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Kenny, Charles "welcome back" Caron to NBA

By Michael Lee  |  February 26, 2010; 11:01 AM ET
 
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FIRST!!!

Posted by: mabkhar | February 26, 2010 11:23 AM | Report abuse

That was hilarius. Good stuff.

Charles and Kenny welcomes Butler back to the NBA. Funnie'.

Charles says he has been in the D-League for past few years. Funnie'.

On second thought having Tappscott coach and waist an entire season was definitely D-League.

Can't argue against Charles on that one.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | February 26, 2010 11:27 AM | Report abuse

They are so full of crap talking about the Wiz like that! The team is only as good as it's players. How about that!! Butler,Jamison,Stevenson and Haywood were the starters of the Wizards and they want to blame the orgnization for the Wizards being a bad team! WTF?? I am sorry, but that infuriates me! Stevenson was a stupid fool according to Barkley a year ago and now he is supposed to be the guy every team needs. I cannot believe this crap! And for Caron to sit there and laugh abuot the putdowns of the Wiz from those clowns pisses me off as a season ticket holder and fan. The team is only as good as its players. I am not sure if my husband will buy season tickets again or not but if it were left up to me the answer would be NOT! I kept saying that the league thought of the Wiz as less than a NBA team. Now we see. Wonder did Grunfeld see this mess?

Posted by: ivyleague | February 26, 2010 11:27 AM | Report abuse

tough to take all the dogging of the Wiz. I hope EG gets thing turned around quickly...

Posted by: cedric_lockhart | February 26, 2010 11:29 AM | Report abuse

And by the way, as someone that truly cares about the team and spends good money going to support them, I don't find it amusing at all! I hate Barkley with his fat no ignorant behind.

Posted by: ivyleague | February 26, 2010 11:29 AM | Report abuse

The Wizards could sign Kobe Bryant and Barkley would still trash the team. He just hates Washington period. I suspect it has something to do with the MJ debacle.

Posted by: pjkiger1 | February 26, 2010 11:30 AM | Report abuse

tough to take all the dogging of the Wiz. I hope EG gets thing turned around quickly...

Posted by: cedric_lockhart | February 26, 2010 11:29 AM | Report abuse

Do like the current edition of the WIZ, don't listen, just play to win. That's all history. You'll find it in a stat book somewhere. Let's deal with what's happening.

Right Mr. Lee. You're not playing the tool for the ESPN clowns are you by posting this up?

Posted by: glawrence007 | February 26, 2010 11:33 AM | Report abuse

I could care less about their jokes, especially when we have done some baffling things. That's what they do on that show. Its's why it's not the most boring broadcast on TV. They clown people that get flushed on and such.

I will admit, the Wiz are one of their favorite punching bags.

I just want us to get on the right track to respectability. We can't get mad at our own team and then expect the rest of the nation to act like they don't notice what's going on.

Posted by: millineumman | February 26, 2010 11:36 AM | Report abuse

of course it doesnt make sense to rail the wiz as not in the nba, while at the same time calling CB/BTH/AJ "great" players as Barkley has been doing, but it does make for a funny segment and that was the whole point.

real shame we dont play the Mavs again this season tho

Posted by: divi3 | February 26, 2010 11:38 AM | Report abuse

I watched this as it aired last night and I must admit, it was a reality check. The way we here in DC think of the Nets and Kings is how everyone else in the other cities thinks of us. Ernie Grunfeld needs to hurry up and be replaced. He's obviously not the man for the job. How long has he been here and what has he accomplished? Sure playoff appearances are great for a franchise that hardly ever sees the postseason, but the goal should never be "make it to the playoffs". Grunfeld's latest move, buying out Big Z, is evidence that this man is not capable of making basketball decisions. We traded away Jamison for a very late 1st round pick and $3million in cash? Being under the cap is great and all, but for who? We're not going to lure any big time free agents to DC so go ahead and throw that idea out the window.
The Wizards need to bebuild and have already began to do so, but until they get rid of Grunfeld, all they're doing is patchwork!

Posted by: covertops26 | February 26, 2010 11:42 AM | Report abuse

"real shame we dont play the Mavs again this season tho"

It's a good thing! Did you see how the beat the Lakers the other day?

Posted by: Dave381 | February 26, 2010 11:45 AM | Report abuse

Dont worry about the Fat Z buyout wiz fans! It wasnt something that happened after the trade, it was agreed upon beforehand as part and parcel to unloading AJs contract. Guarantee you the Cavs are already worrying they should have stayed pat or gotten Amare instead.

