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It's 11 and counting ... but Nick Young has nice homecoming

Lakers 99, Wizards 92

Nick Young was the first player out of the Wizards' locker room after they lost their 11th game in a row on Sunday night. He didn't have much time to catch up with the crowd of family and friends he had waiting for him after the game. Young needed 20 tickets - a fewer than usual for the Los Angeles native but he added, "Lakers tickets are expensive."

The fans who came to watch Young play got to see him score 15 of his team-high 22 points in the fourth quarter. It wasn't nearly as impressive or influential as Kobe Bryant's 20-point second period - which took all of the suspense out of the game as the Lakers built a 26-point lead. But it was exactly what Young needed on the final game of a Western Conference trip that only saw him score 14 combined points in the previous three games, including a scoreless outing on Friday in Portland.

"It's been hard for me all year and tonight was a confidence booster," Young said after reaching 20 points in a game for the first time since Jan. 12. "It is something to look back on and feel good about."

Even without playing his best game in more than two months, Young already got what he needed in returning home to Los Angeles. He spent time with his family, joked around with his friends, and his parents - Charles Sr. and Mae - hooked him up with his favorite dishes. His father prepared some barbecued ribs and his mother made her "spaghetti cakes," which Young described as a dish that's similar to lasagna, except spaghetti is used in place of lasagna noodles.

"It's got cheese, all that, meat. It was good. They had it ready already for me," Young said with a grin, diamond earrings in each ear and a sun glasses resting behind his head. "Getting the warmth from my family and friends, they've been behind me 100 percent, if I don't play or if I do play."

Young was sort of forced into action with the Wizards trailing by 22 going into the fourth quarter and Mike Miller injuring his tailbone at the end of the third period. He responded by going 4-of-5 in the final period, including 2 for 2 from beyond the three-point line; where he had missed his previous seven attempts. "I felt confident and things was just started opening up for me," Young said. "I started attacking the basket."

Coach Flip Saunders said that Young has been playing basketball of late, and the Wizards certainly need more performances like that from Young, with the team struggling to get offense. They are averaging just 86.8 points during this 11-game losing streak.

"He's gotten into a little better rhythm," Saunders said. "We're trying to get an understanding that it can also be energy defensively. If he picks it up there, it can get him going offensively. He's gone through stretches where he's struggled a little bit, but at least he got after it and he stuck with it tonight."

For Young, the performance was also special considering it occurred at Staples Center. "I grew up watching the Lakers and Showtime, Kobe and Shaq, and it is just really fun to play against them because I have watched them all my life," he said. "To play against them, it's fun. It's great."

Now if only, he can get a win against them. Young is 0-6 against his hometown squad.

By Michael Lee  |  March 22, 2010; 1:59 AM ET
 
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Nick needs to get a little more intense.

Posted by: rickgonz | March 22, 2010 2:59 AM | Report abuse


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Posted by: louiserose20 | March 22, 2010 5:43 AM | Report abuse

How did Young's scoring distribute by quarters? I saw part of the first quarter, and he looked terrible. But I'm glad he got minutes.

Posted by: PostSubscriber | March 22, 2010 7:52 AM | Report abuse

Fire Flip. NY should have been starting a lonnnng time ago.

Of course, blaming a player for inconsistency is the MO around here. Never mind that the vets are worse.

sheesh. Is it June 24 yet?

Posted by: original_mark | March 22, 2010 8:12 AM | Report abuse

The Wizards play interesting and somewhat competitive basketball when they put Nick Young, Shaun Livingston, Andray Blatche and Al Thornton on the court for extended minutes. The average basketball fan understands that.

But, for some reason known only to himself, Flip Saunders gives extended playing time to Nick Young when there are no other alternatives. It's weak praise to state that Nick has "gotten himself into a little better rhythm." Anyone reading this article knows that Nick needs minutes to get into that rhythm.

Flip's stand-up comedy routine is getting stale.

Posted by: musicmanjr | March 22, 2010 8:21 AM | Report abuse

Okay, let us resist the knee-jerk reaction that Flip is a moron for not having given Nick Young more playing time up until this game? Yes, NY looked very good. That was not only on offense but also playing some real D, switching and scrambling. I'm suggesting that these results might be part of a mind game that Saunders played with NY to get him to realize he's a member of a team, not a solo act.

