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Wizards agree to trade Antawn Jamison to Cavs [Update]

8:19: As the Washington Wizards went onto the court to face the Minnesota Timberwolves on Wednesday, Antawn Jamison had already ditched his uniform for a cream-colored sweater and was headed to his car, carrying a duffle bag.

The Wizards agreed in principle to a three-team trade that sent Jamison to the Cleveland Cavaliers, according to multiple sources. The Wizards will receive Zydrunas Ilguaskas and a first-round pick from Cleveland, while also receiving Al Thornton and Brian Skinner from the Los Angeles Clippers. The Clippers will get Drew Gooden from the Wizards and sent Sebastian Telfair to the Cavaliers.

Jamison's arrival in Washington in the summer of 2004 signaled a new era for the Wizards. His 5 ½-year run included four playoff appearances and two all-star selections.

He was the last remaining player to win a playoff series with the organization, with Brendan Haywood shipped to Dallas -- along with Caron Butler and DeShawn Stevenson on Saturday -- and Gilbert Arenas serving a season-ending suspension for bringing guns into the locker room in a dispute with teammate Javaris Crittenton last December.
As Jamison left Verizon Center, he was asked to give a message to the fans. "I love them more than they love me," Jamison said, then hopped into his car, where Gooden was a passenger.

Gooden arrived in Washington in the seven-player trade with Dallas, which also added Josh Howard, Quinton Ross and James Singleton. But Gooden made it known before his arrival that he had no interest in playing for the Wizards. He was seeking a buyout, but the Wizards used him as the piece that was needed to seal the deal with Cleveland.
The trade also closed the chapter on the "Big Three" era in Washington, with a team built around three players who had been all-stars in Arenas, Butler and Jamison.

Jamison, 33, had a picture of the Larry O'Brien championship trophy hanging in his locker room stall all season and plans on retiring when his contract ends in two years. He said the only thing that he is playing for is a championship, and that was not going to happen this season in Washington, where the Wizards underachieved and sputtered to a 17-33 start to the season.

The Wizards had become more open to moving Jamison after they completed the trade with Dallas, which led to a $2.5 million savings this season and cut more than $15-million in salary next season.

7:15: In the three-team swap, the Wizards will get Ilgauskas, Al Thornton, Brian Skinner and a first round draft pick from the Cavaliers. The Clippers get Drew Gooden. And the Cavaliers get Jamison and Sebastion Telfair.

Original post: The Washington Wizards are closing in on a three-team trade that would send Antawn Jamison to Cleveland and Drew Gooden to an undisclosed Western Conference team, according to a person with knowledge of the discussions. The pieces that are being exchanged are unknown, but the Wizards are believed to be receiving Zydrunas Ilgauskas and a first-round pick. More to come.

By Alexa Steele  |  February 17, 2010; 6:40 PM ET
 
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Comments

I sure am hoping that pick is coming from the west coast team. Antawn for what is essentially a second rounder hurts... even with the cap space.

Posted by: fundermental | February 17, 2010 6:46 PM | Report abuse

But if this is the case, no one can say that the Wiz did not do right by AJ. They got absolutely nothing for him and handed a possible championship to their biggest rival in the process.

Posted by: fundermental | February 17, 2010 6:48 PM | Report abuse

Cavs get Jamison and Telfair, Clippers get Drew Gooden and Wash gets Illgauskas, Al Thornton and Brian Skinner and Cavs 1st round pick.

http://twitter.com/WojYahooNBA

Posted by: bluejersey | February 17, 2010 6:52 PM | Report abuse

this is the best they can do . when ted lenosis gets this team he better fire Grunfield who flat out sucks. Wasnt able to put the right pieces around the big three now struggling know.

Posted by: cjdwolfpack | February 17, 2010 6:55 PM | Report abuse

Why on earth would the Clippers trade Al Thornton for Drew Gooden? Makes no sense.

Posted by: Wittan | February 17, 2010 6:56 PM | Report abuse

I guess that could be worse... but really? Now the Wizards have three PGs with gun problems? Maybe they are hoping not to have to void Gil's contract if he and Telfair shoot it out.

Posted by: fundermental | February 17, 2010 6:57 PM | Report abuse

Very sad but they need to do this. I don't think I can bear to see Jamison in a Cavs jersey. UGH. He's a true professional. I'm happy he gets a chance to play on a team that has a chance to win the championship. Now our team is made up of a bunch of crappy players. Oh well, time to clean house... this is necessary to rebuild. I don't know what to expect tonight. Will be interesting.

Posted by: rachel216 | February 17, 2010 6:58 PM | Report abuse

Getting Al Thornton is a border line coup! Great move.

Posted by: elfreako | February 17, 2010 7:03 PM | Report abuse

I'm DONE with Ernie and his idiotic moves!!!!

Posted by: Lisa_R | February 17, 2010 7:05 PM | Report abuse

Getting Al Thornton is a coup i that is the deal. Great move.

Posted by: ThePat | February 17, 2010 7:07 PM | Report abuse

If this does happen, it is a great for the Wiz and their future...

I know they didn't get much in return right away, but if they are able to shed more dollars and will have basically no guaranteed contracts going into next season (with the exception of Arenas and who knows what will happen there) then this team will ripe to make some serious runs to instantly revamp this team during the richest free agent market ever for the NBA.

To be able to add to that a top 5 player in the draft (most likely) and another first round to simply another win to start doing what needs to be done with the team.

Overall, very nice job.

Posted by: dglelite | February 17, 2010 7:07 PM | Report abuse

this is great news. no way this team would have been good if we kept Twan. let him go to a good team with a chance to win, while at the same time giving us a chance to clear up major cap space.

what i would have LOVED to see, though Ferry would have to be the dumbest guy on earth to do so, would have been Shaq and Zydrunas for Gilbert, Twan, and Mike Miller. the salaries work out, it would have been heaven for this franchise.

Posted by: kman2 | February 17, 2010 7:07 PM | Report abuse

Jamison is a bomb waiting to explode. The Wizards are fortunate to find any team willing to risk their team chemistry on him. Of course damaged goods are discounted in the trading marketplace.

Posted by: bobinthewest | February 17, 2010 7:07 PM | Report abuse

Thank you Mr. Dunleavy!

Posted by: elfreako | February 17, 2010 7:10 PM | Report abuse

sweet

Posted by: bford1kb | February 17, 2010 7:10 PM | Report abuse

I'm DONE with Ernie and his idiotic moves!!!!

Posted by: Lisa_R

I'm upset too because I love Jamison but in the long run, this was necessary. He's still a great offensive player but he's 33 (?) and can't play defense. Well no one can. I loved Caron too and Haywood has been good for us the last few years but it's already been made clear that this team would've never won anything with the core of Butler, Jamison, and Arenas. It is time to start from ground zero and build it up again.

Posted by: rachel216 | February 17, 2010 7:11 PM | Report abuse

to those above who dislike the Wiz dealing with Cleveland: this is a good thing. cleveland is not our rivals. they kicked our rear end every time. lebron hated DeShawn, and DS isn't even here anymore. it's over. we should be happy cleveland is gone. if there's one thing we know about jamison, it's that he can make shots all game, but gets cold feet when it matters in the end. that's what cleveland needs: a guy that can make jumpshots at critical times when lebron is double-teamed. no worries...this doesn't improve cleveland that much.

ALSO, remember that SHAQ becomes a full time player now. we know he's a fata$$ so cleveland has no chance to win the championship with a Center that plays 15 minutes of productive ball per game.

Posted by: kman2 | February 17, 2010 7:13 PM | Report abuse

wow horrible start..

Posted by: rachel216 | February 17, 2010 7:15 PM | Report abuse

Will the Sea Dogs win another game this year?

And think of all the money Irene Pollin saved; that is all she cares about.

Posted by: smc635 | February 17, 2010 7:17 PM | Report abuse

they apparently traded jamison (to cle) and gooden(to the clippers hahaha).

Posted by: joerutgens72 | February 17, 2010 7:18 PM | Report abuse

Landing Al Thornton ain't too shabby...I know the Wizards were hoping he'd slide to them in the draft back in 07!

Happy for Jamison, Good Luck Antawn. I'll be rooting of the Cavs since the Zards obviously won't be in the post season.

Maybe we'll get a Mavs v Cavs final..LOL..

Posted by: bozomoeman | February 17, 2010 7:18 PM | Report abuse

the worst part about the trade is that the wiz are gonna buy big z out and he will head back to cleveland thats the deal so the wiz gets to hold Z for 30 days before he heads back home.The wizs are idiots...but we love u guys for giving us AJ..LOSERS

Posted by: MrNoOne | February 17, 2010 7:18 PM | Report abuse

Ilgauskas is worthless these days. They better get more than one first round pick with him in return for Jamison, a guy who averages 22 pts and 8 rebounds.

I have Ilgauskas on my fantasy team -- he is in serious decline, statistically speaking.

I suspect the Polin family is giving Ernie his marching orders to kill all the luxury tax this year, with no consideration for what it does to the team's future.

Posted by: Independent11 | February 17, 2010 7:19 PM | Report abuse

Well, I always wanted to watch a CBA team in action fulltime.

Now I have the chance.

I kind of like Thornton. The rest is garbage. The pick will be very very late so I'm not sure that is worth much.

I think this means Arenas is gone too, for what's that worth.

Posted by: SteveMG | February 17, 2010 7:20 PM | Report abuse

his is the best they can do . when ted lenosis gets this team he better fire Grunfield who flat out sucks. Wasnt able to put the right pieces around the big three now struggling know.

Posted by: cjdwolfpack | February 17, 2010 6:55 PM

I am one of Ernie's biggest critics and I have to say that he did a great job on the Jamison deal. To get a 1st rd pick, the cap room we get from Big Z and a possible buyout and come away with Thornton as well is a good job. Bravo Ernie Bravo.

Posted by: anacostia85 | February 17, 2010 7:21 PM | Report abuse

That Cleveland first will probably be the last or next-to-last pick in a weak draft.