We HAD to get AJ/CB/BTH off the team by the trade deadline. EG did that, and if Howard hadnt blown out his knee, the team very well may have played .500 ball the rest of the way. Who knows, they still could with this level of effort.

Good cleanup of his own mess on EG's part. Should he stay next season? Up to the owners, but be sure and look around the league before canning him- 40% of the teams suck

Posted by: divi3 | February 26, 2010 11:50 AM | Report abuse

No question Charles dislikes Wizards, I am with you, pjkiger1.

Regarding the trade, people in Dallas has considered this as a teal, some even term it as "heist." (Remember when we got Butler for Kwame?)

But what they really like is Haywood, they view that as an improvement over Dampier.

See
http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/spt/basketball/mavs/stories/022610dnspocowlishaw.3f655ee.html

Posted by: sagaliba | February 26, 2010 12:03 PM | Report abuse

Caron has a lot of nerve considering that the Wizards haven't been a good team in a couple of season because of Butler, Haywood, and Jamison. First of all what has Barkley ever won. last time I checked he was a good player that could never push a team over the top. Also, he is a drunk, a complete alcoholic that humiliated himself, his family and the NBA by getting arrested for drunk driving by getting a bj from a tranny. I can't believe Barkley has the guts to say that all teams need a Stevenson. Say what? If you go review footage of Barkley talking about the Wizards over the years he has slammed every single player especially Stevenson for acting like a fool against the Cavs in the playoffs a few years back. Nice to see him sit back and laugh. Its all stemmed from his friendship with Jordan. He just needs to face the fact that his "friend" was a President/GM in absentia of a team and other than getting rid of Howard, which probably any GM could have done, neer accomplished anything. Jordan was a great player, horrible front office person. The expectations was high when he came aboard and he literally set the franchise back about a decade when he drafted Kwame Brown. Now those of you celebrating his accomplishements in Charlotte, please realize he doesn't run that team from a day to day basis, infact he is barely around. Its taken him nearly 5 years to put together a .500 club with veteran players pushing 30. They have zero young players in the pipeline. He's not even going to be able to buy the team because he doesn't have that kind of money. He likes to play with other peoples money not his own. He is not a billionaire and is having difficulty putting together investors. Jordan perhaps in the top 3 greatest players of all time, no doubt. NBA Executive probably among the worst in the league. Here's Jordan's hand picked players since 2006: Adam Morrisson, Ryan Hollins, Brandan Wright, Jared Dudley, D.J. Augustin, Alexis Ajinca, Kyle Weaver, Gerald Henderson, Derrick Brown and Robert Vaden. Wow, now thats a list of greatness. Looks like All NBA talent right there. But I digress, Barkley is a tool. He is a drunk so how seriously can you really take him. He must be completely wasted on the air more times than not. Barkley and Kenny Smoth are fair weather fans. They only pump the good teams and talk smack about everyone else. In their eyes there are only 6 teams in the NBA, everyone else is minor league teams. F Barkley! Have another drink, sir!

Posted by: ElBigChroizo | February 26, 2010 12:03 PM | Report abuse

Great point on the rest of teh league thinking about us on par with the Nets and the NBDL. I have friends across the country that still forget we have a NBA team.

Sadly, it still come back to Arenas. If they can get him back in the right frame of mind, they can be competitive. if he is still 25 pts and no defense, it is time to cut him lose.

Posted by: oknow1 | February 26, 2010 12:10 PM | Report abuse

The TNT fat man has never said good a single thing about wiz.He used to be critical on some players including Buttler, now he clearly focused his negative arsenal to wards the organnization.The only thing i saw him run very well is not commenting on NBA games, he is good in running food commercials.
I think TNT has to question his intergtity.
are they testing him daily before he enter to the station?

Posted by: gtefferra | February 26, 2010 12:11 PM | Report abuse

"But what they really like is Haywood, they view that as an improvement...."

And well they should. 'BRENDA's' the only one of the starting five from the past I miss. Just a dig for you HAYWOOD haters.

Posted by: glawrence007 | February 26, 2010 12:12 PM | Report abuse

I was initially annoyed by this, but after actually watching it, it is kind of funny. Charles does inexplicably praise DeShawn, but at least puts him in the proper context of "he's crazy."

As for them picking on the Wizards as a D-League team, two thoughts....First, they did kind of fail to mention that the wiz are playing better without the big 3. But second, there's one big solution to the criticism, build a winning team.

Posted by: ts35 | February 26, 2010 12:18 PM | Report abuse

Why's yawl's so pissed with TNT.

