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Blatche on franchise-record 14-game losing streak

By Michael Lee  |  March 26, 2010; 11:01 PM ET
 
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AB, I couldn't have said it better myself. Players need to care more about the losing. I'm just stunned to hear it coming from you!

Maybe Flip has been doing some good coaching, despite what some of the people on this site have said. Let Flip do his job, people! Who cares what happened in Detroit! They were a bunch of veterans who were determined to do it "their" way, no matter who came in after Larry Brown left! Remember what a pain Rasheed was in Portland? He obviously infected Detroit's locker room too. Glad we swapped him for Rod "Hot Dog" Strickland.

Help us, Obi-Wan-Leonsis, you're our only hope.

Posted by: Janitor_with_a_Jumpshot | March 27, 2010 12:16 AM | Report abuse

Janitor_with_a_Jumpshot

Trivia question...

Who was the coach during the Wizards longest losing streak?

Wes Unseld...No
Leonard Hamilton....No
Eddie Jordan....No
ETaps.....No

You guessed it Ernie's man Flip!

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | March 27, 2010 12:39 AM | Report abuse

ts35

I don't know if you have any kids but it's very hard to let an older child get away with certain things and tell the younger ones they can't do it?

Ted is here so with a little hope he will clean house and start all over again.

I have always stated it starts at the top and the guys left over from the Abe and Ernie days have bad habits that I don't think can be changed.

Flip doesn't want to coach and teach so it is time to send him on his way too.

Posted by: bulletsfan78

To stretch an already tenuous analogy, kinda looks to me like they kicked the older kids out of the house and are holding the ones left accountable for their behavior.

I love sweeping statements like "Flip doesn't want to coach and teach" that aren't really based on anything.

Time will tell what Ted does. I wouldn't be surprised to see him keep Ernie and Flip for next year, but I also wouldn't be surprised if he doesn't, or splits the diff and keeps one of them.

If he's of the same mind for the Wiz that he was with the Caps, there will be no quick fix, but hopefully a change in culture will start right away, even before he officially completes the deal.

Posted by: ts35 | March 27, 2010 4:07 AM | Report abuse

You guessed it Ernie's man Flip!

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | March 27, 2010 12:39 AM

Dude man, look at the ever rotating (getting injured) lineup - Gee, Singleton, Foye, (Where's?) Miller, Thornton, etc.

That's a winning ballclub????

Posted by: charley42 | March 27, 2010 5:11 AM | Report abuse

bulletsfan78

Here's a trivia question for you...

Who was the coach the last time the Bullets had a 13 game losing streak?

... Jim Lynam in 1994-95, who got them turned around the following year with a plus 18 win total and then the year after that Les Bullets improved another 5 wins on top of that.

What about the coach who oversaw the previous 13 game losing streak in 1966? Know him?

... Gene Shue who oversaw a 16 win increase the following year, and then guided the Bullets the next year to a whopping 21 win improvement(!) on top of that. The Bullets went 57-25 only two years after that streak of 13 losses and Gene Shue won Coach of the Year.

My point is this: you want to fillet and fish-fry Flip for this franchise failure? Phooey. If anyone can get this thing turned around... I mean, the guy's name IS Flip after all. He is making the young guys play hard and hustle, and he's getting knuckle-heads like Blatche to be accountable.

Let's look at a comparable situation: Flip spent 9 full seasons coaching the lowly T-Wolves. In 9 seasons, they went from .338, to .488, to .549, to .500 (the strike shortened year), to .610, to .573, back to .610, to .622, and then to .707 when they had Cassell and Sprewell that one year with KG.

Whatever happens with this losing streak, Flip and new owner Uncle Ted have the pedigree to turn this floundering franchise around. Go Sea-Dogs!

Posted by: Janitor_with_a_Jumpshot | March 27, 2010 6:45 AM | Report abuse

I don't particularly care if the team wins or loses at this point. They're starting mostly bench players and D-Leaguers. The two legit pros they got in the recent trades are out of action. The team is still in the process of being sold. If they went on a five game win streak, how much would that tell us about prospects for next season? Not much.