The Wizards have three young guys who are "absolute keepers" and NY is #3. You can't give up on his kind of talent.

Posted by: phil27 | March 22, 2010 8:34 AM | Report abuse

Nick Young always plays well at LA cuz its his hometown. His friends and family are watching so he probably practice really hard days before. But still 22 points on 7-11 FG made in a little over 20 mins against the best team in the western conference shows NY has it within himself. However, next game hes gonna show his inconsistency

Posted by: jefferu | March 22, 2010 9:34 AM | Report abuse

I didn't see much of the game, but luckily I got to see McGee lead a semi fast break after grabbing a rebound. Then, just after he crossed the 3/4 court mark, Farmar picked him clean, leading to an easy layup. Immediately after that, Flip got Singleton off the bench -- hilarious -- but before he could sub in, Gasol abused McGee one more time for good measure.

Posted by: ZardsFan1 | March 22, 2010 9:56 AM | Report abuse

yeah i originally thought McGee was gonna do OK against Gasol since Bynum was injured and Pau isn't known for his strength but the difference in their basketball IQ and defensive positioning is huge.

Posted by: jefferu | March 22, 2010 10:04 AM | Report abuse

11 straight losses. If not because NJ had started early, we would be competing with them for the #1 spot!

I hope people now realize that this team is NOT better than before the trade.

Posted by: sagaliba | March 22, 2010 10:26 AM | Report abuse

@sagaliba,

No this team isn't better but the team that included Josh Howard is...

Posted by: kevenjones | March 22, 2010 11:15 AM | Report abuse

Terrible body language between Flip and Mcgee, if he had a choice, Flip would have JM on the bench next to NY

Posted by: divi3 | March 22, 2010 11:29 AM | Report abuse

yeah i originally thought McGee was gonna do OK against Gasol since Bynum was injured and Pau isn't known for his strength but the difference in their basketball IQ and defensive positioning is huge.

Posted by: jefferu

Gasol has been playing stronger over the past few years, but yes, his experience was definitely a big difference. As a player who will likely always be a little leaner, like Gasol, hopefully he learned some things playing against him. I only saw the first half, but McGee didn't play badly in what I saw. They were just up against a better, more experienced team with one of the best players on the planet.

Posted by: ts35 | March 22, 2010 11:30 AM | Report abuse

It was clearly partly being in LA that helped NY out, at least with his confidence. He hit his first two shots, which also helps him as well. One was a nice catch-and-shoot of a screen, a la the "Rip" stuff Flip had him work on in the offseason, one was a classic Young make a move on his own (decent crossover) to get a clean look. On offense, that exact blend is how he should play. He's capable of getting his own shot, but when he tries to do it every time, he's easier to defend. Mixing it up makes him tough to guard.

And I liked what Flip said about using his defense to get his energy up. He looked a little lost in spots on D last night, but no worse than most of the rest of the Wiz.

Nick just need to try and bottle that energy and enthusiasm he gets from playing in LA and bring it with him everywhere else.

And while I have reservations about NY, his mom may be a culinary genius! Though I'm assuming it's not her invention, I'm going to have to try making some spaghetti cakes!

Posted by: ts35 | March 22, 2010 11:37 AM | Report abuse

NY got to the line 8x last night, something every starter (other than maybe Thornton) needs to add to their mindset.

Posted by: divi3 | March 22, 2010 11:50 AM | Report abuse

"Coach Flip Saunders said that Young has been playing basketball of late, "

no wonder Young has sucked all year...he's been playing a different game! that explains a lot.


Posted by: stevie2 | March 22, 2010 12:17 PM | Report abuse

"Nick needs to get a little more intense."

Ethan Thomas is a very intense player but that didn't make him a pretty good player.

NY is a scorer plain and simple. He won't be the next Bruce Bowen.

Posted by: Dave381 | March 22, 2010 12:31 PM | Report abuse

NY is a scorer plain and simple. He won't be the next Bruce Bowen.

Posted by: Dave381 | March 22, 2010 12:31 PM

but for some reason, Flip doesnt see fit to play him on a team that averages 86pts/night.

Posted by: divi3 | March 22, 2010 12:34 PM | Report abuse

JM does some terrible things, so I understand why Flip benches him so much. BUT...

