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Wizards trade rumors: McGrady, Haywood updates

It's that time of year again, when speculation runs rampant, rumors are reported the moment they are heard and everyone scrambles. As I reported roughly three weeks ago, the Wizards have been in talks with the Houston Rockets about a possible swap of Caron Butler for Tracy McGrady's expiring contract. Of course, other pieces would have to be included in the deal, since McGrady is owed nearly $13 million more than Butler this season.

ESPN.com reported over the weekend that Brendan Haywood has also been mentioned in the deal. I wrote earlier that the Rockets aren't listening to any deal involving Mike James's expiring contract, but I don't see Ernie Grunfeld surrendering two starters for salary cap space -- especially when Haywood is drawing interest from other teams. The McGrady rumor gained some legs on Saturday because he was at the Georgetown-Duke game. McGrady has been in the same location as the Wizards a few times, but it is really just a coincidence.

McGrady was in town over the weekend as part of a charity benefit for Darfur, with students from Georgetown and Duke raising money for refugees and helping kids with educational opportunities. When the team was in Chicago around the time that Gilbert Arenas pleaded guilty to a felony gun charge, McGrady was staying in the same hotel. But McGrady, who has been granted an indefinite leave from the Rockets, has been living in that hotel while he's training with Tim Grover.

The Rockets definitely are interested in Butler, but something might not get done until closer to the all-star break, since Houston is also in discussions with New York, Chicago and Philadelphia. ESPN mentioned that the Wizards might be interested in Luis Scola, but Jonathan Feigen of the Houston Chronicle reported that the Wizards are targeting Aaron Brooks, Carl Landry or Chase Budinger in addition to McGrady.

Haywood's name has been linked with Portland in recent weeks, especially since the Trail Blazers have lost centers Greg Oden (fractured kneecap) and Joel Przybilla to injury. It's a natural connection, but from what I've heard the Wizards were actually in talks with Portland before Przybilla ruptured in his right patella tendon and dislocated his patella in late December. According to a league source, they had discussed a swap of Haywood for Przybilla, which obviously collapsed when Przybilla crumpled to the ground.

The Blazers remain interested in Haywood, since they've been relying on soon-to-be 37-year-old Juwan Howard at center in recent weeks. They reportedly declined a deal for Haywood that would've cost them Rudy Fernandez and Nicolas Batum. I know the Wizards asked for a lot there, but I wouldn't close the books on discussions about Haywood or Fernandez. Fernandez has been unhappy with his role in Portland, according to a league source.

It's something to keep an eye on, but again, it's all talk right now.

By Michael Lee  |  February 1, 2010; 1:40 PM ET
 
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Comments

Get 'em outta here!!

Posted by: artiesliver | February 1, 2010 2:04 PM | Report abuse

Aside from saying FIRST... I really have no comments for this page. I'm still mad we let Roger Mason Junior go...now McGrady for Butler...hmmm

Posted by: Gooddad | February 1, 2010 2:07 PM | Report abuse

oppps...second...but yeah BTH...can role, bad hands and no low post moves...more PT for McGee...at least now we'll know how to draft.

Posted by: Gooddad | February 1, 2010 2:09 PM | Report abuse

Please stop reporting this garbage. Thanks.

Posted by: Barno1 | February 1, 2010 2:09 PM | Report abuse

I'd only trade Caron for McGrade and Scola. What about the summer deal of AJ & CB for Amare? I feel Ernie messing up something up again...can we trade Ernie?

Posted by: Gooddad | February 1, 2010 2:14 PM | Report abuse

Please stop reporting this garbage. Thanks.

Posted by: Barno1 | February 1, 2010 2:09 PM

I know its hard to hear about the core group of guys being broken up but something has to be done. Many of you bloggers are cracking down on blowing this thing up but this is the biggest free agent class with talent in the nba. I understand the wizard's negative light to free agents but with more free agents than teams with cap space Washington couldn't do that bad. I think as long as one of the big 3 remains like jamison some talent would be attracted to dc.

Posted by: jefferu | February 1, 2010 2:26 PM | Report abuse

Why would Tracy McGrady be at the Gtown-Duke game? He doesn't live in Washington and didn't attend Georgetown or Duke?

This CAN'T be a coincidence!

Posted by: p_chuck | February 1, 2010 2:41 PM | Report abuse

1. Disagree with M. Lee's comment about not just clearing cap space -- that indubitably would increase value of the team for sale, as would settling Gilbert's contract.

2. Also disagree about signing free agents -- every contending NBA team was built through the draft and trades, not free agents. Orlando, Cleveland, Boston in the East; LA, Denver, Dallas in the west, only team you could argue otherwise is Pheonix with Nash, a free agent signee.

3. So, dump salaries and go for draft picks the next couple of years, instead of going for playoffs this year -- and that will be the talk if Wiz win tonight, try to win John Wall lottery.

Posted by: milfordone | February 1, 2010 2:41 PM | Report abuse

Carl Landry would be a great pickup, dont see it happening though

Posted by: divi3 | February 1, 2010 2:42 PM | Report abuse

1. Disagree with M. Lee's comment about not just clearing cap space -- that indubitably would increase value of the team for sale, as would settling Gilbert's contract.

2. Also disagree about signing free agents -- every contending NBA team was built through the draft and trades, not free agents. Orlando, Cleveland, Boston in the East; LA, Denver, Dallas in the west, only team you could argue otherwise is Pheonix with Nash, a free agent signee.