It's lottery time, gang. Hope for the jackpot.

Posted by: Samson151 | March 27, 2010 7:21 AM | Report abuse

It's lottery time, gang. Hope for the jackpot.

Posted by: Samson151 | March 27, 2010 7:21 AM

Jackpot would something like trading John Wall and Gilbert for Durant.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | March 27, 2010 8:41 AM | Report abuse

"They're starting mostly bench players and D-Leaguers... It's lottery time, gang. Hope for the jackpot"

Agreed. Leonsis is taking on a lot of debt and the 2011-12 year is projected by many to be a lockout as the league and the players union squares off over collective bargaining and contracts. The Wizards are rebuilding for the next few seasons, I suspect the Wizards will trade Blatche and one of their late round picks and try to pick up another top ten draft pick, and I can envision the same happening with Arenas.
Both Arenas and Blatche are talented and I had hoped that they would be part of a Wiz playoff team when this year started but due to circumstances beyond our control that model has been blown up. Neither player has the kind of solid citizen disposition to build a team through the draft around.

Posted by: midlevex_ | March 27, 2010 9:08 AM | Report abuse

I don't think anyone would want to give up the value that Blatche would most certainly require and futher, the Wizard should want to keep him.

The baggage surrounded Blatche when appropriately evaluated is miniscule and as time passes will disappear.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | March 27, 2010 9:15 AM | Report abuse

I love sweeping statements like "Flip doesn't want to coach and teach" that aren't really based on anything.

Posted by: ts35 | March 27, 2010 4:07 AM | Report abuse

I'm basing it on Flip and others saying this wasn't what Flip signed up for coaching a bunch of young guys?

A coach doesn't make that kind of statement if wanted to teach and coach would he?

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | March 27, 2010 9:19 AM | Report abuse

GET EXCITED WIZARDS FANS. We are closing in on the #3 slot in the lottery. WARRIORS won last night. We're only one game out. Just lose out the rest of the season, and we're a lock. Lose 23 and be in the top three.

And GIL got what I predicted. Suspended jail time, money fine, and loads of community service. Pretty good for a second gun offense, Calif. and now. Especially in D.C., don't you think?

He's bad and he's b-a-a-a-a-a-c-c-c-c-c-k. Minimum two years.

Posted by: glawrence007 | March 27, 2010 9:19 AM | Report abuse

The Wizards will likely have one of the top five picks they also have #30 from the Cavs and an early 2nd round pick. Their best bet is to package Blatche with the the #30 and hope they can parlay it into a top fifteen pick and some loose change.

The same scenario with Arenas.
Both players are talented but they've proven to be head cases, the Wiz are heading into rebuilding, probably initially mostly through the draft. Arenas and Blatche are not a good fit for the Wizard's future.

Posted by: midlevex_ | March 27, 2010 9:33 AM | Report abuse

FLIP has consistantly said he coaches vets. This is no longer a vet team. He's doing more harm than good here with the young guys, IMHO of course. LARRY BROWN in his youth would be better suited to what the WIZARDS currently have on hand.

BUT we will be in the top three in this lottery, and I think that means something although I can't remember exactly what from last year's ramblings on the subject of the lottery and all it's machinations.

PICKS:

FIRST ROUND:

COUSINS - CENTER KY.
BUTLER - SMALL FORWARD W. VA.

SECOND ROUND:

SAMHEN - POWER FORWARD ST. MY'S.
VASQUEZ POINT GUARD - MD.(provisional)

Posted by: glawrence007 | March 27, 2010 9:35 AM | Report abuse

POST DRAFT:

MALCOLM DELANEY

Posted by: glawrence007 | March 27, 2010 9:44 AM | Report abuse

If Ted lets E Grunfeld run this draft and try and get this losing culture turned around then he's nuttier than a fruitcake. It's obvious that Grunfeld has lost it. Flip and Gil have to be eased out of there. They can both go to Minnesota together. Goodbye. Grunfeld MUST be payed off and let go. End of story.

