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Foye might be done for the season, Gee leaves for San Antonio

After Josh Howard tore his ACL last month, Coach Flip Saunders said he was "numb" to just about everything that could happen to his team. But leave it to the Wizards to make sure that there is a rarely a dull moment in this dreadful season.

Monday was another doozy: An MRI revealed that reserve point guard Randy Foye is likely done for the season with a sprained left wrist and Alonzo Gee bolted for San Antonio after his second 10-day contract expired. Foye injured himself on Feb. 22 against Chicago -- the same night Howard got hurt -- but continued to play through the pain.

He later had an MRI that showed he had a cyst and some strained tendons in his wrist. Foye aggravated the injury on Friday in Charlotte, where he scored 17 points off the bench, and was forced to miss Saturday's game against Utah. Coach Flip Saunders said that the injury should keep him out for seven to 10 days, with Foye to be evaluated afterward. But with only 16 days left in this season, his return doesn't seem feasible.

Gee had started the past two games in place of the injured Al Thornton but his second 10-day contract expired on Sunday. After Gee scored 19 points against Charlotte, Saunders said the team was going to sign him for the rest of the season. But that was before the Spurs swooped in.

The Development League blog, Ridiculous Upside, reported that the Spurs will sign Gee for the rest of the season and give him a non-guaranteed contract for next season. Gee spent the first part of the season with the Austin Toros, who are affiliated with the Spurs.

Saunders confirmed the move after practice on Monday, adding that the Wizards didn't want to risk using any of their salary cap room this summer in order to retain Gee. The Spurs didn't have those same concerns.

I mentioned last Friday that head athletic trainer Eric Waters was rushed to the hospital with appendicitis. Well, he had his appendix removed that night was still in Charlotte recovering. He is expected to return to Washington some time this week.

On my way out of Verizon Center after practice, I saw Josh Howard hobbling along on crutches. What a season.

By Michael Lee  |  March 29, 2010; 2:12 PM ET
 
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Comments

And just when you thought it couldn't get any worse!

Posted by: bpybay | March 29, 2010 2:20 PM | Report abuse

Coach Flip Saunders said he was "numb" to just about everything...in this dreadful season.


Posted by: bulletsfan78 | March 29, 2010 2:28 PM | Report abuse

considering EG has said more than once this is a "chance" to see what D-league guys can do and maybe find a diamond in the rough.....I'm just not sure what more Gee was supposed to do for him to be considered worthy of a non-guaranteed deal here.

Of course, maybe he didnt want to stay, perhaps our Insider can shoot him a text and find out.

Posted by: divi3 | March 29, 2010 2:30 PM | Report abuse

One of the bright spots on the team and they let him go to San Antonio. Unbelievable.

Posted by: carterm1 | March 29, 2010 2:33 PM | Report abuse

Since we've just starting talking about getting players to fit a system, and because we know Ted is active on the internet and might be reading these (I can dream) comments....what type of style do y'all think the Wizards should focus on or what would you like the defining characteristics of the Wizards to be? Hard nosed D? High flying O? I'd probably stay away from mentioning specific players because inevitably it would devolve into a debate over which players actually play which way.

But what do you guys think?

Posted by: ts35 | March 29, 2010 2:35 PM | Report abuse

How did Alonzo Gee get away? The Wizards season is starting to look like a bad TV reality show. I think that someone in the front office slept on resigning Alonzo Gee.

I'm looking forward to the new ownership [and hopefully new GM and coach].

Posted by: musicmanjr | March 29, 2010 2:41 PM | Report abuse

Can't say for certain mmjr, but my guess is that the Wizards either made the same offer as San Antonio or Gee made it clear that he wanted to sign with San Antonio. The only possible way they could have kept him beyond that would have been to offer him a guaranteed contract, which makes no sense right now.

Posted by: ts35 | March 29, 2010 2:45 PM | Report abuse

Since we've just starting talking about getting players to fit a system, and because we know Ted is active on the internet and might be reading these (I can dream) comments....what type of style do y'all think the Wizards should focus on or what would you like the defining characteristics of the Wizards to be? Hard nosed D? High flying O? I'd probably stay away from mentioning specific players because inevitably it would devolve into a debate over which players actually play which way.

But what do you guys think?

Posted by: ts35 | March
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Mostly long atheletic, uptempo guys. Like you mentioned, hard nosed D type.

At least two lights out shooters and definatly in the market for a really good team facilitating pg.

At least 3 of our main rotation players will have to have really good B-Ball IQ. We have spent a few years with a bunch of guys with one particular contribution. That was isolation scorers. We sucked in transition and depended on one or two of the big three to be incredibly hot to beat decent teams.

Posted by: millineumman | March 29, 2010 2:52 PM | Report abuse

Guys that fit the system the coach wants to run, whether that's Saunders or someone else. Which means, again, that the Wizards have other business that needs to be taken care of before they start spending money on players.

Posted by: kalo_rama | March 29, 2010 2:53 PM | Report abuse

ya gotta think EG wanted to keep him, but he left when the Spurs came knocking. What are the rules on 10days anyway? Can they be extended before they expire? Or is the player bound to become a FA every time he signs a 10day deal?

Posted by: divi3 | March 29, 2010 2:59 PM | Report abuse

Once the existing 10-day expires he's free to sign anywhere he wants. There are no "Bird rights" attached to 10 day contracts.

Posted by: kalo_rama | March 29, 2010 3:02 PM | Report abuse

"he's shown himself to be a capable NBA player, averaging 7.3 points and 2.9 rebounds in a little more than 16 minutes per game. He's not a star, and he may never be, but Gee works hard, produces, and will only get better."

definitely not the type of guy needed around here. Any gluey guys left in the D-League? How about some soft bigs or guys coming off devastating injuries?

Posted by: divi3 | March 29, 2010 3:07 PM | Report abuse

Guys that fit the system the coach wants to run, whether that's Saunders or someone else. Which means, again, that the Wizards have other business that needs to be taken care of before they start spending money on players.

