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Gilbert Arenas's possible sentence, Andray Blatche's benching

Morning brew

Where should we begin? Okay, let's start with the prosecution's scathing sentencing memo recommending three months in jail for Gilbert Arenas . Here's the entire document which depicted Arenas as defiant, refusing at first to cooperate with investigators or team management and not accepting responsibility for his actions. Then, prosecutors say, he lied, coming up with at least three stories about why he had the guns before acknowledging the confrontation with teammate Javaris Crittenton.

Michael Lee summarized the memo and added some new information.

Arenas's attorney also filed a sentencing memo, arguing that his client should not be locked up.

Here's Dan Steinberg's take on that memo, which included several letters describing Arenas's charitable side.

Columnist Tracee Hamilton discussed the Arenas situation this morning in her First Things First online chat.

Arenas will be sentenced on Friday.

Now, back to the basketball court, where the Wizards lost their 12th consecutive game, 95-86, in overtime to the Charlotte Bobcats.

Andray Blatche was benched after playing just 7 minutes 31 seconds. Coach Flip Saunders said he pulled Blatche initially to discuss the player not getting back on defense but that Blatche refused to listen to the coaching staff.

Steinberg offers his take on the benching, plus a video of Saunders's post-game comments.

Gene Wang, who covered last night's game, blogs that Blatche is doubtful for tonight's contest against the Pacers in Indiana.

Finally, here are Blatche reports from Bullets Forever's Mike Prada and Truth About It's Kyle Weidie.

By Alexa Steele  |  March 24, 2010; 10:18 AM ET
 
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Comments

Blatche should be suspended for the remainder of the season. No ifs, ands, or buts about it.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | March 24, 2010 10:26 AM | Report abuse

i bet the players dont even care that much he didnt play, it's that sort of season, a group of guys going through the motions.

Wonder if EG has already had a private meeting with Flip and Dray?

Posted by: divi3 | March 24, 2010 10:46 AM | Report abuse

All of this info that the prosecutor brings up for sentencing is disengenuous. He knew all of that when he agreed to a plea bargain.

So why plea bargain knowing those facts then and then turn around and spout those same facts for sentencing.

That is disengenuous not normally the way prosecutors handle pleas. In most all cases the prosecutors statements is always a presentation of what was agreed upon in the plea.

I am sure that this wasn't the flavor of the plea.

Question though, would this not be something like misconduct on the part of the prosecutor for not representing the flavor of the agreed upon plea?

There isn't really any new legal evidence for the prosecutor to misrepresent the plea.

Legal Experts?

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | March 24, 2010 11:03 AM | Report abuse

The 7 million cost to GA has nothing to do with the facts in this case, and should have absolutely no bearing on the court's sentencing decision. As a second-time offender, he should get several years of jail time instead of six months with three suspended.

That said however, the sentence now pending before the court is pretty much what I expected with roughly 80 million on the line. Expect ARENAS back in a WIZARDS uni in the fall, and for a minimum of two years thereafter.

Posted by: glawrence007 | March 24, 2010 11:04 AM | Report abuse

Am I reading this wrong?

It is almost like the prosecutor is saying that Gilbert Arenas broke the plea agreement so now he is recommending jail time.

And he is using known information at the time of the plea.

Dosen't seem quite right.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | March 24, 2010 11:07 AM | Report abuse

What are you talking about LarryinCLinton? The prosecutors are required, I believe, to recommend a sentence. In fact, the plea bargain specifically allowed the prosecutors to recommend a sentence of up to 6 months. So what should they say? Gilbert should be sentenced for 3 months - end of sentence. Or should they lay the foundation for their recommendation? It's certainly not disingenuous to provide support for their conclusion. Moreover, it is their obligation to do so.

Posted by: ZardsFan1 | March 24, 2010 11:09 AM | Report abuse

"I wanted to talk to him about it, but he didn't want to hear it," Saunders said. "He thinks I yell at him because he takes bad shots. He's taken twice as many shots as anybody. I don't yell at too many guys for taking bad [shots]. I may tell them to go to the basket more instead of settling and those type of things, but you know what, that's my job. If you don't want to coached, then you're in the wrong spot or whatever."

Then, according to Saunders, when assistants attempted to talk to Blatche multiple times, he still declined to engage in a discussion. That prompted the benching and Saunders' tirade to the media following the Wizards' 12th consecutive loss, one short of tying the franchise


how the story changes. now It's not that Flip said " listen to me or you can sit the rest of the game" it's "If you don't want to coached, then you're in the wrong spot or whatever." LMAO

Oh wait did Andray refuse to re-enter the game or did it go down like this -assistants attempted to talk to Blatche multiple times, he still declined to engage in a discussion. That prompted the benching and Saunders' tirade -

this is what's reported the next day after Flip totally rags on AB for quitting on the team cuz he doesn't wanna play D. Weren't some of yall crucifying Gil for changing his story?

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | March 24, 2010 11:09 AM | Report abuse

I'm for crucifying everybody, and lilhollywood10.

Posted by: glawrence007 | March 24, 2010 11:13 AM | Report abuse

I am sure that this wasn't the flavor of the plea.

Question though, would this not be something like misconduct on the part of the prosecutor for not representing the flavor of the agreed upon plea?

There isn't really any new legal evidence for the prosecutor to misrepresent the plea.

Legal Experts?

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | March 24, 2010 11:03 AM | Report abuse
i dunno about legal misconduct, but i know it's greasy. I posted about my own legal situation on another thread. But long story short, i was offered a plea, we had an agreement and the prosecutor kept his word. I guess he woulda been within his rights to bring up all of the evidence against me (even it it was evidence from the felony charging papers, when he plead down to a missy), but yes that woulda been disengenous. I also understand though that the prosecution said they'd aske for no more than 6 mos. the problem with the language of the memo is that it makes it sound like Gil deserves 5 yrs. I have to admit if i was a judge reading that memo not knowing who Gil was, i might sit'em down for 90-180 days

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | March 24, 2010 11:15 AM | Report abuse

I'm for crucifying everybody, and lilhollywood10.

