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Ilgauskas's agent: No prearranged deal with Cleveland

Zydrunas Ilgauskas's agent, Herb Rudoy, is still speaking with Wizards President Ernie Grunfeld in hopes of working out a buyout agreement in the next few days. Ilgauskas won't wear a Wizards No. 17 jersey, but there is speculation that the NBA won't allow Ilgauskas to return to the Cleveland Cavaliers this season, either.

The Los Angeles Times is reporting that the NBA has told teams that the league won't let Ilgauskas go back to Cleveland based on evidence of a prearranged deal. When asked about the suspicions of a wink-and-nod agreement between Ilgauskas and the Cavaliers, Rudoy sent a text message that read, "There is absolutely no truth to it. Ernie and I are still working on a buyout!"

The Wizards don't have to do a buyout for Ilgauskas, since they already have dipped under luxury tax territory. They certainly have the leverage to get the kind of financial relief they desire from Ilgauskas, who already received $600,000 from his trade kicker. Rudoy told Yahoo! Sports that he expects the two sides to agree on a buyout "Monday or Tuesday."

The money Washington receives from Ilgauskas, they will likely use to add some more frontcourt depth. The Wizards have just 11 players available and JaVale McGee played with a strained tendon in his right wrist on Saturday in Toronto.

"There is a chance we might bring in one guy or make that a rotating spot" with players from the NBA Developmental League, Saunders said on Saturday. "We're pretty much open."

Ilgauskas has no desire to play in Washington and returned home to Cleveland immediately after taking his physical with the Wizards on Friday. He has played with the Cavaliers for his entire 14-year career. Although Dallas and Atlanta have expressed interest in signing Ilgauskas, the 7-foot-3 center is expected to join the team after waiting 30 days from the time he was traded. After the Wizards acquired Ilgauskas in the Antawn Jamison trade on Wednesday, Rudoy told the Cleveland Plain Dealer, "His heart truly is in Cleveland."

"This is my team,'' Ilgauskas told the Plain Dealer. "I'm going to be mad, but not so mad that I wouldn't come back. I understand it's a business. This is my home. No matter what happens in the future, that will never change.''

Los Angeles Lakers Coach Phil Jackson and Boston Celtics Coach Doc Rivers have both criticized the trade, assuming that Ilgauskas will be Jamison's teammate before the playoffs.

"They're going to get Ilgauskas back and it's going to be one of those scenarios that we see in the NBA where you ship a player out, you get another player, then your player retires or they pay him off and then he comes back in 30 days," Jackson told reporters in Los Angeles after the trade was completed. "I don't know what that does for the league. I think that's kind of a weird situation."

Rivers's indignation seems odd, since he actually benefit from situation five years ago. The Celtics traded Gary Payton to the Atlanta Hawks for Antoine Walker and Payton returned after the Hawks waived him.

"I actually do have a problem with that though. We did it, and I'm joking, but I do think" it's a problem, Rivers said. "I don't know what you do...just not allow them to go back to the same team or whatever. I do think that will be changed eventually, but I do have a problem with it."

Grunfeld has also been criticized by one unnamed New York Knicks executive, who believe that the former Knicks general manager stuck it to his former team by giving LeBron James the missing piece to a championship. The executive told the New York Daily News, "It was as if the Wizards said, "You want Antawn Jamison? Well, here he is, take him,'" said one Knick executive. "They handed him over, just like the Timberwolves gave Kevin Garnett to the Celtics."

All this and Cleveland is 0-3 since making the trade.

By Michael Lee  |  February 21, 2010; 10:22 PM ET
 
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Comments

Phil Jackson shouldn't be talking about devious business practices. It is still a mystery to conspiracy theorists how the Lakers obtained Pau Gasol for absolutely nothing in return.

Posted by: MeviousMan | February 21, 2010 10:56 PM | Report abuse

This is a great, timely article.

I'm wondering, are the Wizards far enough under the cap yet to bring back Paul Davis without going over the cap? Davis is a veteran, played three years for the Clips, so I'm assuming that he would get at least the veteran minimum prorated to the remainder of the season. I think he would be a perfect fit for the team's frontcourt needs.

Posted by: PostSubscriber | February 21, 2010 11:26 PM | Report abuse

Obviously there was a pre-arrainged deal, of course there was. Not knocking the Cavs, everyone would do the same thing.

The rule is a joke. At least make it so that the bought-out player can't re-join the team that just traded him.

Posted by: b_standig | February 21, 2010 11:29 PM | Report abuse

I say trade him to dallas or atlanta for another draft pick. We're gonna lose him anyway, might as well get something for him and at the same time stick it to cleveland, who suck.

Posted by: bbachrac | February 21, 2010 11:36 PM | Report abuse

Get him out of here.Howard,Singleton,and Thornton have shown that they want to play.Who needs clowns like Gooden and this guy?

Posted by: seanmg | February 21, 2010 11:37 PM | Report abuse

bbachrac, ever heard of the trade deadline?

Posted by: dfresh58 | February 22, 2010 12:03 AM | Report abuse

No doubt the Wizards were winking and nodding as much as anyone in this deal. LA and Boston are just pissed because the Cavs had an expiring contract to throw in for Jamison, and they didn't. And that Knicks exec is obviously quite stoned, and paranoid.

Posted by: creativefunk | February 22, 2010 12:07 AM | Report abuse

We should do whatever we can to keep Ilgauskus away from Cleveland. It seems like they've struggled without, and a struggling cavs team is always a good thing

Posted by: bullets8890 | February 22, 2010 12:30 AM | Report abuse

I don't think the Lakers are that pissed at much of anything. I still put them at about an 80% chance to win it all.

Posted by: rphilli721 | February 22, 2010 3:35 AM | Report abuse

"Los Angeles Lakers Coach Phil Jackson and Boston Celtics Coach Doc Rivers have both criticized the trade, assuming that Ilgauskas will be Jamison's teammate before the playoffs."