Yawl's should be enraged with Ernie Grunfield for deciding to piss away a whole season after firing EJ. He knew all along that FS was the new coach and if FS wasn't ready to take the job then, he should have known that waisting an entire season was fatalistic.

And now that we have FS, it has been apparent that he isn't the right coach so far.

Hopefully with these new players, FS brings his coaching acumen to the fore, for as of yet I haven't seen it yet.

Upset with TNT, not by a longshot, the folks to be upset with are rit' chere'.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | February 26, 2010 12:20 PM | Report abuse

They didn't say anything about the Wiz that half the people here weren't saying on a daily basis. The team sucked. Were they supposed to pretend like it didn't? And why should we care what they say anyway? Get over it.

Posted by: kalo_rama | February 26, 2010 12:26 PM | Report abuse

They didn't say anything about the Wiz that half the people here weren't saying on a daily basis. The team sucked. Were they supposed to pretend like it didn't? And why should we care what they say anyway? Get over it.

Posted by: kalo_rama | February 26, 2010 12:26 PM

'Tis true.

Posted by: Firuz1 | February 26, 2010 12:36 PM | Report abuse

I'm not even going to look at the TNT snippet. It's unfortunate to be clowned by those clowns but that is the way it goes when you are not winning. They get the last word unless we WIN.

As for them proclaiming AJ,CB,BTH and D-Steve as great players just goes to show how much they watched the Wiz this season. They are only on Lebron's and Kobe's jock.

Posted by: thecomedian1 | February 26, 2010 12:37 PM | Report abuse

"But what they really like is Haywood, they view that as an improvement over Dampier."

A pretty low bar to clear, isn't it?

Posted by: kalo_rama | February 26, 2010 12:37 PM | Report abuse

..or the Celtics. Everyone else is always turrrible!

Posted by: thecomedian1 | February 26, 2010 12:38 PM | Report abuse

Let's see:

The Wiz this season with the 2007 starting five that all got moved: about .350

The Wiz this season since those five got moved: .600

Looks like the joke is (not) on Barkleys hands. After all, the Pollins have one more championship than he does.

Posted by: Blurred | February 26, 2010 12:50 PM | Report abuse

Well, the Mav's actually use Haywood as a starter for the entire game.

When they took him out the other night at the end of the 3rd Q' and they seemed to lose momentum they put him back in before the 3rd Q' exspired and he played the entire rest of the game.

What would have happened here is that once he was pulled in the 3rd Q', the other team gets on a roll and then he get's puts back in with 6 min's left. And because he dosen't make a difference for the rest of the game he gets criticized. Amazing.

What the coaches here and a lot of the Haywood critics did not realize is that he is not a stat player or a great player, but he really knows how to play the center position.

So just let him play the center and improve those positions around him. Sounds like what he has gotten himself into in Dallas. Word.

Flip Saunders is making some of the same mistakes that Eddie made. Being infatuated with what you don't have and not using what you do have. Word.

Stop waisting the center minutes on Blatche and give them to McGee.

Blatche has proven and earned the right to play Power Forward.

Let McGee do the same at the Center.

And he will. Word.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | February 26, 2010 1:09 PM | Report abuse

"Well, the Mav's actually use Haywood as a starter for the entire game."

Only because Dampier is hurt and they have no other option.

Posted by: kalo_rama | February 26, 2010 1:12 PM | Report abuse

This rebuilding project will take 5-10 years. The whole purpose of the trades was not to compete but to eliminate the luxury tax. We have no good players and no one will want to come here. To think, we could of at least had Jennings or Curry -- and, with one of them around, EG might not have to explode the team. Even the really bad teams are way ahead of us in that they at least have a lot of young talent.

Posted by: nadeemsx | February 26, 2010 1:12 PM | Report abuse

Oh, and Butler's not the enemy, Arenas is the one that screwed things up. He like to think of himself as a joker but he's really just a clown

Posted by: nadeemsx | February 26, 2010 1:13 PM | Report abuse

A pretty low bar to clear, isn't it?

Posted by: kalo_rama
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kal,

Your bar is so high, not very many NBA centers can clear it. BTW, you seem to forget, that you have argued that Dampier is better than Haywood (when we talked about Haywood being under-paid), now he is a "low bar." I guess he is just a "moving bar" you place whereever it suits you.

Anyway, low bar or not, Dallas believes Haywood is just the kind of center they want, and I am happy for him.

They are quite happy with the "improving defense" they got after the trade. Sure, that's another "low bar" you may say. They obviously have lower expectations for their players than the fans here, but somehow their team is better.

