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Wizards working on three-team deal?

A league source informed me that a possible three-way deal involving the Wizards, New York and Houston "doesn't have legs right now." Yahoo! Sports NBA columnist Adrian Wojnarowski reported on Wednesday that the Knicks, Rockets and Wizards "are in the discussion stages of a complicated" trade that would send Tracy McGrady to the Knicks, Caron Butler and Brendan Haywood to the Rockets and Al Harrington to the Wizards. Another source confirmed the discussions, but added that nothing is imminent.

The Rockets are actively working to move McGrady's $23-million expiring contract and they have been in discussion with the Wizards for several weeks. Although the basic framework is set, more pieces would have to be included to make any deal work because the salaries don't match up. The Wizards also have little interest in taking back salary, unless it is coming from a young prospect or a valued rotation player. They are also seeking a draft pick to make any deal work.

Harrington is in the last year of a deal that pays him about $10 million, but he is also the Knicks' second-leading scorer at 17.8 points per game. He's actually scoring better and shooting better than Butler this season. The Wizards were interested in acquiring Harrington in the summer of 2004, but President Ernie Grunfeld decided to make a deal for Antawn Jamison instead.

Jamison continues to be linked to Cleveland. But the league source said that while the teams have talked, the Cavaliers have yet to present an offer to get a deal done. That could change in the next week, but is growing less likely with Cleveland having the best record in the league and on a 12-game winning streak -- with Mo Williams and Delonte West sidelined.

The Wizards appear to be open to the salary cap relief that comes from an expiring deal, which means that Dallas also remains a possible destination for Butler. The Mavericks have been slumping miserably of late, and are coming off humiliating 36-point loss to Denver last night. They are offering Josh Howard, who is having an awful season and has complained about his role. Howard essentially has an expiring deal, since there is a team option on his $11.8-million salary next season.

Butler has helped raise his value, scoring 54 points in the past two games. And as I reported after the win in Orlando, he already sounds like someone who has accepted that he will get dealt. We'll know for certain in the next eight days.

By Michael Lee  |  February 10, 2010; 1:29 PM ET
 
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Butler has helped raise his value, scoring 54 points in the past two games.
Char game CB 10-23 1-6 2-2 4 rebs 8 ast 5 to's
Orl game CB 11-22 1-4 8-8 9 rebs 2 ast 3 to’s
Total CB 21-45 2-10 10-10 12 rebs 10 ast 8 to’s

54 points – 10 free throws = 44 points on 55 shots?

If he is traded he will never get that amount of touches with Dallas. I can see why they would want to trade Howard.

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | February 10, 2010 1:55 PM | Report abuse

Just move Jamison. Team leader or not, he's getting too old, the guy is soft and takes too many threes.

Resign Haywood, there's just not enough good centers out there.

Keep Butler.

Resign Miller.

Try to send Mike James expiring deal to a team in exchange for a hustle 3/4.

Decide on Foye later.

Try to get Blathce and even more so McGee, more playing time. Don't waste another year like Tapscott did with him last year.

Posted by: saltine182 | February 10, 2010 2:02 PM | Report abuse

That trade sounds awful for the wizards giving up 2 starters for Al Harrington? I can see just butler, but Haywood too? Seems like there has to be a better offer out there then that.

Posted by: ms1s90 | February 10, 2010 2:03 PM | Report abuse

June 03, Ernie was named president of basketball operations.
1st move
July 03, released assistant coach Patrick Ewing and replaced him with Phil Hubbard? No wonder our big men never improve.
04 Drafted Peter John Ramos?
July 04 Matched the offer sheet for Etan Thomas?
05 draft Andray Blatche
06 draft OP and Vladimir Veremeenko?
06 signed Eddie Jordan to a contract extension?
07 drafted NY and McGuire?
Aug 07 Named ETaps director of player development. Mike Brown did a better job a FIMA?
July 08 resigned Gil?
Nov 08 fired Eddie Jordan and put ETaps in as coach?
09 draft traded the 5th pick for what will ends up being Foye and sells the 2nd pick instead of drafting Blair and signs Oberto
Hired Flip
Signs Boykins?

And this is the guy some people want to try and turn this mess around?

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | February 10, 2010 2:10 PM | Report abuse

hopefully mcgee, blatche, and young will be starting next week, one way or another.

Posted by: divi3 | February 10, 2010 2:16 PM | Report abuse

Why in heavens name would you trade away the only starting-caliber center on the team? Don't like this deal at all.

Posted by: tundey | February 10, 2010 2:25 PM | Report abuse

"Why in heavens name would you trade away the only starting-caliber center on the team? Don't like this deal at all."

Because he's a free agent after this season, so it's a matter of getting nothing whatsoever for him then or a little something now.

Posted by: divi3 | February 10, 2010 2:29 PM | Report abuse

Bulletsfan78, seems as if you are being very selective in choosing your facts. How did Gil get here in the first place? What about Caron and Jamison? How are Larry Hughes and Jared Jeffries performing for their respective teams?

Listen, if I became the new owner of the Wizards tomorrow, I would fire EG immediately, but I wouldn't ignore the fact that under his tenure the Wizards were far more competitive than they had been during the previous 20 years.

Posted by: ZardsFan1 | February 10, 2010 2:32 PM | Report abuse

Also, BF78 - How did Patrick Ewing help Kwame? How about Jahidi White? How about our very own HERO Haywood?

Don't get me wrong, I can see having Pat as an asset, but blaming our big man woes on getting rid of him is a stretch.

Posted by: Blurred | February 10, 2010 2:42 PM | Report abuse

Resign Haywood, there's just not enough good centers out there
Posted by: saltine182 | February 10, 2010 2:02 PM | Report abuse

YAWNNNN!!!! Divi? Kalo? You guys want to handle this one?

1) Haywood is a mediocre center playing his best ball ever this year. He is playing for a contract and I believe his past behavior shows that he will be a lazy, whining underperformer again next year, when he gets signed somewhere.

2)There are not enough good centers out there is correct. Haywood is part of that problem. Even in his best year, he is not a top tier center. He is a perfectly passable 2nd or 3rd stringer...someone who can excel against the back ups and Dwight Howard. But get schooled by 6'9" 37 year old fillins like Juwan Howard.

3) It is going to take a big money ($8 million+/year) longer term contract to wrap him up because a lot of people get irrational about 7fters. Do we really want to be stuck paying a 33yo, lazy, weak Haywood $10 mil in 2013?

Posted by: Blurred | February 10, 2010 2:48 PM | Report abuse

Furthermore, while I don't doubt that having Ewing around helped DHoward, being uncommonly strong and athletic and having a good work ethic didn't hurt either.

Posted by: kalo_rama | February 10, 2010 2:49 PM | Report abuse

oh yes...and one more time:

Buckhantz: "and haywood is stripped by Rondo."