Well, of course they criticized the trade, as they're the two coaches who stand to lose the most because of it. I'm still not sure Cleveland has the pieces to win a title. And LA and Boston would have done exactly the same thing the Cavs are doing in the same situation.

Funny how those other clubs seem to value Jamison more than the Wiz fans did, however.

Posted by: Samson151 | February 22, 2010 5:27 AM | Report abuse

Huh, shows how much you know sometimes, always thought the buyout trade was agreed two in advance as a part of the trade to begin with.

The fact that preagreement is not supposed to occur, I find rather amusing.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | February 22, 2010 7:13 AM | Report abuse

EG has to make the right action for the future well well being of the wiz.Send this big man back to ohio.If they win james remain in ohio.If james stay in ohio there will be an open market for gilbert to get a buyer.Wiz can send him to orlando for a player or two.I will be happy if Bass is included in the trade.

Posted by: gtefferra | February 22, 2010 7:19 AM | Report abuse

The Cavs should have left things alone. They didnt need Amare or Jamison. Neither plays defense. Now, the chemistry has been disrupted.

If they lose in the playoffs again (with AJ pulling a 5-16), LeBron will be in NY with another max guy.

If James was smart, he'd go to NY regardless of how the Cavs fare. In the D'Antoni uptempo system, he'd be the first guy to average a triple dbl since Oscar. If the system can make a good player like Nash a 2-time MVP, imagine what it could do for a great player like James.

Posted by: original_mark | February 22, 2010 7:24 AM | Report abuse

Original_mark, I know what you mean by saying that LJ will flourish in D'antoni's system, but as good as he is, I don't think it is possible for anyone to break Oscar's triple double record now.

It still boggles my mind that Oscar Robinson even did it.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | February 22, 2010 7:35 AM | Report abuse

Honestly, I could care less where Lebron plays, but I would prefer it not be with NY. The last thing I need is another reason for New Yorkers to think they are better than everyone else.

Posted by: outtabullets | February 22, 2010 7:42 AM | Report abuse

The appraised value of Washington Sports & Entertainment is $900 mil. The Pollins value is put at $500 mil for their 56% share.

Ted of course owns 44% and is worth the remaining $400 mil. Did Ted not offer the $500 mil for the Pollins share?

Mind you that the Staple Center and the Lakers the highest valued NBA franchise is only valued at $463 mil.

The VZ and the team together is only valued around $350 mil. The difference comes from Ticketmaster and other holdings by WS&E LP.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | February 22, 2010 7:46 AM | Report abuse

How much is Ilgaukas making for games he fails to play in?

Posted by: G-Man11 | February 22, 2010 7:58 AM | Report abuse

Nothing. The more games he misses the less the Wizs have to pay for the buyout.

And lets hope Ernie will really will be tight with the dollars he does get.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | February 22, 2010 8:11 AM | Report abuse

These foreign players have to love America where you can make a ton of NBA money for basically being an average player or in this case get $600,000 for being traded. What a deal.

Posted by: fearturtle44 | February 22, 2010 8:19 AM | Report abuse

Let's hope tonight's game doesnt hinge on Earl's ability to check Rose

Posted by: divi3 | February 22, 2010 9:06 AM | Report abuse

I have been reading some comments from the Dallas Maverick fans concerning the recent trade. They all seem to be dogging Howard out. This is my comments to them.

I have been watching the Wizards/Bullets for the past 45 years. You guys in Dallas may find out that you got the bad end of the deal. Carron Butler is a turnover machine who seems to have a low basketball I.Q. Watch how many times he dribbles the ball off his leg, take bad shots, and make bad passes. Brendan Haywood will not bring his A game on a nightly bases. It looked like to me that he was just playing for a new contract and will revert back to his old bad habits. You will soon see him disappear in crunch time. I have watched the last 3 Wizards games and with what they got from Dallas and the Clippers EG made out like a fat rat. Give it about 15 games and I am sure you will agree with my statements.

Posted by: jahjank | February 22, 2010 9:16 AM | Report abuse

Let's hope tonight's game doesnt hinge on Earl's ability to check Rose

Posted by: divi3 | February 22, 2010 9:06 AM | Report abuse

What's that kid's name at PG.....WALL? Let's put him on the roster ASAP. And trade ILGAUSKAS for a pick.

Posted by: glawrence007 | February 22, 2010 9:19 AM | Report abuse

So, if I'm understanding the article correctly, Cleveland didn't give up anything in the trade for AJ?? Ilgauskas gets to go back to the team that traded him. How convenient is that? The Wiz should have made Cleveland give up Hickson if they wanted AJ that bad.. Another 3 or 4 years before the Wiz can see the playoffs...how lovely!!

Posted by: htnba2003 | February 22, 2010 9:57 AM | Report abuse

see dfresh? I'm not the only one that wants to trade ilguaskis...ever heard of the summer?

Posted by: bbachrac | February 22, 2010 9:58 AM | Report abuse

Another 3 or 4 years before the Wiz can see the playoffs...how lovely!!

Posted by: htnba2003 | February 22, 2010 9:57 AM


`
don't feel so bad.

Another 3 or 4 years before any1 other than the Lakers, Cavs, or Magic can win a Championship.

Posted by: Vicc | February 22, 2010 10:00 AM | Report abuse

Let's hope tonight's game doesnt hinge on Earl's ability to check Rose

Posted by: divi3 | February 22, 2010 9:06 AM

I know that Earl obviously has his "short"comings, but I think he was given an undeserved beatdown on these boards yesterday. I'm referring to the 4th quarter of the Toronto game when Jarrett Jack went off. Wasn't Mike Miller checking JJ, and Earl checking Calderon? Correct me if I'm wrong.

