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A look at the new Wizards


I got traded where? (Photo by Glenn James/NBAE via Getty Images)


The breakup of the Wizards doesn't seem to be near completion with the team still working the phones in hopes of making more deals before Thursday's 3 p.m. deadline. The Wizards are making teams around the league aware of their desire to get under the luxury tax, but Sports Illustrated's Ian Thomsen is reporting that they could also use some of their expiring contracts -- Mike James and Mike Miller -- to gain assets in the form of prospects or picks.

Antawn Jamison remains the available big name, and he assuredly would like to be moved rather than finish the season as the only member of the "Big Three." If President Ernie Grunfeld makes another trade in the next two days, he would make more deadline deals this season than he did in the past decade. Remember, the Butler and Haywood deal to Dallas was his first deadline trade as an executive with the Wizards. He made just one trade deadline deal when he was with the Milwaukee Bucks, when he traded Ray Allen to Seattle for Gary Payton. Similar to the deal with Dallas, that was a salary dump as well. Grunfeld usually makes his best deals in the offseason.

The Wizards will get the second half of the season underway this afternoon as they prepare to host the Minnesota Timberwolves on Wednesday. There won't be a formal press conference for Josh Howard, Drew Gooden, James Singleton and Quinton Ross, which sort of signals the Wizards' long-term plans for those guys. But I thought I'd offer a little background on the new guys, even if they are pretty much here as 32-game rentals (if that long).

JOSH HOWARD
Howard, a former all-star and ACC player of the year from Wake Forest, is only a month younger than Caron Butler -- and about three years ago, you could've argued that Howard was the better player. At one point, Howard was considered Dirk Nowitzki's trusty sidekick, especially in 2006, when he was the barometer of the Mavericks' success during their run to the NBA Finals.


I probably needed to get way from Dallas. (Photo by Ronald Martinez/Getty Images)

A long-armed, active and versatile player, Howard was a tough defender who could occasionally erupt offensively. Team USA director Jerry Colangelo thought so highly of him that he invited Howard to participate on the national team. Howard declined the invitation so that he could run a youth camp in Winston-Salem, N.C. He became an all-star in 2007, when he averaged close to 19 points for a team that won 67 regular season games. Although he was better the next season, averaging about 20 points per game, Howard was not selected as an all-star.

Howard was the first member of his family to graduate from college and was considered a model NBA citizen until he wound up self-destructing, especially during a postseason run in 2008 that sullied a once-solid reputation. He admitted to smoking marijuana in the offseason and later threw a 28th birthday party during the Mavericks' first-round loss to New Orleans. His fall continued later that summer when he disrespected the national anthem. Suddenly, he got a reputation for being a knucklehead. With Dallas's playoff shortcomings and a series of nagging injuries, Howard continued to fall from grace.

The seventh-year veteran is having his worst season, averaging career lows of 12.5 points and 40.1 percent shooting because of injuries to his left ankle and hamstring. His star has faded considerably, but Mavericks owner Mark Cuban said Howard probably just needs a fresh start somewhere else. "I think Josh will find himself re-energized with the Wizards," Cuban said.

Howard was a rookie during Jamison's only season in Dallas.

DREW GOODEN
Gooden has joined his eighth team in eight seasons, proving to be the kind of player that teams love to date but have no interest in marrying. He has been a decent rebounder and double-digit scorer at his stops through Memphis, Orlando, Cleveland, Chicago, Sacramento, San Antonio and Dallas. He was averaging 8.9 points and 6.9 rebounds in just 22 minutes per game with the Mavericks.


Why am I the only guy jumping? (Photo by Rocky Widner/NBAE via Getty Images)

Gooden had his best years in Cleveland, where he started on two playoff teams and reached the NBA Finals in 2007. Wizards fans should be somewhat familiar with him, since he was a part of two Cavaliers teams that eliminated Washington and is close friends with his bearded brother, DeShawn Stevenson. He has been traded at the deadline for the third consecutive year, going from Cleveland to Chicago, Chicago to Sacramento and now Dallas to Washington.

Last season, Gooden negotiated a buyout with the Kings so that he could sign with San Antonio. The Wizards don't have plans to discuss a buyout with Gooden right now, since they still don't know what trades will happen, or what savings could be made before the deadline. Gooden was once traded for Mike Miller.

QUINTON ROSS
Ross went undrafted in 2003 and had to spend a season in Belgium before finding a home with the Los Angeles Clippers in 2004. He spent four seasons with the Clippers, teaming with Wizards assistant Sam Cassell, and was in Memphis last season. Ross has never averaged more than 5.2 points and is a career 42.2 percent shooting, but he has earned playing time through his commitment to defense. He has a player option for next season.

JAMES SINGLETON
Like Ross, Singleton also went undrafted in 2003 and had to take the hard route to the NBA by starting his career in Europe. He also got his start with the Los Angeles Clippers in 2005. He has played in Italy and Spain. Singleton is noted for being an energy guy who plays either forward position.

By Michael Lee  |  February 16, 2010; 12:04 PM ET
 
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A) JOSH HOWARD = he got a reputation for being a knucklehead.

B) DREW GOODEN = has joined his eighth team in eight seasons.

C) QUINTON ROSS = went undrafted in 2003 and has never averaged more than 5.2 points and is a career

D) JAMES SINGLETON = also went undrafted in 2003 and was playing in Europe last year like Boykins.

A+B+C+D = Money in Irene's bank account

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | February 16, 2010 12:24 PM | Report abuse

Mike,

I guess you can tell by the lack of posts on here the real answer to the What should the Wizards do next? Poll is...

I don't even care anymore

The problem has been that Abe and his family have never cared about the fans or winning a championship only about making money and they are going to leave this mess to Ted.

I for one will buy season tickets again after Ted buys the team and hopefully the fans will fill up the Verizon Center and show the Pollin family all (some of the fans) we ever wanted was an owner who wanted to win a championship as much as we do.

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | February 16, 2010 12:29 PM | Report abuse

What's the starting lineup Wed?

Posted by: dovelevine | February 16, 2010 12:30 PM | Report abuse

My guess would be

Foye pg
MM sg
AJ sf
AB pf
FO c

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | February 16, 2010 12:35 PM | Report abuse

My lineup:

Foye PG
Miller SG
Howard SF
Jamison PF
McGee C

I think Howard and McGee have the all-around length to protect Jamison's lackluster defense.

Posted by: elfreako | February 16, 2010 12:42 PM | Report abuse

So, if you're keeping score, here's the Wizards' trade history over the past nine months: a No. 5 pick that should have been Stephen Curry, Caron Butler, Brendan Haywood, Etan Thomas, DeShawn Stevenson, Darius Songaila, Oleksiy Pecherov and cash for Mike Miller, Randy Foye, Josh Howard, Drew Gooden, James Singleton and Quinton Ross.

And cash? Really?

Help me, Ted Leonsis & you're my only hope.

http://sports.espn.go.com/fantasy/basketball/fba/story?id=4913961

Posted by: anacostia85 | February 16, 2010 12:44 PM | Report abuse

With an obvious change in venue for Haywood, Butler, and DeSteve, I am very interested in how a different coaching philosophy affects or not affects their games.

Particularly Haywood, he is mostly going to be the back up, but with the way Dallas UpTemPo's the ball and runs the floor, I think he will be a much better transition player than Erik Dampier.

In my comments over the past to posts that the Wizards should have long ago gotten rid of Haywood, I would always say that the Wizards would not be a better Team without Haywood. Haywood on the floor for them I always said made the Wizards a better Team. Maybe, it did not add up to what most wanted, but the fact is irrefutable.

