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Wizards closing in on deal with Dallas

This week, I asked the Wizards players about their plans for the all-star break. Most guys were headed to their home towns. Caron Butler told me on Monday that he was going back home to Wisconsin to visit his kids and watch his oldest daughter, Camary, play a varsity basketball game for Racine Lutheran High School for the first time.

When I asked him the next day if he was going back home from Charlotte because of the snowstorm in D.C., Butler joked, "I'm going to Dallas."

A few days later, it appears that Butler really is headed to Texas. All signs are pointing to the Wizards soon completing a trade that would send Butler, Brendan Haywood and DeShawn Stevenson to the Dallas Mavericks for Josh Howard, Drew Gooden and another piece that could be either Quinton Ross, Tim Thomas or James Singleton. The deal would provide some major savings for the Wizards, who stand to remove close to $15 million from their 2010-11 payroll.

According to two league sources with knowledge of the discussions, the Wizards and Mavericks have agreed on the primary pieces - Butler for Howard - but have yet to reach an agreement on the other parts. That should not prohibit the deal from taking place, with the Wizards having a disappointing season and the Mavericks struggling to maintain their footing in a stacked Western Conference playoff picture.

The Wizards would like the deal to involve just Butler and Stevenson, but Haywood needed to be included to convince the Mavericks. One source said that there is a possibility that Haywood could still be left out of the deal, but a person close to Haywood told me that Dallas has been interested in acquiring him for some time. Haywood, the longest tenured Wizard, is having a career-year, averaging 10.3 rebounds and 2.1 blocked shots per game. But the Wizards had been growing concerned about being able to retain him in free agency this summer.

Butler will earn $10.5 million next season. He wanted a contract extension before the season began, but the Wizards were unable to reach an agreement. He is having a difficult time adjusting to Coach Flip Saunders's system and, despite chemistry problems with Gilbert Arenas, he never got much better even after Arenas was suspended. In his last two games, Butler scored a combined 54 points and made a game-winning jumper in a win over the Orlando Magic. After that game, Butler sounded like someone who thought that a trade was inevitable.

"I'll always view Washington as home. I had a great time here. I had the most success I ever had," said Butler, who made all-star appearances in 2007 and 2008.

The Wizards have been trying to deal Stevenson since last summer. They had hoped to force him into the pre-draft deal for Mike Miller and Randy Foye. With several teams expressing interest in Butler, the Wizards were using Stevenson as part of package deal to shed his $4.2 million salary.

Howard, Gooden and whoever else is added for salary cap purposes would strictly be coming to Washington as 32-game rentals.

The next question is, what happens to Antawn Jamison? He has been rumored to be coveted by the Cleveland Cavaliers, but Brian Windhorst of the Cleveland Plain Dealer is reporting that their interest in Jamison has been put "on the back burner" as the team pursues Phoenix all-star Amare Stoudemire. If that deal collapses, the Cavaliers are expected to pursue Troy Murphy next.

The Wizards are holding out hope that the Cavaliers will appease LeBron James's desires to add Jamison, but Cleveland refuses to surrender J.J. Hickson in any deal for the 33-year-old Jamison. No matter what happens there, it appears that the first step of the Wizards' "retooling on the fly" is closer to fruition.



By Michael Lee  |  February 12, 2010; 10:46 PM ET
 
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Comments

I would not trade Butler for Howard. Jamison's contract is the one to be traded. Haywood is not the cause for losing either. Arenas and Jamison have cap-strapped the team and should be dealt. Arenas and Jamison are two of the worst defensive players in the NBA.

Posted by: tramellcanady | February 12, 2010 11:09 PM | Report abuse

Can somebody help me understand how Butler and Haywood, two very good players, can be traded and the Wiz only getting back cap space? How can I get excited about this trade? This means that if the NBA didn't have guaranteed contracts and the Wizards could cut Butler, Stevenson, and Haywood without repercussions, they would. I just can't believe they would cut Butler. Butler is a valuable player, Stevenson is less than a tenth of the Wiz's salary cap, and Haywood is a free agent and probably won't come back anyway. What free agent can the Wiz sign that is better than Butler?

I just don't get NBA trades.

Posted by: jazapfsp | February 12, 2010 11:09 PM | Report abuse

Great Trade Ernie! I knoew Ernie would pull something out of his hat!!!! People are down on him but he just chicken salad out of chicken shiiite! Now we need to find a way to package Jamison and Mike James to relieve some more money from next years cap and be a player in free agency. I would target Chris Bosh and Joe Johnson. A lucky bounce of the ping pong balls and we get a John Wall, Evan Turner, or DeMarcus Cousin then we are talking a nice little nucleus. Better yet lets save the money and start counting down the days to Durant's free agency. Nothing like a local boy coming home. Don't for a second think that if the Wizards clean house with the roster, then hopefully clean house with ownership and the front office and coaching staff that Teddy Boy won't do his best to turn around this franchise and make it appealing to free agents. This is just the beginning of something that was looooong overdue. I can honestly say I think the future is going to be bright under Leonsis and he gets a clean slate to start with. Embrace the change people!!!! Think how exciting it would be have a young and energetic squad for once and allow the team to come together and gel. I for one applaud Mr. Grunfeld. Next let's get rid of Jamison and filler for a pick or expiring contracts. DO IT ERNIE!!!!

Also, next summer once the dust settles from free agency and a lot of teams are left holding an empty bag then I start offering up Arenas for a bag of magic beans. I'd seriously consider trading him to the Sixers for Elton Brand. I think Elton still has got some game, just needs to get out of Philly. His deal runs one year shorter than Arenas and he's a low post presence and a banger. Something we haven't had since the days of Ruland and Mahorn. Worst case scenario Ted can undergo a major public image restoration project for Gilbert and showcase him early in the season and try to sucker the Knicks, the Warriors, or the Clippers to trade for him. It can be done!

Posted by: ElBigChroizo | February 12, 2010 11:15 PM | Report abuse

Ernie would make this trade because he doesn't value draft picks!

That's because other than Michael Redd he hasn't drafted a starting player in years.

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | February 12, 2010 11:16 PM | Report abuse

I just wish we could get some draft picks and/or young players with potential. All we're getting is cap relief, which is fine, but it does nothing to help us rebuild. Forget "retooling on the fly", we gotta rebuild.

Posted by: sargeantmofo | February 12, 2010 11:17 PM | Report abuse

Grunfeld is the new Cerrato.

Whoever the next owner is has a heck of a lot of work to do because this franchise has lost every shred of trust. the only player on this roster (besides arenas) post trade worth a darn is mike miller. yeah us, the worst franchise in the nba. i didnt think it was possible but the wizards have now surpassed the 'skins and nats in the race to the bottom.

Posted by: PindarPushkin | February 12, 2010 11:23 PM | Report abuse

caron butler sucked the entire season, he has become almost entirely a jump shooter and when he does drive he gets his shot blocked or turns it over, haywood wasnt going to resign at his age in a rebuilding situation and we all know deshawn is done, we get back all expiring contracts and we hold the option on howard so if he plays great the rest of the year its our decision, now we need to trade jamison and in the offseason we can trade arenas to the knicks when no big names sign there or buy out the contract or attempt to void it all together. hopefully we take our time and build it right like the okc thunder, what we cant do is keep putting brand new paint jobs on a beat up old ride

Posted by: billy12 | February 12, 2010 11:34 PM | Report abuse

comparing ernie to cerrato is the dumbest thing i have ever heard, cerrato and snyder always tried the quick fix this trade is the opposite of a quick fix, getting expiring contracts is the only way to rebuild, getting first round picks from the best teams are useless anyway, and if you want them some teams that are drafting late in the first round just give away the picks on draft night anyway so they dont have to pay the luxary tax. if we want late first round picks there will be plenty of opportunity for that

Posted by: billy12 | February 12, 2010 11:44 PM | Report abuse

None of the pending free agents will come here. They are already looking to leave their current situations because they have no help. The Wizards will be no better situation or worse for Wade, Bosh or James. This is not about the summer of 2010.

Posted by: tramellcanady | February 12, 2010 11:59 PM | Report abuse

The deal would provide some major savings for the Wizards, who stand to remove close to $15 million from their 2010-11 payroll.

Larry,

What I've been trying to explain to the people on here about this organization?

I wouldn't have such a problem if Ernie, ETaps and Flip would have been playing the young guys to see if any of them can play in the NBA?

