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Ilgauskas buyout provides more savings

How much do championship rings cost nowadays? With all of the emeralds, and diamonds that go in those suckers these days, they must cost a pretty penny.

But Zydrunas Ilgauskas determined that the pursuit of a priceless championship was enough that, according to a person with knowledge of the negotiations, the 7-foot-3 agreed to surrender $1.5 million in a buyout agreement with the Washington Wizards. The two sides agreed on the terms late Wednesday night, the paperwork was finalized this morning and now Ilguaskas is free to go where he pleases.

Ilgauskas was acquired from Cleveland as part of a three-team trade that sent Antawn Jamison to the Cavaliers. The Wizards owed Ilgauskas nearly $3.5 million on the remainder of his $11.5 million contract and Ilgauskas also received a $600,000 trade kicker as part of the deal. But Ilgauskas spent more than one-third of that money in order to play for the team of his choice.

The Ilgauskas buyout completes a significant financial swing for the Wizards, who started the calendar year with a payroll around $79.3 million for 2009-10, well in excess of the $69.9 luxury tax threshold. But that number has been reduced to about $68 million, with the suspensions of Gilbert Arenas and Javaris Crittenton reducing payroll by nearly $4 million, a flurry of trades that reduced the salary by more than $5 million, and the $1.5 million give back from Ilgauskas. And, considering the dispersal check of nearly $4 million that teams receive for not paying the tax, the Pollin family avoided a major loss on a lousy team.

Dallas, Atlanta, Denver and Utah are among the teams that are expected to pursue Ilgauskas once he clears waivers. But the Cavaliers are a heavy favorite to retain his services after Ilgauskas has spent his entire career with the franchise, which drafted him in 1996. In order to return to Cleveland, Ilgauskas would have to wait until March 21. He would have to sign with another team before March 1 in order to make a postseason playoff roster.

At best, Ilgauskas could sign with those teams for a pro-rated amount of the veteran's minimum ($1.3 million) or the bi-annual exception ($1.99 million). But he still paid a hefty cost for his freedom. He might have to sell a few more DVDs.

By Michael Lee  |  February 25, 2010; 1:25 PM ET
 
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Comments

How wonderful for them. And what do we get as season-tix holders, although I shouldn't be asking that question as I'm not one and have not been for a decade? Hm-m-m?

Posted by: glawrence007 | February 25, 2010 1:33 PM | Report abuse

Little drafty in the old phone-booth last night wasn't it?

Posted by: glawrence007 | February 25, 2010 1:36 PM | Report abuse

How wonderful for them. And what do we get as season-tix holders, although I shouldn't be asking that question as I'm not one and have not been for a decade? Hm-m-m?

Posted by: glawrence007

I agree with you - and I am not a season ticket holder, either. But it does seem like the Wizards management has totally screwed the fans just to save $$$$.

Posted by: Lisa_R | February 25, 2010 1:38 PM | Report abuse

http://www.nba.com/2010/news/features/shaun_powell/02/24/gm/index.html?ls=iref:nbahpt1

NO GRUNFELD in NBA Top GM's

Posted by: horace1 | February 25, 2010 10:19 AM | Report abuse


Is that surprising?

With all that's happened with this franchise over the past 2-3 seasons, Grunfeld is in "Isiah Thomas" territory when it comes to GM legacies.

Posted by: p1funk | February 25, 2010 1:39 PM | Report abuse

Absolutemond, mon cherie.

Posted by: glawrence007 | February 25, 2010 1:43 PM | Report abuse

absolutemond, monsieur.

Posted by: glawrence007 | February 25, 2010 1:45 PM | Report abuse

I've been a season ticket holder for 5yrs and the Pollins havent raised prices much at all, if any.

So I cant begrudge them saving millions on a lousy team, every owner in the league does that.

'Course, I'm up in the "Penthaus" and dont know if prices went up for the good seats

Posted by: divi3 | February 25, 2010 1:55 PM | Report abuse

Drafty isnt the word for it, glawrence007. I remember the first game post BTH, CB and AJ and the players could actually hear you on the court loud enough to respond. At that game I yelled 'Oleksiy Pecherovvvv' and he looked over, raised his hand, waved and smiled.

Well, it was like that last night. I said something to Dray during a free throw and he looked over and gave a thumbs up. I didnt even have to yell.

To everyone who has tickets and isnt showing up...You're missing out. This team hustles and is much more entertaining than the one we had a few weeks ago.
Whether it's Dray delivering a behind the back pass leading the break to a teammate or Nick Young dunking on a C after getting fouled previously, it's worth the price of admission. Singleton alone raises the excitement level with his aggressive shot blocking/rebounding. Thornton's bull rushes to the hoop are good to see, too.

I have to give major props to Foye, though. As a vet, he would be justified in forcing up a bunch of shots. Instead, he's deferred to Dray and Thornton and seems content to run the offense. Not many veteran guys would do that and it's benefited us.

Posted by: original_mark | February 25, 2010 2:16 PM | Report abuse

Wow, that's great news for the owners and something that no one else cares about one bit.

Posted by: ArlingtonHokie | February 25, 2010 2:18 PM | Report abuse

Amazing that almost 1/2 of the "top" GMs aren't in or going to the playoffs. LOL

You get to be a "top" GM by cutting salary?

I still was waiting on someone to tell me all the "terrible" moves Ernie made weighed against the good ones.

Without saying he drafted Jeffries and signed Chucky Atkins as a FA.

Posted by: SDMDTSU | February 25, 2010 2:19 PM | Report abuse

divi3, prices actually went down a little for me and I'm in the Box West 'VIP' seats. I suspect they'll go down again.

If not, I'll invest my cash in a bigger, higher def tv to watch the games rather than season tix.

Posted by: original_mark | February 25, 2010 2:19 PM | Report abuse

I'd say that based on the system we had and the coach, Ernie drafted and signed appropriately for the most part. Remember, we were being called the Suns of the East for a little while.We were built to run and gun with EJ's system and it suited the big 3 well when they were healthy. Granted, he made mistakes but I'd give him a C+ or B-.

That grade goes up to a solid B if AB continues to produce and Thornton turns into a player.

