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Wizards-Knicks postgame wrapup

By Gene Wang  |  February 26, 2010; 11:30 PM ET
 
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That was a fun game to watch, what a shame about us getting reffed-up.

Posted by: closg | February 27, 2010 5:48 AM | Report abuse

I guess we did sort of get 'reffed-up' in that one, although the game could easily have gone Washington's way. People keep saying Randy Foye isn't a true PG, but 10 assists and only a few TOs might suggest otherwise. His real weakness is on the defensive end, and even that isn't due to lack of effort. He can be pressured by a good defender in a way that Chris Paul or Steve Nash can't, but once again, that's in comparison to the very best.

Back for a moment to this tall vs short PG discussion: it's true that most of the really good PGs have been of average height (NBA guard average, that is), or even shorter. Also true that the position itself requires speed and skill above all else. Nonetheless you can argue that a taller man who meets the speed/skill requirements has an advantage. Not just the hoary 'he can see over the defense' argument, which is overstated, but the ability to post up those smaller defenders, forcing the opposing coach to adjust. Of course I'm thinking of majestic guys like Magic and Oscar, who were so talented they could have played three or four different positions.

A player like Shaun Livingston really might have been something. Never a great athlete -- he had maybe a 30" max vertical jump and was 'NA' on the bench press -- or shooter, he nonetheless had a skill set that few guards possess and a standing reach that exceeded Blake Griffin's. If you played basketball, you know what a challenge a guy like that is for a 6'3" defender.

It's all academic, of course, because Livingston will never be that player, and is now just working for the check and the love of it.

Posted by: Samson151 | February 27, 2010 7:19 AM | Report abuse

I know it's early,but the draft is about a hundred days away.Assuming we don't get a top 2 pick, point guard probably won't be an option with our 1st pick.It's painfully obvious we need more inside presence and what I mean by that is teams like the
Knicks cannot continuously score 115 pts. plus against us for us to have any chance to compete at an elite level. We need a hammer inside with an NBA-ready body to make this team relevent again.
Step 1: Grab Whiteside or Cousins for our center position and dump Ober

Posted by: Raef | February 27, 2010 9:31 AM | Report abuse

CONTINUED.....
Dump Oberto.
Step 2:Trade the Kings pick we have next year and the 30th pick we acquired from Cleveland and try and move into the mid to late teens and draft Larry Sanders.
Step 3:Draft the best available point guard or combo maybe a Greivis Vasquez.
If a trade does not present itself in step 2, grab your future point guard with the 30th, and take either a PF with the skill set to play D and hustle to back up Blatche, or Vasquez. Vasquez will bring us a young Gnobli-type player with a hi IQ for the game, and the hustle and endurance this team needs. Anyway you cut it, our rookies next year wont be able to come in and dominate, but if we get young players to come in and play defense, check opposing players hard,and bang the boards, maybe it's not out of the realm that we could be in the playoff hunt next year, and pony up the money to grab the Durantula the following summer.

Posted by: Raef | February 27, 2010 9:56 AM | Report abuse

"If by chance this Team decides to keep Gilbert or not, we better have and need first rate point guard play and awls' iams' uh' sayin' iz' we oughta not be to quick to throw Javaris in the shat' heap, cause he is really the best point guard that we have right now.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | February 27, 2010 12:41 AM | Report abuse "

This is genius right here.

Everybody better recognize.

BTW, please keep the ebonics to a minimum.

It's not helping you emphasize your point, whatever that may be.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | February 27, 2010 8:56 AM

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | February 27, 2010 10:29 AM | Report abuse

LOL DC_MAN88.

Just shows what you know.

Dems' not ebonics smarty pants. Dem' dar' words ain't nuthin' but good ole' southern twang'.

As my daddy always says, "Son if you don't know, you beddar' ask somebody."

Ebonics, Hah, Hah, you like dumpin' on black doncha'.

You remind me of Bill Cosby. In his old age he attributes unwittingly negative traits to blacks when the fact of the matter those negative traits he is talking about is universal.

So before you drape Ebonics over Southern dialect you mit' wanna' fin' out whut' dey' iz' are'.

DC_MAN88, get your stuff together man, and then maybe you can holla at a Big Dog like you know a little something.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | February 27, 2010 10:32 AM | Report abuse

Larry whad dup this a.m. Looks like we got the place to ourselves.

Posted by: glawrence007 | February 27, 2010 10:33 AM | Report abuse

Any word on JAMES SINGLETON?

Posted by: glawrence007 | February 27, 2010 10:34 AM | Report abuse

As much as I like M Miller he doesn't seem to get that this incredibly depleted team needs him to be more aggressive and greedy offensively. Unless he gets a totally open look, he doesn't take a shot. Someone commented a few days ago that his drive-and-kick game has no credibility because the defense knows he's not going to take it aggressively all the way to the rack. He's a nice player to have on your team, but I don't see the Wiz paying him big bucks to stick around next year.

Posted by: jweber1 | February 27, 2010 10:34 AM | Report abuse

Teams beat wiz in diffrent form. Themost significant one is difficultyof scoring in the moneyquarter.r.foyeis not a go to man when it comes to penetration.he rather turn it over instade of going to rim,his slowness is his enamy to be one of the weakest PG in diffence and penetration.He cannot be a starting Pg in any contending team.If EG thinks like that he is still in denail on his previous mistakes.If lotery is not helping us to pick the two best PG in this draft,we are going to see another 22 game winningseason probably for 2 to 3 years.With this young team excuding Arenas, if we draft one of the two PG, get a front court experianced player as a glue for the defense ,consoludate the front court with a big center in the late 1st round and sign singlton the team will be a play of team with a chance of future development.No need to sign MM unless hetakes less than 3 million, RF will not go any where,if he try to go let him go.Draft a SG from the second round.It is allways easy to fill SGand SF position in NBA.

Posted by: gtefferra | February 27, 2010 10:39 AM | Report abuse

Man, I would re-up SINGLETON right now. Get him ready for next year. Points in the paint, rebounds, blocks, solid picks, bodies flying, just the type of inside game we never had with the big three. Of course we don't have a steady 20 and 10 each night, but I see the potential for 12-10 if JS gets some extended PT in a WIZARDS uni. Maybe the azz-clowns on ESPN would notice the difference, but then again maybe not.

Posted by: glawrence007 | February 27, 2010 10:39 AM | Report abuse

"As much as I like M Miller he doesn't seem to get that this incredibly depleted team needs him to be more aggressive and greedy offensively."

It's pretty obvious to me that he's just not that guy. He enjoys being a facilitator, but he needs to flesh out his game and be aggressive when it's called for. Pretty one-dimensional right now. I don't think we resign him unless he takes a lot less money. Can't see it.

Posted by: glawrence007 | February 27, 2010 10:43 AM | Report abuse

@jweber1,

It was indicated that this weakness in MM's game wasn't changed by his two previous Teams. It's said that MM hasn't and won't adjust his game.

If he can't then I am with you, he's got to go. However, to me it is all about coaching. I just cannot believe that a coach cannot get through to that boys head to adjust his game to his strengths.