Posted by: Bellman | February 22, 2010 10:03 AM | Report abuse

I still don't understand this trade. Why didn't the Wizards just take the 1st round draft pick and nothing else. What was the point of taking Ilgauskus?

Posted by: richs91 | February 22, 2010 10:06 AM | Report abuse

As much as I admire Jamison it wouldn't bother me a bit to see Cleveland tank the rest of the season.

Posted by: boblas | February 22, 2010 10:07 AM | Report abuse

We need rotational big men? Fine, let Big Z play, this will ease all concerns from the league.

Quite frankly, I too believe that this loophole ought to be closed!

If there is no wink-and-nod, what is the point of buying Big Z out, and use the "saving" to sign a development league player (made no mistake, BigZ will keep the majority of the money, the "saving" is rather small in comparison to his salary)? Why not paying the same money and just play him? I can guarantee you that BigZ is better than any player you can sign with the so-called "saving."

Posted by: sagaliba | February 22, 2010 10:10 AM | Report abuse

I say trade him to dallas or atlanta for another draft pick. We're gonna lose him anyway, might as well get something for him... bbachrac | February 21, 2010 11:36 PM | Report abuse

This seems like a useful suggestion. What is wrong with this? The player has some value to a playoff team. Do the Wiz want to save more money at this point or help the rebuilding process?

Posted by: EdDC | February 22, 2010 10:17 AM | Report abuse

jahjank,

I guess you don't follow the Mavericks, do you? The criticism you have on Haywood is exactly the same criticism they have on Dampier! And they are already paying Dampier chunk of money to "not bring A-game every night!" LOL. Besides, they don't have any choice anyway, Dampier is hurt (he was hampered by injuries all season, and now is out), they need a center for the playoff run, and Haywood is the best available out there! In fact, I fault EG for not getting more from Dallas for the trade!

Posted by: sagaliba | February 22, 2010 10:19 AM | Report abuse

I still don't understand this trade. Why didn't the Wizards just take the 1st round draft pick and nothing else. What was the point of taking Ilgauskus?

Posted by: richs91 | February 22, 2010 10:06 AM |

To get the $10M+ expiring contract, so that the Wiz will have more cap room for free agents in the offseason. Jamison was under contract for two more seasons.

That is really the only importance of Ilgauskus to the Wizards.

Posted by: cannontl | February 22, 2010 10:21 AM | Report abuse

Larry. Sometimes you make no sense. You act like they don't have practice. Once players are away they have free will. When Nick Young was always in Gallery PLace laughing it up, could he have been in the practice gym next door? Sure.

What's the difference between Gil getting a reputation for being a gym rat/hard worker and Dray getting a reputation for being a club hopper?

Not the coaches. It's an internal drive to want to be better and improve. Why after 5 years has Dray decided to take his craft more serious?

I don't care if you come out early. It's not an excuse not to want to get better. If anything it's more of a reason to put in the extra work. If you wanna go early, work harder.

This offseason Kobe SOUGHT OUT Hakeen Olajuwon to improve his post game. He did that on his own because he wanted to get better. Winning championships, and MVPs and everything he's accomplished...he still does it ON HIS OWN. So you're telling me someone who has accomploshed as much as JM, NY, AB, or ANYONE on the roster can use coaching as an excuse?

Since everyone likes real life examples, go to your job and keep telling your boss you don't know how to do something...or that you need to be "coached up" all the time. See where your ass ends up.

Basically baby-sitting grown men, paid professionals, is a "loser mentality" if I've ever heard one.

Posted by: SDMDTSU | February 22, 2010 10:22 AM | Report abuse

@EdDC
The trade deadline has passed and at the end of the regular season, Ilgauskus is an unrestricted free agent.

As far as the buy out, the Zards can hard ball Z since they are already under the luxury tax penalty.

They can tell Rudoy if his client wants to play in the playoffs this season, he'll have to accept whatever deal the Zards offer, or suit up to play here.

Posted by: bozomoeman | February 22, 2010 10:26 AM | Report abuse

ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ ! Z IS COMING BACK "HOME" TO C-TOWN...YOU CLOWNS CAN WHINE ALL OU WANT....Z BELONGS TO CLEVELAND!

YOU HACKS? 19 WINS?....OMG...GET REAL! Z DOESN'T BELONG ON GUN-TOTIN' TRASH TEAM LIKE THE WIZ!

GO CAVS!

CLEVELAND ROCKS...CLEVELAND ROCKS...CLEVELAND ROCKS...JUST ASK DREW CAREY! YEAHHHH BABBBY!

Posted by: irishcav | February 22, 2010 10:33 AM | Report abuse

@LarryInClintonMD

"The VZ and the team together is only valued around $350 mil. The difference comes from Ticketmaster and other holdings by WS&E LP."

What kind of crack are you smoking?

Verizon Center alone is worth probably 250-300 million.

The Wiz + Verizon is probably in the 500 range.. Hell it cost approx. $260 million in 1997.

Also, the Lakers and Staples are in the $600 million range. Lakers by alone probably worth 300 million or so..

Think about the sh** you write before you write it....

Posted by: kevenjones | February 22, 2010 10:37 AM | Report abuse

we will see how much Z wants to play for the cavaliers. If he does then the buy out price will be close to nothing and then we will know it really wasn't about money. Then cavs will resign him for the difference. But if Z asks for a huge price then...

Posted by: jefferu | February 22, 2010 10:43 AM | Report abuse

javale needs to contact kareem and learn the sky hook. that's his ticket to longevity in the nba, as opposed to becoming another tyson chandler(one dimensional). it is up to him to seek out the help, but i'm sure kareem would jump at the chance to get his name, and signature shot back in the spotlight. of course this takes place after the season is over, and he would probably want some duqats slipped his way. it would be well worth it for javale to look in that direction. he's more athletic than kareem, but I see the same body type when kareem first came into the nba. he learned the sky hook because they wouldn't let players dunk during his time in college. he made a career out of that and rarely even bothered trying to dunk the ball. dunking is exciting, but when you are 7' tall you should be able to dunk, i think. when you stretch out your arm and throw up that sky hook....and watch the other team try to figure out how to stop that, you make yourself a legend. c'mon javale, try it.