Posted by: original_mark | February 25, 2010 2:23 PM | Report abuse

Ilgauskas is an idiot. He's leaving $1.5M on the table to leave a team (Wiz) and return to the team (Cavs) that dumped him to begin with and still they won't win the championship this season.

Seems to me Wiz are winners given Ilgauskas was used as leverage to unload future salary on a player (Jamison) who wasn't in their plans for rebuilding.

Posted by: SkinzFanzz | February 25, 2010 2:27 PM | Report abuse

Yeah prices were cheap....it was like 41 games for the price of 14. Like $1200 for the 100 section.

Posted by: SDMDTSU | February 25, 2010 2:30 PM | Report abuse

Now this is funny:

NBA bans Dallas Mavericks player Caron Butler's straw-chewing

http://mavsblog.dallasnews.com/archives/2010/02/nba-bans-dallas-mavericks-player-caron-b.html

Posted by: sagaliba | February 25, 2010 2:31 PM | Report abuse

Amazing that almost 1/2 of the "top" GMs aren't in or going to the playoffs. LOL

You get to be a "top" GM by cutting salary?

I still was waiting on someone to tell me all the "terrible" moves Ernie made weighed against the good ones.

Without saying he drafted Jeffries and signed Chucky Atkins as a FA.

Posted by: SDMDTSU | February 25, 2010 2:19 PM | Report abuse

Wrong examples bud.

EG did let Jefffries go when Knicks offered him that monster deal. That was smart

EG traded for chucky with caron butler for kwame deal. very smart move.

Hence your logic is correct. eg made some bad decisions, but those two cites are bad examples. :-)

Posted by: jdgreger@yahoo.com | February 25, 2010 2:39 PM | Report abuse

Wrong examples bud.

EG did let Jefffries go when Knicks offered him that monster deal. That was smart

EG traded for chucky with caron butler for kwame deal. very smart move.

Hence your logic is correct. eg made some bad decisions, but those two cites are bad examples. :-)

Posted by: jdgreger@yahoo.com | February 25, 2010 2:39 PM | Report abuse

Clearly you didn't read what I said.

EG didn't draft Jared Jeffries.
EG didn't sign Chucky as a FA.

Those are false which a poster argued as bad decisions he made.

Posted by: SDMDTSU | February 25, 2010 2:50 PM | Report abuse

http://www.nba.com/2010/news/features/shaun_powell/02/24/gm/index.html?ls=iref:nbahpt1

NO GRUNFELD in NBA Top GM's but the two GM's that just traded with us are there. What's that say?

Posted by: horace1 | February 25, 2010 3:05 PM | Report abuse

Grunfeld, as of now, is working for the Pollins. And based on that Comcast interview with Robert Pollin, you've got to figure the direction he is getting is save as much money as possible now, because next year Gilbert is coming back and it will magically be 2007 again. I can't wait for this team to be sold.

Posted by: jweber1 | February 25, 2010 3:26 PM | Report abuse

in all fairness, I was watching highlights and bits and pieces from several games last night and many of them seemed "Drafty."

I was surprised at one of the games (Pacers bulls maybe???) that was was less full than the vC.

Posted by: Blurred | February 25, 2010 3:29 PM | Report abuse

I can't wait for a different GM!

Posted by: horace1 | February 25, 2010 3:33 PM | Report abuse

The Ilgauskas buyout completes a significant financial swing for the Wizards, who started the calendar year with a payroll around $79.3 million for 2009-10, well in excess of the $69.9 luxury tax threshold. But that number has been reduced to about $68 million, with the suspensions of Gilbert Arenas and Javaris Crittenton reducing payroll by nearly $4 million, a flurry of trades that reduced the salary by more than $5 million, and the $1.5 million give back from Ilgauskas. And, considering the dispersal check of nearly $4 million that teams receive for not paying the tax, the Pollin family avoided a major loss on a lousy team.

Do I even have to say the "C" word?

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | February 25, 2010 3:51 PM | Report abuse

original_mark and sdmdtsu, y'all in the sweet seats!

I live right down the street, from my couch to sitting in my seats is literally 10mins. 400 level, but halfcourt and rowB. At like $13 a pop or something, actually one of the cheapest things to do in DC.

And yeah, it is an absolute ghostown in the 400s which I kind of like sometimes, no lines or crowds and most people there are true Wiz fans

Posted by: divi3 | February 25, 2010 4:01 PM | Report abuse

c u next tuesday? that'd be kinda harsh, no?

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | February 25, 2010 4:02 PM | Report abuse

After the AJ trade, I thought Ernie was terrible. I hated losing Haywood who makes the Mavs much better. BUT, this team is fun and there is a real future for the Wiz. The have some holes to fill, and some cap money and 4 draft picks in 2011. This team, if Howard didn't go down, would have made a playoff run. We need a big body. McGee is going to be great, but gets pushed around too much. We may need a PG depending on what happens to the GA contract. And don't believe Ernie that GA is going to stay a Wiz. If the Wiz can break his contract, if he is convicted of a felony, they will do that in a heartbeat. And Foye is not the PG of the future. He is the good backup PG of the future. Like the Skins, a lot of pieces in place, but not an NBA Center or NBA PG.

Posted by: smallwhiteforward | February 25, 2010 4:03 PM | Report abuse

Do I even have to say the "C" word?

Posted by: bulletsfan78

you go on and on for months about how terrible Jamison is, then complain the team is cheap for doing the deal that moved him. Makes no sense at all.

If they kept everybody and paid the luxury tax would you praise them for spending? Of course not, you'd criticize them for keeping a going-nowhere group of overpaid vets together.

They cant win huh?

Posted by: divi3 | February 25, 2010 4:06 PM | Report abuse

"With all that's happened with this franchise over the past 2-3 seasons, Grunfeld is in "Isiah Thomas" territory when it comes to GM legacies."

Not even close. The wasteland Thomas made of the Knicks roster and the millstone he made of their salary cap dwarfs any missteps Grunfeld made. Unlike the Knicks, the Wizards were actually competitive for a good portion of Grunfeld's tenure. Moreover, Thomas left his mess behind for someone else to clean up, as opposed to Grunfeld who, in the matter of a few weeks, has already started tidying up.

Posted by: kalo_rama | February 25, 2010 4:11 PM | Report abuse

Head-scratcher.