A couple of well reputed bloggers here seem to indicate he can't change.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | February 27, 2010 10:45 AM | Report abuse

So Jordan reached a deal last night to buy the Bobcats. Wonder how the value of that franchise will determine the arbitrator's work in setting a value for the Wizards?

This should be a good sign for Leonsis.

Posted by: jcbcmb68 | February 27, 2010 10:56 AM | Report abuse

...He just needs to face the fact that his "friend" was a President/GM in absentia of a team and other than getting rid of Howard, which probably any GM could have done, neer accomplished anything. Jordan was a great player, horrible front office person. The expectations was high when he came aboard and he literally set the franchise back about a decade when he drafted Kwame Brown. Now those of you celebrating his accomplishements in Charlotte, please realize he doesn't run that team from a day to day basis, infact he is barely around. Its taken him nearly 5 years to put together a .500 club with veteran players pushing 30. They have zero young players in the pipeline. He's not even going to be able to buy the team because he doesn't have that kind of money. He likes to play with other peoples money not his own. He is not a billionaire and is having difficulty putting together investors. Jordan perhaps in the top 3 greatest players of all time, no doubt. NBA Executive probably among the worst in the league. Here's Jordan's hand picked players since 2006: Adam Morrisson, Ryan Hollins, Brandan Wright, Jared Dudley, D.J. Augustin, Alexis Ajinca, Kyle Weaver, Gerald Henderson, Derrick Brown and Robert Vaden. Wow, now thats a list of greatness.

Posted by: ElBigChroizo | February 26, 2010 12:03 PM

When I read this a few blogs back, I assumed that this was for me, for I had brought up Michael's attempt to by the Cat's in explanations of the sale between the Pollins and Mr. Leonsis.

ElBigChroizo, that fellow in Houston that was also trying to buy the Cats, whom I suppose you thought would succeed with his bigger bankroll, GUESS WHAT!!!

MICHAEL JORDAN JUST REACHED AGREEMENT TO BUY THE CHARLOTTE BOBCATS.

If you had egg for breadfast this morning I hope you smeared it all over your face.

Hah Hah. Hah Hah.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | February 27, 2010 10:56 AM | Report abuse

Forget the Mike Miller discussions!Dump Oberto!
Neither is an athlete, nor do they deserve the money they are making.Bring in athletes to play an athletic game. Grab Whiteside or Cousins at C, Willie Warren or Sherron Collins at the point, and Vasquez as a combo. That's how we get better and deeper.

Posted by: Raef | February 27, 2010 10:58 AM | Report abuse

Mike Miller's thirty years old and is what he is. Trying to change his game at this stage of of his career is only going to lead to frustration and many sleepless nights for Flip. I suspect that Miller has a better handle on his strengths and weaknesses than we do and plays the way he does for many reasons.
When the team attempts to resign him this summer (and they will), the dollar amount better be based on his doing exactly what he's doing now because he will not morph into an agressive, take-no-prisoners-type scorer. As others have said with regard to Miller, think glue - not granite.

Posted by: gimmedat | February 27, 2010 11:03 AM | Report abuse

@GLawrence007,

It's a great day.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | February 27, 2010 11:07 AM | Report abuse

Where was the scoring from Blatche in the OT or the 4th quarter for that matter - say what you want about Gil or Antawn, they would take the shot(s) - nobody was doing that except for of all people, McGee. Blatche has got to assert himself if he is going to be the man, consequences be dammed

Posted by: h20law2000 | February 27, 2010 11:18 AM | Report abuse

Aside from the fact that most in here get that MM is what he is, the problem I see is that he can't just get his shot off when he wants. It's not all about his mindset. While he is fairly athletic, he does not possess superior quickness or jumping ability. You'll notice that most defenders can stay right on his hip on his drives and provide enough pressure that he is compelled to kick it out and he can't shoot over defenders very easily either. It would be nice if we had set plays to try and get him some open looks, but either those plays aren't working bc the other team knows not the leave him open or we just aren't trying hard enough. Put MM on say the Lakers and he would get 4/5 easy three pointers a game and would terrorize the league, but we obviously no longer have enough players for the other team to worry about for him to get those type of shots game after game. The same situation he was in in MN and Memphis. He may be paid like a top 3 or 4 player on a team, but, in reality, he is just a very nice complimentary player and an overpaid one to boot.

Posted by: rphilli721 | February 27, 2010 11:21 AM | Report abuse

CONTRACTS for 2010-2011 currently on the books:

ARENAS---$17,730,694

HOWARD---$11,835,000 (team option)
FOYE-----$04,795,095 (80% scale offer)
BLATCHE--$03,260,331
THORNTON-$02,814,196
YOUNG----$02,630,503
McGEE----$01,601,040
ROSS-----$01,146,337 (player option)

TOTAL TEAM obligation minus ARENAS and exceptions:

$10,306,070
$17,730,694-ARENAS
___________
$28,036,764
$02,100,000-SINGLETON
___________
$30,136,764 in 2010-11.
+ FOYE's scale offer and ROSS's player option, maybe 36-37 million more or less.

In regard to the exceptions, EG signed ARENAS when he was injured and look where that got us. I can't see an offer to HOWARD at all.

I gotta' believe that FOYE is matched to scale even if we aim a dozen newbie #1's at him. Vet presence is needed unless they land DWAYNE WADE. What's the chances of that? LOL. I think they should target ERIC MAYNOR.

I'm thinking maybe ROSS tests FA rather than re-sign a 1,146,000+ contract.

Expiring contracts:

MILLER-Re-up only if a dramatic pay-cut. Highly unlikely.
JAMES-No.
OBERTO-Depending upon SINGLETON/trades/draft between now and the new season.
CRITTENTON-No.
BOYKINS-Same as OBERTO.
SINGLETON-YES!!!!!!!!!
DAVIS-Depends upon his development by the deadline.
HARRIS-No.
LIVINGSTON-No.

So I see only one definite player from the expiring list, SINGLETON whose current salary is $1,030,189. Sign him for three, and aim him right at OBERTO's slot and money $2,100,000.

With 36-37 million committed that leaves us $32.9-$33.9 under this year's cap. Of course, next year's won't be known for awhile, but I bet it's less than this year's.

Posted by: glawrence007 | February 27, 2010 11:29 AM | Report abuse

Where was the scoring from Blatche in the OT or the 4th quarter for that matter - say what you want about Gil or Antawn, they would take the shot(s) - nobody was doing that except for of all people, McGee. Blatche has got to assert himself if he is going to be the man, consequences be dammed

Posted by: h20law2000 | February 27, 2010 11:18 AM


Blatche is solid, but he is playing more minutes than he ever has and is probably getting winded. We need more dependable depth at the 4 and 5 spot. Ernie will fix that in the draft and hopefully Dre will come in next year in better shape because expectations will be greater. Bottom line: He needs more help and has not realized his full potential.