Posted by: kalo_rama | March 29, 2010 2:53 PM

Hard working, athletic guys, who play serious defense and cant hit a J fit EVERY system.

Gee wont make or break this team obviously, but letting him go (apparently) is another questionable decision by EG and is being reported that way around the internets.

Also- Great point here, re: the absurd notion CAP is an issue.

"you're talking about three weeks of the season prorated, for a chance to have the kid on your summer league team."

Posted by: divi3 | March 29, 2010 3:12 PM | Report abuse

Ideally that's what every team should do before they start spending money on contracts.

Posted by: kalo_rama | March 29, 2010 12:38 PM | Report abuse

Ideally, yes. And then you have the WIZARDS "organization."

Posted by: glawrence007 | March 29, 2010 3:18 PM | Report abuse

Hopefully Ted learned by EJ and Flip a coaches systems doesn’t usually work unless you are Phil Jackson?

I'm old school and I would like to see the Wizards draft players who play a position.

I’m tired of the type of players Ernie brought in!

A point guard who likes to pass the ball and get his teammates involved in the game before getting his points.

A shooting guard who can shoot?

A small forward who can either shoot the ball from the outside or gets his points by going to the hoop.

A power forward who can take it to the rim and can rebound.

A center who can rebound and either block a shoot or is willing to make a player pay for coming down the lane.

All should have a desire to win first and be willing to play “D”.

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | March 29, 2010 3:18 PM | Report abuse

Truth is, GEE was a SPUR and wanted to be a SPUR, not a WIZARD.

Posted by: glawrence007 | March 29, 2010 3:20 PM | Report abuse

Teams can only sign a particular player to two 10-day contracts. If they want to keep him after that, they have to sign him for the rest of the season. I don't think agents for players on 10-days are precluded from talking to other teams the way players with full contracts are, so it's likely SA already had contact with Gee about signing him after his 2nd 10-day expired.

You can hang Mason on EG to a certain extent, and you can definitely put the Blair move at his feet, but this one I think is just one of those things where a FA decides to sign with a better team.

Posted by: ts35 | March 29, 2010 3:23 PM | Report abuse

Hopefully Ted learned by EJ and Flip a coaches systems doesn’t usually work unless you are Phil Jackson?

I'm old school and I would like to see the Wizards draft players who play a position.

I’m tired of the type of players Ernie brought in!

A point guard who likes to pass the ball and get his teammates involved in the game before getting his points.

A shooting guard who can shoot?

A small forward who can either shoot the ball from the outside or gets his points by going to the hoop.

A power forward who can take it to the rim and can rebound.

A center who can rebound and either block a shoot or is willing to make a player pay for coming down the lane.

All should have a desire to win first and be willing to play “D”.


Posted by: bulletsfan78 | March 29, 2010 3:18 PM | Report abuse

DAMN dude, you want it all don't you? A question. All these skills at the various positions, is there any other way? Obviously combo players don't work. In case you're wondering, I'm with you 100% on what constitutes a team.

Posted by: glawrence007 | March 29, 2010 3:23 PM | Report abuse

Sorry to see Gee go. He looked good for the short time he was here. But once he makes a lap around the league and they know what he does he could end up just another wanna be and we got a few of them already.
He made a decision---Spurs and play for a contender or play for the Wizzies???
No brainer.
Save the $$$'s Ernie.
Now it's gonna be on you to use the money wisely.

No excuses.

Posted by: VBFan | March 29, 2010 3:26 PM | Report abuse

I think is just one of those things where a FA decides to sign with a better team.

Posted by: ts35 | March 29, 2010 3:23 PM

probably. But the funny thing is Flip said Friday that Gee would be signed for the rest of the season....than today that he wasn't signed do to CAP reasons.

Posted by: divi3 | March 29, 2010 3:28 PM | Report abuse

well since gilbert is still playing next season its gonna be hard to establish a lockdown defensive team but if we can get at least a superdefensive front court that blocks and controls the boards then that can be a decent identity. I would love to see team stats like "wizards have the highest shot blocking and defensive rebounding team in the nba for 2011 season" that is something I would love to see.

Posted by: jefferu | March 29, 2010 3:31 PM | Report abuse

Hopefully Ted learned by EJ and Flip a coaches systems doesn’t usually work unless you are Phil Jackson?
Posted by: bulletsfan78

What do you think Flip's system is? Plus, if he does have a system, depending on what it is, it's kind of hard to judge it based on the teams he had here, the ill conceived collection pre-trade and the talent-poor post-trade.

Coaches in the NBA do have to adjust to their players more than most other sports, but there's no question that most coaches have a system or style that they prefer and a type of player they prefer. Popovich definitely has a system that they keep pluggin guys into, that mostly revolve around and support TD. Jerry Sloan clearly has a system, tough D and a predominantly pick and roll offense. Skiles has a system with the Bucks...tough, aggressive D. The elements of Flip's 'system' that I think we've all seen are that he wants the PG to run the show and he's an advocate (more so than most NBA coaches) of running zone, Though I've only seen them run the 2-3, and maybe some ill-fated 1-3-1.

Other than that, BF78, shockingly I agree with most of the rest of what you said. Unless you have a talented, unique talent like a LeBron or Kobe or even a Durant that you can fill in around with specialty players, it's hard to argue with what you're saying.

Plus, it seems clear that whatever else they do, everyone wants the Wiz to bring in guys who want to play D.

Posted by: ts35 | March 29, 2010 3:36 PM | Report abuse

"talented, unique talent" I speak da english good.

Posted by: ts35 | March 29, 2010 3:37 PM | Report abuse

Don't think Wizards need to wait for the 10-day to expire to offer him a contract, though whether or not he would have signed is another story.

When the 10-day is expired, of course Gee can sign anywhere he pleases, I just think Wizards miscalculated, and gave San Anton an openning.

I won't blame him for choosing San Anton over Wizards, since there is a chance he will get post-season pay as well.

Posted by: sagaliba | March 29, 2010 3:50 PM | Report abuse

probably. But the funny thing is Flip said Friday that Gee would be signed for the rest of the season....than today that he wasn't signed do to CAP reasons.