Caron's been chewing straws for years and years--before games, during games and after games. Now it's against the rules? I see why Cuban is so paranoid about David Stern.

Posted by: artiesliver | February 25, 2010 4:14 PM | Report abuse

"If the Wiz can break his contract, if he is convicted of a felony, they will do that in a heartbeat."

He's already been convicted of a felony, and they haven't made a single move towards trying to void his deal. And every indication is that they won't because they know they'd fail.

Posted by: kalo_rama | February 25, 2010 4:19 PM | Report abuse

Oh, and those Lebron puppet commercials are flat out idiotic.

Posted by: kalo_rama | February 25, 2010 4:20 PM | Report abuse

I'm seriously disappointed with Randy Foye and his decision making. He takes forever and a day to start the offense and almost never looks to initiate a fast break and heaven help us if he has the ball with the shot clock winding down cause the man evidently cannot count backwards and has no idea that 10...9...8...7...6...5...is a sign that he needs to either shoot it or get it to someone in a position to shoot fast.

Posted by: blackman1 | February 25, 2010 4:23 PM | Report abuse

Did the article above confuse anyoneelse besides me?

I thought clearly it was indicating at the beginning that Z wanted back to Cleveland for the playoffs.

However, later on it indicates that Z can't sign with Cleveland until March 28 but in order to make a playoff roster he has to sign with a team by March 1st.

So if signs after the 1st he dosen't get into the playoffs? (with Cleveland?)

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | February 25, 2010 4:29 PM | Report abuse

"he has to sign with a team by March 1st"

You missed the "other."

Posted by: fansincebullets | February 25, 2010 4:37 PM | Report abuse

Did the article above confuse anyoneelse besides me?

I thought clearly it was indicating at the beginning that Z wanted back to Cleveland for the playoffs.

However, later on it indicates that Z can't sign with Cleveland until March 28 but in order to make a playoff roster he has to sign with a team by March 1st.

So if signs after the 1st he dosen't get into the playoffs? (with Cleveland?)

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD

Larry, I was confused as well....

Posted by: Lisa_R | February 25, 2010 4:39 PM | Report abuse

Memo to Z -
You're the only person in the world who would pay to stay in Cleveland rather than move on to DC, Dallas, Atl, Denver or Salt Lake. Enjoy the clean air Bro!

Posted by: gary9smith | February 25, 2010 4:40 PM | Report abuse

HASHEEM THABEET IS HEADED TO THE WIZARDS!

The N. Dakota Wizards of the D League, that is.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=4946483

Posted by: kalo_rama | February 25, 2010 4:46 PM | Report abuse


I'm glad Z was bought out. I don't think I could stomach him wearing the Wizards jersey. I wonder if Mike James is going to be bought out.

Also, was Mike James not playing for this team punishment to him for picking up the player 6 million option during the off season. I'd figured the team would give him some minutes when Foye got hurt and Gil was suspend. but instead they picked up Boykins.

Posted by: rcnasa | February 25, 2010 4:52 PM | Report abuse

The Ilgauskas buyout completes a significant financial swing for the Wizards, who started the calendar year with a payroll around $79.3 million for 2009-10, well in excess of the $69.9 luxury tax threshold. But that number has been reduced to about $68 million, with the suspensions of Gilbert Arenas and Javaris Crittenton reducing payroll by nearly $4 million, a flurry of trades that reduced the salary by more than $5 million, and the $1.5 million give back from Ilgauskas. And, considering the dispersal check of nearly $4 million that teams receive for not paying the tax, the Pollin family avoided a major loss on a lousy team.

Do I even have to say the "C" word?

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | February 25, 2010 3:51 PM

you can say it. the propaganda machine is working overtime, so you have to also. everything that has happened,leading up to this "Pollin inspired" cleaning house situation... it all happened on Grunfeld's watch. The losing, the firings, the guns, the deceptions, everything. Don't forget it.

Posted by: horace1 | February 25, 2010 5:02 PM | Report abuse

Re. the discussion about the PG we need next season:
In the summer, I think if Grunfeld can get Jordan Farmar for $10M-12M over 3 years he'll grab him. (Farmar was not offered the qualifying offer by the Lakers yet) Grunfeld likes making reclamation projects out of other teams' discarded players, particularly PGs.
Crittenton from LA via Memphis, James from Memphis, and Foye from Minnesota.

He also took Arenas from Golden State and Daniels from San Antonio.

As for Gil, I don't know although folks on here think he might fit in to the rebuilding team. Personally I don't think so because he did not show in the few months what he used to have: speed. He actually slowed the team down, walked the ball up the court much like Daniels used to.

That's why Saunders likes Boykins so much, because he actually sped the team up when he could get into a fastbreak compared to Arenas. (without a fastbreak though, Boykins dribbles too much) Foye is also faster up the court than Arenas.

Posted by: rickgonz | February 25, 2010 5:02 PM | Report abuse

Wow! Thabeet has the dubious distinction of being the highest pick ever to be assigned to the D-League. I doubt this "record" will ever be surpassed.

Posted by: artiesliver | February 25, 2010 5:25 PM | Report abuse

10-12 mil for Farmar? I hope not. He can't even start over 60 year old Fisher. We need to start talking total rebuild, just not patch jobs. Look how great that worked for OKC. And Gil is big enough to play off the ball with another PG, to offset his lack of speed. That was real effective before he got suspended. I just PRAY that we don't overspend on some average player. The smart thing to do would be to position ourselves for the 2011 free-agent class, with so many team's eyes on this one.

Posted by: lchittams | February 25, 2010 5:31 PM | Report abuse

from a mavs blog:

"The guy played years in Washington & straw-chewing was never an issue. A couple weeks in Dallas, and suddenly an issue. What's dumb is team, fans & media making a 'campaign' out of it drawing unnecessary attention toward it, thus inclining the league to take action.

If fans & local's had kept their Mickey D's straws at home, all this 'ban' noise wouldn't have happened. No big deal made outta it while he played in DC. I guess fans in Dallas are inferior to those in DC. Lesson learned - sometime's best to keep mouth shut & don't bring unnecessary attention upon yourselves."

