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Wizards and Mavericks agree to multiple-player trade involving Caron Butler

UPDATED at 7:07 p.m.

The Washington Wizards and Dallas Mavericks have now completed a swap of Caron Butler, Brendan Haywood and DeShawn Stevenson for Josh Howard, Drew Gooden and two other players on Saturday.

The Washington Wizards and Dallas Mavericks have agreed in principle to a trade of Caron Butler, Brendan Haywood and DeShawn Stevenson for Josh Howard, Drew Gooden and other ancillary pieces, according to multiple league sources.

The teams have not yet submitted a trade proposal to the NBA league office for approval. The deal should be finalized by Monday, with the Wizards also getting back James Singleton and Quinton Ross, according to sources.

The trade dramatically changes the look of the Wizards (17-33). Butler made two all-star appearances in his five seasons in Washington, Haywood was the longest-tenured Wizard and final link to the Michael Jordan era and Stevenson was a starter on two playoff teams. But a person with knowledge of team's thinking said on Saturday that there could be more changes on the way before the Thursday trade deadline.

"It's time to go in another direction," said the person, who spoke on condition of anonymity because the trade is still being worked out. "This wasn't working."

The deal, which was agreed upon in principal on Friday, also involves the Wizards receiving James Singleton and Quinton Ross.

President Ernie Grunfeld declined comment when reached Saturday, but he hinted earlier in the week that the Wizards would explore making changes before Thursday's trade deadline. He expressed his disappointment that the Wizards rank next-to-last in the Eastern Conference despite a $79-million payroll, a roster that boasted three all-stars in Butler, Antawn Jamison and Gilbert Arenas and a successful coach in Flip Saunders. "I think on paper, this team looked good," Grunfeld said. "It just hasn't won as much as we would've all liked it to."

The Wizards grossly underachieved this season, and have been rumored for a makeover in the aftermath of season-ending suspensions for Arenas and Javaris Crittenton, who brought guns to the locker room at Verizon Center in a dispute last December.

They surrendered Butler, Haywood and Stevenson in what essentially is a salary dump that provides almost $15 million in cap relief for the 2010-11 season. Ross is the only player the Wizards receive who is signed through next season. The deal would also provide nearly $2.6 million in luxury tax relief this season for the Wizards, who will ship out $19.7 million in salaries while getting back $17.3 million. Coupled with the savings that the Wizards will already receive for suspensions to Arenas and Crittenton, the luxury tax penalty could be reduced by nearly $7 million.

By Michael Lee  |  February 13, 2010; 5:25 PM ET
 
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Comments

Congratulations... the Wizards even suck worse... WOOOOO HOOOO!!!

Posted by: tony325 | February 13, 2010 5:39 PM | Report abuse

the mavs just got a whole lot better.

Posted by: tedunni1 | February 13, 2010 5:45 PM | Report abuse

Ok kids let's now watch Mr.Ernie gut the team then get fired, what's next, are we going to sign Kareem,Magic? This is so sad to be happening during the year when Abe dies,just sickening.

Posted by: mfowler1 | February 13, 2010 5:46 PM | Report abuse

Can I get a refund for my remaining tickets? I have no interest in seeing Oberto playing 30+ minutes per game. We all know Flip aint giving AB or Jm those minutes. If ppl think our defense was bad before, imagine now without BTH. Someone needs to buy this franchise (New Orleans) and put us out of our misery.

I'm all or dumping Cb and DS but throwing in BTh was stupid. If we'd committed to him and paid him his worth he probably wldve stayed.

Posted by: original_mark | February 13, 2010 5:47 PM | Report abuse

Wow, what a trade. Something for nothing. I bet Ernie had to work really hard to make sure that the Mavs can challenge the Lakers in the west.

Posted by: calhokie | February 13, 2010 5:49 PM | Report abuse

I'm completely underwhelmed. That's all we could get? This looks like a "Win" for the Mavs.

Posted by: bucky_katt | February 13, 2010 5:57 PM | Report abuse

Hey, let's look at the bright side of this - we finally got rid of DeBrick!

Posted by: cmecyclist | February 13, 2010 5:58 PM | Report abuse

John Wall sweepstakes - here we come!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: lanka124 | February 13, 2010 6:00 PM | Report abuse

you people on this blog are idiots would how would you suggest we rebuild, you have to dump salary i am a season ticket holder on the floor it might suck for a year or two but you have to gut it in order to fix it, do the same thing with jamison, just dont help cleveland in the process, keep gutting the team and shipping them all out west. job well done ernie

Posted by: billy12 | February 13, 2010 6:00 PM | Report abuse

"the mavs just got a whole lot better."

Don't see how. Butler and Howard, even at their best, are pretty much the same player, and both of them have struggled this season. Gooden for Haywood is an offense for defense swap, but Gooden's a better offensive player than Haywood is a defensive player. Plus, if Haywood plays the same backup minutes that Gooden has been getting (about 24 per game) in a contract year . . . well, to paraphrase Cormac McCarthy, there will be pouting.

Posted by: kalo_rama | February 13, 2010 6:02 PM | Report abuse

I hope the Wizards have the nuts to challenge the NBA, agents, and the player's association by taking a stand and voiding Arenas' contract.

That is what needs to be done for the health of the team and the character of the NBA.

Even I might start watching again once the NBA's thug culture becomes more civilized.

Sorry to see Caron Butler get traded - good player who stays out of trouble and does his job like a professional.

The Wizards robbed the Lakers dumping Kwame Brown for Caron Butler, but the Mavericks just equalized the gift by getting rid of injury-prone Josh Howard - typical Wizards move.

Posted by: clandestinetomcat | February 13, 2010 6:03 PM | Report abuse

Congrats Caron, you deserve to go somewhere that winning a fan support are consistent.