Now, under the current circumstances, it would only be fair to judge Haywood's performance with the Mav's and not what the Wizards do.

If Haywood fails, I will never sugarcoat it, but I have a feeling that Brendan will exceed expectations for the Dallas Mavaricks.

LarryInClintonMD.


Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | February 16, 2010 1:07 PM | Report abuse

God rest his soul, but I've said on this blog many times before he died that Abe Pollin was only about clearing a profit from the Washington Bullets. He NEVER cared about winning for real--he only wanted to win "on the cheap." Yes, find him low-priced talent that would amazingly play waaaay over their heads and win a championship--that was his only hope. Abe always wanted to use a Volkswagen to win it all, when everyone knows it takes an Escolade! And what we are looking at today is the results of running a franchise "on the cheap." Some will talk about the money paid to Arenas and Jamison. What they don't understand is that Abe's back was against the wall on those deals--he had to pay or the Wiz fans who buy tickets wouldn't have shown up at Verison Center. He knew this and he paid. But he always shooed away the first pick in the draft. Don't buy that ping-pong ball crap they show on TV. Each owner has a say in that process and clearly Abe always made sure the NBA didn't award the Bullets/Wizards a first pick (until Jordan was part of the ownership) because Abe NEVER wanted to pay a first pick salary. Everything he did was about keeping more money in his own pocket--rather than actually IMPROVING the Wizards. THANKFULLY, THOSE DAYS ARE GONE NOW!! NEW OWNERSHIP will bring a modern way of thinking when it comes to running a pro franchise (Abe was stuck in distant past) NEW PLAYERS will bring a fresh look and feel for the team. This is like expansion franchise now! There will be a lot of losing over the next few years but things are looking up! Now if they could ONLY CHANGE THOSE DREADFUL, UGLY, BORING, DRAB UNIFORMS!!!!

Posted by: NothingButTheTruth | February 16, 2010 1:07 PM | Report abuse

No press conference so far is really classless.

But we can see that no one is really stepping into the ownership void for the Wizards.

You would think that Ernie would arrange the PC thing and put on a good face for the Wizards and the newly acquired Howard, Gooden, Ross, and Singleton.

It's almost like Ernie and the Wizards have accepted the loser mantra. Even if these guys are just rentals, they still should give the first class treatment. It says something about your organization to do so for Christsakes.

And what impression does that give Howard, Gooden, Ross, and Singleton. Isn't it just good common professional courtesy to welcome in new people in the press.

It is like they brought them in the back door, but everybody knows they were coming and are here.

I guess maybe they will be introduced to the Fans at the VC tonight.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | February 16, 2010 1:12 PM | Report abuse

Yawn...Who gives a crap. We are the same this season as we were last season when Grunfeld fired EJ and replaced him with the director of personnel instead of a bonified NBA coach, LOSERS!!!

Posted by: ivyleague | February 16, 2010 1:13 PM | Report abuse

BulletsFan78, I knew you understood that comment the other day. You made somewhat of a similar comment yourself.

But, I was surely surprised how so many are eating all these moves that Ernie is pulling of as a way to be competitive and don't realize also that it is very possible that the Pollins have their fingers all over this just to sell the Team for a higher price.

You see BulletsFan78, as you have been saying all along, WINNING starts at the top, and their may be a hidden agenda here to win off the floor for the Pollins financial future and less to due with a winning Team on the floor.

Ted Leonsis may be a forgiving man, but if this bottom line belt tightening ends up costing him millions in the appraisal process, I would not want to be Ernie Grunfield.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | February 16, 2010 1:16 PM | Report abuse

New Mavericks want to bring 'edge, nastiness' to win West

11:25 AM CST on Tuesday, February 16, 2010

By EDDIE SEFKO / The Dallas Morning News
esefko@dallasnews.com

Caron Butler stopped short of saying he felt like he'd just received a get-out-of-jail-free card with the trade out of Washington.
But when he looked at the schedule recently, it hit him how tough things were with the Wizards.

"We had 30 games left and we had to win, probably, 23 of them to just get to the playoffs or be fighting for a spot," the new Maverick said. "Looking at Dallas and being in the thick of things, expectations are different. It's a breath of fresh air.

"I'm looking forward to coming in and bringing that edge and nastiness to Dallas."

Never mind that the 32-20 Mavericks may also have to win 23 of their last 30 just to get where they want to go. They're more interested in keeping their eye on the short-term ball and moving forward with a new team.


Look at that mindset. It won't get easier for Caron & Haywood it is only going to get harder. A star expects to win 23 of 30 games if not all 30.

Posted by: anacostia85 | February 16, 2010 1:27 PM | Report abuse


larry and b78, you're just sore that you're favorite player was traded away to backup 87yr old erik dampier's bad knee.

read the headlines, the nba is on course to lose $400million this season. Wizards are far from the only team looking to shed salary after a failed attempt has run its course. We got Debrick off the books! That alone is a miracle.

Nothing wrong with clearing CAP when you stink and there's no short-term solution to your problems

Posted by: divi3 | February 16, 2010 12:58 PM

Posted by: divi3 | February 16, 2010 1:28 PM | Report abuse

larry and b78, you're just sore that you're favorite player was traded away to backup 87yr old erik dampier's bad knee.

read the headlines, the nba is on course to lose $400million this season. Wizards are far from the only team looking to shed salary after a failed attempt has run its course. We got Debrick off the books! That alone is a miracle.

Nothing wrong with clearing CAP when you stink and there's no short-term solution to your problems

Posted by: divi3 | February 16, 2010 12:58 PM

Divi3,

Not so fast, under normal circumstances, you would be 100% correct.

However, for the Wizards their is one caveat that figures in here. The team is in the selling process.

The new owner may not look kindly on anything that may cost him to pay more for the franchise when he has already offered a viable sum.

The financial situation of the League used as an excuse to dump salaries adversely affects the appraisal price against Ted Leonsis.

The salary dump as BF78 and I have been pointing out puts more money into the Pollin's Purse's and these moves being made by Ernie Grunfield may not be purely for a competitive reason going forward.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | February 16, 2010 1:28 PM | Report abuse

Please trade Jamison. I never thought I would say that along with saying to trade Butler but the one thing Ernie has said that I agree is that things are STALE around here.

The Wiz have zero building blocks right now...that is whats truly sad about the team. Blatche? McGee? Both athletic guys with talent but who knows if they will even make it to the weekend.

Posted by: Redskins2Win | February 16, 2010 1:35 PM | Report abuse

Basically the Mavs agreed to take Debrick if we threw in the BTH rental. Note the Camby trade happened just after BTH was gone, and that the Clips didnt get any of the players we wanted from the Blazers in exchange for BTH....so it's not like EG underestimated haywood's current value and missed out on Batum or Fernandez

Plenty of criticism to throw at EG, but I'm just not seeing where this trade was so terrible.

Posted by: divi3 | February 16, 2010 1:44 PM | Report abuse

Let's call this "trade" exactly what it is: a salary dump. The Wiz weren't going to the playoffs, much less going to compete for a championship with Butler, Stevenson and Haywood.

Caron Butler is a complimentary player and a decent baller who can sometimes score 20+ points. However, Caron was a turnover machine. He definitely was a liability at the two and wasn't physical enough to be an effective three. Gilbert Arenas' injuries, which led to Caron being a "go-to guy" exposed Butler's shortcomings. Watch what happens when Jason Kidd starts feeding Caron perfect passes - and Caron hesitates before shooting.