3. So, dump salaries and go for draft picks the next couple of years, instead of going for playoffs this year -- and that will be the talk if Wiz win tonight, try to win John Wall lottery.

Posted by: milfordone | February 1, 2010 2:44 PM | Report abuse

Can't see any reason why the Rockets would trade Landry and Scola, their two best interior threats for a Haywood, a non scoring big, or Butler, who plays the same position where they've already got the most depth.

Posted by: kalo_rama | February 1, 2010 2:49 PM | Report abuse

"Time for Washington to swallow the bitter pill of rebuilding (think Chicago ten years ago) and hope they get lucky (kinda ironic that Chicago got the first pick in the draft AFTER they went through their really sucky period). You've got to have luck and the Wizards have had little of it.
If they can get rid of Jamison and/or Butler without taking on long-term contracts, it's probably the best solution for the organization's future."

Absolutely correct as are Kal's posts. There really is no other option. Clear cap space, get some younger talent if you can (Fernandez, Hickson), and perhaps some later draft picks we could possibly get lucky with. And, although I still seriously doubt it, there is a possibility that Arenas returns next year after a serious mea culpa. The best case scenario there is that with the time away and more rest he comes back even healthier next season and returns to near "hibatchi" level albeit with a far less talented team around him. But, with this scenario, the cupboard is not completely bare for possible free agents. So, you could possibly end up with Arenas, Foye, McGee, Fernandez, Miller, Hickson, a couple of new first rounders with one being a lottery pick most likely. With NY and Blatche still around on the bench. And a possible FA signing! Not the end of the world talent wise and then you proceed from there. That is probably the best case scenario from a rebuilding on the fly standpoint. Remember MJ's contract is off the books as well and DS will probably be gone one way or another. I actually kind of like this scenario the more I think about it.

By the way, no "expert" in his right mind ever compared Tracy McGrady to KB. No way!

Posted by: rphilli721 | February 1, 2010 2:54 PM | Report abuse


I'm happy for Haywood, both him and Jamison need to get the hell outta dodge and go to a team that can compete for a title.
The McGrady deal is good only if the Wizards can pick up someone during the off season. I still think this team is a 5 yr project where they'll have to be lucky in drafting impact players. Picking up players off the scrap heap won't revive the feeling Wizards fans had for this team 4 yrs ago.

Posted by: rcnasa | February 1, 2010 2:58 PM | Report abuse

Wouldn't give up starters to clear salary cap space? I can't believe that at this stage of the season EG is still clinging to the dream that he can add a mediocre piece here and there to drastically improve this team. The first step in the needed overhaul is to purge players who won't be around to assit in a rebuild. That includes Caron, Jamison, Mike James, and arguably, Haywood.

Getting McGrady to come off the books next year, and by trading Jamison for some cap relief would clear a lot of space to make some moves in the offseason. Add in some luck in the lotto, and we would be getting off to a really good start in a major rebuild.

Posted by: ZardsFan1 | February 1, 2010 3:01 PM | Report abuse

Now if the deal includes Aaron Brooks that would be nice. But that would be mean that the Wiz have given up on Randy Foye, which I think is not a good idea. Randy isn't going to be a Brandon Roy combo all-star but he can provide great support for the team.

Posted by: rcnasa | February 1, 2010 3:01 PM | Report abuse

The Wiz should keep Haywood. He's having a great season! Rebounding AND defending! He is a player they should resign and build on for the future. I cant believe they wanted to trade him for Pryzbila or Rudy Fernandez. Makes no damn sense. The only players on the rockets who are worth trading haywood are aaron brooks or carl landry, and i dunno how landry would fit when jamison's on the court, and how brooks would fit with foye.

Why watch the wizards? Theyre trading their best players, and in doing so are going to get much, much worse. And I dont buy that its for the offseason, because I'll be surprised if they land any superstar free agents this offseason.

I say Keep Haywood, or at least dont trade him for mcgrady or joel pryzbila. Christ that's lame.

Maybe we should just say screw it, the wiz are gonna trade their good players for downgrades, free up cap space, and when it's all said and done, they'll still suck because theyll have no core of talent

Posted by: bigtriumverate | February 1, 2010 3:02 PM | Report abuse

"Why would Tracy McGrady be at the Gtown-Duke game? He doesn't live in Washington and didn't attend Georgetown or Duke?"

It helps to read past the first paragraph:

McGrady was in town over the weekend as part of a charity benefit for Darfur, with students from Georgetown and Duke raising money for refugees and helping kids with educational opportunities. When the team was in Chicago around the time that Gilbert Arenas pleaded guilty to a felony gun charge, McGrady was staying in the same hotel. But McGrady, who has been granted an indefinite leave from the Rockets, has been living in that hotel while he's training with Tim Grover.

Posted by: kalo_rama | February 1, 2010 3:06 PM | Report abuse

but Haywood could be lost for nothing if he signs with another team this off-season

Posted by: G-Man11 | February 1, 2010 3:11 PM | Report abuse

Which one of you will buy tickets to Wizard games next year to see the Wizards, not some other teams stars?

Posted by: G-Man11 | February 1, 2010 3:15 PM | Report abuse

I am with Mike Prada at Bullets Forever on this. If you can get Blake (expiring, plus he is a fine back-up point) and Fernandez (who has Caron plus potential) from Portland for Haywood... DO IT!