Maybe they had a straw night or something. Does seem odd Stern would ban it now, he must really loathe cubano

Posted by: divi3 | February 25, 2010 5:32 PM | Report abuse

I'd quess that Ernie's trying to make the point that Gil is under contract here to try and preserve some trade value. I just can't see where the Washington fans are going to be ready to support him when he ruined a season with a dumb move and then compounded if his remarks about the commissioner. That was almost a dare...

His situation isn't a lot different then the group of guys from the Pacers that were involved in the fight in Detroit. They went on to play in the league, just not in Indy. I'd think Gil winds up in NY or possibly on the West Coast. But Memphis could a possible stop too.

Ernie's seemed to pull a few deals with Memphis and they've got cap space and extra picks to work with too...

Plus a big center that needs some court time. You can't teach size...

Posted by: flohrtv | February 25, 2010 5:54 PM | Report abuse

That's why Saunders likes Boykins so much, because he actually sped the team up when he could get into a fastbreak compared to Arenas. (without a fastbreak though, Boykins dribbles too much) Foye is also faster up the court than Arenas.

Posted by: rickgonz | February 25, 2010 5:02 PM | Report abuse


What are you watching?

Posted by: NewManagement | February 25, 2010 6:07 PM | Report abuse

So if signs after the 1st he dosen't get into the playoffs? (with Cleveland?)

LarryInClintonMD.

______________________________

Yeah, I noticed that & it doesn't make any sense...

Ok, I just found what it is... You have to be WAIVED by 3/1 to be eligible for playoff rosters. It doesn't matter when he signs, I guess.

Posted by: tony325 | February 25, 2010 6:10 PM | Report abuse

Thanks tony325. I guess once the train leaves the station we have to figure it out ourselves.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | February 25, 2010 6:29 PM | Report abuse

Speaking of not being able to draft -

Hasheem Thabeet has been sent to the D-League by the Grizzlies, along with Lester Hudson.

Thabeet was the second overall pick in the 2009 NBA Draft.

Thabeet now becomes the highest ranked draft pick to play in the D-League.

Posted by: junkmail0153 | February 25, 2010 6:51 PM | Report abuse

"the Pollin family avoided a major loss on a lousy team. "

And that's what this has all been about, isn't it?

The Wiz suddenly look like a more attractive purchase. Gilbert's contract is less of a liability because the team's other burdens have been reduced. Will Washington hang on to Arenas? If the team's sold, it'll be somebody else's decision.

By the way, Memphis must really feel embarrassed about Thabeet. I mean, everybody knew he had flaws, but D-League? What's next, the Duanggong New Century Leopards of the Chinese Basketball Association?

Ouch.

Posted by: Samson151 | February 25, 2010 7:23 PM | Report abuse

Thabeet being sent to the D-League looks bad for him, but with the way Marc and Zach are playing the middle for Memphis, it might turn out to be a super smart move for Memphis.

It allows Thabeet to play and develop rather than sit on the bench.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | February 25, 2010 7:27 PM | Report abuse

It's funny how the Wiz front line was "overmatched" last night, but EG elected to buyout Big Z anyway.

Talk about a pre-arranged deal.

Big Z should sign with any team not named the Cavs, as they signed Shaq and sent him to the bench.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | February 25, 2010 7:47 PM | Report abuse

A player is eligible for a team's playoff roster as long as he WASN'T on another team's roster on March 1st or later.

Big Z is therefore eligible to be signed by anybody, including the Cleveland Cavaliers but because they were the team that traded him, they have to wait 30 days to sign him.

If he Wizards had waived him after March 1st, then he couldn't play for another team in the playoffs.

Posted by: calixtop | February 25, 2010 8:18 PM | Report abuse

By the way, Memphis must really feel embarrassed about Thabeet. I mean, everybody knew he had flaws, but D-League? What's next, the Duanggong New Century Leopards of the Chinese Basketball Association?

Ouch.
Posted by: Samson151 | February 25, 2010 7:23 PM
...
Its a smart move and a lot of the young Wiz players could have benefited from the NBDL instead of assisting at this zoo. Memphis is brave and maybe ahead of the curve.

Posted by: horace1 | February 25, 2010 8:40 PM | Report abuse

Thabeet being sent to the D-League looks bad for him, but with the way Marc and Zach are playing the middle for Memphis, it might turn out to be a super smart move for Memphis.

It allows Thabeet to play and develop rather than sit on the bench.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD
.....
didnt see you Larry.. plus they have the Iranian making good progress

Posted by: horace1 | February 25, 2010 8:44 PM | Report abuse

Gilbert should stay here..he should be forced to fix what he created with his actions.

Posted by: ineedajob | February 25, 2010 8:49 PM | Report abuse

For instance, let's say you root for the Wizards like my buddy House. Over the last two years, House watched his team overpay Arenas ($111 million; nobody else could have offered more than $85 million at the time) and Antawn Jamison (a $41 million extension for someone about to reach his mid-30s) in a bizarre attempt to keep together the nucleus of a non-contender. Those contracts forced the Wiz to package the No. 5 pick in the 2009 draft, along with a couple of lousy contracts, for immediate help (Randy Foye and Mike Miller). When that move backfired and Arenas went child actor on us, the team called an audible and dealt three of its four best players (Jamison, Caron Butler and Brendan Haywood) for expiring contracts and the No. 30 pick in the 2010 draft.

Three unintentionally funny outcomes here. First, Wizards GM Ernie Grunfeld was the one who overpaid everybody, then had to sacrifice Butler and a 2009 lottery pick just to undo his own horrendous mistakes. Basically, he created the same cap space that could have been attained two summers ago, only Washington fans lost a lottery pick in the process. Did he get fired for this? Of course not.

Second, the Wizards will have a ton of cap space this summer, only this summer's top free agents won't be saying, "Man, I'd love to play on a young team that's built around Gilbert Arenas." So it's a flawed business plan coming out of the gate. The Wizards shouldn't even mention the words "cap space" to their fans again. It's like promising your kids an ice cream at the end of a long drive when you know there's nothing in the fridge.

Third, they actually tried to sell their fans that one benefit of the Jamison trade was dipping the Wizards under the luxury tax threshold. As House hissed afterward, "What the [bleep] do I care if the Wiz aren't paying the tax? How does that affect me? Does that mean they're lowering ticket prices for the rest of the year then?"