No, they had to play AJ and CB 40 mins a night and DS instead of NY and now we get to Oberto and Boykins play 30 mins a game?

Ernie is going to set this club back a decade.

Wake me up when it's 2020 and we have a real team.

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | February 13, 2010 12:00 AM | Report abuse

look Grunfeld made some nice trades and got some steals Butler and Jamison were steals the issue i have is that if they were willing to trade jamison they needed to do that way before he signed his four year extension also whyin the world did grunfeld signed Stevenson five year extension instead of giving that deal to Roger mason where you have shooting guard already established also he should have traded arenas before all this mess happened now the question is that is jamison have enough of a value that you can trade him for a starting point guard someone like either Eric Maynor of the Jazz or Darren Collison of the Hornets.

Posted by: rmnkevorkian | February 13, 2010 12:05 AM | Report abuse

getting first round picks from the best teams are useless anyway

Posted by: billy12 | February 12, 2010 11:44 PM | Report abuse

billy12,

Don't tell the Spurs they are useless.

The problem is Ernie didn't have a clue how to bring young players along.

That's why he sold the 2nd round draft pick versus drafting Blair.

But we have Oberto and Boykins?

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | February 13, 2010 12:10 AM | Report abuse

How does that 2009 draft day trade look? Miller and Foye for 5th pick (Rubio)? Could have had Brandon Jennings, Demar DeRozan, Johnny Flynn, Jordan Hill or Stephen Curry....geez. Ernie sucks!!

Posted by: tramellcanady | February 13, 2010 12:10 AM | Report abuse

The best thing that could happen is Ted backs out of the deal and Irene gets stuck with this mess.

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | February 13, 2010 12:21 AM | Report abuse

Next years starting lineup

Gil PG
Foye SG
AJ SF
AB PF
JM C

That team gets you what 26 wins?

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | February 13, 2010 12:25 AM | Report abuse

Next years starting lineup

Gil PG
Foye SG
AJ SF
AB PF
JM C

That team gets you what 26 wins?

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | February 13, 2010

It might also get you the top pick in the draft

Posted by: anacostia85 | February 13, 2010 12:30 AM | Report abuse

Hate the fact that we have to trade Caron "Tough Juice" Butler, who really made a name for himself a few season ago. But seeing the situation from Caron's perspective, I suppose the Mavs give him a much better chance at winning a championship than the Wizards, even though Washington competes in the weaker NBA conference. Maybe Butler will regain his form in Dallas provided that he's not asked to come off the bench.

JaVale McGee is not ready to start at center for a team that is competing for a playoff berth but sadly, that isn't the case for the Wizards this season and next season remains a mystery dependent on the offseason acquisition. That said, Haywood is in a similar situation as Tough Juice and might average better statistics on a playoff caliber squad. From a financial perspective, Haywood's contract ends after this season and I doubt he would stay in Washington unless signifcant personnel moves result. After this trade, the draft becomes essential for the Wizards to add a point guard, center, and small forward. That's a tall order for Grunfeld and could lead to his departure if Washington fails to significantly improve next season.

Posted by: rb10br | February 13, 2010 12:37 AM | Report abuse

I'd like to think that the Wizards could get more value than just expiring contracts. Probably wouldn't hurt if the Wizards could also snag Dallas's first round pick next year. It'll be a late selection, but the pick still might have some value.

It's sad that the Wizards need to even consider any deal. But that's part of the business.

Posted by: JPRS | February 13, 2010 12:57 AM | Report abuse

So who will start at center now Blatche or Gooden? i know it won't be JM.

Posted by: anacostia85 | February 13, 2010 1:00 AM | Report abuse

The Pollin family is worried about next year's cap. That's not good news at all.

Posted by: mccaininthemembrane | February 13, 2010 1:21 AM | Report abuse

Very talented rookies on display tonight. If Blair can stay healthy a lot of teams will regret passing on him. He had 22 points and 23 rebounds tonight.

Posted by: anacostia85 | February 13, 2010 2:27 AM | Report abuse

The Wizards only hope is for new ownership and new management. Abe meant well, spent well but usually not wisely. Grunfeld has not drafted a starter since Michael Redd. That was a long time ago. Who is responsible for this mess? Grunfeld. The house cleaning is necessary, but future decisions must come from management that drafts well. Good luck Ted, we need you!

Posted by: JoeC2 | February 13, 2010 3:27 AM | Report abuse

What I see ismany more empty seats--no more sell outs--AND Ernie trading DOWN OR SELLING THE 4TH ROUND PICK FOR CASH. If he trades down he gets nothing worth while. I say keep AJ for the rest of the season and at draft time trade him & Nick young for a 1st round pick with a team that has the 4th-5th-6th pick of the 1st round that will give him 2 1st rounders of some value. Don't bet on this because Ernie has a track record(like last year) of getting no big time plyer.

Posted by: vergens2 | February 13, 2010 3:32 AM | Report abuse

ERNIE MUST GO!!! This mess is entirely his creation. I don't understand what happened to him - he has been channing Wes Unseld. Resigning 33 year old Jamison, rather than 23 year old Josh Smith was absurd. Trading our top 5 draft pick for a UFA in Miller and a RFA in Foye for a team already over the cap = lunacy. Failing to draft Blair to save a few pennies and instead getting an old Argentinian bench warmer with bum knees = inexcusable.

I understand resigning Arenas just not the amount. He could have resigned Arenas for much less because ko other team could get close to the $ the Wiz could offer. But why on earth would one gratuitously throw in extra money on a known head case with a bum knee in an environment whaere it was known that the salary cap was shrinking significantly. That makes an excusable decision - resigning Arenas - inexcusable - because he allocated nearly a third of the payroll on a selfish Allen Iverson-type player who thinks he can play PG, which reau will destroy this team.

Speaking of Gil, VOID THE CONTRACT and go litigate. It's worth it - nearly $90 million at stake - fight to the death to save the franchise.

The Bullets, which Leonsis should change the name back to once he gets rid of Gil and Javaris, need to start stockpiling draft picks. The Mavs deal makes no sense without some young talent or a first round pick being thrown in. You have to get something of value when clearing salary and other teams have done it routinely.

Get rid of all players over age 30 and start rebuilding.

Posted by: BulletsFan1 | February 13, 2010 4:45 AM | Report abuse

Grunfeld's record with number one draft choices:

Knicks: Charlie Ward, Monte Williams, Dontae Jones, Walter McCarthy, John Wallace, John Thomas, Sean Marks, Demarco Johnson and J.R. Koch (one number one pick traded away)

Bucks: Jason Collier, Marcus Haislip, T.J. Ford (one number one traded away)

Wizards: Devin Harris (traded on draft day, Oleskey Pecherov, Nick Young, Javale Mcgee, (2009 number one traded away).

That is an awful legacy anyway you dice it. How many of these guys have had long, productive careers in the NBA? Better yet, how many of those names do you recognize? His best pick, Harris, after his one true steal (Michael Redd with a number two pick), he traded away on draft day.

Help. Someone. Anyone. If there is anyone out there running this team, please relieve Grunfeld of his duties before he does any more damage. As a 30-year suffering Wiz fan, I'd like to know who Grunfeld answers to, who evaluates his job performance, who is he building a team for and using what rebuilding model. Irene Pollin? Leonsis? His own career?

Posted by: SammyT1 | February 13, 2010 4:48 AM | Report abuse

Great time to be buying the Bullets. The franchise is at an all time low. The Polins should take whatever has been offered because they're going to lose big time in arbitration.

Posted by: BulletsFan1 | February 13, 2010 4:51 AM | Report abuse

I wonder if the Polin family is intentionally destroying the franchise before they have to sell it to Leonsis.

The deal is apparently not going well. There's just a lot of stupidity going on with regards to giving talent away with nothing significant to help rebuild.

Posted by: Independent11 | February 13, 2010 6:26 AM | Report abuse

What I see ismany more empty seats--no more sell outs--AND Ernie trading DOWN OR SELLING THE 4TH ROUND PICK FOR CASH.

Posted by: vergens2 | February 13, 2010 3:32 AM

Selling a 4th round pick for cash is a steal, since there is no 4th round of the draft.

The Wizards need to blow this team up - they know it, fans know it and every executive in the league knows it. So they're not getting much in return during a fire sale, except for the cap space they need. This trade would take about 14.6 mil off the books next season - meaning they go into the offseason at 38.6 mil in salary (and that with a full Gil cap hit). They could re-sign Miller and Foye if they want and still have room to bring in someone else - or more if they get some relief when Gilbert is bought out.