So what gives, fans there understand a winning team is not an all-star team that every players pass the "high bar." You have stars, and you have role players who can only pass the "mediocre bar."

Posted by: sagaliba | February 26, 2010 1:14 PM | Report abuse

This rebuilding project will take 5-10 years. The whole purpose of the trades was not to compete but to eliminate the luxury tax. We have no good players and no one will want to come here. To think, we could of at least had Jennings or Curry -- and, with one of them around, EG might not have to explode the team. Even the really bad teams are way ahead of us in that they at least have a lot of young talent.

Posted by: nadeemsx | February 26, 2010 1:12 PM | Report abuse


You are kidding right? rebuilding as in???

5-10 years every player but Blatche and McGee from our starting team this year will be out of the league. (and them too, who knows). Any speculation beyond about 18 months in the NBA is pointless. We are talking new CBA, any number of injuries. Surprisingly successful Draft picks. Some star eating himself out of the league. Arrests. Coaching changes. Ownership changes. Deaths.

We may or may not be successful rebuilding, but 3 years is what you get for a full rebuild.

Draftees don't get a choice where they play. Jennings and Curry are good, but not good enough to build a franchise around...at least they haven't proven it yet. No "impact player" is making his decision this year or next on where to play based on the fact that the team had Brandon Jennings.

Who will come to DC? Somebody who gets traded. Draftees. Young FA's that are stuck behind a vet with big, long term contract. Vet FA's who want to make some money. Not every player has the luxury of getting to say "I won't play for DC."

Posted by: Blurred | February 26, 2010 1:24 PM | Report abuse

I don't care if the team has to pay a luxury tax! I don't get a break on prices when I go to a game. "Cheap seats" are $60 a piece once everything is said and done. The NBA is a business and the Wizards aren't good. As athletes move up from college to the pros, they become "entertainers" and the group that the Wizards are putting on the floor aren't entertaining. At least when we had the big 3 all playing well, even if we were losing, the games were exciting. The crowd was into it. There were more than 10,000 people going to games.
The worse thing the Wizards can do the rest of this season is win. We don't need to prove we can beat the likes of the Knicks and Pistons. We need to lose and get the most out of the upcoming draft. And to whoever said that this team is 10 years away from being back to a contender, if that's true the Wizards should just move now. The only sport where it might take 10 years to turn something around is baseball. If it takes 10 years to turn the Wizards around then they had better be in the mix for a championship for at least 5 or 6 years straight.
We need to do well in the draft, actually scout players, get Gilbert on board with the idea of being a team player (someone like Chauncey Billups who can still put up big numbers and run a team), and then make a run. Every team needs at least one Star/AllStar/Superstar/whatever you want to call it and Arenas still has that quality on the court.

Posted by: covertops26 | February 26, 2010 1:26 PM | Report abuse

"Your bar is so high, not very many NBA centers can clear it. "

I don't have a bar. I'm simply pointing out that getting giddy over Haywood being better than a balky-kneed 35-year-old journeyman is damning with the faintest of praise. Still waiting for someone to offer real evidence to the contrary.

"BTW, you seem to forget, that you have argued that Dampier is better than Haywood"

Nice try.

I said he was a better/more offensively skilled player than Haywood when he was at the same point in his career as Haywood is now (explaining why, along with other reasons, he got more money than Haywood). But that has nothing to do with comparing them both in the here and now. Right now Dampier is 5 or 6 years older than Haywood with a laundry list of injuries. And even with that, if Dampier were healthy, he'd still be starting ahead of Haywood.

Posted by: kalo_rama | February 26, 2010 1:27 PM | Report abuse

I don't particularly like C Barkley but this was entertaining to me.
Let's face the Wizzies were and still are "D League".
One funny thing that Charles said was that Brendan brought toughness to the Mavs.
Wow! that was probbly hard for some bloggers here to hear.

Posted by: VBFan | February 26, 2010 1:29 PM | Report abuse

"Your bar is so high, not very many NBA centers can clear it."

Surely Ethan will.

Posted by: Dave381 | February 26, 2010 1:33 PM | Report abuse

This rebuilding project will take 5-10 years
Posted by: nadeemsx
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If it takes that long it will be because management has again done a poor job. I know people think it will take a very long time to turn it around but I think with good fortune it could take 3 years to reappear in the playoffs. Without a good break (and I mean good lottery spot and great pick) it should take 4-5.

You have to remember, people can't play forever. How long will Bostons core be that good? What if Joe Johnson leaves ATL?

