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Grunfeld says Wizards will explore all trade options

The team that Wizards President Ernie Grunfeld built last offseason has fallen like a house of cards and now Grunfeld has to decide how or if he should reshuffle the deck. At 17-33, the Wizards have been an unmitigated disaster, with numerous disruptions - including the season-ending suspension of Gilbert Arenas and Javaris Crittenton for bringing guns to the locker room in a dispute last December - derailing what was expected to be a promising season in Washington.

With the Feb. 18 trade deadline approaching, the Wizards are at the epicenter of trade speculation, with rumors each day surrounding Caron Butler, Antawn Jamison and Brendan Haywood, among others. The rumor getting most attention of late is a reported three-team deal involving Houston and New York, which would send Butler and Haywood to the Rockets, Tracy McGrady to the Knicks and Al Harrington to the Knicks Wizards. Other pieces would have to be included in order for the deal to work financially.

Two sources acknowledged that there have been discussions about the trade but added that nothing is imminent. The Wizards are in discussions with several teams, looking to make deals that one person familiar with the talks described as "retooling on fly" as opposed to rebuilding.

When contacted by telephone, Grunfeld would not address any specific rumors, but said that the Wizards "will explore all of our options" when it comes to trades. "This time of year, everybody has conversations. Everybody looks for opportunities to improve, for the present and for the future," he said. "A lot of people are calling, a lot of people are talking and we'll have to wait and see if anything works out for us, if something presents itself we think would be beneficial short term or long term ... we'll take the best path."

Despite a subpar season, Butler appears to be the piece attracting the most attention, with Dallas, New Jersey, Portland and Philadelphia among the teams that have expressed interest, according to league sources. The 76ers would seem to be an intriguing possibility, given Butler's relationship with Philadelphia Coach Eddie Jordan, who helped Butler become a two-time all-star. A league source said that the 76ers' interest began to wane with the team closing out before the break on a 5-1 run, but they could get back in the mix before the deadline.

Cleveland is rumored to be interested in Jamison, with LeBron James reportedly pushing the deal. Two sources confirmed that the teams are in talks but added that the Cavaliers have yet to make an offer to the Wizards.

The franchise is spending $79 million on a unit that has improved only from having the worst record in the Eastern Conference last season to the second-worst record at the all-star break. (Although the team has seen its expected $10 million luxury tax penalty reduced by almost $4 million with the suspensions to Arenas and Crittenton.) The team has numerous shortcomings, but Grunfeld said that he doesn't feel compelled to make a move right now.

"I think we all feel compelled to win as much as we can and whatever the best way to do that, is probably the course we're going to take," he said. "I don't know, it depends on what options we have at the end of the day."

A league source who has spoken recently to Grunfeld said that Grunfeld is aware that the team he assembled didn't work and that the organization has to do something -- and soon. Grunfeld committed to his core group of three all-stars -- Arenas, Butler and Jamison -- with the hope that they could lead the team back into the postseason, but the trio is just 8-14 together this season.

When asked if he still believed that three-man group could win together if they are unable to move one or all of them, Grunfeld said, "Look, there is not a three-man group here. No basketball team is a three-man group. Everybody has to contribute. You have to have 12 guys pulling together. Do I think if this group, if they played together long enough and had time to come together, would they win? Yeah. I think they could. But it hasn't been there, so we'll have to look and evaluate the things that we can do. If we can't do anything now, we can do something in the summer."

By Michael Lee  |  February 11, 2010; 4:46 PM ET
 
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Comments

It should be Al Harrington to the Wizards and I think they are 17-33 now

Posted by: eternale5150 | February 11, 2010 5:12 PM | Report abuse

A league source said that Grunfeld is aware that the team he assembled didn't work and that the organization has to do something - and soon.
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Wholesale changes are coming. No doubt about it. Its better to be crappy in terms of W-L with young players who are developing than aged, former all-stars who take the team into the luxury tax. They would not suffer attendance issues beyond what they will suffer due to Gil's suspension.

-hgr

Posted by: HughGRection | February 11, 2010 5:15 PM | Report abuse

Improving to second worst? Isn't NJ on the way to delivering the WORST season ever in NBA history? Blow it up. Get younger, quicker and play the yongsters we do have.

-hgr

Posted by: HughGRection | February 11, 2010 5:18 PM | Report abuse

Just imagine if we would have taken this approach in the off-season. Hmmmm we could be developing DeJuan Blair 7.5 PPG/6.5 RPG/20 MPG compared to B. Haywood 9.8 PPG/10.3RPG/33MPG. Why didn't we just use our 2nd round draft pick?

More importantly, why did Ernie decide against drafting Tyreke Evans who looks to be the next NBA SUPERSTAR?

Instead now were hoping to trade garbage for Draft picks and wasting another season...is the Wes Unseld curse all-over?

Posted by: DCSportsFan5 | February 11, 2010 5:21 PM | Report abuse

I have tried to give Ernie every single benefit of the doubt I could and some of his moves were good (getting Gil from GS, trading Kwame for Caron, drafting Blatche, McGee, and Young) - but this "proposed trade" has to be the most ludicrious thing I've ever heard.

Harrington is not that good at all - and solves no issues for us. So, we'd have 2 Jamisons then and no one else on the team would get a shot. It's a crazy trade idea and I have to believe some writer made it up. Harrington may be one of the bottom 5 players in the league that we need. I mean, can he really not find a trade with one usable piece?? That trade would accomplish nothing at all and would hurt us for the future. Harrington is a 7th man at best but he'd be acting like he was our superstar.

Posted by: Urnesto | February 11, 2010 5:21 PM | Report abuse

what a waste of time. dude says nothing even when he open his mouth. cant wait to see him go. hoping against all hope that somehow the leonsis sale happens this weekend and grunfeld gets fired immediately before he has the chance to wreck this franchise even further with a bad trade.

Posted by: PindarPushkin | February 11, 2010 5:33 PM | Report abuse

Is the plan to dump all the high salaries and give Leonsis a clean slate?

I hope that's the plan.

Posted by: clandestinetomcat | February 11, 2010 5:38 PM | Report abuse

retooling on the fly? that would mean keeping Arenas, and neither party wants that.

Posted by: divi3 | February 11, 2010 5:41 PM | Report abuse

MJ traded Laron Profit and a conditional 1st round pick for center Brendan Haywood the 20th pick in the draft.

Why would you expect him to become a Ewing, Robinson (David), Jordan, Bird, Magic, Worthy, Hakeem, Duncan, LeBron, Kobe, Nash, Nowitzki, Pierce, Motumbo, Gervin, Mullins or any other top draft pick?

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | February 11, 2010 4:32 PM | Report abuse

I don't expect him to perform like them. I am saying that he was 20th round pick because his conditioning and work ethic were suspect, unlike these guys.

The team may not do much to help players progress, but Haywood could have been better. He could have worked harder, he could have been any number of things. Nobody stopped him but Haywood.

Posted by: Blurred | February 11, 2010 5:38 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Blurred | February 11, 2010 5:43 PM | Report abuse

Washington sends Butler and Haywood to Houston.. Mike James to NY

NY sends Harrington and Larry Hughes to Washington.. Jeffries to Houston

Houston sends McGrady to NY.. Kyle Lowry and 1st round pick to Washington

Then..
Washington sends Jamison and Boykins to Cleveland for Ilgauskas, JJ Hickson and 1st round pick.


Wizards get 2 1st rounders, 2 young players (PF Hickson and PG Lowry), and big expiring deals (Ilgauskas, Hughes, Harrington). Those 3 can also fill in for the departed Haywood, Butler, Jamison for the remainder of the season. Move the disgruntled James in the process.

NY gets McGrady and his huge expiring deal, see if he can regain his game, or open cap space to go for LeBron in the offseason, and move Jeffries' contract and the disgruntled Hughes as well.

Houston adds solid vet starters in their prime in C Haywood and former all-star SF Butler, bench player Jeffries.

Cavs add vets Jamison and Boykins for their push for the title.

Posted by: Darnell1 | February 11, 2010 5:45 PM | Report abuse

"dude [Grunfeld] says nothing even when he open his mouth."

Doubt you're going to see any GMs announce their hopes and plans to the media.

Posted by: fansincebullets | February 11, 2010 5:46 PM | Report abuse

Wizards go into offseason .. Oberto comes off the books, as does Miller, with Harrington, Hughes, Ilgauskas. Also potentially have Arenas' deal terminated.

Have young core of McGee, Blatche, Hickson, McGuire, Young, Foye, Lowry... plus 3 1st round picks.

Posted by: Darnell1 | February 11, 2010 5:51 PM | Report abuse

I'd still like to see BTH sent to portland in exchange for some youngs.

Dante Cunningham would be a very solid pickup, unfortunately they probably wouldnt part with Batum and definitely not with Jerryd Bayless or RudyF

Posted by: divi3 | February 11, 2010 5:56 PM | Report abuse

The Wizards need to rent a starting quality PG if they want the young guys to improve. And Haywood or Miller should be expendable in order to do that.

Posted by: djnnnou | February 11, 2010 6:06 PM | Report abuse

Can we trade Ernie?

Posted by: Gooddad | February 11, 2010 6:08 PM | Report abuse

I see the discussion on the three players being traded.How about trading Grunfeld?After all he was the architect of the Wizards.

Posted by: nickyfree44 | February 11, 2010 6:08 PM | Report abuse

How could it have ever been a good idea to get rid of Rip when all of his numbers improved each year he was here? When you produce you deserve to be rewarded.

Posted by: anacostia85 | February 11, 2010 6:02 PM

Then why didn't the Pistons reward him with a franchise player contract??

You don't pay 116 million over six years (just as an example) to guy who really is worth about 66 million over six years (again, as an example).

Posted by: artiesliver | February 11, 2010 6:13 PM | Report abuse

rip was in the 3rd year of his 4yr rookie deal right? Sound economics would be getting his production at those low prices through all 4yrs...instead we paid Stack close to $13mill for two seasons- more than Rip's entire 4yr deal. Great move MJ!

Posted by: divi3 | February 11, 2010 5:48 PM

Actually, Rip was in the fourth (and therefore, last) year of his deal since he was drafted in 1999. You're right about one thing - great move by MJ! Move a malcontent before selfish "contract year" play affects the rest of the team. Your boy, Arenas, spoke poignantly about this earlier in the season.

Posted by: artiesliver | February 11, 2010 6:16 PM | Report abuse

Doubt you're going to see any GMs announce their hopes and plans to the media.

Posted by: fansincebullets | February 11, 2010 5:46 PM
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actually quite a few say something. houston, dallas and portland's people have all said stuff about those possibilities. or on a more local level, leonsis and mcphee were open and honest with the fans when the caps started to rebuild.

one can clearly say something useful without giving away what exactly theyre doing.

Posted by: PindarPushkin | February 11, 2010 6:16 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: anacostia85 | February 11, 2010 6:29 PM | Report abuse

anacostia85,

It was reported that Rip asked for a max contract from the Wizards since they were calling him their franchise player. They refused.

Posted by: artiesliver | February 11, 2010 6:32 PM | Report abuse

one can clearly say something useful without giving away what exactly theyre doing.

Posted by: PindarPushkin | February 11, 2010 6:16 PM | Report abuse

That's the problem with Ernie he doesn't, have a clue on how to put together a championship team.

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | February 11, 2010 6:34 PM | Report abuse

"I think we all feel compelled to win as much as we can...Grunfeld said

That's why we don't play our young guys?

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | February 11, 2010 6:37 PM | Report abuse

Yeah Rip was a big problem for the Wiz

http://www.nydailynews.com/archives/sports/2001/12/23/2001-12-23_second_to_one__but_michael_t.html

Posted by: anacostia85 | February 11, 2010 6:29 PM

Nice link. Sadly, it makes no reference at all to the money he was reportedly looking to extract from Abe's bank account.

For that you have to fast forward to something like this:

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/playoffs2004/columns/story?columnist=aldridge_david&id=1822595

Posted by: artiesliver | February 11, 2010 6:39 PM | Report abuse

"That's why we don't play our young guys?"

Because playing them will have little to no effect on their odds of winning.

Posted by: kalo_rama | February 11, 2010 6:42 PM | Report abuse

Actually, Rip was in the fourth (and therefore, last) year of his deal since he was drafted in 1999. You're right about one thing - great move by MJ! Move a malcontent before selfish "contract year" play affects the rest of the team. Your boy, Arenas, spoke poignantly about this earlier in the season.