We know they'll get screwed in the John Wall lottery, but Wesley Johnson, Derrick Favors or DeMarcus Cousins could be nice additions.

Posted by: Kev29 | February 13, 2010 7:30 AM | Report abuse

I still don't know how I feel about this trade to Dallas, however, if it does go down what happens for the rest of this season. Does NY, AB and JM get heavy minutes (25 - 30 per game). Or do we see Josh Howard and Drew Gooden get those minutes. Does Erin demand that Flip play those guys that were already here. If not then why make the trade?

Posted by: 33dgriffin | February 13, 2010 7:46 AM | Report abuse

Kev29

I have stated many times Gil is a poor man's AI.

The problem is no free agent will sign here as long as Gil has the ball in his hands since they know he is a ball hog.

The Wizards are domed as long as he is on the team.

The best they can hope for is to start stockpiling draft picks, sign the right GM who knows how to draft, get a real director of player development, spend some money on good scouts, hire a coach who is willing to play the young guys (so they can learn how to play the game on the court not just in practice or by sitting on the bench and watching) and hire good assistants who can teach player how the game is supposed to be played?

This team has failed with kal and Etaps philosophy of hoping players develop on their own without any help from the organization.

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | February 13, 2010 7:54 AM | Report abuse

Ernie would make this trade because he doesn't value draft picks!

That's because other than Michael Redd he hasn't drafted a starting player in years.

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | February 12, 2010 11:16 PM | Report abuse

100% agreed! Let Wes do the drafting and get someone else to do the trades.

Posted by: Blurred | February 13, 2010 8:36 AM | Report abuse

His deal runs one year shorter than Arenas and he's a low post presence and a banger. Something we haven't had since the days of Ruland and Mahorn.

Posted by: ElBigChroizo | February 12, 2010 11:15 PM | Report abu

Except of course the two years we had Moses and the years we had Muresan and the years we had the wallaces.

but in the last decade, you are correct.

Posted by: Blurred | February 13, 2010 8:38 AM | Report abuse

"I would not trade Butler for Howard."

They are all going to get traded, you may as well get what you can. It doesn't really matter at this point "who" they get in return, this franchise needs to start over from zero.

"The problem is Ernie didn't have a clue how to bring young players along."

Agree 100%.

Again, at this point it doesn't matter who they get because when Ted takes over he's just going to clean house anyway.

If it were me, I would be looking at draft picks along with bodies but EG is not that smart. He wants young players. Why?

You are NOT going to get players that you can "build" around when all you are doing is dumping salaries.

EG is not very smart when it comes to building teams, he should be the first one shown the door when Ted takes over.

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | February 13, 2010 8:38 AM | Report abuse

look Grunfeld made some nice trades and got some steals Butler and Jamison were steals the issue i have is that if they were willing to trade jamison they needed to do that way before he signed his four year extension also whyin the world did grunfeld signed Stevenson five year extension instead of giving that deal to Roger mason where you have shooting guard already established also he should have traded arenas before all this mess happened now the question is that is jamison have enough of a value that you can trade him for a starting point guard someone like either Eric Maynor of the Jazz or Darren Collison of the Hornets.

Posted by: rmnkevorkian | February 13, 2010 12:05 AM | Report abuse

I love meth! Actually i love Eric maynor, and Collison, just couldn't read that far cuz there was no punctuation.

Posted by: Blurred | February 13, 2010 8:40 AM | Report abuse

And Maynor hasn't played with the Jazz for months.

Posted by: Blurred | February 13, 2010 8:44 AM | Report abuse

Get rid of all players over age 30 and start rebuilding.

Posted by: BulletsFan1 | February 13, 2010 4:45 AM | Report abuse

At the end of the season, that would be jamison. Every other "old" player is free agent.

Posted by: Blurred | February 13, 2010 8:45 AM | Report abuse

"The Wizards are domed (sic) as long as he [Arenas] is on the team."

Bullitsfan78.

I second the motion. All in favor say "Aye."

The cancer grows, but at least we'll have wiggle room at the top before the deadline. This is strictly a salary dump to get away from the tax. We should immediately sign D-MAC and MIKE MILLER.

With JAMES, BOYKINS, OBERTO, and CRITTENTON out the door this summer, we can start over once again.

This process will go nowhere until we have a true NBA presence at the #5. That's why HAYWOOD hurts so much. He's the closest thing we've got. McGEE and BLATCHE are strictly situational centers not everyday ones.

It appears we are receiving the WRONG Mr. HOWARD. SUPERMAN would fix all our ills. C'est le vie.

Posted by: glawrence007 | February 13, 2010 8:46 AM | Report abuse

TERRIBLE trade idea with Dallas. Grunfeld is the problem here. The guy was horrible in NY and is even worse here. He really messed up last year's #1 pick. Can't wait until Ted takes control and starts building a first rate organization..

Posted by: BruinSteve | February 13, 2010 8:54 AM | Report abuse

Excellent Post SammyT1. You nailed it big time my friend. Grunfeld is horrific. I embrace the day the franchise is sold to Leonis and the Bullets return. What a glorious day that will be !!!!

Posted by: BruinSteve | February 13, 2010 9:17 AM | Report abuse

Why is Grunfailed still allowed to do anything?

Posted by: Utilityman1 | February 13, 2010 9:18 AM | Report abuse

None of the pending free agents will come here. They are already looking to leave their current situations because they have no help. The Wizards will be no better situation or worse for Wade, Bosh or James. This is not about the summer of 2010.

Posted by: tramellcanady |

... Yes that would be my concern as well. Why would ANY top free agent consider Washington and this mess??? Need to rebuild with young talent. Need to do what the Orioles are doing: assemble a young nucleus to attract the prime time players

Posted by: BruinSteve | February 13, 2010 9:23 AM | Report abuse

Disaster.

Posted by: onemikeclark | February 13, 2010 9:27 AM | Report abuse

Bad trade on the surface, but will Gooden or Howard even be a Wiz on Friday? Both could get moved in separate trades for a prospect and/or a pick to a team in contention. Then it looks better.

Jameson is on his way out too. No reason to make him suffer through this any longer. The kids on the bench will get their chance to audition for next year.

Posted by: rocky123 | February 13, 2010 9:27 AM | Report abuse

Another sign, hopefully, that Ted L is getting the team. This is his forte, dump and start over. As noted, the players we are getting are rented till the end of year. I'm guessing, also, that the team's price is being adjusted for what Ted will have to eat to get rid of Arenas. After that, the only remaining question is who the GM will be. Ernie might be competent but from a PR point of view, Ted will have to bring in someone else. It could be ugly (extra) in DC for a while. Hopefully Ted and gang find an 'Ovechkin' for the Wizards. Wiz fans deserve to get lucky, they really do. Oh, and as much as Abe might roll over, I hope Ted brings the old name back. Names don't kill people, continuously bad basketball teams do.

Posted by: tslats | February 13, 2010 9:31 AM | Report abuse

"The deal would provide some major savings for the Wizards, who stand to remove close to $15 million from their 2010-11 payroll. "

Those savings would translate into a more attractive EBITDA in the eyes of a prospective buyer.

Which would in turn translate into a better sale price?

Posted by: Samson151 | February 13, 2010 9:32 AM | Report abuse

" Names don't kill people, continuously bad basketball teams do."

LOL so now being a Wiz fan is potentially fatal? Hey, somebody should study the life span of Clips' fans over the last couple decades.

Posted by: Samson151 | February 13, 2010 9:33 AM | Report abuse

"Jameson is on his way out too. No reason to make him suffer through this any longer. The kids on the bench will get their chance to audition for next year."

I don't think Jamison's feelings are of much concern to anybody above Ernie Grunfeld.

Posted by: Samson151 | February 13, 2010 9:35 AM | Report abuse

It was fun watching some of that Rookie-Soph game last evening, won by the West 2,000 to 1,800 or something along those lines. This is what the NBA would be like if you let 22 year old millionaires run things. I'm sure Javale McGee would have blocked a few hundred shots into the hands of his opponents for easy layups. Nick Young would have done a 630 degree whirlybird dunk. And everybody would have quit in the middle of the third quarter in order to stage a Madden tournament in the locker room.