Posted by: khrabb | February 1, 2010 3:17 PM | Report abuse

You can't win in the NBA with a center named Brenda.

Maybe in the WNBA.

Which is where The Wiz's Brenda belongs.

Posted by: mdpilot | February 1, 2010 3:18 PM | Report abuse

"I am with Mike Prada at Bullets Forever on this. If you can get Blake (expiring, plus he is a fine back-up point) and Fernandez (who has Caron plus potential) from Portland for Haywood... DO IT!"

That's more than the Blazers are gonna give up to rent Haywood for a few months.

Posted by: kalo_rama | February 1, 2010 3:20 PM | Report abuse

"By the way, no "expert" in his right mind ever compared Tracy McGrady to KB. No way!"

McGrady is the poster boy for non-franchise franchise players. Big name, big money, big stats, medium impact.

Posted by: kalo_rama | February 1, 2010 3:22 PM | Report abuse

Carl Landry is averaging 16 points in 24 minutes, which is pretty exceptional. hard to see Houston unloading either Landry or Aaron Brooks (who's shooting nearly 40% from the arc) for Butler.

Posted by: Samson151 | February 1, 2010 3:22 PM | Report abuse

I haven't followed the Wizards look a good fan should this year, but I have to ask why would we want to move Caron? Isn't he one of the good young players we have? Isn't McGrady a little long in the tooth? Who do we build around once Caron is gone?Why don't we trade the entire team for draft picks, and take next year off.

Posted by: coastallp74 | February 1, 2010 3:22 PM | Report abuse

McGrady is the poster boy for non-franchise franchise players. Big name, big money, big stats, medium impact.

Posted by: kalo_rama | February 1, 2010 3:22 PM | Report abuse

People are going to be saying the same thing about Gil in a couple of years.

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | February 1, 2010 3:28 PM | Report abuse

The Rockets already have Budinger, Ariza, and Battier at SF/SG. Don't really see what interest they'd have in Butler.

Posted by: kalo_rama | February 1, 2010 3:30 PM | Report abuse

Can't see any reason why the Rockets would trade Landry and Scola, their two best interior threats for a Haywood, a non scoring big, or Butler, who plays the same position where they've already got the most depth.

Posted by: kalo_rama | February 1, 2010 2:49 PM | Report abuse


Not trying to be nitpicky, but I think the idea was to trade BOTH Haywood and Butler. Still not sure the Rockets will do it, though. Your thoughts?

Also, when a team exec says on the record "We are not trading XXXX." It is time for XXXX to pack their bags and find a realtor.

Posted by: Blurred | February 1, 2010 3:35 PM | Report abuse

if the Wiz clear some cap space, where does it say in the rule book that you have to use it right away. If there is a logical opportunity that presents itself THIS off-season then of course jump on it. If not then draft wise and go with with you have. Rebuilding can and will be painfull, but I think some of you that say it will be 5- 6 years, that's a little overboard. If it takes that long it's because the GM has failed. It should take about three years for light to show. Making moves for the sake of "not sitting pat" has hurt the franchise (ala Ike Austin)

We all know that luck plays a huge part in drafting and building a winner, but it is the necessary evil.

Those who don't want to go that route then what is the alternative?

Posted by: millineumman | February 1, 2010 3:38 PM | Report abuse

Caron is a shell of what he was 2 years ago. This is not someone to build around. He is over the hill at 29 y/o. Get something for him! Improvement by subtraction, for sure.

Posted by: rbelleisle | February 1, 2010 3:45 PM | Report abuse

How about Arenas for McGrady?

Posted by: randysbailin | February 1, 2010 3:47 PM | Report abuse

The Rockets already have Budinger, Ariza, and Battier at SF/SG. Don't really see what interest they'd have in Butler.

I read somewhere that the Rockets were looking for more scoring on the wings, and that they where willing to move Battier because of his age.

Posted by: djnnnou | February 1, 2010 3:50 PM | Report abuse

"...haven't followed the Wizards look a good fan should this year, but I have to ask why would we want to move Caron?"

Coastallp74, Rbelleisle is right. Caron looks like he's aged 5 years from last year. his loss of athleticism is apparent in the way he elevates for his shots and especially on his finishes at the rim. Secondly, it appears that the grit and determiniation that made him so value to this franchise has also diminished. Lastly, it doesn't appear that he is a good fit for what Flip is trying to do on offense.

Posted by: ZardsFan1 | February 1, 2010 3:54 PM | Report abuse

Can't imagine why the Wizards would want Tracy McGrady who has been more injured than Gilbert Arenas over the years. It would be an extremely stupid move after getting burnt by Gilbert's contract. But, it would be consistent with past Wizard decisions.

Posted by: dallasb603 | February 1, 2010 4:02 PM | Report abuse

have you seen butler in the knicks game. He seems to hesitate in his shots then pass. Kinda like hes thinking am i suppose to do this in flip's offense, let this guy figure it out.

Posted by: jefferu | February 1, 2010 4:04 PM | Report abuse

"I read somewhere that the Rockets were looking for more scoring on the wings, and that they where willing to move Battier because of his age."