I'd really prefer he gets serious burn against the nba elite like Pau. Let him learn something, and maybe even adjust over the course of the game. He blocked his shot at least once, who knows, maybe he picks up on a few things and Pau has to work harder to get his shot off. Or he gets abused all game and takes his lumps. Either way, would seem to be the strategy with an eye to the future

Posted by: divi3 | March 22, 2010 12:46 PM | Report abuse

"Nick needs to get a little more intense."

Ethan Thomas is a very intense player but that didn't make him a pretty good player.

NY is a scorer plain and simple. He won't be the next Bruce Bowen.

Posted by: Dave381

Etan's intensity was the only reason he was in the league, he didn't have Nick's talent. No one's asking NY to be Bruce Bowen, just asking him to graduate from "liability" to at least "mediocre" on the D end and to bring it every night whether his jumper is falling or not.

Posted by: ts35 | March 22, 2010 12:49 PM | Report abuse

No this team isn't better but the team that included Josh Howard is...

Posted by: kevenjones
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So the injury to J Howard along caused this?

Remember the old team didn’t have the full deck either. Jamison was injured from the atrt, then Miller, and Arenas was suspended before Miller came back. In fact, the 3 have never played a single game together.

Posted by: sagaliba | March 22, 2010 12:52 PM | Report abuse

JM does some terrible things, so I understand why Flip benches him so much. BUT...

I'd really prefer he gets serious burn against the nba elite like Pau.
Posted by: divi3

Yep. I get trying to break the losing streak and I like Singelton's energy but there's really no reason Singleton should play more than McGee at this point in the season unless it's to lighten the load on Dray a bit.

Posted by: ts35 | March 22, 2010 12:56 PM | Report abuse

What probably irks Flip, is that when NY does get after on defense he's a better defender than Miller and from the looks of it Ross too. If he was simply a lousy defender but tried hard, he'd probably get more PT.

assuming you believe defense is why Flip doesnt play him anyway

Posted by: divi3 | March 22, 2010 12:58 PM | Report abuse

When he tries, he might be a better on-ball defender than Miller. But in terms of playing team D, he regularly gets lost. He's either looking at his man or the ball, not keeping an eye on both. He tends to float into no man's land when the ball goes into the post, while his man moves to a spot to get an open look or sets Nick up for a back door move. Not saying Miller is a first-team defensive player, but he's more fundamentally sound than Nick and keeps his head in it more so than Nick. I'm sure that's what irks Flip. He certainly has the athleticism to play good D, but his head is not always in it.

I think Flip has consistently said why Nick doesn't play, he doesn't keep his head in the game and do the things he supposed to do on both ends of the floor.

Posted by: ts35 | March 22, 2010 1:08 PM | Report abuse

Oh and just so he doesn't miss out on some justified props....how about that Livingston jam!

When he went down right after the dunk my first thought was "oh crap, there goes the knee." But I think it's been so long since he dunked in traffic he forgot how to land ;-).

Posted by: ts35 | March 22, 2010 1:09 PM | Report abuse

Another random aside, anyone else notice that in the posted video clip, it looks like Kobe is about to posterize Mike Lee?

Posted by: ts35 | March 22, 2010 1:10 PM | Report abuse

"No one's asking NY to be Bruce Bowen, just asking him to graduate from "liability" to at least "mediocre" on the D end and to bring it every night whether his jumper is falling or not."

Nick is an average defender for a team that is full of average defenders (Foye, AB, Javale, Boykins, others). To single him out is totally wrong. Even Jamison, Arenas and Butler won't be name on a all defensive team ever.

Posted by: Dave381 | March 22, 2010 1:17 PM | Report abuse

i thought the exact same thing on the Livingston dunk- scared for the guy! Great jam though, sweet double clutch

Posted by: divi3 | March 22, 2010 1:30 PM | Report abuse

I agree with the way Ny is being handled.
He need to get it,he is moving to his 4th year, it is his life.He some times goes to the north pole while is man is towards the south pole,either he is lazy to run or his Iq is 79.His facial expression is allways to the opposite of the teams performance, if his IQ is avergage it is hard to figure it out why he is acting this way.

Posted by: gtefferra | March 22, 2010 1:34 PM | Report abuse

JEFFERU, please give me the lotto numbers, since you can tell the future,since you no how nick is going to play his next game already ,thank you very much. Maybe he want play but a few minutes[who you gonna blame] nick or the coach.