Posted by: cmann083@yahoo.com | February 13, 2010 6:03 PM | Report abuse

Wow!Are you kidding me?We couldn't get a damn future 1st round pick out of this.This is probaly one of the worst trades I have ever seen.If I were a season ticket holder,I would try and get my refund for the year just for this dumb ass trade.UNBELIEVABLE!

Posted by: johnjrosenbach | February 13, 2010 6:04 PM | Report abuse

Ugh...

Posted by: washwiz | February 13, 2010 6:05 PM | Report abuse

In Ernie We Trust.

Posted by: free5 | February 13, 2010 6:08 PM | Report abuse

This move had to have had Leonsis approval! I guess I'll watch a couple of games after the break just to satisfy my curiosity and then move on. This makes about as much sense as firinf Eddie Jordan and then having Tapscott finish out the season.

Posted by: bobilly2 | February 13, 2010 6:08 PM | Report abuse

Oh well. I'm glad for Caron and Brendan; we'll see now what they can do when teamed up with a real point guard.

Posted by: PostSubscriber | February 13, 2010 6:11 PM | Report abuse

The salary dump is better than nothing. I would not have been a happy camper if the trading deadline passed and we stayed put.

Still, it would have been nice to get at least one semi-useful piece back.

Posted by: Tank2 | February 13, 2010 6:13 PM | Report abuse

Oh how could we miss the opportunity to have Gooden and Stevenson on the same roster? What a great beard-growing contest promo... Where is La Sooz when we need her????

Posted by: khrabb | February 13, 2010 6:14 PM | Report abuse

Very. Bad. Trade.

Posted by: RedCherokee | February 13, 2010 6:16 PM | Report abuse

Don't forget the big, over-riding force here: The sale of the Wizards to Leonsis. This appears to make the Wizards less expensive, easier to sell, and there's still a basketball team to put on the court to finish out the year. This is just the beginning of the beginning. It will be very difficult to judge where this is going until we 1) know who owns this team and 2) know whether they will keep Grunfeld. We also have no idea what Grunfeld's direction is and where/who it is coming from, nor do we know who is calling the shots (the Polin family?) That's what the Washington Post should find out.

Posted by: jweber1 | February 13, 2010 6:19 PM | Report abuse

we werent goin to resign haywood next yr, butlers overpaid and not helping us win, and WE GET RID OF STEVENSON!!!We should be celebrating people!

Posted by: bbachrac | February 13, 2010 6:20 PM | Report abuse

Haven't any Wizards fan learned anything by what the Caps had to do to actually get better. You have start COMPLETELY from scratch. If they can get one or two decent free agents next year to compliment what should be a top 3 pick from the draft, that will be a healthy start and one that will help to mold the team for the future.

Only trades of this type can get this team moving in the right direction.

Nice start...keep the unloading coming!

Posted by: dglelite | February 13, 2010 6:24 PM | Report abuse

Solid move... We probably won't keep either of these players beyond this year so let's get the cap relief and start losing... What good does it do us to win 30 games and have the 10th pick in the draft. We need to dump all the long-terms (including AJ & Gil's) and hope for a high pick. In all seriousness, this is the best timing to blow this team up. With 2-3 good moves and some fortune in the "best ever free agent" off season we can be back in the playoff mix in 1-2 years....

Posted by: cedric_lockhart | February 13, 2010 6:27 PM | Report abuse

and lets be honest...Caron for Howard is a straight up trade and EVERYONE (AND I MEAN EVERYONE!!!) wanted Stevenson and haywood out of here for years!

Now everyone got their wish!

Posted by: dglelite | February 13, 2010 6:27 PM | Report abuse

Wouldn't it be nice to have a 2009 NBA Draft do-over? Rubio, Flynn, DeRozen, Curry, Jennings . . . Any of those guys would have been a nice start on rebuilding. If the Wiz don't resign Mike Miller then we gave up one of the above players for Randy Foye. WOW!

Posted by: thinker11 | February 13, 2010 6:31 PM | Report abuse

"well, to paraphrase Cormac McCarthy, there will be pouting.Posted by: kalo_rama"

LOL this is no country for young men...

Posted by: Samson151 | February 13, 2010 6:32 PM | Report abuse

For those of you who don't like the trade. What did this team do this year except get arrested?

Posted by: jmy999 | February 13, 2010 6:33 PM | Report abuse

Leonsis has met LeBron a few times and even introduced him to Ovie.Wouldn't it be nice to have LeBron and Ovie in the same town and play in the same place.I guess I can dream huh

Posted by: johnjrosenbach | February 13, 2010 6:35 PM | Report abuse

I am a season ticket holder and wish I could get my money back. This trade is unbelievable. Hit me on my e-mail address for free tickets.

Posted by: collegeparksherman | February 13, 2010 6:35 PM | Report abuse

And this trade makes the Wizards better how? We still have those uneracheiving reserves on the bench that no other team wanted. Otherwise, they would have been gone. This really Sucks!!

I am tired of waiting for the next season every season . I want a REFUND for tickets arleady purchased!!

Ernie Grunfeld has doomed this team to NBA purgatory!

Posted by: ivyleague | February 13, 2010 6:37 PM | Report abuse

if there's alterior motives behind this deal, it had better be good. i don't see this as a good thing otherwise. you dump cap space, lower tax hit, thus lower sales price for the team for leonsis. that make sense. to do this only to better the team, makes no sense at all. no draft picks involved. maybe you can trade gooden to a contender looking for help up front(maybe boston, with jamison for any of those afforementioned players, plus their pick),KG has been hobbled and gooden could fit that position for them. this is where those great teams plan 2 steps ahead. cleveland may still want jamison and that threat to move him to boston may loosen up their pick. you really rather have a pick ,than hickson. nothing against him, but his talent is a dime a dozen in the nba at this stage of his career. give me he pick and then i decide who's the future here. there has to be more and it has to include picks, otherwise you're still on the same rollercoaster ride, going nowhere fast....