Says it all. I have never heard a man's entire career so succinctly described.

Posted by: Blurred | February 10, 2010 2:51 PM | Report abuse

Why in heavens name would you trade away the only starting-caliber center on the team? Don't like this deal at all.

Posted by: tundey | February 10, 2010 2:25 PM

Because they have screwed him over so badly that he has no intentions of resigning with this current bunch and they know it.

In the eleventh hour now they are trying to address the value in Brendan Haywood instead of using and developing what he had all along.

My daddy always told me..."Son, you can get always get more with honey than you can with vinegar."

You see this organization like most bloggers here were so obsessed with what Haywood couldn't do and what they wanted in a center, essentially discredited what Haywood could do.

He is a legitimate, serviceable, NBA center and instead of encouraging him, and helping him to develop to be a much better center, they choose the hard approach.

A lot of bloggers here like the hard approach. He's being paid millions so it is all on him to be better. That approach works in some cases, but it did not work with Haywood.

Now it appears that Haywood may be gone. I am a Wizards fan and hope it is for the better for them, but I don't think so.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | February 10, 2010 2:58 PM | Report abuse

Funny thing is...If I were Cleveland, Haywood is the guy I'd want, not jamison.

As strange as it seems, Haywood can slow Howard down considerably and can score on him. To win the championship you have to get to the finals. Haywood helps them beat Orlando to get further on that way.

Of Course you have to sit Haywood against Atlanta and Boston, lest you hear the dreaded "Haywood is stripped by Rondo/Johnson/Felton."

Posted by: Blurred | February 10, 2010 3:02 PM | Report abuse

There is noting that makes this three way trade good for washington other than a lottery pick.I do not think EG would do that unless he is able to get rid of DS.it is fine to get JJ for DS, he is a defense 1st player, he plays multiple position, he could be a good help to find a future identitiy in defense.In general i do not believe in sending CB just not to pay tax and to get a late 1st round pick.
I will say it again he need to send AJ for 1st round pick and expiring contract.

Posted by: gtefferra | February 10, 2010 3:05 PM | Report abuse

Also, BF78 - How did Patrick Ewing help Kwame? How about Jahidi White? How about our very own HERO Haywood?

Don't get me wrong, I can see having Pat as an asset, but blaming our big man woes on getting rid of him is a stretch.


Posted by: Blurred | February 10, 2010 2:42 PM


How did ANYONE help Kwame or Jahidi?

Posted by: artiesliver | February 10, 2010 3:08 PM | Report abuse

Harrington is O.K, but not worth Butler and Haywood....I understand a first rd pick is valuable, but recent history shows that we cant develop young talent..

Make that trade with Houston but instead receive McGrady and hopefully someone/something else in return.

McGrady will at least make up with the lack of attendance..Maybe?

With this being said, it will be a shame to see Butler or Jamison be traded away for some scrubs..but it looks like that's the direction the wizards want to go.

Posted by: crisco00786 | February 10, 2010 3:11 PM | Report abuse

DS has one value only...the value of his expiring contract. He will be either making vet minimum or be on 10-days next year.

Posted by: Blurred | February 10, 2010 3:11 PM | Report abuse

according to espn's play-by-play, haywood's 4th quarter production last night was the familiar:

0-0fg 0-0ft 0pts, 0rebs, 0assists, 0 blocks

Did he sit out the entire 4th quarter? I didnt see the game

Posted by: divi3 | February 10, 2010 3:12 PM | Report abuse

How did ANYONE help Kwame or Jahidi?

Posted by: artiesliver | February 10, 2010 3:08 PM | Report abuse

Exactly my point...You can blame EG for a lot, but getting rid of Pat Ewing didn't hurt this team much because our big men have been unteachable.

And Larry...Haywood has had more chances than any other center on this team for the past 9 years and still only mediocre.

Posted by: Blurred | February 10, 2010 3:16 PM | Report abuse

And oh, by the way, Lo and behold, far be it from me, like Blurred is saying above, that THE WIZARDS, should pay a serviceable NBA center what he is worth.

Hah! Guess what. McGee, you're next with this bunch.

Gag me with a Maggott. Ted can't buy out this bunch quick enough.

And I hope he has sent the word to the 'Gang That Can't Shoot Straight' not to pull the string on a single trade and to standfast on anything without his approval.

Boy, that would get their blood a boiling. They haven't had a pulse worth counting anyways.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | February 10, 2010 3:17 PM | Report abuse

Haywood is a decent NBA center, but obviously not great.

The reason he is seemingly having the best year of his career is because he is playing 35+ minutes most nights instead of the 20-25 minutes he played for EJ and ET.

Your stats look better when you get 10+ more minutesa night to get points, rebounds and blocks.

Haywood is actually a good deal better around the basket than when he first came in the league and has better hands also, because he has learned to keep the ball up as much as possible.

He has worked to improve his game as much as he can. I also consider Haywood somewhat of a leader on this team. The comments he makes after games make sense and he understands the value of defense.

Just thought I would mention some positives about BH.

Posted by: cannontl | February 10, 2010 3:17 PM | Report abuse

"Why in heavens name would you trade away the only starting-caliber center on the team? Don't like this deal at all."

Because he's a free agent after this season, so it's a matter of getting nothing whatsoever for him then or a little something now.

Posted by: divi3 | February 10, 2010 2:29

Pay him market value and he might stay. Giving him away is a terrible move, which makes it all the more likely to happen on this team.

Posted by: original_mark | February 10, 2010 3:17 PM | Report abuse

Pay him market value and he might stay. Giving him away is a terrible move, which makes it all the more likely to happen on this team.

Posted by: original_mark

Why do that during a rebuild? He'll be old by the time the team may be really competitive again. If we are doomed to suck for awhile, it should be done on the cheap with an eye to developing young players right?

Posted by: divi3 | February 10, 2010 3:23 PM | Report abuse

"Pay him market value and he might stay."

Not if a team with better prospects for winning (which is most of the teams in the NBA) offers him market value as well.

Posted by: kalo_rama | February 10, 2010 3:30 PM | Report abuse

I've always liked Harrington... but that is an awful trade.

Posted by: Darnell1 | February 10, 2010 3:49 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Blurred | February 10, 2010 2:48 PM

Is there more than 8/9 centers out there better than Haywood?

There are 6/7 definites. Maybe 4/5 who are arguable at best.

Sign the guy, just not to an unreasonable deal. The guy has been durable and improved over the past coule years.

Posted by: saltine182 | February 10, 2010 4:03 PM | Report abuse

The guy has been durable and improved over the past coule years.

Posted by: saltine182 | February 10, 2010 4:03 PM

And I know he was out last year with the wrist injury, but that was a freak injury. With the 7-footers you have to worry about the knees and feet.