Posted by: glawrence007 | March 24, 2010 11:13 AM | Report abuse

that's rude

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | March 24, 2010 11:17 AM | Report abuse

rather dickish actually

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | March 24, 2010 11:19 AM | Report abuse

Learnedhand got it right. Blatche should be suspended for the rest of the season w/o pay. Plus he ought to be given Spewell's number and have him find out the consequences of blowing a good thing by being stupid.

Posted by: alcoates | March 24, 2010 11:23 AM | Report abuse

16 games of better than average play
vs.
5 years of…poor conditioning, poor effort, poor attitude, poor shot selection, poor defense, strong partying, strong hooker activity, strong legal problems
Oh yeah…this is a player to build around. Get him the frig out of D.C. right now!

Posted by: The_Shadow_Knows | March 24, 2010 11:28 AM | Report abuse

I think that what folks have to keep in mind here is that the prosecutor's brief is part of an adversarial proceeding in which he knew that Arenas' attorneys would also be writing a brief in which they would try to portray their client in as positive a light as possible. Hence, the negative slant on everything. As the prosecutor, it's his job to present the facts that support the sentence that he thinks is appropriate, not to necessarily provide a balanced view, and to let the judge make the decision

Posted by: rbpalmer | March 24, 2010 11:45 AM | Report abuse

What are you talking about LarryinCLinton? The prosecutors are required, I believe, to recommend a sentence. In fact, the plea bargain specifically allowed the prosecutors to recommend a sentence of up to 6 months. So what should they say? Gilbert should be sentenced for 3 months - end of sentence. Or should they lay the foundation for their recommendation? It's certainly not disingenuous to provide support for their conclusion. Moreover, it is their obligation to do so.

Posted by: ZardsFan1 | March 24, 2010 11:09 AM |

I am saying that it is disgenuous for the prosecutor to not recommend the flavor of the plea. The prosecutor is recommending 3-months as if his recommendation is based upon some new evidence that he wasn't privy too as a part of the plea.

So the same info that he plead upon he seems to be indicating that Gilbert did something new, so now he is recomending 6 months.

He should be recommending no jail time if there isn't anything new outside of what he already knew as a part of the plea. Up to six months, remember.

To me, the flavor of the prosecutors recommendation is prosecutural misconduct based upon the evidence.

Up to six months yes, but the flavor of the plea was probation, and now he is using the same plea info to recommend six.

I say to you if your own lawyer knew that the plea info would be used to sentence you when you thought probation, then a different plea might have been sought.

I think this prosecutor suckered them.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | March 24, 2010 11:45 AM | Report abuse

Blatche is going anywhere, people. Now go on about your daily activities with a smile on your respective mugs.

Posted by: Firuz1 | March 24, 2010 11:56 AM | Report abuse

MAYBE KG SHOULDA BEEN GIL'S LAWYER

Posted by: divi3 | March 24, 2010 11:59 AM | Report abuse

I can't wait until all of you jokers who think you know the law because you watch law & order when the wiz games aren't on quit guessing as to what is going on or why. Who cares. its Gil's time in jail - or not. Either way, it is doubtful that it will affect his ability to be in training camp next fall.

As for Blatche. I think he is letting his posse give him some bad advice and he is starting to believe his press.

He thinks he is underpaid? He gets paid to do two things: win ball games and put butts in the seats. Judging from the camera views at both home and away games, he ain't getting them in the seats and jusging from their fabulous 12 game losing streak, he ain't winning any games, either.

He thinks he is being disrespected? A fifth year player that has had one good game a month for 4 years, sat out a season because he got shot, got a john arrest and basically was a no-show for games on end AND still gets paid $2-$3 mil for several season guaranteed should feel very respected.

I am not saying Flip is right. I am saying if Blatche wasn't getting back and the coach tells him to get back, he needs to get back.

Jamison may not have done much once he got back except pull boards, but at least he hustled back.

I mean when he wasn't jawing at the refs.

Posted by: Blurred | March 24, 2010 12:00 PM | Report abuse

"..the problem with the language of the memo is that it makes it sound like Gil deserves 5 yrs. I have to admit if i was a judge reading that memo not knowing who Gil was, i might sit'em down for 90-180 days

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | March 24, 2010 11:15 AM"

that's exactly what I was thinking. How do you recommend 3 months after writing that? Considering he's facing 5yrs and it's a 2nd offense, a 3month recommendation from the prosecutor seems very lenient. The type of thing that would have been accompanied by a "he's really a great guy" memo

Posted by: divi3 | March 24, 2010 12:01 PM | Report abuse

So Larry....just out of curiosity, where did you obtain your law degree? How are you qualified to assess whether there has been misconduct? What is your legal background?

I have always loved your enthusiasm but between this and you being the consummate apologist for Blatche...well let's just say I cannot drink from the cup in front of you.

Posted by: The_Shadow_Knows | March 24, 2010 12:01 PM | Report abuse

Blatche clearly hasn't proven that he's got the professionalism or maturity to be a cornerstone of a rebuilding effort. Compare his actions to those of guys like Singleton, Howard, and Thornton who've done everything possible to fit in and provide leadership on a rudderless team. The team needs to cut ties with both Blatche and NY who have been poisoned by their association with this dysfunctional team for too many years.

I think both AB and NY would benefit from a fresh start and would at least bring some draft picks in exchange. AB would probably fit in well on a young up and coming squad like Chicago or Charlotte who need a young athletic big man who can score. If Charlotte was willing to trade DJ Augustin even up for Blatche, I would make that trade in a heartbeat.

Posted by: wizfan89 | March 24, 2010 12:04 PM | Report abuse

I am saying if Blatche wasn't getting back and the coach tells him to get back, he needs to get back

you don't have to yank your best player 7mins into the game to just tell him to get back on D. he can yell that from the sideline. he was trying to make a statement, i guess AB was too.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | March 24, 2010 12:06 PM | Report abuse

Anybody else hear Kornheiser's take on Gilbert this morning. Totally owned.