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/wizardsinsider/2010/02/more-on-the-zydrunas-ilgauskas.html

Posted by: horace1 | February 25, 2010 8:51 PM | Report abuse

"Its a smart move and a lot of the young Wiz players could have benefited from the NBDL instead of assisting at this zoo. Memphis is brave and maybe ahead of the curve."

Please. Would it have been a smart move for the Pistons or Wizards to have send Darko or Kwame to the D-league (if the D-league was even around then)? Maybe. Would it have changed the fact that they were both busts? Nope. The number 2 pick in the draft should be a contributor, at the very least. If you have to send a guy taken that high somewhere to learn how to play, it means you blew the pick. Period.

Posted by: kalo_rama | February 25, 2010 9:13 PM | Report abuse

"Ernie's seemed to pull a few deals with Memphis and they've got cap space and extra picks to work with too...

Plus a big center that needs some court time. You can't teach size..."

Posted by: flohrtv | February 25, 2010 5:54 PM | Report abuse

Evidently. See HASHEEM THABEET.

Posted by: glawrence007 | February 25, 2010 9:27 PM | Report abuse

"Also, was Mike James not playing for this team punishment to him for picking up the player 6 million option during the off season."

Mike James is sitting at home, drawing fat paycheck (it was a team allowed leaves). I will take that punishment any day!

The team wants to negotiate a buyout, but he wants the team to just waive him, so he would not miss a dime, since his chance of signing with another team is not that good.

Posted by: sagaliba | February 25, 2010 9:34 PM | Report abuse

But, if the move really helps and matures Thabeets game, then it will really turn out to be a smart move and a good draft pick to boot.

Just think, you got a 7'3" center that you really can do without for right now because of the play of Zach and Mark.

If Thabeet dosen't show any dramatic improvement then yes you are 100% correct, but if by the grace of God Thabeet turns it around it changes everything.

NBA centers are sparse as you well know.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | February 25, 2010 9:35 PM | Report abuse

:Its a smart move and a lot of the young Wiz players could have benefited from the NBDL instead of assisting at this zoo. Memphis is brave and maybe ahead of the curve.Posted by: horace1"

Now that you mention it, maybe NBDL stands for "national basketball disappointment league."

Posted by: Samson151 | February 25, 2010 9:37 PM | Report abuse

Funny how I remember this summer Larry was saying we need Thabeet...LOL

Posted by: SDMDTSU | February 25, 2010 9:39 PM | Report abuse

It makes you glance back at UConn when Thabeet was there. Remember that string of seemingly untouchable performances he had in the middle of last season? Sure, there were scouts who thought him overrated, but out of the league entirely? I doubt anybody saw that.

I have to believe the guy will come back from this, maybe even get cut and picked up elsewhere for less money. But Memphis would take a bath on that, so maybe they hang on and keep trying.

Posted by: Samson151 | February 25, 2010 9:41 PM | Report abuse

"But, if the move really helps and matures Thabeets game, then it will really turn out to be a smart move and a good draft pick to boot.

He's the number 2 pick in the draft. The very least that should be expected from him is that he be able to contribute on a lottery/bottom-rung playoff caliber team. He's got an undrafted FA from Iran playing ahead of him. He may well develop into a decent, maybe even rotation-caliber player eventually, but there's nothing "good" about having to send the #2 overall pick to the D-League so he can learn the basics of the game. Even if he does develop into a rotation caliber player (and that's far from a given) the odds of him ever coming close to justify being taken #2 are astronomically long. That pretty much makes him a huge disappointment at best, and an outright bust at worst. There's nothing "good" about that.

Posted by: kalo_rama | February 25, 2010 9:44 PM | Report abuse

When I asked what the season ticket-holders got, I wasn't referring to the price of admission.

I was referring to the quality of the product on the court. But after what,five games,it looks like these new guys [and the three holdovers] may win more games than the straw-poll did.

Oops, can't mention that, it's banned. So maybe ticket prices should be raised, if people start using the phone-booth as a destination again.

Posted by: glawrence007 | February 25, 2010 9:44 PM | Report abuse

"Third, they actually tried to sell their fans that one benefit of the Jamison trade was dipping the Wizards under the luxury tax threshold. As House hissed afterward, "What the [bleep] do I care if the Wiz aren't paying the tax? How does that affect me? Does that mean they're lowering ticket prices for the rest of the year then?"
Posted by: horace1"

Anybody believe for a moment that these trades were done for the benefit of the fans? Of course you don't.

So teams BS the fans and the media in hopes of retaining as much revenue as they can squeeze out of the declining market. Color me shocked.

Posted by: Samson151 | February 25, 2010 9:45 PM | Report abuse

That pretty much makes him a huge disappointment at best, and an outright bust at worst. There's nothing "good" about that.

Posted by: kalo_rama | February 25, 2010 9:44 PM | Report abuse

Are you still describing KWAME BROWN?

Posted by: glawrence007 | February 25, 2010 9:46 PM | Report abuse

Funny how I remember this summer Larry was saying we need Thabeet...LOL

Posted by: SDMDTSU | February 25, 2010 9:39 PM | Report abuse

Well hell, so was I if you remember, much as I hate to admit it. You're not alone LARRY with that eggo on your face.

Posted by: glawrence007 | February 25, 2010 9:49 PM | Report abuse

"Anybody believe for a moment that these trades were done for the benefit of the fans? Of course you don't. "

Don't ask Larry that question, or he'll regale you (again) with tales about how he and bulletboy were the only people here smart enough to decipher the fact that the Wiz were offloading contracts to get under the tax threshold and save money.

Posted by: kalo_rama | February 25, 2010 9:51 PM | Report abuse

Thabeet is never going to amount, and it was clear by summer league. One of the more damning things I've ever heard about a guy "He doesnt appear interested in the game of basketball" or something like that.

He picked up the game really late in life because of his size and apparently doesnt enjoy playing the game.

#2 pick done BUSTED.

At least Yinka wanted to play!

Posted by: divi3 | February 25, 2010 10:20 PM | Report abuse

The question is what can we get for Arenas in a trade?

I'd be for something like a deal to Houston for Jeffries and Battier. They are guys who can help next season, and then expire to open the room to go for Durant.

Durant should be the objective of the franchise. With the room we've opened, plus moving Gil's contract we can make a serious move for Durant.

