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Wizards sign Shaun Livingston

The Washington Wizards signed guard Shaun Livingston to a 10-day contract today.

From the official news release:

A former "Mr. Basketball" in Illinois (2003-04), Livingston led Peoria Central High (Peoria, IL) to Class AA state titles in 2003 and 2004 before jumping straight to the NBA as the L.A. Clippers' first-round pick (fourth overall) in the 2004 NBA Draft. Livingston has appeared in 167 games (61 starts) in parts of five seasons in the NBA, compiling career averages of 6.9 points, 3.0 rebounds and 4.4 assists per game. He most recently appeared in 10 games this season for the Oklahoma City Thunder and also played briefly for the NBA D-League's Tulsa 66ers in 2008-09. Livingston was enjoying his best professional season as a member of the Clippers in 2006-07 (9.3 ppg, 3.4 rpg, 5.1 apg, .463 fg% in 29.8 mpg) before sustaining a season-ending knee injury on February 26 that kept him out of action for the duration of the 2007-08 season.

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About Shaun's knee injury....there was video to match, but not posting it because it's pretty gnarly.

******

In a game against the Charlotte Bobcats on February 26, 2007, Livingston suffered a debilitating knee injury, dislocating his left kneecap after landing awkwardly following a missed layup, resulting in the left leg snapping laterally. Livingston injured almost every part of his knee, tearing the anterior cruciate ligament (ACL), the posterior cruciate ligament (PCL), and the lateral meniscus, badly spraining his medial collateral ligament (MCL), and dislocating his patella and his tibia-femoral joint.

Posted by: ts35 | February 26, 2010 3:34 PM | Report abuse

Damn, just reading that again makes my knees hurt.

Posted by: ts35 | February 26, 2010 3:37 PM | Report abuse

Given the Wizards recent history with knee injuries, Livingston is really tempting fate by signing here.

Posted by: kalo_rama | February 26, 2010 3:41 PM | Report abuse

be interesting to see what this kid has left, has height (boykins weakness) and was a great passer (foye weakness), not saying he an answer to PG or anything like that, there's a good chance he doesn't even survive after the 10 day contract, but im glad we giving him a shot and intrigued to see him play

Posted by: hb_321 | February 26, 2010 3:53 PM | Report abuse

be interesting to see what this kid has left, has height (boykins weakness) and was a great passer (foye weakness), not saying he an answer to PG or anything like that, there's a good chance he doesn't even survive after the 10 day contract, but im glad we giving him a shot and intrigued to see him play

Posted by: hb_321 | February 26, 2010 3:53 PM


I agree.

Posted by: anacostia85 | February 26, 2010 4:06 PM | Report abuse

another slap in the face to nick young. nick young i hope that you can find a way to leave this time and flourish. you do have game, but the powers to be won't let you play.

Posted by: taeyyenom | February 26, 2010 4:07 PM | Report abuse

Still one of the worst knee injuries I've ever seen. I do NOT recommend that you watch it.

He had some real skills as a player and was on a good path before that pretty much stopped his upward trajectory.

Posted by: kmg27 | February 26, 2010 4:12 PM | Report abuse


another slap in the face to nick young. nick young i hope that you can find a way to leave this time and flourish. you do have game, but the powers to be won't let you play.

Posted by: taeyyenom | February 26, 2010 4:07 PM | Report abuse

It's not..Nick Young is not a PG period. more of a shooting guard

Posted by: ttn703 | February 26, 2010 4:12 PM | Report abuse

I love Nick but he does not take advance of his opportunities. If Nick plays, on most nights, like he played against the Nuggets then I think he would get more minutes. He also needs to man up and stop looking so deflated when he misses a shot. The other team takes advance of a deflated opponent.

Come on Nick man up!

Posted by: HardCoreFan | February 26, 2010 4:15 PM | Report abuse

i think he looks deflated because he knows his time is up as soon as he makes a mistake.