Posted by: saltine182 | February 10, 2010 4:05 PM | Report abuse

& I hope this deal NEVER gets legs.... WHY should the Wizards give up TWO starters, incl. our only big man, for some crap???? Teams are looking at the Wizards like day of meat - It will still taste good, won't hurt you are all, but the one flaw - the date (OUR RECORD!!) you refuse to pay what it is worth.

The Wizards would be FOOLISH to make such a deal.....

Posted by: 2StepsAway | February 10, 2010 4:06 PM | Report abuse

Wizards send Haywood, Butler to Houston.. Mike James to NY

Houston sends McGrady to NY.. 1st round pick to Washington

NY sends Harrington and Larry Hughes to Washington.. Jeffries to Houston

Posted by: Darnell1 | February 10, 2010 4:09 PM | Report abuse

Haywood clearly wants out and will leave for a large FA contract with a contender after the season. It's a shame the Wizards didn't recognize his value to the team earlier in his career, develop him, and then have him signed to an extension. He will be the hardest player on the roster to replace. As for Butler, he may want to stay here but he will bring the most back in terms of value.

I certainly hope the Wiz can net more than the expiring contract of Tracy McGrady and Al Harrington who also will be a FA after the season. Houston has a solid young backup PG Kyle Lowry who played with Foye at Villanova. Getting him as part of the proposed three player trade would be a coup for the Wiz. Unloading DSS on either NY or Houston would be even better since his $4+ contract is the worse the Wiz have on the roster for next year.

Posted by: wizfan89 | February 10, 2010 4:26 PM | Report abuse

Larry - the problem isn't paying him what he is worth...We are already doing that and a 20-30% pay raise would be palatable.

The problem is he is a 30 year old center with small, soft hands. this is his last real payday, so he is going to make a team go an extra year or two on his contract.

A team that is looking to win NOW can do that, because they will worry about the big payday down the road another time.

The premise is this:
We aren't vying for a championship this year or next.

The questions are these:
Will Haywood, by then 33 or 34, be helping us win playoff games in 2013?

And...How will we be able to ditch his 10 mill+/yr contract with 2-4 years left at that point when he has reverted to his career averages and less because he is even slower then than now and has less to work for. And that is barring any injuries. Which there will be because he will be in his mid-30s and a professional athlete.

That's why I say don't resign him. he adds no short term benifit to a lousy team and will offer a huge hindrance in a couple years when we might be good.

Posted by: Blurred | February 10, 2010 4:26 PM | Report abuse

@Blurred,

That all sounds good and appears to be good logic. However, why is it definite that Haywood would not be a good asset to a rebuilding team.

And why is it that so many are so sure how the next 3-5 years will play out.

And as to Haywoods projected health, with the way the Wizards underused and underdeloped him, who can really say that this guy might not bloom until he is 40.

Big guys playing till they are 40 is not something new.

We can predict forward, but no one really knows. But, what I do know is that, health wise, Haywood appears to be quite durable and his frame and body type bodes well for him going forward.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | February 10, 2010 4:54 PM | Report abuse

ESPN's NBA trade machine is great, this trade works and I would not be surprised to see it happen:

Washington gets: Harrington and Nate Robinson from Knicks(both expiring contracts, Houstons 2010 first round pick and Knicks 2011 first round pick.

Houston gets: Haywood, Butler, Jared Jeffries(and his 2010 cap hit)

Knicks get: McGrady(and no more JJ or Robinson, addition by subtraction)

Then the Wiz can trade Jamison to Cleveland for Illgauskus and JJ Hickson or a first round pick.

I think they will also probably end up trading Miller, Foye, and Blatche to contenders.

It would be great to see the Wiz rebuild by collecting draft picks and prospects the way the Caps did.

Also after all that trading we could be looking at a starting line up of: Nate Robinson, Young, Harrington, Hickson, and Big Z, thats pretty respectable and could even make a run at the playoffs in the east.

Posted by: peteywheatstraw | February 10, 2010 4:57 PM | Report abuse

We can predict forward, but no one really knows. But, what I do know is that, health wise, Haywood appears to be quite durable and his frame and body type bodes well for him going forward.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD

except for the entire year he missed.

He could play until he is 40, but I think we need to remember that he was not considered good enough to beat our Etan thomas for the official starter position for years.

ETAN THOMAS!!!!!

Blame it on the coach or whatever, but all you got to do to win that job is play well everytime you are on the court. And that is the problem here.

Haywood has shown he can have 18/15 nights. But they are like 3 times a season and never more than 2 games in a row.

I always had good hopes for haywood and he has let me down enough times for me to give up on him.

He is not a starting center on a good team and his work ethic is so clearly lacking since he still has no real go to move, hasn't learned how to hold on to the ball and is so much weaker than virtually every "impact" center in the league.

You can blame a lot of that on coaching if you want. but all it takes is hard work to get your as s to the gym and lift weights for a couple hours every day during the offseason. that ain't EG, EJ, ET or FS's fault. that haywood's!

Posted by: Blurred | February 10, 2010 5:03 PM | Report abuse

"However, why is it definite that Haywood would not be a good asset to a rebuilding team."

Because given his age and price tag, having him on a team with no real odds of being competitive at a high level would take up cap and roster space better used to acquire and develop players who will still be around (or can be used as trade assets) when the team is actually good enough to compete.

"Big guys playing till they are 40 is not something new."

And unless you're talking about guys with All-Star caliber talent, they usually stop being effective in anything more than a supporting role by the time they hit their mid-30s. If Haywood gets the kind of contract he's looking for, he'll be overpaid for that kind of role at that age.

"But, what I do know is that, health wise, Haywood appears to be quite durable and his frame and body type bodes well for him going forward."

His "frame and body type"? Please. Greg Oden has the same "frame and body type" and he hasn't made it through a season in the past 3 years without getting hurt. Strength and conditioning is all well and good, but at the end of the day, an athlete not getting hurt depends a lot on luck. And as your boy Mark Jackson likes to say, Father Time is undefeated. The older you get the more susceptible to injury your body becomes.

Posted by: kalo_rama | February 10, 2010 5:07 PM | Report abuse

It would be great to see the Wiz rebuild by collecting draft picks and prospects the way the Caps did.


Posted by: peteywheatstraw | February 10, 2010 4:57 PM | Report abuse

Yea, as long as Ernie isn't the guy making the draft picks!

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | February 10, 2010 5:16 PM | Report abuse

Hey bulletsfan78---

I can't believe you started a post by decrying the firing of Pat Ewing as coach. Holy cow, man - that is easily the most ludicrious post I've seen on here (which is saying a lot). Are you really wondering why Pat keeps begging for a job - and showing no pride - and still never gets considered. In fact, getting him away from our players may be the BEST thing Grunfield has done. Good lord. Pat Ewing as coach?????? I hate to pull a Kalo but that's a really silly comment, man.

