previous one.

Posted by: dovelevine | January 4, 2010 12:09 PM | Report abuse

It appears to be that the peak Big3 years was lost with the injuries to Gil and Haywood. Now, as they try to get Gil back to his near peak-level, others will soon decline(Jamison) and Caron is at his peak as the game is getting more athletic and he can be exposed as a tweener. Can they turn it around this year? Yes, but it may not be enough to make the playoffs because they still have to play the better teams and win a lot of those games.

It is time to cut bait. Get what you can for Caron and Jamison. You may have to keep Gil. Young and JaVale are athletic, but they can't play. JaVale is far from a finished product. Young is a scorer but his confidence fluctuates too much and he contributes nothing else. Blatche, trade him too becuase he is a bigger version of Jamison, but less offensive consistency and rebounding, but more defense. They need a banger. Haywood can be replaced too.

I'd keep Gil because he is the closest thing to a superstar on the team, the closest since the 70's. Until we get a superstar, we need Gil.

Posted by: G-Man11 | January 4, 2010 12:10 PM | Report abuse

"If Stephen Jackson only got 7 games for firing a gun, Gil's penalty should be about 3x that for bringing unloaded guns in the lockerroom for the "safety of his children."

Arenas should get three times the penalty that Jackson got, even though Jackson actually fired his gun (which Arenas didn't) in a public place filled with people and endangering lives?

That makes absolutely no sense.

Posted by: kalo_rama | January 4, 2010 12:15 PM | Report abuse

The character assasination of Gil needs to stop. What off the court trouble has Gil gotten into since he signed here? What he has allegedly done was just a dumb practical joke but to even be considering trading him like this is ridiculous especially when Flip has stated he has done everything the right way. Gil put in the time with Grover to get back onthe court when the Wiz trainvers could not get him back. To lump Gil in with others who have done way worse things is uncalled for and shows a lack of knowledge and respect for all of the good things he does in the community. If the Wiz were winning, no one would care of his goofy antics. It's funny that Dwight Howard is just as goofy and doesn't seem to take the game serious sometimes but since he has a much better team, no one mentions his antics. Gil is on his way to his best all around year and yet we have people out here that no nothing about basketball weighing in on something they know nothing about. I am a season ticket holder and I would love for him to grow up but do I want to see them trade him (for nothing) and have him grow up somewhere else like they did Chris Webber (aging Mitch Richmond).

Posted by: ptp23 | January 4, 2010 12:17 PM | Report abuse

"And sure we might as folks like to point out don't have the best bigs in the League, but I think if we played them more together it would make our team better in the paint, where it counts the most."

It would if any of our bigs were any good in the post. But they aren't. Blatche is a jumpshooter on offense and a ghost on defense. Haywood's a nightmare (for his own team) on offense. He's fairly decent at defending big, slow back to the basket Cs. Too bad there are so few of those left. McGee is like a 7 foot tall 8- year-old with ADD and a crack habit, running around wildly, flailing and hissing, but only occasionally actually doing anything.

Which is not to say they shouldn't play McGee or Blatche more. What do they have to lose at this point, really? But there's zero evidence to suggest it'll result in more victories.

Posted by: kalo_rama | January 4, 2010 12:22 PM | Report abuse

Trade Jamison, Young and or Foye. Bring in Amare...David West..someone thats not about self (Young/Foye...both put self before the team)or that plays soft and settles for the outside shot (Jamison, good on the floor leader but needs to man up).

Posted by: Gooddad | January 4, 2010 12:33 PM | Report abuse

That makes absolutely no sense.