Posted by: divi3 | February 26, 2010 4:17 PM | Report abuse

"In a game against the Charlotte Bobcats on February 26, 2007, Livingston suffered a debilitating knee injury, dislocating his left kneecap after landing awkwardly following a missed layup, resulting in the left leg snapping laterally."

So, do they sign Livingston to make Josh Howard fell hopeful, or make him feel bad?

Posted by: sagaliba | February 26, 2010 4:23 PM | Report abuse

The funny thing is that I've always prefered JCrit's game over Livingston's, but we all know JCrit is gone after the season (may never play in an NBA game, again).

If nothing else, giving Livingston a shot may at least soothe the obsession that some posters on this blog have had w/him for years. I know what those guys are thinking, "He can be the big PG to play along side of Gil!!" (or replace Gil w/Foye for some fans)

Now, are there any powerful 7-footers out there that the Wiz can throw out there and hope for the best? LMAO

Posted by: SportzWiz | February 26, 2010 4:26 PM | Report abuse

And what happens to the "rotational big man" Wiz is aupposed to sign?

Posted by: sagaliba | February 26, 2010 4:28 PM | Report abuse

I think this is Livingston's 3rd comeback attempt since he recovered from surgery. The other ones didn't take and I don't see much reason to think this one will.

Posted by: kalo_rama | February 26, 2010 4:29 PM | Report abuse

"another slap in the face to nick young. "

Y'know, maybe if someone actually slapped him in the face, he'd wake up from the perpetual slumber he's been in since the Wiz drafted him.

Posted by: kalo_rama | February 26, 2010 4:31 PM | Report abuse

Speaking of obsessions, what's obsession people have with height in PGs? When the Wiz traded for Crittenton, people were lauding him as the answer at PG before he'd played a game because he was (listed) at 6' 5". Seriously, how many "next Magic Johnson's" have come and gone without a trace in the last two decades? Look around the NBA; most of the best PGs are 6' 3" or less. There aren't a lot of towering playmakers roaming the plains.

Posted by: kalo_rama | February 26, 2010 4:38 PM | Report abuse

To all the fans defending Nick Young: PLEASE! NY has had more than ample opportunity to prove to the coaches and the fans that he's a valuable basketball player. But he's not, because in his mind he's convinced he's a scorer, and everything else is secondary. Because of his incredible lack of maturity, he's not even good at that. Who the hell wants a player on their team that loses confidence and falls apart if he misses his first few shots. Ridiculous!

Look at how Singleton, Thornton, and Howard (damn that sucks that he got hurt!) have played since they got here. All that hustle, energy and intensity has been contagious, not to mention effective. Have any of those 3 adjectives ever been used to describe NY's game. Absolutely not, and therin lies the problem.

Posted by: clfrdj | February 26, 2010 4:41 PM | Report abuse

The big PG obsession really should have died off once the NBA started allowing zone defenses. The advantage of a playmaker that towers over the man covering him is not the same now that defenses can sag inside.

Posted by: SportzWiz | February 26, 2010 4:53 PM | Report abuse

Well I were EG and FS, I'd give him a figurative slap in the face if it would improve his game any. Come on NICK, time to kick in and be a man, not a chump. Damn, a million dollar game, and a ten-cent head.

Posted by: glawrence007 | February 26, 2010 4:58 PM | Report abuse

"Have any of those 3 adjectives ever been used to describe NY's game. Absolutely not, and therin lies the problem."

Ai-i-i-n-n-h, wrong. Thank you for playing.

Remember the MEMPHIS game such a short time ago? NICK can do the job. The question is, "will he go all in?"

Posted by: glawrence007 | February 26, 2010 5:02 PM | Report abuse

The big PG obsession really should have died off once the NBA started allowing zone defenses. The advantage of a playmaker that towers over the man covering him is not the same now that defenses can sag inside.

Posted by: SportzWiz | February 26, 2010 4:53 PM | Report abuse

And so BOYKINS is having no problems at the point, right?