Posted by: joerutgens72 | February 13, 2010 6:38 PM | Report abuse

If I am not mistaken, isn't Josh Howaard an admitted pothead??

Posted by: ivyleague | February 13, 2010 6:39 PM | Report abuse

Brenda,

Don't let the door hit you on the way out.

Prussy Biitch.

Posted by: mdpilot | February 13, 2010 6:40 PM | Report abuse

Thanks for the good years, Caron. We'll miss you, bud.

Posted by: SammyT1 | February 13, 2010 6:41 PM | Report abuse

"LOL this is no country for young men..."

Oops. Got my adaptations mixed up. There Will Be Blood was based on a book by Sinclair not McCarthy. My bad.

Point still stands, though.

Posted by: kalo_rama | February 13, 2010 6:42 PM | Report abuse

@dglelite

dude, as a Caps fan, i have to point out that comparing what the Caps have done vs what the Wizards have done is apples and oranges. Here's why:
since Brian Murray led the Caps to their first play-off appearnace in 82-83, they blew up the roster and started over just once, and that was in 03-04 when they dumped salary, obtained picks and prospects and got lucky winning the draft lottery and being able to draft Ovechkin.

The Wizards (by my count) have blown things up partially or almost compltetely 3 times in that time frame! And that doesn't count when they had nothing to trade away (Mark Alarie ad Steve Colter anyone?) or when John Williams and BErnard King were here.
They traded Googs for Webber. They traded Weber for Richmond. They purged the roster (Juwan) when Jordan got here (Haywood) and got rid of Rip Hamiltonfor Jerry Stackhouse (terrible!) Then signed Gil and traded for Jamison.
Did I mention that they got lucky and scored the #1 pick? Oh yeah, Kwame "I want my Mommy" Brown was the result.
I am a Bullets fan. Always have been. But our franchise is a joke. The only reason we aren't as bad as the Clippers is because they have won the draft lottery more times then we have, which has given them more time to screw it up.
I don't care anymore. I hope they win in the future. I'll keep following, but this is sad when so many people celebrate cap relief when 2 of our best players get traded for scrubs.
The Curse of Lez Boulez lives on!

Posted by: jmurray019 | February 13, 2010 6:43 PM | Report abuse

Wouldn't it be nice to have a 2009 NBA Draft do-over? Rubio, Flynn, DeRozen, Curry, Jennings . . . Any of those guys would have been a nice start on rebuilding. If the Wiz don't resign Mike Miller then we gave up one of the above players for Randy Foye. WOW!
===================================
How is Rubio doing this year anyway?? I mean he is lighting up the NBA...right??
What???.......He's where????....Nice building block you chose!!

Posted by: dkidwell61 | February 13, 2010 6:46 PM | Report abuse

This team is cursed and any player coming here should be prepared for that.
They have a rep for being cheap and it just goes down hill from there.
Elvin, Dandridge, Wes and the gang must just be shaking their heads (again) in dismay.
Thank heavens for Leonsis and the Caps.

Posted by: pd2710 | February 13, 2010 6:51 PM | Report abuse

I think Grunfield has been around a long time and shown that he knows basketball. I am willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. He has never nervously made bad decisions. Picking Young in the draft was a back-up plan in case Gilbert got a swollen head and decided to leave a few years back. Young just hasnt progressed enough. Maybe now he can, maybe. I dont get why we didnt draft DeJuan Blair, although I think it had something to do with guaranteed contracts already on the payroll. We will have one number one draft pick and I think two second round choices. If we can rid the payroll of Arenas we will have at least 20 million dollars in cap space for the 3 draft picks and money for free agents. Dont worry about players wanting to come to D.C. because all of them most want to win and get paid. Our complimentary players can help the truly good talent get what they want. a lot of teams will be shedding good players to get to the cap level. Jamison, Butler and Arenas all suffer from the same disease, putting up bad shots at inopportune times. Agreed, sometimes they make them and other times they just break up the rhythm.

Posted by: 1bmffwb | February 13, 2010 6:52 PM | Report abuse

main thing I'm concerned about is that Ernie and the Wiz mistreated Arenas after his incident (which by the way was misguided but totally innocent). Paul Pierce wrote in a blog that he felt they did wrong by Arenas. I'm concerned players will see that and they won't want to put themselves into a situation where they know they won't get any support if they do something wrong. We might have real trouble signing marquee free agents from now until Ernie retires.

Posted by: jistutz | February 13, 2010 6:57 PM | Report abuse

@ivyleague
that article that came out, 80% of nba players smoke pot is probably closer to true than not, so adding a pothead to the team that is probably already 80% weeded up means nothing.

Posted by: joerutgens72 | February 13, 2010 6:57 PM | Report abuse

This team is cursed and any player coming here should be prepared for that.
They have a rep for being cheap and it just goes down hill from there.
Elvin, Dandridge, Wes and the gang must just be shaking their heads (again) in dismay.
Thank heavens for Leonsis and the Caps.

Posted by: pd2710 | February 13, 2010 6:51 PM

The Wizards have the 8th highest payroll in the NBA and you say they are cheap?? What an idiot!!
At least come up with something that holds a little bit of credibility!!

Posted by: dkidwell61 | February 13, 2010 7:00 PM | Report abuse

IMO, I knew this team was heading in the wrong direction when Eddie Jordan was fired. After leading the team to several playoff appearances, his reward was a swift kick out the door when his injured team started the season poorly. Talk about short term memory. sheesh.
As for the trade, I think it sucks. Though Caron was having a subpar year, probably because of the new coach/system, this team needs this type of character player on it's team. I think Brendan has become a much more productive player so I don't agree with that move either.