This offseason I would like to see us draft a center with our 1st pick. I'd love to get Cousins. I'd be happy with Aldridge too.

Posted by: Darnell1 | February 25, 2010 10:50 PM | Report abuse

Wizards need another big man. At the moment, Brian Butch is tearing up the D League.
http://www.nba.com/dleague/playerfile/index.jsp?player=tmp_brian_butch

But he's only 240. Paul Davis is 270, and makes his free throws.

What's the story with Mike James?

Posted by: PostSubscriber | February 25, 2010 11:14 PM | Report abuse

Do I even have to say the "C" word?
Posted by: bulletsfan78 | February 25, 2010 3:51 PM |

But then you don't have $69M either so as they say, talk is cheap, walk the walk fat man.

Posted by: Rocc00 | February 26, 2010 12:57 AM | Report abuse

Anybody see Inside the NBA tonight??? They had Caron on there and my God Kenny Smith and Barkley are the biggest hipocrites ever. They need to wipe the cum off they mouths. I will recap it tomorrow or hopefully Michael Lee can find the video and post it for all can see.

Here is a sneak peek though...

Barkley: Man I am a fan of that guy Stevenson...that is the kind of guy you want on your team

My analysis: Didn't you call the Wizards the most stupid team ever mainly because of Stevenson comments/actions against Lebron and now you're on his nuts, because he play for a different team.

Kenny Smith also said the most dumbest thing ever, but thats for tomorrow.

Posted by: ATLredskin | February 26, 2010 2:06 AM | Report abuse

At best, Ilgauskas could sign with those teams for a pro-rated amount of the veteran's minimum ($1.3 million) or the bi-annual exception ($1.99 million). But he still paid a hefty cost for his freedom. He might have to sell a few more DVDs.
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I love it, a 34yo Lithuanian immigrant isnt performing as he once did with an employer and has become expendable. He winds up getting traded to a team he dosent want to play for and hasnt even worked a day for but somehow we pay him not to play for us? What "hefty" price did he pay? $1.5 mil? The dude came away with $2mil to not work. If he wanted the entire $3.5 or $11.5 mil he shouldnt have let his work slip to the point where he became expendable.

The military service members need to adopt this philosophy. Im going to start a "Sailors Union," so if I get orders to a ship I dont want or have to go fight a war I dont want, I can just not report and somehow come away with a bonus. Its amazing how F'd up pro sports are.

Posted by: AnthonyMix | February 26, 2010 6:09 AM | Report abuse

During the halftime break at the Cleveland-Boston game TNT analysts Sir Charles Barkley and Kenny "The Jet" Smith were discussing the Ilgauskas trade to the Wizards. Both Kenny and Charles felt that the NBA needed to amend the rule that allows a player to be dealt to a team, the player refuses to report, and then can return to his original team.

I agree. To use a baseball analogy, the Cavs waived Z and tried to grab him back after another team [the Wizards] claimed him.

I glad that the Wizards didn't get him, as he brings nothing to the rebuilding effort and would only delay JaVale McGee's progress.

Posted by: musicmanjr | February 26, 2010 6:56 AM | Report abuse

Yeah my stategy for Thabeet as we see now would have bombed here as well. But, then again we might have been decrying the fact why he never got off the bench.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | February 26, 2010 7:20 AM | Report abuse

ATLRedskin, I was listening too and thought the same thing. Oh how they were praising Jamison,Haywood,Butler and Stevenson now that they are not Wizards. Barkley is an idiot sometimes. I think he hates the Wizards organization because of the way things went down here with Michael Jordan(his buddy). Ever since then, he has been on a tear when it comes to the Wizards. He also alluded to the fact that the current Wiz are crap and that the Nuggets played down to them which is why we beat them not because just maybe we actually played them better. Who gives a crap what that chubby bum has to say anyway!

Posted by: ivyleague | February 26, 2010 7:21 AM | Report abuse

But he's only 240. Paul Davis is 270, and makes his free throws.

And PAUL DAVIS is still under contract to the WIZARDS. Is he hurt or under suspension, or are we paying him to stay away ala MIKE JAMES?

Posted by: glawrence007 | February 26, 2010 7:51 AM | Report abuse

It was only one game and a pre-season one to boot. But watched Thabeet against the Wizards here in Richmond and believe i remarked that he looked kind of dumb. Not saying you have to be Rhodes Scholar to play NBA ball (but the Wiz had one in McMillan), but you do have to have at least the ability to think somewhat on your feet.

He looked lost and not just lost in the "what was that play again?" way but more in a "now which team is mine?" kind of way.

Posted by: Blurred | February 26, 2010 7:57 AM | Report abuse

If Big Z was smart, and he's clearly not, he would seriously consider Atlanta for a few months of his life.

Cleveland isn't going to win a Championship this year.

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | February 26, 2010 8:43 AM | Report abuse

I don't look at the buyout as giving Z a bonus.

I look at it like giving your employer back 1/3 of your salary to quit immediately instead of giving two weeks notice.

Posted by: SDMDTSU | February 26, 2010 8:56 AM | Report abuse

Cavs played much better with Hickson in lineup last night, they must be worried about how the trade is going to pan out.

TNT referred to Deshawn as the "Lebron stopper" at one point....I knew we were terrible, but I didnt realize these guys hadnt watched ANY of our games in 2 years

Posted by: divi3 | February 26, 2010 9:13 AM | Report abuse

And PAUL DAVIS is still under contract to the WIZARDS. Is he hurt or under suspension, or are we paying him to stay away ala MIKE JAMES?

Paul Davis was cut on November 12th, 2009; the same day that Earl Boykins was signed.

Posted by: mabkhar | February 26, 2010 9:18 AM | Report abuse

John Wall didnt look like a sure thing last night, cant hit the college 3 and seems TO prone. Cousins looks like a safer pick, though maybe the same upside isnt there

Posted by: divi3 | February 26, 2010 9:28 AM | Report abuse

"Cousins looks like a safer pick, though maybe the same upside isnt there"

I worry about a kid who's only twenty years old and already weighs 280 pounds. I hope I'm wrong, but I see another John "Hot Plate" Williams or Eddy Curry. Wouldn't touch him.