Posted by: horace1 | March 27, 2010 9:45 AM | Report abuse

Samhan is a value meal away from being oliver miller

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | March 27, 2010 9:51 AM | Report abuse

You cannot trade Blatche. Iamsatellinya' you can't trade Blatche.

Can you get Durant for him? Nooo.

You keep Blatche. End of story.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | March 27, 2010 9:53 AM | Report abuse

Blatche surprised me saying some players didn't give good effort or do what coach told them to do in the 4th.
Who was he talking about???

Posted by: VBFan | March 27, 2010 9:55 AM | Report abuse

Samhan is a value meal away from being oliver miller

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | March 27, 2010 9:51 AM | Report abuse

Is that a good thing lillywood?

Posted by: glawrence007 | March 27, 2010 9:56 AM | Report abuse

Ernie is as good as gone! Back to back 50+ loss seasons despite 3 coaching changes tell you all you need to know about the player's talent levels and the person that brought them in. Injuries happen all the time in the NBA, but the good teams always seem to mitigate those situations and continue to flourish. Only the badly managed teams like New York, New Jersey, Sacramento, Golden State, Minnesota and now Washington continue to not give themselves a chance to compete annually. Hopefully Ted Leonsis will realize this and take this opportunity to clean house, along with a nice "high" draft choice, to rebuild this team. With a new GM of course!

Posted by: JohnWWW | March 27, 2010 9:57 AM | Report abuse

Hopefully Ted Leonsis will realize this and take this opportunity to clean house, along with a nice "high" draft choice, to rebuild this team. With a new GM of course!

Posted by: JohnWWW | March 27, 2010 9:57 AM | Report abuse

I'm still mindful of the fact that the CAPS GM before LEONSIS is still the CAPS GM many, many years later after LEONSIS.

History says that LEONSIS moves slowly so as to not throw the baby out with the bath-water.

Here however, he is more experienced and may vacate the entire front office and coaching staff in one fell swoop. He should IMO.

Posted by: glawrence007 | March 27, 2010 10:12 AM | Report abuse

For next year only I would start a base with these players. Blatche, McGee, Singleton, Thornton, Gee, Howard, Livingston, Young, and Arenas.

Everybody else is open to the market or not resigned.

I would not bring back Flip and at the same time I would consider the remaining coaches as canididates for the HC.

All of this from a new GM's perspective of course.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | March 27, 2010 10:16 AM | Report abuse

Ted needs to look at finding help in Washington and in their org. they have a someone that is highly qualified and that has worked successfully as a College Coach, NBA Front Office Executive, NBA Scout, with Agenting experience, NBA Coach, TV commentator and, (whether anybody likes it or not), Afro- American. A respected professional, Ed Tapscott is the beginning of the important tasks and answers for Ted L. Knowing all the aspects of the intricate NBA workings is fundamental to building a winning culture and franchise. Something Grunfeld has not.

Posted by: horace1 | March 27, 2010 10:19 AM | Report abuse

Those seven assistant coaches I feel should be considered and given the right to interview.

No one knows either way, except Unseld Jr. of course, whether any one of these coaches might not do an excellent job.

There chances of succeeding might be just a bit better than my choice of Mark Jackson.

The tried and true approach of the traditional NBA retread program is out in my book.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | March 27, 2010 10:28 AM | Report abuse

i wonder if Al Thornton's knee is bothering him from when Dantay Jones doped him up the other night. I don't know if yall remember but Dantay crossed Al and Al took a really hard step and then tried to recover. It wasn't an eyepopping grotesque looking deal, just kinda funky.