That's interesting, because over the past couple of years, both Adelman and Darryl Mowry (the Rockets GM) have been effusive in their praise of Battier for the things he does that don't necessarily show up in the stat sheet. (And really, if they want more scoring on the wings, all they have to do is cut Battier's minutes and play Budinger more, because he can score without playing defense just as well as Butler can.)

Posted by: kalo_rama | February 1, 2010 4:06 PM | Report abuse

Can't imagine why the Wizards would want Tracy McGrady who has been more injured than Gilbert Arenas over the years. It would be an extremely stupid move after getting burnt by Gilbert's contract. But, it would be consistent with past Wizard decisions.

Posted by: dallasb603 | February 1, 2010 4:02 PM | Report abuse

I know everyone will post this but...

We don't want Mcgrady.

We want the $20 mil or whatever that comes off the books with his contract at the end of the season. My understanding is that McGreedy' contract expires at the end of this year, like Haywood's. Caron is on the books for something like $11 million next year.

Posted by: Blurred | February 1, 2010 4:10 PM | Report abuse


Please stop reporting this garbage. Thanks.

Posted by: Barno1 | February 1, 2010 2:09 PM
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Blow it out your ass, you pompous, arrogant prick.

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | February 1, 2010 4:16 PM | Report abuse

I agree with Michael Lee about the Wiz not wanting to trade two starters for just cap space. They need to get some tangible assets as well. I don't see the Rockets giving up Scola, Landry, or Brooks, but if they could get Buddinger and/or Kyle Lowry (and maybe a pick), that would be a nice little return.

That's about the kind of deal the Wiz are looking at: decent young players who can contribute but fall short of star potential and mid-first round draft picks.

Posted by: kalo_rama | February 1, 2010 4:20 PM | Report abuse

I agree with Michael Lee about the Wiz not wanting to trade two starters for just cap space. They need to get some tangible assets as well. I don't see the Rockets giving up Scola, Landry, or Brooks, but if they could get Buddinger and/or Kyle Lowry (and maybe a pick), that would be a nice little return.

That's about the kind of deal the Wiz are looking at: decent young players who can contribute but fall short of star potential and mid-first round draft picks.

Posted by: kalo_rama | February 1, 2010 4:20 PM | Report abuse


That sounds OK to me as long as their contracts are easy, too.

Posted by: Blurred | February 1, 2010 4:26 PM | Report abuse

Clear cap space for who to come? The key with signing any free agent is the existing talent along with the money to be paid!

Wade can stay in Miami and lose! If u trade Butler, Jamison, haywood, who's left? Miller is free agent this season. Foy a restricted free agent. All you'll have is Blatche, Young and McGhee. I don't think any free agents will see that as appealing.

then they are going to give up Arenas for absolutely nothing in return.

Posted by: oknow1 | February 1, 2010 4:27 PM | Report abuse

What mr. lee indicated is EG would not like to add BH on Cb to get the expiring contract of Tmc.the only player and contract that has to go now is butler, BH should not be his package.It is hard to get an experianced center in the free market.The value of free agents this summer is not big due to the economy and salary cup.BH might sign with 7-8 million, very few clubs offer him more than that,BH is a smart man , he will not change a club for minor reasons, he just need 4 years garanted contract which is very appropriate.I am not expecting EG to rush in trading BH with out a good replacement.The value of BH is not seen since he is not playing beside a true PF.

Posted by: gtefferra | February 1, 2010 4:30 PM | Report abuse

Can't imagine why the Wizards would want Tracy McGrady who has been more injured than Gilbert Arenas over the years. It would be an extremely stupid move after getting burnt by Gilbert's contract. But, it would be consistent with past Wizard decisions.

Posted by: dallasb603 | February 1, 2010 4:02 PM | Report abuse

As stated by M. Lee, it's his expiring contract, and the cap room it would provide once it does end, that the Wizards apparently want, not McGrady himself. Of course, that raises the issue of whom the team could get to come here, even if they did have the cap room to sign free agents.

Posted by: rbpalmer | February 1, 2010 4:35 PM | Report abuse

They'll be able to get FAs to come if they have money, they just won't be able to get marquee, franchise altering FAs. But since they'll be in rebuilding mode anyway, that won't really be an issue. As long as they can avoid overpaying for mid-level contributors and structure contracts reasonably, they'll be able to fill out the roster with viable role players while (A) racking up trips in the lottery (B) hopefully developing a young-ish core who could develop into (1) a solid supporting cast if/when they do land a big fish or (2) trade bait further down the line as they look to upgrade.

Posted by: kalo_rama | February 1, 2010 4:44 PM | Report abuse

How much worse can this slide into oblivion last. Haywood at his best was never a starting center in college must less the NBA he is the image of Never Nervous Pervis! We got rid of the wrong center! If we got McGrady does that enhance our plyoff chances or brighten the future? "NO" come on lets' bring in the Bernie and Ernie show. This season is a wash let's plan for next year but don't pick up any more has beens or never was players. I'm a Wizard fan but I cringe everytime they play except when playing the Knicks or Nets. Please send up someone to go along with Jamison, Butler, Miller and the midget!

Posted by: smith_michael | February 1, 2010 4:46 PM | Report abuse

oknow1, your point is well taken: why clear cap space if there won't be quality players available to sign. I don't know all of the free agents out there, so consider me underinformed, but I believe that in professional sports, players go where there's money. So the fact that the wiz have below average talent shouldn't hamstring their effort to obtain talented FAs. Secondly, I don't think there are a lot of teams with significant cap space. Finally, maybe it wouldn't be such a bad idea to hang onto a little cash for 2011.