Posted by: artiesliver

You sure about that?

1999-00 Washington Wizards $1,836,240
2000-01 Washington Wizards $1,973,880
2001-02 Washington Wizards $2,111,640
2002-03 Detroit Pistons $2,681,783
2003-04 Detroit Pistons $6,500,000

Looks like he played '02-'03 under his original contract.

Trading Rip for Stack was a terrible move, but hey it was MJ so what can you expect.

Posted by: divi3 | February 11, 2010 6:57 PM | Report abuse

I have zero faith in Grunfeld to get anything meaningful done for the future of this sorry Franchise. Al Harrington, are you kidding me? Caron Butler is a better option as the go to guy here though that is highly debatable.
Their is no way Cleveland will give up Hickson now after seeing great improvement in his game, not to mention that they have beaten the best of the West and their confidence and ability is off the charts. They do not need a very soft Jamison who does not "make em when they count"
Mark my words, Jamison will remain here as the heavy chain around the neck of this poor excuse for a Professionally run Organization.
Haywood is their real bargaining chip here.He is underestimated here as familiarity breeds contempt. Rest assured, that is not how most shrewd GM's and Coaches see him.

We are caught in a similar situation as the Skins after the death of JKC and that is unfortunate. Grunfeld cannot and will not assemble a contender here without Leonsis or Leonsis like Ownership.

Say hello to several years of 25 to 30 win seasons and the stench of a perpetual loser.

Posted by: jshavatt | February 11, 2010 7:04 PM | Report abuse

First, Darnell, I'll have whatever you smoking. It would be great if the Wiz got Hickson, Lowry and two first rounders- but it aint happening. Cleveland is reluctant to give up JJ and Houston is not looking to give back talent.

Second, to those of you who are concerned that the proposed trades wont bring back value. The point is not to get value back- Wiz have no leverage. Instead, the goal should be to create cap space and flexibility so we can get value in the future. I love Jamison and Butler (despite their shortcomings), but its time to realize that the longer we hold onto the current group, the longer it will be until this team wins again.

Posted by: earlech | February 11, 2010 7:05 PM | Report abuse

Looks like he played '02-'03 under his original contract.

Trading Rip for Stack was a terrible move, but hey it was MJ so what can you expect.

Posted by: divi3 | February 11, 2010 6:57 PM

Rip played three full seasons with the Wiz and was was traded September 2002 in the last year of the contract.

With regard to it being a terrible move, I guess you feel it would have been smarter to give him franchise money.

Posted by: artiesliver | February 11, 2010 7:07 PM | Report abuse

I have a trade that could really help the Wizards as well as the Lakers: Arenas for Kobe. Stop laughing and hear me out. Kobe's 31 and Arenas is only 28. Kobe's an East Coast guy while Arenas is a West Coaster; they should return to their roots. Both have been at the center of significant controversies. The Lakers would be taking on a lesser contract w/ Arenas. The president loves basketball and the Lakers should consider it their patriotic duty to have the best player in the game performing in the nation's capital. Arenas' gangsta image will resonate nicely in South Central LA, not far from Staples Center. Kobe might enjoy the challenge of being part of a rebuilding program in Washington...

Posted by: randysbailin | February 11, 2010 7:12 PM | Report abuse

I have a trade that could really help the Wizards as well as the Lakers: Arenas for Kobe. Stop laughing and hear me out. Kobe's 31 and Arenas is only 28. Kobe's an East Coast guy while Arenas is a West Coaster; they should return to their roots. Both have been at the center of significant controversies. The Lakers would be taking on a lesser contract w/ Arenas. The president loves basketball and the Lakers should consider it their patriotic duty to have the best player in the game performing in the nation's capital. Arenas' gangsta image will resonate nicely in South Central LA, not far from Staples Center. Kobe might enjoy the challenge of being part of a rebuilding program in Washington...

Posted by: randysbailin | February 11, 2010 7:12 PM | Report abuse

Artie your link says the "Wizards" said he asked for max money but I don't see where Rip is quoted as asking for max money. Do you have a link that quotes that?

Posted by: anacostia85 | February 11, 2010 7:13 PM | Report abuse

I just don't understand NBA trades. Of course, Houston and Cleveland don't want to give back talent, but how does cap space = all star players?

Posted by: jazapfsp | February 11, 2010 7:15 PM | Report abuse

"More importantly, why did Ernie decide against drafting Tyreke Evans who looks to be the next NBA SUPERSTAR?"

What? Evans went one spot before the Skins' #5 choice.

By the way, Tyreke looked like a different player during a game I saw a week or so ago -- a really tired player. Wonder if that's what's happening to him, the way it did with Mayo last season.

Posted by: Samson151 | February 11, 2010 7:15 PM | Report abuse

"Rip played three full seasons with the Wiz and was was traded September 2002 in the last year of the contract."

2001-02 Washington Wizards $2,111,640
2002-03 Detroit Pistons $2,681,783
2003-04 Detroit Pistons $6,500,000

So his new deal in Detroit paid $2.6mill in it's first year? Sure looks like that '02-'03 salary is the last year of his rook contract doesnt it?

Trading him for Stack (the real malcontent in the situation) was a terrible move.

Posted by: divi3 | February 11, 2010 7:23 PM | Report abuse

Artie your link says the "Wizards" said he asked for max money but I don't see where Rip is quoted as asking for max money. Do you have a link that quotes that?

Posted by: anacostia85 | February 11, 2010 7:13 PM

No, I do not have a link with Rip rebutting the numerous reports after he was traded that indicated he asked the Wiz for a max contract, if that's what your asking. However, I've run across several links with the Wizards saying he did.

For what it's worth, I couldn't find any links quoting Tim Duncan or Kobe Bryant as saying they wanted max contracts from their respective organizations either.

Posted by: artiesliver | February 11, 2010 7:31 PM | Report abuse

It's easy to make good draft picks 6 months after the draft.
I think (and do a number of GM's) that Ernie had one of the best draft deals this year.
Playing wudda shudda cudda with Rip, Rasheed, Mason, Blake etc. is dumb.
I think the most profound of Ernies statements was----"If we can't do anything now, we can do something in the summer."
Get ready for more of the same from the same Wizzies til summer.

Posted by: VBFan | February 11, 2010 7:36 PM | Report abuse

So all I see is that he ended up signing a 7 year 62 million dollar deal surely you won't argue that rip was not worth that. The Wiz are always thinking the grass is greener on the other side hence trading Rip for Stackhouse, Googs for Webber, and ultimately Webber for Richmond. If he left the Wizards it would not have been over money it would be over losing.

Posted by: anacostia85 | February 11, 2010 7:36 PM | Report abuse

So his new deal in Detroit paid $2.6mill in it's first year? Sure looks like that '02-'03 salary is the last year of his rook contract doesnt it?

Trading him for Stack (the real malcontent in the situation) was a terrible move.

Posted by: divi3 | February 11, 2010 7:23 PM

Can you read or not?

Rip played his first year in Detroit on the last year of his rookie contract, not the third year of his contract as you posted earlier.

It would have been utterly stupid on the part of the Wizards to even entertain any thoughts of giving him max money.

Posted by: artiesliver | February 11, 2010 7:37 PM | Report abuse

Artie your link says the "Wizards" said he asked for max money but I don't see where Rip is quoted as asking for max money. Do you have a link that quotes that?

Posted by: anacostia85 | February 11, 2010 7:13 PM

No, I do not have a link with Rip rebutting the numerous reports after he was traded that indicated he asked the Wiz for a max contract, if that's what your asking. However, I've run across several links with the Wizards saying he did.

For what it's worth, I couldn't find any links quoting Tim Duncan or Kobe Bryant as saying they wanted max contracts from their respective organizations either.

Posted by: artiesliver | February 11, 2010 7:31 PM

Well you called him a malcontent who wanted a max contract unless you personally know him or someone on the team at the time or can produce a quote that is an inaccurate statement. The most he would have gotten was 10 million a year at the max salary. and at that it would not have been terrible to pay him.

Posted by: anacostia85 | February 11, 2010 7:40 PM | Report abuse

If he left the Wizards it would not have been over money it would be over losing.

Posted by: anacostia85 | February 11, 2010 7:36 PM

Who? Rip?

He did not want to be traded so I'm not sure I know what/who you're talking about.

The money Rip ultimately got from Detroit was about right in my opinion.

Posted by: artiesliver | February 11, 2010 7:42 PM | Report abuse

Artie you said he was a malcontent who wanted max money and that we should have traded him

Posted by: anacostia85 | February 11, 2010 7:46 PM | Report abuse

We paid Stackhouse $13mill for two sorry years, instead of Rip $2.6mill for 1yr with the possibility of re-signing him to a good deal at any point along the way. Or is the smart move to trade any player you dont have re-signed before they're in their last year?

It was a retarded trade, but MJ is more fool than astute as a GM- so that's what we got.

Posted by: divi3 | February 11, 2010 7:51 PM | Report abuse

http://www.cbc.ca/sports/story/2002/07/26/hamilton020726.html

Washington Wizards shooting guard Richard Hamilton has asked his team to extend his contract prior to next summer, when he is scheduled to become a free agent.

Hamilton, who is likely to be the Wizards' focal point on offence with or without Michael Jordan in the lineup, will earn $2.68 million this season, and could receive a maximum six-year extension with a first-year salary of up to $10 million.

"Richard has expressed his desire to remain with the Wizards long term and that the Wizards make that same commitment to him by extending his contract this summer rather than letting him become a restricted free agent after this season," Hamilton's agent Leon Rose told the Washington Post.

The Wizards have until October 31 to extend Hamilton's contract or wait until next summer. Hamilton averaged a career-best 20 points last season, second on the team only to Jordan's 22.9.

Washington has cleared up cap room over the past two years which could amount to as much as $10 million next season, but extending Hamilton's contract could take a large slice out of the pie.

Posted by: anacostia85 | February 11, 2010 7:55 PM | Report abuse

anacostia,

I never said Rip Hamilton was a malcontent.
When I said malcontent I was speaking generally of players who do not get the type of money they think they have coming to them and do things that hurt the team. I certainly didn't mean to imply he had already become one.

I believe the reports at the time that said he did ask the Wizards for a max contract. You feel free to believe what you want.

Posted by: artiesliver | February 11, 2010 7:56 PM | Report abuse

divi3,

Actually, Rip was in the fourth (and therefore, last) year of his deal since he was drafted in 1999. You're right about one thing - great move by MJ! Move a malcontent before selfish "contract year" play affects the rest of the team. Your boy, Arenas, spoke poignantly about this earlier in the season.

Posted by: artiesliver | February 11, 2010 5:58 PM

I guess I misunderstood this

Posted by: anacostia85 | February 11, 2010 8:03 PM | Report abuse

We paid Stackhouse $13mill for two sorry years, instead of Rip $2.6mill for 1yr with the possibility of re-signing him to a good deal at any point along the way. Or is the smart move to trade any player you dont have re-signed before they're in their last year?

It was a retarded trade, but MJ is more fool than astute as a GM- so that's what we got.

Posted by: divi3 | February 11, 2010 7:51 PM

You forgot one other possibility with Rip -losing him to another team with no compensation if somebody overpaid.

Two years + little money (Stackhouse) is better than 7 years and big money (Rip). I don't have a problem with what Jordan did.

You can say as many negative things as you want about MJ, but the team that he has assembled in Charlotte is playing about .500 ball and has swept the Wizards who have a much higher payroll. Right now, he looks like NBA executive of the year compared to Ernie.

Posted by: artiesliver | February 11, 2010 8:05 PM | Report abuse

"Rip was never a problem here."

He was for Michael Jordan's ego. It was reported at the time that the two butted heads over Rip's refusal to happily play the Scottie Pippen-like sidekick role. It was documented that they got into more than one locker room yelling match, including one where Hamilton was hear to say something to the effect of "I'm not a Jordanaire (the collective nickname given to MJ's supporting cast in Chicago), I'm an NBA player."

Soon after that, MJ traded him for his Carolina homey, Jerry "I'm shuttin' it down" Stackhouse.

Posted by: kalo_rama | February 11, 2010 6:38 PM


Agreed Rip was dealt because of Jordan's ego not because of any contract demands. They were calling Rip the "lone Ranger" and MJ " Tonto" I know it was killing him.