Posted by: lilhollywood10 | March 27, 2010 10:55 AM | Report abuse

2010-11 SEASON

Players under contract:

GILBERT ARENAS - 17,730,694
JOSH....HOWARD - 11,835,000 (team option)
RANDY.....FOYE - 04,795,095 (80% scale)
ANDRAY BLATCHE - 03,260,331
AL....THORNTON - 02,814,096
NICK.....YOUNG - 02,630,503
JAVALE...McGEE - 01,601,040
QUINTON...ROSS - 01,146,337 (player option)

EXPIRING CONTRACTS:

MIKE MILLER
FABRICIO OBERTO
JAVARIS CRITTENTON
EARL BOYKINS
JAMES SINGLETON
PAUL DAVIS
MIKE HARRIS
SHAUN LIVINGSTON

10 DAY:

ALONZO GEE


Posted by: glawrence007 | March 27, 2010 10:59 AM | Report abuse

What's with all the Flip bashing.
We're starting 2 "D" leaguers.

Who do you think could coach a win with this group.
They are putting out good effort but they just don't have the talent. That's not Flips fault.

Posted by: VBFan | March 27, 2010 11:03 AM | Report abuse

What's with all the Flip bashing.
We're starting 2 "D" leaguers.

Who do you think could coach a win with this group.
They are putting out good effort but they just don't have the talent. That's not Flips fault.

Posted by: VBFan | March 27, 2010 11:03 AM

It's his style man. It is his style. You cannot quite put your finger on it. It just dosen't click.

Where is the excitement. Even bad teams can get hot on any given night and blow somebody off the court. Not this Team.

And we can talk about D-League all we want too. But it is more than that.

And maybe he isn't coaching to win games by design. Maybe he has some other more primary goals other than winning games. Maybe they do want to get a shot at the highest draft pick.

Let's give him the benifit of doubt and say that is the case.

You know what that would be. It would be the same as last season.

WAISTING AWAY A WHOLE SEASON FOR A DRAFT PICK.

Guess what. That Dog Don't Hunt!!!

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | March 27, 2010 11:30 AM | Report abuse

"Samhan is a value meal away from being oliver miller Posted by: lilhollywood10"

Cruel yet funny.

Posted by: Samson151 | March 27, 2010 11:41 AM | Report abuse

"has worked successfully as a College Coach, NBA Front Office Executive... and, (whether anybody likes it or not), Afro- American."

You can get a job as an Afro-American? What's it pay?

Posted by: Samson151 | March 27, 2010 11:45 AM | Report abuse

About Saunders: "It's his style man. It is his style. You cannot quite put your finger on it. It just dosen't click."

If you can't put your finger on it, how do you know it's there?

You could be hallucinating.

Posted by: Samson151 | March 27, 2010 11:47 AM | Report abuse

AB seems to be regressing, he didnt take a single FT last night- that's just turrible.

Gee continues to be a nice surprise, and I thought NY played well again last night. At least well enough to warrant receiving 100% of QRoss' minutes anyway

Posted by: divi3 | March 27, 2010 12:02 PM | Report abuse

"It's his style man. It is his style. You cannot quite put your finger on it. It just dosen't click.

Where is the excitement. Even bad teams can get hot on any given night and blow somebody off the court. Not this Team.

And we can talk about D-League all we want too. But it is more than that.

And maybe he isn't coaching to win games by design. Maybe he has some other more primary goals other than winning games. Maybe they do want to get a shot at the highest draft pick.

Let's give him the benifit of doubt and say that is the case.

You know what that would be. It would be the same as last season.

WAISTING AWAY A WHOLE SEASON FOR A DRAFT PICK.

Guess what. That Dog Don't Hunt!!!"

LMAO, what?

Jesus Christ could be the coach of this particular squad and wouldn't win a game. You just like to spin fantasy yarns that mean absolutely nothing with no substance or facts to back your opinions up. You just throw out vague statements out there like "it's his style" or "it just doesn't click". And, I got news for you, with JH and AT out of the lineup, the Nets have more talent on the court.