If you're forced to keep Gil, and he tries to get his act together, add a good pick (Wes Johnson exmpl.) a good mid level FA signing, I could imagine that being alot more attractive for 2011 FA prospects.

Posted by: millineumman | February 26, 2010 1:34 PM | Report abuse

Haywood is the kind of C that MOST teams need. High scoring C are few and far between. Typically teams want their big men to do a few basic things...

Rebound ....check
Block shots....check
play good help defense.....check
dunk when you're near the hoop ...check
shoot a high % ....check
stay out of foul trouble....check
not require a lot of shots to be effective...check
defend other big men fairly well (be physical) ...check


If you can do those things, you're a good C. If you throw in good offensive rebounding (Check) and high ft% (last year only), you're a very good C.

Brendan Haywood is a very good C for what is asked of him.

Posted by: original_mark | February 26, 2010 1:34 PM | Report abuse

So what gives, fans there understand a winning team is not an all-star team that every players pass the "high bar." You have stars, and you have role players who can only pass the "mediocre bar."

Posted by: sagaliba | February 26, 2010 1:14 PM | Report abuse


Haywood is playing well and good for him and Dallas.

Point is, he had 9 seasons to play well here and only did it during contract years.

He is where Dampier was 2 years ago, when Dampier was already on his slide. In 2 years, Haywood will have 2 years left at like $10-$12 million per and be sharing time somewhere with a young, aggressive, hungry Center and start whining about it again.

Our new guy from the Developmental league has shoulders and arms 2x as strong as Haywood. james Singleton at 4-5 inches shorter than Haywood has better per 36 numbers than Haywood as a Wizard.

Haywood is helping Dallas and that is good for both the team and Haywood. But here, he wasn't helping us do much of anything as our record showed. Glad he is gone. If he was the anchor of this team as some suggested, it was a really heavy anchor on too short a line and was dragging the ship down.

H

Posted by: Blurred | February 26, 2010 1:35 PM | Report abuse

What nonsense? Weren't these the same guys talking up the Wizards back in the hey days of the Big 3? And for Caron to be smiling makes me think he forgot that he was one of the cornerstone of this franchise.

Posted by: tundey | February 26, 2010 1:35 PM | Report abuse

Surely Ethan will.

Posted by: Dave381 | February 26, 2010 1:33 PM | Report abuse

Who is Ethan?

Posted by: Blurred | February 26, 2010 1:36 PM | Report abuse

Enough handle in this lineup?

Foye
Thornton
Singleton
AB
JM

I really want to see Singleton gets mins, bet he can be a "Mcgrady stopper" if you will. Heck, dude is so active he'd probably bother David Lee at the same time.

How about our recently maligned frontcourt go to muthflippin town on the Knicks undersized crew? AB and JM should be able to make layups over the whole knicks team.

Posted by: divi3 | February 26, 2010 1:36 PM | Report abuse

Even though it turned out well for us with the trades, if we'd have been able to keep BTH and still get the guys we got, I believe we'd have a shot at the playoffs THIS YEAR.
We've already had one coach say that they had a problem with our length because AB and JM were in there. Imagine if we had a C who could block shots and didnt get muscled out of position....like BTH. Then when JM came in, he'd be able to play that 'Birdman' role that Flip envisioned for him because he'd be fresh.


Posted by: original_mark | February 26, 2010 1:38 PM | Report abuse

Rebound ....check
Block shots....check
play good help defense.....check
dunk when you're near the hoop ...check
shoot a high % ....check
stay out of foul trouble....check
not require a lot of shots to be effective...check
defend other big men fairly well (be physical) ...check


If you can do those things, you're a good C. If you throw in good offensive rebounding (Check) and high ft% (last year only), you're a very good C.

Brendan Haywood is a very good C for what is asked of him.

Posted by: original_mark | February 26, 2010 1:34 PM | Report abuse

I'd say you are being generous with Haywood and really only looking at this year.

And you are forgetting completely the fact that he has a pretty good FG% because he lost the ball about 30% of the time he touches it in the paint.

I will never forget those words that summed up Haywood's career as a Wizard:

"And Rondo strips the ball from Haywood."

Posted by: Blurred | February 26, 2010 1:42 PM | Report abuse

"Imagine if we had a C who could block shots and didnt get muscled out of position....like BTH. "

We don't need to imagine. They had him for almost a decade. What did it get them?

Posted by: kalo_rama | February 26, 2010 1:43 PM | Report abuse

I will never forget those words that summed up Haywood's career as a Wizard:

"And Rondo strips the ball from Haywood."