Posted by: Samson151 | February 13, 2010 9:43 AM | Report abuse

any trade the wizards involve themselves in needs to include draft picks. even dallas' pick is good regardless of how low it is. look around the league and see how many star players were not picked with the 1st overall pick. if you can evaluate talent, you can make good decisions and not always be star crossed. joe johnson is a star player not chosen with the 1st overall, so it is done, by those with skill at talent evaluation. put someone with that skill in charge and give him some picks to work with. put coaches on the bench willing to teach young guys how to play and then actually put them on the floor and with patience to let them learn. that's what we all are hoping for. sucker trades for nothing should be only a legacy of the past. management hasn't been very good at trying to sucker other teams anyway. (kwame being the only exception) and the lakers still ended up smelling like a rose, because they are the best at what they do.

Posted by: joerutgens72 | February 13, 2010 10:10 AM | Report abuse

Don't like the Dallas trade. This is similar to the Ray Allen for Gary Payton trade EG pulled off in Milwaukee. Allen enjoyed many productive years after the trade while Payton pretty much say goodbye to Milwaukee after that year. In the end, Milwaukee got nothing and is till a bad team to this day.

Posted by: sagaliba | February 13, 2010 10:13 AM | Report abuse

Well isn't it ironic BulletsFan78, that after what EG does in moving or trading, Butler, Haywood, Jamison, or whomever, that Gilbert Arenas is still going to be left.

But still what is happening now is quite strange to me.

It is like you bought a contractor in to remodel your home and he 'ucked it up. But now you are using that same contractor to start to try and fix it.

I would much rather have that contractor out the door and have him not monkey with anything, until I (Ted Leonsis) came in and called my own shots.

It's said it is urgent to try and get value now for what we have by the trade deadline. I am not inclined to have Grunfield do that.

In Haywood's case I would rather come and bargain directly with him rather than to see Grunfield give him up for less value.

For crying out loud, why would I want to bargain for less value for Haywood. I would much rather see his contract expire, than to have a piece of lesser value on the books that has to be dealt with.

The trade deadline is approaching, but I swear, if I am Ted, it doesn't matter, Ernie would not have the authority to make anymore decisions.

And for those that say that Ted dosen't have any influence now, I would beg to differ.

If I were the current GM and Coach and with the enormous probability of certain ownership by one Mr. Ted Leonsis, I would ensure that I was doing all to maintain my job security.

And on the other hand, does any of this already have Ted's backing?

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | February 13, 2010 10:22 AM | Report abuse

This is what the NBA would be like if you let 22 year old millionaires run things.

Posted by: Samson151 | February 13, 2010 9:43 AM | Report abuse

That's what the Wizards became because they let Gil (a 25 year old millionaire) run the organization for years.

Give Ernie a raise?

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | February 13, 2010 10:22 AM | Report abuse

So is Drew Gooden going to be our starting Center? Miller at #2, and Howard at #3?

Heaven forbid the guys we drafted play?

Posted by: divi3 | February 13, 2010 10:23 AM | Report abuse

Larry,

How about trading Butler for Howard and shipping AJ off for whatever you can get (hopefully a draft pick?)and start foye, miller, McGuire, Blatche, Haywood and have the offense go through the center and get haywood 23 touches a game like Butler has had over the last 2 games and see if he can produce.

If not let im walk at the end of the year.

If he does show some promise (since he only gets 5 shots a game now) than think about resigning him.

Give the man a reason why he would want to stay here.

Go out and sign Robert Parrish as a big man coach. He was 7' kind of soft but knew how to play the game.

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | February 13, 2010 10:31 AM | Report abuse

HATE this move! How can Grunfield expect to have any fans left? Or anyone attending the remaining games?

Posted by: Lisa_R | February 13, 2010 10:31 AM | Report abuse

Ex-Wiz guard Dixon banned in EuropeComment Email Print Share Associated Press

MALAGA, Spain -- Former NBA player Juan Dixon has tested positive for the steroid nandrolone, his Spanish team Unicaja announced.

The player gave the drug test in Greece in November, before he joined the Malaga-based team, Unicaja said on its Web site.

Dixon was informed of the positive result several days ago and the International Basketball Federation decided to suspend him on Friday. His suspension is indefinite until further notice.

Dixon, who won an NCAA championship with Maryland in 2002, played for Washington, Portland, Toronto and Detroit in the NBA.

Posted by: cb50 | February 13, 2010 10:35 AM | Report abuse

This team is a TRAIN WRECK!!

Posted by: tgif11 | February 13, 2010 10:35 AM | Report abuse

What the hell??? Again I ask, are the Wiz brass tanking the season? Again???!!

Let see, EG signs GA to a horrific contract, fires EJ and replaces him with Tapscott, hires Flip Saunders and now is basically giving away Buler and Jamison, but is not sure what they will do with GA??

I am beginning to wonder if EG knows WTF he is doing!!!

Posted by: ivyleague | February 13, 2010 10:43 AM | Report abuse

It seems that this trade scenario boomdogle, is being done from the cookie cutter NBA 101 Manual For How To Rebuild A Team.

A lot of you are saying blow it up and the trade scenarios seem to be in line with that strategy.

I for one don't know the best way to bring this Team to competitive respectability.

However, I don't think that Ernie Grunfield and Flip Saunders does either.

Oh, did not mean to omit the Pollins.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | February 13, 2010 10:45 AM | Report abuse

Sorry, I meant Butler and Haywood. Oh yeah, lets not forget, he's trying to send Jamison to the Cavs. And we are left with a team of underacheiving rookies who sometimes don't seem like they know WTH they are doing! Great job!

Posted by: ivyleague | February 13, 2010 10:46 AM | Report abuse

"and get haywood 23 touches a game like Butler has had over the last 2 games and see if he can produce."

Quick question, have you ever watched Haywood play in an nba game before?

Posted by: divi3 | February 13, 2010 10:46 AM | Report abuse

I'm confused. The last time I was here everyone was saying blow it up and talking about how wonderful cap room is.

Here is a trade that does both...and nobody likes it.

I just think people like complaining.

Posted by: SDMDTSU | February 13, 2010 11:00 AM | Report abuse

Larry,

How about trading Butler for Howard and shipping AJ off for whatever you can get (hopefully a draft pick?)and start foye, miller, McGuire, Blatche, Haywood and have the offense go through the center and get haywood 23 touches a game like Butler has had over the last 2 games and see if he can produce.

If not let im walk at the end of the year.

If he does show some promise (since he only gets 5 shots a game now) than think about resigning him.

Give the man a reason why he would want to stay here.

Go out and sign Robert Parrish as a big man coach. He was 7' kind of soft but knew how to play the game.

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | February 13, 2010 10:31 AM

BulletsFan78,

That would be too much like fitting a system to the players that you have.

That would be a first step to making a success of what you have.

Flip Saunders is hell bent on proving that his system works.

What you propose is something that would require a coach like Mark Jackson for LOL.

But guess what, It just might work.

I knew a college football coach and whom was like Vince Lombardi in practice literally.

He always had successful winning seasons and an abundance of players that came out for his team.

His practices were tough, grueling, and extremely demanding, but gametime was easy and they mauled teams from hard clean play.

On his team, development was not an option, it was entrenched in his system.

Believe it or not BF78 development can be had just by letting a player play. However, it starts in practice first and by quality coaching leadership as you know.

The bench develops nothing, which has seemed to be a staple of this franchise.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | February 13, 2010 11:08 AM | Report abuse

I thought everyone wanted to blow this team up? Butler at 29 or 30 has peaked as a player in my opinion. I think Haywood wasn't re-signing here anyways. Maybe it's time to start fresh. These guys were good players for us but they may need a change in scenary. We need a fresh new mix of players to the Wizards.


Posted by: dcwizard | February 13, 2010 11:09 AM | Report abuse

I'm confused. The last time I was here everyone was saying blow it up and talking about how wonderful cap room is.

Here is a trade that does both...and nobody likes it.

I just think people like complaining.

Posted by: SDMDTSU

I just dont want to see half-season rentals further stunt the development of our young, under-contract, players. Inexcusable to end the season without a clear sense of direction in regards to NY, AB, and JM

Posted by: divi3 | February 13, 2010 11:12 AM | Report abuse

"I would not trade Butler for Howard."

You're not trading Butler for Howard. You're trading Butler for Howard and $10 million next season. There's a reason why Bill Simmons writes that the NBA stands for No Benjamins Association - everyone is downsizing, except the teams that are true contenders.

Personally, though I like both of them, I'd rather see Jamison moved since he's a defensive liability and he's got a massive contract. We need to get younger, tougher and cheaper at 4.