Posted by: Urnesto | February 10, 2010 5:24 PM | Report abuse

Also, Blurred-----

When you post stuff like:

"Resign Haywood, there's just not enough good centers out there
Posted by: saltine182 | February 10, 2010 2:02 PM | Report abuse

YAWNNNN!!!! Divi? Kalo? You guys want to handle this one?"

.... you come across like a huge fool and really annoying. You want to be kissing up to Kalo??? We're all just fans - there is absolutely no reason for you to (a) act so superior, (b) act so lame, (c) kiss kalo's ---. Have a little pride, man. I don't think we should re-sign BTH either, dude, but I can say so without acting like George Will and without unnecessarily kissing up to Kalo. Did you really think Kalo was suffering from lack of ego and you needed to pump him up?? That's not case.

Posted by: Urnesto | February 10, 2010 5:32 PM | Report abuse

Urnesto,

He wasn't a head coach he was our big man coach and Ernie replaced him with Phil Hubbard who was a small/point forward?

People wonder why AB plays the style he does?

Ernie now has Wes Unseld Jr. as an assitant and that tells me Ernie pulled a quick one over the old man by hiring Wes Unseld's son just to keep his job.

Look at the development of Howard don't you think he's improved by having Ewing around?

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | February 10, 2010 5:34 PM | Report abuse

Hey bulletsfan78---

I can't believe you started a post by decrying the firing of Pat Ewing as coach.

Posted by: Urnesto | February 10, 2010 5:24 PM | Report abuse

I didn't start the post that way it was the first thing Ernie did once he was hired.

Like I said I'm sure it was all about kissing the old man's wrinkled A$$!

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | February 10, 2010 5:50 PM | Report abuse

Blurred,

It is obvious that Brendan Haywood is a true NBA center. Etan Thomas was at best and 2rd string power forward. He was not a center at all.

A caveman would know that and certainly anyone that knows anything about NBA ball.

To compare BH and ET is ludicrous and is part of the reason why the Wizards went all wrong in the way they developed/played Haywood and now have literally no chance of keeping him.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | February 10, 2010 5:53 PM | Report abuse

what will be the main reason not to re-sign BH? His asking price is an other issue but are the wizard trying to be smart when they send two of their starters just to get 4.5 million off from the tax book? It is shame to support this idea.BH is a good center capable of boxing out the majority of big men in NBA, he has a problem to handle quick gards,who is the complete player in the team? houston want our starters, what are we getting from them ? why are we looking for a 3rd partner if we are not planing 2 1st round picks and/ or we are sending DS?
This trade atleast should help us to get two 1st round picks and a young gard other wise it is better to deal with portland, we will have achance to resign blake next season.I will not consider Al-hurington to be here beyond this year, a pair of him and AJ means more problem of defense.

Posted by: gtefferra | February 10, 2010 5:56 PM | Report abuse

Larry,

The people on here don't understand what it takes to develop a player.

They think a guy should do it all by themself and if that's true why was everyone falling in love with Flip bringing Sam on board?

Has the point guards on this team gotten any better?

NO!

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | February 10, 2010 5:59 PM | Report abuse

and now have literally no chance of keeping him.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | February 10, 2010 5:53 PM

according to espn's play-by-play, haywood's 4th quarter production last night was the familiar:

0-0fg 0-0ft 0pts, 0rebs, 0assists, 0 blocks

Did he sit out the entire 4th quarter? I didnt see the game

Posted by: divi3 | February 10, 2010 3:12 PM


Why should we want to keep him?

Posted by: divi3 | February 10, 2010 5:59 PM | Report abuse

This is very depressing. The season starts so promising and then Arenas does the knucklehead thing and Wizards, as is their norm, totally overreact. Now we are trading our most exciting player for virtually nothing...Like I said, depressing.

Reminds me of the deals that gave away Wallace and Webber.

Posted by: SonicBlues | February 10, 2010 6:34 PM | Report abuse

Is there more than 8/9 centers out there better than Haywood?

There are 6/7 definites. Maybe 4/5 who are arguable at best.

Sign the guy, just not to an unreasonable deal. The guy has been durable and improved over the past coule years.

Posted by: saltine182 | February 10, 2010 4:03 PM | Report abuse

Center better than Haywood (in no particular order):
Bynum, Oden, Yao, Duncan (yes, he is a center), Nene, Bargnani, Bogut, Dalembert, Howard, Shaq, Horford, Lee, Lopez, Noah, Gasol, Okafor, Kaman, Al Jefferson, Biedrins, Perkins.
That's 20 for you.

Posted by: Utilityman1 | February 10, 2010 6:44 PM | Report abuse

How low have the Wizards sunk? I can't believe people are on here crying about losing Haywood. A center who will be 31 bye
the time the season starts next year. A center who has never averaged double figures in rebounds until this year. As for Caron he has been a nice player for 8 years but he is no superstar. Move them both and rebuild. Hopefully the new owners will bring in a new set of eyes to evaluate talent. It would be nice to acquire basketball players who actually know the game and work to get better when it is not their contract years.

Posted by: anacostia85 | February 10, 2010 6:58 PM | Report abuse

Both Gasol brothers are better than Haywood.

Posted by: anacostia85 | February 10, 2010 7:00 PM | Report abuse

Being a long time season ticket holder who did not renew this year because of the direction of the franchise. We need to dismantle this team and start over. Eddie Jordan received too much blame for the problems when the cause was Ernie G. The reason BH wants to leave is because of the selfish play we have on this team. Trade Jamison to Cleveland for Wally S and JJ H.
We need to trade CB and BH for cap relief.
We are out of the playoffs and next year will have enough money to go after a true superstar. OBTW-get rid of Arenas.

Posted by: Drkitchen | February 10, 2010 7:45 PM | Report abuse

Bynum, Oden, Yao, Duncan (yes, he is a center), Nene, Bargnani, Bogut, Dalembert, Howard, Shaq, Horford, Lee, Lopez, Noah, Gasol, Okafor, Kaman, Al Jefferson, Biedrins, Perkins.
That's 20 for you.

Posted by: Utilityman1 | February 10, 2010 6:44 PM

Utilityman1,

The fact that you think all those guys are better than Haywood proves why you and the Wizards soon will not have Haywood on this Team much more it appears.

And if all those guys really were better than Haywood, I don't understand why Haywood would have any market value at all.

And if all those centers are really better than Haywood he would have to be really sorry, a clutz, and no one would want him.

And the last time I checked, Haywood ranks in the top five in rebounds and blocked shots, two stats that are telling for NBA centers.