Not sure it's worth anything.

Posted by: SteveMG | February 17, 2010 7:22 PM | Report abuse

Why on earth would the Clippers do that deal?? I'll take Al Thornton in a heartbeat. Sweet!

Posted by: tigerquoll | February 17, 2010 7:23 PM | Report abuse

i don't get why clippers traded thorton for gooden... why'd they do that?

we now have a bunch of nobodys on this team. how fun.

Posted by: rachel216 | February 17, 2010 7:24 PM | Report abuse

I blasted them for the Dallas trade, but this was an excellent and necessary one.

It boggles the mind that we got more for a 33 year old forward who doesn't play defense and has 2 more years on a bad contract - than for the combo of a quality starting center and a 30 year old 2 time all-star.

But hey, it is what it is, as they say.

Posted by: Giveussomehope | February 17, 2010 7:25 PM | Report abuse

Bon voyage, Antawn. I'll miss all those championships you brought to Washington. We'll never forget your hustle and defense, and the leadership you demonstrated as you carried the Wizards to the lottery the last two years.

Posted by: bryc3 | February 17, 2010 7:26 PM | Report abuse

decent trade followed by the correct starting line up

giving young, mcgee, blache, foye the starts so they can prove themselves the rest of the year is exactly what we need to do

sad that we gonna suck for a bit/while, but at least now we can start rebuilding towards a new future, which has got to be better than what we've seen recently

also, id rather see young potential who i expect to lose surprise me, than the vets we had last week continue to disappoint me

Posted by: hb_321 | February 17, 2010 7:26 PM | Report abuse

GREAT TRADE FOR THE WIZARDS!

I would have trade Jamison straight up for Thornton. Nice to get a first rd out of it.

I'm impressed EG....

Posted by: crisco00786 | February 17, 2010 7:27 PM | Report abuse

Well, Thornton is actually a positive surprise. He's got plenty of upside potential, and has an impressive record in the only two and a half years he's played.

That's better than the original rumor of Jamison for Ilgauskas, Moon, and a first rounder.

I wonder if they floated that bad deal around earlier so fans would be pleasantly surprised with this. :) Either way, he was definitely going, so at least they got something of value in return, though certainly not equivalent in value.

Posted by: Independent11 | February 17, 2010 7:27 PM | Report abuse

than for the combo of a quality starting center a

You think Ilgauskas can still play? Looks to me that he'll just play out the year and then be gone next year.

You're not building a team around him or that includes him at this stage of his career.

Posted by: SteveMG | February 17, 2010 7:27 PM | Report abuse

rachel216,
Because Gooden was crying like a baby for having to play for the Wixards -- he demanded a buyout.

Posted by: Independent11 | February 17, 2010 7:28 PM | Report abuse

Why would anyone be hating on this deal? Thornton may not be an all-star, but he is a nice building block and they didn't take on any excess salary. I love Jamison and all, but there was no point in keeping the old guy around when the rest of the team was going to be a bunch of young pups.

Foye, Thornton, McGee, Young...not a bad young crew, but a lot more needs to be done...and yes, I purposely did not include Blatche on that list.

Posted by: b_standig | February 17, 2010 7:29 PM | Report abuse

rachel216,
Disregard my last comment. I thought you were asking why the Wiz wanted that trade.

Posted by: Independent11 | February 17, 2010 7:30 PM | Report abuse

Independent11: I know he was crying like a baby.. I mean this would've been like his 8th team in 8 years? I guess he has a hard time making friends. Haha. But why would he wanna go to LA CLippers?

Posted by: rachel216 | February 17, 2010 7:31 PM | Report abuse

For all of you supposed basketball fans on here you guys have no knowledge. First thing the wizrards are making this move to clear all cap space, they are not making these decisions to win. Second Al Thorton aint bad. I would make this trade any day.

Posted by: skinslover79 | February 17, 2010 7:33 PM | Report abuse

I think the critics of this trade have their expectations too high. There are far more sellers than buyers this time of year Jamison is 33 with a huge contract; only a very small number of title contenders would want him. Clearly Grunfeld has been told to get what he can but to dump Jamison at all costs. He got what he could given his very limited options. Blame him for other stuff, but not this.

Posted by: jweber1 | February 17, 2010 7:34 PM | Report abuse

Just found this: "The Clippers will buy out Gooden, a league source said."

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=aw-jamisontrade021710&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

Posted by: Independent11 | February 17, 2010 7:35 PM | Report abuse

For those gunning for Ernie's head, your either morons or teenager's who don't remember what it was like before him.

This move had to be done. This is clearing of the house. Let's wait and see what Ted will do.

Posted by: sire1 | February 17, 2010 7:35 PM | Report abuse

jweber1,
I agree. I suspect the Polin estate, knowing they aren't going to be owners next year, don't want to pay any luxury tax this year, and frankly could care less about the future of the team.

I suspect Ernie has orders to dump everything of value to get below the luxury tax at any cost to the team's future, and let Ted Leonsis figure it all out later on.

That's why I'm glad they at least got Al Thorton and a first rounder. Not bad, could have been much worse...

Posted by: Independent11 | February 17, 2010 7:38 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Independent11 | February 17, 2010 7:35 PM |

LOL!!!

Posted by: rachel216 | February 17, 2010 7:38 PM | Report abuse

You unload two huge salary years of AJ when he is 34 and 35--for a freed-up $28.4 million. That was a necessity, and it would have been done for no return at all. You get Al Thorton for two years and you get a #!? Too good to be true.

The #1 might not be that much. They seldom are at that spot. So you could have fun and take a guy like Greivis Vasquez to keep things interesting. Gilbert and Carlos Boozer are a couple of guys I can think of who would have been available in years past at the very end of the first round.

Hope it happens, as this is step #2 on the road back for the Wiz. Unloading Gil is step #3.

Posted by: EdDC | February 17, 2010 7:40 PM | Report abuse

Ok I have to admit I hated the first trade with a passion. Like I really hated Grunfeld for making that stupid Mavericks trade, but this trade is a job well done. Drew Gooden was going to work out a buyout to leave the team so we got something out of him, before he could leave and getting a late 1st round pick along with a quality center from Cleveland is solid. The real steal here is Al Thornton. With this trade i'm going to watch a couple games to see if we can get back in the playoff picture. Either way this was a good trade, but I still want Grunfeield fired though.

Posted by: ATLredskin | February 17, 2010 7:41 PM | Report abuse

Is this Mike Jame's last year on the contract, or does he have another one left?

Cause I know the Wiz were trying desperately to move him in this trade.

Posted by: Independent11 | February 17, 2010 7:43 PM | Report abuse

I've got to believe, given the magnitude of these deals, that Leonsis is in on it. He will be the next owner, and the only question is the price and conditions. Ernie is on the phone and in the huddles, but Ted is whispering in his ear.

Posted by: zinger1 | February 17, 2010 7:44 PM | Report abuse

getting a late 1st round pick along with a quality center from Cleveland is solid.

Sorry, Ilgausksas cannot play anymore.

He's a contract acquisition and a body to get through the year.

He'll be gone by the end of the season.

To be sure, this is about dumping contracts but you'd like to pick up a decent body along the way.

Thornton is one of them. Howard is another. Although they play the same positions.

This season is being written off. They'll be lucky to win 5 more games.

Posted by: SteveMG | February 17, 2010 7:45 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Independent11 | February 17, 2010 7:46 PM | Report abuse

Great! now Grunfeld can draft the next Pecherov.

Posted by: horace1 | February 17, 2010 7:47 PM | Report abuse

Flip pulls Nick after 5 minutes. What's up with that.

Posted by: 33dgriffin | February 17, 2010 7:48 PM | Report abuse

Re: the draft rights to Emil Preldzic

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Emir-Preldzic-1106/

Posted by: Independent11 | February 17, 2010 7:49 PM | Report abuse

Emir Preldzic: Link.

Averaging 7 points in the Euroleague Basketball.

What the heck. He's 21 and a prospect. Can't hurt.

Posted by: SteveMG | February 17, 2010 7:49 PM | Report abuse

So Gooden was traded from one lousy team to another.

Meanwhile, half of Wizards players are ex-Clippers. We are really becoming Clippers of the East!

Posted by: sagaliba | February 17, 2010 8:00 PM | Report abuse

Hilarious that Gooden didn't want to report to the Wizards so he ends up w/ the Clippers. The only thing worse would've been if he ended up in New Jersey. Team # 9 for that stiff...

Posted by: randysbailin | February 17, 2010 8:04 PM | Report abuse

I like Al Thornton but I still hope Ernie isn't around to make next year's draft picks.

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | February 17, 2010 8:06 PM | Report abuse

I'm watching the game now (as most of us are), and I'd rather be watching these players than the old team we had. Sure, Al Jefferson is faking McGee out of his shoes, but who cares? Let's see what the young fellows can do.

Posted by: jweber1 | February 17, 2010 8:07 PM | Report abuse

Not watching the game but checked the stats and AB has 20 and 10 who needs AJ?

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | February 17, 2010 8:10 PM | Report abuse

I would much rather get Miami's 1st rounder next year. You can just hand the finals to Cleveland. F those dudes, I want to see Lebron go to the knicks and fail to win there too, he gets away with too many bs calls and non calls.

The guys on the court right now aren't looking as bad as I thought. Blatche is a beast tonight.

Posted by: AnthonyMix | February 17, 2010 8:11 PM | Report abuse

Like going through your drawer and tossing the old socks.

One more to go, eh?

What to do with Gil, what to do.

Posted by: tslats | February 17, 2010 8:15 PM | Report abuse

i was hoping the Bobcats would sign Jamison in the offseason. he's a multi-skilled player who can score. he's unselfish and a great teammate. nothing but class.

great trade for both teams.