Posted by: divi3

Also, Chris Miller and Ron Thompson interviewed Gee after Saturday's game and told him they were glad he would be with us the remainder of the season.

What the heck happened?

Posted by: Lisa_R | March 29, 2010 3:51 PM | Report abuse

Don't think Wizards need to wait for the 10-day to expire to offer him a contract, though whether or not he would have signed is another story.

Posted by: sagaliba

Again, I would guess that SA had already been talking to Gee's agent before his second 10-day expired. Or talked to him before Gee signed with the Wiz to begin with and said "Talk to us before you sign for the end of the season with anybody."

So I don't think the Wiz dropped the ball on this one. I think in their minds they were set to sign him for the rest of the year, not knowing that SA had an interest. But even if they had known, sort of offering him guaranteed money for next year, I doubt there was much they could have done about it.

Posted by: ts35 | March 29, 2010 4:03 PM | Report abuse

*short of offering

Posted by: ts35 | March 29, 2010 4:04 PM | Report abuse

so saying he left for CAP reasons was a lame attempt to save face over the fact he didnt want to stay here?

Posted by: divi3 | March 29, 2010 4:06 PM | Report abuse

Ohh...The Austin Toros are the Spurs' D-League team. Well, someone needs to tell San Antonio that because they seem to think the Wizards are their D-League team.

Posted by: SportzWiz | March 29, 2010 4:16 PM | Report abuse

Don't know if Michael Lee reads these comments, but in case he does, a little clarification please? In reading the D-League blog article you posted, the writer somewhat implies that the team who has signed a player to 2 10-day contracts has the right of first refusal when the 2nd one expires? I can't google any good rules for 10-days....any idea if this is accurate or he just assumed Gee would prefer the Wiz if they offered a contract? I thought 10-day players became UFAs after their 10-days (or three games). If the Wiz did have RoFR, I'd say they blew it in a small way on this one.

"Gee's second 10-day contract with the Washington Wizards expired Sunday, meaning the team had the option of either signing Gee for the remainder of the season or letting him become a free agent. They've apparently chosen option B, even though he started in their last two games."
- Scott Schroeder, Ridiculous Upside

Posted by: ts35 | March 29, 2010 4:18 PM | Report abuse

EG fell asleep at the switch, probably watching ncaa's and forgot all about Gee!

Posted by: divi3 | March 29, 2010 4:21 PM | Report abuse

We need to wait until this drama is over.If the club is going like this up to the lotery day ,i expect EG trading this years pick to unload GA's contract.The current owners are trying to compensate their loss from ticket cell by damping contract.It is getting deep in to our skin.

Posted by: gtefferra | March 29, 2010 4:25 PM | Report abuse

Of course, maybe he didnt want to stay, perhaps our Insider can shoot him a text and find out.

Posted by: divi3 | March 29, 2010 2:30 PM | Report abuse

Had EG been proactive and signed him first, we wouldn't be sitting here wondering whether he had the choice between the Wiz and the Spurs.
But Kalo said that the team doesn't need any athletic, defensive oriented players on a non-guaranteed minimum deals on this team. So we shoudl all listen to him!

Posted by: Utilityman1 | March 29, 2010 4:28 PM | Report abuse

Truth is, GEE was a SPUR and wanted to be a SPUR, not a WIZARD.

Posted by: glawrence007 | March 29, 2010 3:20 PM | Report abuse

Not necessarily true! Go back and read the article, this cheap organization did it to save money and protect its cap space.
All he wanted was the opportunity to play in the NBA and had Ernie been proactive and signed him first, do you think he would have turned it down?

Posted by: Utilityman1 | March 29, 2010 4:37 PM | Report abuse

Can't sign Gee unless he wanted to sign here Utilityman1. No way of knowing whether the Spurs had already talked to him about signing for the rest of the year.

Posted by: ts35 | March 29, 2010 4:39 PM | Report abuse

yeah, that blog quote makes it seem like we had his rights.

I used to envision Wes setting his alarm "early" for the start of FA. Getting on his rotary phone to Juwan at 8:30am only to find Riley was at Howard's house at 12:01AM and the deal is done.

Hope EG didnt blow it Wes stye, and that someone made the poor decision to let Gee go as opposed to the Spurs grabbing him

Posted by: divi3 | March 29, 2010 4:39 PM | Report abuse

The timing wouldn't matter. If they did have RoFR rights, they couldn't have been scooped by the Spurs.

It is either...

They had some kind of RoFR rights and
a) they decided to pass - but I deem this unlikely
b) Gee declined to sign with them (possibly knowing he had an offer from the Spurs). Not sure what happens in a end of 10-day situation if the player says "no" to extending for the year....probably doesn't come up much.

Or the player becomes a UFA at the end of his second 10-day and
a) they Wiz decided to pass - unlikely
b) the offered the same non-guaranteed deal as SA, but didn't want to offer guaranteed money, and Gee chose (wisely) SA over DC.

That's my take on it.

Posted by: ts35 | March 29, 2010 4:51 PM | Report abuse

Regardless, it doesn't make that much difference. He was an entertaining player in the midst of a dismal season. It's not a make-or-break move.

Posted by: ts35 | March 29, 2010 4:53 PM | Report abuse

All of this b1tching and carping over losing out on a D-League reject is a pretty conclusive sign that this team has hit rock bottom.

Posted by: kalo_rama | March 29, 2010 5:01 PM | Report abuse

Rumor coming out of Dallas has Ernie offering this year’s first round draft pick for Matt Carroll and ca$h if they do it before the sale to Ted goes through.

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | March 29, 2010 5:02 PM | Report abuse

15 losses in a row hadnt clued you in?

Posted by: divi3 | March 29, 2010 5:12 PM | Report abuse

All of this b1tching and carping over losing out on a D-League reject is a pretty conclusive sign that this team has hit rock bottom.