Posted by: maejude | March 22, 2010 1:52 PM | Report abuse

KNOW matter how good nick plays, it's LA, it' this, it's that, it couldn't be he needs to play consisted minutes, no matter how bad everybody else played, you guys still find fault in nobody but nick, if it wasn't for nick you wouldn't have anything to write about,you must love everybody else, how sad.

Posted by: maejude | March 22, 2010 2:19 PM | Report abuse

Nick is an average defender for a team that is full of average defenders (Foye, AB, Javale, Boykins, others). To single him out is totally wrong. Even Jamison, Arenas and Butler won't be name on a all defensive team ever.
Posted by: Dave381

No, Nick is not an average defender. Don't want to go down this road again necessarily because we've covered it a lot, but Nick is a sub-par defender. Athletically he is capable, but he is prone to big-time mental lapses and he doesn't always hustle. No question the Wiz pre- and post-trade are not a strong defensive team, but Nick may be fundamentally the worst out of the guys who expect to see regular minutes.

Don't just take my word for it

Hollinger - Espn.com
"Defensively, Young cut his fouls by a large margin but still needs to add muscle and play harder. He also needs to help out more on the boards, where he was 60th among 65 shooting guards in rebound rate -- a shameful performance for a 6-6 leaper. "

HoopsHype.com
"Not a devoted defensive player"

DraftExpress.com (and this is from Summer League)
"Young’s overall performance was almost perfectly aligned with what we’ve grown to expect from him on the NBA level. Offering very little in the form of defensively ability, passing, or rebounding, Young scored at will and didn’t do much else. He wasn't too bad defensively, but for a player with his tools, he forces very few turnovers, doesn’t close out aggressively, and lets himself get beaten off the dribble by lesser athletes too often. Some of that has to do with a lack of awareness, but it is also an indicator of where Young is at this point in his career."

Posted by: ts35 | March 22, 2010 2:21 PM | Report abuse

KNOW matter how good nick plays, it's LA, it' this, it's that, it couldn't be he needs to play consisted minutes, no matter how bad everybody else played, you guys still find fault in nobody but nick, if it wasn't for nick you wouldn't have anything to write about,you must love everybody else, how sad.

Posted by: maejude

You must not read everything, pretty sure we've discussed just about everybody and taken shots at most of them. But Nick's name keeps coming up as someone who needs to play more. I actually agree with part of that. He should get consistent minutes, whatever number you would like to pick 15 a game, 20, 25, whatever. But if people are arguing as to why Flip doesn't play Nick, there are some pretty straightforward reasons.

Posted by: ts35 | March 22, 2010 2:28 PM | Report abuse

And btw, the LA thing wasn't just me. One of the things Buckhantz and Chenier said last night was that Nick likes playing in LA, in front of his friends and family. His highest scoring average against any team is against the Lakers, and historically some of his best games have come against them. I believe he even said he likes playing in LA against the team he grew up watching and in front of his peeps.

I don't think there's anything wrong with that either. Everyone likes playing in front of their 'home' crowd.

Posted by: ts35 | March 22, 2010 2:31 PM | Report abuse

Ts35,

Well in my humble opinion, Nick is average. Yes sure he doesn't hustle as often as possible and you can say that to A LOT of players including most of the current and PAST wizards. If he is horrible defender then what do you call AJ and agent 0???

Posted by: Dave381 | March 22, 2010 2:38 PM | Report abuse

Horrible defenders.

Posted by: ts35 | March 22, 2010 2:42 PM | Report abuse

Exactly!

Posted by: Dave381 | March 22, 2010 2:45 PM | Report abuse

ts35, I respect your opinion but if you read what they say about AB, you'll probably find the same sort of negativity.
It's only after a guy produces do they start saying good things. NY isnt getting a chance to produce consistently.

Posted by: original_mark | March 22, 2010 2:49 PM | Report abuse

agreed. all horrible defenders. Add CB to that list.

Posted by: original_mark | March 22, 2010 2:50 PM | Report abuse

Nick's a talented guy, but I think maybe his best chance for playing time is in some other city. He should just hope it's not Albany or Tel Aviv.