And he knows a thing a too about Defense. Ya heard me.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | February 10, 2010 7:56 PM | Report abuse

0-0fg 0-0ft 0pts, 0rebs, 0assists, 0 blocks

Posted by: divi3 | February 10, 2010 8:07 PM | Report abuse

You guys are crazy, Jahidi White was the best Center we had since Jim McIlvane

Posted by: OG_Barno | February 10, 2010 8:09 PM | Report abuse

0-0fg 0-0ft 0pts, 0rebs, 0assists, 0 blocks

Did he sit out the entire 4th quarter? I didnt see the game

Posted by: divi3 | February 10, 2010 3:12 PM


Why should we want to keep him?

Posted by: divi3 | February 10, 2010 5:59 PM

Divi3,

I addressed that 000 thing in the 4th Q about Haywood several blogs ago.

Haywood came back in the game after being taken out in the 3rd Q with a 5 minutes left in the 4th.

This strategy does not work for Haywood yet Flip continues to do it and Haywood gets blamed for it.

Now Haywood plays well throughout the entire game and then you sit him for about at least 15 minutes real time.

He comes back in cold not in the flow of the game, not a part of the offense, and it is money time and the momentum is not in his favor.

Only superstars come in under those type of conditions and produce of the bat. Superstars, top notch stars, the top echelon players, but yet, folks like you, like to used this flawed coaching strategy against a player like Haywood.

It is a wonder why this Team disappears in the money quarter. It is people like you and Flip Saunders that don't realize that the money quarters starts with 12 minutes left in the game and not 6 or 5.

Haywood does and he knows in most cases the tempo of the game has already been decided.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | February 10, 2010 8:10 PM | Report abuse

FYI

Ernie was able to get Gilbert Areanas , because no one else could pay him what the wizards were offering. (He came for the cash). The wizards were able to get AJ from the Mavs because he was a overpaid bench player (Salary Dump by the Mavs. We were able to get Caron Butler because he was a underachiever for the lakers as well. Its not as if any of these clowns made a good team better. The wizards have always been a playground team with NO structure. Posted by: ZardsFan1 | February 10, 2010 2:32 PM |

Listen, if I became the new owner of the Wizards tomorrow, I would fire EG immediately, but I wouldn't ignore the fact that under his tenure the Wizards were far more competitive than they had been during the previous 20 years.

Posted by: specialg7master | February 10, 2010 8:17 PM | Report abuse

And think about it, Divi3, be real, what is a player like Haywood thinking while he is sitting on the bench for 15 minutes knowing he can help his team but now the momentum is turning to the other team and now he gets sent in the game with 5 or 6 minutes left to play.

Come on man, Haywood does not have the talents to turn a game around and thats the type of play that the money quarter demands.

So it would be better my friend to let Haywood start the money quarter and be apart of the offensive gameplan and then he will produce.

To think that Haywood is going to produce by bringing him in at the last hour is moronic.

It is flawed coaching strategy and a tired analogy that folks like you keep making.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | February 10, 2010 8:20 PM | Report abuse

The fact that you think all those guys are better than Haywood proves why you and the Wizards soon will not have Haywood on this Team much more it appears.

And if all those guys really were better than Haywood, I don't understand why Haywood would have any market value at all.

And if all those centers are really better than Haywood he would have to be really sorry, a clutz, and no one would want him.

And the last time I checked, Haywood ranks in the top five in rebounds and blocked shots, two stats that are telling for NBA centers.

And he knows a thing a too about Defense. Ya heard me.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | February 10, 2010 7:56 PM | Report abuse

NBA teams historically overpay for centers and that's why he will get a decent contract, not deservingly so. If you look at that list, many of the not so great centers are way overpaid and the only reasonable salaries are rookie scale contracts and once these contracts expire, you will easily see someone like Lopez or Noah command a $70 million deal.
That being said, I would take any of the aforementioned over Haywood any day.

Posted by: Utilityman1 | February 10, 2010 8:23 PM | Report abuse

Listen, if I became the new owner of the Wizards tomorrow, I would fire EG immediately, but I wouldn't ignore the fact that under his tenure the Wizards were far more competitive than they had been during the previous 20 years.


Posted by: specialg7master | February 10, 2010 8:17 PM

Well said SPECIALG7MASTER,

There is supreme wisdom in Dem' Dar' Words'.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | February 10, 2010 8:24 PM | Report abuse

You dont need to be in the flow to grab a rebound or block a shot. According to 82games.com, haywood is quite possibly the WORST center in the nba during the last 5mins of the game.

He completely disappears offensively and defensively late in the 4th quarter...dont blame me for pointing out the facts.

Haywood is a big softy who gets about 98% of his production when it doesnt matter that much, then folds like a lawn chair when the game is on the line and everyone is trying to step up. The statistics backing up that opinion match perfectly to a guy who couldnt decisively beat out the likes of Etan or Mike Ruffin.

Posted by: divi3 | February 10, 2010 8:24 PM | Report abuse

And he knows a thing a too about Defense. Ya heard me.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | February 10, 2010 7:56 PM | Report abuse

And yeah, him being the anchor of the defense currently is definitely paying off with some huge dividends.

Posted by: Utilityman1 | February 10, 2010 8:27 PM | Report abuse

Hustle Points

Wizzies
Fastbreak Points - 8
Points In The Paint - 36

Bobcats
Fastbreak Points - 14
Points In The Paint - 54


Posted by: VBFan | February 10, 2010 8:32 PM | Report abuse

That being said, I would take any of the aforementioned over Haywood any day.

Posted by: Utilityman1 | February 10, 2010 8:23 PM

Good Luck. The reality is, not a single one of them that you think are better than Haywood will be coming here.

So what is the point?

Sounds like you are a victim of 'The Grass Is Greener On The Other Side' except you have stripped your own grass but you don't have any grass coming in.

Great Stategy Utilityman1, Huh!

Justify that in your hurry to usher Haywood out the door.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | February 10, 2010 8:34 PM | Report abuse

Listen, if I became the new owner of the Wizards tomorrow, I would fire EG immediately, but I wouldn't ignore the fact that under his tenure the Wizards were far more competitive than they had been during the previous 20 years.


Posted by: specialg7master | February 10, 2010 8:17 PM | Report abuse

A monkey would have been more competitive. Are your expectations that low to give someone a passing grade just because they did better than terrible?

Posted by: Utilityman1 | February 10, 2010 8:36 PM | Report abuse

He completely disappears offensively and defensively late in the 4th quarter...dont blame me for pointing out the facts.

Haywood is a big softy who gets about 98% of his production when it doesnt matter that much, then folds like a lawn chair when the game is on the line and everyone is trying to step up. The statistics backing up that opinion match perfectly to a guy who couldnt decisively beat out the likes of Etan or Mike Ruffin.

Posted by: divi3 | February 10, 2010 8:24 PM

Divi3,

Haywood has been benched all his career in the money quarter. He has been benched for major minutes in numerous games that he has been playing well for no reason.

Haywood has never been apart of the money quarter on this team. He has never been considered as a solution to the money quarter on this team.