Brendan Haywood was in his contract year and was putting up decent numbers. Again, the Wizards could hide Brendan's liabilities [softness, poor offensive skills] as long as the Big Three were putting up 60+ points nightly. I hate to see Brendan go, but he was going to leave anyway if he could get big $$$$$$'s.

The less said about DeShawn, the better.

Regarding the new acquisitions, I like Josh Howard. A change of scenery should motivate him. By default, he becomes one of our better shooters and defenders. Drew Gooden, when healthy, is also a good complimentary defensive player.

All in all, this was a move to dump salary and clear cap room.

Posted by: musicmanjr | February 16, 2010 1:50 PM | Report abuse

I don't think these moves will affect what Leonsis will pay for the team that much.

Posted by: anacostia85 | February 16, 2010 2:00 PM | Report abuse

Quinton Ross and James Singleton, huh? I guess to be considered the Clippers East you need to have some former Clippers. Do we still have to pay full price for tickets since these moves were not made in the best interest of the fans but rather for ownership?

Character, Commitment, Connection.....

Posted by: hamptonpirates89 | February 16, 2010 2:01 PM | Report abuse

Basically the Mavs agreed to take Debrick if we threw in the BTH rental. Note the Camby trade happened just after BTH was gone, and that the Clips didnt get any of the players we wanted from the Blazers in exchange for BTH....so it's not like EG underestimated haywood's current value and missed out on Batum or Fernandez

Plenty of criticism to throw at EG, but I'm just not seeing where this trade was so terrible.

Posted by: divi3 | February 16, 2010 1:44 PM

Divi3,

This certainly isn't a bad trade for the Mavaricks by a long shot.

And why are you devalueing Haywoods importance to this trade. The fact that Haywood was in the trade gave Wizs the leaverage to have DeSteve in.

And secondly, Dampier is 35, 13 yrs in the League and 5 years older than Haywood. Haywood has only 8 years in the League and if he performs that way I think he will, he will be more than just a rental for the Dallas Mavs.

Come on Divi3.

Now, on whether this is a good trade for the Wizards, it all will hinge on the new owner.
LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | February 16, 2010 2:04 PM | Report abuse

"The fact that Haywood was in the trade gave Wizs the leaverage to have DeSteve in."

uh, that's exactly what I said.

"And secondly, Dampier is 35, 13 yrs in the League and 5 years older than Haywood."

exactly why BTH should have no trouble taking over the starting role rather quickly, given Dampier's age and injuries.

Posted by: divi3 | February 16, 2010 2:14 PM | Report abuse

I don't think these moves will affect what Leonsis will pay for the team that much.

Posted by: anacostia85 | February 16, 2010 2:00 PM

Oh contrare, Anacotia85, they will.

Don't think for one second that every dollar that comes off the bottom line liability for the Team, that the Pollins Appraisal Group isn't factoring that into the price for the Team.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | February 16, 2010 2:15 PM | Report abuse

Divi3, I took the wrong meaning for what you were saying about Haywood.

Sorry.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | February 16, 2010 2:17 PM | Report abuse

Trade rumor time.

The John Thompson show just reported a trade rumor that Cleveland is still really interested in AJ.

We know that Cleveland is in talks to get Amarie. However, they still want a 4 that can shoot from the outside.

So, after acquiring Amarie, they would tender to the Wizards, Shaquille O'neal, along with their 1st round pick for Jamison and Mike Miller.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | February 16, 2010 2:28 PM | Report abuse

Brenda Heywood plays with oven mits on. The Mavs will learn that pretty quickly.

Posted by: dovelevine | February 16, 2010 2:31 PM | Report abuse

And if the deal goes through, with Shaq's expiring contract, next year the Wizards would be 35 mil under the salary cap.

If they are able to void Gilberts contract (still unlikely) they would be 50 mil under the cap.

In the salary dumping efforts, as the rumor goes this deal makes great sense.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | February 16, 2010 2:32 PM | Report abuse

Jordan Williams could teach Mr softy err Haywood a thing or 2 about toughness.

Posted by: dovelevine | February 16, 2010 2:34 PM | Report abuse

Also, the deal is palatable because it will help put folks back in the seats of the VC in the absence of CB, AJ, & GA.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | February 16, 2010 2:34 PM | Report abuse

@LarryInClintonMD

If the Wiz send Jamison AND Mike Miller to the Cavs for Shaq and Cleveland's #1 pick they have lost their minds.

Shaq is old and basically damaged goods. Cleveland is going to have the 29th or 30th pick in the first round. Where is the advantage in this trades for the Wizards?

Posted by: musicmanjr | February 16, 2010 2:36 PM | Report abuse

Shaq is doing for the Cavs exactly what they aquired him to do, namely, drop hammers on dwight howard and talk a lot.

Why would they trade him?

Even if they wanted to, he would intimidate Danny Ferry out of even considering it.

Posted by: divi3 | February 16, 2010 2:41 PM | Report abuse

If they don't agree to a deal an outside appraiser will determine the value of the team. Cutting these players won't increase the value of the team. You could even argue that it lowers the value because tickets sales will go down and there will be no chance of playoff revenue entering the equation. Leonsis already owns half of the team already so that won't end up being a big deal. I would imagine the value of the Verizon Center will be the biggest sticking point.

Posted by: anacostia85 | February 16, 2010 2:45 PM | Report abuse

if this all means we get greg monroe next year, im all for it.

Posted by: ryjufox3 | February 16, 2010 2:46 PM | Report abuse

Knowing Jason Kidd if BTH is working his tail off on the defensive end and getting rebounds he will make sure the ball goes inside to reward the big guy for his efforts.

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | February 16, 2010 11:39 AM | Report abuse

how do you know Kidd? Did you go to school together? Just kidding.

i am sure Kidd will pass inside to Haywood, but when Hayood gets stripped 3 of the first 5 times, Kidd will stop passing, just like everyone else has.

haywood is good at putbacks. and even then gets stripped a lot.

I hope he has a great rest of his career. Just happy it is not here, so we can run through 8 other centers until we find a decent one.

As far as salary dumping goes, in theory, every dollar not spent this year or next is one mor dollar available for the right player down the road. In theory.

Posted by: Blurred | February 16, 2010 2:46 PM | Report abuse

Trade rumor time.

The John Thompson show just reported a trade rumor that Cleveland is still really interested in AJ.

We know that Cleveland is in talks to get Amarie. However, they still want a 4 that can shoot from the outside.

So, after acquiring Amarie, they would tender to the Wizards, Shaquille O'neal, along with their 1st round pick for Jamison and Mike Miller.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | February 16, 2010 2:28 PM


I posted this the other day they stole it from ESPN

Posted by: anacostia85 | February 16, 2010 2:47 PM | Report abuse

@LarryInClintonMD

If the Wiz send Jamison AND Mike Miller to the Cavs for Shaq and Cleveland's #1 pick they have lost their minds.

Shaq is old and basically damaged goods. Cleveland is going to have the 29th or 30th pick in the first round. Where is the advantage in this trades for the Wizards?

Posted by: musicmanjr | February 16, 2010 2:36 PM _________________________________________

Two words...CAP RELIEF...

Posted by: bozomoeman | February 16, 2010 2:47 PM | Report abuse

the Clips didnt get any of the players we wanted from the Blazers

Plenty of criticism to throw at EG, but I'm just not seeing where this trade was so terrible.

Posted by: divi3 | February 16, 2010 1:44 PM

So you are compairing Ernie and the Wizards to the Clippers.

You do have low standards

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | February 16, 2010 2:50 PM | Report abuse

I love this team of Gooden, Mike James and Boykins. That has to be a record for former teams.