Posted by: bajandave | February 13, 2010 7:02 PM | Report abuse

Question: Ernie, are you basing these trades and moves on the belief that Gilbert Arenas will be playing for this organization next year?

If not, why not? If so, why? If you haven't taken that issue into consideration, isn't that a major error? He's one of your 3 key players.

Now two.

Posted by: SteveMG | February 13, 2010 7:02 PM | Report abuse

I am shocked at all the negativity. This proposal is a huge upgrade over any of the other rumors. No one got that worked up over the Harrington proposal - but throw in a much better player who plays the right way and everyone freaks out? I get that this is for cap space, etc - but Howard is also very good and plays the way we want everyone to play. A year ago, everyone would have jumped at this trade. Howard is having a bad year - just like CB. But Howard's is due to nagging injuries. CB's is due to.... ? Moping that EJ is gone? Moping that Gil was back? I mean, as just a straight trade, Howard is much better than CB (and 50 times better than Harrington). Again, I know it's for the cap space, but also Howard is a good player. And all of a sudden, all these people who have never posted before are flipping out big time?? That doesn't make any sense.

Posted by: Urnesto | February 13, 2010 12:43 PM


Urnesto,


What difference does it make how many times a person has posted here before? I will have to disagree with you on several points:

1.Howard is NOT much better than Caron.

2. Howard is NOT 50 times better than Harrington.

3. Howard does NOT play the way WE want every player to play.

4. A year ago, NOT everyone would have jumped on this trade.

You "claim" that Caron is a moper. I will raise you one by facts that Howard has been an embarrasment to the Mavs. In Aug/2008 he practically bragged about his Marijuana activities. In Sept/2008 he disrespected the NATIONAL ANTHEM! If that didn't sit well in Dallas, how do you think that will sit in DC ?

The fact is Urnesto, Howard is on a serious 4 yr. downslide and if not for the upcoming cap space, he would never sniff a Wizard uniform. Oh, and as far as Caron's moping goes, Howard was "crying" when Devon Harris was dealt to the Nets, which lead many to believe accelerated his downfall. Howard has played sporadicaly over the past several years and the Mavs have only hindsight to wish they had traded him 4 yrs ago.

As for your post, I really don't think anyone should be concerned about your thoughts on first time bloggers, and you shouldn't either. People post what is on their minds. Some factual, some fictional, some informative, some affirmative.

Just dont be "The Guy" who offends people while backing it up with a bunch of CRAP!


Posted by: Raef | February 13, 2010 7:03 PM | Report abuse

main thing I'm concerned about is that Ernie and the Wiz mistreated Arenas after his incident (which by the way was misguided but totally innocent). Paul Pierce wrote in a blog that he felt they did wrong by Arenas. I'm concerned players will see that and they won't want to put themselves into a situation where they know they won't get any support if they do something wrong. We might have real trouble signing marquee free agents from now until Ernie retires.

Posted by: jistutz | February 13, 2010 6:57 PM
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Wow!! What will the Wizards do if they have trouble signing idiots who bring guns into NBA locker rooms and then make light of it on tv!!!
Ernie should have said..It was my gun!!! I mean after all, heaven forbid if one of these spoiled players actually has to stand up and take responsibility for their actions!!!
Give me a Division 2 roster if that is my option!! Screw these overpaid babies!!

Posted by: dkidwell61 | February 13, 2010 7:04 PM | Report abuse

FUNNY! Josh( I can smoke all the weed I want in the summer because I'm not at work)Howard. Rebuild rebuild, tear it down, tear it up, GUESS WHAT? What the HELL are they clearing sooo much space for. Who in the F wants to come here?

Posted by: Mikereese23 | February 13, 2010 7:05 PM | Report abuse

Who in the F wants to come here?

You offer enough money to somebody and they'll agree to go skiing at the North Pole.

Yeah, if it's close other factors will be decisive. But human beings - here, there, everywhere - want security for themselves and their families. And money provides it.

Posted by: SteveMG | February 13, 2010 7:09 PM | Report abuse

ivyleague-

I understand what you are saying...

And the Curse could continue to live on. But the fact of the matter was that in 03-04 when they made the decision to dismantle the team it a complete philosophy change for the team.

And every time the Wizards have tried to "start over" the overwhelming issue was as much the qualit of the their GM (Unseld) than anything else.

This last couple of years for the Wizards have been weird to say the least. Gilbert in his last year gets hurt...then we give him an insane contract...get hurt AGAIN and doesn't really play his first year into his huge contract...then we resign an aging jamison (a player I really like) to hopefully have a nice run with Gil and Caron, only to Gilbert do some seriously idiotic things this year culminating with the gun incident and Gilbert getting suspended for the entire year...That's THREE YEARS lost...

It is time to move on...but it is time to move on by getting younger and starting from scratch...And hopefully get lucky by drafting an Ovechkin-type player...

But they have to start somewhere...

Posted by: dglelite | February 13, 2010 7:10 PM | Report abuse

Blaming cheapness is insane. Blaming guns in the locker room is right. Immature people might blame milk for all the problems.
Didn't all the players start off drinking milk? When Arenas is making 20 million dollars is it the cheapness of the organization that caused him to jack up crazy shots, ignore the coach and threaten to shoot his teammate in the face. Im not hating on him its just a fact. Get past the history and see what we can do to have a team we all can be proud of. If we come out of this with some talented youth that we can afford to build with we will be better off. We have one number one and two number two picks and could have twenty million in cap space money without Arenas on the team.