Posted by: glawrence007 | February 26, 2010 5:03 PM | Report abuse

Given the Wizards recent history with knee injuries, Livingston is really tempting fate by signing here.

Posted by: kalo_rama | February 26, 2010 3:41 PM | Report abuse

A guarded LOL.

Posted by: glawrence007 | February 26, 2010 5:05 PM | Report abuse

Livingston has got nowhere to go but up though.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | February 26, 2010 5:08 PM | Report abuse

Nice article. For those of us who don't know, what f'n position does he play?
Very poor reporting.

Posted by: chopin224 | February 26, 2010 5:19 PM | Report abuse

Ok I saw it at the top.

Posted by: chopin224 | February 26, 2010 5:20 PM | Report abuse

Flip has said many times this season that Nick is a situational player who's not suited to starting or playing a lot of minutes. So in Flip's mind, Nick is performing his role. I personally think Nick Young will be out of the league by the end of next season. He's just a street-baller. Get over it!

Posted by: Firuz1 | February 26, 2010 5:24 PM | Report abuse

What no one can explain is that NY plays 23mins one night in a win against Denver where evryone lauds his play and even credits him with preventing Chauncey from going off in the 4thQ...then gets 4mins against Toronto. Yeah, he took dumb shots against the Raptors but come on. Commit to playing him for awhile or don't. Cant expect him to ever be comfortable on the floor when he MUST be thinking any mistake and he's done for the WEEK.

terrible way to try and develop a player, especially when other guys are screwing up with no consequence.

Miller has been bad recently, his minutes shouldnt be sacred, if he keeps playing poorly give ol'Nick a serious go.

and btw, if NY made the exact same TOs that Miller has made over the past 3 games, the board would be lit up with how "stupid" he is.

Posted by: divi3 | February 26, 2010 5:26 PM | Report abuse

Speaking of obsessions, what's obsession people have with height in PGs? When the Wiz traded for Crittenton, people were lauding him as the answer at PG before he'd played a game because he was (listed) at 6' 5".

Posted by: kalo_rama

It is partly about that old chesnut 'being able to look over the defense.' But I think it's also about having them be a better defender. It's not even so much about Magic anymore, it's more about guys like Kidd, Billups (6'3", but strong) and even Wade (though not a true PG), who gain advantage theoretically because of their height.

That's why you see teams try to convert a lot of the tweener guards from college every year. Guys like Foye, Stuckey, even Evans etc. And that's why guys like Lawson, Aaron Brooks, etc slip in the draft. The NBA worships height. And assume more height is better.

You know, kind of like you assumed DeJuan Blair wouldn't be able to rebound in the NBA because of his height ;-).

Posted by: ts35 | February 26, 2010 5:30 PM | Report abuse

Good grief!
I cringe every time I see Livingston jump for a lay-up or rebound in the paint.

Posted by: tgif11 | February 26, 2010 5:32 PM | Report abuse

Well when one guy pulls down $9.750,000 to play and the other guy is into you for $1,714,800 who gets the minutes?

Posted by: glawrence007 | February 26, 2010 5:38 PM | Report abuse

the strong part seems to get overlooked. Chauncey POUNDS on guys like CP3, Nash, Parker, Kidd. Really big advantage for him

Posted by: divi3 | February 26, 2010 5:41 PM | Report abuse

Well when one guy pulls down $9.750,000 to play and the other guy is into you for $1,714,800 who gets the minutes?

Posted by: glawrence007

It doesn't matter, you still have to pay them both. They don't owe Miller any money after this year.

I agree with most though, that it makes no sense not to put Young out there for regular minutes and at least see what he has. I could understand it a bit before with Howard healthy. But now, you might as well play Young. Time to figure out if he's worth keeping around.

Posted by: ts35 | February 26, 2010 5:41 PM | Report abuse

Well when one guy pulls down $9.750,000 to play and the other guy is into you for $1,714,800 who gets the minutes?