Posted by: Blurred | February 16, 2010 2:51 PM | Report abuse

So you are compairing Ernie and the Wizards to the Clippers.

You do have low standards

Posted by: bulletsfan78

actually i was doing BTH a favor and comparing him to Camby

Posted by: divi3 | February 16, 2010 3:00 PM | Report abuse

Just realixed this.....James Singleton is thelayer that th Wizards drafted in the 2nd Rd and then traded is rights to Dallas for cash considerations...

Posted by: chicoexcell | February 16, 2010 3:05 PM | Report abuse

Just realized this....James Singleton is the player that was drafted by the Wiz in the 2nd Rd and then traded him to Dallas for cash consideration

Posted by: chicoexcell | February 16, 2010 3:07 PM | Report abuse

I actually think that the "New Look" Wizards will be better after this trade....if they can get rid of AJ (who stll thinks he a SG).

PG- Foye
SG- Miller
SF- Howard
PF- Blatche/Gooden
C - McGee

Posted by: chicoexcell | February 16, 2010 3:13 PM | Report abuse

@bozomoeman:

Shaq is putting up the worst numbers in his career for points, rebounds and minutes played. To watch Shaq slog around in a Wizards uniform - Even if it provided cap relief- would be disgusting to watch.

Now, on the other hand, if Shaq agreed to retire after the season and stay on as a "big man" coach for Blatche, McGee and Gooden...it might make sense.

Posted by: musicmanjr | February 16, 2010 3:22 PM | Report abuse

first of all re: all of the pollin haters...i knew abe and his family and can guarantee all reading he wanted a winner...his biggest problem in my opinion was his loyalty surpassed his judgement. People in business come to appreciate loyalty because 9 times out of 10 having a good partner will make the difference in a succesful venture. Unfortunately, such loyalty to Wes for example killed a decade b/c wes was overmatched on every level other than as a player. Other times we were just cursed. The year we get the number 1 pick, we get kwame...but recall there was no'one else one could rationally argue to take at that moment...shane battier?) It was just money either, he built verizon with his money and he gave more to charity than all of us reading this combined...AND basketball was his number 1 love. So enough of the abe hating (may he rest in peace)! Eg brought us the big 3 which we were all stoked about 3 years ago when things were going well. But EG misjudged his partners (the players) not realizing that arenas was going to implode and that jamison can't play defense. Also, haywood was having a great contract year (shocker!) but he wasn't great in the locker room and i wanted to cringe any time he shot the ball when he wasn't dunking it. Deshawn shouldn't be a pro player....on and on and on...

Posted by: IZZY3 | February 16, 2010 3:25 PM | Report abuse

IZZ3 - Save your breath. These people prefer scapegoats to reason and nuance.

Posted by: IrenePollin | February 16, 2010 3:35 PM | Report abuse

IZZY3 and IrenePollin

Abe's record "as an owner" speaks for itself.

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | February 16, 2010 3:41 PM | Report abuse

"exactly why BTH should have no trouble taking over the starting role rather quickly, given Dampier's age and injuries. "

Don't know what Dampier's current status is, by my guess is that as long as Dampier is physically able to play, he remains the starter this season. If his injuries are serious enough that he has to sit out, then Haywood becomes the starter by default, but if not, I doubt they'll change things up on a dime, given that Dampier knows the system and the players and has chemistry with them, and the fact that they're already shaking things up considerably by starting Butler right off.

Posted by: kalo_rama | February 16, 2010 3:46 PM | Report abuse

ESPN reporting that Camby was traded to Portland for Blake and Outlaw.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=4918893

Posted by: kalo_rama | February 16, 2010 3:48 PM | Report abuse

BTW, big ups to whoever found that photo of Howard guarding Butler. Nicely done.

Posted by: kalo_rama | February 16, 2010 3:49 PM | Report abuse

Can I ask why everyone talks about Caron as "tough juice"? I was a big Caron fan and still like Caron and respect him. In fact I'm happy he went to bigger and better things than being stuck on this rebuild, sinking ship. However, I read Caron as saying he wants to bring toughness and nastiness to the Mavs. When have you ever seen Caron exemplify these qualities? He missed a good # of games due to injuries, he wanted to shoot jump shots all day long and he rarely posted people up. I'm not saying Caron is injury prone or he's a "wuss," but I never saw Caron play when he was really hurt but could have played. If he was hurt (not injured but hurt) he usually would miss the game. I never once watch Caron in a Wizards uniform and said "Woah, that's a tough guy, he's going to play tonight with that injury?" Truth be told, if he was hurt he didn't play. Second, as I mentioned when did you ever see Caron post people up? He wanted to take jump shots and he was a turnover machine (as someone said earlier). I liked Caron, and Caron was great for us a few years back. But Caron was best for us when he was the 2nd or 3rd option. Say what you will about Gilbert, but even though we were a #4/5 Seed type team in the East every year, the person most critical to our success was Gil. When Gil was injured, Caron and Twan couldn't carry us. Caron progressively got worse without Gil and that's not a coincidence. I think Caron will do well in Dallas because he won't need to be the first or second best player on the team there. I wish Caron the best but let's please stop saying he brought toughness to the Wizards and he's "tough juice." Let's appreciate what he did for us but let's not act like we traded away Michael Jordan.

Posted by: DCSportsFan28 | February 16, 2010 3:50 PM | Report abuse

please get rid of jamison it needs to happen

Posted by: bford1kb | February 16, 2010 3:56 PM | Report abuse

isn't that kevin singleton pictured? He's nice shooting guard with Sacremento.

Posted by: oknow1 | February 16, 2010 3:58 PM | Report abuse

Bullet's Fan 78..

i wouldn't argue that the record speaks for itself. Unfortunately it does! I was only commenting on yours and others' suppositions as to what abe was thinking and feeling given that i had some actual insight. You didn't say " the record speaks for itself"...you said:

"The problem has been that Abe and his family have never cared about the fans or winning a championship only about making money and they are going to leave this mess to Ted."

Posted by: IZZY3 | February 16, 2010 4:16 PM | Report abuse

Can someone please tell me why Abe Pollin is getting blamed for this trade catastrophe? Abe is DEAD. Not sure who is making the decisions right now - his family or Grunfield or both - but it ain't Abe.

Abe LOVED Jamison. He also loved Butler and would not have traded him anyway for nothing - which is what we are left with....nothing.

Posted by: Lisa_R | February 16, 2010 4:20 PM | Report abuse

POSTED: Feb. 16 -- 4:31 p.m. ET

O'Neal

Marc Stein: Cleveland's interest in Antawn Jamison dates to last season, which has apparently spawned some radio rumblings in the DC area about the Wizards and Cavs discussing a deal that would swap Jamison and Mike Miller for Shaquille O'Neal.

I've been encouraged by both teams to dispel that notion in the strongest possible terms.

Both teams resoundingly shot it down when we checked with them.

Got a flat "no" from one of the two teams and a louder "BIG no" from the other.

The Cavs still covet Jamison, but giving up Shaq to get him makes no sense, even if they do successfully strike a deal for Amare Stoudemire before Thursday's 3 p.m. ET deadline.

On top of the fact that the Cavs are very pleased with Shaq's first 50-plus games in town, they need him for potential down-the-road playoff matchups against Dwight Howard, Andrew Bynum, etc. Cleveland, remember, thinks defense first.

Posted by: anacostia85 | February 16, 2010 4:39 PM | Report abuse

@musicmanjr

I agree with your assessment of Shaq...and as far as I'm concerned the Wiz can offer him a buy out and he can go right back to Cleveland or where ever else he wants to go.