Posted by: joerutgens72 | February 22, 2010 10:48 AM | Report abuse

The Knicks have stunk for so long it's not even funny.

Isaiah Thomas made Ernie Grunfeld and the Wizards management look like Jerry West and the 1980's Lakers.

For these guys to go sour grapes on the Jamison deal because they feel it hurts their chances of landing James in the offseason - heres a bit of advice:

draft and develop your own players dummies.

and stop trading signing Jared Jeffries and trading for Eddie Curry type players.

knuckleheads.

Posted by: leopard09 | February 22, 2010 11:00 AM | Report abuse

Usually, "buyout" amounts to the player's salary minus what he is expected to get to sign with other team (most likely veteran's minimum), so the player did not loose any money and the team saves a little.

Now, Big Z received a trade kicker for this deal, so he may be willing to forgo the trade kicker too!

Posted by: sagaliba | February 22, 2010 11:04 AM | Report abuse

Center comparison since trade:

BTH (4 games)
31.0 Min
10.8 ppg
8.8 rpg
2.3 blocks/gm

JaVale McGee (3 games)
22.7 Min
11.0 ppg
7.3 rbg
2.7 blocks/gm

So to recap, McGee socres more and blocks more shots in 8 fewer minutes a game. Plus he's 8 years younger.

Tell me again why keeping Haywood was so important?

Posted by: elfreako | February 22, 2010 11:09 AM | Report abuse

I can think of about 28 million reasons this was a good trade for the Wizards. Think of the talent they can purchase with 14 million dollars extra each year over the next two years. Plus, in two years Al Thornton will be a comparable (perhaps superior) player to Jamison costing one quarter as much.

Posted by: audacitea | February 22, 2010 11:13 AM | Report abuse

...because our interior defense is horrendous.

Posted by: original_mark | February 22, 2010 11:16 AM | Report abuse

Tell me again why keeping Haywood was so important?
Posted by: elfreako | February 22, 2010 11:09 AM

How many times did haywood launch like a rocket into the air from a guard's pump fake.

Posted by: jefferu | February 22, 2010 11:19 AM | Report abuse

If Javale is going to learn the sky hook, he's got to get stronger both up top and in his legs. It's not just technique. Kareem was lean but very strong. It starts with being able to muscle a good position on the block. As you're executing that shot, the defensive player is trying to push you off balance. That's why Unseld, who gave up six-seven inches to Kareem, played him so well. He bodied him out of the lane. If Javale would get stronger and play smarter in the system, both offensively and defensively, he'd immediately improve by 50%. Anyway--I agree he's worth developing and he does need a go-to move or two.

Posted by: jweber1 | February 22, 2010 11:26 AM | Report abuse

Tell me again why keeping Haywood was so important?

Posted by: elfreako | February 22, 2010 11:09 AM

because 9yrs of watching brendan stumble around made wiz fans forget it's a good thing when your center can score.

Posted by: divi3 | February 22, 2010 11:31 AM | Report abuse

the thing about Mcgee is he's 22yrs old and has never played consistent minutes in the nba. The single best course of action for the franchise is to let JM and AB do their thing over the next few seasons while we try and upgrade elsewhere, rather than drafting Cs and PFs in an effort to upgrade over the young talent that's already on the roster and under contract.

Given 30mins a night, Javale is already a 12/8 player...it's really not that far to go before he's a 15/10 player who blocks shots, shoots 50%fg, but still gets pushed around some underneath.

Pair that up with AB rolling along at 20/10 and you have the frontcourt we've been looking for.

Posted by: divi3 | February 22, 2010 11:38 AM | Report abuse

ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ ! Z IS COMING BACK "HOME" TO C-TOWN...YOU CLOWNS CAN WHINE ALL OU WANT....Z BELONGS TO CLEVELAND!

YOU HACKS? 19 WINS?....OMG...GET REAL! Z DOESN'T BELONG ON GUN-TOTIN' TRASH TEAM LIKE THE WIZ!

GO CAVS!

CLEVELAND ROCKS...CLEVELAND ROCKS...CLEVELAND ROCKS...JUST ASK DREW CAREY! YEAHHHH BABBBY!

Posted by: irishcav | February 22, 2010 10:33 AM | Report abuse

Yeah, Cleveland definitely rocks. That's why it is often referred to as "the mistake by the lake"!

Posted by: Utilityman1 | February 22, 2010 11:39 AM | Report abuse

Ernie is on 106.7 right now.

Posted by: SDMDTSU | February 22, 2010 11:42 AM | Report abuse

oh definitely javale needs the weight room training for lower body especially. unseld was one of the very few who gave kareem trouble. and even with that trouble kareem was still getting his. the trouble with the younger generation is failure to see the possibilities past a dunk shot. i like the high flying as much as the next guy, but i also remember elvin hayes' turnaround jumpshot from either direction,(he would turn left or right, you never knew which) or george gervins' finger roll, or the guy from detroit that came to the bullets that mastered the cross-over move. all those things were virtually unstoppable. skyhook just seems perfect for javale because he has that wingspan already, then it becomes a matter of perfecting it. why not go to the master.

Posted by: joerutgens72 | February 22, 2010 11:54 AM | Report abuse

i'll be happy if javale develops even just a little half-hook around the rim, kid is so long it's unblockable and amounts to a layup almost.

but for this season, baby steps. hopefully he can get a better feel for the clock in his head and not be so rushed everytime he touches the ball. He needs to start looking for his shot AND open teamates rather than either or.