Posted by: ZardsFan1 | February 1, 2010 4:49 PM | Report abuse

BH might sign with 7-8 million, very few clubs offer him more than that,BH is a smart man , he will not change a club for minor reasons, he just need 4 years garanted contract which is very appropriate.

Posted by: gtefferra | February 1, 2010 4:30 PM | Report abuse

All it takes is ONE team willing to pay him an exorbitant salary, one based solely on his inflated production of the last year-and-a-half, rather than on his career as a whole. I'm not as confident as you appear to be that there isn't somebody out there willing to give him $9-10 mil a year. If the Wizards don't believe they can resign him, either because they don't want to overpay or because BH decides to bolt the team for a contender, then trading him makes sense.

Posted by: rbpalmer | February 1, 2010 4:55 PM | Report abuse

The Wizards just need to break it up and change the chairs in the room.

Other teams know that and unlike the Caps are not going to net that much back in these desperation/firesale deals.

This is what should have happened to this team in 2008.

Arenas should have been allowed to walk.

Jamison should have been a sign and trade deal.

The team could have kept Butler and worked to acquire FAs around him that might have put this team in the 45 win area right now.

Instead the team is dogging 15-20 wins this season and is only now starting to look at the future.

Posted by: leopard09 | February 1, 2010 4:55 PM | Report abuse

Leopard - have you watched any games this year?

Of Butler and Jamison, you think jamison is the underachiever?

I like both guys and loved Butler because of his scrappiness and ability to drive.

Butler has shown neither this season.

Posted by: Blurred | February 1, 2010 4:58 PM | Report abuse

Kalo...I'll just add that we should be stockpiling future 1st rounders any time we can.

As I've said before, getting a Gm to throw in a 2013 pick now should be easy, especially since not many of today's GMs will be with the same team by then anyway.

In 2013, if we are good, picking up and extra 1st rounder or trading it for the right role player is nice. If we suck, having an extra 1st rounder is key.

Posted by: Blurred | February 1, 2010 5:00 PM | Report abuse

kalo_

We know from previous reports that the Blazers would not give up Batum AND Fernandez for BTH... but current reports say that one of the two plus either Blake or Webster is apparently in the ballpark.

It has also been reported that after Oden blew his knee again, Portland was looking for a deal with the Wizzies where Pryzbilla and BTH changed uniforms, but then Przybilla went down.

Whoever said BTH was a benchwarmer in college obviously does not follow UNC that closely. BTH did four years there almost entirely as a stater on some pretty decent teams.

In any case, if Portland feels that with Roy coming back soon from his injury, Andre Miller suddenly playing like a world beater at guard, Aldridge putting up Jamison type numbers (I find them very similar players) and so on, then they want to make a run for it all this year... and in that situation BTH is a logical piece for them to covet. They have a logjam at the wing, and they cannot give serious minutes to Batum, Fernandez and Webster, so someone or ones is going to have to go.

Plus I don't think they envision "renting" Brendan for this season only. Oden (who is still on a cheap rookie contract) is problematic and if Haywood played well there in the second half of this season, they would probably want to keep him around.

Posted by: khrabb | February 1, 2010 5:04 PM | Report abuse

Caron Butler is NOT the guy the Wiz needs to trade.

Antoine Jamison is that guy! Get rid of him please!

My complaint has nothing to do with Jamison's ability. He can play, don't get me wrong. But for THIS team? He's not the fit we need. Caron is the ONLY guy who brings what we look for in my opinion.

People can complain all they want about this and that but when Caron had the chance to start without Gilbert and Jamison in the line-up, he excelled...and the main reason was the young players on the floors scrapped just like he did.

Run plays for Jamison and watch how soft the offense gets!

Get rid of him...get some toughness on this squad like yesterday!

Posted by: cbmuzik | February 1, 2010 5:07 PM | Report abuse

T-Mac's had a notorious lack of success in games that actually matter. He'd fit right in on the Wizards. The Wizards are looking to clear space, but unfortunately no FA wants to come here...

Posted by: randysbailin | February 1, 2010 5:16 PM | Report abuse

Haywood is going to go to the highest bidder, and we don't want to be in that competition. Not worth it. He's playing well this year, within his limits, but he is very limited on offense. So we should trade him so we get something in return. I like the deal with Portland, if we can swing it.

Miller's in the same boat. He's going to go for the best deal and it will be difficult for the Wiz to compete. Does anyone think he wants to return to THIS team? So, we need to move him so we can get something in return. I think there are MANY teams who would want his playmaking and clutch shooting. Interesting that his family is living in Los Angeles, and yet he didn't audition well for the Lakers when they were here.

There's a lot of auditioning going on. I think that's why Butler insisted on taking the final shot against the Mavs ... to boost his trade stock. It didn't work, but there are still plenty of teams who want him. We should deal him.

Jamison is a future Hall of Famer and he shows it most games. He's also a decent guy who plays to win every night (except when he is "struggling mentally," and the current situation has got him in a funk. But I would hold on to him rather than let him go in a fire sale. He's worth more than Z (who's talking about retiring) and Hickson.