Posted by: artiesliver | February 26, 2010 9:38 AM | Report abuse

yeah, that's a good point. who knows, maybe not getting a top5 pick will be a blessing is disguise

Posted by: divi3 | February 26, 2010 9:45 AM | Report abuse

"In order to return to Cleveland, Ilgauskas would have to wait until March 21. He would have to sign with another team before March 1 in order to make a postseason playoff roster."
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Based on this, Ilgauskas is really a total idiot. First, he could have just showed up and save some money to have the buy out later (after March 1) with the Wizards so that he can make the post season roster with another team since the Wizards could care less about post season this year anyway. Second, now that he needs to find a team to be on a roster before March 1, all the teams interested (Dallas, Atlanta, Denver and Utah) will make the post season and have no intention of cutting him just so that he can go back to Cleveland. He is then truly STUPID and should be thanked for the return of $1.5 million!

Posted by: JohnWWW | February 26, 2010 9:45 AM | Report abuse

"TNT referred to Deshawn as the "Lebron stopper" at one point....I knew we were terrible, but I didnt realize these guys hadnt watched ANY of our games in 2 years"

Not quite. Marv Albert said Stevenson was the "self-proclaimed Lebron stopper." He was quite clearly mocking him.

Posted by: kalo_rama | February 26, 2010 9:45 AM | Report abuse

Oops.
Just checked - make that 19 years old.

Posted by: artiesliver | February 26, 2010 9:46 AM | Report abuse

ah, i didnt hear the "self-proclaimed" part. that makes sense and is funny

Posted by: divi3 | February 26, 2010 9:46 AM | Report abuse

"If Thabeet dosen't show any dramatic improvement then yes you are 100% correct, but if by the grace of God Thabeet turns it around it changes everything."

God's grace has nothing to do with it. God graced Thabeet with being 7 feet tall with long arms. The rest is up to him, and so far Thabeet hasn't held up his end of the deal.

Posted by: kalo_rama | February 26, 2010 9:47 AM | Report abuse

I agree with you - and I am not a season ticket holder, either. But it does seem like the Wizards management has totally screwed the fans just to save $$$$.


Posted by: Lisa_R | February 25, 2010 1:38 PM | Report abuse

Have the Wizards "totally screwed" the fans? Yes, by being one of the most poorly-run franchises in the league over the last 30-plus years. But these latest moves are not poor management. Yes, they have saved the franchise a boat load of money and have increased the value of the Wizards re: the sales negotiations. But they're also the right thing to do long-term in the interests of putting a contending team on the floor. The Wizards as we knew them had to be torn down. They scored a lot of points (mostly under EJ) and were entertaining at times (when fully healthy, which they rarely were) but they played lousy defense and were weak on the defensive boards. They were never going to make a deep playoff run with the "big three" as the core of the team. With the stripped roster, the team and its fans will go through some short-term pain, but with some luck in the lottery and some cap room, the team will at least have the opportunity to build the right way - with talented guys who play hard and play selflessly on both ends of the court. The question is whether EG, or whomever is in charge after this season, will be good enough to put the right pieces in place.

Posted by: rbpalmer | February 26, 2010 9:49 AM | Report abuse

I worry about a kid who's only twenty years old and already weighs 280 pounds. I hope I'm wrong, but I see another John "Hot Plate" Williams or Eddy Curry. Wouldn't touch him.


Posted by: artiesliver | February 26, 2010 9:38 AM


You're way off base. Think Mel "Dinner Bell" Turpin and you'd be closer to the mark!

Posted by: Firuz1 | February 26, 2010 9:51 AM | Report abuse

"But it does seem like the Wizards management has totally screwed the fans just to save $$$$. "

What other options did they have? They could have kept the previous team together, but that would have just been screwing the fans while losing money. What kind of sense would that make?

If you really think there was any way they could have cleared out the remnants of the Big 3 era (which had to be done) and gotten back immediately productive high-level young players and multiple lottery picks, you're kidding yourself. This is the about the best they could do with what they had, both financially and competitively.

Posted by: kalo_rama | February 26, 2010 9:58 AM | Report abuse

Post of the day so far, ATLredskin. Funny as hell.

Posted by: original_mark | February 26, 2010 10:06 AM | Report abuse

I think, depending on draft position of course, the Wizards should get the Monroe kid from G'Town. He's a high-IQ player like a Jeff Green.

Posted by: Firuz1 | February 26, 2010 10:12 AM | Report abuse

John Wall didnt look like a sure thing last night, cant hit the college 3 and seems TO prone. Cousins looks like a safer pick, though maybe the same upside isnt there

Posted by: divi3 | February 26, 2010 9:28 AM | Report abuse

Didn't see the game last night, but this reifoces my thoughts that it can be premature to judge a player as a franchise NBA star based on 10 college games (which some on here were doing).

The dude is seriously good and everyone has a down game here and there (MJ v LaBradford???), but I am not sure that a 19 yo PG is going to save this franchise.

That said, he may be the best pick in the draft. I'd prefer to have aguy who has show he can play with the NBA dogs, though, or at least has spent a couple years running through the 64.

Trade for Maynor from OKC! guy can play lock down press, has icewater in his veins, can hit from anywhere, but makes sure everyone gets involved and can push the ball up court as quickly as anyone.

His downside is he is rail thin and about 6'2", but he is compared to chauncey billups and sam cassell.

Posted by: Blurred | February 26, 2010 10:14 AM | Report abuse

I may be in the minority but it seems to me like screwing the fans and saving money could be mutually exclusive.

How about doing something for us BECAUSE they were forced to revamp the roster. I'm not talking about dropping ticket prices next year, either. Season ticket holders THIS YEAR were sold a bill of goods that included promises of the playoffs because we had 3 past all stars on the roster. Gil cant be blamed on the Wiz but getting rid of the other two can. I have no idea what to ask for but maybe forgoing the 50% markup profit on concessions for season ticket holders (just show your stub or ticket holder card) would work.

Posted by: original_mark | February 26, 2010 10:15 AM | Report abuse

Stop belly aching. The team was paying premium prices for crappy basketball. Anyone w/ eyeballs had to know that the big three experiment was coming to an end soon. I wish we could stop living in the past and stop bringing up that one week where the wizards were on top of the eastern conference and Eddie coached the all-star game. If you're gonna lose may as well save a few bucks while doing it. The big three teams didn't play defense, and never knew how to make the extra pass. Atleast these young boys hustle and are hungry to make a name for themselves.
Too bad Josh Howard got hurt so quickly. Ah well. I'll be @ the game tonight for a little grunting, scratching and male bonding. 4 draft picks space, young hungry players and a little salary cap space sound good to me.