Posted by: Raef | February 27, 2010 11:30 AM | Report abuse

Blatche is solid, but he is playing more minutes than he ever has and is probably getting winded. We need more dependable depth at the 4 and 5 spot. Ernie will fix that in the draft and hopefully Dre will come in next year in better shape because expectations will be greater. Bottom line: He needs more help and has not realized his full potential.

Posted by: Raef | February 27, 2010 11:30 AM | Report abuse

Check. Both he and JM were bent over grabbing their shorts panting like dogs on a summer day last night in the fourth and the O.T.

Posted by: glawrence007 | February 27, 2010 11:43 AM | Report abuse

BTW did I see some synergy developing between McGEE and BLATCHE last night.? Maybe the long awaited development of the future in D.C. has finally begun. Amazing what necessity can do.

Posted by: glawrence007 | February 27, 2010 11:45 AM | Report abuse

"Bottom line: He needs more help and has not realized his full potential."

Hasn't that been the story on Blatche since he was drafted?

He's solid, but would play better with another big man playing center full time.

I thought McGee playing with a chip on his shoulder last night made him a better player period.

I thought that was the best game he ever played as a Wizard.

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | February 27, 2010 11:49 AM | Report abuse

"Amazing what necessity can do."

And a half way decent coach.

Remember Taps was here last year.

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | February 27, 2010 11:50 AM | Report abuse

Check. Both he and JM were bent over grabbing their shorts panting like dogs on a summer day last night in the fourth and the O.T.

Posted by: glawrence007 | February 27, 2010 11:43 AM

And Oberto? What was he doing? Let me guess. Nothing?

Posted by: Raef | February 27, 2010 11:52 AM | Report abuse

Hasn't that been the story on Blatche since he was drafted?

Ray, he is maturing.The guy came from high school.At least we didn't spend a # 1 pick on him in the draft. He has had some tough incidents since being drafted. Development at the teen level, is as equally important mentally as physically. This guy has come a long way and will only get better. Let's face it, do we really have anyone better? He won't be going anywhere any time soon. I believe once we add more talent around him and JM, this team only gets more exciting to watch with plenty of upside.

Posted by: Raef | February 27, 2010 12:06 PM | Report abuse

"Grab Whiteside or Cousins at C, Willie Warren or Sherron Collins at the point, and Vasquez as a combo. That's how we get better and deeper.
Posted by: Raef"

Whiteside is already two years older than the typical frosh and yet he's raw as sushi. Collins is not six feet tall. And Vasquez is, well, you've seen him play.

If you got Cousins and Warren, you might have something to look forward to.

Posted by: Samson151 | February 27, 2010 12:54 PM | Report abuse

"I thought McGee playing with a chip on his shoulder last night made him a better player period."

Agreed. He came out looking like he had something to prove. Maybe Flip should hire someone to sneak into his house every night and let the air out of his tires or set his click back, so he's late to practice more often.

Posted by: kalo_rama | February 27, 2010 1:02 PM | Report abuse

"It was indicated that this weakness in MM's game wasn't changed by his two previous Teams."

And where is it indicated that unselfishness and a desire to make teammates better is a "weakness"?

Posted by: kalo_rama | February 27, 2010 1:09 PM | Report abuse

"Back for a moment to this tall vs short PG discussion: it's true that most of the really good PGs have been of average height (NBA guard average, that is), or even shorter. Also true that the position itself requires speed and skill above all else. Nonetheless you can argue that a taller man who meets the speed/skill requirements has an advantage."

Sure. But you could also argue that a strong low-post 7 footer with guard-like ball skills has an advantage. But how often does that happen? About as often as a 6' 7" PG with blazing speed and quickness. Hell, if anything, big men with good handle are more likely than big PGs with small PG quickness and court vision.

"Of course I'm thinking of majestic guys like Magic and Oscar, who were so talented they could have played three or four different positions."

Clearly that's what everyone is thinking of when they obsess over goliath PGs. But the simple fact is that those guys are ridiculously rare, and none, I mean NONE, of the "next Magic Johnsons" that have come down the pike sense have come anywhere close. It's fool's gold.

Posted by: kalo_rama | February 27, 2010 1:17 PM | Report abuse

"Ernie will fix that in the draft and hopefully Dre will come in next year in better shape because expectations will be greater."

Blatche has been singing that tune every season he's been here, and every season he fails to walk the walk.

Posted by: kalo_rama | February 27, 2010 1:20 PM | Report abuse

Whiteside is already two years older than the typical frosh and yet he's raw as sushi. Collins is not six feet tall. And Vasquez is, well, you've seen him play
Posted by: Samson151 | February 27, 2010 12:54 PM

I never said he was 6' tall, but Boykins is 5'5 and I believe he would be a major upgrade. As far as Vasuez is concerned, I have watched him play and I do believe he would add quality depth to our team. As far as Whiteside is concered, since when do we not consider a RAW 21 year old rookie with upside to help with the interior defense and rebounding? Just asking...

Posted by: Raef | February 27, 2010 1:23 PM | Report abuse

Blatche has been singing that tune every season he's been here, and every season he fails to walk the walk.

Posted by: kalo_rama | February 27, 2010 1:20 PM

Is he failing now?

Posted by: Raef | February 27, 2010 1:24 PM | Report abuse

And Oberto? What was he doing? Let me guess. Nothing?

Posted by: Raef | February 27, 2010 11:52 AM | Report abuse

That would be a rog' good buddy. Of course, you can't do much from the bench either. Hey 1-1 in the shooting department. That's big for OBERTO.

Posted by: glawrence007 | February 27, 2010 1:43 PM | Report abuse

If anyone on this blog can tell me if there is any chance to ship Arenas to Orland and get Brandon Bass here I would appreciate it. I'm not saying it will happen, but I cant think of any other players they have that they would be wiling to part with or that we would be willing to take to make this happen.The contracts aren't close enough without other players involved. We could really use that guy because he battles for the ball and can add some am scoring as well. This team needs to get much more tenacious on defense and the hustle for loose balls. Any suggestions would be appreciated.

Posted by: Raef | February 27, 2010 1:56 PM | Report abuse

The TNT fat man has never said good a single thing about wiz.He used to be critical on some players including Buttler, now he clearly focused his negative arsenal to wards the organnization.The only thing i saw him run very well is not commenting on NBA games, he is good in running food commercials.
I think TNT has to question his intergtity.
are they testing him daily before he enter to the station?

Posted by: gtefferra | February 26, 2010 12:11 PM


The fat man would have plenty of good things to say about the Wiz, if we could have won more then 2 PLAYOFF SERIES in the last 28 years. I think I'll listen to what Barkley has to say over a bunch of delusional Wiz fans. Funny stuff from Kenny and Charles and I'm happy Caron has a chance to contribute on a playoff team.