Posted by: kalo_rama

Clearly you haven't been a Wizards / Bullets fan long enough to realize that things can always still get worse =)

Posted by: ts35 | March 29, 2010 5:18 PM | Report abuse

EG fell asleep at the switch, probably watching ncaa's and forgot all about Gee!

Posted by: divi3 | March 29, 2010 4:21 PM | Report abuse

EG was born asleep and never woke up, just like many people on here that can't even read an article! He signed with the Spurs because Irene (who is still cutting the checks) doesn't want to impact cap space although (go figure), he was signed to a non-guaranteed minimum deal next season.

Posted by: Utilityman1 | March 29, 2010 5:43 PM | Report abuse

Can't sign Gee unless he wanted to sign here Utilityman1. No way of knowing whether the Spurs had already talked to him about signing for the rest of the year.

Posted by: ts35 | March 29, 2010 4:39 PM | Report abuse

Again sir, go back and read the article, it doesn't mention that the Spurs had already talked to him, it is clearly stated that the Wiz procrastinated because they didn't want to affect their cap space to fatten up Irene's pockets as much as possible before selling the team.

Posted by: Utilityman1 | March 29, 2010 5:46 PM | Report abuse

Ernie G again shows his distain for player development. Gee is another illustration of how bad the Wiz are in keeping good players. I hope Ted Leonsis looks carefully at how his President of Basketball operations is not competent at player selection (Draft), development (players seldom get better), and retention (see Gee).

Posted by: JoeC2 | March 29, 2010 5:54 PM | Report abuse

it is clearly stated that the Wiz procrastinated because they didn't want to affect their cap space to fatten up Irene's pockets as much as possible before selling the team.
Posted by: Utilityman1

Really? It clearly states that?

It actually clearly states that before signing with the Wiz he was playing with the San Antonio D-League affiliate and working with their staff. Unreasonable to assume they had some contact with him?

And since no one seems 100% clear on the 10-day contract rules, I don't think you can say the Wiz "clearly" procrastinated. And since signing Gee for the 'rest of the season' at this point amounts to about another two weeks, which pro-rates out to what $40-$50 grand, which is all of the guaranteed money they would be on the hook for, somehow I doubt the Pollins were trying to make sure they got those extra benjamins in the midst of their $200 million deal. And the cap space Flip was talking about was for NEXT year, when theoretically it's on Ted's dime anyway.

But keep drinking the haterade.

Posted by: ts35 | March 29, 2010 6:08 PM | Report abuse

Really? It clearly states that?

It actually clearly states that before signing with the Wiz he was playing with the San Antonio D-League affiliate and working with their staff. Unreasonable to assume they had some contact with him?

And since no one seems 100% clear on the 10-day contract rules, I don't think you can say the Wiz "clearly" procrastinated. And since signing Gee for the 'rest of the season' at this point amounts to about another two weeks, which pro-rates out to what $40-$50 grand, which is all of the guaranteed money they would be on the hook for, somehow I doubt the Pollins were trying to make sure they got those extra benjamins in the midst of their $200 million deal. And the cap space Flip was talking about was for NEXT year, when theoretically it's on Ted's dime anyway.

But keep drinking the haterade.

Posted by: ts35 | March 29, 2010 6:08 PM | Report abuse

I see, you have reading problems as well! The deal was not guaranteed next year, which means they WOULD NOT have been on the hook for his contract.
And here is a quote from the article since you dont want to go back and read it: "Saunders confirmed the move after practice on Monday, adding that the Wizards didn't want to risk using any of their salary cap room this summer in order to retain Gee".

Posted by: Utilityman1 | March 29, 2010 6:18 PM | Report abuse

either they fumbled the ball or didnt want to say "Gee turned us down"....because the cap reasoning makes no sense whatsoever.

Posted by: divi3 | March 29, 2010 6:22 PM | Report abuse

Ernie G is responsible for covering up for Gilbert Arenas many time letting Gilbert feel that he could get away with anything. As a consequence Gilbert was responsible for destroying the Wizards.
Great work Ernie!

Posted by: JoeC2 | March 29, 2010 6:27 PM | Report abuse

Utility if they had signed him to the same deal as SA, it's guaranteed for the rest of the this year, i.e. $40-$50 grand, plus a non-guaranteed contract for next year. Flip clearly states they don't want to affect their cap space for this SUMMER, i.e. in signing FAs for NEXT YEAR, which again is on Ted's dime.

Not sure why they would worry about the cap space of a non-guaranteed contract unless he was implying that they would have had to sign him to a guaranteed contract in order to get him to take their offer over SA's.

Either way, I don't get "procrastinated" out of it, nor does it particularly affect the Pollin's pockets one way or the other.

Posted by: ts35 | March 29, 2010 6:27 PM | Report abuse

it's guaranteed for the rest of the this year, i.e. $40-$50 grand...nor does it particularly affect the Pollin's pockets one way or the other.


Posted by: ts35 | March 29, 2010 6:27 PM | Report abuse

ts35

Clearly you haven't been a Wizards / Bullets fan long enough to realize that $40-$50 grand does effect the Pollin's decision making.

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | March 29, 2010 6:47 PM | Report abuse

TS, every D-League player's main goal is to get a chance in this league. Had Ernie been proactive and signed him first, do you really think his response would have been: "I want to wait on signing to kind of test the waters"?
I do realize that this isn't going to make much of a difference considering this team is in a horrific situation but it would have been a nice young athletic addition that can be developed further.
It just epitomizes the negative impact that Ernie had on this team.

Posted by: Utilityman1 | March 29, 2010 6:50 PM | Report abuse

Truth is, GEE was a SPUR and wanted to be a SPUR, not a WIZARD.

Posted by: glawrence007 | March 29, 2010 3:20 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: glawrence007 | March 29, 2010 6:58 PM | Report abuse

From CSNWashington.com

The San Antonio Spurs have reportedly acquired the rights to Wizards G/F Alonzo Gee due to his affiliation with their D-League team, the Austin Toros. After his second 10-day contract expired on Sunday, the Wizards were given the option of keeping him but deferred to let him become a free-agent. This was after Wizards coach Flip Saunders said the team had plans to keep him. The Spurs signed Gee for the remainder of the season.