Posted by: rphilli721 | March 27, 2010 12:33 PM | Report abuse


WAISTING AWAY A WHOLE SEASON FOR A DRAFT PICK.

Guess what. That Dog Don't Hunt!!!

LarryInClintonMD.

Eveyone on this blog undestand your dislike for Flip is almost as bad as DCMann dislike for Gil. That being said you cant get rid of a coach(after one year), that has the experience and dealt with the difficult siuations and the exisiting roaster moves as Flip has done.

On one side of the equation you want to give AB more room so he will get batter as a player and a leader. But when you look at AB as as player and a person. He basicly is a a F#@K up. To be real!!! I mean lets be honest, would you feel good in resigning AB to a huge contract extention!!(HELL NO!!). Yea hes talented and shown flashes, but will you bet on him.You seem to be a resonablly smart at times, and deep down you know we just cant becase he will get only worst!! So we have to keep his trade value up and let him go in the off season. To me that will be the smart thing to do. Even if blow-up and become a all-star some where else, well "thats good for him". That still doesnt mean we will blow-up for us.
Peace!!,give Flip another year.

Posted by: dsquare | March 27, 2010 12:55 PM | Report abuse

So if the Wizards sign Gee for the rest of the season, they will have 15 on the roster, but 3 of those will still be inactive (Howard, Arenas, Crittenton). So they can still bring in guys on 10-day contracts, right?

Take Brian Butch, for example. In his latest game, he got 33 points, 15 rebounds, and hit 5-7 on 3s. He's averaging 18/11.6.

The Wizards should be showing some interest in players whom they want to get on their summer league team. With a wide-open roster, if the Wizards don't have a summer league team that is loaded, heads should roll.

Posted by: PostSubscriber | March 27, 2010 1:32 PM | Report abuse

I've been critical of Flip most of the year, but I agree that even JC himself couldn't win games with the current squad. Even so, I just don't think Flip's the guy you want working with all the young players on this team. Almost all of these guys are a work in progress. Not once or twice, but several times this year Flip has thrown individual players or the entire team under the bus when he was frustrated by a loss. That's NOT how you teach or motivate people in any profession.

This team could use a tough love coach, similar to a John Thompson sort of a guy. Someone who not only knows how to manage the game, but can teach and develop people, too. If you want your players to have character, you have to display it yourself. Everyday.

For next year's roster, keep:

Arenas
Blatche
Thornton
McGee
Singleton
Livingston
Gee
Young
Foye
Howard (if you can get him to sign a more reasonable deal)

then fill in the open slots with good trades and/or draft picks. But you've gotta get the right coach in there.

Posted by: clfrdj | March 27, 2010 1:57 PM | Report abuse

LarryInClintonMD
So for some reason you don't like Flip.
OK
The team that he has does not have NBA talent except for AB (and that surprised everyone) the rest of the team is not good.
The reason that they can keep it close for 3 Q's is that the opposition knows that they don't have to play that hard and when the 4th Q comes around they put out and blow out the Wizzies.
It ain't about coaching in the 4th it's just that there ain't no fire power that can compete with the other teams in the league.
I agree with someone who said that right now the Nets are better than the Wizzies.
We are not the 3rd worse team in the NBA --- we are the worst.
Switch coaches and the results will be the same.

Posted by: VBFan | March 27, 2010 2:13 PM | Report abuse

"This team could use a tough love coach, similar to a John Thompson sort of a guy. Someone who not only knows how to manage the game, but can teach and develop people, too. If you want your players to have character, you have to display it yourself."

All the tough love in the world won't make up for bad chemistry or a lack of talent. This team is simply fundamentally bad.

Posted by: kalo_rama | March 27, 2010 2:45 PM | Report abuse

"You can get a job as an Afro-American? What's it pay?"

Not nearly enough. And the benefits stink.

Posted by: kalo_rama | March 27, 2010 2:47 PM | Report abuse

you in the union Kal? Gotta go union.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | March 27, 2010 3:10 PM | Report abuse

For next year only I would start a base with these players. Blatche, McGee, Singleton, Thornton, Gee, Howard, Livingston, Young, and Arenas.