Do you think for one second that Haywood has had any leeway to consider himself on this team as any part of the solution to the money quarter on this team?

Haywood has never been considered as apart of the gametime winning philosophy on this team.

Haywood knows what that is. He comes from Carolina for Christsakes.

The Wizards IQ for the Money Quarter, A Gametine Winning Philosophy is seriously lacking.

Mark Jackson could have solved those triple zeros, but we chose Flip Saunders instead.

Divi3, you don't like Brendan Haywood as the Wizards center, but answer me this, whom among all those others you think are better are walking through the door?

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | February 10, 2010 8:49 PM | Report abuse

Listen, if I became the new owner of the Wizards tomorrow, I would fire EG immediately, but I wouldn't ignore the fact that under his tenure the Wizards were far more competitive than they had been during the previous 20 years.


Posted by: specialg7master | February 10, 2010 8:17 PM | Report abuse

So your logic (or lack thereof) is since we aren't able to lure any of the better centers that I mentioned, we should just go ahead and give Haywood a huge contract???

Posted by: Utilityman1 | February 10, 2010 8:51 PM | Report abuse

Good Luck. The reality is, not a single one of them that you think are better than Haywood will be coming here.

So what is the point?

Sounds like you are a victim of 'The Grass Is Greener On The Other Side' except you have stripped your own grass but you don't have any grass coming in.

Great Stategy Utilityman1, Huh!

Justify that in your hurry to usher Haywood out the door.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | February 10, 2010 8:34 PM | Report abuse

Sorry the comment above was addressed to Larry:
So your logic (or lack thereof) is since we aren't able to lure any of the better centers that I mentioned, we should just go ahead and give Haywood a huge contract???

Posted by: Utilityman1 | February 10, 2010 8:53 PM | Report abuse

Harrington's not a player I've seen very much. I know he's a decent shooter with 3 point range, if that's a plus for ya. But he's 30 and obviously something of an attitude guy.

On the other hand, who'd have thought Zach Randolph would be the missing piece for the Grizzlies?

Hickson would be a better prospect, but he too seems limited.

Posted by: Samson151 | February 10, 2010 9:07 PM | Report abuse

These arguments are all really compelling and I like Haywood but cant deny that he's probably not gonna b worth what we have to pay to keep him...Jamison is our best player right now but he dont play d, he's soft like everyone else, and if we can get hickson for him straight up I'd do it in a flash...Butler just sucks now. And I it doesn't even have to be said what we should do with arenas. If I took over the team today I'd trade everybody for picks and salary space, and with the picks we have coming already to us next yr plus a major fa signing we can be competitive next yr...certainly an eigth seed in the east! WE HAVE ASSETS! Its all up to grunny to pull them strings!

Posted by: bbachrac | February 10, 2010 9:15 PM | Report abuse

The rumored deal is certainly not good for Washington. If they just want to dump salaries...then say so. Why would the consider sending Jamison to the top team in their own division.
Haywood has become a decent center..without him..they will be overwhelmed in the paint.

Fire Ernie...and get a GM that actually knows how to build a team. The Wiz don`t need a missing piece, they need to be completely redone....beginning with some draft choices.

Posted by: blazerguy234 | February 10, 2010 9:24 PM | Report abuse

"The people on here don't understand what it takes to develop a player."

Sure we do. It takes a personal commitment and willingness to work and sacrifice in order to improve, qualities that Haywood has not demonstrated.

Posted by: kalo_rama | February 10, 2010 9:25 PM | Report abuse

"Harrington's not a player I've seen very much. I know he's a decent shooter with 3 point range, if that's a plus for ya. But he's 30 and obviously something of an attitude guy."

If they make this deal (and I hope they don't) it won't have anything to do with how good a player Harrington is and everything to do with the fact that his contract expires at the end of this season.

Posted by: kalo_rama | February 10, 2010 9:27 PM | Report abuse

One of the reasons BWood was ridin pine was because Nazr Mohammed was not playing the 5... Diaw was.

Flip understood that would be a bad matchup so he went with Dray in the middle. I thought Dray played pretty well last night too.

Posted by: elfreako | February 10, 2010 9:33 PM | Report abuse

So your logic (or lack thereof) is since we aren't able to lure any of the better centers that I mentioned, we should just go ahead and give Haywood a huge contract???

Posted by: Utilityman1 | February 10, 2010 8:53 PM

No, my logic is simply this. We are putting Haywood on the trading block because we mismanaged him and cannot resign him even if we wanted to.

The fact that it would seen smart to trade Haywood just to get something for him is more a blight on the Team rather than a lack of competency by Haywood that so many of you want to keep pointing out.

We have players here that don't want to resign, and players that don't want to come here because of the way the organization has conducted its business.

McGee and his momma will also walk if Ted Leonsis dosen't come in and change the way the Wizards develop and manage its players.

That is the problem and not the weaknesses of Haywood.

So lets get real, this organization has to trade away a legitimate NBA center because he dosen't want to play here anymore and most importantly, we don't want to pay market value for him.

And the irony of the whole thing is, if Haywood has so many other Centers that are better than him, wouldn't it make sense to pay Haywood, cause certainly any of those other 20 centers that ain't coming here would certainly cost a lot more if they did?

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | February 10, 2010 9:44 PM | Report abuse

No, my logic is simply this. We are putting Haywood on the trading block because we mismanaged him and cannot resign him even if we wanted to.

The fact that it would seen smart to trade Haywood just to get something for him is more a blight on the Team rather than a lack of competency by Haywood that so many of you want to keep pointing out.

We have players here that don't want to resign, and players that don't want to come here because of the way the organization has conducted its business.

McGee and his momma will also walk if Ted Leonsis dosen't come in and change the way the Wizards develop and manage its players.

That is the problem and not the weaknesses of Haywood.

So lets get real, this organization has to trade away a legitimate NBA center because he dosen't want to play here anymore and most importantly, we don't want to pay market value for him.

And the irony of the whole thing is, if Haywood has so many other Centers that are better than him, wouldn't it make sense to pay Haywood, cause certainly any of those other 20 centers that ain't coming here would certainly cost a lot more if they did?

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | February 10, 2010 9:44 PM | Report abuse

Let me take a guess. You probably campaigned hard for Gil's outrageous signing and you think EG is a great GM.

Posted by: Utilityman1 | February 10, 2010 9:58 PM | Report abuse

"The people on here don't understand what it takes to develop a player."

Sure we do. It takes a personal commitment and willingness to work and sacrifice in order to improve, qualities that Haywood has not demonstrated.

Posted by: kalo_rama | February 10, 2010 9:25 PM | Report abuse

Name one player who has improved in this organization?

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | February 10, 2010 10:12 PM | Report abuse

Let me take a guess. You probably campaigned hard for Gil's outrageous signing and you think EG is a great GM.