Posted by: divi3 | February 22, 2010 12:02 PM | Report abuse

The appraised value of Washington Sports & Entertainment is $900 mil. The Pollins value is put at $500 mil for their 56% share.

Ted of course owns 44% and is worth the remaining $400 mil. Did Ted not offer the $500 mil for the Pollins share?

Mind you that the Staple Center and the Lakers the highest valued NBA franchise is only valued at $463 mil.

The VZ and the team together is only valued around $350 mil. The difference comes from Ticketmaster and other holdings by WS&E LP.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | February 22, 2010 7:46 AM


Hey Larry where are you getting these numbers?

Posted by: anacostia85 | February 22, 2010 12:08 PM | Report abuse

"Tell me again why keeping Haywood was so important?"

While I am a Haywood supporter, and probably disagree with your assessment on him, the answer to your question is no, it is not important anymore since we are in the rebuilding process.

I am perfectly fine with watching McGee making mistakes while learning (hopefully, he will learn).

For instance, letting Nesterovic scored 10 points on you in 18 minutes is not good. McGee did make much better shot selections than the previous game. I just hope the reason that he is not shooting wild jump shots is because he is learning and not because his wrist is hurting.

Posted by: sagaliba | February 22, 2010 12:15 PM | Report abuse

@anacostia85,

Larry got those numbers the same place he get's the rest of the stuff he posts..out of his ass..

Posted by: kevenjones | February 22, 2010 12:41 PM | Report abuse

CLEVELAND ROCKS...CLEVELAND ROCKS...CLEVELAND ROCKS...JUST ASK DREW CAREY! YEAHHHH BABBBY!

Posted by: irishcav | February 22, 2010 10:33 AM | Report abuse

There's an authoritative source if i ever heard one. I'll make sure to ask Drew about it next time I'm on the price is right.

Posted by: crs-1 | February 22, 2010 1:00 PM | Report abuse

Center comparison since trade:

BTH (4 games)
31.0 Min
10.8 ppg
8.8 rpg
2.3 blocks/gm

JaVale McGee (3 games)
22.7 Min
11.0 ppg
7.3 rbg
2.7 blocks/gm

So to recap, McGee socres more and blocks more shots in 8 fewer minutes a game. Plus he's 8 years younger.

Tell me again why keeping Haywood was so important?
Posted by: elfreako | February 22, 2010 11:09 AM | Report abuse

There is no stat for defense, or proper positioning, or setting screens, or basketball iq.

but i agree with sagaliba, he's no longer important with rebuilding underway

Posted by: crs-1 | February 22, 2010 1:01 PM | Report abuse

CLEVELAND ROCKS...CLEVELAND ROCKS...CLEVELAND ROCKS...JUST ASK DREW CAREY! YEAHHHH BABBBY!

Posted by: irishcav | February 22, 2010 10:33 AM


These say it all about Cleveland:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ysmLA5TqbIY&NR=1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZzgAjjuqZM&feature=related

Posted by: anacostia85 | February 22, 2010 1:10 PM | Report abuse

This team, without question, is better now than the team before the trade.
However no one should be giving Ernie Grunfeld any credit for that. He didn't get any of those players except maybe Thornton with the plan of keeping them for the future. This was all done for cap reasons and to dump salary and to dump all these players after the season.
Proof? He didn't even have one press conference to introduce any --NOT ONE-- of the players.
Why? Because he didn't plan on any being here permanently.
So don't buy any of his "Well we were looking for these character and heart and good work ethic and hard working players" etc.
If this bunch wins, which they can (without the help of Flip Saunders who is completely clueless), this group will win on its own. Not because Grunfeld planned it that way.

Posted by: dovelevine | February 22, 2010 1:11 PM | Report abuse

@SDMDTSU,

You're wastin' your time, man. It's like talking to a wall.

Posted by: kalo_rama | February 22, 2010 1:23 PM | Report abuse

When AB proves himself to be a consistent 20/10 player, that will make him one of the best picks of all time no? What was he, 49th?

the funny part being, EG wont be able to pat himself on the back as he just tried to trade him for dj augustine.

thankfully MJ was too stupid or smug to pull the trigger, because that's starting to look like it would have been the worst move in a long time

Posted by: divi3 | February 22, 2010 1:24 PM | Report abuse

It's hard to have any sympathy for someone who's making millions of dollars. He can afford to turn his nose up at the thousands of dollars that he'd get every night. I do hope that the Wizards fans will give him a proper "welcome" every time he comes back in another uniform.

But it's up to the league to step up and do something about these subterfuges that are going on.

Posted by: rjyoung | February 22, 2010 1:28 PM | Report abuse

"When AB proves himself to be a consistent 20/10 player, that will make him one of the best picks of all time no? What was he, 49th?"

Of course, you mean "if" right? Because such an occurrence is far, far, far from a given.

Not to mention the fact that if he establishes himself as such while the team is is in rebuilding/lottery mode--when he's free to shoot every time he touches it (which is pretty much what he's been doing, the same thing people around here crucified Jamison for doing)--but (as sometimes happens) is unable to replicate those numbers in the structure of a legitimate playoff caliber team, then it will have all been for naught anyway.

Posted by: kalo_rama | February 22, 2010 1:32 PM | Report abuse

the funny part being, EG wont be able to pat himself on the back as he just tried to trade him for dj augustine.

thankfully MJ was too stupid or smug to pull the trigger, because that's starting to look like it would have been the worst move in a long time

Posted by: divi3 | February 22, 2010 1:24 PM

Both Grunfeld and Jordan were dumb. For once, the Wizards actually caught a break.

Posted by: gimmedat | February 22, 2010 1:34 PM | Report abuse

Will the Leonsis Group (if ever they take over) fire Wes Unseld Jr? I'm tired seeing him holding the clipboard for the coach.