Unless someone offers Foye a gold mine, we ought to match it and keep him. Blatche, Young and, McGuire all might be part of the trade bait, but I wouldn't mind seeing them stay and grow here. Same with McGee. We don't want to let that stud go.

Posted by: zinger1 | February 1, 2010 5:23 PM | Report abuse

"We know from previous reports that the Blazers would not give up Batum AND Fernandez for BTH... but current reports say that one of the two plus either Blake or Webster is apparently in the ballpark."

What "current report" is that? Because the only reports I've seen have said that nothing is imminent. If it's "in the ball park" then why haven't the Blazers taken a swing?

"It has also been reported that after Oden blew his knee again, Portland was looking for a deal with the Wizzies where Pryzbilla and BTH changed uniforms, but then Przybilla went down."

And a good part of the reason why the Blazers were considering that deal is money. Haywood is a FA this summer, but Przybilla has one more year left at about $7 mill. A deal like that would have freed up money Portland could have used to be a major player in this summer's FA market. They were not about to offer Haywood the kind of money he wants, esp since, if all goes according to Portland's plan, he would end up being Oden's backup.

"Plus I don't think they envision "renting" Brendan for this season only. Oden (who is still on a cheap rookie contract) is problematic and if Haywood played well there in the second half of this season, they would probably want to keep him around."

Of course, now that Przybilla's hurt, there's little to no chance of an offseason trade for him, which means that in order to sign Haywood the Blazers would essentially have to eat Przbylla's deal at least until he's healthy enough to prove he can still play (or the midpoint of the the season when his expiring contract would be an asset) and broker a deal. It's highly unlikely that a team as clearly cost conscious as the Blazers would tie up upwards of $14-15 mill in two 30+ year-old journeyman Cs who provide no offensive production and, while serviceable (Haywood) to solid (Przy) on the other end, are hardly dominant.

Posted by: kalo_rama | February 1, 2010 5:24 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: SDMDTSU | February 1, 2010 5:34 PM | Report abuse

would people stop thinking of tmac as someone who can help the team, he's nothing more than an expiring contract ... this season is shot so who cares what he can add and when the season is over,he's gone ... that being said, there's little upside to making this trade, its basically the wiz paying a few million(the extra money in tmac's deal) in exchange for being able to get out of the last year of caron's deal ... haywood should only be traded for assets ... jamison should be dumped for cap relief and we should keep butler, he only has one year left at just 10 mil, there has to be at least one watchable player on this team

Posted by: hireaaron | February 1, 2010 5:49 PM | Report abuse

I was reading quickly through the above comments and noted that someone has Jamison going to the Hall of Fame. Clearly I was reading too quickly as I can't believe that anyone actually believes that such a proposition is possible...

Posted by: randysbailin | February 1, 2010 6:06 PM | Report abuse

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/02/01/AR2010020102795.html

Posted by: SDMDTSU | February 1, 2010 5:34 PM |

Looks like Gil's starting to mend fences.
In a couple / three monmths it will all but be forgotten & he'll be back a Wizzie next season.

Posted by: VBFan | February 1, 2010 6:14 PM | Report abuse

Kalo_ you are right Portland has not swung yet, but if they do I will buy you a Fernandez Wizzies home jersey.

You are also right that the Blazers can't keep two $7 million back-up centers next year but IF they think they have any kind of a shot this year (not my job to decide but if you look at what Miller has been doing lately, then figure Roy to come back soon, and Aldridge rolling at 20-10, eh, they can dream), they need Haywood now. They could find a market for Przybilla next year, but I gotta think they are very worried about Oden and at that point the Haywood-Pryzbilla combination might not look all that bad.

Portland's owner has money, not stupid money but smart money to take a risk on what could be a deep (and therefore profitable) playoff run this year.

We will know soon enough.

Posted by: khrabb | February 1, 2010 6:30 PM | Report abuse

Wow, You guys need to check your "league source." Rudy Fernandez and Joel Przybilla? You're kidding right? There is absolutely NO WAY Portland would deal either of those guys for Haywood. I'm sorry but you guys need to wake up. The only guys on Portland's roster that would be dealt this year for Haywood (injury or not) are Dante Cunningham, Steve Blake, maybe (as in a slim chance) Martell Webster and Travis Outlaw. That's it.

Why would Portland deal a healthy Przybilla for Haywood? Money? Riiiight. It's not like Portland is going to have any money in the offseason to spend anyway. Roy and Aldridge's extensions kick in this summer eating up any cap space they might have. And that's before they have to think about giving Oden an extension.

Now, I could possibly see Rudy Fernandez wanting out if Roy is healthy because they can't figure out how to play off of each other. Fernandez seems like most of these Spanish guys who just want to be stars on midlevel teams. But you can bet that Pritchard is a hell of a lot smarter than to just throw him away for a 30 year old center who's not even close to being elite. Now if Caron Butler were being thrown in here, then this "rumor" might have some legs. As it stands now, there is absolutely no way any of this happens for the players being mentioned.

**IF** anything at all happens with this, it will be a deal surrounding Steve Blake (who isn't a bad fit for Washington) and possibly a rookie or Travis Outlaw. Blake and Outlaw are both expiring contracts @ 7.6 million combined. It's also highly possible for Washington to really get something they want, that another team needs to be involved. Portland won't deal their young talent for a player like Haywood.

And just FYI, it's possible that Washington demanding both Batum and Fernandez put a really bad taste in Portland's mouth, and may make them reluctant to deal with Washington. It's laughable to think Portland would have gone for that.