Posted by: kalo_rama | January 4, 2010 12:15 PM

David Stern gave a guy 7 games for a gun charge arising out of private conduct after he had been assaulted. Arenas brings multiple guns into an NBA facility (the workplace) which violates both the law and a league rule specific to the conduct and lays them out for display to taunt a teammate with whom he's had a heated verbal altercation. Regardless of what he intended it only escalated the conflict. A 20-25 game suspension sends a message to any other player who is bringing guns on to NBA team properties. Makes a lot of sense to me. But what do I know compared to WI's resident know-it-all.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | January 4, 2010 12:45 PM | Report abuse

stephen jackson was charged with criminal recklessness which i think is worse than what Gil will end up on the hook for, but we will see

Posted by: divi3 | January 4, 2010 12:56 PM | Report abuse

"David Stern gave a guy 7 games for a gun charge arising out of private conduct after he had been assaulted. Arenas brings multiple guns into an NBA facility (the workplace) which violates both the law and a league rule specific to the conduct"

Getting into drunken nightclub disputes and firing guns in public violates both the law and the league's conduct rules. It also endangers the lives of innocent bystanders, which Arenas didn't do. Jackson's actions were much more serious and dangerous than Arenas' on any scale (other than the "I hate Arenas" scale, of course.)

"But what do I know"

I'm assuming that's a rhetorical question.

Posted by: kalo_rama | January 4, 2010 1:04 PM | Report abuse

McGee is like a 7 foot tall 8- year-old with ADD and a crack habit, running around wildly, flailing and hissing, but only occasionally actually doing anything.

Posted by: kalo_rama | January 4, 2010 12:22 PM

McGee's mama is not going to like you talking like that about her baby.

Posted by: artiesliver | January 4, 2010 1:09 PM | Report abuse

"Arenas and Javaris Crittenton will [LIE] to the U.S. attorney's office today about the circumstances under which guns were brought to Verizon Center."

Hey Mike, fixed that for you.

Posted by: Plix | January 4, 2010 1:10 PM | Report abuse

"If we was winning games, everybody would be saying I'm having a great year, I'm most improved player."

Man, Arenas just doesn't get it.

Someone please smack that guy and tell him he's an idiot.

This reeks of the Jayson Williams incident where he killed a friend of his while goofing around with a gun.

All you have to do is replace "Jayson Williams" with "Gilbert Arenas."

Guns are serious and a person like that should not be allowed to go near one.

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | January 4, 2010 1:17 PM | Report abuse

"Trade Jamison, Young and or Foye"

I've swung back the other way on Nick Young, he's shown the defensive effort and smarter shot selection that should have kept him in the lineup.

small sample size, but how about these stats:

wiz are 7-3 when NY plays 20+ mins, and 4-0 in the games he's logged 30+ minutes.

I dont get what Flip is doing with him.

Posted by: divi3 | January 4, 2010 1:19 PM | Report abuse

No Fire Sale similar to what happened to Webber, Wallace, ... Organization needs to stay patient and resilient until new ownership and its management team takes shapes.

Posted by: PointCenter | January 4, 2010 1:23 PM | Report abuse

Jayson Williams: drunk, playing around with loaded shotgun kills driver. Reports surface he'd almost killed other friends in same kind of situations

Gilbert Arenas: sober, unloaded guns with no ammo anywhere present, locked in box, guns placed on bench under disputed circumstances

sorry, i'm not seeing how Gil's actions equate though i agree he is an idiot.

Posted by: divi3 | January 4, 2010 1:24 PM | Report abuse

"If Stephen Jackson only got 7 games for firing a gun, Gil's penalty should be about 3x that for bringing unloaded guns in the lockerroom for the "safety of his children."

Posted by: learnedhand1

So if Gilbert Arenas had unloaded a clip, he would have to face a more lenient penalty?

I hope there's a typo in your statement somewhere...

Posted by: mabkhar | January 4, 2010 1:27 PM | Report abuse

Doveline: The Ny Post is right below The National En-Liar as far as veracity in reporting the facts are concerned so don't go blaming Mike "Scoop" Lee, anyway this has been blown so far out of the realm of reality it's not even funny, Gil should slap himself for starting all of this BS over a silly card game, one things for sure they'll be no more card playing of any kind.