He is not going to play for a non contender. Shaq only wants to play for a team capable of being Champs.

Posted by: bozomoeman | February 16, 2010 4:45 PM | Report abuse

A better question would be why the Washington Post staff posted a picture of Kevin Martin of the Sacramento Kings (with the "KINGS" logo on the front of the uniform) instead of Quinton Ross on the front page collage of the story...

Posted by: walter17 | February 16, 2010 4:53 PM | Report abuse

I don't think you'll ever see Shaq in a Wizzies uniform.
He signed with the Cavs to win another ring. Coming to the Wizzies would be the biggest plummet ever.
I would like to see the Jamison for Hickson deal get done somehow. AJ deserves to play with a bonafied contender. If Amare goes to the Heat then we just might see this deal with the Cavs.
AJ or Amare with the Cavs will put them in the Finals.

Posted by: VBFan | February 16, 2010 4:58 PM | Report abuse

IZZY3,

So why didn't Abe ever go over the luxury cap?

Are you saying the reports of...

The Wizards are making teams around the league aware of their desire to get under the luxury tax...

is for the fans?

Is the Pollin esate going to refund the season ticket holders their money since they are going to benifit by not having to pay a luxury cap again this year?

I don't know what you do for a living but (I'll steal this from Larry)my daddy thought me Money talks and BS walks?

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | February 16, 2010 5:00 PM | Report abuse

Can someone please tell me why Abe Pollin is getting blamed for this trade catastrophe? Abe is DEAD. Not sure who is making the decisions right now - his family or Grunfield or both - but it ain't Abe.

Posted by: Lisa_R | February 16, 2010 4:20 PM | Report abuse

Nobody is blaming Abe for these trades but it has to be his family who is telling Ernie what to do.

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | February 16, 2010 5:03 PM | Report abuse

I dont think the new wizards are gonna be all that bad. Mark my words, the new blood and competition for playing time and next years contracts will have them playing above .500 for sure. Unfortunately, we need to lose games to get john wall, and we should use the rest of our season to evaluate our young guys and see who we need to keep moving forward.
I wish flip would start:
foye
young
howard/miller
blatche
mcgee
so we can get an honest look at the development of young, blatche and mcgee together, givem 30 plus minutes each a game and find out if they can ever be what we need them to be.
who flip will start:
foye
miller
howard
blatche
gooden
and this lineup will be surprisingly good...you'll see.

Posted by: bbachrac | February 16, 2010 5:42 PM | Report abuse

this blog stinks. why isn't there any trade rumor updates regarding jamison. I have to google news search antawn jamison to get the scoop. no wonder this guy couldn't get the locker room gilbert gun battle scoop. What does this guy do for a living. He's awful on tv too. That Ivan guy is bad too. Geez, their voices are all grizzly.

Posted by: jdgreger@yahoo.com | February 16, 2010 5:42 PM | Report abuse

I don't see how people can blame Abe Pollin for being cheap. He may have been overly loyal to his former players (Unseld) and to his current ones like Arenas and Jamsion, but the man spent $200M of his own cash to build the Verizon Center. He had to sell the Capitals in order to come up with enough cash to pay down the mortgage on the arena as both teams were losing serious money at the time.

As far as EG, he should not have allowed Mr. Pollin's loyalty to influence him into re-signing both Jamison and Arenas when they were FA's two summers ago. It was obvious by that time that the "Big Three' was never going to be more than a one and done team in the playoffs. The rebuilding should have started at that point when he could have done either a sign-and-trade for Arenas with the Clippers or GS OR just let him walk. Signing a 32-year old PF like Jamison to a 4-year deal was equally absurd.

Now the Wizards loyal fans will be treated to 2-3 years of expansion-level play after the team is purchased by Leonsis. It will take winning finishing high in the lotter at least a couple of time like OKC or Portland before this team can even be competitive again.

Posted by: wizfan89 | February 16, 2010 5:53 PM | Report abuse

I don't see how people can blame Abe Pollin for being cheap...but the man spent $200M of his own cash to build the Verizon Center.

Posted by: wizfan89 | February 16, 2010 5:53 PM | Report abuse

You forgot he paid 1 million for the club 46 years ago and his estate and Ted Leonsis says he offered to buy the Washington Wizards at "one of the highest prices ever paid for an NBA team," an amount that was apparently far short of satisfying the family of late owner Abe Pollin.

I think the Pollin esate is going to make a small profit?

He had to sell the Capitals in order to come up with enough cash to pay down the mortgage on the arena as both teams were losing serious money at the time.

That's because he refused to spend any money to bring in good players, good GM's and good coaches.

Why would the fans want to come and see the crap he and Susan O'Mally were selling back then?

The place was packed when MJ played and Abe backed out on that deal as soon as the money quit coming in.

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | February 16, 2010 6:08 PM | Report abuse

There is nothing wrong with the Pollin family getting every cent they can for the team and the phonebooth it's the American way.

Posted by: anacostia85 | February 16, 2010 6:14 PM | Report abuse

By Chris Mannix, SI.com

While the Knicks continue to pursue Tracy McGrady, informed sources warn that New York remains low on Houston's list of trade partners. The framework involves Houston shipping McGrady and power forward Joey Dorsey to the Knicks for Al Harrington, Jared Jeffries and Jordan Hill.

However, sources with knowledge of the talk say the Rockets have received multiple offers for McGrady that they have deemed better than the Knicks'. A source said that Jeffries -- who is owed $6.9 million next season with a $2 million trade kicker -- is a major sticking point for Houston's front office.

Acquiring Jeffries would effectively kill any chance Houston would have of signing a top free agent in the offseason.


Posted by: anacostia85 | February 16, 2010 6:18 PM | Report abuse

No one said the Wiz would "be a better Team without Haywood." What we did say, quite clearly and without ambiguity, is that (contrary to the delusions of some) whatever value Haywood added was so marginal as to not be worth all the fuss made over him.
Posted by: kalo_rama | February 16, 2010 10:58 AM | Report abuse
But the Wizards have been dramatically less miserable with Brendan Haywood on the court. Basketball Value pins his adjusted plus/minus at better than plus-eight points per 100 possessions. That's one of the top 30 ratings in the NBA, ahead of the likes of Ray Allen, Tim Duncan and even Caron Butler.
When he's on the court, Brendan Haywood grabs about 18% of the available rebounds. At age 30, that's the best rate of his career. It's also good for 21st in the NBA, in nice company with Andrew Bogut, David Lee, Shaquille O'Neal, Kendrick Perkins and the like.
Ask Dwight Howard
There's no need to even count the zillion points the Wizards routinely give up when Haywood sits. All you have to do is ask current defensive player of the year Dwight Howard, who recently declared Haywood the third best defender in the entire NBA.

But kal knows more than Dwight Howard?

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | February 16, 2010 6:18 PM | Report abuse

There is nothing wrong with the Pollin family getting every cent they can for the team and the phonebooth it's the American way.

Posted by: anacostia85 | February 16, 2010 6:14 PM | Report abuse

I didn't say there was...I was trying to explain to wizfan89 that Abe was a very good business man.

People try to give the man a pass for "running the organization on the cheap side" just because he invested his money on the Verizon center.

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | February 16, 2010 6:23 PM | Report abuse

Mark my words, the new blood and competition for playing time and next years contracts will have them playing above .500 for sure.
Posted by: bbachrac | February 16, 2010 5:42 PM

I doubt it, and I've been a sunny optimist in this forum.

But I'm still a fan and I say let's embrace this quasi-expansion team situation. It might take a few years, but if it's done well, and it can be, we can enjoy seeing a new, young team coming together.