CJ
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Posted by: jsjonesjsj | February 17, 2010 8:15 PM | Report abuse

the reason that the clippers are willing to move thornton is telfair has a player option for next year which i am sure he is going to take and gooden is willing to take a buyout so that helps them out this year. if you think abe was cheap meet donald sterling

Posted by: billy12 | February 17, 2010 8:16 PM | Report abuse

hey kal remember when i said we could get al thornton from that clips???????? this is crazy

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | February 17, 2010 8:16 PM | Report abuse

i hope Ernie DOES NOT buy out Zydrunas' contract. last thing we need is for the Cavs to get Jamison for free. make Illgauskas sit his rear end on the bench if he's not willing to play for us. none of this drew gooden buyout crap.

Posted by: kman2 | February 17, 2010 8:17 PM | Report abuse

Ilgauskas will not play for the Wizards, I am sure part of the deal is for the Wizards ro buy him ouyt, so Cavs can re-sign him.

Posted by: sagaliba | February 17, 2010 8:18 PM | Report abuse

al thornton must've dropped a deuce in elgin baylor's shoe while pistol whipping mike dunleavy and stealing b-dizzle's rims.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | February 17, 2010 8:20 PM | Report abuse

As Jamison left the Verizon Center, he was asked to give a message to the fans. "I love them more than they love me," Jamison said.

that right there is all i needed to hear. class act, top to bottom. i'm glad he got to go to a good team, and whole-heartedly hope he wins a championship (even if it means LeDoushe gets one too)

Posted by: kman2 | February 17, 2010 8:21 PM | Report abuse

Well, the next question (after Arenas) is whether Flip Saunders is the coach you want to have rebuilding a franchise.

If Leonsis does indeed take over (as seems clear), I can't see how Saunders stays.

Posted by: SteveMG | February 17, 2010 8:22 PM | Report abuse

Al Thornton? Hmmm, not bad. Might be a keeper, but we'll see.

Drew Gooden: You are the bama of the week... week... week.

Posted by: jcbcmb68 | February 17, 2010 8:23 PM | Report abuse

EG might have a job next year

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | February 17, 2010 8:25 PM | Report abuse

The freshness of noveau is always exciting and intriging. How to you handle something new. You kinda feel it out and test everything. You check it all out.

Then as you get used to it, you kinda gravitate to what suits your fancy.

So at this point tonight, we are kinda seeing the whole anchalada.

I'm kinda liking what I see. But let's see if there is any substance in all of this.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | February 17, 2010 8:28 PM | Report abuse

I think this looks good for the Wizards, It's all future moves. Wizards trade they're good players for cap room and a collection of knuckle heads with expiring contracts. Let's see what the Wiz do in the off season. And don't forget the two first round picks. I'm thinking positive!

Posted by: bestowens | February 17, 2010 8:29 PM | Report abuse

EG might have a job next year

He might be the last man standing.

Everyone else - including Saunders - will be gone.

Posted by: SteveMG | February 17, 2010 8:29 PM | Report abuse

Al Thornton > JJ Hickson IMO. Good move if those are the standards that we are judging by...

Posted by: cedric_lockhart | February 17, 2010 8:30 PM | Report abuse

Nice job. Thornton is young, cheap, with some potential, and two more years after this one at a reasonable price. Maybe the best part of his arrival is that, for the first time since he's been here, Blatche may actually have to fight for playing time. Maybe some in-house competition will light a fire under him.

"Hilarious that Gooden didn't want to report to the Wizards so he ends up w/ the Clippers."

Karma is a b!tch.

Posted by: kalo_rama | February 17, 2010 8:31 PM | Report abuse

Wow getting Al Thornton is pretty dang good. The rest of the package is forgettable.

Nice trade in getting something for AJ. I'm not sure what the Clippers are thinking trading Thornton for nothing.

Posted by: calhokie | February 17, 2010 8:32 PM | Report abuse

Jamison gone. Damn. Now, only the clowns remain.

Posted by: frankjomama | February 17, 2010 8:33 PM | Report abuse

antawn NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO. i will always love you. i hope you win it with the cavs this year.

Posted by: adidamas | February 17, 2010 8:34 PM | Report abuse

I would prefer to see Clev get beat by Orlando again and then it would be great if Shaq and LaBron leave while AJ gets stuck there on another losing team.

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | February 17, 2010 8:34 PM | Report abuse

Trade the Wizards to South Carolina, for an undisclosed first round draft choice...

Posted by: demtse | February 17, 2010 8:35 PM | Report abuse

Although, in all likelihood, the Clippers will probably buy him out.

Posted by: kalo_rama | February 17, 2010 8:35 PM | Report abuse

When you consider how cheap Al Thornton is -- he is a tremendous steal for the Wizards.

Look what he's making the next three years:
This year: $1,900,200
Next year: $2,814,196
Two years from now: $3,914,546

The guy's only been in the league two years.
Last year he averaged:
16.8 ppg, 5.2 rpg, 1.5 apg

Again, last year was his second year in the league. Consider other players' numbers in their second years.

His upside is HUGE!

Posted by: Independent11 | February 17, 2010 8:37 PM | Report abuse

Blatche may actually have to fight for playing time. Maybe some in-house competition will light a fire under him.

Posted by: kalo_rama | February 17, 2010 8:31 PM | Report abuse

Maybe handing Blatche the staring spot is enough to get him to play because when AJ was playing 40 mins a game AB knew he wasn't going to play.

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | February 17, 2010 8:37 PM | Report abuse

wow.. so far not as bad as I thought it would be. I thought it was gonna be a diaster. Yes, I know Minnesota sucks but still..

Posted by: rachel216 | February 17, 2010 8:40 PM | Report abuse

Larry,

The game isn't on out here but I've been checking the stats and it seems like AB and JM are doing okay.

Gee who would have thought playing these guys in the games might help their progress?

Not Kal!

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | February 17, 2010 8:41 PM | Report abuse

Regarding Blatche. We're in the third quarter right now and Blatche has got:
25 pts, 11 rebounds, and 1 blocked shot.

Blatche is turning it on at the moment. Even if they don't keep Blatche, I suspect he'd at least draw a lot of serious interest since there's not too many young athletic big men out there, with a lot of upside potential. IMO, he still has upside potential.

Posted by: Independent11 | February 17, 2010 8:42 PM | Report abuse

EG is destroying the house that EG built.

Why does he deserve more chances?

He drafts poorly.

He acquires poorly performing free agents.

He re-signs his own poorly performing players.

He hires coaches that can't coach.

He hires a medical staff that can't treat the players.

He hires trainers that can't train.

The best thing EG can do is to fire EG.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | February 17, 2010 8:43 PM | Report abuse

Just playing ball baby, just playing some ball. Just choose sides and play together.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | February 17, 2010 8:44 PM | Report abuse

I like this team better than the team we started the season with. I do believe that we need a good PG next year as Foye doesn't look to be a great caliber PG for a contending team. Add the high pick we are likely to get, Thornton and resign our own free agents on the cheap and this team will be ready for a playoff run next year.

Posted by: Utilityman1 | February 17, 2010 8:46 PM | Report abuse

Interesting piece of trivia that provides some symmetry to everything....but....I believe that when the Bullets/Wizards signed Mark Price from Cleveland, they sent a first round pick to the Cavs. Who used it to pick Illgauskus.

Posted by: JoeW1 | February 17, 2010 8:48 PM | Report abuse

I might not have been a math major...but is it right that the Wizards have 2 1st round picks and only about $12 million in committed salary for next season?

Wow.

Posted by: SDMDTSU | February 17, 2010 8:51 PM | Report abuse

anacostia85 great so wiz get the last pick in the 1st round. Awesome. Not like Grunfield done a great job drafting players. He draft young immature players. Missed Dejuan Blair . And im sorry has not done a great job. He built a team that got to the playoffs but he couldnt or didnt match the right piece play with jamison butler and arenas. Grunfield spent way to much for Arenas. lets face Grunfield hasnt done a good job in my eyes. So we get useless big z who be bought out and go back to cleveland. Thi trade free up pollin's pocket because this was a bad trade. Anyway u look at it we didnt get good trade value for Jamison . This only works if Amare, Dwade,Bosh or Lebron sign here next season

Posted by: cjdwolfpack | February 17, 2010 8:52 PM | Report abuse

The Wizards did right by Caron and AJ, sent both to teams that will at least compete for a championship. They both played well here and were good soldiers. Now the Wiz can see what they have in the youngsters. The can evaluate them and if necessary move them as well.

Posted by: cmann083@yahoo.com | February 17, 2010 8:53 PM | Report abuse

This team needed to be blown up, start over.

Posted by: jmy999 | February 17, 2010 8:54 PM | Report abuse

"Interesting piece of trivia that provides some symmetry to everything....but....I believe that when the Bullets/Wizards signed Mark Price from Cleveland, they sent a first round pick to the Cavs. Who used it to pick Illgauskus.

Posted by: JoeW1 | February 17, 2010 8:48 PM | Report abuse "

And, I believe, both Steve Nash and Kobe were drafted after that pick.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | February 17, 2010 8:55 PM | Report abuse

Man, there is a lotto love on this board for Al Thornton. He was a great ACC player, and a big name in the draft, but has anyone here paid attention to his pro career? At his best, he's an average NBA SF. He's in his third season and having his worst statistical output yet. He has had some minor injuries this season, but he's also 26. To think he's going to improve much his current career average (which is better than this season's) of 13.7 points and 4.6 boards is unrealistic.

If the wizards had gotten Hickson, this deal would've been huge. That said, the fact that they did not take on any salary for next year (unlike the rumored Jamario Moon involvement) is good. The Cleveland Draft pick is ok, assuming we even use it. At least this allows us to see what we have in our young players. You have to assume Blatche, Foye, Young, and McGee will get some opportunities now.

This also means that only Blatche, McGee, and Young (besides Arenas) are under contract for next season.

On the more negative side, we could have traded Butler and Jamison for Stoudemire (rumored) over the summer. We'd be in almost the same financial shape we are now, and who knows how things would've played out at the beginning of the season. I'm curious to see if we make a move with Arenas this summer, or still try to build with him in mind. Either way, getting any luck at all, and landing Wall in the draft would make up for almost the entire last two seasons.