Posted by: dargregmag | January 4, 2010 1:33 PM | Report abuse

"If we was winning games, everybody would be saying I'm having a great year, I'm most improved player."

Man, Arenas just doesn't get it.

Someone please smack that guy and tell him he's an idiot.

This reeks of the Jayson Williams incident where he killed a friend of his while goofing around with a gun.

All you have to do is replace "Jayson Williams" with "Gilbert Arenas."

Guns are serious and a person like that should not be allowed to go near one.

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | January 4, 2010 1:17 PM | Report abuse
You can't be serious.

Posted by: ptp23 | January 4, 2010 1:40 PM | Report abuse

Just one more thing i am surprised and shocked at some of the post on this blog you would have though that Gil had actually shot someone, a lot of mindless knee-jerk reactions to this situation.

Posted by: dargregmag | January 4, 2010 1:43 PM | Report abuse

While there's no way to condone the stupidity of what Gilbert did, I still feel compelled to defend what he's done on the court thus far. Bear in mind that this is a guy who has been out of basketball for two years.

There's a stat called pts/reb/assists on nba.com that adds up the three and gives the league leaders in the combination. The leader, of course is LeBron with a 43.7. He is scopring 29, getting 7rpg and 8 assists (roughly).

Gilbert is #11 on that list with a 34 total.

The 10 guys in front of him are:

LeBron
Kobe
Carmelo
Kevin Martin
Kevin Durant
D Wade
Bosh
Chris Paul
Dirk Nowitzki
Monta Ellis

That's the list !! And this is from a guy who's been out of the game.

Sure, he's shooting a low % but in 12 games in November he shot 36% from the field. In the 15 December games, he was at 43% (his career average). His November assist average was 6 per game and it's at 7.5 for December.

Folks, he was getting better. He was shaking the rust off. And this is without the benefit of teh whistles he used to get 2 years ago.

Is he a dumbazz for his gun stunt? ABSOLUTELY.

But is he washed up or a burden to us as a player. As my magic 8 ball says....

All signs point to NO.

Great player..needs to grow up still.

Posted by: original_mark | January 4, 2010 1:44 PM | Report abuse

Also, there are only 2 guys in the league averaging 23 points and 7 assists per game (rounded up).

We know LeBron is one but the other guy......

yeah. him.

22.7 and 6.9

Posted by: original_mark | January 4, 2010 1:57 PM | Report abuse

Caron Butler to Bulls?
By John Jacksonon January 3, 2010 2:30 PM | Permalink | Comments (2) | TrackBacks (0)
Rumors were circulating Sunday that the Washington Wizards, in an attempt to shake things up, are shopping swingman Caron Butler, with the Bulls and the Miami Heat being the likely trading partners.

From the Bulls, the Wizards reportedly would seek guard Kirk Hinrich to provide some stability. The rumors also had the expiring contracts of Jerome James and Mike James being included, although the contracts of Butler ($9.78 million) and Hinrich ($9.5 million) are close enough to do the deal straight up.

Is this a deal that makes sense for the Bulls? Probably. Although Hinrich can play both guard positions and Butler is more of a small forward, Butler can play shooting guard and split minutes with John Salmons. Jannero Pargo and Mike James could play point guard for the few minutes that Derrick Rose is out of the game.

Butler is a better scorer and the Bulls are in need of offensive production. He's averaging 17.2 points (to Hinrich's 8.6), but is only shooting 30 percent from three-point range (to 36.1 percent for Hinrich).

Another factor is Butler has just one year remaining on his contract following this season, while Hinrich has two years left.

Posted by: rnorris6 | January 4, 2010 2:02 PM | Report abuse

original_mark, i feel ya and really hope EG doesnt overeact and ship Gil off while agreeing to pay a portion of his salary or some such foolishness just to be rid of him. He's a top player in the league, and possibly closer to being an elite one than people realize.