For months Tony has been railing and wailing on the scourge that is Gilbert. This morning, it's the kinder and gentler Tony, kissing up to Gil's greatest moments.

What happened Tony? Someone twist your ear? Hope Wise takes you apart for the 180.

Posted by: tslats | March 24, 2010 12:08 PM | Report abuse

Where was Flip when Critt and Gil were arguing on the team plane?

This coach is just like the owners, GM and the players they all are jokes and the rest of the NBA is laughing at them.

Hopefully the new owner will view buying this team like a corporate hostile takeover and he is buying it for the assets (the building and the NBA franchise) and is smart enough to understand that the GM built this mess and the coach isn’t capable of coaching a start up franchise.

Ted if you fire Ernie and Flip and trade every player you have on the current roster other than Al Thornton I will buy my season ticket package the next day.

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | March 24, 2010 12:09 PM | Report abuse

funny how people have begged to get Amare on the roster for a year now, but cant stomach this incident with AB and Flip.

Posted by: divi3 | March 24, 2010 12:13 PM | Report abuse

All of this info that the prosecutor brings up for sentencing is disengenuous. He knew all of that when he agreed to a plea bargain.

So why plea bargain knowing those facts then and then turn around and spout those same facts for sentencing...


LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | March 24, 2010 11:03 AM


Larry, prosecutors often compromise their case in order to reach a plea deal, i.e., they usually have evidence sufficient to convict a defendant of additional and/or more serious offenses but let a defendant plead to something less in order to obtain a conviction. In this case, the prosecutor also considered Gilbert's philanthropy. That doesn't mean all of the defendant's allegedly bad behavior did not occur. In order to show why jail time was necessary, Mr. Kavanaugh set out all of the evidence in the case and not just the evidence needed to convict for the single offense to which Mr. Arenas pled. There's nothing unethical about that and it happens all of the time.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | March 24, 2010 12:15 PM | Report abuse

"Where was Flip when Critt and Gil were arguing on the team plane?"

Flip is a fake hard-ass. He's a player's coach that dogs younger guys as an example of discipline while real vets do whatever they want- openly defying him in detroit and here (AJ, CB).

Dray mistakenly believes he's earned the right to be one of the vets that Flip never gets on. Flip feels Dray isnt there yet and let's him know it constantly.

EG has to step in and order them to make nice.

Posted by: divi3 | March 24, 2010 12:19 PM | Report abuse

Where was Flip when Critt and Gil were arguing on the team plane?

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | March 24, 2010 12:09 PM | Report abuse

Good catch BF78...clearly it is Flip's job to police the team aircraft as well as to coach the team. That good for nothing Flip was for all we know ...asleep on the plane. Where is the accountability?! Certainly there are no other players in the league, prior to the new rules, that played cards or otherwise gambled openly.

Man, you have blown the doors off of this one. Thank God for Michael Lee you are already independently wealthy or you could take his job in an NY minute. Whew....just impressed. Check out the big brain on Brad.

I can see why you and Larry have found each other.

Posted by: The_Shadow_Knows | March 24, 2010 12:22 PM | Report abuse

Look, I know some of y'all are completely in the tank for AB and clearly hate Flip for not being able to run a cohesive offense from other team's rejects, but let's move this discussion to a different level.

After the trades we all got really excited about how this team was playing...why? Because, even though they were offensively challenged, they really hustled and got after it on both ends of the floor. And while most of us knew that they would probably come back to earth a little bit (which they most certainly did after Howard's injury), we were still excited about what appeared to be a serious change from recent vintage DC "no defense" basketball.

Say what you want about Flip's coaching -- I don't think he's the best coach in the league either -- but he has been fairly consistent on this one point....if you don't play with effort, you don't play. We can complain about Boykins and Foye's inability to play the point, but they were both out there giving effort on both ends of the floor. You can talk about Miller's turnovers and lack of shooting (which Flip called him out for), but he's giving effort on both ends of the floor. We complained that McGee wasn't playing enough, but it was in part because he wasn't playing hard enough. He's been hustling more lately and played at least a season's high in minutes last night.

People have complained and we have gone round-and-round about NY not playing, but Nick's effort has been really inconsistent, especially on D, hence he doesn't play. (Last night, btw, Nick played a solid game at both ends of the floor. He played decent defense and got most of his shots out of the offense).

Everyone (myself included) likes to crow about how the rest of this season needs to be about player development and how the Wiz don't do anything about player development, and we have a losing culture, etc.

Well, is there a better statement you can make for player development and for changing a losing culture than telling your best scorer that not giving effort on both ends of the floor is not acceptable? Whether we keep AB or Nick or McGee or any of the rest of them really doesn't matter as much as establishing a standard for how basketball in DC is going to be played. And that at least has to start with committing to playing with effort on both ends.

Posted by: ts35 | March 24, 2010 12:33 PM | Report abuse

funny, BTH gets pissy and pouty on the same night AB stinks it up. We were damned with or without the trades!

DALLAS -- Center Brendan Haywood came off the bench for the first time since making his Dallas Mavericks debut, and he didn't seem happy about his reserve role in the team's victory against the Los Angeles Clippers on Tuesday night.

"I just work here," Haywood said after the Mavericks' 106-96 victory.

http://sports.espn.go.com/dallas/nba/news/story?id=5023864

Posted by: divi3 | March 24, 2010 12:34 PM | Report abuse

"After the trades we all got really excited about how this team was playing...why? Because, even though they were offensively challenged, they really hustled and got after it on both ends of the floor."

You know what's funny about that? Somebody here kept saying they were only playing well because Flip hadn't coached it out of them yet. That the offense worked because they werent trying to run Flip's system.

I dont buy all that entirely, but whoever was posting that looks at least somewhat prescient

Posted by: divi3 | March 24, 2010 12:40 PM | Report abuse

IF AB refused to go back into the game, I retract my earlier statement and agree that AB acted like a chucklehead. I'd like to hear the whole story, though.