Hey Caron, from a former fan, Fu, seriously. Nobody, I'll repeat, nobody, needs to stand by and let ignorant things be said. Would you stand by when a girl was kicked or abused on the street too? Would you stand there and watch an old man or woman get beaten? Would you join in? All you have to do is call out the ignorance of barkley, obviously a punk full of himself. Right there, to his face. Are you are a man, or a mouse? Mouse, I think. There is an historic name for that, Judas. Caron, 6 minutes, just lost all respect for you, dude. I'll remember next time you are in DC for a game. Welcome back to the NBA, what's that crap?. Who was out on the court, me, Abe, Ernie, or you? So you prove now who you are, supporting character to others, no leader. Notice how we are winning here now you are gone. We beat Denver, and we have to listen to you giggle like a school girl about welcome back to the NBA? Good riddance, you, your underacheiving for the past 2 years, and your fat contract. We have some hungry basketball players here now to enjoy, who bring it every night. Now that's the NBA. Hey stern, how is it that you don't find this barkley crap insulting to you and a detriment to the league?

Posted by: ragtop4spd | February 26, 2010 7:11 PM

FU Caron? Are you crazy? Who's ignorant now? Ignorant things being said by Charles and Kenny. What was so wrong about what they said? I thought it was pretty funny. I'm a Wiz fan, but I'm not a CRAZY Wiz fan. I enjoy the game of basketball, but I'm not going to let the terrible Wiz ruin my enjoyment of the game. This is the best the NBA has been since Jordan retired in 98' and it's unfortunate the Wiz still haven't gotten their act together.

I think I also saw someone say it was good we didn't get Brandon Jennings or Stephen Curry. WTF? I guess it was good we didn't get Dejuan Blair either. If we had Blair and either Jennings or Curry the Wiz would've already had a major jump on the rebuilding process. Knicks win oh well, can't wait til the playoffs start.

Posted by: wizfan81 | February 27, 2010 2:04 PM | Report abuse

Blatche will fail. Underachievers almost always do. Playing well an putting up numbers is not what our league is about. It's about winning and knowing what it takes to win. Blatche will fail this test. Heard it here first folks.

Posted by: horace1 | February 27, 2010 2:06 PM | Report abuse

i can't believe people are complaining about blatche. he's improved dramatically, works hards (with a few exceptions), and is more than holding his own. he's the best development for the team the whole year.

of course he's not perfect, or even close. but let's lower the bar just a little bit.

Posted by: stevie2 | February 27, 2010 2:49 PM | Report abuse

"I never said he was 6' tall, but Boykins is 5'5 and I believe he would be a major upgrade. As far as Vasuez is concerned, I have watched him play and I do believe he would add quality depth to our team. As far as Whiteside is concered, since when do we not consider a RAW 21 year old rookie with upside to help with the interior defense and rebounding? Just asking...Posted by: Raef"

I think it's important to remember that certain of the current Wiz -- Miller, Foye, Oberto, and even later, Boykins -- were obtained to meet specific needs in a veteran, contending club that simply failed to emerge. Now the key elements of that club are gone and those players are making do in an environment of eager kids and third-tier vets. All four would have some value to a real contender, but it looks unlikely they'll get the chance. So they're simply making the best of it.

Foye seems to fit pretty well in the offensive scheme, and Miller would probably fit pretty well anywhere but in Minnesota, so maybe one or the other is around next season (or maybe not). Hard to envision Boykins or Oberto here.

As far as raw kids with plenty of upside, we have a few of those now, don't we?

Posted by: Samson151 | February 27, 2010 2:50 PM | Report abuse

Almost forgot: Vasquez might be a better fit in the pros than in the ACC. He'd be a decent second round choice. Collins is certainly a good scorer. Either one might be worth a later pick. But the next Ginobili or Tony Parker? That'd be a stretch.

Posted by: Samson151 | February 27, 2010 2:55 PM | Report abuse

"Back for a moment to this tall vs short PG discussion: it's true that most of the really good PGs have been of average height (NBA guard average, that is), or even shorter. Also true that the position itself requires speed and skill above all else. Nonetheless you can argue that a taller man who meets the speed/skill requirements has an advantage."

Sure. But you could also argue that a strong low-post 7 footer with guard-like ball skills has an advantage. But how often does that happen? About as often as a 6' 7" PG with blazing speed and quickness. Hell, if anything, big men with good handle are more likely than big PGs with small PG quickness and court vision.

Posted by: kalo_rama | February 27, 2010 1:17 PM | Report abuse

They're not necessarily looking for the 6'7"-6'9" next Magic anymore, they're looking for the very athletic 6'4" - 6'5" guy. The flawed theory being that you can't teach athleticism and height, but maybe you can teach those guys to be PGs. They keep trying for the same reason NFL teams go after guys with 4.3 speed, because if you find one who can actually play the position, they have a good chance to be a game-changer, because height is an advantage on both ends of the floor if other aspects are roughly equal.

The problem is that most of those guys, like Crit, don't know how to run a team. Which is why some of the smaller guys who have grown up running teams or are more natural floor generals, eventually show through. But teams in all sports will always gamble on the potential inherent in 'measurables'.

You see it in this year's guys in the draft. John Wall, obviously, but he's just a special talent. But then you get to guys like Willie Warren, Malcolm Lee, and Iman Shumpert. Their scouting reports read very much the same....Great size, great athlete, questionable basketball IQ or 'can he be a point?'

And you always get the counter-argument with the smaller guys....'undersized, who will he guard, can he get his shot off in the pros?' despite ample evidence that the smaller guys 5'11" - 6'1" are getting it done.

Posted by: ts35 | February 27, 2010 2:59 PM | Report abuse

And getting back to last night's game....good lord did T-Mac get a lot of calls for someone who hasn't played all season.

It's not the only reason the Wiz lost, but man it sure didn't help.

Posted by: ts35 | February 27, 2010 3:00 PM | Report abuse

"I think I also saw someone say it was good we didn't get Brandon Jennings or Stephen Curry. WTF? I guess it was good we didn't get Dejuan Blair either. If we had Blair and either Jennings or Curry the Wiz would've already had a major jump on the rebuilding process."Posted by: wizfan81

Well, I for one would like to have all three of those guys. Jennings is the real surprise in the group. But Curry is as predicted, a very good fit with Don Nelson. About Blair: he's played like a man on a mission, but the question was always his durability. You talk about the rebuilding process, you don't count on a guy with no hamstrings.

Posted by: Samson151 | February 27, 2010 3:01 PM | Report abuse

I think McGrady has dramatically changed the Knicks. Just having him on the floor opens things up for D'Antoni. That's why that supposed one and a half point spread last night was a joke. The Knicks are just better than they were a month ago. A guy like Al Harrington has more opportunities because of Tracy's offensive presence.

Of course, it all hangs on some very gimpy legs.

Posted by: Samson151 | February 27, 2010 3:03 PM | Report abuse

"You see it in this year's guys in the draft. John Wall, obviously, but he's just a special talent. But then you get to guys like Willie Warren, Malcolm Lee, and Iman Shumpert. Their scouting reports read very much the same....Great size, great athlete, questionable basketball IQ or 'can he be a point?'

That's what made the pre-injury Livingston so unusual -- he really is a point guard.