Posted by: 1bmffwb | February 13, 2010 7:11 PM | Report abuse

Well, good thing is when Ted takes over he *should* have a clean slate to work with.

Thanks for trying Caron and Brendan, sorry it didn't work out.

Good luck in Dallas!

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | February 13, 2010 7:12 PM | Report abuse

Thank you Caron and Brendan for being professionals through all these years. A lot of guys would have complained out loud. DeShawn? Well, don't stick your finger in your eye when you do your face-wave.

Posted by: mstov | February 13, 2010 7:15 PM | Report abuse

You know, I love reading all of these posts in here from people who don't know anything about basketball.

Even better they don't know the Wizards.

Everyone: the Wiz are dumping salaries so when Ted Leonsis takes over he can start the franchise completely over like he did with the Caps. Ted is widely regarded as one of the best owners in sports...not just hockey.

The Wizards are in dire need of starting completely over. Who was traded for who makes no difference. The goal was/is to dump salaries. Basketball is like no other sport where you can add a few pieces and be in the Championship game in just a few years. Look at what the Celtics did, and the Lakers after that, and Miami before both.

It really doesn't take much these days to put a good team on the floor. The problem with the Wiz is that they weren't going anywhere. Several of us over the years have discussed this on this very blog. While I enjoyed watching them over the years it was SO time for this to be over.

It just wasn't working.

Hopefully Ted can do to the Wiz like he did with the Caps. Until then there's going to be a couple lean years here.

It was time. :(

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | February 13, 2010 7:22 PM | Report abuse

UNDER THE CAP.

The ONLY three little words this franchise needed to hear this Valentine's Day!

Posted by: mabkhar | February 13, 2010 7:24 PM | Report abuse

This is a mediocre trade both ways. Much ado about nothing.

Maybe Butler and Haywood give Dallas a little bump in the playoffs, but it's not like those guys get the Mavs past the Lakers in the West; and now the Mavs have alot of salary to deal with.

The Wiz get to clear some cap space but that's it. We moved our 2 best tradeable assets and got bupkiss in return in terms of young talent/draft picks.

Whoop-dee-doo.

Posted by: p1funk | February 13, 2010 7:32 PM | Report abuse

Well, at least Howard is a good defender and the Wiz got rid of DSteve. But, I can't believe that trading away 2 starters gets you only a bunch of bench players nearing 30.

I wish the Wizards would have at least gotten the Mavs' first rounder and when I look at what the team would not take in return for BTH from the Blazers(Blake/Outlaw or Webster), it makes this trade even more strange. Is getting rid of DSteve that important?

I still hope the Wiz do get Dallas' pick and grab one of the bangers that will be there to play PF. And I would rather not have all my hope in what they could rebuild in 2 or 3 years because with a new CBA no one knows what the new environment could be by then.

And for people who are in love with Cousins from Kentucky, look him up on NBAdraft.net They compare him to Blatche (hilarious) just take a look at the negatives and you'll know why.

Posted by: SportzWiz | February 13, 2010 7:32 PM | Report abuse

aj still needs to go, can't really say much about this move until the off-season comes and see how it all shakes out personnel wise it's certainly better to be an awful team with cap room than it is to be an awful squad without any

Posted by: bford1kb | February 13, 2010 7:37 PM | Report abuse

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Posted by: specialg7master | February 13, 2010 7:38 PM | Report abuse

I still don't know how I feel about this trade to Dallas, however, if it does go down what happens for the rest of this season. Does NY, AB and JM get heavy minutes (25 - 30 per game). Or do we see Josh Howard and Drew Gooden get those minutes. Does Erin demand that Flip play those guys that were already here. If not then why make the trade?

Posted by: 33dgriffin | February 13, 2010 7:46 AM | Report abuse


My question above still remains. I know the trade is just a salary dump. But going forward who gets the minutes?

Posted by: 33dgriffin | February 13, 2010 7:39 PM | Report abuse

Don't see how anybody can compare this to the Caps. When they blew it up they actually acquired draft picks and quality young players. The Wiz accomplished neither with this deal. Pitiful. Let's now trade Jamison for a ham sandwich and Miller and Foye for a bag of Doritos. Anybody that pays money to watch this garbage is a moron.

Posted by: bukaki23 | February 13, 2010 7:39 PM | Report abuse

this has to be the worst deal since the indians sold land to the white man for a $1.00. who is holding this idiot (Ernie) accountable? he should have caught the bus long ago with Dinny the ex-redskin gm. this has to go down as one of the worst trades in wizards history. the wizards will be just as bad as the new jersery now. we know sorry oberto will get most of the minutes in the post and get destroyed each game. i think the fans should unite and send a strong message, that we are tired of how the team is being ruined.

Posted by: taeyyenom | February 13, 2010 7:41 PM | Report abuse

this has to be the worst deal since the indians sold land to the white man for a $1.00. who is holding this idiot (Ernie) accountable? he should have caught the bus long ago with Dinny the ex-redskin gm. this has to go down as one of the worst trades in wizards history. the wizards will be just as bad as the new jersery now. we know sorry oberto will get most of the minutes in the post and get destroyed each game. i think the fans should unite and send a strong message, that we are tired of how the team is being ruined.

Posted by: taeyyenom | February 13, 2010 7:43 PM | Report abuse

But, I can't believe that trading away 2 starters gets you only a bunch of bench players nearing 30.

Posted by: bford1kb | February 13, 2010 7:37 PM

Wake up, fella!

The players on the this team ain't worth much and this trade is a direct reflection of that widely known fact. Nobody gives up a lot for a little, even Mark Cuban!