I do recall Flip's comments after all of the trades, however. He mentioned veterans that would ignore what he told them to do and were doing their own thing. No doubt he was referring to CB and AJ. The main difference is that they were never taken out of games and disciplined (at least it was never reported). I guess Flip feels like AB is still young enough where he can coach him.

AB is wrong. No doubt. But talking about year long suspensions and trading AB for this transgression is overkill.

Posted by: original_mark | March 24, 2010 12:41 PM | Report abuse

funny, BTH gets pissy and pouty on the same night AB stinks it up. We were damned with or without the trades!

"I just work here," Haywood said after the Mavericks' 106-96 victory.

http://sports.espn.go.com/dallas/nba/news/story?id=5023864

Posted by: divi3 | March 24, 2010 12:34 PM | Report abuse

divi3

Did you read some of the other comments from BTH?

"I'm not fighting for minutes," Haywood said after Monday's practice. "We're fighting for a championship.

"Losing teams have competitions between players for playing time. That's what we were doing in D.C. That's losing basketball. We're competing to win a championship. It comes down to, if I'm bringing it, [Dampier's] going to support me. If he's bringing it, I'm going to support him."

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | March 24, 2010 12:51 PM | Report abuse

Are the Wiz going to screw the pooch on this one too?

Who ever is at fault in the Blatche v Saunders case, can the parties concerned play this with some smarts and not totally screw it into an unfixable knot.

Stating the obvious: For Flip, the Wizards and Blatche, this season is cold, burned, toast; going forward, the issue is positioning for rebuilding, auditioning talent, looking for any salvageable parts and preparing to trade away or let walk all that is not.

For players, like Blatche, it's a time for burnishing cv's and stats for future contract negotiations. Blatche doesn't have a viable position in the scene he's playing out with Saunders and the Wiz are foolish to escalate the drama; totally counterproductive for all concerned.

It is in the Wiz's interest not to devalue one of the few tradeable assets they have. This should not be made into something that is going to undermines Blatche or his trade value any more than is necessary.

Posted by: midlevex_ | March 24, 2010 12:56 PM | Report abuse

"Did you read some of the other comments from BTH?"

b78- the comments you posted were from Monday, that's the point of the article- the very next night after saying the positive things (and trashing EJ out of the blue) BTH appeared to be grousing about coming off the bench. "I just work here" Visibly upset etc.

maybe he'll fight Dampier!

Posted by: divi3 | March 24, 2010 1:03 PM | Report abuse

and Flip is a dimwit for putting all that in public during the postgame. Just say some non-descript "It's an internal matter" or whatever and move on rather than pouring gas on the public fire by going YET AGAIN to the "i had KG" routine etc

Come on Flip, you should know better

Posted by: divi3 | March 24, 2010 1:07 PM | Report abuse

You know what's funny about that? Somebody here kept saying they were only playing well because Flip hadn't coached it out of them yet. That the offense worked because they werent trying to run Flip's system.

I dont buy all that entirely, but whoever was posting that looks at least somewhat prescient

Posted by: divi3

Really? Flip coached Howard into his injury? Because that seems to be when the all-out hustle play stopped.

And the reality is that teams adapt to what you do. Those first few games, teams had no idea what to expect, and could reasonably assume that Blatche's stellar offense was a fluke. As other teams adjusted to the Wiz, the Wiz offense began to suffer. Is that because of Flip's coaching, the player's inability to execute the offense, some combination, or just an overall lack of offensive talent?

It's possible Flip is over-coaching Blatche, but at the same time (if the reports are true) what exactly has he accomplished in his career that justifies not even listening to the coaches?

Posted by: ts35 | March 24, 2010 1:13 PM | Report abuse

It's possible Flip is over-coaching Blatche, but at the same time (if the reports are true) what exactly has he accomplished in his career that justifies not even listening to the coaches?

Posted by: ts35 | March 24, 2010 1:13 PM

I'm not sure why you're asking me that since I never suggested it.

I do think part of the offensive woes are Flip trying to implement his system on the fly, and now we see players a little more lost as there is now a structure to the offense. Unfortunately that structure does seem to include the alley-oops to JM, but at least MM has gotten the message to shoot more.

Posted by: divi3 | March 24, 2010 1:18 PM | Report abuse

The only thing I want to know from here out is when Ted takes over the franchise.

Anything else, I'm just totally tired of hearing about with this team.

It's just not worth hearing about.

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | March 24, 2010 1:19 PM | Report abuse

what will be really amusing is if sitting AB tonight means Flip has to lean heavily on NY for scoring....and NY produces a big game.

Posted by: divi3 | March 24, 2010 1:19 PM | Report abuse

Unfortunately that structure does seem to include the alley-oops to JM

"does NOT seem..."

Posted by: divi3 | March 24, 2010 1:20 PM | Report abuse

Good points as usual, ts35.

Posted by: kalo_rama | March 24, 2010 1:23 PM | Report abuse

and Flip is a dimwit for putting all that in public during the postgame. Just say some non-descript "It's an internal matter" or whatever and move on rather than pouring gas on the public fire by going YET AGAIN to the "i had KG" routine etc

Come on Flip, you should know better

Posted by: divi3

The sad other side of that is that sometimes players only hear you when you call them out publicly.

No question that Flip does go to the KG well too often, but at least in this case, it's a fair statement. "KG's one the greatest of this generation and he never pulled that kind of noise, who exactly do you think you are?"

Every one likes to hold up Phil Jackson as a model, well he's done the same kind of thing throughout his career. He'd say Michael wasn't making his teammates better like Magic or Larry, that Kobe wasn't Michael and yada yada.

Posted by: ts35 | March 24, 2010 1:25 PM | Report abuse

"Unfortunately that structure does seem to include the alley-oops to JM"

In order to throw alley oops to McGee, McGee has to be able to get himself in a position to finish a play, which he doesn't do all that often. The Wiz don't get a lot of fast break runouts because they don't get a lot of stops or defensive rebounds. And in the half court, McGee has trouble getting the kind of separation he'd need to get clear airspace around the basket.