Posted by: segastyle | February 17, 2010 8:55 PM | Report abuse

oh and we got jobbed by Cleveland not giving up JJ Hickson

Posted by: cjdwolfpack | February 17, 2010 8:56 PM | Report abuse

I might not have been a math major...but is it right that the Wizards have 2 1st round picks and only about $12 million in committed salary for next season?

Wow.

Posted by: SDMDTSU | February 17, 2010 8:51 PM | Report abuse

Gil's contract alone is $18 millions.

Posted by: Utilityman1 | February 17, 2010 8:57 PM | Report abuse

"I might not have been a math major...but is it right that the Wizards have 2 1st round picks and only about $12 million in committed salary for next season?"

Only if you're assuming they buy out or void Arenas' contract (as opposed to trading him) and don't pick up the options on Howard or Foye.

Posted by: kalo_rama | February 17, 2010 8:57 PM | Report abuse

I'm assuming Gil will be back...Howard is not and Foye is...so that does raise that a little.

Now that I think of it....I think Howard will be back. He'll be an expiring contract next season.

Still not bad.

Posted by: SDMDTSU | February 17, 2010 8:58 PM | Report abuse

BF78,

Yes they are, but you can still see the same wtf substitution patterns screwing the momemtum of the players.

JM scored 8 straight for the Team and was promptly benched and yet to return.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | February 17, 2010 9:01 PM | Report abuse

When does Gil get sentenced? Ernie can't even consider what to do with Gil until that's been sorted out.

If Gil wants to void the contract, I think the Wiz would be stupid not to do it.

Posted by: Independent11 | February 17, 2010 9:04 PM | Report abuse

Between the 3 of them, Arenas, Howard, and Foye would take up about $35 mill of the projected $54 mill cap.

Posted by: kalo_rama | February 17, 2010 9:04 PM | Report abuse

Either way, getting any luck at all, and landing Wall in the draft would make up for almost the entire last two seasons.

Posted by: segastyle

Wall would be fantastic, but there are quite a few very good players in the top 6 or 7

Posted by: bossclifnpooh2 | February 17, 2010 9:04 PM | Report abuse

I think Saunders has been a bit short-sighted when it comes to Mike Miller.

This year, Miller has a field goal % of 57.7%, a 3PT % of 53.9% and yet he's only taking 6.8 shots per game. WTF?

Why hasn't Saunders made Miller the go-to guy? Some oversight to have escaped Saunders ...

You gotta go to the guys hitting nearly every damned basked!

Posted by: Independent11 | February 17, 2010 9:10 PM | Report abuse

I'd like to see Miller back but I don't know how likely that is. Howard is gonna be an expiring contract so if they really wanna rebuild, bringing him back and moving him next season is an option.

They have a lot of options. Not too bad from what it was last week.

Posted by: SDMDTSU | February 17, 2010 9:11 PM | Report abuse

I hate to say this, but I see why now that Flip benches Foye for Boykins at times. Foye needs to understand that whenever Miller is posted for a three, pass him the damn ball.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | February 17, 2010 9:13 PM | Report abuse

I like Mike Miller, because not only is he a fabulous shooter, he does a LOT of things well. He's a fantastic rebounder and he dishes off quite a few assists for a shooting guard/small forward.

Considering he's making nearly $10 million this year, he might be too expensive to resign, but I wish there was a way to keep him for much less than that.

Posted by: Independent11 | February 17, 2010 9:15 PM | Report abuse

al thornton must've dropped a deuce in elgin baylor's shoe while pisto whipping mike dunleavy and stealing b-dizzle's rims Posted by: lilhollywood10 | February 17, 2010 8:20 PM |

Hilarious!!

Posted by: FunStreet | February 17, 2010 9:18 PM | Report abuse

In one of the most bizarre twists of fate in sports history, the only 2 guys who we can safely predict will be on the Wizards payroll through the end of season are the 2 participants in the Shoot Out at the OK Corral

Posted by: randysbailin | February 17, 2010 9:18 PM | Report abuse

In one of the most bizarre twists of fate in sports history, the only 2 guys who we can safely predict will be on the Wizards payroll through the end of season are the 2 participants in the Shoot Out at the OK Corral

Posted by: randysbailin | February 17, 2010 9:18 PM | Report abuse

If they could get Miller for $6-7Million they should resign him. There's a lot of free agents, so he might not get the offers out there he's hoping for.

I guess the question is "why would he want to resign with a rebuilding franchise?"

They need to get rid of Gil's contract and sign a big name fast, or there's going to be an exodus by the remaining talent.

Posted by: Independent11 | February 17, 2010 9:18 PM | Report abuse

I like this Singleton guy too...reminds me a lot of Dom...

Posted by: SDMDTSU | February 17, 2010 9:19 PM | Report abuse

Ilgauskas will likely not stay here. He'll probably be bought out and he'll return to Cleveland. Clippers need Gooden after giving up Camby for essentially a back up PG.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | February 17, 2010 9:19 PM | Report abuse

Good luck in Cleveland, 'tawn. This was definitely the better of the two trades that Grunfeld made.

The Wiz made the one and only trade that could have me rooting for the Cavs in this year's playoffs.

Posted by: NWDC3 | February 17, 2010 9:20 PM | Report abuse

Ilgauskas is owed something like $11 mil this year. Buy him out -- his game is gone.

Posted by: Independent11 | February 17, 2010 9:21 PM | Report abuse

Wizards won by 9. Great stats for Blatche, McGhee, & Miller.

Funny how losing all that talent netted us a rare win.

Posted by: Independent11 | February 17, 2010 9:25 PM | Report abuse

These young guys make up for their inexperience with hustle and athleticism. I know they're not going to go on a tear and win 10 straight, but I like what I saw tonight from the Wiz in terms of looking like a team.

Posted by: and_1 | February 17, 2010 9:25 PM | Report abuse

Anyone else nostalgic that the Drew Gooden era is coming to an end w/ the Wizards?

Posted by: randysbailin | February 17, 2010 9:26 PM | Report abuse

BulletsFan78,

I am smiling. The Washington Wizards played a little basketball tonight. Team basketball.

Butchaknow, Javale McGee showed what most of us thought he had all along. Green with mistakes but with all the talent to overcome them on the floor in gametime.

I loved it. McGee got ball faked and his man went by him but when he layed it up McGee blocked his shot at he basket but fouled him across his head slightly with his arm.

It is basketball plays like that why you let the players play.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | February 17, 2010 9:29 PM | Report abuse

Didn't see the game but the stat that jumps out at me is AB 33 and 13 that's better than AJ would have done.

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | February 17, 2010 9:33 PM | Report abuse

Good game guys, I am proud of you!

Whomever you all were! ;);)

"I like this team better than the team we started the season with."

They 100% played harder, I don't know what that really says about the guys we had here before.

Still proud of them, they could have just walked through. The beginning of the game certainly sucked and it looked like it was going to be a long night.

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | February 17, 2010 9:33 PM | Report abuse

The trade was basically Jamison for Al Thornton + Cleveland's No. 1 + cap space. This was actually a much better trade for the Wizards than the Butler/Haywood trade to Dallas where the Wizards netted nothing but cap space. Z will never play here in D.C. and will be bought out & back in Cleveland in 30 days as their backup Center.

Thornton is only 26-27 and has a lot of upside as a small forward. The rest of the players won't be in a Wizards uniform next year. After seeing how Miller has played and handled himself under adverse conditions, I'd like to see the Wiz resign him in the offseason to provide some stability. He probably wants out but has a few good years left in him. Not as sold on Foye who doesn't look like he's any more than a 3rd guard on a decent team.

Posted by: wizfan89 | February 17, 2010 9:33 PM | Report abuse

Ilgauskas is owed something like $11 mil this year. Buy him out -- his game is gone.

Posted by: Independent11


I'd rather see Z on the court than Oberto, but I rather suspect that a tacit agreement is in place to buy him out and let him go back to the Cavs for their big championship push.

Posted by: and_1 | February 17, 2010 9:34 PM | Report abuse

The trade was basically Jamison for Al Thornton + Cleveland's No. 1 + cap space. This was actually a much better trade for the Wizards than the Butler/Haywood trade to Dallas where the Wizards netted nothing but cap space. Z will never play here in D.C. and will be bought out & back in Cleveland in 30 days as their backup Center.

Thornton is only 26-27 and has a lot of upside as a small forward. The rest of the players won't be in a Wizards uniform next year. After seeing how Miller has played and handled himself under adverse conditions, I'd like to see the Wiz resign him in the offseason to provide some stability. He probably wants out but has a few good years left in him. Not as sold on Foye who doesn't look like he's any more than a 3rd guard on a decent team.

Posted by: wizfan89 | February 17, 2010 9:34 PM | Report abuse

"Didn't see the game but the stat that jumps out at me is AB 33 and 13 that's better than AJ would have done."

He was beasting tonight, I hope he does that every night.

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | February 17, 2010 9:35 PM | Report abuse

PG - Foye
SG - Miller
SF - Thorton
PF - Blatche
C - McGee

6th - Howard
Bench - Young
Bench - Skinner
Bench - Boykins
Bench - McGuire

This is not a bad team! .500 at best, young, and athletic..

Posted by: BulletsForEva | February 17, 2010 9:38 PM | Report abuse

Players the Wiz have under contract for next season not including Gil:

1. Blatche - $3,260,311
2. Thornton - $2,814,196
3. Young - $2,630,503
4. McGee - $1,601,040
5. Ross - $1,146,337(Player Option, he may not exercise it)

Total: $11,452,447($10,306,110 w/o Ross)

The projected salary cap is between $50 - $53mil, with max contracts this season set at $17.3mil which probably will not go up. Giving the Wiz between $42.7 - $38.6mil to play with and 10 or 11 rosters to fill. Oh and Foye is restricted but we can let him go if we chose.