Posted by: glawrence007 | February 26, 2010 5:38 PM

i hear you...just sick of waiting to see what this 1st round pick can bring on a nightly basis if given decent minutes. Our best lineup this season (82games.com) was with him at 2 alongside Gil but he still couldnt stay on the floor.

Here's a stat for you:

Wiz are 5-2 this season when Young plays 30 or more mins

Posted by: divi3 | February 26, 2010 5:46 PM | Report abuse

JaVale McGee won't start tonight. He was late for shootaround.

James Singleton will start in his place.

Posted by: elfreako | February 26, 2010 5:48 PM | Report abuse

"But I think it's also about having them be a better defender."

Taller does not automatically translate to better, regardless of the skill or position. Livingston wasn't a good defender before he got hurt. Neither was Penny Hardaway.

It's not even so much about Magic anymore, it's more about guys like Kidd, Billups (6'3", but strong) and even Wade (though not a true PG), who gain advantage theoretically because of their height.

Wade doesn't gain any advantage because of his height, because he's not that tall. He's listed at 6' 4" (and he's not that tall), same as Kidd. He gains an advantage because of his quickness, athleticism, and skill. Kidd has an advantage because of his strength, experience, and vision. Billups, as you point out, is not esp. tall for a PG, but he is strong. None of those guys has a marked height advantage against most of the competition. So what does any of that have to do with height (which is specifically what I mentioned, not "size" in general)?

And then,to further shoot holes in your theory, there's Nash, Williams, Paul, Parker, Miller, and so on.

Posted by: kalo_rama | February 26, 2010 5:48 PM | Report abuse

JaVale McGee won't start tonight. He was late for shootaround.

James Singleton will start in his place.

Posted by: elfreako | February 26, 2010 5:48 PM |

Somebody remind me. What happened to Jamison after missed an entire practice? Did he lose a start?

Posted by: tgif11 | February 26, 2010 5:52 PM | Report abuse

What happened to Jamison after he missed an entire practice?

Posted by: tgif11 | February 26, 2010 5:53 PM | Report abuse

I didn't say it made them better, I said they are perceived to be better by the NBA which worships height.

Posted by: ts35 | February 26, 2010 5:53 PM | Report abuse

Arenas and Young should be sent together on the next bus to California.

Posted by: Theone9 | February 26, 2010 5:55 PM | Report abuse

And you say that none of the guys I mentioned has a particular height advantage over any of their competition, and then you mention all of the shorter guys who are their competition?

Posted by: ts35 | February 26, 2010 5:57 PM | Report abuse

So, new team name:

The "Washington Clippers"?

Posted by: JPRS | February 26, 2010 5:57 PM | Report abuse

"Somebody remind me. What happened to Jamison after missed an entire practice? Did he lose a start?"


You know how Flip rolls. Make an example of the youngins and fine the vets an undisclosed sum of money, probably about eight bucks.

Posted by: gimmedat | February 26, 2010 5:59 PM | Report abuse

It doesn't matter, you still have to pay them both. They don't owe Miller any money after this year.

Posted by: ts35 | February 26, 2010 5:41 PM | Report abuse

Doesn't matter huh. O.K. let's see what happens. BTW what does not owing MILLER next year have to do with playing this year?

Dude, YOUNG played the game he's capable of against MEMPHIS. We all see his potential. But it's time to bring it to the court on a consistant basis. You earn those minutes with improving and consistant play, not great one game, and slacker play the next. Someone needs to light a fire under his azz, and the someone is NICK YOUNG.

Posted by: glawrence007 | February 26, 2010 6:04 PM | Report abuse

And in actuality, it's not even so much about height as it is length / reach etc. But on offense being able to see over / pass over your defender does give an advantage. Don't take my word for it, that's what Magic always used to say. Granted, he was 6'9". And having a longer reach can help you as a defender.