But hey, feel free to blame everything on Saunders while giving your pet players a full pass. It's what you do, after all.

Posted by: kalo_rama | March 24, 2010 1:27 PM | Report abuse

I dont remember Phil ever calling MJ out, but maybe he did.

Did you see Spike Lee's glorification of Kobe docu? Looks like Phil makes suggestions and follows Kobe's lead these days.

But AB aint no Kobe or anyone else, so it's a different situation

Posted by: divi3 | March 24, 2010 1:28 PM | Report abuse

But hey, feel free to blame everything on Saunders while giving your pet players a full pass. It's what you do, after all.

Posted by: kalo_rama | March 24, 2010 1:27 PM

I'd swear you dont even watch the games. In fact, I remember you prefacing a long screed about AB after the Cs game with "I didnt watch the game, but..."

About the only thing JM consistently does on offense is break for the hoop initially. The lob is never forthcoming. After that, he floats around setting horrible picks and generally just looking lost while being boxed out on the boards.

Posted by: divi3 | March 24, 2010 1:31 PM | Report abuse

"But AB aint no Kobe or anyone else, so it's a different situation"

No, it's not. Kobe idolized Jordan, Garnet (reportedly) idolized Garnett. If that's the player he himself holds up as his standard, then it's sure as hell fair game for the coach to do the same.

Posted by: kalo_rama | March 24, 2010 1:32 PM | Report abuse

...blame everything on Saunders...

Posted by: kalo_rama | March 24, 2010 1:27 PM | Report abuse

Not everything the Owners and Ernie are a big part of the problem.

By the way did Flip do when he had Gil, MM, CB, AJ, BTH, Foye, Fab, AB "his 8 man rotation"?

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | March 24, 2010 1:37 PM | Report abuse

"About the only thing JM consistently does on offense is break for the hoop initially. The lob is never forthcoming. After that, he floats around setting horrible picks and generally just looking lost while being boxed out on the boards."

The reason he breaks for the hoop is exactly because he's running around lost and has no idea what he's doing. It's the only thing he knows how to do, so ofthen when he's doing it he's breaking the intended play.

But you specifically criticized Saunders for not drawing up plays for the alley oop, which means that it's not enough for McGee to run to the front of the rim like a dog to a water bowl. He has to be able to do it within the structure of an offensive set, so that when he does someone else is in position to deliver. It's about timing and coordination. And as you yourself just pointed out, he can't do anything within the structure of an offensive set. He just runs around on the court looking lost. That being the case, is there any surprise that the coach doesn't draw up offensive plays for him?

Posted by: kalo_rama | March 24, 2010 1:37 PM | Report abuse

what will be really amusing is if sitting AB tonight means Flip has to lean heavily on NY for scoring....and NY produces a big game.

Posted by: divi3

It would be funny if Nick went off for 40. Given Flip's rotations last night though, I don't think he's inclined to lean heavily on Young.

Posted by: ts35 | March 24, 2010 1:38 PM | Report abuse

Make that:

Blatche (reportedly) idolized Garnett.

Posted by: kalo_rama | March 24, 2010 1:39 PM | Report abuse

"I'd swear you dont even watch the games. In fact, I remember you prefacing a long screed about AB after the Cs game with "I didnt watch the game, but...""

I love it when people use "in fact" to preface something that's boldly untrue.

Posted by: kalo_rama | March 24, 2010 1:40 PM | Report abuse

"If Charlotte was willing to trade DJ Augustin even up for Blatche, I would make that trade in a heartbeat.
Posted by: wizfan89

Nice! How tides change. Was it just a few weeks ago when we were laughing on that trade.

Posted by: Dave381 | March 24, 2010 1:41 PM | Report abuse

I didn't see most of the Celtics game. But I also didn't criticize Blatche's play in that specific game because I didn't see it. I did comment on what was said and written regarding the dust up with Garnett, but that's not at all the same thing as criticizing his actual in game performance.

But, as usual, don't let facts get in the way or anything. You never seem to.

Posted by: kalo_rama | March 24, 2010 1:43 PM | Report abuse

"About the only thing JM consistently does on offense is break for the hoop initially. The lob is never forthcoming. After that, he floats around setting horrible picks and generally just looking lost while being boxed out on the boards."

The reason he breaks for the hoop is exactly because he's running around lost and has no idea what he's doing. It's the only thing he knows how to do, so ofthen when he's doing it he's breaking the intended play.
Posted by: kalo_rama

No idea whether they have a JM alley-oop play in the playbook and whether they ever call it. Some it is on JM, but some of it is also on the rest of the team too. Livingston is the only one I've seen who is adept at making that pass. Miller, maybe, though his "oop" attempt to Gee the other night wasn't that great. Some of it also is timing and familiarity with each other.

Plus, if I'm guarding McGee, I think the only offensive move I'm really worried about him making is a free run to the hoop for an oop. He may get the occasional jumper (or the little hook he threw out against the Bobcats) but for the moment I'll live with that. As a defender, I'm just making sure he doesn't have another 8 dunk night.

Posted by: ts35 | March 24, 2010 1:46 PM | Report abuse

"By the way did Flip do when he had Gil, MM, CB, AJ, BTH, Foye, Fab, AB "his 8 man rotation"

I think he coached that lineup, healthy for three games and was maybe 1 and 2.

Posted by: midlevex_ | March 24, 2010 1:47 PM | Report abuse

"Plus, if I'm guarding McGee, I think the only offensive move I'm really worried about him making is a free run to the hoop for an oop. He may get the occasional jumper (or the little hook he threw out against the Bobcats) but for the moment I'll live with that. As a defender, I'm just making sure he doesn't have another 8 dunk night."

Which goes back to my initial point:

In order to throw alley oops to McGee, McGee has to be able to get himself in a position to finish a play, which he doesn't do all that often. The Wiz don't get a lot of fast break runouts because they don't get a lot of stops or defensive rebounds. And in the half court, McGee has trouble getting the kind of separation he'd need to get clear airspace around the basket.