Posted by: Samson151 | February 27, 2010 3:06 PM | Report abuse

That's right, you read it right. And I have photo of me, my wife, Caron, and DeShawn up on the mantle. And I've heard kidding about the Wizards for decades and have been alrgiht with it. But when someone has been here several years, and has been embraced the entire time, and then sits there and giggles with numbnuts but doesn't say anything when he hears "welcome back to the NBA", after supposedly writing a heartfelt farewell to the town, that's as wrong as it gets. In fact, since barkley is a buffoon anyway, I actually agree it is mildly funny. All Caron had to do was add how good DC was to him. Unless he disagreed, then he could have added, "thank God I'm out of that hellhole". Either way, he just needs to stand up and be honest. Same thing as when politicians sit with far-out there (either side) talk show hosts who warp the truth for a living, and don't call them on any of their truth warping, because they want/need something from them. It's not the joke that bothers me; it's the betrayal of DC by Coron, simply by his silence. Quotation books are full of famous quotes about silence in the face of adversity or inappropriate talk. The silence when the opportunity comes up for you to even politely defend something that means something to you is cowardice. Basketball is simply a game, and frankly, I don't care about that. It's about the integrity, and I always care about that.

Posted by: ragtop4spd | February 27, 2010 3:07 PM | Report abuse

i can't believe people are complaining about blatche. he's improved dramatically, works hards (with a few exceptions), and is more than holding his own. he's the best development for the team the whole year.

of course he's not perfect, or even close. but let's lower the bar just a little bit.

Posted by: stevie2
the bar is knowing how to and doing the things you MUST do to win. i say he won't

Posted by: horace1 | February 27, 2010 4:28 PM | Report abuse

I thought the Knicks game was another embarrassment, as far as the seeming ability of the Knicks big men to score at will. The last play of the OT was an example of that, where the Knick won the game on a layup. Ouch.

I was just checking out the rule on 10-day contracts, on Larry Coon's FAQ's. Here it is:


"67. What is a 10-day contract?

A 10-day contract is just that, a player contract which lasts ten days (or three games, whichever comes later). A team may sign a player to two 10-day contracts in one season (they may or may not be consecutive). After the second 10-day contract, the team can only retain the player by signing him for the remainder of the season. A team can't have more 10-day contracts than they have players on their Inactive List. Ten-day contracts are available to be used starting January 5 (or the first business day thereafter) each season."

I was surprised that the Wizards could do a 10-day contract to bring in Livingston, when they hadn't bought out or just released Mike James yet. So now they have 16 on their roster again. Who is on their "inactive list"? Obviously Josh Howard. What about the suspended guys and Mike James? I'm wondering whether the Wizards could do a third 10-day contract to bring in a big man.

Posted by: PostSubscriber | February 27, 2010 4:52 PM | Report abuse

Gilbert and Crit I believe are on the inactive list because of the suspensions. Mike James is not however. He's not injured or anything, he's just not with the team. Because of Howard, they should be down to 13 active players, with 3 inactive. They've already signed Harris and Livingston, so they should have one more 10-day contract slot if I understand the rule.

Posted by: ts35 | February 27, 2010 5:23 PM | Report abuse

That's what made the pre-injury Livingston so unusual -- he really is a point guard.

Posted by: Samson151

Yes, Livingston was definitely more out of the "Magic" mold. He was very, very big for the position. He wasn't exceptionally quick, but made up for it with his size. And he did have more than legit point guard skills. Not in Magic's class obviously, but maybe a level or two better than someone like Jalen Rose.

Posted by: ts35 | February 27, 2010 5:27 PM | Report abuse

Why not give Sean Williams a 10 day contract? We have nothing to lose, he was a 1st round pick 2 years ago and he is close to 7 ft tall. If he does not pan out, oh well. If he does it was a steal.

Posted by: Raef | February 27, 2010 5:27 PM | Report abuse

"I think I also saw someone say it was good we didn't get Brandon Jennings or Stephen Curry. WTF? I guess it was good we didn't get Dejuan Blair either. If we had Blair and either Jennings or Curry the Wiz would've already had a major jump on the rebuilding process."Posted by: wizfan81

Well, I for one would like to have all three of those guys. Jennings is the real surprise in the group. But Curry is as predicted, a very good fit with Don Nelson. About Blair: he's played like a man on a mission, but the question was always his durability. You talk about the rebuilding process, you don't count on a guy with no hamstrings.

Posted by: Samson151

I'm still not sold on Jennings as a player who can lead a team anywhere. The only thing that I think is at all surprising about Curry is his ability to function well as a PG in his rookie season. And obviously, it would be nice to have Blair right about now as part of the rotation with JM and AB. Or even if they hadn't blown everything up, he was the kind of tough player we needed.

He's actually playing without ACLs, he has hammies. His other ligaments, tendons and muscles have obviously grown to compensate. But you have to think that at the very least, his cartilege will wear faster than other players. Even so, considering he was had for a second round pick, it would have been worth the risk.

Posted by: ts35 | February 27, 2010 5:36 PM | Report abuse

"LOL DC_MAN88.

Just shows what you know.

Dems' not ebonics smarty pants. Dem' dar' words ain't nuthin' but good ole' southern twang'.

As my daddy always says, "Son if you don't know, you beddar' ask somebody."

Ebonics, Hah, Hah, you like dumpin' on black doncha'.

You remind me of Bill Cosby. In his old age he attributes unwittingly negative traits to blacks when the fact of the matter those negative traits he is talking about is universal.

So before you drape Ebonics over Southern dialect you mit' wanna' fin' out whut' dey' iz' are'.

DC_MAN88, get your stuff together man, and then maybe you can holla at a Big Dog like you know a little something.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | February 27, 2010 10:32 AM | Report abuse "

As Jackie Chan would say (Rush Hour):

"What's up my Nigga?"

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | February 27, 2010 5:44 PM | Report abuse

"He's actually playing without ACLs, he has hammies. His other ligaments, tendons and muscles have obviously grown to compensate. But you have to think that at the very least, his cartilege will wear faster than other players. Even so, considering he was had for a second round pick, it would have been worth the risk.Posted by: ts35"

LOL you're absolutely correct. But don't forget SA did have to pay first round dollars for him, at his insistence. So they're investment was slightly higher than expected.

But as part of a rebuilding process, you have to look at durability as a principal factor. I'm aware of other athletes who've played at a high level without ACLs (basically the same post-surgical reabsorption), but not NBA players. Blair may prove to be the exception -- he certainly has the incentive.

Posted by: Samson151 | February 27, 2010 5:44 PM | Report abuse

"And you always get the counter-argument with the smaller guys....'undersized, who will he guard, can he get his shot off in the pros?' despite ample evidence that the smaller guys 5'11" - 6'1" are getting it done.Posted by: ts35"

Depends on you define 'getting it done'. There is a price you pay when you put a 6 footer on an NBA court. Some are such adept players that they turn their size to an advantage.

That's why Boykins is such a marvel. You can't pick any bigger handicap than being six inches shorter than your shortest opponent. I understand he's freakish strong, and actually outmuscles people some of the time. Of course, we here in Washington disrespect him because he's a Wizard. We operate on the principle that if he was any good, he'd be playing somewhere else.