Posted by: Blurred | February 26, 2010 1:42 PM

Last year on having season ending surgery rather than playing through his injury:

"It's all about Brendon Haywood."

Posted by: divi3 | February 26, 2010 1:45 PM | Report abuse

Can't wait to see Charles Barkley rappin' for Taco Bell tonight:

"The Five Dollar Box, It Rocks, It Rocks"

Now admit it, don't you all want to rush right down to Taco Bell and give up a 5-spot?

Posted by: musicmanjr | February 26, 2010 1:47 PM | Report abuse

I'm a season ticket holder and a life long fan. I don't disagree with any of the negative things they had to say about the Wizards.

So now the Wizards, Nationals, and Redskins are all national punchlines. Awesome.

Posted by: bryc3 | February 26, 2010 1:51 PM | Report abuse

"Imagine if we had a C who could block shots and didnt get muscled out of position....like BTH"

The flipside is he basically picked a spot and stayed there, at 7' and long, any ball that came near him he grabbed. But he was very inactive, which is exactly the reason he never gets in foul trouble.

at any rate, he is the perfect replacement for Damp and the Mavs were very shrewd to get him

Posted by: divi3 | February 26, 2010 1:58 PM | Report abuse

at any rate, he is the perfect replacement for Damp and the Mavs were very shrewd to get him

Posted by: divi3 | February 26, 2010 1:58 PM | Report abuse


Agreed. He is a good fit there and gives them what they need.

Obviously from our lack of success here, the same can't be said of his tenure in DC.

Posted by: Blurred | February 26, 2010 2:00 PM | Report abuse

It AMAZES me that Caron thinks this is so funny!

Posted by: cdouglas2 | February 26, 2010 2:03 PM | Report abuse

For a guy who never gotten a ring, he has a lot of mouth! Chuck was ask if he rather be in the Hall of Fame or have a championship ring, this none speaking fool said he rather be in a hall of fame, his selfishness if the reason he never got a a ring and I am glad he didn't.

Posted by: rtsp94 | February 26, 2010 2:08 PM | Report abuse

I really have no problem with Haywood's level of play, per se. At his best he's a serviceable role-playing NBA C. That's fine. There's certainly worse to be had out there. My problem is with:

(A) His years of pouting, whining, complaining, and loafing over the fact that he wasn't given a bigger role while being unable/unwilling to recognize that his pouting, whining, complaining, and loafing was exactly why he didn't have a bigger role. If he'd spent less time being pissed off about people not recognizing how good he (thought) he was and more time (1) getting better and (2) actually demonstrating it, none of this would have been an issue. But I guess staring daggers at Etan Thomas and Kwame Brown from the bench is less strenuous than actually spending all summer in a hot gym working on a jump hook or an up-and-under move.

(B) The incessant attempts by the Haywood Sack-Hangers Society to build him up like he was Bill Walton or Hakeem Olajuwon.

Posted by: kalo_rama | February 26, 2010 2:11 PM | Report abuse

his selfishness if the reason he never got a a ring and I am glad he didn't.

Posted by: rtsp94 | February 26, 2010 2:0

That and a guy named Michael Jordan.

Posted by: millineumman | February 26, 2010 2:13 PM | Report abuse

Charles Barkley is comic relief, no more and no less. What makes him entertaining is that TNT allows him the latitude to say whatever he feels. As entertaining and knowledgeable as Ernie Johnson and Kenny Smith are, they are basically setup men for Barkley's zaniness.

Do you remember how boring the TNT halftime and postgame shows were when Charles was away doing jailtime?

Posted by: musicmanjr | February 26, 2010 2:22 PM | Report abuse

Charles Barkley's comments are a huge favor for this team. They need to be laughed at. They need to be ridiculed. And, then, they need to get very, very angry and use that in every game they play. In football it's called "bulletin board material." If I was Flip, I'd play that video before the game tonight and ask: "Are you going to take that?" Competitors like Michael Jordon (and, yes, Arenas) use these slights to their advantage. So should the entire team in this situation.

Posted by: jweber1 | February 26, 2010 2:23 PM | Report abuse

@ivyleague
Thank you! I couldn't have said it better.
Jamison, Butler and Stevenson got the bulk of the minutes over the past year and a half.

The Wizards were a reflection of their play and leadership.


Posted by: bozomoeman | February 26, 2010 2:23 PM | Report abuse

I want to make something clear about Haywood. I've been a season ticket holder for eight years and I've basically attended every home game during that time span. So I've had time to watch Haywood develop.

I remember the early years when he always had to put the ball on the ground before going back up to the hoop. I remember the stone hands in the post. I remember the bungled free throws. And I let him have it for it BACK THEN.