Posted by: anacostia85 | February 11, 2010 8:09 PM | Report abuse

several people want to trade our GM EG,unfotunatly,we need anexpansion team to take him. or We need ask david stern to take him as his house keeper.
thanks

Posted by: gtefferra | February 11, 2010 8:09 PM | Report abuse

You forgot one other possibility with Rip -losing him to another team with no compensation if somebody overpaid.

Two years + little money (Stackhouse) is better than 7 years and big money (Rip). I don't have a problem with what Jordan did.
Posted by: artiesliver | February 11, 2010 8:05 PM

People who plan to leave...(see Lebron James, Chris Bosh & Dwayne Wade) don't usually ask for extensions they wait it out and leave.

Let's not give MJ too much credit they are not in the playoffs yet

Posted by: anacostia85 | February 11, 2010 8:13 PM | Report abuse

People who plan to leave...(see Lebron James, Chris Bosh & Dwayne Wade) don't usually ask for extensions they wait it out and leave.

Let's not give MJ too much credit they are not in the playoffs yet

Posted by: anacostia85 | February 11, 2010 8:13 PM |

But people who expect to get a big contract from a team and don't get it, do leave.

As for credit, where did I give him credit for putting them in the playoffs this year? His team has a better record than Ernie's, has swept Ernie's and he has a lower payroll. Period.

Posted by: artiesliver | February 11, 2010 8:23 PM | Report abuse

Further, Wade, Bosh and James ALL received max contracts from their teams. That's all Rip lookin' for, a little love ($$$)from the Wiz.

Posted by: artiesliver | February 11, 2010 8:27 PM | Report abuse

Jordan still stinks as a GM. He has the best coach in the game, who will probably do his usual moving on to the highest bidder next season....

Posted by: randysbailin | February 11, 2010 8:38 PM | Report abuse

LMAO!

The "best coach in the game" couldn't get a job for a few years. It took an astute mind to recognize that the man still had gravitas. All credit to Jordan?!

Posted by: artiesliver | February 11, 2010 8:50 PM | Report abuse

Either we are blowing it up and building for the future, or we are trying to turn things around with what we have.

Seems to me we need a true PG if we are going to have any chance of turning around this season.

A deal that works could be Caron to Chicago for Kirk Hinrich. I remember Grunfeld seemed real high on Hinrich out of college. Chicago has Rose taking over the point.

Hinrich would give us a true point, a guy who can run the team and distribute. You add a guy like that to this team and you instantly see team chemistry and ballmovement improve dramatically.

I really like a rotation of C Haywood, C/PF Blatche, PF/SF Jamison, SF/SG Miller, SG/PG Foye, PG Hinrich.

Posted by: Darnell1 | February 11, 2010 8:51 PM | Report abuse

"Rip was never a problem here."

He was for Michael Jordan's ego. It was reported at the time that the two butted heads over Rip's refusal to happily play the Scottie Pippen-like sidekick role. It was documented that they got into more than one locker room yelling match, including one where Hamilton was hear to say something to the effect of "I'm not a Jordanaire (the collective nickname given to MJ's supporting cast in Chicago), I'm an NBA player."

Soon after that, MJ traded him for his Carolina homey, Jerry "I'm shuttin' it down" Stackhouse.

Posted by: kalo_rama | February 11, 2010 6:38 PM


Agreed Rip was dealt because of Jordan's ego not because of any contract demands. They were calling Rip the "lone Ranger" and MJ " Tonto" I know it was killing him.

Posted by: anacostia85 | February 11, 2010 8:09 PM |

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Agreed.

Michael Leahy's book about Michael Jordan's "comeback" in Washington certainly points to Jordan's ego as the primary reason for the trade.

Posted by: fansincebullets | February 11, 2010 9:01 PM | Report abuse

Further, Wade, Bosh and James ALL received max contracts from their teams. That's all Rip lookin' for, a little love ($$$)from the Wiz.

Posted by: artiesliver | February 11, 2010 8:27 PM

Do you have a time machine because those guys are free agents at the end of the year and have NOT signed contracts.

Posted by: anacostia85 | February 11, 2010 9:05 PM | Report abuse

Chicago already has Salmons and Deng. Where would Caron play on that team?

Posted by: anacostia85 | February 11, 2010 9:07 PM | Report abuse

"That's why we don't play our young guys?"

Because playing them will have little to no effect on their odds of winning.

Posted by: kalo_rama | February 11, 2010 6:42 PM | Report abuse

They aren’t going to win anything this year or last year anyway?

By playing them now they will be more prepared in a few years when the vets are gone.

Since you and the Wizards believe a player should become a better player from within they shouldn’t need to play to accomplish that?

I’m sure the Spurs and Boston (who have won something) don’t believe in your and Ernie’s philosophy?

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | February 11, 2010 9:11 PM | Report abuse

People who plan to leave...(see Lebron James, Chris Bosh & Dwayne Wade) don't usually ask for extensions they wait it out and leave.

Let's not give MJ too much credit they are not in the playoffs yet

Posted by: anacostia85 | February 11, 2010 8:13 PM |

But people who expect to get a big contract from a team and don't get it, do leave.

As for credit, where did I give him credit for putting them in the playoffs this year? His team has a better record than Ernie's, has swept Ernie's and he has a lower payroll. Period.

Posted by: artiesliver | February 11, 2010 8:23 PM |

You are crowing for MJ because of 1 year? If I have to choose between him or Ernie I would have to stick with Ernie.

Jordan still makes stupid moves.

League executives say between now and then Brown is determined to move point guard D.J. Augustin(notes) for a veteran big man. Michael Jordan and Rod Higgins wanted to draft Brook Lopez(notes) with the ninth pick in 2008, but Brown demanded they pass on the center for Augustin. Bobcats management had gone so far to tell Lopez’s agents they were picking him.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=aw-netslosing020310&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

Posted by: anacostia85 | February 11, 2010 9:12 PM | Report abuse

As I said before, Gurn can explore all the trade options he wants. He can't pull the trigger with out the family approval. And right now the family is not going to let Grun play with the sale value. It's kind of sad that a GM is like this...all talk and no action. The other GM's will figure out Grun has an empty hand....

Posted by: funnybone1 | February 11, 2010 9:16 PM | Report abuse

Either we are blowing it up and building for the future, or we are trying to turn things around with what we have.

Or the Wizards are trying to shed some salary this year for luxury tax reasons. That's the worst case scenario.

Posted by: djnnnou | February 11, 2010 9:33 PM | Report abuse

You are crowing for MJ because of 1 year? If I have to choose between him or Ernie I would have to stick with Ernie.

Jordan still makes stupid moves.

Posted by: anacostia85

And Jordan and his team still manage to outperform Ernie and his Wizards and do so while spending less money, so by all means stick with your boy Ernie "I draw up bad contracts at will" Grunfeld!

Posted by: artiesliver | February 11, 2010 9:40 PM | Report abuse

"Grunfeld said that he doesn't feel compelled to make a move right now."

Oh brother! This team needs to be cleared out! See what the younger guys can do in the second half. Clear cap space for free agency, aquire good players and draft choices for this years draft. If done right, this really won't take that long, but this team isn't going anywhere as it stands! It's not and never has been a good chemistry, even when everybody is here and healthy!

Posted by: slimjim21787 | February 11, 2010 9:51 PM | Report abuse

I hope that Grunfailed doesn't get to make any trades. Nothing against the man but he tried and failed miserably!

Posted by: Utilityman1 | February 11, 2010 9:52 PM | Report abuse

Do you have a time machine because those guys are free agents at the end of the year and have NOT signed contracts.

Posted by: anacostia85 | February 11, 2010 9:05 PM


Are you purposely trying to be dense??

Rip was reportedly seeking a max contract off his rookie contract. James, Bosh and Wade each received max conracts off their rookie contracts. So comparing Rip's situation to their respective situations works against you because their teams actually did value them enough to give them max dough.

Posted by: artiesliver | February 11, 2010 9:53 PM | Report abuse

Michael Leahy's book about Michael Jordan's "comeback" in Washington certainly points to Jordan's ego as the primary reason for the trade.

Posted by: fansincebullets

Did the book quote anyone in the Wiz organization saying that Rip deserved and would certainly be receiving a max contract?

Posted by: artiesliver | February 11, 2010 10:03 PM | Report abuse

Michael Leahy's book about Michael Jordan's "comeback" in Washington certainly points to Jordan's ego as the primary reason for the trade.

Posted by: fansincebullets

Did the book quote anyone in the Wiz organization saying that Rip deserved and would certainly be receiving a max contract?

Posted by: artiesliver | February 11, 2010 10:03 PM | Report abuse


"The franchise is spending $79 million on a unit that has improved only from having the worst record in the Eastern Conference last season to the second-worst record at the all-star break."


That says it all about Grunfeld's ability to right the ship.

Bravo, Mr. Lee.

Posted by: 2020doc | February 11, 2010 10:15 PM | Report abuse

"More importantly, why did Ernie decide against drafting Tyreke Evans who looks to be the next NBA SUPERSTAR?"
Evans was not around at five therefore we didn't have the chance to decide against drafting evans

Posted by: bford1kb | February 11, 2010 10:29 PM | Report abuse

rip was stealing mj's thunder

Posted by: bford1kb | February 11, 2010 10:39 PM | Report abuse

Out of those players only Wade has a title. Rip got one in 2004 and played well against Kobe. Joe Dumars appreciated the assist by MJ in giving him a young 2 guard and taking old Jerry off his hands and to think he got him at 7 years 62 million.

http://www.nba.com/finals2004/

Posted by: anacostia85 | February 11, 2010 10:41 PM | Report abuse

After all what have the Wizards ever known about talent?

http://www.nba.com/finals2004/hamilton_040611.html

Posted by: anacostia85 | February 11, 2010 10:48 PM | Report abuse

I would like to see Nick Young get a full year to start. He is similar to Rip in that he is not great at defense but can score a ton. Rip got a little better maybe Nick can also.

Posted by: anacostia85 | February 11, 2010 10:51 PM | Report abuse

If Rip wanted a max deal he surely could have had it based on what was available at Shooting Guard that year.

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/basketball/nba/2003-06-30-free-agents_x.htm

Posted by: anacostia85 | February 11, 2010 11:03 PM | Report abuse

It's funny how everybody is bemoaning the Rip trade now, as if he was LeBron with a face mask. When he was here, everybody was complaining that he was soft on defense and couldn't do anything but catch and shoot mid-range jumpers. The truth is that he is the kind of player who fits in well on the sort of solid team Detroit had back in mid-2000s--if you put him on the perimeter alongside Chauncey Billups and Tayshawn Prince, it maximizes what he can do and minimizes his weaknesses. Stackhouse was a better all-around player, but the problem was that he didn't really want to be here.

Posted by: pjkiger1 | February 11, 2010 11:07 PM | Report abuse

It is not that anyone is crying for Rip it is just that when the Wizards do luck up and draft talent they end up shipping them off. I find it ironic that they dealt Rip to get Stackhouse. In 2003 Rip and Arenas were restricted free agents. Rip took the 62 million the Pistons offered. Arenas signed witht he Wizards for 6 years 65 million. Sadly Gilbert was the one we gave the max deal of 6 years 111 million. Gilbert has averaged 23 points 6 assists and 4 rebounds for his career. Rip has averaged 18 points 4 assists and 3 rebounds. Was it really worth it in the end? Was 5 more points 3 assists and 1 rebound worth that much.

Posted by: anacostia85 | February 11, 2010 11:21 PM | Report abuse

Why are we rehashing the Rip trade? What's the point of all this?

EG didn't pass on Tyreke Evans, he didn't have a chance to draft him.

Ernies biggest mistake this past summer was passing on Amare for caron and the #5 pick.

Posted by: DMoney28 | February 11, 2010 11:22 PM | Report abuse

Why are we rehashing the Rip trade? What's the point of all this?

EG didn't pass on Tyreke Evans, he didn't have a chance to draft him.

Ernies biggest mistake this past summer was passing on Amare for caron and the #5 pick.

Posted by: DMoney28 | February 11, 2010 11:22 PM

The only reason that would have been a good deal is because we would have been able to get more for Amare than we are gonna get for Caron.

Posted by: anacostia85 | February 11, 2010 11:29 PM | Report abuse

Grunfield talks out of both sides of his mouth. The Wizards advertised the'BIG THREE' for over two years. But now he says, "You have to have 12 guys pulling together."

Give me a break Ernie. You've got posters with these 3 guys faces touting Character, Commitment & Connection and they can't beat a drum much less the top tier teams in the Eastern conference!