Posted by: Utilityman1 | February 10, 2010 9:58 PM

The answer. No! No! And No!

If you ask me the best GM the Wizards could have had might have been the guy who drove from the basement of the phone booth in his convertible Astin Martin.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | February 10, 2010 10:13 PM | Report abuse

This trade scenario doesn't seem remotely possible, but if it does happen and the Wizards can get Houston's unprotected 1st round pick it's the most that can be hoped for. The last few trades(AD, the #5 pick) have set the bar pretty low. Just hope that Grunfeld is no longer around on draft day.

Posted by: djnnnou | February 10, 2010 10:24 PM | Report abuse

EG has never provided the players to fit the coaches styles and system. If you remember EJ;s system required a pure PG.. ie.. Jason Kidd and a real PF ie.. Kenyon Martin and a pure shooter at the SG ie.. Kerry Kittles. He also had a very good SF in Richard Jefferson. They were all role players that played well in the princeton system. How well do you think the wizard princeton offense might have been with Andre Miller running the point instead of Gilly Arenas? How much better might we be had we traded CB for Richard Jefferson? Do you think we may have won a few more games if AJ wasn't taking so many jump shots,missing free throws or giving up so many easy baskets? Has anyone noticed all the turn overs Caron has in critical moments of the game? We had AJ take a silly shot on Tuesday, because CB got the glory a few days ago.

Blow this team up and play the young guys. (We may have to ship Nick Young out thought, He still seems to imature to ever be a winner in this league) ie.. Jarred Jefferies clone in a 6ft 6in frame

Posted by: ZardsFan1 | February 10, 2010 2:32 PM |

Listen, if I became the new owner of the Wizards tomorrow, I would fire EG immediately, but I wouldn't ignore the fact that under his tenure the Wizards were far more competitive than they had been during the previous 20 years.

Posted by: specialg7master | February 10, 2010 10:25 PM | Report abuse

I think Steve Blake and Tyrus Thomas would look good in a Wizards Jersey right about now. I Know thomas is a knuckle head, but he has a mean streak and expiring contract if things don't work out. Randy Foyle.Mike Miller, Nick Young,Javelle Mcgee are all young run and gun players. I say lets get a steve blake type of guard to create for these guys . I hear Augustine or Raymond Felton and TJ ford are all available as well.

Lets make a deal and dump the old mules. I would love to see D Mcguire get some playing time to.

Posted by: specialg7master | February 10, 2010 10:51 PM | Report abuse

let me put it to you this way unless the Knicks send me Wilson Chandler giftrapped iam not making that trade because of the fact that iam giving up too much value and not getting enough in return and if it turns out that the knicks say no to that then i'll turm my attention to houston and portland and see if i can get something done in a three team deal if not then i'll keep the trade between two teams houston and Wizards if the rockets can send me Carl landry luis scola and kyle lowry for butler and Haywood i do that deal.

Posted by: rmnkevorkian | February 10, 2010 10:57 PM | Report abuse

There sure are a lot of picks the Wizards could have had at # 5 that will be better than Foye.

http://www.nba.com/2010/news/features/02/10/rookie.rankings/index.html?ls=iref:nbahpt1

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | February 11, 2010 12:07 AM | Report abuse

The 5th pick could have been Stephen Curry

Posted by: Chocolate_City | February 11, 2010 12:25 AM | Report abuse

in effect, we receive al harrington, an 11-yr veteran who plays pf (AND who the knicks are trying to GIVE away) for jamison AND our best player, butler??? what am i missing? i thought that bob ferry stopped working for the team many years ago. harrington has already played for 5 teams and has only averaged 20 points ONCE in 12 years. he averages less than 6 rebounds/game. go home ernie: your BEST asset was bernie, and he ain't here to back you up anymore. get outta dodge. quit. or be fired. soon. who's in charge here??? i demand a recount. NOW

Posted by: dcjazzman | February 11, 2010 12:45 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: Chocolate_City | February 11, 2010 12:59 AM | Report abuse

ooops: misread jamison v haywood. still don't like the trade. still wanna get rid of jamison. haywood's ok, but i wanna see the young guy LEARN how to play. and he can't do that on the bench for 40 minutes. blow it up. get some draft choices. but i doubt any 'super' stars will sign HERE. that just ain't in the books until love is under new management.

Posted by: dcjazzman | February 11, 2010 1:15 AM | Report abuse

Is it possible to land Tyrus Thomas, Iguodala, and McGrady for Antawn, Caron, Haywood, Stevenson, and other?

Maybe mix Hinrich, and a Blatche somewhere?

Posted by: Chocolate_City | February 11, 2010 1:20 AM | Report abuse

"Listen, if I became the new owner of the Wizards tomorrow, I would fire EG immediately, but I wouldn't ignore the fact that under his tenure the Wizards were far more competitive than they had been during the previous 20 years.Posted by: specialg7master"

If you've already fired him, what difference does it make?

Posted by: Samson151 | February 11, 2010 7:30 AM | Report abuse

Uh, none. So why post about it?

Posted by: glawrence007 | February 11, 2010 7:32 AM | Report abuse

"There sure are a lot of picks the Wizards could have had at # 5 that will be better than Foye."

I'm not at all sure of that. Foye's improved as a PG, particularly in terms of turnovers; that's helped the club. He still struggles on defense against really quick players. Some of the rooks look like future stars (Evans, possibly Harden) but the jury's still out on Jennings. Curry is an excellent shooter but remember he's playing for Don Nelson.

Plus the trade was for Mike Miller, too.

The whole season went south for the Wiz. This trade was only part of it.

Posted by: Samson151 | February 11, 2010 7:40 AM | Report abuse

I think Steve Blake and Tyrus Thomas would look good in a Wizards Jersey right about now. I Know thomas is a knuckle head, but he has a mean streak and expiring contract if things don't work out. Randy Foyle.Mike Miller, Nick Young,Javelle Mcgee are all young run and gun players. I say lets get a steve blake type of guard to create for these guys . I hear Augustine or Raymond Felton and TJ ford are all available as well.

Lets make a deal and dump the old mules. I would love to see D Mcguire get some playing time to.

Posted by: specialg7master | February 10, 2010 10:51 PM | Report abuse

Gotta' sign some of those expiring contracts first.

D-Mac should be on the top of the list. 1.1 million should do it.

MIKE MILLER, that'll be tough. He's at 9.75 million now. Not likely unless there's more cap relief elsewhere. We're down to around 74 million. League around 69.9.

BRENDAN HAYWOOD's only at 6 million, but should be signed. However, he won't be.

OLDBERTO at 2.1 million? No.

BOYKINS, no importa.

JAMES, no.

J-CRIT..............there was a J-CRIT.

Next year's team on a contracted basis includes:

FOYE on a scale option, ARENAS, STEVENSON, YOUNG, BUTLER, JAMISON, BLATCHE, McGEE.