Posted by: Dave381 | February 22, 2010 1:36 PM | Report abuse

No, I meant to say "when" as I'm being optimistic.

And just as it was ridiculous to call AJs stats "lucky", if AB is putting up 20/10 numbers it will be legit no matter what our record.

Have you been watching? He is straight killing it in the paint, finally using that soft touch more inside than perimeter.

Posted by: divi3 | February 22, 2010 1:36 PM | Report abuse

If there's no prearranged deal to buy out Ilgauskas then there's no reason to do it. I said before the trade that if the Cavs expected the Wiz to play catch-and-release with Big Z, they needed to sweeten the pot. Not only did they not sweeten the pot, they made the Clippers cover their bet for them.

Posted by: kalo_rama | February 22, 2010 1:39 PM | Report abuse

tonight could be a favorable matchup in the frontcourt. Noah isnt offensively skilled nor bulky and Gibson gives up length to AB....though gibson has been on a tear. If JM just stays on his feet when Brad Miller shoots, we can live with that too.

Posted by: divi3 | February 22, 2010 1:44 PM | Report abuse

"if AB is putting up 20/10 numbers it will be legit no matter what our record."

Depends on how you define "legit." Sure, they'll make it into the official record book with no asterisks. But from the standpoint of his value to the Wizards, it only matters if they contribute to the team's goals of winning and improving. The history of the NBA is full of guys who put up good numbers on mediocre or bad teams (Ricky Davis, Shareef Abdur-Rahim, Zach Randolph (until this season), etc.) and no one throws parties for them. It's easy to thrive when there are no expectations. If Blatche wants to live up to his annual ritual of talking big before the season starts, he needs to do it when it'll count for something. Of course, for that to happen he has to still be here when that rolls around.

Posted by: kalo_rama | February 22, 2010 1:49 PM | Report abuse

And, of course, there's the ever-present question of why wasn't he playing this hard and aggressively before the trade? There's no reason why effort and focus should be dictated by PT.

Posted by: kalo_rama | February 22, 2010 1:56 PM | Report abuse

I still can't believe some1 took Jamison off our hands. Just amazing. Did they even watch him play at all. Gotta wonder about the Cavs now.

Posted by: dovelevine | February 22, 2010 2:01 PM | Report abuse

I cant see any scenario where a 23yr old, 6'11" PF putting up 20/10 type numbers on 48%fg could be considered anything other than a boon to a wizards organization deemed lost in the wilderness.

Looking forward to watching what he does the rest of the season....with fingers crossed.

"And, of course, there's the ever-present question of why wasn't he playing this hard and aggressively before the trade? There's no reason why effort and focus should be dictated by PT.

Posted by: kalo_rama | February 22, 2010 1:56 PM"

that's basically irrelevant so long as he continues to play hard. He wasnt professional enough at age 20? Not exactly a shocker. Couple it with the whole "big men take time" theorem and I'll gladly give him a pass so long as he keeps doing what he's doing. Happy to see him getting pissed off at opposing players recently, great sign.

Posted by: divi3 | February 22, 2010 2:03 PM | Report abuse

I still don't understand this trade. Why didn't the Wizards just take the 1st round draft pick and nothing else. What was the point of taking Ilgauskus?

Posted by: richs91 | February 22, 2010 10:06 AM |

To get the $10M+ expiring contract, so that the Wiz will have more cap room for free agents in the offseason. Jamison was under contract for two more seasons.

That is really the only importance of Ilgauskus to the Wizards.

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But if they're getting a 1st round draft pick from Cleveland isn't an expiring contract redundant and unnecessary? Isn't no contract as good as an expiring contract? I say trade Z to Dallas or Atlanta. Giving him back to Cleveland would be foolish--unless they want trade for him.

Posted by: richs91 | February 22, 2010 2:12 PM | Report abuse

There is no stat for defense, or proper positioning, or setting screens, or basketball iq.

but i agree with sagaliba, he's no longer important with rebuilding underway

Posted by: crs-1 |

If a guard needs a screen to create space he shouldn't be playing in the NBA.

The days of Stockton are over dude.

Posted by: elfreako | February 22, 2010 2:31 PM | Report abuse

"that's basically irrelevant so long as he continues to play hard. "

No, actually, it's far from it. The fact that he basically half-assed it for 4 1/2 years in his role as a primary backup, during the period of time when the team had (however unrealistic) expectations of success that required his contributions to be fulfilled, only to come out like gangbusters once he became a starter with the spotlight on him and the greenlight to do whatever because the team wasn't going anywhere, is quite relevant with regards to his commitment and motivation to putting the team's goals ahead of his individual ones.

Posted by: kalo_rama | February 22, 2010 2:32 PM | Report abuse

richs91,

NBA rules state that the salary of the players traded have to be somewhat equal to a certain degree. We give away Jamison's salary, we have to take similar salary in return, hence, Z.

Posted by: sagaliba | February 22, 2010 2:34 PM | Report abuse

"He wasnt professional enough at age 20?"

20, 21, 22, 23 and counting . . .

Posted by: kalo_rama | February 22, 2010 2:35 PM | Report abuse


Here's the plan:

- Hold on to Z at all costs.
- Void Arenas' contract
- Bring Lebron James to DC next season
- Win Championship

Yep, thats how its going down.


Posted by: wiz_fan | February 22, 2010 2:37 PM | Report abuse

"If there's no prearranged deal to buy out Ilgauskas then there's no reason to do it."

If there is a prearranged deal, no one would admit it, since it probably violates NBA rules.

Posted by: sagaliba | February 22, 2010 2:38 PM | Report abuse

"'When AB proves himself to be a consistent 20/10 player, that will make him one of the best picks of all time no? What was he, 49th?'