Posted by: 2020doc | February 13, 2010 7:47 PM | Report abuse

im going to miss tough juice. regardless of how hes been playing recently, he played his heart out for this team. hope things work out better for him dallas, which shouldnt be too hard to do

Posted by: bullets8890 | February 13, 2010 7:49 PM | Report abuse

i didn't write that

Posted by: bford1kb | February 13, 2010 7:50 PM | Report abuse

Coach Goree Johnson was just kidding when he told the gangly freshman that thick bifocals were banned from the Kimball High School basketball program.
But the kid with the funny glasses, which were equipped with a head strap when he was on the court, was nowhere to be found when practice began the next day. Quinton Ross hustled in about 40 minutes later with a new set of contact lenses.
In Johnson's mind, the story sums up Ross. He's a guy who is all substance, no style and will do whatever his coach wants. That's why the Dallas Mavericks brought Ross, a defensive-minded swingman, back to his hometown on a one-year contract.
"He's a coach's joy," Johnson said.
Ross doesn't argue with the description, although he insists he planned to get rid of the glasses even before the longtime Kimball coach cracked on him.
"They called me Urkel and all that," Ross said, smiling and shaking his head. "I had to get rid of them, man. I had to. It was just tough. Everybody used to make fun of me. That's tough as a kid."
Tough is a word often used to describe the 6-foot-6, 193-pound Ross, a late bloomer who starred at SMU.

Ross scrapped his way on to a loaded Kimball roster by playing tenacious defense, helping the Oak Cliff school win a Class 5A state title as a sophomore. A dozen years later, his career has come full circle. He hopes to carve out a niche as a defensive stopper on a talented Dallas Mavericks roster that expects to contend for a championship.
"If you wanted to play, you had to find a way to contribute on the court," Ross said of his early years at Kimball. "I always played hard. Defensively, I was always in the right spot trying to make plays. Hopefully, I can bring that same intensity here and get a little time on the floor."
Coach Rick Carlisle refers to Ross, who has worked hard to develop into an adequate 3-point shooter (37.5 percent for Memphis last season), as an opportunistic offensive player. But the primary reason the Mavs were interested in Ross is because he's a defensive pest who is comfortable as a complementary player.
Jason Terry compares Ross to Adrian Griffin, but with a better jump shot. That's a pretty high compliment, considering Griffin was a highly respected part-time starter on the Mavericks team that went to the 2006 Finals.
"He's a good role player who knows who he is as a player, doesn't try to do too much," Carlisle said. "He's a guy who is an effective defender at the 2 and 3 spot. In the West, you're going to be facing guys like [Manu] Ginobili and Kobe Bryant and [Tracy] McGrady. You've just got to have a lot of different guys to put out there. He'll be one of our guys that will play in those situations. We like him. He's a really solid role player

Posted by: specialg7master | February 13, 2010 7:50 PM | Report abuse

this has to be the worst deal since the indians sold land to the white man for a $1.00. who is holding this idiot (Ernie) accountable? he should have caught the bus long ago with Dinny the ex-redskin gm. this has to go down as one of the worst trades in wizards history. the wizards will be just as bad as the new jersery now. we know sorry oberto will get most of the minutes in the post and get destroyed each game. i think the fans should unite and send a strong message, that we are tired of how the team is being destroyed.

Posted by: taeyyenom | February 13, 2010 7:50 PM | Report abuse

Coach Goree Johnson was just kidding when he told the gangly freshman that thick bifocals were banned from the Kimball High School basketball program.
But the kid with the funny glasses, which were equipped with a head strap when he was on the court, was nowhere to be found when practice began the next day. Quinton Ross hustled in about 40 minutes later with a new set of contact lenses.
In Johnson's mind, the story sums up Ross. He's a guy who is all substance, no style and will do whatever his coach wants. That's why the Dallas Mavericks brought Ross, a defensive-minded swingman, back to his hometown on a one-year contract.
"He's a coach's joy," Johnson said.
Ross doesn't argue with the description, although he insists he planned to get rid of the glasses even before the longtime Kimball coach cracked on him.
"They called me Urkel and all that," Ross said, smiling and shaking his head. "I had to get rid of them, man. I had to. It was just tough. Everybody used to make fun of me. That's tough as a kid."
Tough is a word often used to describe the 6-foot-6, 193-pound Ross, a late bloomer who starred at SMU.

Ross scrapped his way on to a loaded Kimball roster by playing tenacious defense, helping the Oak Cliff school win a Class 5A state title as a sophomore. A dozen years later, his career has come full circle. He hopes to carve out a niche as a defensive stopper on a talented Dallas Mavericks roster that expects to contend for a championship.

Posted by: specialg7master | February 13, 2010 7:51 PM | Report abuse

This is fantastic news!!!! Great job Ernie!!! Now let's move Jamison and filler for more cap space and a 1st round pick. This is part of a master plan to put together a young, athletic, and exciting team and to go after Kevin Durant who will be a free agent in the Summer of 2011. This is genius work by Ernie! Once Ted comes, change the culture of losing and lets try to bring Kevin Durant home. He has said multiple times in interviews that he would love to come home and play in front of his family and friends. Ernie has been doing this for a long time and is one of the best basketball minds. He knows what he is doing. Just relax and lets see how this plays out. Kudos to Ernie! Keep the deals coming!!!!

Posted by: ElBigChroizo | February 13, 2010 7:53 PM | Report abuse

The deal would also provide nearly $2.6 million in luxury tax relief this season for the Wizards,

I wonder what the real motivation was behing Cheap Irene letting Ernie make this deal?