Fast forward to the present... he knows the game better, he's learned to shoot free throws, he blocks more shots, his plus/minus is very good... and the Wizards absolutely fell apart last year when he was basically the one variable that changed from the season before when we were at least mediocre. He continues to put up very solid numbers with the Mavericks.

Conclusion? People improve. He had his rough patches with the Wizards, but my take is that he got better every single year. He is a very good 7-footer in this league, and the man will get PAID this summer by some team that really needs a quality starting center. Believe it.

Posted by: VeCente115 | February 26, 2010 2:44 PM | Report abuse

"I think TNT has to question his intergtity."

As someone who used to sheer for Caron I'm very disapponted in this interview.

Caron had the opportunity to say some poisitive things about Washington and he chose not to. It wasn't the ideal situation, especially for us fans, but clearly Caron wanted to talk about Caron. All he said was "The Polin's always treated me well." Thanks for remembering us Caron. :P

Barkley has never had anything good to say about the Wizards since M.Jordan was shown the door like EVER and he says "I have always liked you, Brendan, and Deshauwn."????

WTF? Barkley is two faced as anything. He's always gone out of his way to talk bad abouthe Wizards. He's a big drunk, gamble-aholic, who needs to go eat some more tacos or something.

This interview makes me very happy Caron and is gone. At least he acknowledged that he played for yet another team, and he will play for many more because he is a selfish player. Caron LOST games for the Wizards this year, but they don't ever talk about those games. Just don't come back to Washington.

Barkley is a big fat pig who only knows how to talk bad about people when they aren't in front of him.

Barkley is a coward.

Lame.

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | February 26, 2010 2:55 PM | Report abuse

"I remember the early years when he always had to put the ball on the ground before going back up to the hoop. I remember the stone hands in the post. I remember the bungled free throws."

I think we all remember all of that, I always sais he wanted to play PG for the Wiz. ;)

He's a fine center, no doubt.

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | February 26, 2010 2:57 PM | Report abuse

I can't BELIEVE the clown wants to be a GM in the NBA!! The man is in DENIAL!!

Posted by: cdouglas2 | February 26, 2010 3:27 PM | Report abuse

I've noticed a lot of the same folks who were so vocal about how great Jamison and CB were and how bad BTH was quieted down some.

To understand BTH's value, read what basketball guys are saying. Hollinger has touted his defense for years. Cuban made the deal for HIM not the all star CB. CNNSI and ESPN have both printed articles about the resurgence of the Mavs and have credited BTH as the main reason.

I couldnt care less what folks here think about my opinion. Facts are facts. When he played here AND WAS GIVEN MINUTES, he was effective. The team sucked in part because our forwards sucked on defense. BTH's contributions were subsequently masked. You can't look at the guy's career and sum it up based on years when he barely played or was yanked in and out.

Revisionists can spin it all you want. You're the same ones that were claiming AB was a bum and out of shape and underachieving. Now some of those guys are on his nutz.

I guess when you know it all, you never need to shut up and listen. And we all know who I'm talking about.

Posted by: original_mark | February 26, 2010 3:32 PM | Report abuse

Barkley will take credit for any turnaround the team makes. He is an entertainer and the butttt of jokes. He has said many times that the big 3 never did anything and he loved Eddie Jordan. He forgets it was Jordan who had terrible rotations and took Haywood out to have Ruffin guard the hoop on James' famous dunk that doomed that team. I really wonder if he watches basketball games. His opinions are that of a highlight watcher.

Posted by: photoassign | February 26, 2010 3:49 PM | Report abuse

Nice try.

I said he was a better/more offensively skilled player than Haywood when he was at the same point in his career as Haywood is now (explaining why, along with other reasons, he got more money than Haywood). But that has nothing to do with comparing them both in the here and now. Right now Dampier is 5 or 6 years older than Haywood with a laundry list of injuries. And even with that, if Dampier were healthy, he'd still be starting ahead of Haywood.

Posted by: kalo_rama
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Bad try.

We were never considered merely "offensive skills." We were comparing players to their relative salary (which should never just base on "offensive skills" alone).

Why a player got more salary than others? There are many reason. By your logic, Brian Cardinal, Bobby Simmon alike (too many examples to mention) must be great players! (And if Mark Cuban offers BTH a fat contract this offseason then Haywood would suddenly becomes a better player in your eyes?)

I would not disagree with other poster saying that Haywood at his prime is probably at the same level as Dampier at his prime.

As for your last sentence, Dmapier is projected to be back for the playoff, are you willing to bet who will satrt?