Not all of EG's moves have been winners, but I don't think all the moves have been his to make. Abe had a huge influence, and now I'd bet the Pollin family is (although I do not know to what extent they're calling the shots or whether Leonsis is consulted and how much influence he brings to the table. It seems that since he and the Pollins are at odds about the price of the team, Ted would not be much of a factor in current decisions. But there could be wheels within wheels, who knows?) Anyway, I don't bash EG. If the new owner wants him to stay, I trust their judgment. Most people in this forum seem to want to treat this like a video game -- if you screw up, you can stop mid-game and restart -- fire him, blow it up, off with his head, etc. But this is real life, and you have to be more measured in your calculations and responses, or you mess things up even worse through your rashness.

The Wiz are taking big steps. It's happening fairly fast. A new owner is coming -- there's a legal timetable. Breathe through your nose.

Posted by: 7snider7 | February 16, 2010 6:28 PM | Report abuse

"Abe was a very good business man.

People try to give the man a pass for 'running the organization on the cheap side' just because he invested his money on the Verizon center."

Of course. Every business owner tries to spend as little as possible in order to make as much as possible. Otherwise, the business would go kaput.

I don't understand how anyone can blame Pollin or any other NBA owner for acting in a way that tried to maximize his investment and keep the business functioning.

Posted by: fansincebullets | February 16, 2010 6:33 PM | Report abuse

Of course. Every business owner tries to spend as little as possible in order to make as much as possible.

fansincebullets

I don't know about you but I want an owner who is as passionate about winning as the paying fan is.

Do you think he went with a cheap (cost wise) lawyer to run his estate?

But he did when he ran the Wizards?

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | February 16, 2010 6:40 PM | Report abuse

Pretty funny Earhtlings.Clearing all this cap room for...WHO THE HELL WANTS TO COME HERE? And play w/ WHO? We waited 5-8 years after they blew it up last time.

Posted by: Mikereese23 | February 16, 2010 6:44 PM | Report abuse

When Haywood was here it was like he did not exist now that he has gone to the Mavs everyone wants to make him out to be Bill Russell. Too funny.

Posted by: anacostia85 | February 16, 2010 6:52 PM | Report abuse

Drew Gooden being bought out.

Posted by: Mark_Edwin | February 16, 2010 6:53 PM | Report abuse

McGrady's agent, Arn Tellem, initiated talks with the Knicks and has been trying to make a deal happen, according to a source close to the process. The Knicks believe McGrady still can play and hope he can both lead them to a playoff berth and help persuade LeBron James to come to New York in the summer. Even if McGrady can do neither, he would allow the Knicks to get further under the cap this summer if the deal included Jared Jeffries.

But the Rockets' asking price is steep if they have to take back Jeffries and the $6.6 million remaining on his contract next season.

The same source said the Rockets want expiring contracts, 2009 first-round pick Jordan Hill and future first-rounders from New York to make it happen. That's too rich for the Knicks' blood. Although they'd love to clear Jeffries' contract off the books, it'd be too big of a risk. If the Knicks didn't land a marquee free agent or two in the summer, they'd have given away up to three high draft picks for nothing.


http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?page=TradeTalkRoundup-2010

Posted by: anacostia85 | February 16, 2010 6:56 PM | Report abuse

"I don't know about you but I want an owner who is as passionate about winning as the paying fan is."


I didn't know Abe Pollin but I doubt he would have bought the team and kept it as long as he did if he hadn't been "as passionate about winning as the paying fan is." Washington has never been one of the most lucrative franchises.

You can certainly question Abe's judgment in making basketball decisions (and I'd probably agree with many of your evaluations in that regard), but to question his desire to own a winning team makes no sense to me.

Posted by: fansincebullets | February 16, 2010 6:59 PM | Report abuse

it's been pointed out 1,000x that the Wiz have had one of the highest payrolls in the league for several years and that it's incongruent to call the Pollins cheap while criticizing AJs and Arenas' contracts in the same breath....but those facts will never stop some from grinding their personal axe

Posted by: divi3 | February 16, 2010 7:20 PM | Report abuse

Abe Pollin was a loyal man to a fault for sure and for a couple of decades was a fairly "cheap" owner in terms of player contracts and payroll. But, when you mix in his legendary charitable endeavors and his refusal to hold a city hostage like most teams and building an arena on his own dime, it becomes harder to use the word "cheap" when describing him. Also, when you add in the recent history of the team's payroll it becomes even more difficult. I would say it's more accurate to say that he presided over a team that was mostly mismanaged even when he had well qualified people running it. For example, someone brought up a couple of years ago when the "rebuild" should have started. It was widely reported that Pollin was the catalyst behind the re-signings of GA and AJ, perhaps, against the advice of his GM. I, for one, would have been happy to get Baron Davis and Biedrins from GS for GA, which was a move that was a rumored possibility at the time. Then again, most in here that have nothing positive to say would have probably killed the franchise then for being cheap and not re-signing their injured franchise player. Some are just never pleased.

Posted by: rphilli721 | February 16, 2010 7:21 PM | Report abuse

NEW UPDATE!!


Cavs talks with Wizards intensify
Adrian Wojnarowski

By Adrian Wojnarowski, Yahoo! Sports 44 minutes ago

The Cleveland Cavaliers have made significant progress in trade discussions with the Washington Wizards, offering Zydrunas Ilgauskas(notes), Jamario Moon(notes) and a No. 1 draft pick for Antawn Jamison(notes) and Mike James(notes), sources told Yahoo! Sports.

Some league sources believe this is a deal that is preferable to some members of the Cavaliers’ management and coaching staffs over Amar’e Stoudemire(notes), but Cleveland still hasn’t made a decision on which trade to ultimately make. Other trade proposals that intrigue the Cavs are still emerging on the landscape, but the focus now is on Jamison or Stoudemire.
More From Adrian Wojnarowski


Washington is still trying to squeeze possibly another pick or young player out of the Cavs, but sources say it’s possible a deal could get done without J.J. Hickson(notes). As it stands, both sides believe they have the framework of a workable deal.

Posted by: anacostia85 | February 16, 2010 8:05 PM | Report abuse

Wiz have had one of the highest payrolls in the league for several years

divi3

Then why is this the first year they accidentally went over the luxury cap and why are they having a fire sale to get under it?

Are they going to give season ticket holders a refund for these last 32 games since thee product is going to suck?

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | February 16, 2010 8:06 PM | Report abuse

Abe Pollin was a loyal man to a fault for sure and for a couple of decades was a fairly "cheap" owner in terms of player contracts and payroll. But, when you mix in his legendary charitable endeavors and his refusal to hold a city hostage like most teams and building an arena on his own dime, it becomes harder to use the word "cheap" when describing him.

rphilli721

I've said 100 times I've never met the man I have always refered to the way he ran the organization.

Do you think he built the arena for the fans?

If I were still a season ticket holder I wouldn't be holding my breath for a dividend check once Abe's estate ca$he$ in when they sell the club.

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | February 16, 2010 8:11 PM | Report abuse

Latest deal is Ilgauskas, Moon, and 1st round pick for Jamison and James

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=AoYeAWaQYx9JU2gix1pegMO8vLYF?slug=aw-cavswizards021610&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

Posted by: arenasmvp | February 16, 2010 8:20 PM | Report abuse

Then why is this the first year they accidentally went over the luxury cap and why are they having a fire sale to get under it?

Are they going to give season ticket holders a refund for these last 32 games since thee product is going to suck?