Posted by: kalo_rama | March 24, 2010 1:27 PM

Posted by: kalo_rama | March 24, 2010 1:48 PM | Report abuse

"i bet the players dont even care that much he didnt play, it's that sort of season, a group of guys going through the motions."

Sure looks like they're playing hard to me, at least most of the time. Not a lot of blowouts, even when it looks like there should be.

You want to watch NBA players going through the motions, check out New Jersey.

Posted by: Samson151 | March 24, 2010 1:49 PM | Report abuse

Dray was just on the Mike Wise show and said that he never said any of that stuff and that no coach came to him except one at the half and all he said was to keep your head up.

Blatche did just say that they asked him to apologize to his teammates at the meeting today and Blatche said that he did nothing wrong so he wont apologize. Man its a big miscommuication going on so its just like the Wiz

Posted by: dlts20 | March 24, 2010 1:53 PM | Report abuse

"DJ Augustin even up for Blatche, I would make that trade in a heartbeat.Posted by: wizfan89"
"Was it just a few weeks ago when we were laughing on that trade.Posted by: Dave381"

Yes, it was. But that was back when Blatche was all but in the Hall of Fame.

Augustin's a good player stuck in a reserve role on a team that's playing much better than anybody expected. His shooting percentage is down because he's mostly coming off the bench to shoot threes (something Ray Felton doesn't do all that well). The Augustin you saw at Texas -- driving the lane and tossing up those shots against much taller players -- isn't on display.

I think Blatche will come out of this funk, man up, and go back to playing b-ball well enough to earn that big payday he's convinced he deserves.

Posted by: Samson151 | March 24, 2010 1:55 PM | Report abuse

Don't see the Bobcats having any interest in Blatche. With Tyrus Thomas and Tyson Chandler on board, they've already met their quota of soft, underachieving, effort-deficient big men.

Posted by: kalo_rama | March 24, 2010 1:55 PM | Report abuse

"Dray was just on the Mike Wise show and said that he never said any of that stuff and that no coach came to him except one at the half and all he said was to keep your head up."

Yeah, he was probably just misquoted.

Posted by: Samson151 | March 24, 2010 1:57 PM | Report abuse

Blatche's is a child in a mans body. He doesn't realize what he's got.
Imagine you telling your boss that you don't want to do what he asked you to do.
You might get away with it once or twice but it'll cost you somehow in the long run.

"7 Day Dray" might just be "7 day suspended Dray".

And if he don't catch on how to play the coaches game he'll never amount to much.
I think that guys like Livingston & Gee need to talk to him and tell him what they went through to get to the NBA.

Posted by: VBFan | March 24, 2010 1:59 PM | Report abuse

dlts20

Maybe Flip should threaten to take his IPod back?

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | March 24, 2010 1:59 PM | Report abuse

I dont remember Phil ever calling MJ out, but maybe he did.

Did you see Spike Lee's glorification of Kobe docu? Looks like Phil makes suggestions and follows Kobe's lead these days.

But AB aint no Kobe or anyone else, so it's a different situation

Posted by: divi3

Phil was more artful about calling MJ out, but he definitely used to, especially in the couple of years before their first championship. Of course, Phil could afford to be more artful because MJ always gave great effort on both ends of the floor.

Spike may have overblown it a bit, but Phil's MO has always been to have his star player also be the team leader. In part because it helps get the most from his star player, in part because it ends up being de facto job security. It also helps that he only chooses to coach teams with guys like MJ, Shaq and Kobe. You will never see Phil coach a rebuilding team.

And ultimately it's not a different situation, because your comment was that Flip shouldn't have called AB out publicly. All I'm saying is that even the best players on the planet occasionally get called out.

Posted by: ts35 | March 24, 2010 2:02 PM | Report abuse

I didnt hear the begining of the interview so here is some other things that I missed

http://1067thefandc.radio.com/2010/03/24/andray-blatche-tells-his-side-of-story/#more-8640

Posted by: dlts20 | March 24, 2010 2:03 PM | Report abuse

I'm probably one of the three or four people in America who never liked the alley-oop play. Lots of the time, the oopster winds up admiring himself on the monitor while the play races back up court in the other direction. He's pointing at the passer while the other club is draining a three.

But I recognize I'm beat. Fans love the oop above all other plays.

Posted by: Samson151 | March 24, 2010 2:07 PM | Report abuse

"All I'm saying is that even the best players on the planet occasionally get called out."

That's because of insensitive coaches. If the coach would take the time to nurture the player, I'm sure eventually he would decide to return to the field of play.

Posted by: Samson151 | March 24, 2010 2:08 PM | Report abuse

And ultimately it's not a different situation, because your comment was that Flip shouldn't have called AB out publicly. All I'm saying is that even the best players on the planet occasionally get called out.

Posted by: ts35 | March 24, 2010 2:02 PM

i dont remember Phil ever calling MJ out publicly, nor Kobe. He has called out Gasul several times this season, but he'd never touch Kobe. Not that there's much reason to.

This is the nba, coaches are nowhere near as critical to success as players. And the coaches of winning teams realize it more than anyone else

Posted by: divi3 | March 24, 2010 2:09 PM | Report abuse

"You will never see Phil coach a rebuilding team."

Rats. I was hoping we could lure him with a house in Potomac and the promise of free snow removal service.

Posted by: Samson151 | March 24, 2010 2:11 PM | Report abuse

I think he coached that lineup, healthy for three games and was maybe 1 and 2.

Posted by: midlevex_ | March 24, 2010 1:47 PM | Report abuse

Let's get Flip one of the best teams in the league and maybe then he can win?

Wait isn't that what happened while he was with the Pistopns and they had to go out and get Larry Brown in order for them to win a championship.

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | March 24, 2010 2:13 PM | Report abuse

Sounds like AB stood up in this morning's meeting and challenged Flip's version of events in front of the entire team.