"Of course, you mean 'if' right? Because such an occurrence is far, far, far from a given.

Not to mention the fact that if he establishes himself as such while the team is is in rebuilding/lottery mode--when he's free to shoot every time he touches it (which is pretty much what he's been doing, the same thing people around here crucified Jamison for doing)--but (as sometimes happens) is unable to replicate those numbers in the structure of a legitimate playoff caliber team, then it will have all been for naught anyway."

Posted by: kalo_rama

The only difference I will put in there is that a reasonable portion of Blatche's points come off of legitimate post-ups, which have more tactical value than AJ's 3 pointers. But I will agree with your general theory on putting up big numbers on bad teams. It usually leads to signing bad contracts.

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Divi3 wrote:
"I cant see any scenario where a 23yr old, 6'11" PF putting up 20/10 type numbers on 48%fg could be considered anything other than a boon to a wizards organization deemed lost in the wilderness."

Allow me to refer you to Howard, Juwan circa '95-'99.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/stats?playerId=351

Just because a player can put up big numbers on a bad team with few options, doesn't necessarily mean he's someone to build around. I have been on Blatche's case for a while now, for exactly some of the things kalo mentioned...lack of focus, etc. Hopefully being thrust into a key role will help him grow-up a bit. He started out the season strong, then faded. But as I think kalo said, if his focus is strictly contingent on playing big-time minutes, I don't think he's there yet. He certainly had the opportunity to assert himself last year and never managed to do so.

If he does develop into a consistent 20/10 guy, he would be among the best second round picks of all time, along with *cough* Gilbert Arenas.

Posted by: ts35 | February 22, 2010 2:50 PM | Report abuse

There's no reason why effort and focus should be dictated by PT.

Blatche picked up Haywood's only go-to move.

Posted by: djnnnou | February 22, 2010 3:24 PM | Report abuse

Juwan is 37 and still contributing in the league. He's been a 30+min starter for 80% of his career. Is it a knock on him that we grossly overpaid him?

All I am saying is that AB was drafted as a project, and now at 23yrs old if he starts stringing together consistent play you have got be optimistic about that as a wizards fan. I am anyways

Posted by: divi3 | February 22, 2010 3:32 PM | Report abuse

Yeah I didn't like Dray getting mad he had a game with no shots. You're 6'11". Get a putback. You have to be able to do that by accident being that close to the rim.

Posted by: SDMDTSU | February 22, 2010 3:34 PM | Report abuse

No particular knock on Juwan. It's more of an issue of a player on a bad team being able to produce a 20/10 doesn't mean as much as it does if you're able to do it for a good team. And it doesn't necessarily presage success for the franchise.

Juwan got his numbers on a team with few other options. Suddenly the Wiz felt compelled to give him franchise-player money (after a lot of drama). And it took the Wiz several years to get out from under. You asked for a scenario, there's a scenario.

So with Blatche I think the overall lesson is the same -- don't become overly-enamored with players who produce good stats on bad teams. Unless he's on your fantasy team.

I am cautiously encouraged by his play, but he has played well in stretches before and then faded. I do like that he has spent a lot more time on the low block. Between post-up scoring and team hustle on defense, I wasn't sure I was watching the Wizards for a while.

If he does become consistent, great. But then he's about to enter the period where teams will scout him and pay more attention to him. Does his effort continue if teams double him or deny him the ball? Or does he revert to the dribble-between-the-legs, ill-advised no-look pass, disappearing-act Blatche we have grown to know.

And will he work to develop his defensive game, or just his offense? We've had our share of 20/10, bad defense guys. Jarrett Jack was beating our guards like rented mules, but he was also going by Blatche on his way to the hoop on several of those occasions.

Not trying to be a downer on what is evolving into a good story, just trying to maintain a sense of perspective. I see a lot of people talking about how Blatche and McGee haven't been given a chance in the past, and thats' just not true.

Posted by: ts35 | February 22, 2010 4:04 PM | Report abuse

I guess I could more succinctly have made my argument by saying that it would have been nice if AJ had to be moved to make room for this talented youngster, instead of just to create cap space. But Blatche had not shown enough to make that case.

Posted by: ts35 | February 22, 2010 4:06 PM | Report abuse

"I wasn't sure I was watching the Wizards for a while."

that right there is probably why i'm optimistic, that and the fact i go all these games and it's nice to have something to be fired up about.

Posted by: divi3 | February 22, 2010 4:10 PM | Report abuse

what are the odds that the tandem of AB/JM will be superior to what we had with AJ/BTH within 2 seasons?

given how 1 dimensional both aj and bth played, and how young AB/JM are.... i dont think it's out of the realm to think we may be looking at an upgrade.

rose colored glasses, i know...

Posted by: divi3 | February 22, 2010 4:17 PM | Report abuse

"Blatche picked up Haywood's only go-to move."

HA! See, I always said players mentoring other players pays off!

"Not trying to be a downer on what is evolving into a good story, just trying to maintain a sense of perspective. I see a lot of people talking about how Blatche and McGee haven't been given a chance in the past, and thats' just not true."

And yet people will, almost certainly, continue to say it.

Posted by: kalo_rama | February 22, 2010 4:24 PM | Report abuse

What constitutes being "given a chance" for a 2nd year player who had averaged 13mins over his short career? I would say he's being given his chance right now.

Posted by: divi3 | February 22, 2010 4:40 PM | Report abuse

hey anacostia85-
is this the video the D.C. Tourism Commitee uses to lure tourists to your fine (sarcasm) city?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1dHYTD8l5JY

HILARIOUS! THUG CITY!

Posted by: irishcav | February 22, 2010 5:26 PM | Report abuse

"What constitutes being "given a chance" for a 2nd year player who had averaged 13mins over his short career? I would say he's being given his chance right now."