Of course, his fg% simply must get better and stay that way for him to approach the league's upper echelons.

imho, if there was really no animosity or anger whatsoever in Gil's displaying the guns. No threat, no hint at real violence...keep him for sure.

Posted by: divi3 | January 4, 2010 2:05 PM | Report abuse

Kalo_rama, first I wasn't comparing the relative recklessness of their behavior. Second, stop portraying it like Jackson fired randomly into a crowd. He fired a gun in the air to stop a fight after he got hit by a car. Yes, I guess a shell casing could have hit someone and a round could have struck a very low flying aircraft. Interestingly, the prosecutors didn't think it as seriously as you do considering he was given a $5,000 fine and 100 hrs of community service and a misdemeanor while the guy that hit him with the car got two years in prison. My point is that the circumstances are what will make Gil's punishment more severe because he bought the guns to a league facility, "brandished" them in connection with a heated dispute, and the Commish will want to send a strong message.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | January 4, 2010 2:07 PM | Report abuse

"Gil's punishment more severe because he bought the guns to a league facility, "brandished" them in connection with a heated dispute..."

That there is the $111,000,000 question. Dumb joke or violent threat? Makes all the difference

Posted by: divi3 | January 4, 2010 2:10 PM | Report abuse

On this blog a few days ago I wrote we should stand by Gil and I still believe that. I wrote that because I want the Wizards to win and we're not winning without a superstar and Gil is our superstar. The team is not winning now is because while Gil was hurt the Wizards stood still while other teams upgraded. Look at the Lakers, Celtics, Cavs, Spurs, Hawks and Mavs who went out and tried to add great talent around their great talent. We saw the writing on the wall last year and Erin thought Mike Miller and Foye would be the answer. Well not so far.

Also, why are the Wizards not expressing public support for their player whether they believe it or not. Think about how that looks to other players who the Wiz might want. The Laker stood beside Kobe and I'm sure their are other examples out there.

If you were a player would you want to come here when you see the Wizards always dumping on their players. For example, the Wizard traded Resheed after his rookie season for having two run-ins with his girl in NC. They traded Webber for having a few run-ins with the law. They fired Micheal Jordan for... well I've yet to hear a good reason for that move. And now all you hear is the Wizard want to get rid of Gil or void his contract because he is who you knew he was when you signed him to that contract.

Again we need Gil if we want to win.

Posted by: 33dgriffin | January 4, 2010 2:10 PM | Report abuse

Hinrich's not having a good season (shooting terribly) while Caron's shot has started to fall in December and he's up to 43% on the season after a horrid start.

Moves for the sake of moves was the Unseld strategy and it sucks, let's not see it again!

Posted by: divi3 | January 4, 2010 2:16 PM | Report abuse

>>anyway this has been blown so far out of the realm of reality it's not even funny

When Arenas is suspended for the rest of the season, see how funny you think it is then. And how below the National Enquirer the NY Post was in reporting it firsthand.

Posted by: dovelevine | January 4, 2010 2:26 PM | Report abuse

Given the woefulness of the East, there's no need to rush a move. This is how the Wiz got Richmond for Webber. Panicking in the face of a media imbroglio. Miller should be back this week, and that should cure a bit of what ails the team. See how it goes upon his return. Then decide. Otherwise, they are going to get fleeced.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | January 4, 2010 2:29 PM | Report abuse

Hinrich's not having a good season (shooting terribly) while Caron's shot has started to fall in December and he's up to 43% on the season after a horrid start.

Hinrich can handle the ball during crunch time, so the Wizards won't need to use Boykins with Arenas. But unless Chicago is throwing in a first round pick it's a pretty bad trade. Butler is a better player with a better contract, and more teams will be interested in Mike James then Jerome "Big Snacks" James.