Posted by: bulletsfan78

uh, was the product good while BTH/CB/Brick were here? As a season ticket holder, I'm happy to see NY and JM get big mins rather than watch Haywood stumble about on offense on his way to leaving at the end of the season....or watch Debrick get inexplicably heavy mins for whatever reason.

You've wanted to blow the team up for awhile, so dont cry over the spilt milk that is BTHs departure a few months early

Posted by: divi3 | February 16, 2010 8:23 PM | Report abuse

You know your team is bad when a player would rather be bought out and sit out the rest of the season rather than to play for you. And from the interviews with the other three, they would have rather not come either. Wow! That's bad.

Posted by: ivyleague | February 16, 2010 8:23 PM | Report abuse

The math works on the latest trade rumor. AJ + MJ = 18.1 million minus ZI = JM = 14.3 million a net of 3.8 million to the WIZARDS.

Appears to be a get out of jail free card in regard to the luxury tax. EG is a genuine wizard if he moves JAMES for anything.

Now forget the rest of the season. Since the former MAVS don't want to play as WIZARDS, fine them and suspend them.

Posted by: glawrence007 | February 16, 2010 8:29 PM | Report abuse

Of course. Every business owner tries to spend as little as possible in order to make as much as possible. Otherwise, the business would go kaput.

I don't understand how anyone can blame Pollin or any other NBA owner for acting in a way that tried to maximize his investment and keep the business functioning.

Posted by: fansincebullets | February 16, 2010 6:33 PM | Report abuse

Don't try to tell Mark Cuban and Jerry Buss that.

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | February 16, 2010 8:37 PM | Report abuse

"I guess you can tell by the lack of posts on here the real answer to the What should the Wizards do next? Poll is...I don't even care anymore"

to me, looks like a fairly active discussion today. I don't think interest in the Wiz' future has fallen much. Sure, there's disappointment, but few as negative about the team as you are.

Posted by: Samson151 | February 16, 2010 8:39 PM | Report abuse

caron and bth have already taken 10shots between them in the 1stQ.....wiz taking over the mavs!

Posted by: divi3 | February 16, 2010 8:39 PM | Report abuse

"Don't try to tell Mark Cuban and Jerry Buss that.Posted by: bulletsfan78"

Cuban is a notorious free spender, a la Dan Snyder but with better judgment. Buss can be a terrible tightwad when the mood hits him. But the point is, with a lockout all but certain and a CBA no more than a distant dream, smart owners are going to pull in their horns wherever possible.

Posted by: Samson151 | February 16, 2010 8:41 PM | Report abuse

Don't try to tell Mark Cuban and Jerry Buss that.

Posted by: bulletsfan78

Wizards have had a higher payroll than the Mavs for a few seasons, Abe must have cared more about winning than Cuban by your own logic.

Posted by: divi3 | February 16, 2010 8:42 PM | Report abuse

POSTED: Feb. 16 -- 7:51 p.m. ET

Stoudemire

J.A. Adande: With rampant speculation that Miami is trying to pry Amare Stoudemire from the Phoenix Suns before the Cleveland Cavaliers can get him, here are two possible scenarios.

According to an NBA source, the Heat are offering Daequan Cook, Quentin Richardson, Dorell Wright, Mario Chalmers and draft picks to the Suns. Cook is the only player among that group who is under contract for next season (Chalmers has a team option for $847,000). It is believed that the Suns would rather have a package from Cleveland that would include Zydrunas Ilgauskas, J.J. Hickson and a draft pick, with the young Hickson as the most appealing part of the package.

Another league source said the Suns would like to attach Jason Richardson to a Stoudemire trade, which would relieve Phoenix from having to pay Richardson's $14 million salary next season. The combined $29 million of outgoing salary from Stoudemire and Richardson this season would be too difficult for Cleveland to match to make a trade work under the salary-cap guidelines. Miami, however, could add the $23 million expiring salary of Jermaine O'Neal to the previously mentioned offer and come within the 25 percent range of matching salaries. I have yet to hear that the Heat are willing to do so, I am merely mentioning the possibility.

That would have obvious appeal to the Suns, allowing them to escape from luxury-tax land next season and positioning them to go after a major free agent this summer.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?page=TradeTalkRoundup-2010

Posted by: anacostia85 | February 16, 2010 8:44 PM | Report abuse

If all the MAVS and WIZ expirings make like trees and leaf next season, the WIZARDS will be left with ARENAS, HOWARD, BLATCHE, McGEE, YOUNG, MOON, ROSS, and FOYE, a total eight players. With three picks, including CAVs first, they'll need to round up a minimum of three bodies from the scrap heap just to round out a team. I believe PAUL DAVIS is available. They certainly can sign McGUIRE now unless ROSS is aimed directly at his slot. I understand ROGER MASON wants out of his situation. JOE SMITH has an expiring in ATLANTA also.

Posted by: glawrence007 | February 16, 2010 8:46 PM | Report abuse

BTW Dampier started tonite for Dallas.

Posted by: anacostia85 | February 16, 2010 8:52 PM | Report abuse

I don't understand how anyone can blame Pollin or any other NBA owner for acting in a way that tried to maximize his investment and keep the business functioning."Posted by: fansincebullets"

Sure you do, if you're talking about Toyota or AIG.

Problem is, I don't see how anybody can justify calling Abe Pollin cheap, and then in the next breath claim he overpaid his star players. Those seem like contradictory claims. Abe let Roger Mason go, true enough, but San Antonio played a role in that too. I see the Spurs are preparing to put Roger back in the job market. Good luck to the guy. Although I still don't understand Mike Wise's point in comparing Mason to Arenas -- are we supposed to be surprised when the son of a prominent opthalmologist who goes to school with Chelsea Clinton turns out NOT to be a thug?

Now that Abe's gone, the Pollins are dumping salary, like most of the other teams in the league. I guess we think we deserve to hold them to a higher standard? I'm guessing the Pollin family aren't anywhere near as dedicated to the game as Pop was.

Look, the team made a bet on a particular hand, and lost. They'll be paying the price for a while yet. We can get our undies in a bunch and focus our energy on fixing blame and seeing if we can't get somebody fired. I mean, what could be more fun than that? Stupid, but fun.

Posted by: Samson151 | February 16, 2010 9:01 PM | Report abuse

If Gooden wants a buyout that is great news let's give him 500,000 and cut the strings. We either save 3.5 million or he plays it out.

Posted by: anacostia85 | February 16, 2010 9:04 PM | Report abuse

caron is now 2-10 while BTH is 3-7....with 3 missed layups.

gotta love it!

Posted by: divi3 | February 16, 2010 9:09 PM | Report abuse

Looks like Caron took his shooting touch with him to the Mavs he is 3-11.

Posted by: anacostia85 | February 16, 2010 9:10 PM | Report abuse

Not to mention Caron's 4 turnovers.

Posted by: Mark_Edwin | February 16, 2010 9:16 PM | Report abuse

CB and BTH are just nervous. First game out. They'll come around.

Posted by: glawrence007 | February 16, 2010 9:23 PM | Report abuse

@ Anacostia

Thanks for the link to the Yahoo story. I don't see how taking on Moon's salary (he's due $3M for two more seasons, thru 2012) would help this team. I don't think this team is that eager to rid itself of Jamison's contract, at least not under the Grunfeld era...

Posted by: -CN- | February 16, 2010 9:37 PM | Report abuse

Well if that deal happens to be legitimate be thankful we get a 1st round pick. Moon's salary is not out of line and he is a good perimeter defender.