Posted by: Kev29 | February 13, 2010 11:17 AM | Report abuse

I just dont want to see half-season rentals further stunt the development of our young, under-contract, players. Inexcusable to end the season without a clear sense of direction in regards to NY, AB, and JM

Posted by: divi3 | February 13, 2010 11:12 AM | Report abuse

Understandable. They have to get something back. His contract is expiring. Hell they might not even keep Gooden or whoever else. Only one we know is going to play is Howard.

Besides 32 games isn't going to stunt their growth. You should see more of them after the deadline and you'll definitely see plenty next season. LOL

Posted by: SDMDTSU | February 13, 2010 11:20 AM | Report abuse

But still, whatever happens, I just can't see how anyone thinks that Flip Saunders is the man for the job.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | February 13, 2010 11:27 AM | Report abuse

"It is like you bought a contractor in to remodel your home and he 'ucked it up. But now you are using that same contractor to start to try and fix it."

Well put, Larry.

I think the problem is that that there's no one at home to supervise the contractor or hold him accountable. Grunfeld trashed the home and still has a wrecking ball in the living room while ownership is sipping pina coladas and doing the cha-cha-cha in Aruba.

There may not even be an owner in charge of Grunfeld. I suspect that Abe, due to his long illness, just let Grunfeld run the show for a good year and half without holding him accountable or getting very involved. I suspect there isn't anyone in the family who knows enough about basketball to challenge or direct Grunfeld since his passing. All we get is the occasional, nebulous 'The Pollin Family says this', 'the Pollin Family says that'. Who? Who in that family is directing the team and Grunfeld? Do they have any demonstrable basketball acumen? What is their hope for the team? Is it to have a fire sale of underachieving players to make it more attractive/expensive to/for Leonsis? If so, is that in the fan's best interest? Do they want to improve it now, or to build the best possible franchise over the long term, even though their financial interest in it is coming to an end? There has been no ownership articulation of any short or long-term team strategy, despite long-suffering fans suffering through two awful seasons and the Arenas fiasco. Shameful.

Is Ted pulling the shots in anticipation of taking the team over and asking Grunfeld to clean the decks? It is possible he has told the Pollins he will pay their high asking price if it comes to it, but that he would rather wait for the independent assessor to settle a possibly lower price first. That would effectively put him in charge, which might explain Grunfeld's fire sale. If that is the case, why does Ted trust Ernie, who has assembled a bottom five lottery team - and bloated the payroll to boot - to be in charge of making personnel decisions?

It's bad enough that this team is so awful, but it also appears to have no owner, no plan and no direction. I have no idea who is calling the shots, what their interest is in the team, whether it is purely short-term slash-and-burn financial. Most importantly, I don't know why Grunfeld hasn't been summarily fired for his performance everyone but kalo-rama agrees has been disastrous.

Posted by: SammyT1 | February 13, 2010 11:36 AM | Report abuse

We need to get younger, tougher and cheaper at 4.

Posted by: Kev29 | February 13, 2010 11:17 AM

Haywood to Portland for Juwan, Steve Blake, and Dante Cunningham. Juwan and Blake are expiring, and Cunningham is a young PF who is showing promise and has a salary of $457K

Posted by: divi3 | February 13, 2010 11:50 AM | Report abuse

The Wizards will have the ability to rent their cap space much like OKC has done, so that's a positive. And getting rid of Haywood is good too. Would of been nice to see the team get the rights to an overseas prospect, like Nick Calathes, but he's probably not worth the $4 mil. Stevenson will get next year.

Posted by: djnnnou | February 13, 2010 12:12 PM | Report abuse

A lot of people may want to kill Ernie on this trade but it seems like it is more likely a case of the Pollin family trying to save money and raise the value of the franchise with some cost cutting for this year and next.

No way Ernie makes this trade otherwise. As much as his moves have looked like crap lately he is still a good GM and this just doesn't make sense otherwise.

Either way, its another body blow to whats left of this teams beaten fan base.

Posted by: lavar609 | February 13, 2010 12:16 PM | Report abuse

The only thing that I am certain about is that I will be giving up my four center court season tickets after this year. Without a new ownership group in place, the current general manager will remain and the need to trim the salary will be the primary goal of any deal. After twenty years, I sadly give up.

Posted by: larryrob | February 13, 2010 12:19 PM | Report abuse

And Maynor hasn't played with the Jazz for months.

Posted by: Blurred | February 13, 2010 8:44 AM

That would be hard to do since he is a member of the Thunder now.

Posted by: anacostia85 | February 13, 2010 12:19 PM | Report abuse

Would of been nice to see the team get the rights to an overseas prospect, like Nick Calathes

Posted by: djnnnou | February 13, 2010 12:12 PM

Could have just drafted him in the second round last Summer, instead of selling the pick. Or could have taken Derrick Brown (good rook for Bobcats, a franchise that has zoomed past us in spite of their uncertain finances), or Dante Cunningham, or Sam Young, or DeJuan Blair, or Jonas Jerebko, or Jodie Meeks, or Marcus Thornton. Damn, that was a pretty good second round. Thanks Ernie.

Posted by: Kev29 | February 13, 2010 12:26 PM | Report abuse

A note on player development.

Their is a blogger here whom brings up ever now and then the fact that Blatche doesn't have any muscle definition and doesn't know what a weight room is.

I would not presume that any NBA player that knows anything about the game would not use a weight room.

That being said I do know that muscle definition is not always achieved from weight lifting in all body types.

Weight lifting in certain body types develops lean muscle mass that does not always translate to the high definition in some as it does in others.

There are numerous players and weight lifters that just by looking at them you would not know they have weight lifting regimen.

I once had a supervisor that had a daily weight lifting regimen religiously 5-days a week. All he had to show for it was a lean body physique.

He was always taken aback that he never achieved the rounded muscle definition that he worked so hard to attain.

Larry Bird, Bob McAdoo, and numerous other players never exibited muscle definition, but I am sure they worked hard in the weight room.

For this one blogger to keep indicating that some Wizard players are not self motivated and that Blatche is not a weight lifter because he dosen't have muscle definition is disengenuios.

Left to his comments and others, you would believe that Blatche just shows up for gametime and dosen't do anything to better his game off the court. Like comments have been pointed at Brendan Haywood.

It is apparent to me that the players on this team are more self motivated than some bloggers are willing to give them credit for.

But the real questions is, how self motivated has the organization been to install a code of discipline, demand and practice player development, other than what the players do themselves?

One that continues to believe that this area of resposibility is mainly the players
leaves way to much to chance.

And we see what chance has gotten us.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | February 13, 2010 12:32 PM | Report abuse

If you are bailing on your seasons, good riddance to you. I've been a fan my entire 33 years on this earth and I will continue to root for the Wizards. This is just a realization that the team that was assembled for a run, however misguided that notion was, didn't work. The problem this team experienced for so many years during the 80's, 90's and 00's is that the front office and ownership always tried to appease the fans by bringing in veterans and assembling teams that were never good enough to compete for a championship and never bad enough to get the necessary high picks to build the right way. The Wizards have been snakebitten for too long. From Bob Ferry to Wes Unseld to John Nash to Michael Jordan to Ernie Grunfeld. Bad draft picks, bad free agent signings, career ending injuries, and bad behavior from franchise players. Its time to nuke the roster. By the time the sale is complete, if it ever gets completed, Ernie will be out of here. A new braintrust will run this organization. The day Teddy Boy signs the paperwork, it will be a break from the past and embracing the future. I'm completely excited about the future. Flip Saunders will resign the day the season is over if not sooner. That's a given. The cap space is a move in the right direction. Sure Wade, James, and Bosh probably won't be coming here. We need to focus on the future. Depending on how the ping pong ball bounces, that will be a piece to the puzzle. Play the kids. See who will sink or swim. Keep the good players get rid of the bad ones. Free agency 2010? Nah. Let's look down the road at the next great group. Lets assemble an exciting team in the vain of the Thunder, Grizzlies, and Blazers. Sure it might be ugly, sure it might be painful, yeah its gonna be quite a task. Its gonna be exciting. I'd rather root for a group of fast, young, and athletic players than for old, past there prime vets. Embrace the change people. Good days are right around the corner. People just want to keep this team together and then complain about how bad the team is. In the NBA you must hit rock bottom before you go back up. I'm ready for the adventure to begin.