The Wizards are expected to replace Gee with Cartier Martin who comes to Washington from the D-League’s Iowa Energy. Martin is a swing-man out of Kansas State who spent last season with the Charlotte Bobcats. He also played in ten games earlier this season with the Golden State Warriors.

Posted by: djnnnou | March 29, 2010 7:07 PM | Report abuse

"Again, I would guess that SA had already been talking to Gee's agent before his second 10-day expired."

Don't think another team can talk to the player (or his agnet) who is under contract. I think even a 10-day should fall under the rule.

Posted by: sagaliba | March 29, 2010 7:08 PM | Report abuse

Funny....

EG likes throwing max money away to the undeserving, but won't spend chump change on a guy like Gee who seems to always go 100mph and left it on the court.

It's funny how in today's paper, EG talks about how the Wiz are in great shape financially for the offseason and with the draft.

I personally wouldn't give EG a do over.

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""I think we put ourselves in a position where we have a lot of flexibility with the trades that we've made," Grunfeld said. "We have a lot of cap room. We have a lot of draft picks. All of these are going to help us to improve the team, and getting a player like Gilbert into the fold is only going to help."

Grunfeld said he has not spoken with prospective new owner Ted Leonsis because he still answers to the Pollin family. But when asked if he was confident that Leonsis would allow him to complete the reclamation project, Grunfeld sounded hopeful.

"I think I'm pretty good at what I do. I have a pretty good track record and we'll see when new ownership takes over what happens," Grunfeld said. "I think we've done a pretty good job here, and if you look at the other places I've been, I've rebuilt several teams, many times over. So I'm confident in my abilities. It's a good challenge and I'm looking forward to it." "

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/03/27/AR2010032703426.html

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | March 29, 2010 7:08 PM | Report abuse

After his second 10-day contract expired on Sunday, the Wizards were given the option of keeping him but deferred to let him become a free-agent.


I am so glad you posted this!

Posted by: Utilityman1 | March 29, 2010 7:14 PM | Report abuse

Did we or did we not get a second rounder from either the KINGS or WARRIORS?

Posted by: glawrence007 | March 29, 2010 7:21 PM | Report abuse

Truth is, GEE was a SPUR and wanted to be a SPUR, not a WIZARD.

Posted by: glawrence007 | March 29, 2010 3:20 PM | Report abuse


Posted by: glawrence007 | March 29, 2010 6:58 PM | Report abuse

"......After his second 10-day contract expired on Sunday, the Wizards were given the option of keeping him but deferred to let him become a free-agent."

I told you so.

Posted by: glawrence007 | March 29, 2010 7:23 PM | Report abuse

Don't think another team can talk to the player (or his agnet) who is under contract. I think even a 10-day should fall under the rule.

I agree.

Posted by: djnnnou | March 29, 2010 7:27 PM | Report abuse

"Did we or did we not get a second rounder from either the KINGS or WARRIORS?

Posted by: glawrence007 | March 29, 2010 7:21 PM | Report abuse "

Those 2nd rounders are usually sold to pad the bottom line.

Sometimes, they sell 1st rounders too.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | March 29, 2010 7:35 PM | Report abuse

So apparently next up from the D-League according to CSN, is Cartier Martin...
I believe the Wizard are attempting to "look at" every 2/3 tweener in D-League..

Posted by: bozomoeman | March 29, 2010 7:41 PM | Report abuse

Um, wouldn't Gee have a shot at a partial playoff share with the Spurs?

Posted by: Samson151 | March 29, 2010 7:46 PM | Report abuse

"Um, wouldn't Gee have a shot at a partial playoff share with the Spurs?"

Good question. Would he actually be eligible to play for the Spurs in the playoffs? And if not, would he still get a playoff share?

Posted by: kalo_rama | March 29, 2010 7:56 PM | Report abuse

"It just epitomizes the negative impact that Ernie had on this team."

Yeah, they'd been doing so well before he took over.

Posted by: kalo_rama | March 29, 2010 8:00 PM | Report abuse

"Clearly you haven't been a Wizards / Bullets fan long enough to realize that things can always still get worse =)"

Oh, I'm not talking about the team. That can always bottom out. I'm talking about the fans having something of even minimally marginal substance to talk about.

Posted by: kalo_rama | March 29, 2010 8:01 PM | Report abuse

This episode is very reminiscent of Roger Mason's handling.

Role players that don't want to break the bank, but give you hustle and professionalism.

Reality is Gee in his rookie year showed more maturity and promise than Nick Young or McGuire.

Posted by: bozomoeman | March 29, 2010 8:04 PM | Report abuse

"Um, wouldn't Gee have a shot at a partial playoff share with the Spurs?"

Yes, he wasn't on an NBA roster on March 1st. The Spurs will have to put him on their playoff roster, but that seems like a given.

Posted by: djnnnou | March 29, 2010 8:11 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, they'd been doing so well before he took over.

Posted by: kalo_rama | March 29, 2010 8:00 PM | Report abuse

Way to have high expectations by comparing his job performance to another abhoring performance before him.
People like you definitely deserve to be fans of this moribound organization since Ernie is your idol.

Posted by: Utilityman1 | March 29, 2010 8:29 PM | Report abuse

ts35

Clearly you haven't been a Wizards / Bullets fan long enough to realize that $40-$50 grand does effect the Pollin's decision making.

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | March 29, 2010 6:47 PM

LMAO!

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | March 29, 2010 8:47 PM | Report abuse

"Way to have high expectations by comparing his job performance to another abhoring performance before him."

You and that straw man should just get a room already.

Watch out for splinters!

Posted by: kalo_rama | March 29, 2010 8:52 PM | Report abuse

You and that straw man should just get a room already.

Watch out for splinters!

Posted by: kalo_rama | March 29, 2010 8:52 PM | Report abuse

Again Kalo, you are wrong like 95% of your posts.