Posted by: Samson151 | February 27, 2010 5:54 PM | Report abuse

I can't believe that some of the people here are dogging Andray Blatche after what he has done over the last couple of weeks. All the man has done since the trade deadline is average something north of 20/10 per game. For Bog's sake, Blatche was a second round pick, and he is still only 23 years old. What exactly do you want or expect from him? Put the right support mechanism behind him and he will absolutely become a beast. Then again, the Wizards are a dysfunctional organization in flux without commited ownership, so who knows... Still, I would hope that the fans could and would appreciate the one young player that the team currently has who may develop into a real difference maker.

Then again from what I have seen on this blog, most of the posters here seem to take more pleasure from bitc*ing than from rooting for the players.

Posted by: thomas_kecskes | February 27, 2010 7:13 PM | Report abuse

I think Blatche has been playing great. However it would be nice to have a F/C who could spell Blatche or McGee and score some points too. Paul Davis seems like a logical one since he made the team this season, only to be cut to make room for Boykins. So Flip and the other coaches are familiar with Davis, and vice versa.

However, there are other options, such as Dwayne Jones. Just think how the Knicks game would have been different with Dwayne Jones there, instead of Shaun Livingston.
Take a look at his stats:

http://www.nba.com/dleague/playerfile/index.jsp?player=dwayne_jones

Posted by: PostSubscriber | February 27, 2010 8:34 PM | Report abuse

"I can't believe that some of the people here are dogging Andray Blatche after what he has done over the last couple of weeks. All the man has done since the trade deadline is average something north of 20/10 per game. For Bog's sake, Blatche was a second round pick"

See, if he lacked ACLs and had been picked by San Antonio, we'd be pining for him.

Posted by: Samson151 | February 27, 2010 9:31 PM | Report abuse

"I think Blatche has been playing great. However it would be nice to have a F/C who could spell Blatche or McGee and score some points too. Paul Davis seems like a logical one since he made the team this season, only to be cut to make room for Boykins. So Flip and the other coaches are familiar with Davis, and vice versa.

However, there are other options, such as Dwayne Jones. Just think how the Knicks game would have been different with Dwayne Jones there, instead of Shaun Livingston.
Take a look at his stats:

http://www.nba.com/dleague/playerfile/index.jsp?player=dwayne_jones

Posted by: PostSubscriber | February 27, 2010 8:34 PM | Report abuse "

Isn't that why EG got so giddy about signing Oberto?

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | February 27, 2010 9:34 PM | Report abuse

It will be interesting to see what happens this summer if Blatche continues to play well. He's going to want to renegotiate his contract, and the Wizards are well under the cap. Do you pay a guy $50 mil/5yrs for half a season of good work?

Posted by: djnnnou | February 27, 2010 10:31 PM | Report abuse

"Is he failing now?"

Too soon to tell. He's had a stretch of a few good games since the trades. But he's had stretches of a few good games before, which were always followed by even longer stretches of not so good games. His problem has always been consistency over a sustained period. It'll take more than six good games to put that to rest.

Posted by: kalo_rama | February 28, 2010 12:05 AM | Report abuse

"He's going to want to renegotiate his contract, and the Wizards are well under the cap. "

This is the NBA not the NFL. Players can't renegotiate existing contracts. He won't be seeing a pay raise until his current deal expires and he becomes a FA.

Posted by: kalo_rama | February 28, 2010 12:07 AM | Report abuse

"If anyone on this blog can tell me if there is any chance to ship Arenas to Orland and get Brandon Bass here I would appreciate it."

Bass was the guy I was hoping the Wiz would take a shot at in FA last summer. I really don't get why he's wasting away on Orlando's bench. As for Arenas, I could see where the Magic might be interested. One of the questions that the critics and analysts have been had about Orlando as real contenders was whether Nelson was good enough to be the lead guard on a title team. Even after he made the All-Star team, the question still lingered (and the fact that they got to the Finals without him didn't do much to dispel them).

All that being said, there's almost certainly no chance of such a deal happening.

Posted by: kalo_rama | February 28, 2010 12:36 AM | Report abuse

"If anyone on this blog can tell me if there is any chance to ship Arenas to Orland and get Brandon Bass here I would appreciate it."

Bass was the guy I was hoping the Wiz would take a shot at in FA last summer. I really don't get why he's wasting away on Orlando's bench. As for Arenas, I could see where the Magic might be interested. One of the questions that the critics and analysts have been had about Orlando as real contenders was whether Nelson was good enough to be the lead guard on a title team. Even after he made the All-Star team, the question still lingered (and the fact that they got to the Finals without him didn't do much to dispel them).

All that being said, there's almost certainly no chance of such a deal happening.

Posted by: kalo_rama | February 28, 2010 12:36 AM


Well, I appreciate your opinion. I have to agree. I believe the only way to get this done may be a 3 team trade, probably just wishful thinking. The March 26th court date will allow us to move forward with the dirction of the team. I guess the next debate on our future hinges on what the court decides what to do with the Arenas debacle.

Posted by: Raef | February 28, 2010 2:26 AM | Report abuse

Almost forgot: Vasquez might be a better fit in the pros than in the ACC. He'd be a decent second round choice. Collins is certainly a good scorer. Either one might be worth a later pick. But the next Ginobili or Tony Parker? That'd be a stretch.

Posted by: Samson151 | February 27, 2010 2:55 PM |


Vasquez looked ok tonite scoring 41 pts.

Posted by: Raef | February 28, 2010 2:34 AM | Report abuse

This is the NBA not the NFL. Players can't renegotiate existing contracts. He won't be seeing a pay raise until his current deal expires and he becomes a FA.

A non-rookie contract of 4 or more years can be renegotiated after the 3rd year. It's rare, but that's because teams have to be under the cap to do it.

Posted by: djnnnou | February 28, 2010 3:04 AM | Report abuse

"Vasquez looked ok tonite scoring 41 pts.Posted by: Raef"

He looked great, didn't he? But the thing that amazes me is his relationship with Gary Williams. I'm trying to think of another player in Maryland history that Gary would have trusted to launch 33 shots -- only three fewer than the other four starters put together. He managed to hit 13 of them -- 39% -- including a third of his outside attempts. Normally when a coach lets somebody shoot that much, it's because they're a little hotter than that.

The guy I always wish was on the court for Maryland is Jeff Allen, who unfortunately decided to go to Va Tech. Think of the difference he might have made to Maryland's fortunes last season.

Posted by: Samson151 | February 28, 2010 7:32 AM | Report abuse

I think Orlando will like to take Gilbert.they will give up vince Carter's contract.Do we like to take it?I wish we would not but hard to tell.If our GM is smart ,he has to make sure Gilbert should play next season in washington.If they close all possiblities for a buy out he has no othert way to be in NBA.Washington is in rebuilding mood ,there is no need to rash to get rid of Arenas with out a good return uless he decide to dump 90% of his salary.GA will play strong and demand for a trade in 2011-12.both will be in good shape with this situation.

Posted by: gtefferra | February 28, 2010 7:32 AM | Report abuse

"Almost forgot: Vasquez might be a better fit in the pros than in the ACC. He'd be a decent second round choice. Collins is certainly a good scorer. Either one might be worth a later pick. But the next Ginobili or Tony Parker? That'd be a stretch.