Posted by: sugarsod | February 1, 2010 6:41 PM | Report abuse

Stranger things have happened. I remember once this team traded Chris Webber for Mitch Richmond. Then there was the Caron Butler for Kwame Brown deal.

Posted by: anacostia85 | February 1, 2010 7:01 PM | Report abuse

Stranger things have happened. I remember once this team traded Chris Webber for Mitch Richmond. Then there was the Caron Butler for Kwame Brown deal.

Posted by: anacostia85 | February 1, 2010 7:02 PM | Report abuse

This has been roughly the state of talks for nearly a month, with the sides determined to wait for the other to move off its demands closer to the trade deadline, and the Rockets' hoping that teams will be more compelled to make a deal than the Rockets are because they have something to gain long-term by doing nothing at all.

I can, however, share something from a friend who is a long-time scout and front office guy. I had come over thinking Andre Iguodala would be a better get than Caron Butler. He strongly disagreed, arguing that neither is a guy that carries a team, but Iguodala has the contract of one. Butler has one more year left on his deal. He said Butler "isn't a good guy, he's a great guy." Most of all, he said Butler is a better fit, giving the Rockets shooting they desperately need and that would work well next season with Yao Ming.

On the other hand, it's tough to know how much to make of Butler's struggles this season and if he can shake off the years of being a Wiz. A change of scenery helps some guys. Others get stuck in that sort of mode when playing too long for a mess of a team such as the Wizards. It is a condition known as Clipperitis.

My bet is that Butler is so competitive, such a tough-minded player, he would thrive if he can join a winner, particularly when Yao starts getting everyone open shots again next season.

Either way, it still seems like a long way to go to get to Feb. 18.

Posted by: anacostia85 | February 1, 2010 7:04 PM | Report abuse

If I'm not mistaken, I think that Haywood is a restricted free agent, so the Wizards have the right to match any offer. If that is true, I don't think Haywood should be traded.

If I were GM, I would make Jamison and Butler the centerpiece of any trade talks. Jamison alone should be able to fetch an expiring, serviceable player and draft picks. Butler, plus filler, would likely be good for an expiring like McGrady.

The Butler for McGrady deal is intriguing to me -- not just because watching Butler aggravates me to no end, but that it would mean:

- we receive a significant boost in talent on the roster
- we get a hungry player with much to prove
- an opportunity to evaluate McGrady in our system to see if he has anything left and can be resigned on the cheap at season's end or jettisoned for cap relief.
- an addition by subtraction

Posted by: bazookajoe1 | February 1, 2010 7:11 PM | Report abuse

"If I'm not mistaken, I think that Haywood is a restricted free agent, so the Wizards have the right to match any offer."

You're mistaken. (Not that it would actually matter if he were restricted. They still aren't going to give him the kind of money he wants.)

Posted by: kalo_rama | February 1, 2010 8:30 PM | Report abuse

"It's not like Portland is going to have any money in the offseason to spend anyway. Roy and Aldridge's extensions kick in this summer eating up any cap space they might have."

Not true. The specific amount of Roy's deal won't be known until next year's salary cap is set, but without Roy's deal factored in (and with Aldrige's included) the Blazers will have a payroll of about $41 mill next season, about $13-14 mill below the projected cap of +/-$54 mill.

http://hoopshype.com/salaries/portland.htm


Roy's deal will probably start in the $12-14 mill range, putting the Blazers just at or below the cap. If they could clear the $7+ mill on Przybilla's deal by trading for Haywood and renouncing him at season's end, they could have anywhere from $7 to $9 mill in cap space, not enough for a top-tier star, but enough to sign a solid FA or two.

There's no other conceivable reason why the Blazers would even think about trading a healthy Przybilla for Haywood.

Posted by: kalo_rama | February 1, 2010 8:40 PM | Report abuse

anacostia85: Why did you copy and paste Jonathan Feigen's words exactly? Anybody else want to see the plagiarism at work? here's the link: http://blogs.chron.com/nba/2010/02/suns_115_rockets_111_missed_sh.html

Don't mean to be a comment nazi here, but come on. At least try to convey an original thought.

@ Kalo: I think you may be right. If Portland had traded Przybilla for Haywood, they would have had 13.6 million in contracts coming off the books in 3 players. Obviously they'd need to renounce all of them, but I'm not sure on the math. I didn't look to be honest.

Posted by: sugarsod | February 1, 2010 9:01 PM | Report abuse

here it is again!ernie wernie is ready to do so moe dum sh-t!another stupid move is in the works.t-mac is a has-been,and cant stay healthy,so how in the hell can he help the wiz?and these others names mentioned ,who are they?more lower middle level type of players,who will phizz out just like all the rest of ernies super moves!hurry up and get that sucka outta d.c.!

Posted by: billydee123 | February 2, 2010 1:05 AM | Report abuse

Whatever has to be done to clear space/make room for LeBron.

Posted by: BMoreChil | February 2, 2010 6:57 AM | Report abuse

As a Houston resident and lifelong Rocket fan I wouldn't mind picking up Butler and Haywood(I think Haywood's contract expires at the end of the year but I might be wrong so help me out here Wizard fan). The rumor in Houston yesterday was T-Mac and Buddinger for Butler and Haywood. I think this deal is unlikely though because I think the Rockets are going to target Bosh and/or D-Wade in the offseason and Butler has a year left on his contract after this one. If the Rockets were to go after Bosh this season via trade I'd be willing to throw in Scola but think Landry and Brooks have too much upside at this point in their careers to part with.