Posted by: Utilityman1 | March 29, 2010 8:57 PM | Report abuse

I'm wrong about the straw man having splinters? I guess you must make him get a Brazilian before every hookup.

Posted by: kalo_rama | March 29, 2010 8:59 PM | Report abuse

Kalo, why do you always make it a point to childishly attack a person whenever your weak arguments are exposed? Again, remember, acing english classes doesn't necessarily equate to basketball knowledge.

Posted by: Utilityman1 | March 29, 2010 9:02 PM | Report abuse

Neither does flunking them, sadly for you.
And in order for you to "expose" my argument I have to be making an argument. I'm pretty sure that not a single thing I've posted in this thread constitutes making an argument. Unless pointing out that you're a fool constitutes an argument. But I'm pretty sure it doesn't, as most here seem to agree with that point.

Posted by: kalo_rama | March 29, 2010 9:08 PM | Report abuse

Kalo, don't get me started on all the failed arguments you have been spewing on these blogs! And many of them are centered around how Ernie actually is doing a great job. But I'll give it to you, your posts are actually very amusing, even comical!

Posted by: Utilityman1 | March 29, 2010 9:12 PM | Report abuse

Neither does flunking them, sadly for you.
And in order for you to "expose" my argument I have to be making an argument. I'm pretty sure that not a single thing I've posted in this thread constitutes making an argument. Unless pointing out that you're a fool constitutes an argument. But I'm pretty sure it doesn't, as most here seem to agree with that point.


Posted by: kalo_rama | March 29, 2010 9:08 PM | Report abuse

You can call me a fool all you want but I am one of the few on here that predicted this misery while your likes were predicting a 55-win season and a finals appearance. I can go on and on and on about the hundreds of things you have been wrong on.

Posted by: Utilityman1 | March 29, 2010 9:16 PM | Report abuse

"You can call me a fool all you want but I am one of the few on here that predicted this misery while your likes were predicting a 55-win season and a finals appearance."

HAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!!!!!

See. Only a fool would claim I ever said anything even remotely resembling that.

Posted by: kalo_rama | March 29, 2010 9:19 PM | Report abuse

"I can go on and on and on"

Yes you can. Sadly this a truth to which we can all attest. It also puts the lie to the saying "all things come to hose who wait" because I'm sure most have been waiting for you to say something that wasn't monumentally stupid, flat out wrong, or a total a load of crap, but the fact that you actually though you could get away with claiming I predicted " a 55-win season and a finals appearance" (HAHAHAH!!!!!!) makes it increasingly clear that day is not forthcoming.

Have fun with your straw men.

Posted by: kalo_rama | March 29, 2010 9:22 PM | Report abuse

Make that "all things come to those who wait." (Although, in your case, maybe "hose" is more accurate.)

Posted by: kalo_rama | March 29, 2010 9:24 PM | Report abuse

See. Only a fool would claim I ever said anything even remotely resembling that.


Posted by: kalo_rama | March 29, 2010 9:19 PM | Report abuse

Weren't you praising Ernie for trading the 5th pick? Didn't you make the claim that there were no good prospects after Evans? Didn't you predict a great season? Weren't you content with the trade with Dallas? Weren't you always coronating Ernie's moves? Again, I can go on and on about your failed points and I won't even have to call you an idiot.

Posted by: Utilityman1 | March 29, 2010 9:28 PM | Report abuse

What this episode has shown me, is that some NBA teams are using the D League to stockpile and evaluate talent.

Those teams are utilizing their D League teams to train players to play in their system. They are hanging onto players through a combination of D League signings, summer league signings, training camp signing bonuses, 10-day callups. They are obviously finding ways to funnel enough money to "their" players so they don't bolt to play overseas.

San Antonio is one of those teams. The Wizards didn't "find" Alonzo Gee. San Antonio has been developing Gee, and the Wizards essentially poached on San Antonio's turf when they signed him. All done within the rules, of course.

In hindsight, no surprise that San Antonio grabbed him back. Kind of exposed the Wizards front office when they did it so quick.

In the end, it's not that big of a deal to lose Gee. What does hurt is to see the Wizards' front office seeming to get out-hustled in the competition to line up players. That doesn't bode well.

Posted by: PostSubscriber | March 29, 2010 9:48 PM | Report abuse

Gee was a keeper.

Ernie was that close to pulling off a coup that he wasn't aware off. San Antonio by the article the other day is using the D-League more proactively than most teams.

We almost had a player that they had an eye on all along. I guess Ernie wasn't sharp enough to realize that he had a prime catch on the line.

He let him get away.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | March 29, 2010 9:58 PM | Report abuse

ts35

Clearly you haven't been a Wizards / Bullets fan long enough to realize that $40-$50 grand does effect the Pollin's decision making.

Posted by: bulletsfan78

Well since, they're going to pay another $35-$40 grand to bring in another D-leaguer, I guess they must really have just been looking to save $5-10 grand.

Posted by: ts35 | March 29, 2010 10:02 PM | Report abuse

Well since, they're going to pay another $35-$40 grand to bring in another D-leaguer, I guess they must really have just been looking to save $5-10 grand.

Posted by: ts35 | March 29, 2010 10:02 PM | Report abuse

I agree

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | March 29, 2010 10:08 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: PostSubscriber | March 29, 2010 10:16 PM | Report abuse

Wow, BulletsFan78, did you read the cutaway that PostSubscriber just posted to bulletsforever.

I don't think we could have written it any better. I wonder how many holes Kalo_rama would like to shoot in that.

Bulletsforever just tore a new hole in the management of our dear Wizards.

He hit on some very nice points that those of us that don't mind calling out bad coaching and bad decision making have been making all along.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | March 29, 2010 10:31 PM | Report abuse

I cant believe I just spent an hour writing a comment and it didn't post!!!

Posted by: Darnell1 | March 29, 2010 11:18 PM | Report abuse

Darnell1, you ought to know better than that. You're not a rookie poster. Length my friend, length. There is a limit.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | March 29, 2010 11:21 PM | Report abuse

LarryInClintonMD.

This organization has always been transparent and only the blind followers are the ones who couldn't see the reality.