Posted by: RobAnthony | February 26, 2010 10:15 AM | Report abuse

I haven't made my decision yet cause everywhere you look they keep saying John Wall is the real deal.

But everytime I see this guy, I just don't come away with the same feeling. To me, he is just a taller version of John Lucas's boys and nothing close to any of guards that were drafted in the first round last year, the ones that are in the NBA of course.

What am I missing?

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | February 26, 2010 10:22 AM | Report abuse

From ESPN:

"DALLAS -- One of the first things many people noticed about Caron Butler after his arrival to the Dallas Mavericks is that the guard likes to chew straws during games.

The NBA obviously took notice as well.

NBA executive vice president Stu Jackson phoned Butler on Tuesday and told him to leave his straws at home."

Translation: Now that you're playing in the real NBA again, we're actually paying attention to what you do.

Since he's been doing it for years, I guess the league office doesn't watch Wizards games either.

Posted by: ts35 | February 26, 2010 10:34 AM | Report abuse

I am sure glad that those millionaires, the Pollins, are saving some money. I was losing sleep over that. The fans benefit ABSOLUTELY NONE!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: SadieV | February 26, 2010 10:51 AM | Report abuse

I have always wondered about that straw chewing and I even asserted that in my measley opinion that it isn't healthy cause of the chain reaction it causes the body to go through.

I even said it might be a cause for some Caron's inexplicable play at times.

I invited any opinion by anyone, even a medical point of view, but I did not get one single reply from anyones' ons' this blog.

Now he goes to Dallas and the straw chewing gets banned.

LMAO.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | February 26, 2010 11:02 AM | Report abuse

The Wizards needed to be blown up 2 years ago. They would have gotten a lot more for Jamison and Butler then than now.

Arenas should have been dealt back to Golden State in a sign and trade when his deal expired.

The rumor was that GS was willing to take Arenas back on the expectation that he would recover and be a gate attraction for the Warriors.

Posted by: leopard09 | February 26, 2010 11:16 AM | Report abuse

I am sure glad that those millionaires, the Pollins, are saving some money. I was losing sleep over that. The fans benefit ABSOLUTELY NONE!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: SadieV | February 26, 2010 10:51 AM | Report abuse

Can you honestly say that you would do anything differently at this point if you were in their shoes?

Posted by: rbpalmer | February 26, 2010 11:21 AM | Report abuse

Well actually if both Gil & Jamison left two years ago, the Wiz were still far enough over the cap that they wouldn't have been able to add more then one FA.

So the team wouldn't really be a lot better off then today. At the time Grunfeld resigned Arenas and Jamison, and made the trade last summer the moves looked practical.

The parts looked good on paper and the Jamison, Butler, Arenas, Stephenson, and Haywood combo had been successful when all were on the court together. Adding Foye, and Miller to the already young bench made more sense then adding another rookie to the mix.

But It had been a long time sense that starting group had appeared on the court together, and time, injuries, and a new coach with a new system, combined to make the parts not fit together anymore. The starting five just couldn't restore the magic they had before injuries ruined two seasons.

On the Thabeet situation. Memphis doesn't play defense to take addvantage of a shot blocker. None of their other 4's and 5's are strong shotblockers so they're not going to change their defensive mindset for a guy that's not getting minutes.

For a shotblocker to be effective guys have to be overplaying the outside shot and funneling the driver to the lane. Memphis was doing nothing to make use of Thabeet's size or shotblocking ability. He's limited offensively, so if you're not going to use him as a defender, he's a liability on the floor.

I'd bet he gets traded this summer, he's just not fitting in with what their coach wants to do. It would be like spending a first round draft pick on a run blocking tight end in football, when your head coach wants to run the spread offense with 5 wide receivers.

Just because Thabeet's useless in Memphis doesn't mean he's not an NBA player. It just makes no sense to draft a guy #2 when he doesn't fit your coach's system.
He might bloom somewhere else.
GM

Posted by: flohrtv | February 26, 2010 12:04 PM | Report abuse

"On the Thabeet situation. Memphis doesn't play defense to take addvantage of a shot blocker. None of their other 4's and 5's are strong shotblockers so they're not going to change their defensive mindset for a guy that's not getting minutes."

Shotblocking and rebounding have nothing to do with a team's "defensive mindset." In fact, a weak defensive team actually increases the opportunity for blocked shots because it encourages opposing players to take the ball to the rim. The Wizards, Warriors, Nets, and Nuggets have played little to no defense in recent years, yet Haywood, Biendrins, Lopez, and Anderson were usually among league leaders in shotblocking. Oh, and Marc Gasol, the Grizzlies starting C is in the top 15 in blocked shots this year. So much for their anti-shotblocking mindset.

It's about individual effort, ability, and understanding of the game. Thabeet seems lacking on all points at the NBA level. He may well turn out to be a serviceable player eventually, but he'll still be an underachieving disappointment at best and a bust at worst.

Posted by: kalo_rama | February 26, 2010 12:21 PM | Report abuse

I could care less what the Pollin's save on this lousy team. Bill Simmons made a great point in his article about the business model of the NBA. Why should the fans care? We aren't going to benefit. Let me try and paraphrase Mr. Simmons message using the Wizards as an example.

At the end of the day the Wizards MGMT Team just trimmed the fat of an idle bunch and saved themselves a lot of money. Awesome, too bad that same team put the over the cap squad together. That same team paid boy-doofus Gilbert Arenas that ludicrous contract (worth about 22 million more than he could have gotten anywhere else) and re-upped Antwan as a last ditch effort to make a run. They must have taken Front Office 101 with Danny over at Landover U.

The only caveat is they brought in some guys that want to win some games during the final stretch. I think that has more to do with lady luck shining down on the fanbase than it does with Team Wiz being shrewd and identifying cohesive parts for the young, remaining core.

Posted by: WaPoLiveFan16 | February 26, 2010 1:16 PM | Report abuse

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