Posted by: Samson151 | February 27, 2010 2:55 PM |"

Get real.

Vasquez is way too slow footed, is not a PG (to compensate), and has no hops.

He's like a white Lawrence Moten.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | February 28, 2010 8:04 AM | Report abuse

"He looked great, didn't he? But the thing that amazes me is his relationship with Gary Williams. I'm trying to think of another player in Maryland history that Gary would have trusted to launch 33 shots -- only three fewer than the other four starters put together. He managed to hit 13 of them -- 39% -- including a third of his outside attempts. Normally when a coach lets somebody shoot that much, it's because they're a little hotter than that.

The guy I always wish was on the court for Maryland is Jeff Allen, who unfortunately decided to go to Va Tech. Think of the difference he might have made to Maryland's fortunes last season.

Posted by: Samson151 | February 28, 2010 7:32 AM | Report abuse "

I don't know...

Hmm, maybe a guy by the name of Juan Dixon who won Gary a ring and is his favorite player of all time?

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | February 28, 2010 8:05 AM | Report abuse

Vasquez, Has that herky jerky style on the court that you can't teach, and you can't teach a guy how to guard it either.

Sometimes when Vasquez has the ball and penetrates, he looks like my grandmother could guard him. But then I've seen him blow by really quick guys like Lawson from North Carolina. He never drives at the same speed twice, and often changes tempo two or three times on the way to the hoop.

Projecting Vasquez to the NBA level is really difficult. I doubt he goes in the first round, he's not a guy that's going to test out well. No great strength, no big vertical leap, not a dead eye shooter, and no speed to dazzle you.

Not many teams going to invest a first rounder on a guy that frankly doesn't look like he has the physical tools to play in the league.

But the guy is a competitor, in this recent win streak he just seems like he's willing Maryland to win games. Take Vasquez off of Maryland, it's probably an NIT team. Riding his back, they've got Duke(potential #1 ranked team) at home, playing for the lead inthe ACC. And him and Gary wouldn't have it any other way.
Wed. night is going to be some fun!

Why do you let a guy shoot 33 times? Because he scored 41 points! His trips to the line were offsetting poor shooting percentage. That's the #1 trait that I see that may make Vasquez a solid NBA player, he finds ways to get to the line.

#2 he's just a flat out competitor, and he knows how to play the game. #3 he's kind of like a knuckle ball pitcher, guys don't see anyone quite like him, so his herky jerky style comes at you, and is by you, while you're flatfooted.

He has the quality about his game the guys like George "Iceman" Gervin had. He's hard to guard because his game is so different. There's just not many herky/jerky guys out there.

If he's there when the Wiz pick in the second rd, I'd say take him. When your team is going to be overmatched, it's always nice to have a competitor on your bench.

Posted by: flohrtv | February 28, 2010 10:06 AM | Report abuse

How about a story about Oberto, and all the intangible benefits he is bringing to this team (if any) that justifies keeping around a guy who is contributing 1.5 and 1.5 per game.

We are often told the NBA is a business, but a lot of what the Wizards are doing doesn't seem to make any business sense.

Posted by: PostSubscriber | February 28, 2010 10:47 AM | Report abuse

the single best course of action for the franchise is to get JM/AB playing together 30mins a night the rest of the way.

AB looks more like the real deal every night.

JM got schooled against the Knicks but many felt it was his best game nonetheless. Probably because he produced 18/10 in just 27mins to go along with 5blks and untold altered shots.

It's crystal clear he's the most talented C we've had here since....Wes?? Also clear he's needs to be coached up in a major way.

What's more likely? We draft some kid who turns into a franchise player? Sign a big name FA who is actually worth the money? Or develop the Twin Towers we already have into a frontline you can build around?

I say the latter!

Posted by: divi3 | February 28, 2010 11:01 AM | Report abuse

Just keep raising the bar on Blatche. He'll reach it.
Blatche is finally getting the minutes that he knew he deserved and I'd love to see him go head to head with the real cancer on this team, Antawn Jamison. I hope Grunfeld never makes the mistake of bringing that type of player to this team again. He's a phony.

Posted by: harrybalz | February 28, 2010 11:18 AM | Report abuse

Vasquez's NBA prospects aren't esp. good, I don't think. Didn't he put his name into the draft last year and then withdraw when when the feedback he got said he wouldn't be drafted?

He's the kind of guy who can shoot you out of a game as easily as he shoots you into it. (I don't care how many times you get to the line, taking 33 shots to score 41 points is a bad ratio.) He can put up numbers as long as he's in the eye of the storm with free reign and a green light, neither of which he'll have in the NBA. He plays with such helper skelter abandon that he'll have a tough time fitting into a smaller, more constrained role in the NBA; it goes against his playing nature. If they Wiz are taking a flyer on the second round pick, I rather they roll the dice on a big man or an actual PG. Depth at shooting guard is easier to come by.

Posted by: kalo_rama | February 28, 2010 11:51 AM | Report abuse

"Why do you let a guy shoot 33 times? Because he scored 41 points! His trips to the line were offsetting poor shooting percentage. That's the #1 trait that I see that may make Vasquez a solid NBA player, he finds ways to get to the line."

LOL. Why does a guy score 41 points? Because he takes 33 shots!! Fifteen of which are from beyond the 3 point line!!!

Just kidding. He did go to the line 10 times, and convert all of them, I think. Certainly there are players in the NBA who have a knack for getting to the line. That's partly why I think Vasquez will be more comfortable in the helter-skelter style of the NBA and the D-League than in the ACC. Gary gives him his head more than anybody I can remember, and he certainly has taken advantage of it.

Posted by: Samson151 | February 28, 2010 11:56 AM | Report abuse

"Hmm, maybe a guy by the name of Juan Dixon who won Gary a ring and is his favorite player of all time?Posted by: DC_MAN88"

Might be the only other guy. Usually a Maryland player who launched that many shots would have Gary wrapped around his neck and wrestling him to the bench.

Posted by: Samson151 | February 28, 2010 12:00 PM | Report abuse

"[Vasquez is] like a white Lawrence Moten.
Posted by: DC_MAN88"

Don't you mean 'Latino' Lawrence Moten?

Posted by: Samson151 | February 28, 2010 12:02 PM | Report abuse

Just keep raising the bar on Blatche. He'll reach it.
Blatche is finally getting the minutes that he knew he deserved and I'd love to see him go head to head with the real cancer on this team, Antawn Jamison. I hope Grunfeld never makes the mistake of bringing that type of player to this team again. He's a phony.

Posted by: harrybalz | February 28, 2010 11:18 AM | Report abuse

Would disagree about him being the real cancer. He was not the player this team needed at PF however. The team was built on a fallacious strategy, that of offense from the perimeter in, and minimum defense. That is a bankrupt philosophy IMHO, of course.

Posted by: glawrence007 | February 28, 2010 12:05 PM | Report abuse

"Might be the only other guy. Usually a Maryland player who launched that many shots would have Gary wrapped around his neck and wrestling him to the bench.