BLOW
THIS
MESS
UP
NOW!

Posted by: whatyoutalkinboutman | February 11, 2010 11:32 PM | Report abuse

A healthy Stackhouse never played in Washington.

Yeah, I kinda agree it was Jordan's ego and a quest for veteran comraderie that traded Hamilton.

It could have been a good GM move but it did not work and did not have to be done.

But as to whether or not Jordan is a good GM, get over it, Charlotte is on its way to the playoffs.

Surround yourself with people that can make decisions and correct the bad decisions that you might make, is the mark of leader.

I cannot believe why so many people on here still want to come out against Michael Jordan.

Please, one person that matters the most in this town was all for Jordan and probably still is and his name happens to be Ted Leonsis.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | February 11, 2010 11:39 PM | Report abuse

A healthy Stackhouse never played in Washington.

Yeah, I kinda agree it was Jordan's ego and a quest for veteran comraderie that traded Hamilton.

It could have been a good GM move but it did not work and did not have to be done.

But as to whether or not Jordan is a good GM, get over it, Charlotte is on its way to the playoffs.

Surround yourself with people that can make decisions and correct the bad decisions that you might make, is the mark of leader.

I cannot believe why so many people on here still want to come out against Michael Jordan.

Please, one person that matters the most in this town was all for Jordan and probably still is and his name happens to be Ted Leonsis.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | February 11, 2010 11:39 PM

Hooray for Jordan he has been with the bobcats for 4 years and his team "might" make the playoffs. He has certainly arrived as a GM.

Posted by: anacostia85 | February 11, 2010 11:46 PM | Report abuse

I would like to apologize to everyone.

I was taking my evening walk on the beach and I finally realized Kal is right.

The problem with the Wizards is they have a coach, trainers and a medical staff?

Ernie should fire all of them and let the players do it on their own. The coach is the problem because all players who want to succeed do all by themselves?

Let the players run their own plays, let them not play any “D” if they don’t want, let them take shots with 14 seconds left on the shot clock, let them dribble the ball for 14 seconds and drive to the basket and throw the ball up and let them be ball hogs.

Wait isn’t that what they do anyway?

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | February 11, 2010 11:47 PM | Report abuse

Hooray for Jordan he has been with the bobcats for 4 years and his team "might" make the playoffs. He has certainly arrived as a GM.

Posted by: anacostia85 | February 11, 2010 11:46 PM | Report abuse

anacostia85

I am one of the Wizards worst critics and believ MJ made mistakes.

I do know the man is a winer and he has the drive to become better and has learned from his mistakes.

Yes, right now MJ's Bobcats are better than the Wizards and to me that menas Ernie needs to go.

I would like to see Ted hire Vice President/Assistant GM Dennis Lindsey of the Spurs. They know how to draft, sign free agrents, make trades and scout players.

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | February 11, 2010 11:55 PM | Report abuse

Hooray for Jordan he has been with the bobcats for 4 years and his team "might" make the playoffs. He has certainly arrived as a GM.

Posted by: anacostia85 | February 11, 2010 11:46 PM |

Well Hello Good Buddy. I kinda wish Jordan hadda had 4 years here to make the playoffs and to see what might have transpired since then.

Larry Brown might have come and gone by now. Hell Mitch Kupchak might have considered leaving LA to come here to be with arguably the best NBA player in the game and a fellow Tarheel and the team he won a NBA championship on.

You just never know good buddy.

Give me a break. Hater!!!

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | February 11, 2010 11:57 PM | Report abuse

MJ took Adam Morrison ahead of the likes of rudy Gay and Brandon Roy after he'd already BUSTED with kwame overall....but he's learned something and is a great GM because larry brown has the bobcats at .500 before the break. ok, sure.

Posted by: divi3 | February 12, 2010 12:03 AM | Report abuse

MJ took Adam Morrison ahead of the likes of rudy Gay and Brandon Roy after he'd already BUSTED with kwame overall....but he's learned something and is a great GM because larry brown has the bobcats at .500 before the break. ok, sure.

Posted by: divi3 | February 12, 2010 12:03 AM

If Abe Pollin's ego had not have fired Michael Jordan and Jordan would have gotten around to bringing Larry Brown here instead of Charlotte, do you think that the standoff at OK CORRALL would have happened.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | February 12, 2010 12:09 AM | Report abuse

the debate about mj or ernie and rip for stack is retro at best for entertainment value. the situation is this...nobody of any merit really wants to be here in dc,(one of the basketball meccas in the country)because of poor management. it's been going on for countless years after they won the championship. mr.pollin was trying so hard to win another one that he forgot how he did it that one time. he became enamored with unseld who has only ever been a great player(it should have ended there). all the following years have been plagued by the inability to think rationally. as they sit now at yet another crossroad the question is; can they just do the right thing at the right time? can they show some patience and let good young players develop? look around the league, see all the former bullet/wizard players having good careers. do it. count them. does this mean they had no talent when they were here, or found it where they went from here. look at the roster here now, at the young guys sitting on the bench. how many of them are going to find their skills elsewhere. the team of players may not need to be blown up, but the the front office team certainly does. when new ownership does finally take over, they need to clean house. gm, player personnel director,coach and ALL of the assistants. only then is there hope for the future, because it looks awfully bleak right now under any of the scenarios discussed here. Is DC snake-bit as a sports town? only if you believe in the supernatural. it's nothing good management can't fix. but they need to be committed to winning from top to bottom. this goes for all the sports teams, some of which spend to much for much of nothing, to another that has a hard time opening the pocketbook. good management won't allow financial mistakes to be made. look at the lakers with all their money and their ability to get marquee players at the drop of a hat, and compare them to the knicks who have all the money in the world available and can't put a reasonble team on the floor. it's all about management. mitch kupchack was here in DC and they let him get away too(for unseld @ gm). that is what has to change, the ability to recognize talent and stick with as best you can. whew...that's all

Posted by: joerutgens72 | February 12, 2010 12:31 AM | Report abuse

MJ and Rip Hamilton left here about 100 years ago. What's the next argument, how we let Earl The Pearl go to the Knicks?

Posted by: randysbailin | February 12, 2010 1:53 AM | Report abuse

Rip--ship--get off this garbage. Rip was good in Detroit for a few years and in the last two years he fell off big time. He was benched this year and his mins. are down. What I do agree with is Ernie--he is the problem and he can't fix it--he just can;t--he is not in the same spot as the GM in Clev.--Ferry who at best was a marginal player but he has his dad Bob Ferry who sure trained he well. I know he has James BUT look at the players he has gotten to work with James and has a coach--who was a Wiz. asst. and look at them now. Now Nick Young is NOTHING- A very bad 1st round pick by Ernie. The kid McGee NOTHING but WITH PROPER handling MAYBE could be something Blatche--Double nothing. He STILL AFTER 4 YEARS MAKES THE SAME STUPID MISTAKE and is a lazy SOFT player. All you need to look at is his arms--not any mucle definition- which measns he doest spend time getting in shape. I would agree Ernie is the culprit in this mess--he wasn't any better in Milwaukee. If Leonsis gets the team fine because his bussiness sence and his GM brought the Caps to where they are now. Ted would be the first to say he may not know the inside workings of hockey BUT he sure knows how to give his front office a free reign--within reason-- on how to build a winner. The wiz 3 way trade if true is nuts--but after seeing Ernie these last few years he will probably make this deal or something close to it. The Pollin family is caught in the middle--if Ernie blows up the team the price for the Wiz drops like a sack of flour and at present the expected ownership takeover by Ted L. STILL HAS NOT HAPPENED!!!It was almost certain that the negotiations with the Pollin family were goint to be easy--guess what STILL NO DEAL> If an OUTSIDE owner by chance gets the team watch out this whole thing goes down the derain and evenmaking or not making the trade or even if GA icomes back this is a long process AND ERNIE is not the guy. Rest in pease Red Auerbach.

Posted by: vergens2 | February 12, 2010 5:39 AM | Report abuse

DCSportsFan5.

Tyreke Evans was drafted number 4, one spot AHEAD of our spot. Plus he would have been a bad fit into our system because he dominates the ball way too much.

Posted by: jinbahji@hotmail.com | February 12, 2010 6:44 AM | Report abuse

Whatever is done, they still have to be competitive and even improve their play this season. They can't afford to lose their fan base. The fans must be able to see the value and logic in the moves they make. What are they admitting to by the moves they make. Do they get players to fit the system or do they adjust the system to fit the players? One thing the last game showed was , when they passed the ball more...Haywood got more touches and scor3ed more, although he did not play as long as he should have. I think it would be a huge mistake to include Haywood in any deal. I think he is being hurt by the me first mentality of this offence. The most unselfish Miller is the guy you wished might shoot a little more.

Posted by: bobilly2 | February 12, 2010 7:34 AM | Report abuse

I think this team might just need something as simple as trading utler for Iguadala.

Posted by: bobilly2 | February 12, 2010 7:36 AM | Report abuse

I have read some of the blogs..and in my openion most have missed the boat. The real problem was.. first second and third..the owner of the Wizards. Mr. Polin was a great man, but as an owner made constant mistakes for the last 25 plus years. The management people he hired, the mistakes made with draft choices, and active players...went on for many years. three former wizards were on the Piston`s team that won the championship..what does that tell us?
Mr.Polin either would not spend the money to obtain key players, or when he finally did...it would be for the wrong players..hint Juan Howard as one example.
Remember how the team could have drafted Karl Malone..and passed for a guy who never
did anything.
Hopefully, a new owner..will hire a competent GM..and completely rebuild this team.

Posted by: blazerguy234 | February 12, 2010 7:54 AM | Report abuse

I am one of the Wizards worst critics and believ MJ made mistakes.

I do know the man is a winer and

BF78

i am not sure if you meant "Whiner" or "Winner." As a player, he was a winner. As a GM, he is a whiner.

Posted by: Blurred | February 12, 2010 7:59 AM | Report abuse

If Abe Pollin's ego had not have fired Michael Jordan and Jordan would have gotten around to bringing Larry Brown here.

LarryInClintonMD.

MJ got to bring his favorite coach here, Doug Collins. Based on his 2 drafts and his choice as coach, I think he earned his dismissal.

That doesn't count his trade of Rip for Stack.

Since that trade, MJ has been to the playoffs 0 times, Wizards 3 times and Rip has a championship and is a perrenial playoff participant.

I think that sums it up.

Now about these future trades....

Posted by: Blurred | February 12, 2010 8:06 AM | Report abuse

Now about these future trades....

Posted by: Blurred | February 12, 2010 8:06 AM | Report abuse

Neato torpedo there blurred.

Posted by: glawrence007 | February 12, 2010 8:14 AM | Report abuse

Time is still a ticking Blurred and Jordan has the ball.

However, don't see how what you said relates to the point in question.

LarryInClintonMD.

@joerutgens72 and vergens2 good lookback pots posts.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | February 12, 2010 8:56 AM | Report abuse

How many people on the "Ted the Savior" bandwagon realize that he didnt hire the Caps GM? Mcphee has been the GM since 1997....bodes well for EG!

Posted by: divi3 | February 12, 2010 9:04 AM | Report abuse

"At 17-33, the Wizards have been an unmitigated disaster, with numerous disruptions - including the season-ending suspension of Gilbert Arenas and Javaris Crittenton for bringing guns to the locker room in a dispute last December - derailing what was expected to be a promising season in Washington".
How can you derail something that never happened .. derail something that was expected? typical Wash Post Bla Bla Bla.. ask some questions that are not politically correct Michael Lee!!! you are reporters or politicians? NYPost is gonna scoop you all again soon. Get a clue!
Grunfeld and his crew (Sheppard and Newton)have to set sail soon for NBDL and learn the business of putting a team together. End of story.

Posted by: horace1 | February 12, 2010 9:34 AM | Report abuse

MJ got to bring his favorite coach here, Doug Collins. Based on his 2 drafts and his choice as coach, I think he earned his dismissal.

Posted by: Blurred | February 12, 2010 8:06 AM | Report abuse

Based on your standards...

Ernie has brought in his coach and has no draft picks to show for his 5 years of drafting, than isn't Ernie's dismissal long overdue.

Considering Abe was willing to accept incompetence from Wes Unseld Jr and Ernie why can’t people see the real reason he let MJ go was the ca$h.


Posted by: bulletsfan78 | February 12, 2010 9:50 AM | Report abuse

I would like to apologize to everyone.