Posted by: kitzdakat | February 2, 2010 7:04 AM | Report abuse

Hey Caron, I think it is time for you to start doing the Dew thing again...
BLOW THE WIZARDS UP!!!!!

Posted by: jahjank | February 2, 2010 9:38 AM | Report abuse

jamison a future hall of famer??? pass me that joint!

Posted by: dcjazzman | February 2, 2010 9:59 AM | Report abuse

Haywood, Jamison and Butler can pack their bags and be out...

Posted by: scoopluv8 | February 2, 2010 10:08 AM | Report abuse

McGrady for Butler? Where do I sign? I'd do that trade in a hummingbird's heartbeat. Butler has this compulsion to dribble the ball all over the court, and half his dribbles go off his foot out of bounds. And he is one of the most selfish players in the NBA.

Now Haywood I like, but face it, he's no better than a second-tier center.

But there is something very wrong with Jamison these days. He looks very much to me like he is playing under the cloud of some illness. His shots are weak, almost always falling short, he's getting pushed around, he's fumbling rebounds, and he always looks slow and tired. It almost looks like he has the flu, but it's lasted so long.

The fact that he's still getting pretty good numbers is a testament to the guy's incredible ability as a true warrior, but he just doesn't look like the Antawn Jamison that I have known over the years. Maybe the beating he takes in every game is finally taking its toll.

If there is some reason that JaVale McGee is relegated to the 12th-man role (if even that -- he NEVER seems to get any playing time), would someone please explain it to me? If they had plus-minus ratings of basketball players like they do in hockey, I think he'd be a big plus.

But I would like to point out that, if Arenas were playing, we'd almost certainly have won again last night.

Posted by: FergusonFoont | February 2, 2010 10:29 AM | Report abuse

Gtunfeld is a freaking incompetent idiot when it comes to being a basketball General Manager. He is definitely living off of his past laurels.

The Bullets don't need a washed up , injury prone Mcgrady and trading Haywood is ridiculous. If Haywood had a little help on the boards consistantly and if Grunfeld kept this years 2nd round pick he could have had Dujan Blair who is flourishing in San Antonio .
New Ownership please fire Grunfeld , please

Posted by: BeatDontStop | February 2, 2010 11:24 AM | Report abuse

Grunfield needs to go; he is the Vinny Cereto of the Wizards. Haywood in trade talks, please. Haywood and Jamison should be the one's who are not tradeable. Shop Caron for someone like Chris Bosh, not someone who played something like 10 in the past year. He has a history of chronic back problems. If Haywood is traded, they better someone of better quality or they better start playing McGee more minutes to prepare him. Flip is another sorry piece of work. He don't even play this kid. He has a tremendous upside.

Posted by: sheppard1 | February 2, 2010 1:03 PM | Report abuse

Caron Butler has really been a disappointment this season even after Agent Zero has let us down in the wake of his gun fiasco...? I thought Caron was tough juice but all I see is lemonade playing, he's been playing soft and with lack of rage!
Why havent the Wizards got involved with Stud Amire!! He's a dog but we have to stop signing players that play soft. Who intimidates anyone on this team.
You may all not like hearing this but I say We Keep Gil.

Posted by: waynewonent | February 2, 2010 1:23 PM | Report abuse

For anyone that does not think Haywood will get any big offers, I got some names for you....former Bullet "Jimmy Mac," former Knick "Jerome James," and the original "John Koncak."

Posted by: SportzWiz | February 2, 2010 5:08 PM | Report abuse

And will the people saying the Wiz should trade everyone away for draft picks please get off it.

Stockpiling low first round picks will not make for a good team. Do you want a team full of Nick Youngs? Plus the Cap makes it complicated to do so.

Portland has spent years collecting/buying mid-to-low first round picks, but the players that make them winners (Roy and Aldridge) are both top five picks.

The Wiz should try to make some trades, but keep playing hardball. If playoff teams keep acting like buzzards flying over a corpse, (like Cavs not even willing to give-up Hickson for Jamison) don't make the deal.

It's usually said that you can't get something for nothing, but the problem in the NBA is that the salary cap makes trades that are far from fair happen all the time. I don't want the Wizards to be victims.

Posted by: SportzWiz | February 2, 2010 5:38 PM | Report abuse

Why on God's green earth would the Wizards want Tracy McGrady? He used to be a great scorer. Now he's a ball hog with bad wheels.

Posted by: Cossackathon | February 2, 2010 5:46 PM | Report abuse

...what a season. My "inside sources" tell me at least one trade is imminent and a second one will certainly occur before the deadline. My feeling is Haywood will be out the door first. And then Butler. If GA comes back, he should not be brought back as the starting point guard. It is clear that GA cannot be the top dog on any successful team. But he may be effective as 2nd or 3rd banana. So maybe relegate him to 6th man, first off the bench next year. Trade Butler for draft picks and or an older vet Arenas respects who plays solid defense, preferably at PG. Don't think they will get much for Haywood and are probably hoping for an expiring contract and draft pick.

Posted by: oddjob1 | February 2, 2010 5:47 PM | Report abuse

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