Posted by: djnnnou | January 4, 2010 2:34 PM | Report abuse

With each successive "gun incident" there is more pressure on Stern to come down hard. Expect the suspensions and fines to be worse than, not equal to, other incidents. There is also a lack of remorse from Gilbert; instead of admitting it was reckless to do this, he's laughing it off. That won't sit well with Stern. If it's a long suspension (more than 15 games), I wouldn't be surprised if management doesn't shut Gilbert down for the season, if they can't trade him. And, in the long run, you can't start over with this team (i.e., trade Butler and/or Jamison and rebuild) and still have Gilbert here. No one can control the guy. His lawyer told Gilbert not to talk to the press, so he does the very next day. This is not a guy you can build your franchise on. Leonsis, Gruenfeld, whomever--they're all going, "we have no control over this guy."

Posted by: jweber1 | January 4, 2010 2:42 PM | Report abuse

I'm guessing a one year suspension. I'd keep him when he gets back, tho. One thing we know about Gil is that he's thrived when he's been motivated to prove something.

Plus one more year of rest on that knee and work with Grover may actually help. Who knows?

Posted by: original_mark | January 4, 2010 2:46 PM | Report abuse

we dont have to use boykins with arenas now, it's just what Flip has decided gives us the best chance to win games.

bored today and looking at 82games....our best 5 man unit is Gil-NY-CB-AJ-BTH. That unit has a +32 and 7-4 record (however they detrmine that)

switch out NY for Earl and you're looking at a -19 and 3-7 record

i guess i'm too dumb to understand the intricacies of nba coaching and in reality there is a solid reason to give the 5'5" 33yr old journeyman all those minutes despite the apparent results.

Posted by: divi3 | January 4, 2010 2:48 PM | Report abuse

Just one more thing i am surprised and shocked at some of the post on this blog you would have though that Gil had actually shot someone, a lot of mindless knee-jerk reactions to this situation.

Posted by: dargregmag | January 4, 2010 1:43 PM

Do you have two working brain cells in your head?
I'll type it slowly for you -
Gil brought several guns to his place of work. Apparently, only he knew they were unloaded.
What if Javaris had thought the guns were loaded and hurt Arenas or himself trying to extricate himself from the situation. Worse, what if Gil had not completely emptied (unloaded) the weapons and there was actually a live round left and somebody pulled the trigger.
If Gil brandished/pointed a weapon at somebody in that locker room his contract should be voided and if all he did was "show" his weapons, he should be suspended.

Posted by: artiesliver | January 4, 2010 2:48 PM | Report abuse

"Second, stop portraying it like Jackson fired randomly into a crowd. He fired a gun in the air to stop a fight after he got hit by a car. Yes, I guess a shell casing could have hit someone and a round could have struck a very low flying aircraft."

Let me guess . . . you failed high school physics, right?

Are you f*&king kidding me? Have you ever heard of a little thing called "gravity"? It's pretty popular here on Earth. It's the thing that makes stuff go up in the air come back down. And, in the case of things that go up in the air with high velocity, it makes them also come back down with high (albeit somewhat degraded) velocity. What, did you think the bullets just keep going until they floated into space or dissolved into the air?

In other words, genius, bullets fired up into the air can (and have) come back down with enough force to seriously injured and /or kill people. Firing a gun into the air with a crowd of people around is a direct danger to the lives of those people.

Jesus.

Posted by: kalo_rama | January 4, 2010 3:22 PM | Report abuse

The Chicago Sun-Times is reporting that there are discussions about trading Caron Butler for Kirk Hinrich. I like the idea of Hinrich & Miller in the backcourt, but I think we'd be getting hosed if this trade goes through straight up. The article mentions Mike & Jerome James as throw ins.

We should be attempting to get more in return for the services of an all-star, shouldn't we? I know money is an issue but in the case of Hinrich, he makes almost the same amount of money as Butler. So we're basically giving up a lot of production and getting much less in return.

Blowing up the team is only good if we're getting fair market value for our players.

Posted by: KellRawLive | January 4, 2010 3:30 PM | Report abuse

VOID GILBERT'S CONTRACT!!!