Posted by: ElBigChroizo | February 13, 2010 12:42 PM | Report abuse

I am shocked at all the negativity. This proposal is a huge upgrade over any of the other rumors. No one got that worked up over the Harrington proposal - but throw in a much better player who plays the right way and everyone freaks out? I get that this is for cap space, etc - but Howard is also very good and plays the way we want everyone to play. A year ago, everyone would have jumped at this trade. Howard is having a bad year - just like CB. But Howard's is due to nagging injuries. CB's is due to.... ? Moping that EJ is gone? Moping that Gil was back? I mean, as just a straight trade, Howard is much better than CB (and 50 times better than Harrington). Again, I know it's for the cap space, but also Howard is a good player. And all of a sudden, all these people who have never posted before are flipping out big time?? That doesn't make any sense.

Posted by: Urnesto | February 13, 2010 12:43 PM | Report abuse

I'm confused. The last time I was here everyone was saying blow it up and talking about how wonderful cap room is.

Here is a trade that does both...and nobody likes it.

I just think people like complaining.


Posted by: SDMDTSU | February 13, 2010 11:00 AM | Report abuse

SDMDTSU

I am one of the people who would like to see the team do a total makeover, the reason "I" don't like the trade is because we aren't getting a draft pick.

If Dallas likes Butler and they think he will help them in the playoffs at least get a late 1st round pick.

What good is trying to rebuild with out draft picks?

What are the Wizards going to do with the money they save?

Sign more guys like Boykins and Oberto?

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | February 13, 2010 12:44 PM | Report abuse

Why is Grunfailed still allowed to do anything?

Posted by: Utilityman1 | February 13, 2010 9:18 AM | Report abuse

Because he's got to clean up his own puke before he leaves. The current ownership does not want to be hit with a luxury tax, and EG created the problem. So he's being told to fix it.

Moving JAMISON's and ARENAS's contracts are the answer to the monetary problem, but the other owners are not stupid enough to bail the WIZ out by taking either. They will however suck the meat off the bones ala HAYWOOD and BUTLER, leaving the franchise with only a skeleton as a result.

HOWARD and GOODEN are just rentals until the season is over as LEE has said. At least this move allows the franchise to ink MILLER and McGUIRE. That's a start.

Next year's roster would be wide-open. Of course the cancer of ARENAS' contract continues to exist, and I don't see any way out of his resuming play in D.C., short of a buy-out.

Just too much money for that. He will play out the string IMHO as a WIZARD, or at the very least, until his player option, which comes at the end of the 2012 season. That option is almost 21 million.

Would anyone offer more? Depends on how he does over the course of the next two seasons. Does anyone think a team concept will be pursued in that case. or will his stats be padded to make GIL more attractive to the league? I'm betting padded, but I'm a cynic.

Next year's roster under contract

ARENAS.....17.731
JAMISON....13.359
BUTLER.....10.562
STEVENSON..
FOYE
BLATCHE
YOUNG
McGEE

Posted by: glawrence007 | February 13, 2010 12:48 PM | Report abuse

1 New Jersey John Wall Fr.
2 *Minnesota Evan Turner Jr.
3 Golden St. Wesley Johnson Jr.
4 Sacramento Donatas Motiejunas
5 Washington Derrick Favors Fr.
6 Detroit Al-Farouq Aminu So.
7 Indiana DeMarcus Cousins Fr.
8 *Utah Cole Aldrich Jr.
9 Philadelphia Patrick Patterson
10 LA Clippers Ed Davis So.
11 Milwaukee Greg Monroe So.
12 Memphis Larry Sanders Jr.
13 New Orleans Damion James

Posted by: ElBigChroizo | February 13, 2010 12:49 PM | Report abuse

"and get haywood 23 touches a game like Butler has had over the last 2 games and see if he can produce."

Quick question, have you ever watched Haywood play in an nba game before?

Posted by: divi3 | February 13, 2010 10:46 AM | Report abuse

Yes, I've seen him play on this team that never runs a play for him.

The ball never goes inside the players around him shoot the ball from the outside or Gil would drive and thrown up a shot.

Where has that got the Wizards?

Give it a try if it doesn't workout let him walk at the end of the season.

At least he gets 10 rebounds a game that's more than anyone else does unless you count getting their own points?

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | February 13, 2010 12:50 PM | Report abuse

This seems like a smart move: they get a solid player who's having a down year but with potential, another big body and cap room.

As we know, this is a long-term rebuilding process; they're not going to do it overnight.

I wonder if Leonsis is being consulted on any moves?

Posted by: SteveMG | February 13, 2010 12:51 PM | Report abuse

Derrick Favors sounds perfect for the Wiz

From SI:

"He's talented, BUT I HAVENT SEEN HIM PLAY VERY HARD. He should be getting 12 rebounds every night and getting some of them above the square. His motor needs to improve."

Posted by: divi3 | February 13, 2010 12:53 PM | Report abuse

2010 1ST ROUND MOCK
1 Nets John Wall PG
Kentucky, Freshman
2 Timberwolves Evan Turner SG/SF
Ohio State, Junior
3 Warriors Derrick Favors PF/C
Georgia Tech, Freshman
4 Wizards DeMarcus Cousins C
Kentucky, Freshman
5 76ers Ed Davis PF
North Carolina, Sophomore
6 Pistons Al-Farouq Aminu SF/PF
Wake Forest, Sophomore
7 Kings Cole Aldrich C
Kansas, Junior
8 Pacers Wesley Johnson SF/PF
Syracuse, Junior
9 Jazz Patrick Patterson PF
Kentucky, Junior
10 Bucks Willie Warren SG
Oklahoma, Sophomore
11 Clippers Donatas Motiejunas PF/C
Benetton Treviso, International
12 Bulls Stanley Robinson SF/PF
Connecticut, Senior
13 Timberwolves Ekpe Udoh PF/C
Baylor, Junior
14 Raptors Xavier Henry SG
Kansas, Freshman
15 Heat Elias Harris SF/PF
Gonzaga, Freshman
16 Rockets Greg Monroe PF/C
Georgetown, Sophomore
17 Hornets Solomon Alabi C
Florida State, Sophomore
18 Thunder Larry Sanders PF/C
VCU, Junior
19 Grizzlies Quincy Pondexter SF/PF
Washington, Senior
20 Thunder Jan Vesely PF
KK Partizan Belgrade, International
21 Spurs Elliot Williams SG
Memphis, Sophomore
22 Trailblazers Devin Ebanks SF/PF
West Virginia, Sophomore
23 Timberwolves Paul George SF/PF
Fresno State, Sophomore
24 Magic Gordon Hayward SF/PF
Butler, Sophomore
25 Nets Kalin Lucas PG
Michigan State, Junior
26 Hawks Sherron Collins PG
Kansas, Senior
27 Grizzlies Gani Lawal PF/C
Georgia Tech, Junior
28 Celtics Damion James PF
Texas, Senior
29 Grizzlies James Anderson SG/SF
Oklahoma State, Junior
30 Cavaliers Artsiom Parakhouski C
Radford, Senior

Posted by: ElBigChroizo | February 13, 2010 12:56 PM | Report abuse

Rumor has it if Ernie is the GM next year he will trade the 1st round pick and Jamison to the Bulls for Hinrich and Salmons.

Ernie said "they are both very versatile and who needs a young promising player?"

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | February 13, 2010 12:59 PM | Report abuse

ARENAS.....17.731
JAMISON....13.359
BUTLER.....10.562

Posted by: glawrence007 | February 13, 2010 12:48 PM

STEVENSON....$4,151,786
FOYE....$4,795,095
BLATCHE....$3,260,331
YOUNG....$2,630,503
McGEE.....$1,601,040

Posted by: Kev29 | February 13, 2010 1:01 PM | Report abuse

B78-

you are letting your crush on him get in the way of the obvious- namely that 23 touches would result in 10 TOs. The guy has been in the league 9yrs and probably scored 20pts less than 10x. But perhaps he's secretly a franchise Center who just never had plays run for him?

Time to let go, whole team is busted, at least the guys you loathe are being shipped out along with the one you like

Posted by: divi3 | February 13, 2010 1:01 PM | Report abuse

"He's talented, BUT I HAVENT SEEN HIM PLAY VERY HARD. He should be getting 12 rebounds every night and getting some of them above the square. His motor needs to improve."

Posted by: divi3 | February 13, 2010 12:53 PM

And remember, anyone who comes to you from Paul Hewitt will have to be taught how to play basketball all over again.