Posted by: peteywheatstraw | February 17, 2010 9:39 PM | Report abuse

and_1,
Z's making about $9 million more this year than Oberto, so not sure any marginal difference between the two would be worth the price for a season that's in the toilet anyways.

randysbailin,
Heh heh, ... yeah I'm thinking Gooden should get his jersey hung from the MCI rafters.

Posted by: Independent11 | February 17, 2010 9:40 PM | Report abuse

Foye will be here next season. The Wiz can make him a 1-year qualifying offer, and there's really no reason they wouldn't. Even if he's not the long-term answer at starter, they're going to need guys who can play next season, and they aren't going to be too quick to start doling out long-term contracts this early in the rebuilding faze.

Posted by: kalo_rama | February 17, 2010 9:41 PM | Report abuse

Gooden is a bum... Im glad they shipped him to the Clips for Thorton (kick rocks). That in my book is a pimp move.

Posted by: onemikeclark | February 17, 2010 9:41 PM | Report abuse

"Now that I think of it....I think Howard will be back. He'll be an expiring contract next season.

Still not bad."

I would be shocked if Gil returns next year, I just don't see it happening.

I've said it before, you can make a handfull of moves in basketball and be right back in the thick of things.

Let's say you keep the "core" of who played tonight, add a Chris Bosh, 2/3 nice picks in the draft....that's not too shabby of a team.

I really don't see Arenas back here next year. Someone is going to trade for him over the summer.

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | February 17, 2010 9:43 PM | Report abuse

Thorton is a steal, great trade Ernie....

Posted by: BulletsForEva | February 17, 2010 9:44 PM | Report abuse

Surprisingly enough, it was actually a fresh feeling to see these new players. Singleton was hustling the whole night, grabbing every rebound he could. Blatche was awesome. 33 and 13? That's all you need to know. I think his new teammates were really impressed by him.

Posted by: rachel216 | February 17, 2010 9:44 PM | Report abuse

kalo_rama,
I agree. Foye is young and has upside. He'll improve with the right coaching. He's a scoring threat and he's got the ability to dish off (though he should probably focus a bit more on that). He also pulls quite a few rebounds for a pg. Rather versatile guy to work with.

Posted by: Independent11 | February 17, 2010 9:45 PM | Report abuse

I don’t know about the rest of my fellow posters but I really enjoyed the game tonight. I like, Howard, Singleton and Al Thorton. Also the Wiz has to re-sign MM Foye (should come the bench next year) and Singleton. What the hell pick-up Howard’s option Blatche, McGee and Skinner for some added muscle.

Posted by: dsquare | February 17, 2010 9:46 PM | Report abuse

"Surprisingly enough, it was actually a fresh feeling to see these new players."

I agree Rachel. I was certainly sad to hear about Jamison gone but was happy for him at the same time.

Give it a few games, then we'll be ripping them to shreds. Lol!

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | February 17, 2010 9:46 PM | Report abuse

Make that "this early in the rebuilding phase."

Posted by: kalo_rama | February 17, 2010 9:47 PM | Report abuse

so what do the Wiz gain by buying Z out? he gets paid his whole contract, he goes back to Cleveland, making their front line stronger, and the Wiz trade Antawn, Pay Z's contract, AND get no player in return for the last 3 months of the season? if he doesn't want to play, DNP-Coach's Decision his a$$ for the duration.

Posted by: kman2 | February 17, 2010 9:47 PM | Report abuse

Foye will be here next season. The Wiz can make him a 1-year qualifying offer, and there's really no reason they wouldn't. Even if he's not the long-term answer at starter, they're going to need guys who can play next season, and they aren't going to be too quick to start doling out long-term contracts this early in the rebuilding faze.

Posted by: kalo_rama

Could you imagine Miller walking at the end of the season and Foye not being given at least a one-year contract?
The only thing that could make it worse is Rubio coming over and turning into Steve Nash.

Posted by: and_1 | February 17, 2010 9:48 PM | Report abuse

Skinner isn't part of the deal, as it ends up. http://twitter.com/RicBucher/status/9258708270

Posted by: Independent11 | February 17, 2010 9:48 PM | Report abuse

Here is the salary cap breakdown before tonight's trade http://www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?story_id=9153

Posted by: Pete23 | February 17, 2010 9:49 PM | Report abuse

PG - Foye
SG - Miller
SF - Thorton
PF - Blatche
C - McGee

6th - Howard
Bench - Young
Bench - Skinner
Bench - Boykins
Bench - McGuire

This is not a bad team! .500 at best, young, and athletic..


don't forget Singleton....he was a defensive hustling monster in the game who actually made a few jumpers!

Posted by: kanderson2385 | February 17, 2010 9:52 PM | Report abuse

gooden got his wish to be elsewhere...i'm happy for him. singleton looks better than gooden would look, with him not wanting to be here. miller needs to be more shot consious(he can plain shoot). all-in-all i would say the young guys played well enough to win tonight. against a more talented team it won't look so good, but at least it will be entertaining to see them play the young guys. as the season winds down, mcgee's minutes should go up.

Posted by: joerutgens72 | February 17, 2010 9:53 PM | Report abuse

Didn't see the game but the stat that jumps out at me is AB 33 and 13 that's better than AJ would have done.

Posted by: bulletsfan78

dont forget Mcgee's 14/11/5blks on 7-10 shooting in 23min, better than Haywood would have done!

Posted by: divi3 | February 17, 2010 9:54 PM | Report abuse

Gooden's act in this series of events is impossible to defend or justify. The guy got a $4.5 million salary from the Dallas Mavericks — after six other former employers had had enough of him — and he's such a prima donna that he thinks he can dictatewhere he goes? For that kind of cash, you go where you're traded, and you quietly play your tail off and cash your check that is a lot larger than you deserve.

Here's hoping the Clippers fail to reach the playoffs and lose at a record pace in an empty arena. When his contract is up after this year, I hope he ends up with the Nets or in the developmental league. What an overrated, egocentric jerk.

Posted by: DC2Dallas | February 17, 2010 9:55 PM | Report abuse

The new players contributed tonight, which was good to see. Nice win. Singleton in particular was a pleasant surprise. Howard had some good moments too.

Good to see the Wizards get some potential long-term value in exchange for Jamison too; also good for Jamison to get a legit chance to make a run at a championship this year.

Posted by: JPRS | February 17, 2010 9:57 PM | Report abuse

By the way, I hated the first trade (aside from the fact that Washington got the VERY underrated Quinton Ross — my favorite NBA player), but I'm far more encouraged by this one. Thornton has considerable potential, and a draft pick is a valuable asset (fill in your own Ernie Grunfeld joke here).

Posted by: DC2Dallas | February 17, 2010 10:00 PM | Report abuse

dont forget Mcgee's 14/11/5blks on 7-10 shooting in 23min, better than Haywood would have done!

Posted by: divi3

Amen!

Posted by: and_1 | February 17, 2010 10:02 PM | Report abuse

its absolutely hilarious that blatche dropped such a huge game in his first start at power forward in quite some time, guess why all his minutes came at center before? it starts with an A and ends with a J, also very nicely done by javale 14, 11 and 5 blocks in just 23 mins, singleton and howard brought some much needed energy and athleticism as well, did you notice we played team ball tonight, it didn't stick in anyone's hands only to yield a challenged awful j, crazy huh, best day of the season by far (since first two weeks) and yes I know the wolves are complete garbage, keep the hustle up and play the right way fellas

Posted by: bford1kb | February 17, 2010 10:08 PM | Report abuse

dont forget Mcgee's 14/11/5blks on 7-10 shooting in 23min, better than Haywood would have done!

Posted by: divi3

Amen!

Posted by: and_1 | February 17, 2010 10:02 PM |

Yes, Yes, and Yes, he would have been even more impressive than Haywood had he not been a victim of the Haywood substitution pattern. For LOL.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | February 17, 2010 10:09 PM | Report abuse

I can see clearly now that aj's gone

Posted by: bford1kb | February 17, 2010 10:10 PM | Report abuse

for real larry, I started yelling at the tv when they were letting the wolves back into it with javale spending 10 straight game minutes on the pine

Posted by: bford1kb | February 17, 2010 10:11 PM | Report abuse

Remember Randy Foye isn't supposed to be a PG. He's just playing it out of necessity. He can do it in a bind but he's more of a combo guy. He'll be back.

I don't want Bosh here. That's just me though. I can see how some could though.

Posted by: SDMDTSU | February 17, 2010 10:13 PM | Report abuse

haywood ain't looking so bad in dallas tonight. i think his reputation always preceeds him. he's not the player he was when he first came to DC, but the way he is viewed is tarnished by that. he is what he is, but it's not as bad as everyone seems to think. dallas got a good back-up center and now starter since dampier is hurt. how fortunate do you think they feel to have a 7' center to fill in now that dampier is hurt. he's holding his own out there.

Posted by: joerutgens72 | February 17, 2010 10:15 PM | Report abuse

yeah, that was pure Flip. Jefferson had abused JM all night, the kid finally gets his bearings, a few stops, 8 straight points....so he hits the bench for 10mins

mystifying, though JM did look winded

Posted by: divi3 | February 17, 2010 10:17 PM | Report abuse

Dalas said to be pursuing BigZ due to Dampier injury if we buy Z out....can we get some more goods from them or Cleveland under those circumstances?

Posted by: divi3 | February 17, 2010 10:20 PM | Report abuse

The deal is better WITHOUT Skinner, since this team is now under the salary cap and thus available for the welfare check. Thorton is a great get, considering it was looking like this team would only get Z and a late first round pick. Thorton entered the league at 23, so he's older than most think, but at 26 and just in the second year of his 4 yr rookie contract, I'm glad this team got a tangible asset for the future...

Posted by: -CN- | February 17, 2010 10:24 PM | Report abuse

You have got to like the Wiz getting Al Thornton in this deal... I didn't think they would get that young guy to build with, at least Ernie got someone who has room to grow... given minutes, he has produced at times.