Every time a player steps onto the floor he has a chance to show his coach he deserves more PT. McGee has had periods where he was in the rotation for stretches and failed to show any kind of real improvement on his weaknesses and shortcomings. Doesn't mean he won't show them now, but coaches don't generally extend long leashes to guys who don't appear to get it. Up to this point, McGee has not appeared to get get it.

Posted by: kalo_rama | February 22, 2010 5:31 PM | Report abuse

Fair enough, I'll give McGee more of a pass because he was a rook and is still very, very young. And by that I don't particularly mean age, I just mean in his demeanor. But there were stretches early last year where they gave him extended minutes. And you would get the McGee mixed bag of smooth moves, highlight reel alley-oops and absolutely brain-farts. It reminds me of the line from Bull Durham...

Joe Reardon: He walked 18.
Larry: New league record!
Joe Reardon: Struck out 18.
Larry: Another new league record! In addition he hit the sportswriter, the public address announcer, the bull mascot twice...
[Joe laughs]
Larry: Also new league records!

There's also practice, which we never see. In last year's lost season, they should have played him more, no question. I don't know why they didn't. Maybe he wasn't demonstrating good practice habits so they sat him to teach him that if he doesn't practice, he doesn't play. Or maybe it was just bad coaching and management...who knows?

Is it possible that AB / JM are an upgrade over AJ / BTH? It's possible. Both have a long way to go. McGee certainly should be able to surpass BTH's statistical production, he just needs to learn the game, team defense, etc. AB has obvious skills, but has lacked consistency and decision-making. Say what you want about AJ, but he's been averaging 20/10ish and been a team leader since he arrived. If Blatche can approach those levels for a season...even 16/8-9, but does it from the low block, I would consider that an upgrade for the team in terms of playing style.

Defensively though, they might pose a bit of a problem because neither is particularly beefy. AJ isn't either, but BTH could at least hold his ground against the Dwight Howards, Bynums, etc. But it's not like either AJ's or BTH's accomplishments are so spectacular that surpassing them is inconceivable.

And ultimately, divi, I have to agree with you. Even if their record doesn't improve, I would much rather watch this brand of hoops than what we have seen recently. I was thinking about wandering down to one of the games this week.

Posted by: ts35 | February 22, 2010 5:38 PM | Report abuse

some stats that may surprise you guys, Mcgee has played in a total of 8 games where he got 25mins or more, couple times againts Boston, Atlanta, Utah...so by no means all patsies (like there is such an opponent for this team).

In those games, his averages are:

13pts/7.5rebs/2.5blks on 62%fg

not bad for a young 7footer on a dysfunctional team.

"even 16/8-9, but does it from the low block, I would consider that an upgrade for the team in terms of playing style."

yup.

Posted by: divi3 | February 22, 2010 5:56 PM | Report abuse

this note is to jahjank,you are absolutely 100% correct about both those clowns,haywood was almost taking rebounds out of teammates hands this year to pad his count, ever seen that before from him? No. I always thought Butler was a turnover machine and still do,Jamison was ok but my kind of player is just tougher than him not whining every time someone touches you on your shot,looking at the refs instead of getting back on D you know the drill so good luck to them all and glad you're gone!!!

Posted by: BRUBOI | February 22, 2010 6:00 PM | Report abuse

"There's no reason why effort and focus should be dictated by PT."

This all sounds good in theory, but every player more or less affected by it. How often do we hear players talking about "getting rhythm?" If you only gets a couple of minutes here and a couple of minutes there, it is tough to play well (i.e., play up to your capability).

Posted by: sagaliba | February 22, 2010 7:02 PM | Report abuse

If Ilgauskas doesn't want to play for Washington then HE SHOULD HAVE TO BUY OUT HIS CONTRACT. Anybody that quits on his contract should have to retire for a full season before resigning with anybody. Can I sell the Wizards my dog so it can run home to me after I take the money?

Posted by: tatashady | February 22, 2010 9:32 PM | Report abuse

So I'm leasing a car, but then decide to trade it in for another car AND pay for a year's fees in advance; HOWEVER, I then decide I'll turn in the car early if the dealer returns 2 weeks (1/26 the price I already paid) worth of pro-rated usage so that the dealer can double dip and re-lease the car again? Wow.

The Wiz will recoup a nominal fee of $600K in Z's "buyout"; yet, chose to potentially lose $6-7 million dollars a year for the duration of Lebron's next contract length in playoff revenue ($1-2 Million per home playoff game) if he wins the championship and re-ups with the Cav's?
Wow.

Only in America.

Posted by: heh8meN1 | February 22, 2010 11:32 PM | Report abuse

The Z situation is a prime example of how much money is being thrown around and the players union and the owners don't know squat. Ernie has no clue on how to run a team. I wonder DID HE REALLY THINK Z WAS GOING TO PLAY IN D>C> If he did then he needs to be run out of town on a rail. I say tell him to get his butt back to D.C and practice with the wiz--after all why is Ernie paying his salary and Z is in Cleveland--something is VERY wrong with this system and Ernies brain. I say bring him back to D.C. and ACTIVATE HIM ASAP--he is being paid and he's not here to play. If Z gets activated and he refuses to play YOU FINE HIM AND THEN SUSPEND HIM until he comes back and plays in a game--if he doesn't you can suspend OR fine him he won't get paid if he doesn't report and you then don't have to pay him (to hell with the players union opinion on this) if he breeches his contract by refusing to play in DC Ernie should stop trying to work up a buy out. If I were Ernie I would stop negotiations OR ASK FOR THE MOON which his agent won't accept then suspend and fine then at the end of the season you trade him for whatver you can get. I say force to play or else AND THEN THE WIZ HAVE A solid reason to stop paying. Ernie get off you butt and PUSH THE ENVELOPE i.e. do something smart for a change.

Posted by: vergens2 | February 23, 2010 5:19 AM | Report abuse

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