Posted by: BulletsFan1 | January 4, 2010 3:30 PM | Report abuse

It would have to be a pretty large crowd to come down and hit someone in the immediate vicinity. He'd have to point it exactly perpendicular to the ground and there'd have to be no wind. More likely it'll travel in a parabolic direction, come down a pretty good distance away....

and kill someone.

Posted by: original_mark | January 4, 2010 3:31 PM | Report abuse

"Apparently, only he knew they were unloaded.
What if Javaris had thought the guns were loaded and hurt Arenas or himself trying to extricate himself from the situation."

Isnt that pure speculation? What if Gil and Javaris both knew the guns were unloaded, and neither was angry? Does that change anything in your mind?

There are many conflicting reports out there now ranging from they were on the verge of killing each other on down to nobody was angry.

Afterall, they practiced together 5mins later right? Hard to imagine Critt felt Arenas was threatening his life and then practiced

Posted by: divi3 | January 4, 2010 3:33 PM | Report abuse

Per ESPN..."Some reports suggest Arenas wasn't serious when he laid three guns on a chair near Crittenton's locker and invited him to choose one to settle their beef over an unpaid gambling debt, but who jokes like that? Besides, if you believe what Crittenton's longtime friend Kendrick "Bookie Ball" Long told the New York Post "

Wrong is wrong, no excuse there but what happened to "what happens in the locker room stays in the locker room. I don't know if this is more tragic or stupid, I'm a "gilbertmaniac" but damn dawg, you gotta grow up.

Seems like they're more serious about gambling debts than they are about playing D or winning ball games. Whatever happens, don't trade Caron to Chi or Mia! He should remain a Wizard...as should Gil. He's done lots for DC, but you know when you do right no one remembers but when you do wrong noone forgets.

Posted by: Gooddad | January 4, 2010 3:35 PM | Report abuse

"My point is that the circumstances are what will make Gil's punishment more severe because he bought the guns to a league facility, "brandished" them in connection with a heated dispute, and the Commish will want to send a strong message."

You have no point because the only one of your claims that has actually been proven, as a matter of fact, to have happened is that Arenas brought the guns into the locker room. That's it. Every one of your other claims is just reported speculation with no weight of fact or evidence behind them as of yet (at least not as far as the public knows). There's been no proof offered of this "heated dispute" or of Arenas "brandishing" (i.e., directly pointing) the gun at anyone. That's all speculation printed in a tabloid rag with a notorious rep for sensationalism.

If, when all is said and done, it simply ends up being Arenas' ill-conceived attempt at a stupid joke, the only thing he'll be guilty of is incredibly faulty judgment (Really? From Arenas? What a shock!), and the only penalty will probably be a few games suspension and some fines.

Again, Stephen Jackson fired a loaded gun in public. How anyone could think that was less serious than Arenas bringing a (reportedly) unloaded gun into a closed locker room is mind-boggling.

Posted by: kalo_rama | January 4, 2010 3:37 PM | Report abuse

"Apparently, only he knew they were unloaded.
What if Javaris had thought the guns were loaded and hurt Arenas or himself trying to extricate himself from the situation."

Isnt that pure speculation? What if Gil and Javaris both knew the guns were unloaded, and neither was angry? Does that change anything in your mind?

There are many conflicting reports out there now ranging from they were on the verge of killing each other on down to nobody was angry.

Afterall, they practiced together 5mins later right? Hard to imagine Critt felt Arenas was threatening his life and then practiced

Posted by: divi3 | January 4, 2010 3:33 PM | Report abuse
I was at eh game Satruday. Gil and Crit were laughing and talking during timeouts. Both really seemed scared of each other..good grief!

Posted by: ptp23 | January 4, 2010 3:38 PM | Report abuse

"Seems like they're more serious about gambling debts than they are about playing D or winning ball games."

Doesnt speak well of Flip that after mailing it in for a blowout loss to end the dismal road swing, these guys are gambling on the plane to the tune of $60k or whatever. Sounds like a grand ol'time as the season circles the toilet.