And at this point, that's your 2010-11 WIZARDS D.C. Sports fans.

Posted by: glawrence007 | February 11, 2010 7:50 AM | Report abuse

peteywheatstaw posted:

Also after all that trading we could be looking at a starting line up of: Nate Robinson, Young, Harrington, Hickson, and Big Z, thats pretty respectable and could even make a run at the playoffs in the east.

___________________________________________

That lineup makes a run at the playoffs only if you're talking about the Development League. In the real world of the NBA, arguably a stronger lineup is Brooke Lopez, Devon Harris, Douglas-Roberts, Yi Jianlain and Courtney Lee, namely that of the New Jersey Nets.

Posted by: phil27 | February 11, 2010 9:04 AM | Report abuse

Plus the trade was for Mike Miller, too.

Posted by: Samson151 | February 11, 2010 7:40 AM | Report abuse

Samson151

Miller will walk after this year and that will mean Ernie traded the 5th pick for Foye.

I believe there will be at least 5 players picked after the 5th pick that will be much better players than Foye will ever become.

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | February 11, 2010 9:22 AM | Report abuse

"The people on here don't understand what it takes to develop a player."

Sure we do. It takes a personal commitment and willingness to work and sacrifice in order to improve, qualities that Haywood has not demonstrated.

Posted by: kalo_rama | February 10, 2010 9:25 PM | Report abuse

Kal,

There are some people on here who don't know how to read a sentence?

There is a big difference between what it takes to develop a player and what it takes for a player to develop.

I’ll try this again since I understand you are a slow learner…

The dog bite Johnny means something totally different than if I write Johnny bite the dog.

Yes, I used the same words but by putting them in a different order they have a different meaning?

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | February 11, 2010 9:30 AM | Report abuse

"Miller will walk after this year and that will mean Ernie traded the 5th pick for Foye."

If Miller leaves, it will mean the trade was for Foye and one season of Mike Miller.

Posted by: Samson151 | February 11, 2010 9:55 AM | Report abuse

Yes, I used the same words but by putting them in a different order they have a different meaning?
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I'm Ron Burgundy?

Posted by: AnthonyMix | February 11, 2010 9:56 AM | Report abuse

"There is a big difference between what it takes to develop a player and what it takes for a player to develop."

The NBA as a whole has difficulty developing young players -- a reason they created the d-league, and a reason most players would do better to remain in college more than a year (or spend a season in Europe like Brandon Jennings).

One problem is the the regular season schedule. With travel, there's just not enough time to practice. Young players wind up sitting on the bench instead of playing. That's what you're seeing with the Wiz. To fans, the solution is to sit the vets and play the kids -- a de facto way of giving up on the season. John Lucas is a teacher of young players, but he immediately recognized that his season was effectively over when the Cavs management told him to sit down a few key vets. The fans here may be willing to do that, but what about the rest of the fan base? Posters here aren't much more representative of the typical NBA fan than the folks who call in to radio talk shows.

Although young players are more skilled than they once were coming out of high school, the bigger ones often lack the physical maturity to play inside in the NBA. Roy Hibbert's an effective NBA center, but he wouldn't have been if he'd come out after his sophomore year, like Javale McGee. Players like Wes Johnson of Syracuse and Evan Turner of Ohio State were always talented, but would they have been as good if they'd come out after their frosh seasons? Somebody like Tyreke Evans is still the exception, not the rule.

Posted by: Samson151 | February 11, 2010 10:07 AM | Report abuse

AnthonyMix

and I happen to be San Diego?

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | February 11, 2010 10:08 AM | Report abuse

"In the real world of the NBA, arguably a stronger lineup is Brooke Lopez, Devon Harris, Douglas-Roberts, Yi Jianlain and Courtney Lee, namely that of the New Jersey Nets.Posted by: phil27"

That's not a bad-looking lineup, and it's hard to explain the Nets' poor play this season, after posting 34 wins in each of the prior two seasons. Sure, they lost Vince Carter, but still...

Posted by: Samson151 | February 11, 2010 10:10 AM | Report abuse

If Miller leaves, it will mean the trade was for Foye and one season of Mike Miller.

Posted by: Samson151 | February 11, 2010 9:55 AM | Report abuse

That's what I didn't like about the trade.

The Wizards weren't close to winning a championship like Clev, Bos, and Orl.

Each of those teams could take a chance on bringing in a really good player (Clev Shaq, Bos Wallace, Orl Carter)with the chance that one player could put them over the top.

Miller isn't even close to be that type of player.

The problem with Ernie and this organization was they never developed any players and can't see beyond this year and that isn't the way to build a championship.

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | February 11, 2010 10:17 AM | Report abuse

"There is a big difference between what it takes to develop a player and what it takes for a player to develop."

No, there isn't.

You can't teach someone who isn't first willing to learn. A player who lacks internal motivation and commitment to improve won't get better no matter what the coach tries to drum into his head.

Posted by: kalo_rama | February 11, 2010 10:50 AM | Report abuse

"The dog bite Johnny means something totally different than if I write Johnny bite the dog."

Speaking of slow learners . . . apparently there are some people here who don't know how to write a sentence.

Posted by: kalo_rama | February 11, 2010 10:52 AM | Report abuse

For example Patrick Ewing has had a positive effect on Dwight Howard's development, as has Kareem on Andrew Bynum's. But they couldn't have had that effect if Bynum and Howard hadn't been willing to accept their instruction and put in the hard work to learn and implement what they were being taught.

Posted by: kalo_rama | February 11, 2010 10:59 AM | Report abuse

late on the notion of Brendan disappearing in the 4th quarter. when he returns to a game after sitting minutes, whether the game is on the line or not, there are other people on the team who would rather dribble around going no where, people who like to catch and shoot, never considering passing the ball around some. if you are turning the ball over, or jacking up 3 pointers as the shot clock is expiring and there is only a limited amount of time left in the game, a center is hard pressed to be a part of the flow. that sums up the problems with this team(?). there is not a lot of teamwork. so IMO the lack of numbers on Brendan's part are more of a systematic problem than a individual one. of course if there was true leadership on the wizards, this would be resolved, either by the coach, or the team captain. make any trade you want as long as it includes draft picks, then you do your homework and find a player commanding the roll of team leader and you build around that...

Posted by: joerutgens72 | February 11, 2010 12:34 PM | Report abuse

What do we get if we trade Ernie? Don't allow him to do more damage! First Roger Mason JR, then the bad picks, not Haywood and Caron for Harrington? WTF? Trade Ernie! Trade Ernie! Trade Ernie!

Posted by: Gooddad | February 11, 2010 1:46 PM | Report abuse

Butler for Iguadala

Posted by: bobilly2 | February 11, 2010 6:46 PM | Report abuse

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