Everybody else is open to the market or not resigned.

I would not bring back Flip and at the same time I would consider the remaining coaches as canididates for the HC.

All of this from a new GM's perspective of course.

LarryInClintonMD.

___________________________________________


I noticed you left Mike Miller off of that list LarryInClintonMD...(DO EXPLAIN MY BRUTHA...LOL)

To me, Mike is losing my respect with each game he plays. Everybody is all over AB, but what about the turnover's MM has, and how he messes up! I agree with your selections for I personally wouldn't bring MM back either. This is his time to shine as well and one nite he shoots, and the next nite he wants to average 10 assist. SHOOT THE BALL MIKE!

DageezInWaldorf,MD

Posted by: DAGEEZ | March 27, 2010 3:27 PM | Report abuse

Blatche is not a f@ckup. He's a 23 year old guy who, like other 23-year-olds, is emotional and sensitive to slights. He's also seven feet tall and, as he's shown this season, capable of averaging 25 and 10. You think LeBron, Kobe, KG never threw tantrums when they were younger? Kobe was famous for it.

Posted by: pjkiger1 | March 27, 2010 3:27 PM | Report abuse

Does anyone know what the name of the guy was that the Wizards signed to a 10 day contract before they got Gee? What happened to him?


DageezInWaldorf,Md

Posted by: DAGEEZ | March 27, 2010 4:01 PM | Report abuse

BTW, has anyone ever seen this vid of Blatche in HS? I thought it was pretty cool

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0gAjjwkip1A&feature=related

Posted by: dlts20 | March 23, 2010 6:00 PM


Thanks for the link, dlts20, that was fun to watch. A true man-among-boys in those clips.

Posted by: grain1 | March 27, 2010 5:01 PM | Report abuse

"Does anyone know what the name of the guy was that the Wizards signed to a 10 day contract before they got Gee? What happened to him?


DageezInWaldorf,Md"

Mike Harris. Went back to the D League, played great, got a 10 day contract from Houston, really hasn't gotten minutes there.

http://www.nba.com/playerfile/mike_harris/index.html?nav=page

Posted by: PostSubscriber | March 27, 2010 6:11 PM | Report abuse

Interesting article about how the Spurs utilize the D League

http://nba.fanhouse.com/2010/03/25/spurs-find-loopholes-to-keep-talent-system-in-place/

Different philosophy from the Wizards. But maybe that will change under Leonsis.

Posted by: PostSubscriber | March 27, 2010 6:25 PM | Report abuse

Mike Harris. Went back to the D League, played great, got a 10 day contract from Houston, really hasn't gotten minutes there.

http://www.nba.com/playerfile/mike_harris/index.html?nav=page


Posted by: PostSubscriber | March 27, 2010 6:11 PM | Report abuse

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Thank you "PostSubscriber". I appreciate the info. Do you know why the Wiz got rid of him? Was it bcuz they wanted Gee all along, bcuz from what I remember....they didn't play Mike Harris much when he was called up and b4 you knew it.....dude was ghost. Any info on why?

Posted by: DAGEEZ | March 27, 2010 6:42 PM | Report abuse

No info, I was wondering the same thing. Anyways, Harris was signed for the rest of the season by Houston, so he's landed on his feet.

Posted by: PostSubscriber | March 27, 2010 7:49 PM | Report abuse

Good for him. When the Wiz had him, they were talking about how GOOD he was and the next thing you know....GEE is here!


DageezInWaldorf,MD

Posted by: DAGEEZ | March 27, 2010 8:21 PM | Report abuse

My speculation is that they realized that Gee was like a younger Mike Harris, but Gee had an outside shot. So they substituted Gee for Harris. Worked out ok.

Why stop there though?

Posted by: PostSubscriber | March 27, 2010 9:50 PM | Report abuse

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