Farewell AJ.. class ACT!

Posted by: tony325 | February 17, 2010 10:25 PM | Report abuse

dallas already has a 7' three point shooter. why would they want another one. they are looking for someone to play near the basket, not out there where dirk plays. that's why THEY wanted brendan. Z does nothing for dallas, but get in dirk's way.

Posted by: joerutgens72 | February 17, 2010 10:30 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: divi3 | February 17, 2010 10:32 PM | Report abuse

If he does get bought out, there's almost no chance Ilgauskas goes anywhere but back to Cleveland.

Posted by: kalo_rama | February 17, 2010 10:33 PM | Report abuse

Antawn said he loved the DC fans more than they loved him. Not sure I understand why he felt DC fans didn't like him?

AJ put up great numbers every year he was here. Rarely got injured, held the team somewhat together (considering) when Gil and Caron kept getting injured.

That's a shame he felt unappreciated by the fans here. Looking back, we got better production/leadership/consistency from AJ than the other big 2. AJ rocks!

Posted by: Independent11 | February 17, 2010 10:34 PM | Report abuse

I thought I saw Irene celebrating at a bar downtown for getting under the cap. She not only gets to not pay the luxury tax but she will be getting a check from the league as well...

Posted by: Utilityman1 | February 17, 2010 10:35 PM | Report abuse

It's obvious now that this board is full of idiots. I'm not sure why I waste my time reading the garbage on here.

Anyone with common sense knows this was a solid move for us. Getting Thornton and a 1st makes this a good deal.

How many teams wanted a 33year old shoot first so called pf?

Please... we are lucky to move Jamison, as much as I love him for being a pro he could never win a title as a top option.

Posted by: DMoney28 | February 17, 2010 10:40 PM | Report abuse

interesting article out of dallas, i guess you can never have enough 7' 3 point shooters on one team. IMO i don't see where he helps them, but what the hell do i know...maybe he's got some new postup moves, or maybe he 7'3" and that's what counts.

Posted by: joerutgens72 | February 17, 2010 10:42 PM | Report abuse

Moving on from all this trade talk....

monster game from AB and JaTravel tonight.

I think, as I've said before, that MeTawn being gone is going to be good for AB.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | February 17, 2010 10:48 PM | Report abuse

@dmoney

it's called freedom...you are free to read or free to leave...

Posted by: joerutgens72 | February 17, 2010 10:50 PM | Report abuse

"dont forget Mcgee's 14/11/5blks on 7-10 shooting in 23min, better than Haywood would have done!

Posted by: divi3 | February 17, 2010 9:54 PM | Report abuse "

Don't get too excited over just one game from JaTravel, especially with Minnesota being 5 games worse than Les BouleS.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | February 17, 2010 10:52 PM | Report abuse

Foye coming back next year @ $4.7M (qualifying offer) seems like a lot of dough, right? I would not offer the qualifying offer, but try to re-sign him at a lower value. I don't think there will be a big market for him, since he's never played in a playoff game and is only averaging 10 pts a game this year. How can he be worth $4.7M? Not saying I wouldn't want him back, just not at that salary...

Posted by: -CN- | February 17, 2010 10:54 PM | Report abuse

Foye is definitely worth that. He's been sharing playtime with a guard-heavy roster. When he got injured he finally came back and found his playing time cut.

He's young, and his upside is very big. The guy can score, dish, and rebound.

Posted by: Independent11 | February 17, 2010 11:03 PM | Report abuse

Haywood had a decent first game tonight for Dallas: 10pts, 7 rebounds, 4 blocks, 2 assists

Posted by: Independent11 | February 17, 2010 11:05 PM | Report abuse

Do the Wizards now have to waive two players to be "legal", or just one assuming that the NBA allows Arenas's suspension to not count on the roster?

Posted by: rickgonz | February 17, 2010 11:06 PM | Report abuse

They should have really pushed for Hickson. I don't think Hornton is that good. On the bright side, they don't have to keep him around next year. Big Z will definitely be gone by then, too, which is good news.

Posted by: nadeemsx | February 17, 2010 11:08 PM | Report abuse

Moving on from all this trade talk....

monster game from AB and JaTravel tonight.

I think, as I've said before, that MeTawn being gone is going to be good for AB.

Posted by: DC_MAN88


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Yeah Blatche can still get better.

I've pimped AB here on Wiz Insider, of course drew a lot of criticism, but unless you've got a superstar worthy of building your team around, all you can ask of young players is that they get better every year.

Blatche definitely has the physical tools, he just needs the work ethic.

Posted by: Vicc | February 17, 2010 11:10 PM | Report abuse

@Joe72

It's also called hating just to hate and not understanding the market.

This was a good trade for a team that was obviously in sell mode.

Please tell me the other teams that were lining up for AJ, because there were none.

If we didn't make this move we could have been stuck

Posted by: DMoney28 | February 17, 2010 11:13 PM | Report abuse

Haywood had a decent first game tonight for Dallas: 10pts, 7 rebounds, 4 blocks, 2 assists
Posted by: Independent11 | February 17, 2010 11:05 PM | Report abuse

And the commentators loved him for his D, saying he altered a lot of shots.

Posted by: rickgonz | February 17, 2010 11:15 PM | Report abuse

Impossible is nothing?

NOT.

Impossible to think before the season that this team would be blown up....now....wow.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | February 17, 2010 11:18 PM | Report abuse

the wizards gm is pathetic! when you consider 2 past allstars and a seven footer with respectable skills (at times) for the garbage he got in return. A Cleveland first rounder will be so late you might as well say it's a second rounder. This is lock on the cellar for quite a while. btw, who in the **** would want to come here and play via free agency?

Posted by: jenksredskins | February 17, 2010 11:19 PM | Report abuse

And Joe I don't consider you as one of the idiots that posted tonight

Posted by: DMoney28 | February 17, 2010 11:21 PM | Report abuse

It's just really pointless to be a cynical wizard fan. A joke here or there is fine, but it's alwayz more interesting to here fans opinions on how to fix the teams versus constant negativity.

Realistically, there are only 2 or 3 teams that will win the next 5 NBA championships anyway. With that in mind, just focus your love of the NBA on individual talent. The game of basketball should be recognized as an individual sport.

Posted by: Vicc | February 17, 2010 11:26 PM | Report abuse

It's obvious now that this board is full of idiots. I'm not sure why I waste my time reading the garbage on here.

Anyone with common sense knows this was a solid move for us. Getting Thornton and a 1st makes this a good deal.

How many teams wanted a 33year old shoot first so called pf?

Please... we are lucky to move Jamison, as much as I love him for being a pro he could never win a title as a top option.

Posted by: DMoney28

You are the delusional one....this was a horrid move...just rubbing salt in the wound of the equally horrid Haywood/Butler trade.

Jamison was a class act - we have NOTHING now. And what's the point of freeing up cap space if nobody wants to play here? Who could blame them after all this mess?

And to answer your question as to who would want Jamison? Really? The best team in the NBA - and the team who will win the Championship - the flippin' Cavaliers. We just handed them the last piece to the title.

And there is no reason to get excited about the win tonight - it was against the TWolves. Friday night against the Nuggets will be a totally different outcome.

By the way, what happened to the Cavaliers/Amare trade or the Heat/Amare trade?

Posted by: Lisa_R | February 17, 2010 11:26 PM | Report abuse

Looking forward to AB playing against MeTawn in the future.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | February 17, 2010 11:29 PM | Report abuse

I'm all about getting a good trade for Jamison, but I have a problem with trading him to the enemy (Cleveland). You don't trade your good player to the rival. Maybe to a team on the west in contention. I would love to know what other offers were on the table...If Cleveland wanted him that bad, why didn't EG insist that Hickson is part of the trade??

Posted by: htnba20031 | February 17, 2010 11:31 PM | Report abuse

"You are the delusional one....this was a horrid move...just rubbing salt in the wound of the equally horrid Haywood/Butler trade.

Jamison was a class act - we have NOTHING now. And what's the point of freeing up cap space if nobody wants to play here? Who could blame them after all this mess?

And to answer your question as to who would want Jamison? Really? The best team in the NBA - and the team who will win the Championship - the flippin' Cavaliers. We just handed them the last piece to the title.

And there is no reason to get excited about the win tonight - it was against the TWolves. Friday night against the Nuggets will be a totally different outcome.

By the way, what happened to the Cavaliers/Amare trade or the Heat/Amare trade?

Posted by: Lisa_R | February 17, 2010 11:26 PM | Report abuse "

Who cares if the Cavs win a title with MeTawn when Les BouleS couldn't win anything WITH MeTawn.

He just didn't work out here, and was not worth the money he was getting paid.

I said a long time ago that both Gilby and MeTawn should not have been re-signed, and as it stands now, I was right.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | February 17, 2010 11:31 PM | Report abuse

Excerpts from Hollingers review of the trade:

I've had a couple people tell me Jamison is a low-efficiency offensive player, but that' s just not true. His shooting percentages are only average, but what these folks miss is his miniscule Turnover Rate -- his mark is half that of Stoudemire's, for instance.

Jamison gets most of his points without dribbling or isolating one-on-one -- most of his points come in the flow. On a team for which LeBron James, a gifted passer, is doing most of the work with the ball, Jamison's ability to make a quick cut that generates a shot should prove valuable. The last time he was in a similar situation, playing with Steve Nash in Dallas, he shot 53.5 percent from the field, posted his career high in PER and won the Sixth Man of the Year award.

and on Thornton:

As for Thornton, he was a necessary component of the deal but basically gives the Wizards exactly what they don't need -- another quasi-talented, shot-happy young guy who has no idea how to play. Washington's quartet of Thornton, Nick Young, Andray Blatche, and JaVale McGee might be the most clueless unit any single NBA team could muster. Thornton will likely start at small forward with Butler gone, and he has one year left on his contract after this one to prove my scouting report incorrect.