But you originally specifically asked what the obsession was with tall PGs, and all I'm saying is that the NBA is generally obsessed with height at all positions. Which is why any guard who comes into the league at under 6'3-4", no matter how talented, they tend to dismiss as an option at SG and try to convert them to PG. Which is also why guys with only a few years basketball experience, but who happen to be 7'0" (or have the wingspan of a 7 footer) get drafted higher than they should.

I don't make up these trends, I just observe them and the reasons GMs state for following them. If you have a problem with it, talk to them.

Posted by: ts35 | February 26, 2010 6:07 PM | Report abuse

"another slap in the face to nick young."

SLAP!

"Damn, just reading that again makes my knees hurt."

Yeah, I remember that. That was nasty.

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | February 26, 2010 6:09 PM | Report abuse

This is exactly the team and the time to give Livingston a shot... and it may be his last. I wish him well. That was a terrible injury.

Years ago, the Bullets had a former standout ABA guard named Jimmy Jones as the first backcourt guy off the bench. Third game of the 1976-77 season ... the year before they won it all ... he blew out his knee in a game at the old Cap Centre. It was nasty, like it was with Livingston, and it was the end of his career.

When you see something like that happen, you really do not forget it.

Posted by: khrabb | February 26, 2010 6:16 PM | Report abuse

Gilbert is 6-3/6-4 shooting guard. If you could pair him with a 6-6/6-7 point guard then you can execute your offense fine without suffering on defense. But if your best point guard is 5-10 to 6-0, you really can't pair him with Arenas (your best SG) for long stretches without putting yourself at a big disadvantage defensively.

That's my thinking. It's really describing an ideal situation, and you're assuming everything else being equal. Which it never is.

Posted by: jimwest20 | February 26, 2010 6:22 PM | Report abuse

Also, I wouldn't think of McGee's penalty as a double-standard compared to Jamison. Think of it this way: they are minimizing the penalty by hitting the player in the place where they can most afford to be penalized. Jamison has millions in bank, so fine him $20K and move on. McGee doesn't have that much money so leave him on the bench to start the game, just like you've been doing all season.

So no big deal. Not a double-standard.

Posted by: jimwest20 | February 26, 2010 6:26 PM | Report abuse

"so fine him $20K and move on."

Where'd you get that figure from? Jamison's fine was "undisclosed".

Posted by: gimmedat | February 26, 2010 6:53 PM | Report abuse

What happened to Jamison after he missed an entire practice?

Posted by: tgif11 | February 26, 2010 5:53 PM | Report abuse

No, he didn't. This organization is a joke and has been fooling you for years. But many on here are chastising Barkley for joking about the truth. This is a team that's been run like a D-League squad and is slowly adding more and more D-League players. Just wait until next year, you will see alot more of them because I don't see Irene spending any money (as a matter of fact, Grunfailed already alluded to it). But since mediocrity has been the norm and fans have been celebrating 1st round exits like other fans celebrate championships, it will all be acceptable and seasons tickets will still be sold, the arena will still be buzzing and thousands of nasty burgers will still be sold. And it will all be done in the name of false hope.....hope that certainly convinces many on here to analyze whether the 10-day signings of Livingston and Harris are supposed to dramatically improve the team.

Posted by: Utilityman1 | February 26, 2010 7:12 PM | Report abuse

The "Washington Clippers"?

Posted by: JPRS | February 26, 2010 5:57 PM | Report abuse

As bad as they are, the Clippers is actually a much better team than the Wiz and has a much brighter future.