I've been calling for a change in ownership since I came on here because I knew it was the only way the Wizards would ever take a different approach about trying to win a championship versus just making a buck.

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | March 29, 2010 11:22 PM | Report abuse

Please clean up this mess Ted.

EG must go.
Who lets a player like Haywood walk? In his prime solid dude, top 5 defensive center. That is Gold. With Haywood and Dray in the post, you actually have something to build around. Add Gil to that and you have something to work from. We don't have to suck this bad. Haywood should have been untouchable.

How do you blow the Mason thing over DS.

How do you let Gee loose ? I mean why bring up these D league players and then actually start him if you don't know you are going to sign him.

And now I see Harris is getting signed. And now we are bringing up Cartier Martin from D-League who has worse number then both Harris and Gee. Why ?

Flip must go also. No need for a HC who is stuck on his system in a loosing season( EJ ) and who airs his dirty laundry while over reacting like the piss down the leg comment and how he dealt with Dray in both cases. Flip is not the right coach. He is better than EJ, but that isn't saying much.

CLEAN IT UP TED. I'm off to go watch Dallas. The team we easily could be.

Kidd, CB, AJ, Dray, Haywood

Should have gotten ride of Gil back when Kidd was available.

Posted by: hands11 | March 29, 2010 11:34 PM | Report abuse

Well Kalo, if you go back and read the Mike Prada article above, you will notice that again, you are wrong about how the Gee situation was handled.

Posted by: Utilityman1 | March 29, 2010 11:38 PM | Report abuse

Shaun Livingston's contract process meshes with Bulletsforever's post. Livingston was initially signed on 2/26. The Wizards didn't sign him for the rest of the season until 3/19. It's my understanding that teams don't have to go through consecutive 10-day deals to sign a guy to a rest-of-season contract. I don't see any reason in waiting a day or two after the last one expires.

Posted by: djnnnou | March 29, 2010 11:39 PM | Report abuse

"I've been calling for a change in ownership since I came on here because I knew it was the only way the Wizards would ever take a different approach about trying to win a championship versus just making a buck."

Well if you're a "lifer" like myself then you've just about heard enough of the Polin family and can't hardly wait until Ted takes over.

EG has to go also, he's made some rather poor decisions and one day he's going to have to answer for those.

Starting with signing a guy with a bad knee to a $111 mil contract....and I didn't even have to mention the word "guns."

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | March 29, 2010 11:49 PM | Report abuse

Hands11, it dosen't take a caveman to realize that playing McGee and Blatche together as a primary focus is best for both players.

They wanted and fantasized about what they wanted in a Center instead of realizing that Haywood was actually a real NBA center.

Now Flip for some reason does not want to develop Blatche and McGee together. He starts them but he really does not believe in developing them both as the 4 and 5 as a relevant piece for the team.

He still waists time sitting McGee while Blatche plays the 5 and brings McGee back in at the 5 and sits Blatche.

If I am coaching and trying to build a winning team, Blatche and McGee plays together. It strengthens the team.

Playing them individually weakens the team.

But no, Flip concentrates on negatives and not positives.

The terms, Lets Go Back, Shake and Bake, Stop it If You Can, only applys when you have your best players playing together.

McGee and Blatche should always play together no matter how green McGee is.

Butchakno' you can't tell a veteran ole' coach like Flip that, he frowns to much and it probably makes his blood pressure rise.

LarryInClintonMD. HaHa!

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | March 29, 2010 11:58 PM | Report abuse

Starting with signing a guy with a bad knee to a $111 mil contract....and I didn't even have to mention the word "guns."

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | March 29, 2010 11:49 PM

Ray, you want to hear something new and unpopular about that 111 mil contract???

Here it is, the verdict is still out on whether it was/is good or bad.

Remember, 80 million dollars of that is walking back in the door next year.

And reading in between the lines, Ted Leonsis isn't against that 80 mil being a primary asset to bringing respectability back to this franchizo.'

Not a popular decision, but when you really take a hard look at it the 80 mil walking back through the door ain't nearly as bad, nor as poision as he has been made out to be.

Check it.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | March 30, 2010 12:13 AM | Report abuse

Not a popular decision, but when you really take a hard look at it the 80 mil walking back through the door ain't nearly as bad, nor as poision as he has been made out to be.

Check it.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | March 30, 2010 12:13 AM | Report abuse

Gil is a lot like AI; a very selfish immature player who only cares about his own stats and refuses to play "D".

A guy like that is going to hurt the Wizards till the day they trade him.

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | March 30, 2010 12:35 AM | Report abuse

Utilityman, Kal makes many more valid, intelligent points than you ever do or have. But, it's funny to watch you try and pull things out of your...well, you know what. Is it straw?

Posted by: rphilli721 | March 30, 2010 1:29 AM | Report abuse

Have to say I was becoming a big fan of Gee and this is a cluster f. I hope he wanted to go to SA although I would think he would prefer the situation here for playing time reasons. And FS comment "for salary cap reasons" can't be true. Really? C'mon...how much would he cost - 750k? Wow, BFD.

Posted by: rphilli721 | March 30, 2010 1:34 AM | Report abuse

"Before this season began, the D-League unveiled a new option for NBA teams who don't own a team (Oklahoma City, the Lakers, and San Antonio own their affiliates) to use when dealing with the D-League. In the usual affiliate concept, an NBA team shares an independent D-League team with another franchise. The new hybrid system allows a team to manage, staff and control the basketball operations of the team, while the local office maintains control of the business operations. The Rockets were the only team to try this new system out, and to say it has been a success would be a drastic understatement."

http://nba.fanhouse.com/2010/03/22/rio-grande-valley-2010-best-nba-d-league-season-ever/

Is it worth it for an NBA team to do it? I think the payoff is in not putting the team into the position of having to overpay for role players. For instance, Gee is being talked about as a possible replacement for Jefferson.

If a team ends up overpaying for a player like DeShawn Stevenson, it can really mess things up.