Posted by: sagaliba | February 26, 2010 3:56 PM | Report abuse

Who will come to DC? Somebody who gets traded. Draftees. Young FA's that are stuck behind a vet with big, long term contract. Vet FA's who want to make some money. Not every player has the luxury of getting to say "I won't play for DC."

Guys play for teams that are paying. They want to get paid.

Posted by: thecomedian1 | February 26, 2010 4:06 PM | Report abuse

Wait, Dampier a "jouney man?" He played 7 yrs with GSW and 6 yrs with DAL, and that's your definition of "jouney man?"

Despirate try, kal, real despirate!

Posted by: sagaliba | February 26, 2010 4:20 PM | Report abuse

Funny thing about Barkey's comments; he really were calling Bulter, Haywood, Stevenson, and Jamison D-League players. So he may have intended to insult the Wizards but he was also insulting those guys too.

I still love my guys and watch their games and hope that they do well. However it was time to give up on that crew. I now I am finally ready to give up on Arenas too. (I can't believe I said that.)

Posted by: HardCoreFan | February 26, 2010 4:44 PM | Report abuse

Hey Caron, from a former fan, Fu, seriously. Nobody, I'll repeat, nobody, needs to stand by and let ignorant things be said. Would you stand by when a girl was kicked or abused on the street too? Would you stand there and watch an old man or woman get beaten? Would you join in? All you have to do is call out the ignorance of barkley, obviously a punk full of himself. Right there, to his face. Are you are a man, or a mouse? Mouse, I think. There is an historic name for that, Judas. Caron, 6 minutes, just lost all respect for you, dude. I'll remember next time you are in DC for a game. Welcome back to the NBA, what's that crap?. Who was out on the court, me, Abe, Ernie, or you? So you prove now who you are, supporting character to others, no leader. Notice how we are winning here now you are gone. We beat Denver, and we have to listen to you giggle like a school girl about welcome back to the NBA? Good riddance, you, your underacheiving for the past 2 years, and your fat contract. We have some hungry basketball players here now to enjoy, who bring it every night. Now that's the NBA. Hey stern, how is it that you don't find this barkley crap insulting to you and a detriment to the league?

Posted by: ragtop4spd | February 26, 2010 7:11 PM | Report abuse

The TNT fat man has never said good a single thing about wiz.He used to be critical on some players including Buttler, now he clearly focused his negative arsenal to wards the organnization.The only thing i saw him run very well is not commenting on NBA games, he is good in running food commercials.
I think TNT has to question his intergtity.
are they testing him daily before he enter to the station?

The fat man would have plenty of good things to say about the Wiz, if we could have won more then 2 PLAYOFF SERIES in the last 28 years. I think I'll listen to what Barkley has to say over a bunch of delusional Wiz fans. Funny stuff from Kenny and Charles and I'm happy Caron has a chance to contribute on a playoff team.

Hey Caron, from a former fan, Fu, seriously. Nobody, I'll repeat, nobody, needs to stand by and let ignorant things be said. Would you stand by when a girl was kicked or abused on the street too? Would you stand there and watch an old man or woman get beaten? Would you join in? All you have to do is call out the ignorance of barkley, obviously a punk full of himself. Right there, to his face. Are you are a man, or a mouse? Mouse, I think. There is an historic name for that, Judas. Caron, 6 minutes, just lost all respect for you, dude. I'll remember next time you are in DC for a game. Welcome back to the NBA, what's that crap?. Who was out on the court, me, Abe, Ernie, or you? So you prove now who you are, supporting character to others, no leader. Notice how we are winning here now you are gone. We beat Denver, and we have to listen to you giggle like a school girl about welcome back to the NBA? Good riddance, you, your underacheiving for the past 2 years, and your fat contract. We have some hungry basketball players here now to enjoy, who bring it every night. Now that's the NBA. Hey stern, how is it that you don't find this barkley crap insulting to you and a detriment to the league?

Posted by: ragtop4spd | February 26, 2010 7:11 PM | Report abuse

FU Caron? Are you crazy? Who's ignorant now? Ignorant things being said by Charles and Kenny. What was so wrong about what they said? I thought it was pretty funny. I'm a Wiz fan, but I'm not a CRAZY Wiz fan. I enjoy the game of basketball, but I'm not going to let the terrible Wiz ruin my enjoyment of the game. This is the best the NBA has been since Jordan retired in 98' and it's unfortunate the Wiz still haven't gotten their act together.

Posted by: wizfan81 | February 27, 2010 1:55 PM | Report abuse

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