This should work out real well I'm sure

Posted by: divi3 | March 24, 2010 2:19 PM | Report abuse

"Yes, it was. But that was back when Blatche was all but in the Hall of Fame.
Augustin's a good player stuck in a reserve role on a team that's playing much better than anybody expected. His shooting percentage is down because he's mostly coming off the bench to shoot threes (something Ray Felton doesn't do all that well). The Augustin you saw at Texas -- driving the lane and tossing up those shots against much taller players -- isn't on display.
Posted by: Samson151

You mentioned Blatche with the HOF word and described Augustin as a good player. Trade??? Am I missing something?

Posted by: Dave381 | March 24, 2010 2:19 PM | Report abuse

is it better for the org that the truth turns out to be Flip is full of crap? Or that AB is a liar?

Posted by: divi3 | March 24, 2010 2:28 PM | Report abuse

I trust Blatche as much as that Alabama female professor (Bishop?) who shot her colleagues...."what are you talking about, I wasn't even there! Why are you asking me about this? I really have to go..."

Posted by: The_Shadow_Knows | March 24, 2010 2:37 PM | Report abuse

"is it better for the org that the truth turns out to be Flip is full of crap? Or that AB is a liar?Posted by: divi3"

I'm guessing it affects your views not a whit.

Posted by: Samson151 | March 24, 2010 2:40 PM | Report abuse

and why is that? You know him? Does he have a history of lying?

imho, Flip was (rightly) FURIOUS over AB trying to avoid hearing him jaw when he was coming off the floor. AB admits he didnt want to hear Flip's rage about shot selection so he avoided him.

That's bad, bad, bad from AB...and could very well have pushed Flip's buttons in a way that made the situation worse, worse, worse

Posted by: divi3 | March 24, 2010 2:41 PM | Report abuse

i dont remember Phil ever calling MJ out publicly, nor Kobe. He has called out Gasul several times this season, but he'd never touch Kobe. Not that there's much reason to.

This is the nba, coaches are nowhere near as critical to success as players. And the coaches of winning teams realize it more than anyone else

Posted by: divi3

If you don't remember Phil calling out MJ or Kobe, then you're not paying attention. He doesn't have to call out Kobe anymore, because Kobe plays the way he needs to for that team to be successful. But go back to the Shaq and Kobe days, or the early days of Phil's return to the Lakers, or read Phil's book and his comments on Kobe. Once Phil got Kobe on the same page and they had success, Phil doesn't have to call him anymore. He can afford to call out the 2nd, 3rd and 4th guys, knowing he's got the star on his side.

The second part is partly true. You definitely have to have the players to win, but you also have to have a coach who can integrate the pieces in the right way.

Posted by: ts35 | March 24, 2010 2:42 PM | Report abuse

"Wait isn't that what happened while he was with the Pistopns and they had to go out and get Larry Brown in order for them to win a championship."

Wrong again! Hey, what are the odds?!!! (Rhetorical question, of course.)

Larry Brown coached the Pistons and won the title before Flip took over. Saunders took the Pistons (who were already on a downward arc from their title season) to three straight conference championships and 53+ win seasons.

Since firing him the Pistons have failed to finish above above .500 (and will be lucky to win more than 25 games this season), hired one 1-and-done coach and may well be working on their second.

But hey, other than getting all of the facts utterly and completely wrong, good job!

Posted by: kalo_rama | March 24, 2010 2:42 PM | Report abuse

"But go back to the Shaq and Kobe days, or the early days of Phil's return to the Lakers, or read Phil's book and his comments on Kobe. Once Phil got Kobe on the same page and they had success, Phil doesn't have to call him anymore"

Calling him out while Shaq was the meal ticket doesnt surprise me. My take from that Spike Lee joint: Kobe runs the show in LA

Posted by: divi3 | March 24, 2010 2:44 PM | Report abuse

You've got to be kidding me right? The Serial Skrit Chaser show's up the head coach? Blatche has an inflated opinion of himself, yes he's played well since the big blowup of the cornerstone's two(Butler/Jamison)but what right does that give him to catch a "tude" Flip ain't one of my favorites but their has to be a certain amount of respect between a coach and a player,this team's ship be sinkin so Blatche should lead by example not by being a knucklehead,i'd bench/suspend him and probably fine him.Good to be back and see some familiar names on the blog.

Posted by: dargregmag | March 24, 2010 2:45 PM | Report abuse

character charact character....one has a fairly solid career reputation, the other has a solid track record for seeking hookers, driving 120 mph (multiple times), and being seven day Dray only as it relates to the DC club scene.

So yeah...I could be wrong, maybe Flip will be exposed as a serial liar and manipulator and be kicked out off the team. Feel free to hold breath.

Posted by: The_Shadow_Knows | March 24, 2010 2:51 PM | Report abuse

Saunders took the Pistons to three straight conference championships and 53+ win seasons...

Posted by: kalo_rama | March 24, 2010 2:42 PM | Report abuse

...and couldn't win a championship?

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | March 24, 2010 2:51 PM | Report abuse

"Let's get Flip one of the best teams in the league and maybe then he can win?

Wait isn't that what happened while he was with the Pistopns and they had to go out and get Larry Brown in order for them to win a championship."

You've reversed the history but I take your point. Larry Brown won a championship with the Pistons and Flip didn't, despite putting together multiple 50+ seasons, division championships and a highest franchise winning percentage. If however you think the big problem with the Wizards is Flip Saunders coaching you're a deeply confused individual.

Posted by: midlevex_ | March 24, 2010 2:53 PM | Report abuse

"and couldn't win a championship?"

Which makes him different than the vast majority of coaches in the NBA how exactly? How many titles has Sloan won? I guess he stinks too, right?

If your argument is that Saunders isn't one of the greatest coaches in NBA history . . . congratulations, you finally got one right. If your argument is that he sucks and can't coach at all because he's never won a title . . . sorry, but you're still a clueless moron.

Posted by: kalo_rama | March 24, 2010 2:55 PM | Report abuse

The second part is partly true. You definitely have to have the players to win, but you also have to have a coach who can integrate the pieces in the right way.

Posted by: ts35 | March 24, 2010 2:42 PM

Coaches are a dime a dozen. Doc Rivers was being ridden out of town, KG/Allen show up and suddenly he's a genius.