Posted by: SDMDTSU | February 17, 2010 11:37 PM | Report abuse

And what's the point of freeing up cap space if nobody wants to play here?

Posted by: Lisa_R | February 17, 2010 11:26 PM


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I totally agree and am a bit concerned that is the case.

However, a top Superstar should want to come to Washington, because of the market.

A superstar can do so much here b/c networking in DC is better than in regular cities.

Think about it. As good as Gilbert was, he only became a megastar b/c he played in DC. Kevin Durant is the truth, but no1 talks about him as elite b/c he plays for Oklahoma. They care more about college football than professional basketball over there!

Posted by: Vicc | February 17, 2010 11:40 PM | Report abuse

"Washington's quartet of Thornton, Nick Young, Andray Blatche, and JaVale McGee might be the most clueless unit any single NBA team could muster."

That is hilarious and true, though I will enjoy watching NY/AB/JM get a chance to do their thang...whatever that may be.

Posted by: divi3 | February 17, 2010 11:45 PM | Report abuse

11.64 + 4.50 (16.14) gone and 11.54 + 1.90 + 1.31 (14.75) coming in = a get out of jail free card for IRENE POLLIN. According to my calculations there was 1.6 remaining, therefore, no luxury tax. Too bad JAMES and his 6.5 million couldn't be moved. Not at all surprising. I will really enjoy seeing him gone next year.

We now have eight warm bodies under contract for next year though one is on a player option.

ARENAS, FOYE (qualifying offer), YOUNG, ROSS (player option), HOWARD, THORNTON, BLATCHE, McGEE.

With all the expiring contracts, I think we should presume MILLER will be resigned, and three draft picks that's twelve: eleven if ROSS can't be mollified.

In fact, I'm thinking maybe THORNTON is insurance against the team not re-signing him. If ROSS bolts, I think McGUIRE should be offered at 1.15 as that's his position. That leaves two or three positions open, depending.

Of course, there's always moving ARENAS or dealing with his contract. But the club will not be able to void it, so he will have to be dealt with in some fashion.

I say he stays, and he plays until the last two years of his contract at which point he has a player option. Then if his worth is re-established, he's moved with his consent, of course.

Posted by: glawrence007 | February 17, 2010 11:54 PM | Report abuse

*WHOA*

Devin Harris crossed and froze D. Wade and caused him to hurt his ankle or hammy.

It happens. AI crossed Jordan. Of course Jordan immediately came down and scored ova AI.

Posted by: Vicc | February 17, 2010 11:55 PM | Report abuse

to all the folks who have been whining here about the team change in direction and then making various threats to stay away from games, abandon their fan support, give up their tickets forever, etc., you missed a great game tonight! Don't worry, a decent enough number of TRUE Wizards fans turned out to see the new team composition, offer their fan support, see Blatche's personal best scoring, McGee making some waves, and Miller sinking some monster threes. The energy level rose in the arena each time Blatche or Miller sank another one. Yes it was just Minnesota, but it was great to feel the live excitement of the fresh start. I would easily place this among the most memorable games in the last two seasons, and it will go down in this decade's Wizards lore as the official end of one era, and beginning of another. I'm a fan, not a critic, and was thrilled to be there to see it live.

Posted by: ragtop4spd | February 17, 2010 11:58 PM | Report abuse

I said a long time ago that both Gilby and MeTawn should not have been re-signed, and as it stands now, I was right.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | February 17, 2010 11:31 PM | Report abuse

And you weren't alone in that regard. If you remember, I started calling ownership brain-dead at that time. It took me quite a bit longer to surmise EG was in this too, and not just being a dutiful employee.

Posted by: glawrence007 | February 18, 2010 12:01 AM | Report abuse

Before I write my post, Vicc, you serious? No one considers Durant as elite? That's just plain incorrect. Most NBA analysts already have him as one of the top 7-8 talents in the game.

Anyways, what I was going to say was that our cap situation should make this summer either incredibly exciting or incredibly underwhelming. Assuming we don't pick up Josh Howard's contract, we'll have either 25 or 26 million under contract (depending on Ross's PO). That gives us roughly 30 million in dough to work with in this loaded free agent class.

And what IF (the biggest if of all the ifs) we could void Gil's contract? We'd have less than 10 million under contract for next year (cue Donnie Walsh j'ing in his pants with jealousy). That's enough for dos max deals and then some.

Until then, let's enjoy this breath of fresh air! Loved the game tonight, although I missed the beginning when apparently we looked pretty D-League.

My two cents from the slopes in Vail.

Posted by: dfresh58 | February 18, 2010 12:02 AM | Report abuse

@dmoney

I wasn't tryna be hard on you...i'm kinda new here with my opinions, but that's all they are. everyone comes here and has their say from what i can tell. for the most part everyone has good thoughts. i don't like the name calling i guess was all i was getting at. everyone is entitled to their opinion...even as convoluted as some may be. i enjoy the different looks at how things are going. i agree with some, disagree with some, learn from some, and laugh at some. that's why i'm here.

Posted by: joerutgens72 | February 18, 2010 12:09 AM | Report abuse

It would be nice for them not to jump out the window in FA agency and bring Durant home in 2011. That's what I would like to see...2 1st rounders this year, save the money, another pick then go after K.D.

Posted by: SDMDTSU | February 18, 2010 12:11 AM | Report abuse

dfresh58,

Of course any1 who knows about basketball knows Durant is elite.

The difference is that many who don't follow the game of basketball as much still know who Lebron, Kobe, Wade, and even Arenas is. Arenas was a good baller, but his celebrity was aided by the DC market. A really good basketball player could become a megastar here in DC.

Durant would gain more of the recognition he deserves if he were in location where the media is superfluous.

Posted by: Vicc | February 18, 2010 12:14 AM | Report abuse

"Foye coming back next year @ $4.7M (qualifying offer) seems like a lot of dough, right?"

Not for a 1-year deal by NBA standards. Besides, if they want him back next year, their only alternative to the 1-year qualifier is to sign him to a multiyear deal, which I doubt they'd want to do at this point. And I seriously doubt he'd agree to sign a long-term deal at a lower starting salary.

Posted by: kalo_rama | February 18, 2010 12:20 AM | Report abuse

Arenas did not have anywhere near the "real world" celebrity of Kobe, Lebron, or Wade. That's a rather ridiculous thing to suggest, really.

Posted by: kalo_rama | February 18, 2010 12:21 AM | Report abuse

gilbert had potential to become "real world" but at his highest point he was more of a local phenom with people looking to see what all the noise in DC was about. if his head was on straight he may have realized this, but he was to busy being the class clown and not doing his homework(learning to play some D), and then.... luckily it wasn't gunshots they heard.

Posted by: joerutgens72 | February 18, 2010 12:29 AM | Report abuse

Gil was never going to get the level of celebrity as those 3.

Gil put up 60 on the Lakers with a large portion coming on Kobe and nobody outside a 30 mile radius remembers.

Honest question. This whole "he doesn't play defense" conversation (not about Gil, but people in general) how many superstars make a serious commitment to defense? Just want opinions.

Posted by: SDMDTSU | February 18, 2010 12:34 AM | Report abuse

GRUNFIELD IS TRYING...HE HASN'T HAD MUCH TO WORK WITH...ALMOST EVERYONE ON HERE AGREED THAT SOMETHING HAD TO BE DONE WITH THE UNDER-ACHIEVING PERSONNEL ON THIS TEAM...THE GIL INCIDENT MAGNIFIED THAT THE WIZ HAD TO DO SOMETHING...THIS IS A START...IF TED GETS THE TEAM HE WILL HAVE ROOM TO WORK HIS MOJO...SIT BACK AND WATCH...THE WIZ MAY EVEN MAKE SOME NOISE WITH THIS CURRENT ROSTER...I'M EXCITED ABOUT THE FUTURE OF THE WASHINGTON WIZARDS...

Posted by: ronniecope106 | February 18, 2010 12:44 AM | Report abuse

most of the superstars are committed to winning, some do it by scoring alot some by playing a good over-all game. defense comes natural to them. then in some cases they have four arms instead of two(ref deference bcuz of superstar status) so they don't need to be great at defense. i think you can see effort on the defensive end in some of the star players. gilbert never really showed the effort except to play the passing lanes, not much one on one. star players on good teams normally have help inside from either center or PF. that is what was lacking in DC recently. no commitment from the big men. brendan couldn't cover everybody and antawn is not a defensive specialist....soooo, it looked real bad if gil or anybody else had their man break them down and take it to the hole. IMO defense is all about desire. you either put in the work at it or you suck at it. you know who the star players are that actually play defense or have good big men inside. normally they play for the championship.

Posted by: joerutgens72 | February 18, 2010 12:52 AM | Report abuse

Top Superstars should still wanna ball in DC, b/c of the networking opportunities.

Everytime the Wiz have a bad year, it's always a bad draft class.

I love how every1 alwayz praises the Caps for building a terrible team into a contender, but really it was just luck to have the #1 pick when Ovechkin came out. Just like the Cavs picking #1 the year Lebron came out.

NO Ovechkin, no consistently contending for CAps.

Posted by: Vicc | February 18, 2010 12:59 AM | Report abuse

"Considering he's [Miller] making nearly $10 million this year, he might be too expensive to resign, but I wish there was a way to keep him for much less than that." - Independent11

I don't think he'll be offered that much by any team next year. Granted, he's been on some bad teams the last couple of years, but his output still has declined and he's turning 30 tomorrow. I'd imagine he'll either get offered a good 1-2 year deal up to 8 mil per, or more likely, take a longer term (3-4) deal averaging about 6+ mil a year.

For us though, resigning him would only make sense if we also bring in a top flight player to play alongside Arenas. If the goal is to dump Arenas and start from scratch with youth, we'd just be wasting Miller's time.

Posted by: segastyle | February 18, 2010 1:04 AM | Report abuse

gilbert had potential to become "real world"

Posted by: joerutgens72


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That was my main point. That potential would not exist if he were playing in Golden State or Houston etc...