Posted by: PostSubscriber | March 30, 2010 6:08 AM | Report abuse

Now who would you want to play with...Blatche or Duncan? Rest my case!

Posted by: oakiedokie | March 30, 2010 6:19 AM | Report abuse

A guy like that is going to hurt the Wizards till the day they trade him.

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | March 30, 2010 12:35 AM | Report abuse

They used to call that "Cancer."

Posted by: glawrence007 | March 30, 2010 7:33 AM | Report abuse

I would like to see TOM THIBODEAU on board as HC, but I understand he turned the POLLIN's and GRUNFELD down more than once.

Maybe with LEONSIS finally taking over he would consent.

Posted by: glawrence007 | March 30, 2010 7:39 AM | Report abuse

Ernie Grunfeld really messed up with letting the Spurs get Gee. The Wizards are really thin at SF and SG and Gee did all that was expected and more. What good reason would there be not to sign him for the rest of the season?

Posted by: verbal8 | March 30, 2010 7:45 AM | Report abuse

Gee was never going to be an all-star. He could have been an important role player on a playoff team, but that was his ceiling. This move shows the front office has no semblance of a long-term plan and makes moves that defy logic. This is similar to not drafting Dejuan Blair with our 2nd round pick and then signing Oberto for 2 times his salary. I am sick of Ernie (and the Pollins if they are truly influencing these moves). Here’s to Leonsis cleaning house when he officially buys the team.

Posted by: glawrence007 | March 30, 2010 8:01 AM | Report abuse

...while your likes were predicting a 55-win season and a finals appearance...

Posted by: Utilityman1 | March 29, 2010 9:16 PM | Report abuse

See. Only a fool would claim I ever said anything even remotely resembling that.

Posted by: kalo_rama | March 29, 2010 9:19 PM | Report abuse

Utilityman1

kal never makes prediction because you have to know something about the sport in order to do that which he clearly shows by his post he is clueless and preDICKtionless.

Utilityman, Kal makes many more valid, intelligent points than you ever do or have. But, it's funny to watch you try and pull things out of your...well, you know what. Is it straw?

Posted by: rphilli721 | March 30, 2010 1:29 AM | Report abuse

rphilli721

like this one?

I'm wrong about the straw man having splinters? I guess you must make him get a Brazilian before every hookup.

Posted by: kalo_rama | March 29, 2010 8:59 PM | Report abuse

rphilli721

make sure you wax before your date with kal

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | March 30, 2010 9:02 AM | Report abuse

As things play out, Gilbert may only play next year for the Wizs. And some are surmising that he is a self-centered cancer.

If that is true, those that make that assertion should hope that they are wrong. There are those of us that believe the contrary.

But even if we must and intend on turning the Gilbert Arenas sit' into an asset, then he must perform and play well next season.

If he is a self-centered cancer then nothing will work out next year with him.

I am betting that he isn't a self-centered cancer, a capricorn yes he is, whom are considered to be bit more full of themselves than others, but a cancer, no.

I am betting that Ted Leonsis would not suffer a self-centered cancer on his team for too long atall.

If Gilbert is truly back next year, we will know all too well and by the Allstar break whether or not he is a self-centered cancer.

I am betting he isn't, I think the Judge did too.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | March 30, 2010 9:03 AM | Report abuse

Discipline is a funny thing. You can be disciplined in some ways and not in others. Others most likely come from influences by things you cannot control.

Those others within the Wizards would be the organization itself.

It might be funny how Ted Leonsis now might make Gilbert, demand that Gilbert, become a complete mature human being.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | March 30, 2010 9:18 AM | Report abuse

Ernie Grunfeld really messed up with letting the Spurs get Gee. The Wizards are really thin at SF and SG and Gee did all that was expected and more. What good reason would there be not to sign him for the rest of the season?

Posted by: verbal8 | March 30, 2010 7:45 AM


Gee now has a chance to earn playoff money for the rest of the year. How much will depend on how far the Spurs can go. Still, if you are Gee, you take that opportunity as compared to where you were one month ago. As for the Bullets, it is all about the draft. Their fate will be cemented by who they take with the lottery pick. As for everything that has happend not only this year, but the past several, the higher the pick, the more value associated with that pick. So in other words, why win now, when it will only jeopordize the value of the pick. There is simply no value in winning at the moment. After the top 2 picks, we can only hope the best available player arrives, and not one who was picked for need.

Posted by: Raef | March 30, 2010 9:35 AM | Report abuse

"So in other words, why win now, when it will only jeopordize the value of the pick. There is simply no value in winning at the moment."

Posted by: Raef | March 30, 2010 9:35 AM

We said the same thing last year and one more win would have gotten us the Clipper's lottery balls and first pick in the draft. Also how do you develop young players and teach them how to win in clutch situations without teaching them to win. Steve and Phil said losing seasons make players develop bad habits and a losing culture in the locker room? Also what about the kid seeing his first wizards game looking for a win, the wizards are professionals and won't throw away games on purpose, except for game 82 of the regular season.

Posted by: jefferu | March 30, 2010 10:21 AM | Report abuse

jefferu,
not sure where your going with the Clippers' lottery balls...and I'm not saying we are not teaching the young players to win,we as fans don't need to be concerned with how many wins we end up with at this point in the season because the makeup of this team has changed drastically and will continue to change drastically in the next few months. The players we draft and the players we bring in through FA will have their own experiences and motivations to build on. As a fan, I'm not really worried about the end of this season as much as I am with the beginning of next season. We have a bright future ahead of us, and my hope is that we get a top 2 pick.The thought of winning a few more games this season at the expense of a chance to draft top 2, underwhelms me. Also, I am not saying we are throwing games, we just don't have the talent we did after the trade deadline due to injuries and the sheer lack of depth. The draft will change that and you will be pleasantly surprised next year. Also do not underestimate the 2 trade exceptions we have. Arenas is a wild card at this point. Though overpaid, he holds value. Looking at the big picture, we have only 1 way to go from here, and I'm pretty excited about our future.

Posted by: Raef | March 30, 2010 11:04 AM | Report abuse

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