George Karl barely coaches at all. They sign Billups and suddenly the team is competing for the Finals, but the truth, Adrian dantley could sit there and do the same job Karl does.

a guy like Jerry Sloan is obviously the real deal, but that's few and far in between. Just as transcedent players are so rare.

Unfortunately we have neither a transcendent player nor a coach that will make the difference

Posted by: divi3 | March 24, 2010 2:55 PM | Report abuse

Coaches are a dime a dozen. Doc Rivers was being ridden out of town, KG/Allen show up and suddenly he's a genius.

Posted by: divi3 | March 24, 2010 2:55 PM | Report abuse

I believe during the regular season the team that has the better talent wins.

During the playoffs when teams have the same amount of talent is when having the better head coach helps.

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | March 24, 2010 3:04 PM | Report abuse

I can see Ted interviewing Ernie and Flip after buying the Wizards...

Ted: What happen to the team Ernie?

Ernie: Abe made me sign those guys.

Ted: What happen to the team Flip?

Flip: How could I win with the players Abe made Ernie sign?

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | March 24, 2010 3:07 PM | Report abuse

btw, Billups seems to be universally lauded as the type of player every team should want and has been credited with some of Flip's success. His take on Saunders:

"The results of the team’s discord with Flip Saunders: “I [billups] think that cost us at least one championship.”

What could have been: “I felt like if it’s not for my injury, (even) with Flip, we win the championship last year,” Billups said."

EVEN with Flip. How daming is that from a championship player known as the definition of clutch?

point being, it's not necessarily that Flip is right and Dray is wrong or vice versa.

It's possible Dray is a dead wrong knucklehead and Flip isnt the coach he's cracked up to be either.

Posted by: divi3 | March 24, 2010 3:08 PM | Report abuse

It's possible Flip is over-coaching Blatche, but at the same time (if the reports are true) what exactly has he accomplished in his career that justifies not even listening to the coaches?

Posted by: ts35 | March 24, 2010 1:13 PM | Report abuse

Flip is a fraud a product of the good old boy network that givesthese cats the right to swithc from team to team. His constant references to KG would have merit if they actually won something of note. He purposely "played" Blatche by pulling him then switched up his story on why he did not play. With respect to Blatche's overall play he has been stellar and would be even better with pro caliber options in the backcourt. The adjustment taht teams have made is that they can double down on him because you are weak in the backcourt and noboby on the team can finish.

Although an expensive proposition, it is inconceivable that a new owner would go forward with Grunfeld and Flip.

Posted by: NewManagement | March 24, 2010 3:08 PM | Report abuse

Wow. That's rich, even for you. Assuming that what you quoted is taken verbatim from the original article (and we all know you aren't above cooking the books) . . . you did notice that "even" is in parenthesis, right? Which, in reporting, means that it wasn't actually something Billups explicitly said, rather it was something the writer put in because it's what he presumed was being implied.

Nice try, though.

Posted by: kalo_rama | March 24, 2010 3:21 PM | Report abuse

so what you're saying is, the writer who inserted that while actually talking to Billups must be wrong, because it conflicts with your personal opinion?

Guess you've had a bunch of conversations with Chauncey? And Flip, and AB, and NY right? Sure seems that way, given how highly you feel about your OPINIONS on this stuff.

Posted by: divi3 | March 24, 2010 3:42 PM | Report abuse

Just read the Mike Wise column on the Blatche interview today. He comes pretty strong against Flip, says he is owed the apology and challenged the press to identify the assistants who talked to him.

How about it Mike Lee? Can we get a capture of which spoke with him? Apparently Flip has a headache today...please call Randy Whitman and get us some intel.

Posted by: The_Shadow_Knows | March 24, 2010 3:45 PM | Report abuse

"so what you're saying is, the writer who inserted that while actually talking to Billups must be wrong, because it conflicts with your personal opinion?"

If that's what you claim I'm saying it pretty much goes without saying that it's not what i actually said.

As is abundantly clear from what I wrote, the use of the parenthetical insert is a clear indication that the word "(even)" was not actually uttered by Billups. Therefore your (utterly predictable) zeal in seizing upon it in yet another ham-fisted attempt at pissing on Saunders is, as usual, misguided and off-target. Could it be what Billups meant? Sure. But it could just as likely not be what Billups meant, but what the writer inferred. The simple fact is that we don't know. In other words, the fact that it appears to agree with your opinion doesn't actually make it true or accurate.

"Guess you've had a bunch of conversations with Chauncey? And Flip, and AB, and NY right? Sure seems that way, given how highly you feel about your OPINIONS on this stuff."

And with that, in addition to being both wrong and clearly obsessed beyond the pale, you now reveal yourself to be a rabid hypocrite. Well, no real shock there, is it? That's the way it goes. Say hello to bulletboy and DC Mandy, as you've now quite clearly crossed fully over into their territory.

Posted by: kalo_rama | March 24, 2010 4:38 PM | Report abuse

Sorry divi, but you're way out there on a limb with the coaches thing, and you're kind of sawing it off behind you.

Your evidence so far, a Kobe sponsored doc that somehow makes Kobe look like he's in charge, a quote from Billups saying that the conflict cost them a shot (not necessarily the coaching itself), but it was also maybe more due to his foot injury, and the general statement that coaches don't make a difference, except for the ones that do.

So ultimately, if coaches bring anything to the table, what difference does it make what Flip does?

Posted by: ts35 | March 24, 2010 4:39 PM | Report abuse

sorry, "if coaches *don't* bring anything to the table" is how that should read

Posted by: ts35 | March 24, 2010 4:42 PM | Report abuse

"I can see Ted interviewing Ernie and Flip after buying the Wizards...

Ted: What happen to the team Ernie?

Ernie: Abe made me sign those guys.

Ted: What happen to the team Flip?

Flip: How could I win with the players Abe made Ernie sign?"

Lol, exactly. :)

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | March 24, 2010 5:06 PM | Report abuse

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