Posted by: Kev29 | February 13, 2010 1:04 PM | Report abuse

Ted is not the owner of the team & Grunfeld is the GM - so any scenerios that negate either fact SHOULD not factor in the decisions being made TODAY that at all...

The rest of this season is borrow time towards something even more confusing & horrible once the final game is played. If you think the Wizards are givnig you a headache now, just wait...

Butler & Haywood for cap space... delightful... *insert sarcastic eye roll here*

Posted by: 2StepsAway | February 13, 2010 1:06 PM | Report abuse

2009/2010 Salaries and Expected Future Earnings

Gilbert Arenas
$16,192,080
$17,730,694
$19,269,308
$20,807,922
$22,346,536
Antawn Jamison
$11,641,095
$13,358,905
$15,076,715
$0
$0

Caron Butler
$9,780,970
$10,561,960
$0
$0
$0

Mike Miller
$9,750,000
$0
$0
$0
$0

Mike James
$6,466,600
$0
$0
$0
$0

Brendan Haywood
$6,000,000
$0
$0
$0
$0

DeShawn Stevenson
$3,886,928
$4,151,786
$0
$0
$0
Randy Foye
$3,575,761
$4,795,095
$0
$0
$0
Andray Blatche
$3,000,000
$3,260,331
$3,520,661
$0
$0
Fabricio Oberto
$2,100,000
$0
$0
$0
$0
Nick Young
$1,714,800
$2,630,503
$3,695,857
$0
$0
JaVale McGee
$1,496,640
$1,601,040
$2,462,399
$3,494,144
$0
Javaris Crittenton
$1,477,920
$0
$0
$0
$0
Earl Boykins
$1,204,841
$0
$0
$0
$0
Dominic McGuire
$825,497
$0
$0
$0
$0
Paul Davis
$66,514
$

Posted by: ElBigChroizo | February 13, 2010 1:08 PM | Report abuse

Not sure I totally like this trade. We're dumping all of these salaries but obtaining NO picks. Picking up expiring contracts are great, but what talent will the Wizards have after the team is blown up? We need PICKS!! How does this benefit the fans??? The only party benefited here is management. People keep talking about free agents coming here. Do you believe Wade or Stoudemire or Bosh would come to a team that has been totally stripped of talent without multiple picks? I won't even mention LeBron. Those players can get max money anywhere. If they leave their teams, they are going to pick the situation that will get them closest to a championship. So again I ask, "What's in it for the fans?"

Posted by: hamptonpirates89 | February 13, 2010 1:22 PM | Report abuse

John Wall
H: 6' 4"
W: 195 lbs
Bday: 09/06/1990
(19 Years Old)
High School: Word Of God Christian Academy
Hometown: Raleigh, NC
Best Case: Derrick Rose At Full Potential
Worst Case: 6-4 Version Of Kyle Lowry

Evan Turner
H: 6' 7"
W: 205 lbs
Bday: 10/27/1988
(21 Years Old)
High School: St. Joseph's HS
Hometown: Chicago, IL
Best Case: Brandon Roy
Worst Case: Anthony Parker

Derrick Favors
H: 6' 10"
W: 246 lbs
Bday: 07/15/1991
(18 Years Old)
High School: South Atlanta
Hometown: Atlanta, GA
Best Case: Antonio McDyess In Prime
Worst Case: Chris Wilcox

DeMarcus Cousins
H: 6' 11"
W: 270 lbs
Bday: 08/13/1990
(19 Years Old)
High School: LeFlore High School
Hometown: Birmingham, AL
Best Case: Taller Al Jefferson
Worst Case: Derrick Coleman On His Worst Days

Al-Farouq Aminu
H: 6' 8"
W: 210 lbs
Bday: 09/21/1990
(19 Years Old)
High School: Norcross HS
Hometown: Norcross, GA
Best Case: Josh Smith
Worst Case: Thaddeus Young

Cole Aldrich
H: 6' 11"
W: 250 lbs
Bday: 10/31/1988
(21 Years Old)
High School: Bloomingston Jefferson HS
Hometown: Bloomington, MN
Best Case: Rich Man's Joel Przybilla
Worst Case: Josh Boone

Ed Davis
H: 6' 9"
W: 215 lbs
Bday: 06/05/1989
(20 Years Old)
High School: Benedictine HS
Hometown: Richmond, VA
Best Case: Al Horford
Worst Case: More Physically Gifted Udonis Haslem

Wesley Johnson
H: 6' 7"
W: 195 lbs
Bday: 07/11/1987
(22 Years Old)
High School: Corsicana/Patterson
Hometown: Corsicana, TX
Best Case: Shawn Marion
Worst Case: Travis Outlaw

Patrick Patterson
H: 6' 8"
W: 223 lbs
Bday: 03/14/1989
(20 Years Old)
High School: Huntington
Hometown: Huntington, WV
Best Case: Carl Landry
Worst Case: Kris Humphries

Dontas Motiejunas
H: 7' 0"
W: 215 lbs
Bday: 09/20/1990
(19 Years Old)
High School:
Hometown: Kaunas, Lithuania
Best Case: Andrea Bargnani
Worst Case: Channing Frye

Posted by: ElBigChroizo | February 13, 2010 1:23 PM | Report abuse

What's left for the fans is the excitement of watching new, young, and athletic players developing under a new coaching staff. Putting a team together the right way. Have a couple of bad seasons accumulate picks and clear salaries. Develop the young players. Build a team and fill in the pieces in 2 -3 seasons with free agents. Circle Kevin Durant and target him. Maybe he wants to come home. If not prepare for the next wave of free agents to mix with our acumulated young talent.

Posted by: ElBigChroizo | February 13, 2010 1:27 PM | Report abuse

"Posted by: ElBigChroizo | February 13, 2010 1:27 PM"

Those evals of draftees -- some of them are pretty far off. Wesley Johnson turning into Shawn Marion? I don't think so. Cole Aldrich as Joel Przybilla? Unlikely. Ed Davis would need a whole-butt transplant to ever resemble Horford or Haslem.

And I'm hoping 'chroizo' is simply a typo...

Posted by: Samson151 | February 13, 2010 1:54 PM | Report abuse

"and get haywood 23 touches a game like Butler has had over the last 2 games and see if he can produce."

Quick question, have you ever watched Haywood play in an nba game before?

Posted by: divi3 | February 13, 2010 10:46 AM | Report abuse

Yes, I've seen him play on this team that never runs a play for him.

The ball never goes inside the players around him shoot the ball from the outside or Gil would drive and thrown up a shot.

Where has that got the Wizards?

Give it a try if it doesn't workout let him walk at the end of the season.

At least he gets 10 rebounds a game that's more than anyone else does unless you count getting their own points?

Posted by: bulletsfan78

BF78, I think the reason they don't run any plays for him is that he doesn't have a high offensive skill level, at least for scoring. He doesn't have any consistent post-up moves.

I think what divi is referring to is that if you have seen Haywood play, and seen him try to make a move, or a jump-hook, or a turn-around jumper on the block, he looks really awkward, and the success rate is low when he makes his own moves.

He is ok at finishing when someone else penetrates and creates an opportunity for him, but on his own, well, he flat-out stinks. He has NO touch around the basket. It's akin to asking why they don't run any offensive plays for McGuire when he is in the game.

It's been nice to see Haywood play better D, rebound harder, and defend the rim more, but it's disappointing that after nine years in the league, he still hasn't developed even the most rudimentary post moves.

Posted by: ts35 | February 13, 2010 2:12 PM | Report abuse

Kal,

What's wrong?

Won't your mother let you go on your computer today?

For a guy who talks a lot about succeeding on their own, how come you are in your mid 40’s and still live in his mother's basement?

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | February 13, 2010 2:17 PM | Report abuse

"...the reason "I" don't like the trade is because we aren't getting a draft pick."

I agree, but how many players has EG drafted that's worked out for the Wiz?

None, because he's not a good GM.

EG deserves to be fired. You can't build a team without picks, you can't win with a team of Earl Boykins'.

The Wiz should be asking for picks, even if they are 2nd rounders. To me that's getting something of value.

We all knew this team would be blown up and I have no issues with trading everyone away. But at least get some picks...sheesh!

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | February 13, 2010 3:05 PM | Report abuse

I'm not saying Haywood will become Shaq or Howard.

Considering the Wizards are already going to get cap relief if Haywood walks at the end of the season why give him to Dallas for nothing but cap relief?