I was taking my evening walk on the beach and I finally realized Kal is right.

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | February 11, 2010 11:47 PM | Report abuse

Let me get this straight, you were having a nice romanitc walk on the beach and were thinking about Kalo? ....not that there is anything wrong with that of course. Just did not recognize this before but it certainly sheds some light. Good luck with that one.

Posted by: The_Shadow_Knows | February 12, 2010 9:55 AM | Report abuse

The_Shadow_Knows

It was walking for exercise and I don’t think I’m Kal’s favorite person on this site.

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | February 12, 2010 10:09 AM | Report abuse

Ernie has brought in his coach and has no draft picks to show for his 5 years of drafting, than isn't Ernie's dismissal long overdue.

Considering Abe was willing to accept incompetence from Wes Unseld Jr and Ernie why can’t people see the real reason he let MJ go was the ca$h.


Posted by: bulletsfan78 | February 12, 2010 9:50 AM | Report abuse

you are correct. Grunfeld is overdue to leave. wasn't arguing otherwise. Just because someone is a better GM than Jordan was 8-9 years ago, doesn't mean he is any good at all.

Jordan has probably improved as a GM over the past decade too. He was a disaster here.

Grunfeld showed some promise but at least had some small improvements going on for a while. That ended 3 years ago.

i also agree he let MJ go because of the cash. if he thought MJ could bring him some seriously deep runs into the playoffs and the extra cash that would generate, he would have kept him.

He didn't and that was a good business decision.

Maybe the only good business decision he ever made with regard to pro sports.

Then again, he is the multi millionaire, not us.

Posted by: Blurred | February 12, 2010 10:12 AM | Report abuse

The_Shadow_Knows

I was walking with a friend of mind out here who is a Lakers fan and he was telling me about what a great job Phil has done with the Lakers and what a great organization they are.

That's why I said fire the coach, trainers, medical staff and let the players run practice and let them play the games on their own like at the playgrounds?

It couldn't be any worse than the job Flip is doing?

Look at what a wonderful job Gil did on his own rehabbing. I guess Gil isn’t like Bird and Magic he wasn’t willing to go that extra mile?

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | February 12, 2010 10:22 AM | Report abuse

In a dramatic move that would resuscitate their fading championship hopes, the Boston Celtics are discussing a deal with the Washington Wizards for forwards Antawn Jamison and Caron Butler, league sources told Yahoo! Sports on Friday. The proposed deal would send the expiring contracts of Ray Allen, Brian Scalabrine and J.R. Giddens to the Wizards, a move that would signal the start of Washington’s rebuilding process.

Posted by: anacostia85 | February 12, 2010 10:31 AM | Report abuse

Ernie has blown several drafts, but I'll give him credit for attempting to drive up the price to Cleveland.

Yahoo Sports is now reporting a potential trade of Jamison and Butler to Boston for Ray Allen, Scalabrine and JR Giddens.

Hopefully this will force the JJ Hickson throw in with Ilgauskus.

Posted by: bozomoeman | February 12, 2010 10:32 AM | Report abuse

Both Boston and Washington still have discussions with several teams in the works, including a potential Wizards-Mavericks deal that league sources insisted was discussed well into Thursday night in Dallas. Washington has offered Butler and DeShawn Stevenson for the Mavericks’ Josh Howard and a small expiring contract. There were strong signals on late Thursday that deal was getting close, but one source with knowledge of the talks said that Mavs owner Mark Cuban wasn’t prepared to commit to the move and wanted to keep shopping. Yahoo! Sports

Posted by: anacostia85 | February 12, 2010 10:41 AM | Report abuse

dc sports fan wrote:
Just imagine if we would have taken this approach in the off-season. Hmmmm we could be developing DeJuan Blair 7.5 PPG/6.5 RPG/20 MPG compared to B. Haywood 9.8 PPG/10.3RPG/33MPG. Why didn't we just use our 2nd round draft pick?

More importantly, why did Ernie decide against drafting Tyreke Evans who looks to be the next NBA SUPERSTAR?

Instead now were hoping to trade garbage for Draft picks and wasting another season...is the Wes Unseld curse all-over?
___________________________________________

Tyreke Evans got drafted one pick before the Wizards pick. There is no excuse for not drafting Blair and selling the pick. He brings interior bulk, rebounding and toughness and the Wizards sorely could use these attributes.

Posted by: impartial1 | February 12, 2010 10:47 AM | Report abuse

dc sports fan wrote:
Just imagine if we would have taken this approach in the off-season. Hmmmm we could be developing DeJuan Blair 7.5 PPG/6.5 RPG/20 MPG compared to B. Haywood 9.8 PPG/10.3RPG/33MPG. Why didn't we just use our 2nd round draft pick?

More importantly, why did Ernie decide against drafting Tyreke Evans who looks to be the next NBA SUPERSTAR?

Instead now were hoping to trade garbage for Draft picks and wasting another season...is the Wes Unseld curse all-over?
___________________________________________

Tyreke Evans got drafted one pick before the Wizards pick. There is no excuse for not drafting Blair and selling the pick. He brings interior bulk, rebounding and toughness and the Wizards sorely could use these attributes.

Posted by: impartial1 | February 12, 2010 10:47 AM | Report abuse

In a dramatic move that would resuscitate their fading championship hopes, the Boston Celtics are discussing a deal with the Washington Wizards for forwards Antawn Jamison and Caron Butler, league sources told Yahoo! Sports on Friday. The proposed deal would send the expiring contracts of Ray Allen, Brian Scalabrine and J.R. Giddens to the Wizards, a move that would signal the start of Washington’s rebuilding process.

Another deal in which the Wiz get nothing but cap space. Whoopee. And I really don't see that deal doing much to improve Boston. Butler can't replace Allen's shooting, and Boston's frontcourt is already crowded, and Jamison won't provide the defensive presence they haven't been getting consistently from an aging Garnett and Wallace.

Posted by: kalo_rama | February 12, 2010 11:01 AM | Report abuse

it doesn't really matter whether leonsis hired mcphee or not. he had sense enough to recognize talent and kept him in that position. that's whats lacking on all the teams that don't have success over long stretches. the ability to see a diamond in the rough. leadership can be learned, but most leaders are leaders because they lead and not wait to see what others think about their decisions(snyder for example). leonsis would probably do a good job as owner of the wizards because he delegates responsibility to the right people, based on how he has handled the caps. the problem is, the present ownership. which has been the problem, and it's not about the future of the franchise, it's about how much money can the estate get for it. good business, bad for the franchise.

Posted by: joerutgens72 | February 12, 2010 11:19 AM | Report abuse

If Philly does actually want Butler, and they want to shed salary, I think we can make a three team deal. Use Boston (based on rumors today) or Cleveland. They both want Jamison. Send Jamison to either. Philly sends us Igoudala and Brand (almost no one is willing to take Brand on, so that might help us out). Philly gets Butler and close to $20 mil in expiring contracts. Everyone wins!

Posted by: segastyle | February 12, 2010 11:22 AM | Report abuse

So basically the Wizards exchange their overpaid, under performing frontcourt for the Sixers even more overpaid, underperforming frontcourt. And that helps Washington how, exactly?

Posted by: kalo_rama | February 12, 2010 11:27 AM | Report abuse

Leonsis took over the Caps with a winning GM in place and left him there to do his job. That's what good/great owners do.

The problem arises if you think Leonsis has to replace EG, which seems to be the overall consensus of this board. What if Leonsis hires another disaster like MJ? A guy who has no eye for talent and blows top5 picks?

Point being, just because Leonsis buys the team doesnt mean better days are ahead. There is still the gigantic question of deciding on someone to run the organization

Posted by: divi3 | February 12, 2010 11:28 AM | Report abuse

speaking of Elton Brand....genius GM Michael Jordan could have had him years ago in exchange for the pick that turned out to be Kwame Brown. Igoudala is a nice player but we don't win anything by bringing in a 30 year old Elton Brand who is usually always injured.

Posted by: anacostia85 | February 12, 2010 11:30 AM | Report abuse

MJ got to bring his favorite coach here, Doug Collins. Based on his 2 drafts and his choice as coach, I think he earned his dismissal.

That doesn't count his trade of Rip for Stack.

Since that trade, MJ has been to the playoffs 0 times, Wizards 3 times and Rip has a championship and is a perrenial playoff participant.

I think that sums it up.

Now about these future trades....

Posted by: Blurred | February 12, 2010 8:06 AM


Michael Jordan set the table for Ernie Grunfeld. Remember? Washington had the cap room to sign Arenas because of Jordan's trades and personnel decisions, including getting rid of Juwon Howard's albatross of a contract.
Finally, Abe Pollin hired Eddie Jordan who led the team to the playoffs. Grunfeld hasn't done a thing since Eddie's firing except spend money like a drunken sailor and lead the team right into the gutter.
I say Jordan's the better GM right now.

Posted by: 2020doc | February 12, 2010 11:34 AM | Report abuse

DCSportsFan5.

Tyreke Evans was drafted number 4, one spot AHEAD of our spot. Plus he would have been a bad fit into our system because he dominates the ball way too much.

Posted by: jinbahji@hotmail.com | February 12, 2010 6:44 AM | Report abuse

just like that other combo pg/sg who only led the team to 3 1/2 playoff berths.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | February 12, 2010 11:35 AM | Report abuse

the only reason there are people left who care passionately about this team is due to the limited success Gil brought us for a few seasons, gotta give EG credit for that.....as he's shown the door.

Posted by: divi3 | February 12, 2010 11:42 AM | Report abuse

speaking of Elton Brand....genius GM Michael Jordan could have had him years ago in exchange for the pick that turned out to be Kwame Brown. Igoudala is a nice player but we don't win anything by bringing in a 30 year old Elton Brand who is usually always injured.

Posted by: anacostia85 | February 12, 2010 11:30 A


You make it sound like Kwame Brown was considered the 25th best prospect in the draft on draft day and Michael reached to pick him. Kwame and Tyson Chandler were considered the two best prospects in draft that year. Kwame won out because he had a better body and was considered to more offensively skilled than Chandler.
Why would Michael Jordan give up the number one overall pick for an undersized power forward who's never won anything?? Please!

Posted by: 2020doc | February 12, 2010 11:43 AM | Report abuse

The fact that teams are not really offering us anything for our players because they think we are dead meat ripe for the pickings might end up being a blessing.

Let's say Ernie can't do a deal by trade deadline because no one wants to offer anything worth something.

Ted takes over with this whole team currently in place. He gets to call all the shots.

It is not really set in stone that the Team has to trade before this deadline to get better.

We would have the rest of the season and offseason with Ted calling the shots.

Even if he keeps Ernie, I would feel better with Ted in charge, rather that the Pollins, because all they are looking at is the money and not the Team as someone has already alluded to.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | February 12, 2010 11:43 AM | Report abuse

speaking of Elton Brand....genius GM Michael Jordan could have had him years ago in exchange for the pick that turned out to be Kwame Brown. Igoudala is a nice player but we don't win anything by bringing in a 30 year old Elton Brand who is usually always injured.

Posted by: anacostia85 | February 12, 2010 11:30 A


You make it sound like Kwame Brown was considered the 25th best prospect in the draft on draft day and Michael reached to pick him. Kwame and Tyson Chandler were considered the two best prospects in draft that year. Kwame won out because he had a better body and was considered to more offensively skilled than Chandler.
Why would Michael Jordan give up the number one overall pick for an undersized power forward who's never won anything?? Please!

Posted by: 2020doc | February 12, 2010 11:43 AM |


Kwame has never proven to be effective. Elton Brand has usually been a 20 and 10 player when healthy that is why.

Posted by: anacostia85 | February 12, 2010 11:50 AM | Report abuse

"Kwame won out because he had a better body and was considered to more offensively skilled than Chandler."

Or did he win out because he beat Chandler in a 1-on-1 game and MJ was too busy chasing fat chicks to look at any other aspects? That's what Boswell insinuated recently, mentioning that Jordan knew NOTHING of kwame's background on draft day whereas a quality organization would have realized if they are taking a teen #1 overall they'd better have a support system in place for the kid, especially given his strained upbringing

Posted by: divi3 | February 12, 2010 11:51 AM | Report abuse

"Even if he keeps Ernie, I would feel better with Ted in charge, rather that the Pollins, because all they are looking at is the money and not the Team as someone has already alluded to."

In order to improve the team's performance, changes in personnel must be made. That means money has to be considered. It's not an either or issue.