Posted by: anacostia85 | February 16, 2010 9:43 PM | Report abuse

CB's now 3-15 with 4TOs and several missed layups...Mavs fans pooping selves

Posted by: divi3 | February 16, 2010 9:47 PM | Report abuse

The Kid from Pittsburgh Sam Young was awailable in the second round when the wizards drafted. He is an excellent shooter and has excellent hops. MARK MY WORDS ("Sam I AM YOUNG) Will be a superstar !!

Posted by: specialg7master | February 16, 2010 9:50 PM | Report abuse

Jamario Moon is athletic, and though he's only been in the league for a couple year's, he's just as old as Warren Moon, alright, not that old, but he's pushing 30. I did compare the total salaries and this team would give up 18, but take on only 13, so that would put the team under the cap, but it looks like the Cavs would need to add one more player to get the salaries within 20%, though it could be a random player, such as Koby Karl or another filler. That would rid the team of Jamison's salary and suddenly have a fairly defensive minded set of players in Howard & Moon...

Posted by: -CN- | February 16, 2010 9:51 PM | Report abuse

FYI

We don't have to worry about Koby Karl in the trade. He has been cut by the Cavs. I wouldn't mine having Leon Poe if he's now healed and ready to play.

Posted by: specialg7master | February 16, 2010 10:04 PM | Report abuse

CB's now 3-15 with 4TOs and several missed layups...Mavs fans pooping selves

Posted by: divi3 | February 16, 2010 9:47 PM

Yeah not so good tonight but it is only one night. I can't wait to see Cuban's face on sportscenter. He was gloating big time after the deal went through.

Posted by: anacostia85 | February 16, 2010 10:06 PM | Report abuse

"The Kid from Pittsburgh Sam Young was awailable in the second round when the wizards drafted. He is an excellent shooter and has excellent hops. MARK MY WORDS ("Sam I AM YOUNG) Will be a superstar !!Posted by: specialg7master"

I like Sam, he's a local guy and I wish the Terps had signed him when they had a chance. He's a bit like Jeff Green in that respect -- people tend to underrate his contribution. Still, I can't see Sam Young as an NBA superstar. He's a good but not great shooter and a good but not great leaper, but he mostly plays SF at 6'6" and 210, which means he's often at a size disadvantage against many opponents. His real growth potential is on defense, where he's very intense and focused.

Posted by: Samson151 | February 16, 2010 10:08 PM | Report abuse

POSTED: Feb. 16 -- 9:21 p.m. ET

McGrady

Chris Sheridan:The Houston Rockets and New York Knicks are "making progress" in their Tracy McGrady trade discussions, according to a source close to the talks, and Knicks president Donnie Walsh is expected to speak with owner Jim Dolan on Wednesday to discuss the parameters of the deals that have been discussed, and how best to proceed forward.

Several sources say the main holdup to this point has been the Rockets' insistence on asking for at least one future No. 1 pick as the price for taking on Jeffries, who is owed $6.9 next season. Dolan has always been amenable to throwing $3 million cash into the kitty to make a deal go through, but a decade of sacrificing first-round draft picks has left him hesitant to sign off on letting another one go (The Knicks owe their own 2010 pick to Utah).

The Rockets are believed to be seeking the Knicks' 2012 first-round pick, along with the option to swap first-round picks in 2011, and there are unresolved issues regarding lottery protection on the draft picks.

Posted by: anacostia85 | February 16, 2010 10:09 PM | Report abuse

Does the above part that says

"a decade of sacrificing first-round draft picks has left him hesitant to sign off on letting another one go (The Knicks owe their own 2010 pick to Utah)."

ring any bells?

Posted by: anacostia85 | February 16, 2010 10:11 PM | Report abuse

The MAVS look like the Wizards tonight. I see BTH and CB have been banished to the bench. The MAVS will miss Gooden,because he is a guy that doesn't demand shots. He will get his shots from rebounds and I'm sure will have some trade value for the wizards.

No Juice on the bench chewing on straws sitting next to the brick layer and B. Haywood sitting on the bench holding the coachs towel while begging to get back in.

In hindsight
Ernie was probably smart to get rid of these guys before they started to play their stock down.

Posted by: specialg7master | February 16, 2010 10:16 PM | Report abuse

wow!! Carlisle put Haywood in the game at the end after sitting just like Flip did let's see if he gets better results.

Posted by: anacostia85 | February 16, 2010 10:26 PM | Report abuse

1:32 DeShawn Stevenson enters the game for Jason Terry

1:20 DeShawn Stevenson misses 18-foot jumper

0:38 DeShawn Stevenson bad pass

too funny

Posted by: divi3 | February 16, 2010 10:34 PM | Report abuse

CB is not a shooting guard

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | February 16, 2010 10:57 PM | Report abuse

"Brendan Haywood scored all seven of his points in the first half"

shocking

"DeShawn Stevenson played five scoreless minutes."

never seen that before

"Butler was responsible for Nowitzki getting a second early foul as he telegraphed a pass that Thabo Sefolosha picked off and Nowitzki fouled him to prevent a fast break."

sound familiar?

Posted by: divi3 | February 16, 2010 11:03 PM | Report abuse

Anyone else think Houston is taking the Knicks to the cleaners?

I guess I forgot....I'm talking about the Knicks. Of course their giving up too much for a big name and a better opportunity to add big names next year.

Posted by: SportzWiz | February 17, 2010 2:58 AM | Report abuse

Some posters need to go back to school and take a course "basketball teams value." If you reduce your payroll and aquire players whose abilities are LOW LEVEL and are destined to BE LOW LEVEL QUALITY in their carrers the value of the team goes down. The players aquired along with the wiz players left will--despite Ernies comments--not draw flies to the Verizon center. for the rest of this season. The wiz stands to loose tons of money in season ticket sales as well as single game sales. The money of season tickets and single ticket as well as shirts--shoes uniforms-etc. along with food and drink loss of sales will without a doubt LOWER the value of the wiz organization for 3 to 5 years. It will take that long to reuild and give the ticket buyer a reason to come back to Verizon center and put their money where their mouths are. The issue is NOT THE VALUE OF THE FACILITIES i.e. Verizon center does not apply because the value of the facility does not drive any money directly to the wia--IMO it is the food-drink--shirts-- shoes etc. advertisers etc. The value of the center is what it is. The value is set and does not generate any income as does ticket sales etc. The concerts and Georgetown--horse shows--etc. income does NOT go to the Wiz a different entity. It's imple the wiz will NOT generate the same income in the next 3 to 5 years as they did in the previous 3 to 5 years. The Verizon center value could go up or morelikly down because the veriznon center is getting older and the market today is in the tank. All you amatuer CPA'S take a deep breath and a shrp pencil and--as they say--DO THE MATH.

Posted by: vergens2 | February 17, 2010 3:08 AM | Report abuse

@Vergens2,

The current value of the VZ will not have much impact on the sale price as it is being appraised right now, as we speak.

What will have an effect on the appraisal price right now is the liabilities of the team.

All of sudden, lets say the salary liability of the team went from a 2-yr obligation of 60 million to 30 and now you donot have a luxury tax that was projected in the millions.

That gets factored as an asset to the value of the appraised price for the team right now.

What you are talking about has less effect on the appraised price because it hasn't happened yet. Appraiser's do not give you much value on projections unless there is a pattern of it already established.

The VZ does not have a record of loosing money thus the value of the Team will not go down because we dumped player salaries.

The actuality is the appraised value will go up because the Team is no longer obligated for those salaries right now, whilst the value of the VZ hasn't been impacted atall as of yet.

Check your math.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | February 17, 2010 7:37 AM | Report abuse

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