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | February 13, 2010 3:23 PM | Report abuse

I'm hearing that there are several teams interested in trading for Amare Stoudemire, and I wonder if the Wiz are one of them.

But I doubt it. Ernie grunfeld is an incompetent who would rather stockpile G/F tweeners rather than try to invest in a legitimately talented big man.

I mean why would we have any interest in a 5x All-Star who is 27 years old and a legitimate paint-dominating PF???

Instead we are going to trade away our most tradeable assets to Dallas for a G/F 'tweener, Drew Gooden and the Dallas-bench-poo-poo-platter.

Posted by: p1funk | February 13, 2010 3:23 PM | Report abuse

Amare is a wonderful player but seriously, why would the Wiz trade for him? He'd be unhappy from the outset. He wants huge $$ and to play for a contender that emphasizes offense. The Wiz might have looked like that team in the preseason, but not now.

Posted by: Samson151 | February 13, 2010 3:35 PM | Report abuse

Another bad decision by Ernie, can we trade him?

Posted by: Gooddad | February 13, 2010 3:37 PM | Report abuse

Something tells me Amare would settle for huge $$$, contender or not.

Posted by: tgif11 | February 13, 2010 3:40 PM | Report abuse

"Something tells me Amare would settle for huge $$$, contender or not."

I think that's probably true. But it's also most likely a moot point, since he's in a position where he won't have to choose between the two. Teams better than the Wizards have any realistic chance of being next year will be more than willing to match whatever Washington might offer him.

Posted by: kalo_rama | February 13, 2010 3:53 PM | Report abuse

I, like a lot of you, am frustraed that the Wizards are not competitive, but unlike most of you, I am resigned to the fact that the run is over, and it is time to retool. Since the story broke, folks have been calling into the local radio shows and saying how they shouldn't trade Caron and Brendan. Simply put, Brendan has been here 10 yrs and this is finally has break out season (btw it's a contract year) Caron cannot consistently score against or defend the elite SF's in the league. Some of you knock Josh Howard and Gooden, but before the ankle injury, Howard was much better (athletically and shooting) than Butler and I remember several games against Cleveland where Gooden got his man against Haywood and Jamison so I have no real problems with it.

Posted by: SkinzNWiz | February 13, 2010 4:00 PM | Report abuse

When the WHOLE league knows you are trying to blow your team up, they offer you peanuts. They know you are desperate for change. Cap space works when you have 2nd tier stars like Joe Johnson who will be available. You have your own 1st rd pick and you can keep building. Rebuilding is a process that takes years. To cut a couple years off of that process you need young veterans which is what the cap space will help you provide to mix in with your draft picks.

Wait until all the moves have been made before you judge. I personally think getting Josh Howard (key to this deal) is worth the win in this trade. Haywood was not going to resign in Washington after having this awesome season. Butler struggles in Flips system. The Wiz can decide to bring Howard back if he reverts to his all star form or clear space off the cap. He and Butler are the same age, same skill set. Gooden is a rest of the season rental, but better than Stevenson.

Lets wait until the season starts next year before judging the moves people. Thats all I'm saying.

Posted by: odash | February 13, 2010 4:15 PM | Report abuse

I wouldn't bank on seeing Josh Howard in a Wiz uniform next season, even if this deal does go down. And even if he is, the difference on-court between him and Butler (when both are healthy and playing at their best) is negligible at best, so I wouldn't consider getting him a big coup.

Best case scenario, (A) Howard plays well enough the rest of the way to raise his stock so the Wizards can move him in an offseason S&T or (B) There's not much offseason interest in him over the summer, which allows the Wizards to sign him at a discount on a shorter deal (maybe 3 years with the second year a player option), giving him the incentive to raise his game next season to put himself in position for a bigger payday.

Posted by: kalo_rama | February 13, 2010 4:22 PM | Report abuse

it is a big coup because of the possibilities he gives the organization. if he fits better in Flips system then they have the chance to keep him and he provides the same as Butler (when Butler was at the top of his game). if not then they can do as you stated in your second paragraph

Posted by: odash | February 13, 2010 4:34 PM | Report abuse

That doesn't make it a big coup. A step forward? Possibly. But it's only one step, and not really that big a one, given that it's all contingent on Howard staying healthy and playing well, something that, at the moment, there is very serious reason to doubt he's capable of. And even if he does raise his stock for trade purposes, he's still not going to be a high in-demand player because, like Butler, he's a 2nd or 3rd tier guy on a good team, so odds are they'll only get 2nd or 3rd tier assets back for him.

Posted by: kalo_rama | February 13, 2010 4:49 PM | Report abuse

I am shocked at all the negativity. This proposal is a huge upgrade over any of the other rumors. No one got that worked up over the Harrington proposal - but throw in a much better player who plays the right way and everyone freaks out? I get that this is for cap space, etc - but Howard is also very good and plays the way we want everyone to play. A year ago, everyone would have jumped at this trade. Howard is having a bad year - just like CB. But Howard's is due to nagging injuries. CB's is due to.... ? Moping that EJ is gone? Moping that Gil was back? I mean, as just a straight trade, Howard is much better than CB (and 50 times better than Harrington). Again, I know it's for the cap space, but also Howard is a good player. And all of a sudden, all these people who have never posted before are flipping out big time?? That doesn't make any sense.

Posted by: Urnesto | February 13, 2010 12:43 PM


Urnesto,


What difference does it make how many times a person has posted here before? I will have to disagree with you on several points:

1.Howard is NOT much better than Caron.

2. Howard is NOT 50 times better than Harrington.

3. Howard does NOT play the way WE want every player to play.

4. A year ago, NOT everyone would have jumped on this trade.

You "claim" that Caron is a moper. I will raise you one by facts that Howard has been an embarrasment to the Mavs. In Aug/2008 he practically bragged about his Marijuana activities. In Sept/2008 he disrespected the NATIONAL ANTHEM! If that didn't sit well in Dallas, how do you think that will sit in DC ?

The fact is Urnesto, Howard is on a serious 4 yr. downslide and if not for the upcoming cap space, he would never sniff a Wizard uniform. Oh, and as far as Caron's moping goes, Howard was "crying" when Devon Harris was dealt to the Nets, which lead many to believe accelerated his downfall. Howard has played sporadicaly over the past several years and the Mavs have only hindsight to wish they had traded him 4 yrs ago.

As for your post, I really don't think anyone should be concerned about your thoughts on first time bloggers, and you shouldn't either. People post what is on their minds. Some factual, some fictional, some informative, some affirmative.

Just dont be "The Guy" who offends people while backing it up with a bunch of CRAP!

Posted by: Raef | February 13, 2010 5:09 PM | Report abuse

I think this is a good trade. We're not getting ripped off. Considering how the entire league knows we're trying to unload players for cap space and young talent, we're not exactly poised to have great trade options. EG is clearing a TON of cap space using a guy we don't want to invest in long term (Butler), a guy who's going to be overpaid next year (Haywood) and a guy who no longer has the skills to play in the NBA (Stevenson). In return we get enough cap space to sign a big name or several established young players next year.

Posted by: jon_quest | February 13, 2010 5:14 PM | Report abuse

This also gets us value for the one guy we basically had to trade right now. Haywood gives us absolutely no value to keep through the season so getting something for him now was essential. We'd get the 6 mil or whatever off the cap, but he's clearly worth more than that to a team competing in the playoffs so we have to trade him now to cash in on that extra value.

Posted by: jon_quest | February 13, 2010 5:17 PM | Report abuse

I think that's probably true. But it's also most likely a moot point, since he's in a position where he won't have to choose between the two. Teams better than the Wizards have any realistic chance of being next year will be more than willing to match whatever Washington might offer him.

Posted by: kalo_rama | February 13, 2010 3:53 PM | Report abuse

Not true. The team that he would be laying for at the end of the season would be holding his bird rights and consequently would be able to give him more cash than any other team in the league.

Posted by: Utilityman1 | February 13, 2010 5:27 PM | Report abuse

Well, I suspect this trade is more about the business aspects of the upcoming sale than it is about the players involved.

Posted by: Samson151 | February 13, 2010 5:35 PM | Report abuse

"Something tells me Amare would settle for huge $$$, contender or not.Posted by: tgif11"

Possibly, but why would the Wiz owners want to fork over ginormous cash for somebody who would quickly become unhappy with the quality of the product on the court?

Not that it hasn't happened, but let's hope Washington is smarter than that.

Posted by: Samson151 | February 13, 2010 5:41 PM | Report abuse

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