Posted by: kalo_rama | February 12, 2010 11:51 AM | Report abuse

good management will do the right thing as far as who would be the gm. there is no preconcieved notion on my part as to whether grunfeld should stay or go, just that a proper evaluation should be done to make a determination one way or the other. everything is very fluid right now and a lot speculation about what should be done can only be looked at in that way, speculation, new ownership will make the final decisions on the future of the team. hopefully the right decisions, i miss being a basketball fan rooting for a competitive team.

Posted by: joerutgens72 | February 12, 2010 11:51 AM | Report abuse

I'm gonna have to think of a new post.com user id!!

Posted by: bigtriumverate | February 12, 2010 11:52 AM | Report abuse

the only reason there are people left who care passionately about this team is due to the limited success Gil brought us for a few seasons, gotta give EG credit for that.....as he's shown the door.

Posted by: divi3

You mean the success Gil, Eddie and Ernie brought us. In fact Eddie and Ernie brought success one year without much input from Gil.

Posted by: and_1 | February 12, 2010 11:53 AM | Report abuse

either Gil or EG will still be here next season, that's my guess. right now i think it's 65/35 Ernie

Posted by: divi3 | February 12, 2010 11:54 AM | Report abuse

I just wished the coach had Jamison in more of a play-maker roll rather than a go-to guy on offense. You can't build team cohesiveness and a foundation for productiveness around unconventional flip shots and turn around baseline jumpers. I don't doubt his attitude, intensity, and leadership.

But we saw what Butler is capable of when he doesn't hold on to the ball too long. Nice jumpers, and good powerful drives. Keep Butler. I think Miller, Butler, and the young bigs are the core. Any pg would do as long as they're not a score-first pg.

Posted by: normalPerson | February 12, 2010 11:55 AM | Report abuse

Or did he win out because he beat Chandler in a 1-on-1 game and MJ was too busy chasing fat chicks to look at any other aspects? That's what Boswell insinuated recently, mentioning that Jordan knew NOTHING of kwame's background on draft day whereas a quality organization would have realized if they are taking a teen #1 overall they'd better have a support system in place for the kid, especially given his strained upbringing

Posted by: divi3

Kwame and Chandler are both bums, but just blame MJ. Jerry Krause badly wanted Kwame which is why he was willing to give up Brand to get the number one pick. This revisionist history from you guys is sickening.

Posted by: and_1 | February 12, 2010 11:58 AM | Report abuse

I just wished the coach had Jamison in more of a play-maker roll rather than a go-to guy on offense. You can't build team cohesiveness and a foundation for productiveness around unconventional flip shots and turn around baseline jumpers. I don't doubt his attitude, intensity, and leadership.

But we saw what Butler is capable of when he doesn't hold on to the ball too long. Nice jumpers, and good powerful drives. Keep Butler. I think Miller, Butler, and the young bigs are the core. Any pg would do as long as they're not a score-first pg.

Posted by: normalPerson | February 12, 2010 11:55 AM |

Jamison is not a playmaker he is a scorer.

Posted by: anacostia85 | February 12, 2010 11:58 AM | Report abuse

Ernie needs to pull the trigger on the trade with the Celtics. That is a no brainer. Get rid of Jamison and his terrible contract. I wouldnt stop there and try to move Haywood to the Rockets or Blazers. Its time to blow this thing up. The only salvation the Wizards can have is the cap space and a lot of luck in the lottery. To retain Jamison would be a typical Bullets/Wizards move from the past. Let's stay mediocre enough not to have any high draft picks and pick right after all the impact players are gone. Before you go up you must hit rock bottom. Use the Thunder and Blazers as a model of how to put together a team. Also, take advantage of teams that are at the cap and try to buy there 1st round picks. Phoenix has a tendency of giving there picks away for cash. This team must get young!

Posted by: ElBigChroizo | February 12, 2010 12:03 PM | Report abuse

Kwame has never proven to be effective. Elton Brand has usually been a 20 and 10 player when healthy that is why.

Posted by: anacostia85


Of course, that was the big unknown on draft day. Hell, Kornheiser argued that the Wizards should select Battier with the first overall pick. In hindsight, it was a horrible draft class overall. I can't think of a weaker one in the last 15 years.

Posted by: and_1 | February 12, 2010 12:04 PM | Report abuse

Or did he win out because he beat Chandler in a 1-on-1 game and MJ was too busy chasing fat chicks to look at any other aspects? That's what Boswell insinuated recently, mentioning that Jordan knew NOTHING of kwame's background on draft day whereas a quality organization would have realized if they are taking a teen #1 overall they'd better have a support system in place for the kid, especially given his strained upbringing

Posted by: divi3

Kwame and Chandler are both bums, but just blame MJ. Jerry Krause badly wanted Kwame which is why he was willing to give up Brand to get the number one pick. This revisionist history from you guys is sickening.

Posted by: and_1 | February 12, 2010 11:58 AM |

Portland took Sam Bowie over Michael Jordan and they will always be made fun of for that. Kwame was the biggest bust in NBA history and MJ will never live that down.

Posted by: anacostia85 | February 12, 2010 12:04 PM | Report abuse

Speaking of Portland they did it again by taking Greg "OOps I am hurt again plus taking naked pics of myself although I look like the geico cavemen" Oden over Durant.

Posted by: anacostia85 | February 12, 2010 12:06 PM | Report abuse

Pau Gasol was in the same draft as Kwame. What's sickening is treating Jordan as sacrosanct because of who he is....he didnt do a good enough job here. Did Abe backstab him? Probably, but I'm just talking about his results.

What a shame we missed out on drafting Adam Morrsion!

Posted by: divi3 | February 12, 2010 12:07 PM | Report abuse

There were some nice players in that draft but you had to have a good GM to find them.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2001_NBA_Draft

Posted by: anacostia85 | February 12, 2010 12:07 PM | Report abuse

The year Oden and Durant came out everyone and there mother would have taken Oden over Durant. It was a no brainer. A potential dominant big man, who was supposed to be the next great cannot be passed up. Oden has just been snake bitten with injuries. That was out of his hands. Hindsight of course Durant would have been #1, but at the time Oden was a no brainer. Drafting is an inexact science. You have to take your information and make the best decision and pray it works out.

Posted by: ElBigChroizo | February 12, 2010 12:10 PM | Report abuse

Portland took Sam Bowie over Michael Jordan and they will always be made fun of for that. Kwame was the biggest bust in NBA history and MJ will never live that down.

Posted by: anacostia85

Laughable!!!!

They drafted Bowie over the greatest player the game has ever seen. Jordan drafted Brown over Pau Gasol. Bad analogy.

LaRue Martin was and is the biggest bust in NBA history as he was out of the league completely after four years. Kwame is still playing 10 years after being drafted. Get your facts straight.

Posted by: and_1 | February 12, 2010 12:12 PM | Report abuse

The year Oden and Durant came out everyone and there mother would have taken Oden over Durant. It was a no brainer. A potential dominant big man, who was supposed to be the next great cannot be passed up. Oden has just been snake bitten with injuries. That was out of his hands. Hindsight of course Durant would have been #1, but at the time Oden was a no brainer. Drafting is an inexact science. You have to take your information and make the best decision and pray it works out.

Posted by: ElBigChroizo | February 12, 2010 12:10 PM


When you draft for need instead of taking the best player it usually does not work out well.

Posted by: anacostia85 | February 12, 2010 12:15 PM | Report abuse

EG is an a$$.

He made this mess and he's only making it worse.

He so deserves fired.

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | February 12, 2010 12:16 PM | Report abuse

Oden was the best player available that year. Just happens that everyone typically develops amnesia after his career has been derailed by injuries. Oden and Durant were clearly 1 and 1A that year, but remember that Oden was supposed to be a David Robinson/Pat Ewing type of player. Injuries just have robbed him of having a good career.

Posted by: ElBigChroizo | February 12, 2010 12:18 PM | Report abuse

Portland took Sam Bowie over Michael Jordan and they will always be made fun of for that. Kwame was the biggest bust in NBA history and MJ will never live that down.

Posted by: anacostia85

Laughable!!!!

They drafted Bowie over the greatest player the game has ever seen. Jordan drafted Brown over Pau Gasol. Bad analogy.

LaRue Martin was and is the biggest bust in NBA history as he was out of the league completely after four years. Kwame is still playing 10 years after being drafted. Get your facts straight.

Posted by: and_1 | February 12, 2010 12:12 PM

Larue Martin was not kicked out of the league he retired.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LaRue_Martin

I suggest you check your facts.

Posted by: anacostia85 | February 12, 2010 12:19 PM | Report abuse

Pau Gasol was in the same draft as Kwame. What's sickening is treating Jordan as sacrosanct because of who he is....he didnt do a good enough job here. Did Abe backstab him? Probably, but I'm just talking about his results.

What a shame we missed out on drafting Adam Morrsion!

Posted by: divi3

Jordan didn't do a good enough job here? This team was old, non-athletic, overpaid and had at least one bona-fide head case (Rod Strickland). Three years later the team was younger and under the salary cap. The man traded the most untradeable salary in the league in Juwon Howard! Jordan was not the best GM and made his share of mistakes, but the way people talk you'd think he didn't do ANYTHING right.

BTW, who was going to pick Gasol number one? Krause, a guy who knows a thing or two about personnel, was all set to take Kwame Brown if he'd gotten the pick.

Posted by: and_1 | February 12, 2010 12:21 PM | Report abuse

I suggest you check your facts.

Posted by: anacostia85


Are you a liar too???

I said he was out of the league after four years. I didn't say he was kicked out.

BTW, the article you cite says LaRue Martin's considered the biggest bust of all time.

Get your facts straight.

Posted by: and_1 | February 12, 2010 12:24 PM | Report abuse

Boston is despirate at this point,EG does not need to give up both Cb and AJ with out a 1st round pick.The best will be to send AJ and DS for the expiring contract of RA they can consider Jc's contract to late the trade go or washington can web RA for boston to use him.I think it is a smart move for washington and boston will get back their sharp shooter with a depth in the front, they do not even need CB.
I will say it again ,CB will have better value next season.

Posted by: gtefferra | February 12, 2010 12:25 PM | Report abuse

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/si_blogs/scorecard/daily_list/2008/06/worst-nba-draft-lottery-picks-of-all.html

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/190626-nba-drafts-worst-picks-of-all-time

The length of time played does not prove anything. You did not say the man was kicked out of the league. I don't see Larue Martin on any lists of the worst draft picks while Kwame is always listed.

Posted by: anacostia85 | February 12, 2010 12:29 PM | Report abuse

The Sea dogs will not make a move. Irene Pollin will buy a new purse though, a Fendi for $13,888, her 34th.

Posted by: smc635 | February 12, 2010 12:29 PM | Report abuse

True fans will understand that having a 34 - 35 year old small forward in a power forward body is not going to make this team any better in the long run. Why sign Haywood to a big contract he's 30, by the time the team turns it around he'll be on the downside of his career and pushing 33 - 34 years old. What's the point in being competative. That is the problem with this franchise to appease season ticket holders and maintain a .500 record and flirt with the playoffs while other teams blow up the roster, get rid of high contracts, and buil through the draft and smart free agents signings. I'm sick of mediocrity and I'd be willing to sit through a couple fo bad seasons, make good draft picks, and build the right way. Screw mediocrity. Hit the bottom and work out of it. Treat this team almost like an expansion team. Play the young guys and if they can't cut it get rid of them. Nick Young needs to stop laughing like a school girl and put up or shut up. It kills me to see him laughing on the bench as the team is getting smoked on the court. If he can't play, ship him out of town for a soup and a sandwich. Time to start scouting John Wall, DeMarcus Cousins, Evan Turner, Wesley Johnson, Derrick Favors, and Donatas Motiejunas.

Posted by: ElBigChroizo | February 12, 2010 12:30 PM | Report abuse

The length of time played does not prove anything. You did not say the man was kicked out of the league. I don't see Larue Martin on any lists of the worst draft picks while Kwame is always listed.

Posted by: anacostia85

Look no further than the wikipedia article you cited. Martin is listed as the worst first overall pick in NBA history!

Posted by: and_1 | February 12, 2010 12:34 PM | Report abuse

darnell: what u smoking, dude?

Posted by: dcjazzman | February 12, 2010 12:37 PM | Report abuse

The length of time played does not prove anything. You did not say the man was kicked out of the league. I don't see Larue Martin on any lists of the worst draft picks while Kwame is always listed.