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | February 13, 2010 7:54 PM | Report abuse

" this has to go down as one of the worst trades in wizards history. "

Not even in the ball park with the worst we've done,ben wallace for ike austin was good right so was cwebb for air bacon and rip for stack, also money, how bout when we acquired that true point in mark price who promptly got hurt and retired, or rod hot dog puking strickland for rasheed, even when we traded googs for webber we gave away 3 1st rounders

Posted by: bford1kb | February 13, 2010 7:56 PM | Report abuse

This trade has essentially opened more doors for one important reason.The Gooden contract, which is expiring at the end of the season, is far more valuable than the Stevenson contract, which could not come off the books until after next season. Secondly, Gooden is a big man. For teams trying to make a "push" in the playoffs, he should be seen as a much more valuable commodity than Stevenson ever would have.Ernie's biggest obstacle was to unload that deal, and he did it.We still have several days to move Gooden if we choose. Gooden gives us value heading into the home stretch of the trade deadline. If another team expresses enough interest in Gooden to unload either a young big or a useful draft choice, Ernie will then pull the trigger. We actually have Gooden, Jamison, and Miller to peddle to other teams, and have more cap space than we did yesterday.Several people have posted that no top free agents will come here next year.And,they are right. Ernie also knows. Therefore, give him until Thursday to finish this cleanup, and don't be surprised if Gooden is dealt as well.

Posted by: Raef | February 13, 2010 7:59 PM | Report abuse

and lets be honest...Caron for Howard is a straight up trade and EVERYONE (AND I MEAN EVERYONE!!!) wanted Stevenson and haywood out of here for years!

Now everyone got their wish!


Posted by: dglelite

EXCUSE ME??? Please speak for YOURSELF only....I DID NOT want Haywood moved....

Posted by: Lisa_R | February 13, 2010 8:01 PM | Report abuse

I am glad Stevenson is gone. If Blatche and McGee get more minutes at Center this move could be ok.
Haywood and Butler are at the peak of their careers right now but we still were not playoff bound with them.
I may mistakenly call Josh Howard Juwan Howard for a little while but I will adjust.
Go Wiz!

Posted by: jeremybozz | February 13, 2010 8:09 PM | Report abuse

I don't think the motivation for this trade is to set the table for Leonsis to rebuild. Clearly, a large part of it is to shed salary and get below the luxury tax, so instead of paying the luxury tax, the Wizards will be paid. I don't know the exact numbers, but I've read this deal will save the Wizards current ownership millions this year.

I don't see anything wrong with that, by the way. The team was going nowhere this year; why pay the luxury tax for what has been happening on and off the court? The Pollins are selling, and naturally they want to maximize their return. Shedding big contracts also makes the team easier to sell.

Let's wait until Feb. 19th to judge what sort of team the Wizards can put on the floor for the remainder of this season.

Posted by: PostSubscriber | February 13, 2010 8:10 PM | Report abuse

This was all about the $$$$$.... I hope Grunfeld & whomever owns the Wizards next have fun figuring out how to waste the money saved.... Hope it was worth it...

Clearly the rest of this season does not matter... The FANS will miss Haywood, Butler & Stevenson... Hope the Wizards don't miss the fans... b/c it will get a whole lot queiter in the Verizon Ctr... So... who will the starting 5 consist of? B/c you KNOW McGee STILL won't get to play...

Posted by: 2StepsAway | February 13, 2010 8:18 PM | Report abuse

Defense-defense-defense-Defense-defense-defense! I posted the bio's of the 2 throw in's of the wizards deal. The 2 guys along with Howard are defensive minded and coachable. I would love to see Ross turn into a diamond in the rough. I think Howard and Miller will play great together. I do believe that the team has gotten faster and I wouldn't be shocked to hear that TJ ford is traded to the wizards for Gooden or Oberto.

Posted by: specialg7master | February 13, 2010 8:25 PM | Report abuse

I wish the Wizards would have at least gotten the Mavs' first rounder and when I look at what the team would not take in return for BTH from the Blazers(Blake/Outlaw or Webster), it makes this trade even more strange. Is getting rid of DSteve that important?

I still hope the Wiz do get Dallas' pick and grab one of the bangers that will be there to play PF.
Posted by: SportzWiz | February 13, 2010 7:32 PM

Umm... The Mavs don't have a #1 pick. the Nets have it as part of the Devin Harris /J. Kidd trade. And yes, getting rid of Stevenson was paramount in any trade discussions. The fact simply, is that we have to shed any bad contracts now before new ownership takes over. Ernie pulled one on Cuban, the Mavs still don't have what it takes to compete with the Lakers , let alone the Nuggets. Cuban gets to "sell" his fans on the fact that they are better, but they are really old and slow. Haywood and Butler won't change the fact that the Mavs are going nowhere.

Posted by: Raef | February 13, 2010 8:28 PM | Report abuse

Watching the NBA AllStar festivities and the trade with Dallas was announced. Funny how ALL of the analysts like the trade for Dallas. Thinks this trade makes Dallas much better than it was before the break. They believe that the addition of Butler, Haywood and yes Stevenson, makes Dallas a much tougher team. It's funny how one persons junk(stevenson according to most posts) is another person treasure. They believe the three will bring the toughness that Dallas lacks. And what did "WE" get from this blockbuster trade to make "US" better??? I sure don't what it is!

Posted by: ivyleague | February 13, 2010 8:33 PM | Report abuse

Commit to the rebuild or go home. More moves needed.

Posted by: tgerbracht | February 13, 2010 8:38 PM | Report abuse

By the way, I AM going to miss all three guys. Especially Butler and Haywoood. Haywood has played his arse off this season and yes, Butler has had some down moments but most players go through that. Loved him when they brought him here and will still be pulling for both of them on their new team. It is really hard for me to retain my Wizards allegiance when all we get is smoke and mirrors. Every trade people say Ernie knows what he is doing and has a trick up his sleeve, his trick must be faulty because I have not seen it work yet.