Posted by: Utilityman1 | February 26, 2010 7:14 PM | Report abuse

Back to the Barkley-Anderson-Butler video -
Butler said nothing negative about the wiz. He conducted himself with class and dedication throughout his entire term here. Sure he's glad to be on a winner, who wouldn't be. The Wiz are a punchline, it is almost entirely Arenas' fault...and we may be stuck with him. I just hope they keep winning this year with the youngsters. and I hope they can gert rid of GA and get some form of value - even if it is not having to pay the remainder of his contract. DS may have been crazy, but he never brought guns to the lovcker room

Posted by: HughGRection | February 26, 2010 7:17 PM | Report abuse

Caron had a very nice and sincere submittal to the editorial section in the Post the other day. He's a class act and will be missed.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | February 26, 2010 7:28 PM | Report abuse

Never said anythign negative? Silence is worth a thousand words, my friend. Caron's dissing of DC in the presence of barkley was deafening. I said deafening. All he needed to say to the pompous fool was, "seriously though, DC was very, very good to me, and the fans and the other Wizards will always be in my heart". You think his editorial to a specific audience means anything after giggling with barkley? Class? A man's words AND his silence make his reputation. There have been many men in history who have betrayed others with their silence. The editorial now means nothing to me.

Posted by: ragtop4spd | February 26, 2010 7:57 PM | Report abuse

"Never said anythign negative? Silence is worth a thousand words, my friend. Caron's dissing of DC in the presence of barkley was deafening. I said deafening. All he needed to say to the pompous fool was, "seriously though, DC was very, very good to me, and the fans and the other Wizards will always be in my heart". You think his editorial to a specific audience means anything after giggling with barkley? Class? A man's words AND his silence make his reputation. There have been many men in history who have betrayed others with their silence. The editorial now means nothing to me.

Posted by: ragtop4spd | February 26, 2010 7:57 PM | Report abuse "

What's worse is acting a fool after a franchise pays you max money to play basketball.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | February 26, 2010 8:10 PM | Report abuse

Magic was a freak of nature. Run the list of all of the outstanding point guards in history and you won't find any taller than about 6 foot 4. Any team looking for the next Magic will be sorely disappointed. There was only one.

Posted by: randysbailin | February 26, 2010 8:17 PM | Report abuse

I was very disappointed to hear that they brought in Livingston, when the team has a crying need for a big man. Howeever, it is a classic Wizards move: bring in a veteran with questionable health. Perfect.

Posted by: PostSubscriber | February 26, 2010 10:16 PM | Report abuse

stay the right path build through the draft and wait for kevin durant he would love to come home

Posted by: lazy1520 | February 27, 2010 3:45 AM | Report abuse

That sounds like a horrific knee injury.
It does not sound like he has much left in his tank at this point. If he was taken with the no. 4 pick..he must have gotten a pretty decent bonus for signing. Maybe it is time to face reality..and get a new career.
He will not get much playing time with the Wiz...10 and out!

Posted by: blazerguy234 | February 27, 2010 9:12 AM | Report abuse

WHY does it seem that most of yall are bashing this signing and focusing on a 2007 injury?

THIS SEASON IS OVER!

The Preseason started on the 18 of Feb. for us. Consider this 'Next Level' Summer League play.

Realizing all of this... what's wrong with giving guys like Harris and Livingston a look? If it works out, GREAT! If it don't work, we get a cheap look at a possibility before some other team could.

It is a win... win situation!

And for all of you Nick Young fans... What is wrong with having him practice with a guy like Livingston? It only help Nick. PLUS, Shaun may even show him how to .... PASS THE BALL!

Posted by: fishin41 | February 27, 2010 11:32 AM | Report abuse

Take a closer look. Nick Young has improved leaps and bounds since last year. No longer does he look lost on defense; in fact, he seems to give up fewer uncontested threes than used to be customary on this team. He is also much more in the flow of the offense, rather than being the ball stopper he used to be. Look at how well McGee played last night when he was allowed some latitude. McGee's game has improved dramatically since last month, maybe even last week! He no longer looks like a flailing foul machine and looks much more at ease offensively. Overall, I'm very encouraged by the progress both youngsters have made. SG Nick Young should not feel slighted by the team taking a test spin with PG Livingston.

Posted by: audacitea | February 27, 2010 1:00 PM | Report abuse

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