Posted by: Vicc | February 18, 2010 1:05 AM | Report abuse

"Thornton is only 26-27 and has a lot of upside as a small forward." - wizfan89

26-27 year olds in the NBA don't typically have much upside. That's usually when they should be in their prime, about 2-3 years before they start to decline. And producing less in his 3rd season than he did in his rookie season doesn't bode well.

Posted by: segastyle | February 18, 2010 1:08 AM | Report abuse

"Foye will be here next season. The Wiz can make him a 1-year qualifying offer, and there's really no reason they wouldn't. Even if he's not the long-term answer at starter, they're going to need guys who can play next season, and they aren't going to be too quick to start doling out long-term contracts this early in the rebuilding faze." - kalo_rama

The thing with Foye is, he could get a better offer from another team that the Wizards aren't willing to match.

Posted by: segastyle | February 18, 2010 1:12 AM | Report abuse

"That was my main point. That potential would not exist if he were playing in Golden State or Houston etc…"

That's last century thinking. In this 24/7 electronic media age of cell phones, satellite, internet, Facebook, twitter, et al., the idea that you need to live in a city with a certain size and kind of population in order to get attention is extremely dated. And, at the end of the day, all of that stuff is just window dressing, anyway. If an athlete wants to get noticed on a wide scale, there's one way to do it . . . win. Hell, Brett Favre played almost his entire career in one of the smallest sports markets in the country, in any sport, and he's one of the best known American sports stars of the last two decades. Gil was a minor phenomenon for a hot minute, then fizzled out. What got him attention had nothing to do with playing in DC and everything to do with the fact that the team was winning for the first time in decades. Once that stopped, so did the attention.

Posted by: kalo_rama | February 18, 2010 1:21 AM | Report abuse

@Vicc

oh i agree with that. DC has been the victim of poor management, poor media coverage and therefore less possibility to be recognized outside of the DC market. it almost happened, but the injuries and setbacks trying to rehab poured ice water on anything that might have happened. the stupidity iced it.

Posted by: joerutgens72 | February 18, 2010 1:22 AM | Report abuse

"The thing with Foye is, he could get a better offer from another team that the Wizards aren't willing to match."

Doubt it. He didn't play well enough this season to ignite a bidding war, esp. given the lowering cap and impending lockout and new CBA.

It's very unlikely anyone is going to offer him a deal starting at more than the qualifier. Unless he takes a multiyear deal starting for less than the qualifying amount (which I don't recall ever happening) then he'll likely sign the 1-year deal, play out the season, and become an unrestricted FA next summer, which is a good deal for both sides.

Posted by: kalo_rama | February 18, 2010 1:26 AM | Report abuse

Gil was never going to get the level of celebrity as those 3.

Gil put up 60 on the Lakers with a large portion coming on Kobe and nobody outside a 30 mile radius remembers.

Honest question. This whole "he doesn't play defense" conversation (not about Gil, but people in general) how many superstars make a serious commitment to defense? Just want opinions.

Posted by: SDMDTSU | February 18, 2010 12:34 AM


Kobe, Wade MJ Lebron, Duncan, Hakeem, Pippen.

Posted by: anacostia85 | February 18, 2010 1:31 AM | Report abuse

I know its just one game but I liked the energy Singleton brought to the floor tonight. Hopefully he keeps bringing it.

I really didn't like Ross rocking the 3, feel like that # should have been left alone for awhile

Posted by: DMoney28 | February 18, 2010 1:32 AM | Report abuse

"It's very unlikely anyone is going to offer him a deal starting at more than the qualifier. Unless he takes a multiyear deal starting for less than the qualifying amount..." - kalo_rama

Or he could be offered a multiyear deal at the qualifying amount, which we might not want to be stuck with. And considering the number of teams clearing major cap space, they're bound to try to fill it somehow. If Detroit would overpay for Villanueva and Gordon, who's to say the Knicks won't overpay for Foye if they fail to bring in James or Wade?

I think it all depends on who we draft and who else we can sign.

Posted by: segastyle | February 18, 2010 1:45 AM | Report abuse

This salary dumping has got me thinking...

The thing that makes me worried in this salary dump is that, after some big names, there's a lot of good but not super-star players. Let's assume that James, Wade, Bryant, and Nowitzki aren't coming to DC. That would mean the three biggest players left out there are Bosh, Joe Johnson, and possibly Stoudemire.

After that there's David Lee and Boozer. Then there's a bunch of solid but not great players, or once great players on a real decline.

There's a couple of decent restricted guys out there, like Landry or Gay.

So the question becomes how do you sell the team to one of those top 3? Stoudemire seems like he wants to go to a team with another great player. I can totally see him going to Miami to play with Wade. Bosh I can see wanting the be the guy for his team. Johnson has such a good thing going right now in Atlanta, with good, young teammates, I can't imagine him bolting unless they refuse to pay him.

So I think the key is to try and sell to Bosh. Cleveland is no longer a player in the free agent market. If Stoudemire goes to Miami with Wade, they're out. New York is the biggest name with the biggest money, but they've also clearly mismanaged their team even worse than the Wizards over the last few years.

So our play is, you are THE guy. And we have a great scoring guard to play alongside you. We also might have a very high draft pick. And we at least have the ability to go over the cap to resign Foye and Miller, good complementary players. And if we sign Bosh to a max contract, there is still some money left over to possibly get a guy like Camby, or even Haywood back to play center.

I dunno. Other than that scenario, or a magical trade of Arenas, I think not trading Butler and Jamison last season is going to haunt us for a while.

Posted by: segastyle | February 18, 2010 1:45 AM | Report abuse

You have to wonder if Teddy's being consulted on some of these moves. If not, by the time he takes control of the team the roster might consist of a few security guards at Verizon Center, a dishwasher from the club level restaurant and a local bag lady....

Posted by: randysbailin | February 18, 2010 1:49 AM | Report abuse

"I don't think he'll be offered that much by any team next year. Granted, he's been on some bad teams the last couple of years, but his output still has declined and he's turning 30 tomorrow. I'd imagine he'll either get offered a good 1-2 year deal up to 8 mil per, or more likely, take a longer term (3-4) deal averaging about 6+ mil a year."

Posted by: segastyle | February 18, 2010 1:04 AM

I totaling agree w/that assessment. Which is why I would love to see the Wiz bring Miller back. A self-less veteran like him is great to have around young players and his flexibility means he could fit in with any FA that they add in 2010 or more likely 2011.

Posted by: SportzWiz | February 18, 2010 2:24 AM | Report abuse

I think this trade is much better than the Dallas trade because clearing cap space is not enough, you need to leave open some possibility of a young aquisition blossoming w/your team.

That's why I like this deal despite the #30 pick probably being the worst pick in the NBA (you get the same level player as a second rounder only you have to give him a guaranteed deal). Al Thornton could turn out to be something and the Wiz managed to make use out of a guy (Gooden) who they were just going to buyout anyway.

The truth about Thornton is he will probably be a younger version of Butler. Either he focuses and becomes like Butler was 2 years ago or he continues to be a knucklehead and plays more like Butler did at the start of this season.

I won't bother to discuss the financial benefits because most of you either understand them already or have no hope of understanding NBA business. I'll just say that in the NBA there is never a trade where all the teams involved get quality alone. You either have to eat bad contracts or take less value in return for financial help.

Posted by: SportzWiz | February 18, 2010 2:39 AM | Report abuse

Thank you Wizards for handing the Cavs a Championship in 2010! Jamison for a 2nd rounder is a steal. Now please buy out Big Z's contract so we can get him a ring too..

Posted by: LebronMVPCavsCHAMPS | February 18, 2010 3:09 AM | Report abuse

"Or he could be offered a multiyear deal at the qualifying amount, which we might not want to be stuck with. And considering the number of teams clearing major cap space, they're bound to try to fill it somehow. If Detroit would overpay for Villanueva and Gordon, who's to say the Knicks won't overpay for Foye if they fail to bring in James or Wade?"

Gordon was a 20 ppg scorer coming of a scintillating playoff performance. Villanueva is a big man who can score. Foye is a smallish combo guard coming off a so-so season with the most disappointing team in then NBA. Apples and oranges. And overpaying for guys like Foye is what helped put the NBA into the financial straits it's in right now.

Posted by: kalo_rama | February 18, 2010 8:24 AM | Report abuse

What are all you guys gripping about, Al Thornton is Baller!!!! GOOD TRADE!!

Posted by: Cartaldo | February 18, 2010 9:05 AM | Report abuse

I am glad for AJ. Sucks he had to go to Cleveland but if anyone deserves a chance to win, it's AJ. And we get salary cap relief and a draft pick.

Posted by: tundey | February 18, 2010 9:08 AM | Report abuse

1 - very very very sad that AJ is gone and I hope he finds happiness with the Cavs.
2 - very sad Haywood is gone, but good luck to him.
3 - good riddance to Tough Juice. If he wants out, if he can't commit to playing in the team scope, if you go against your words to the team and community..F-OFF!!
4-loved the game last night. It was good to see the team ebb and flow thru mistakes and learning to play together.
5- J-Ho and Thornton are solid additions...could they mesh w/ Arenas?

thanks for putting this somber peice together Mike.

Posted by: leopsan | February 18, 2010 9:42 AM | Report abuse

PG - Foye
SG - Miller
SF - Thorton
PF - Blatche
C - McGee

6th - Howard
Bench - Young
Bench - Skinner
Bench - Boykins
Bench - McGuire

This is not a bad team! .500 at best, young, and athletic..

We need to see more of Howard in his present state, but I think I would prefer Howard in the 3 spot more than Thornton. Both extremely athletic but Howard can be a much better defender (w/ decent offense) to go with Miller's shooting and offensive skill set.

Thornton is very offensive minded and athletic - kinda reminds me a little bit (just a little) young athletic Jamison. His game fits the 6th man perfectly right now.

Posted by: TakinAWiz | February 18, 2010 11:20 AM | Report abuse

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