Posted by: ivyleague | February 13, 2010 8:40 PM | Report abuse

we werent goin to resign haywood next yr, butlers overpaid and not helping us win, and WE GET RID OF STEVENSON!!!We should be celebrating people!

Posted by: bbachrac

This is it in a nutshell. Did the Mavs get the better end of the deal in the short term? Sure. CB is better than Howard, period. And, Haywood gives them size to contend with the Lakers and the Nuggets. But, the Wiz also got some players in return with the key phrase being that Ross is the only player signed past this season. How else do you propose we blow up the roster? You think teams were going to give us prospects and draft picks and cap space? Your kidding right? Next, we ship AJ to Cleveland for Hickson. The rebuild is incomplete if AJ is still on the roster at the end of the season. That's a lot of money tied up in a undersized finesse power forward for the next two years.

Posted by: rphilli721 | February 13, 2010 8:41 PM | Report abuse

Who goes next?

Good luck to tough juice and Haywood. The current team is filled with one class act and a bunch of knuckle heads now.

Posted by: tgerbracht | February 13, 2010 9:32 PM | Report abuse

ERNIE MUST GO PERIOD!!!!!!!!

Everybody is calling him a basketball guru this and genius that, but what has he done since being here? He's OVERSTOCKED the team with guards & "SMALL" forwards with a clear disregard for help in the post. Overpaid a guard from G.S. not once but TWICE!! Overpaid a undersized P.F. that WON'T play Defense. Make a hell of a steal in gettin CB for KB now its CB for PCP?? And got rid of the best coach D.C. has seen in years.
We should be calling for Ernie's head like we were calling for Vinny's but NO ONE is holding him accountable for the state of this SAD franchise that was just 3yrs. ago slugging it out with Cleveland for the next up & coming teams in the east.


.....Sorry Flip, I wish you woulda asked me before you wasted this trip to D.C. -GOOD LUCK!

Posted by: DrayDay | February 13, 2010 9:47 PM | Report abuse

This is a terrible trade. I am happy for Butler, but the Wiz got robbed. This is not fair value. How do you trade two starters and not get a first round draft pick? What good is a salary dump if you are left with a CBA team? Why would any free agent interested in winning want to come here now? Ernie panicked. Booooo.

Posted by: crunch75 | February 13, 2010 9:52 PM | Report abuse

More bad decisions by Ernie...F U Ernie.

Posted by: Gooddad | February 13, 2010 10:13 PM | Report abuse

During his time in DC, Brendan Haywood has been the most dissed player on the Wizards by the some of the folks on this blog. He has been referred to as "Brenda" or his full name BTH in mocking him. All everyone did was complain about what he wasn't and how 20 something centers are better than him. Now that this whipping boy has been traded, everyone is pining for him as if he was Patrick freakin Ewing. No one in their right mind was going to give you a # 1 for him or Butler. It wasn't too long ago that everyone wanted these guys to go and now that it has happened, everyone is crying that this is the worst trade in Wizards history. If Haywood was such a dog, why was everyone expecting so much in return? Stop it. Just stop it!

Posted by: dcwizard | February 13, 2010 10:59 PM | Report abuse

Ideally this trade (and others that may follow) would open the door to see more of what the youngsters have (or don't have). But I don't think that will happen. With the ownership situation in flux, Flip will probably be inclined to try to keep his job, which means still trying to win. Playing the youngsters is better for the franchise in the long run, but playing the vets probably gives them a marginally better chance to win in the short run.

Sorry to see Tough Juice go, and a little sorry to see Haywood go too. Glad both have a chance to go to the playoffs though. Ironically, in the process of dumping salary, they did get one of the things the fans had been asking for forever.....a low-post scorer. Gooden is an average to below-average player at this point, but he can score on the low box.

Posted by: ts35 | February 14, 2010 5:53 AM | Report abuse

"Someone needs to buy this franchise (New Orleans) and put us out of our misery."
Posted by: original_mark

Ummm, yeah. They kinda already have a team.

Posted by: ts35 | February 14, 2010 5:57 AM | Report abuse

Raef-- I'm sorry but your post makes no sense to me. But to address it: I guess it doesn't make much difference how often someone posts, but yes it is weird how many first time posters suddenly appeared on such a weird topic. I believe it's weird. That's all.

Second, I'm all for give and take, but there's not a lot of doubt here that EVERYONE who have jumped on that trade a year ago. I mean, I actually agree wholeheartedly with Kalo on this. (BTW, it's the first time in forever which Kalo(a) makes sense, (b) doesn't attack others - and yet everyone jumps on him. Again, it's weird.) But here, Butler = Josh Howard; Haywood = Gooden; Stevenson = Ross/Singleton, and our side of it is millions of dollars cheaper. And yes, call me in a month, if you still don't think Josh Howard whips Al Harrington. Third, I will stand toe to toe any day to defend what Josh Howard did - and real lame to bring it up too. He stated a fact and a commonly held perception. He committed no crimes. He is not a bad person. And to even suggest something to the effect of - that stuff didn't play in Dallas, how would it play in DC??.............. Uh, have you been to DC? DC is 20 times more liberal than Texas. I think the people of DC will be fine with Josh Howard's right to free speech. I mean, what does that even mean??? How would they deal with it in DC??? Uh, they'll deal with it like we deal with everything - liberally. Texas elects George W. Bush; we elect Marion Barry. We're a little looser up here. And it's an absolute joke to say Butler is better than Howard. Here's the scorecard: Scoring = even; Defense = Howard; Passing = Howard; bigtime success as a glue guy = Howard. Seriously. Kal, gotta give you props on this - I totally agree. Raef LaFrentz - it seems like you brought up a 4 day old post just to be cranky - not cool.

Posted by: Urnesto | February 14, 2010 2:13 PM | Report abuse

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