Posted by: anacostia85

Look no further than the wikipedia article you cited. Martin is listed as the worst first overall pick in NBA history!

Posted by: and_1 | February 12, 2010 12:34 PM

Yeah I can't find a list to back up that assertion though can you?

Posted by: anacostia85 | February 12, 2010 12:39 PM | Report abuse

They should just fix their offensive line! Oh wait, wrong article....

Not sure why you would trade Butler and Heywood for a guy that isn't nearly as productive as either one of them - unless you're just dumping salaries and starting over. Still, if that's the case, I'd rather see them get a couple draft picks than some guy that has proven he's mediocre at best in his few years in the NBA.

Posted by: AsstGM | February 12, 2010 12:45 PM | Report abuse

I finally found 1 with Larue Martin on it but he is not in the top spot

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/basketball/nba/2008-biggest-draft-busts.htm

Posted by: anacostia85 | February 12, 2010 12:45 PM | Report abuse

Grunfeld has proven himself incapable of building a contender. Our record does not lie, and even the diehard Grunfeld apologists in here no longer support him. So, the question is: Why are we letting him blow his own roster up and start all over again? When GMs start cleaning up their own messes, there is a conflict of interest. Having proven unsuccessful, there is a desire to improve the team quickly, or to tread water/shuffle line-ups to save your job at the expense of taking the long-term view of the organization. We need a New Guy with A Plan.

Trading our arguable second and third best active players (Caron & Haywood... leaving out Arenas due to uncertainty) for a jump-shooting, perimeter big man (Al Harrington) would be a disaster and hurts our future. Trading for an aging Hinrich, ditto. The rumored Celtics trade (Jamison & Butler) for expiring contracts is at least the Big Clean Out this organization needs. But it does nothing to address our lack of athleticism and gives us no young prospects or draft choices to groom. It also leaves it in Grunfeld's hands to make a major free agent signing with the ensuing free cap space. With his massive, ill-conceived deals for Arenas, Jamison, The Poet and his overpaying for Stevenson, I don't think he's proven himself the right guy to make such choices.

With Abe out of commission long before his passing, and ownership now in flux for a couple months, I would like to know if there is anyone in the Wizards organization other than Irene Pollin, ie. someone with basketball acumen, holding Grunfeld accountable for this mess. Who is Grunfeld working for these days? Who does he report to? Do they have a long-term strategy to rebuild the franchise? Or is Grunfeld just making decisions in limbo, beholden to no one and free to do whatever he wants to try to save his job?

The teams of the future (Oklahoma, Atlanta, Cleveland) are fast, strong, athletic, committed, professional... everything our current cast of underachievers and physically-limited roster is not. Why are we letting the guy who assembled this roster start from scratch?

Posted by: SammyT1 | February 12, 2010 12:51 PM | Report abuse

Clean house, trade everyone, get as many expiring contracts and draft picks as possible, and try again!

Posted by: KDSmallJr | February 12, 2010 12:52 PM | Report abuse

"Grunfeld has proven himself incapable of building a contender. "

The NY Knicks would disagree.

Posted by: kalo_rama | February 12, 2010 12:57 PM | Report abuse

why are you guys arguing over spilt milk: hamilton vs stackhouse, etc. who cares? we need to figure out NOW and next year!

Posted by: dcjazzman | February 12, 2010 12:58 PM | Report abuse

http://www.journal-news.com/s/content/oh/story/sports/pro/2007/06/28/ddn062807nbadraft.html

"LaRue Martin, Portland. Odds are Oden is no Martin, and that's a good thing. All the Trail Blazers did was waste their No. 1 pick in 1972 on what is generally labeled the most bone-headed choice in NBA draft history."


http://hoopshype.com/columns/timberwolves_johnson.htm

"The former Clipper could very well replace Larue Martin as the worst No. 1 pick in the history of the NBA."

Posted by: and_1 | February 12, 2010 1:01 PM | Report abuse

why are you guys arguing over spilt milk: hamilton vs stackhouse, etc. who cares? we need to figure out NOW and next year!

Posted by: dcjazzman | February 12, 2010 12:58 PM

If you don't know history you will repeat the same mistakes. This team has never rebuilt properly they are always mediocre. We trade away draft picks we can't afford to and we deal young talent for veterans who are either on the way down or have reached the pinnacle of their development.

Posted by: anacostia85 | February 12, 2010 1:05 PM | Report abuse

Michael Jordan set the table for Ernie Grunfeld. Remember? Washington had the cap room to sign Arenas because of Jordan's trades and personnel decisions, including getting rid of Juwon Howard's albatross of a contract.
Finally, Abe Pollin hired Eddie Jordan who led the team to the playoffs. Grunfeld hasn't done a thing since Eddie's firing except spend money like a drunken sailor and lead the team right into the gutter.
I say Jordan's the better GM right now.


Posted by: 2020doc | February 12, 2010 11:34 AM | Report abuse

You make it sound like Kwame Brown was considered the 25th best prospect in the draft on draft day and Michael reached to pick him. Kwame and Tyson Chandler were considered the two best prospects in draft that year. Kwame won out because he had a better body and was considered to more offensively skilled than Chandler.
Why would Michael Jordan give up the number one overall pick for an undersized power forward who's never won anything?? Please!

Posted by: 2020doc | February 12, 2010 11:43 AM | Report abuse


you have a severe revisionist streak, don't you? First off, We signed Arenas before the 03-04 season. Howard's contract ran out at the end of 02-03.

Yes, Jordan was able to get us out from under the last two years of Howard's contract, but if Howards contract was truly so untradeable, how come Dallas was then able to trade him again for the biggest payout year ($20 million) During his worst season to that point of his entire career?

Secondly, it was well documented that Jordan picked Kwame because he was impressed that Kwame went up to him and said something along the lines of "If you pick me, you won't be sorry." you know, cuz if a 17 yo is willing to walk up to Jordan, the greatest living creature of all times, then that kid is going to be a star.

Just saying...your points are close to being right, but your supporting facts are suspect at best.

Posted by: Blurred | February 12, 2010 1:06 PM | Report abuse


http://www.journal-news.com/s/content/oh/story/sports/pro/2007/06/28/ddn062807nbadraft.html

"LaRue Martin, Portland. Odds are Oden is no Martin, and that's a good thing. All the Trail Blazers did was waste their No. 1 pick in 1972 on what is generally labeled the most bone-headed choice in NBA draft history."


http://hoopshype.com/columns/timberwolves_johnson.htm

"The former Clipper could very well replace Larue Martin as the worst No. 1 pick in the history of the NBA."

Posted by: and_1 | February 12, 2010 1:01 PM

Good links.

Posted by: anacostia85 | February 12, 2010 1:11 PM | Report abuse

I just wished the coach had Jamison in more of a play-maker roll rather than a go-to guy on offense. You can't build team cohesiveness and a foundation for productiveness around unconventional flip shots and turn around baseline jumpers. I don't doubt his attitude, intensity, and leadership.

But we saw what Butler is capable of when he doesn't hold on to the ball too long. Nice jumpers, and good powerful drives. Keep Butler. I think Miller, Butler, and the young bigs are the core. Any pg would do as long as they're not a score-first pg.

Posted by: normalPerson | February 12, 2010 11:55 AM |

Jamison is not a playmaker he is a scorer.

Posted by: anacostia85 | February 12, 2010 11:58 AM

Fair enough. My point is he shouldn't be the go-to guy even though he gets the most points. Those points are misleading. Jamison shouldn't be the first option. If he gets an offensive rebound? fine. Open for a three? great. But, designed plays where he'll end up doing a falling down errant flip shot in the post? Only to end up missing and looking at the ref in the 4th quarter? It happens too much.

Posted by: normalPerson | February 12, 2010 1:13 PM | Report abuse

Grunfeld needs to go.

The problem with the Wizards is the same one that haunted the Redskins after JKC died.

Because of the sale the team was in limbo and tasks such as resigning Trent Green to a long-term contract were let go and he went on to be a pro bowler in the 2000's for other teams.

Ditto here.

The Wizards have marketable assets to deal.

Haywood as an inside depth player should have decent value given his consistent production.

Butler at 29 should be imminently tradeable.

Jamison is 33 and needs to find the right niche, but a deal here for expiring contracts might be the best solution.

If another team wants Stevenson or Foye in a deal for a draft pick the Wizards should consider that as well.

With the right GM I could see 5 or 6 players traded.

Grunfeld?

He's like a sea turtle. Nothing with him ever seems to be high energy. He looks lethargic addressing the media, as if he spends most of the day taking a nap.

Posted by: leopard09 | February 12, 2010 1:13 PM | Report abuse

"Grunfeld has proven himself incapable of building a contender. "

'The NY Knicks would disagree.'

What gets lost in evaluations of his tenure in NY is that he had Patrick Ewing to start with, not to mention Anthony Mason, Charles Oakley, Doc Rivers and John Starks. That's a bruising, intelligent, hard-working line-up. He didn't 'build' the contending Knicks, he inherited and tweaked it. Despite their wealth of talent, he could never bring Ewing or the team or a championship and got them to the finals only once (which they lost). He brought the Bucks back to respectability (.540 during his tenure), but never to the point of serious contention. He did much the same with the Wizards, until the last two seasons, which anyone not on good drugs would have to admit have been an unmitigated disaster.

Still, it's heartening to see there are still a couple of endangered Grunfeld apologists out there in the wilderness.

Posted by: SammyT1 | February 12, 2010 1:15 PM | Report abuse

@Blurred

First, it's a whole lot easier to trade a bad a contract in the last year of the contract. Howard was not in the last year of his contract when Jordan traded him.

Secondly, I guess Brown must have made similar statements to other GMs (like Krause) and personnel folks who thought he had the brightest future and was worthy of the pick. That con artist Kwame!!

Posted by: and_1 | February 12, 2010 1:17 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: anacostia85 | February 12, 2010 1:24 PM | Report abuse

he is a con artist.

I do think that trading Juwan's contract was the one good move Jordan did make happen. It's just that I think another GM may have been able to do it also. When we traded him, he was having an 18/7 year, which was abotu his average. Lots of teams would like that. And even though it is easy to pile on Juwan, he actually played decent D and could pass the ball, too. He was a pretty well rounded ball player with good athleticism and a fairly consistenly good career.

He was cursed with becoming a free agent in that crazy year. Kind of like this year's Free agency. He got paid what people were bidding for him, and could never meet those expectations.

But your point was that Jordan got rid of his salary which enabled us to sign Arenas. There is nop correlation between the two, because even if Juwan had stayed with the Wiz, his contract would have expired by the time we signed Arenas.

thats all I'm saying. That and just cuz a couple other guys were going to make the mistake of choosing Kwame doesn't mean that it was a good move on Jordan's part.

Posted by: Blurred | February 12, 2010 1:28 PM | Report abuse

Secondly, I guess Brown must have made similar statements to other GMs (like Krause) and personnel folks who thought he had the brightest future and was worthy of the pick. That con artist Kwame!!

Posted by: and_1

"I make the same mistakes other people were going to make."

Wonder if that's on Jordan's resume.

Posted by: divi3 | February 12, 2010 1:38 PM | Report abuse

"What gets lost in evaluations of his tenure in NY is that he had Patrick Ewing to start with, not to mention Anthony Mason, Charles Oakley, Doc Rivers and John Starks"

By the time they got to the Finals in '99, Ewing was old and injured (he missed a large portion of the postseason, including the Finals) and most of those others were gone. In fact, every player on that '99 Finals team other than Ewing was acquired by Grunfeld.

"He didn't 'build' the contending Knicks, he inherited and tweaked it. Despite their wealth of talent, he could never bring Ewing or the team or a championship and got them to the finals only once (which they lost)."

Wrong on three counts. First, during Grunfeld's tenure as GM the Knicks got to the Finals twice, in '94 and '99. Second, as I've already noted, every player other than Ewing on the '99 team was brought in by Grunfeld. Third, you said, and I quote: "Grunfeld has proven himself incapable of building a contender." Flatly untrue. By any reasonable definition, getting to the league Finals of any sport counts meets the criteria of being a "contender" regardless of the outcome.

Posted by: kalo_rama | February 12, 2010 1:40 PM | Report abuse

"I make the same mistakes other people were going to make."

Wonder if that's on Jordan's resume.

Posted by: divi3

It's certainly on Grunfeld's.

Posted by: and_1 | February 12, 2010 1:55 PM | Report abuse

AJ & CB to Boston...