And make no mistake the real reason Mcgee gets zero burn is the card playing, which I can understand.

yes, it's fun to speculate

Posted by: divi3 | January 4, 2010 3:43 PM | Report abuse

We should be attempting to get more in return for the services of an all-star, shouldn't we? I know money is an issue but in the case of Hinrich, he makes almost the same amount of money as Butler. So we're basically giving up a lot of production and getting much less in return.

Blowing up the team is only good if we're getting fair market value for our players.

Posted by: KellRawLive | January 4, 2010 3:30 PM | Report abuse

That's the problem with blowing up a team under duress. You can never get fair market value, because all of the other GMs know they have you over a barrel. The Wizards are crumbling at the seams and desperately need to shake things up, and everyone knows it. They're dealing from a position of weakness and other GMs are salivating to take advantage of that fact.

That aside, however, I don't see how the Wiz have any use for Hinrich. The last thing we need is another SG who can't shoot or another undersized hybrid PG/SG. Esp. since Hinrich has two more years on his contract, compared to Butler's one.

Posted by: kalo_rama | January 4, 2010 3:43 PM | Report abuse

the other thing about trading CB is that he's the hard working pro while Gil and whoever are goofing off and acting the fool. There's a reason other teams want him, lousy jab step and all.

dont frickin trade him for hinrich, really makes no sense

Posted by: divi3 | January 4, 2010 3:46 PM | Report abuse

I think they're looking at the wrong player on the right team. Tyrus Thomas is a beast, and has been trade bait for some time now. He's exactly what we need in terms of a low post-presence. Maybe Grunfield can pull another rabbit out of his hat with a Hinrich/Thomas for Butler/Blatche or something along those lines.

Looks like Randy Foye will finally be getting some playing time.

Posted by: KellRawLive | January 4, 2010 3:52 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: kalo_rama | January 4, 2010 3:37 PM

C'mon son. I put "brandish" in quotes because of the manner in which it is alleged he showed the guns. If you came into a colleague's office after the two of you had a heated dispute, he placed guns on the desk, and asked you to pick one, how would you take that? And TWP reported those facts, not the NY Post.

With respect Stephen Jackson's punsishment, your mind should be boggled because I never said one was more or less serious than the other. You can keep inferring that I did but that doesn't make it true.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | January 4, 2010 4:22 PM | Report abuse

"C'mon son. I put "brandish" in quotes because of the manner in which it is alleged he showed the guns. If you came into a colleague's office after the two of you had a heated dispute, he placed guns on the desk, and asked you to pick one, how would you take that? And TWP reported those facts, not the NY Post."

Key word "alleged." Something that is "alleged" is not, by definition, a "fact." And the NY Post broke the story so all of the initial descriptions, including the "alleged" dispute and the "alleged" pointing of guns, flowed from their initial coverage, which was later picked up on by other outlets, including the Washington Post.

"I never said one was more or less serious than the other. "

Ahem:

If Stephen Jackson only got 7 games for firing a gun, Gil's penalty should be about 3x that for bringing unloaded guns in the lockerroom for the "safety of his children.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | January 4, 2010 12:05 PM | Report abuse

So, based on that statement, you either (A) think Arenas deserves a more serious penalty for committing a more serious act, which makes you a liar for saying you never said that or (B) you think Arenas deserves 3 times as much punishment as Jackson for a less severe act, which just makes you an idiot.

Pick one.

Posted by: kalo_rama | January 4, 2010 4:32 PM | Report abuse

people people
the point here is that gilbert arenas brought the guns to work,the last the i checked the only people who can bring guns to work are police,military or hit men! what would happen if any of us came to work and as a joke,showed some guns to a co-worker? You guessed it!!!! You would be fired based on that alone!!My guess is it should be enough to void the contract! problem solved...... goodbye gilbert hello king james or chris bosh!!!

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