Posted by: Samson151 | February 28, 2010 12:00 PM | Report abuse "

You live by the sword, you die by the sword.

Vasquez will break Gary's heart in March.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | February 28, 2010 12:52 PM | Report abuse

Talking about Vasquez going to the NBA means it's a slow day in the blogosphere.

Vasquez, if he's lucky, will turn out to be another Kyle Korver, Eduarado Najera, etc...meaning not much.

It's funny how both Juan Dixon and Vasquez were supposed to hone their PG games b/c both acknowledged that that's their best bet in making it into the NBA, but neither dude has yet to get anywhere close to that.

Again, Vasquez had a nice game yesterday. Any more discussion about him and his NBA prospects is pure lunacy.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | February 28, 2010 12:58 PM | Report abuse

What's more likely? We draft some kid who turns into a franchise player? Sign a big name FA who is actually worth the money? Or develop the Twin Towers we already have into a frontline you can build around?

It's more likely that the Wizards draft a future HOFer than develope two long term projects into a quality frontline. Has the later ever happened? The closest I can think of is Atlanta with Josh Smith and Marvin Williams.

Posted by: djnnnou | February 28, 2010 12:58 PM | Report abuse

"Don't you mean 'Latino' Lawrence Moten?

Posted by: Samson151 | February 28, 2010 12:02 PM | Report abuse "

White, meaning the color of his skin.

It can go either way though....Some jews consider themselves white but they are really middle eastern.

Some hispanics consider themselves white (e.g. from Spain) as compared to Mexicans.

Ginobli is from Argentina, but has an Italian heritage.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | February 28, 2010 1:00 PM | Report abuse

Hard to envision much of an nba future for Vasquez, but he's fun to watch in the ncaa's.

Posted by: divi3 | February 28, 2010 1:02 PM | Report abuse

It's more likely that the Wizards draft a future HOFer than develope two long term projects into a quality frontline. Has the later ever happened? The closest I can think of is Atlanta with Josh Smith and Marvin Williams.

Posted by: djnnnou | February 28, 2010 12:58 PM

I would say AB is real close to being "developed." Everyone is waiting for him to fall off the table per the inconsistency he's always exhibited, but nobody is denying how well he's currently playing. If his current play is what we can expect from here on out, he's no longer a project but a solid nba starter with room to improve.

With JM....how do you draft a 20yr old 7footer who barely played in college and not give him several years to develop? Give the kid next 2 full seasons for sure.

Posted by: divi3 | February 28, 2010 1:14 PM | Report abuse

AB @ 23 yrs. old is ahead of most kids coming out of college with 1 year of pro experience.

AB doesn't need to become a body builder, but it would help if he got some more strength in those arms and also legs in order to hold his position better.

He also needs to work on some agility drills as he runs almost "duck footed."

AB though, is clearly not a center and can only get by if the opponent has a small or slow guy playing the 5.

He's got a long way to go before he hits his prime and clearly seems more relaxed on the court now that MeTawn is gone.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | February 28, 2010 1:29 PM | Report abuse

AB though, is clearly not a center and can only get by if the opponent has a small or slow guy playing the 5.

He's got a long way to go before he hits his prime and clearly seems more relaxed on the court now that MeTawn is gone.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | February 28, 2010 1:29 PM | Report abuse

I'm down with that. Role center only. I'm afraid McGEE may prove out the same, but he's still growing. If he fills out at 24 like 265-270 and doesn't lose his athleticism, he'll be a beast in the #5. Otherwise, he may end up overlapping with AB. If AB continues to develop, which it appears he may, a trade for a young true #5 to match with a grown JM at #4 (250-255) would put the WIZ back into the playoffs IMHO.

Posted by: glawrence007 | February 28, 2010 2:02 PM | Report abuse

Never forget this is a #1 and #5 league. The teams without, and are relying on #'s 2,3,4 to win a championship for them are just kidding themselve.

Posted by: glawrence007 | February 28, 2010 2:03 PM | Report abuse

"White, meaning the color of his skin.It can go either way though....Some jews consider themselves white but they are really middle eastern.Some hispanics consider themselves white (e.g. from Spain) as compared to Mexicans.Ginobli is from Argentina, but has an Italian heritage.Posted by: DC_MAN88"

You are a very, very, very, very, very, unusual thinker.

Posted by: Samson151 | February 28, 2010 2:04 PM | Report abuse

"Never forget this is a #1 and #5 league. The teams without, and are relying on #'s 2,3,4 to win a championship for them are just kidding themselve.Posted by: glawrence007"

Jordan, Pippen, and Dennis Rodman.

Posted by: Samson151 | February 28, 2010 2:06 PM | Report abuse

Come to think of it, who played the one and five positions on last year's Lakers team?

Posted by: Samson151 | February 28, 2010 2:09 PM | Report abuse

we waited 6yrs for BTH to be considered anything but "underachieving" until he finally became his current self that some people believe borders on irreplaceable.

consider, in his 1st two seasons BTH scored 13pts or better in under 30mins on two occasions.

Mcgee has done the same THIRTEEN TIMES and he hasnt even played 2 full seasons while being DNPd countless times this year.

Roll with AB/JM and use the better picks on guards.

Posted by: divi3 | February 28, 2010 2:40 PM | Report abuse

Bob Johnson bought the Cats for $300m and the fanchise lost $150m during his ownership its been reported.

So cutting his losses he sold for less than he bought in, reported sources say he settled in high $200mils.

NBA market franchise value as a whole are in a down year. However, I believe for the last 10 years the Wizards have always been in the black.

So, my thought is that the Wizards with all that has happened lately and inspite of the market downturn, their market value is still steady and will not take a hit like the Cats did.

So if Ted offered more than what has been ever paid for any NBA team/arena, more than the $300m price of the Cats, but came up $100m short of what the Pollins wanted, what did the Pollins want?

Considering the Arena deal (VZ) the Wizards value comes in at $313M.

Based upon that figure the Pollins are blowing smoke in their asking price.

I cannot wait for the appraisal price to be revealed.

Is there a set timeframe for this process, or is it a willy-nilly process where a final number can come anytime now or months from now?

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | February 28, 2010 3:06 PM | Report abuse

"we waited 6yrs for BTH to be considered anything but "underachieving" until he finally became his current self that some people believe borders on irreplaceable.

consider, in his 1st two seasons BTH scored 13pts or better in under 30mins on two occasions.

Mcgee has done the same THIRTEEN TIMES and he hasnt even played 2 full seasons while being DNPd countless times this year.

Roll with AB/JM and use the better picks on guards.

Posted by: divi3 | February 28, 2010 2:40 PM | Report abuse "

If only apples were the same as oranges.

JaTravel has the benefit of having the 3 top scorers on the team either suspended or traded away.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | February 28, 2010 7:26 PM | Report abuse

"You are a very, very, very, very, very, unusual thinker.

Posted by: Samson151 | February 28, 2010 2:04 PM | Report abuse "

But I'm usually right.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | February 28, 2010 7:27 PM | Report abuse

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