Could be posturing to get Cleveland to up the offer for Jamison...something like, "include Hickson in the AJ deal or we hand Boston the East..."

If we do end up doing the deal with Boston, I hope we get a 2012 first round pick out of it. With KG on the decline, it leaves them with a headcase for a point guard plus AJ & CB. We know what that means...Lottery Pick!.

Posted by: cballer | February 12, 2010 1:56 PM | Report abuse

You'd be hard pressed to find many people who think that MJ has shown himself to be a better GM that Grunfeld.

Wiz went to postseason 4x under EG, Knicks were in Finals, Bucks played well above .500

vs

26-25 at the AS Break this year. Whooppee!

and i'm by no means advocating for EG

Posted by: divi3 | February 12, 2010 2:04 PM | Report abuse

26-25 at the AS Break this year. Whooppee!

Posted by: divi3

That's precisely what the fans in Charlotte are saying!

Meanwhile, Wizards fans are crying in their beer over a season that was supposed to be "Our Time". Yikes!

Posted by: and_1 | February 12, 2010 2:09 PM | Report abuse

You know...I was just looking at Juwan's stats. he has over 15,000 pts and almost 7500 rebounds.

Same with Sheed and Webber. Between the three of them, that is 21,000+ rebounds and almost 50,000 pts.

Add in big Ben and you get over 30,000 rebounds.

So i guess what we can say is that Wess could draft front court. He just couldn't manage anything?

Posted by: Blurred | February 12, 2010 2:09 PM | Report abuse

Kalo-- I think the guy's point is that your dismissive, snide, snarky comment - "the NY knicks would disagree, hmppf" - is a little off, like most of your junk on here. Grunfeld became the knicks GM/Pres in February 1996 - I just looked it up. Thus, he inherited a decent team and tweaked it. His biggest moves got him fired - signing Sprewell and trading for Camby - and then they happened to be fruitful during a quick, lucky run to the finals as the 8 seed following MJ's 2nd retirement. (And then the team returned to earth). He did not build a kingdom in NY. And all of this only matters, because - for the 3,000th time in a row, you chose to be snarky about someone's innocent comment instead of just being cool. The guy's point was that Grunsfeld's work in NY was not all that. I agree. You apparently think he built a dynasty around Charlie Ward. Just be less snarky, man.

On a different vein, but similar, I think that trade(s) laid out by Darnell yesterday made a lot of sense. It was the first reasonable thing I've heard and still involved us giving up a lot but at least we got one or two ok young guys. Of course, the first comment was "I want to smoke what you're smoking." WHY?? THe guy outlined a decent and reasonable trade - it wasn't like he'd suggested Gil for Kobe like someone else did yesterday. But the superior gods chimed in and declared it CRAZY. For the record, Darnell, I thought it was a smart, clever suggestion.

Posted by: Urnesto | February 12, 2010 2:14 PM | Report abuse

"Meanwhile, Wizards fans are crying in their beer over a season that was supposed to be "Our Time"

that's the truth!

Posted by: divi3 | February 12, 2010 2:21 PM | Report abuse

From the bog:
Ted Leonsis discusses Arenas situation

Amidst all the uncertainty surrounding his attempted purchase of the Washington Wizards, Ted Leonsis has--to the best of my knowledge--avoided talking about the Wizards' current problems. Thursday afternoon on 106.7's LaVar and Dukes program, though, Leonsis offered at least some vague thoughts on the situation, calling himself "more a healer than I am a breaker-upper."

To get into the issue, LaVar Arrington asked Leonsis whether his general business plan with the Capitals could translate into an NBA franchise, and how he might go about cleaning up the Wizards mess.

"Well, we're at a very sensitive time in discussions and the process, and so it's inappropriate for me to talk about specifics," Leonsis said. "But I will say Mr. Pollin was kind of the archetype of teaching owners that teams are a public trust. He was beloved in the city, he gave a lot back, and when you look at when something has gone off track, it's usually because that double bottom line was missed. Our--and when I say our, I guess I can say that, we own 44 percent of the [Wizards], we just don't run it--but the Wizards' biggest issue right now is that its franchise player, its best player is not happy right now. For numerous reasons. And he's a great person and a great player, but something got off track."

Arrington interjected to ask whether the mess can be repaired. LaVar specifically asked whether Gilbert's relationship with the Wizards could be repaired, but it sounded like in his response, Leonsis was talking more generally about the franchise's relationship with the community.

"I don't know how the story will end, but I'm certainly someone who deals with things [with] a very open mind," Leonsis replied. "I'm more a healer than I am a breaker-upper, right? And my belief is that Abe built something of great value that the city loves....So my belief is that this formula can work on any business, and I'm hopeful that we find a way to buy this [team] and close [the deal] and make everybody proud."

Posted by: anacostia85 | February 12, 2010 2:39 PM | Report abuse

"Grunfeld became the knicks GM/Pres in February 1996 - I just looked it up. "

Look again. He was named VP and General Manager in July of 1993, and in that position, he was in charge of player acquisition, including drafts and FA signings, prior to their 1994 Finals appearance

"His biggest moves got him fired - signing Sprewell and trading for Camby - and then they happened to be fruitful during a quick, lucky run to the finals as the 8 seed following MJ's 2nd retirement."

None of which in any meaningful way refutes the truth of my statement: He built a team that made it to the Finals. Period. The Knicks got to the NBA Finals with a team consisting of all but one player acquired by Grunfeld and a coach he hired. He built that team. Period. Therefore any suggestion that has proven himself incapable of doing so is patently false.

"The guy's point was that Grunsfeld's work in NY was not all that. I agree. "

Which makes you just as wrong as him. Congrats.

Oh, and by the way, how have the Knicks been doing since they fired Grunfeld? For a guy who wasn't "all that," it's quite telling that his tenure as GM was the highwater mark of the Knicks franchise over the past 20 years.

"Just be less snarky, man."

Just be less wrong.

Posted by: kalo_rama | February 12, 2010 2:41 PM | Report abuse

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/story/12915698/does-pitino-want-to-coach-lowly-nets-well-who-wouldnt

Nice read on the Nets who are rebuilding the correct way we should take note.

Posted by: anacostia85 | February 12, 2010 2:44 PM | Report abuse

I EARLIER SAID TRADE BUTLER AND STEVENSON FOR BLAIR FROM SAN ANTONIO.I MEANT JAMISON AND STEVENSON.THAT WOULD GIVE WASHINGTON A REAL POWERFORWADE FOR THE FIRST TIME IN YEARS.SA SHOULD ALSO THROW IN A FIRST AND SECOND ROUNDER.PICK UP BLAKE FROM PORTLAND FOR FOYE AND TWO SECOND ROUNDERS AND WASHINGTON CAN CONTEND THIS YEAR AND HAVE TWO FIRST ROUNDERS FOR NEXT YEARE

Posted by: lowery81 | February 12, 2010 3:43 PM | Report abuse

Spurs wont trade Blair. They stole him at our expense. The only player they truly want to dump is Richard Jefferson, and nobody wants him for the money he is getting paid. The Spurs are waiting till next year to bring in Thiago Splitter, and when that happens, they will once again be in position to challenge for a championship. The Spurs problem is similar to the Wizards: They are lacking a slasher/athlete to cover Kobe and their overall athlticsism has regresed. When Splitter arrives next year, they will add an athlete who can run, jump, rebound and score to complement their core players. As for the Wizards, it's time to get bigger, stronger, and faster. If any of these trade rumors do not net players with the ability to play defense, the rebuilding process will only take longer.

Posted by: Raef | February 12, 2010 4:13 PM | Report abuse

I EARLIER SAID TRADE BUTLER AND STEVENSON FOR BLAIR FROM SAN ANTONIO.I MEANT JAMISON AND STEVENSON.THAT WOULD GIVE WASHINGTON A REAL POWERFORWADE FOR THE FIRST TIME IN YEARS.SA SHOULD ALSO THROW IN A FIRST AND SECOND ROUNDER.PICK UP BLAKE FROM PORTLAND FOR FOYE AND TWO SECOND ROUNDERS AND WASHINGTON CAN CONTEND THIS YEAR AND HAVE TWO FIRST ROUNDERS FOR NEXT YEARE

Posted by: lowery81 | February 12, 2010 3:43 PM | Report abuse


Still asking if this is a joke...but I guess not.

Just asking...how old is blake? Maybe we could do with him like we did Michael Adams...keep him around and then lose him for the prime of his career and welcome him back whenhe is on the decline?

Posted by: Blurred | February 12, 2010 4:26 PM | Report abuse

Iguadala is a free agent next year ..so we don't lose anythimg at small forward this year annd we get rid of Butlers salary next year and we shake up the chemistry and see what that does. The rest of the trades come over the summer.

Posted by: bobilly2 | February 12, 2010 6:49 PM | Report abuse

Kalorama wrote,

"Oh, and by the way, how have the Knicks been doing since they fired Grunfeld? For a guy who wasn't "all that," it's quite telling that his tenure as GM was the highwater mark of the Knicks franchise over the past 20 years."

And how have the Wizards been doing since they hired Grunfeld? For a guy who is 'all that', it's quite telling that his tenure as Wizards GM, (especially last year, the worst winning percentage in 42 years, and this year), to the low water mark of the Wizards franchise over the past 20, err, 40 years.

"By the time they got to the Finals in '99, Ewing was old and injured (he missed a large portion of the postseason, including the Finals) and most of those others were gone. In fact, every player on that '99 Finals team other than Ewing was acquired by Grunfeld."

Without Ewing, it is doubtful they would have made the playoffs (they were barely an eighth seed), and his injury during them was a major reason they lost against the center-heavy Spurs. Most of the good players he 'acquired', he got trading good players he inherited. His record with number one draft choices as Knicks GM - Charlie Ward, Monte Williams, Dontae Jones, Walter Mccarthy, John Wallace, John Thomas, Sean Marks, Demarco Johnson and J.R. Koch - is a who? and who's-who of lousy by any measure.

Posted by: SammyT1 | February 12, 2010 8:03 PM | Report abuse

Denver is the team they need to be talking to. They need another big man if they want to be taken seriously in the playoffs.

J.R. Smith and a couple of first rounders would work just fine here.

Posted by: b1978367 | February 12, 2010 8:05 PM | Report abuse

bobilly2 - you said it well....

It appears the fuel behind ANY trade at this point is cap space to build a new team once the season is over. Screw the rest of THIS season, screw the bench (b/c no matter what they are not allowed to play), screw the fans. If the Wiz GM just comes out & says - WE ARE DOING IT FOR THE $$$$, it may be the first honest thing they have said in a very long time.)

Stop regarding the fans as idiots. The Wiz org has written off this season, yet they EXPECT the fans to remain loyal. I really feel the fan base is DONE & they better start some new marketing campaign to REBUILD THAT.

I wonder if Haywood has expressed his desire NOT to resign next season, so just dash him away now... With all the foolishness that appears to be coming from the front office, I don't blame him.

And why are we keeping Jamison? Loyalty to HIM, seeing the team improve, not the fans. And Butler - he is the one teams want, so why not dangle him to GET THE CAP SPACE... the only reason we are having this conversation. I just might have to start wearing all black to the games... b/c being a Wizards fan is no longer pleasing to me... My seat is paid for, so if I have to sit there & check email for 4 quarters, that is what I will be doing..

Posted by: 2StepsAway | February 12, 2010 8:51 PM | Report abuse

& let's stop taking about the cavs. they will GLADLY take Jamison, Butler, Haywood.... but of course will give nothing in return. Oh wait, all we are looking for is cap space... Never mind...

Posted by: 2StepsAway | February 12, 2010 8:52 PM | Report abuse

2stepsaway- I don't think they are going to just blow up this team for CAP space. That just wouldn't make sense. They would lose alot of seson ticket holders like yourself. I am sure that Grunfeld is aware of Leonsis wishes and it sounds like Leonsis doesn't want anything drastic to happen from the interview he gave Lavar Arrinton. Leonsis made it clear that he owned 44% of the team and sounded confident that he would be running the team soon.

Posted by: bobilly2 | February 12, 2010 9:24 PM | Report abuse

Then how do we explain the trades proposed?? from what I see, not one proposed player can match what we would lose in Butler & Haywood.... Perhaps when it is all said & done Grunfield will talk to the fans & be on the level... But from what I am seeing now... cap beats stats...

Posted by: 2StepsAway | February 12, 2010 10:20 PM | Report abuse

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