Posted by: Samson151 | March 22, 2010 3:04 PM | Report abuse

Sort of true O_M. But I just posted the comments about NY's defense because that's what was in question. A lot of the stuff they say about Nick's offense is mixed, but definitely more positive. Everyone agrees he's got a sweet J and is a very good to sometimes great one-on-one offensive player.

And it's not like Nick didn't play consistent minutes all of last year. It's the same thing with AB. He played regular minutes last year and didn't produce offensively with the consistency he has this year.

I agree with the general premise that Nick should be given consistent minutes. They might as well see if he develops into the same sort of (somewhat) revelation that AB did. My view is that once AB knew he was going to be playing 30+ minutes pretty much regardless of how he played, he calmed down a bit and stopped doing the silly stuff (behind the back passes, dribbling between his legs in the lane). Plus he knew they were going to come to him on offense so he didn't have to force things. I'm all in favor of trying that with Nick.

But having spent some time watching just Nick on the court, through the wonders of DVR, I can tell you that what they are saying isn't overly negative or wrong. And given the boneheaded things he does regularly, I can see why Flip gets annoyed.

@Dave381. AJ was a bad defender, Gil is a bad defender. Neither are playing for the Wiz right now. But to your larger point. Nick is a bad defender. AB is an average, somewhat inconsistent defender. JaVale is an average, very inconsistent defender. Miller is a slighty below average, limited defender. Same with Foye. Thornton is an average defender, who plays very good D against certain types of guys. Same with Singelton.

So it's not like they are all bad, though they certainly can sometimes play bad as a team. So If I'm Flip and I see the rest of the guys trying to do their best to play good team D, and I got one guy out there who's head is not into on D, or isn't hustling, why am I going to keep him out there? JaVale was having those same problems early on after the trade, and was getting pulled more regularly (to the annoyance of most on this blog). But since then, he's played a little better, but definitely hustles more. His blocks may have gone down a bit, but he's getting tips on more passes and working harder in the post to get good position.

So I think Flip has Nick on a short leash that is based on his effort. If he sees him get into his offensive rhythm early, he leaves him in. If he sees him hustling, he leaves him in. If he sees him lollygagging, he pulls the leash. You can definitely argue with the strategy, but you can't say that Flip is unjustified in his opinion. At least in my opinion. =)

Posted by: ts35 | March 22, 2010 3:13 PM | Report abuse

i think the issue people have is that players are not held to the same standards. JM and NY generally get yanked when they screw up, in NYs case never to return. Meanwhile Miller can stink without ever getting pulled, Boykins was allowed to run no semblance of offense for long stretches without having to sit. Ross appears to have his thumb up his butt, yet somehow is still finding the floor (though he's finally being phased out). Thornton exhibits no shortage of "selfish" play and often disappears.

And that's without even getting into the laziness CB/AJ exhibited at times this year.

but Flip is the coach and it's 100% his prerogative to sit whomever for whatever reasons he wants. I just happen to think he's as much unsatisfied with NYs attitude as he is play

Posted by: divi3 | March 22, 2010 3:33 PM | Report abuse

If only the Wiazrds played the Clippers and Lakers every night, Nick Young would be the M.V.P.

Posted by: PublicEnemy1 | March 22, 2010 4:48 PM | Report abuse

"Everyone agrees he's got a sweet J and is a very good to sometimes great one-on-one offensive player."

OK, let me disagree with that. IMO he loses focus easily and is overfond of the fallaway jumper, probably his least accurate shot. He relies too much on his quickness and doesn't play well within a scheme. He's quick to revert to playground athlete rather than competent professional.

That's why I'm so surprised at the persistent support here on this blog. I know his numbers are sometimes impressive, but more often they aren't.

Sometimes we sound like Little League parents yelling at the coach for not putting little Chesworth in the game.

Posted by: Samson151 | March 22, 2010 4:57 PM | Report abuse

"That's why I'm so surprised at the persistent support here on this blog. I know his numbers are sometimes impressive, but more often they aren't."

It comes down to the belief among some, often myself included, that when he gets the minutes he produces points- regardless of the other stuff.

This season he's played 20mins or more 20x and the results are quite good if you consider him a role player off the bench coming in to score. Of course some say that's a disingenuous stat because Flip only lets him play 20mins+ when his shot is falling.

But when you look at how many games this season he's played 5mins or less and been pulled for good after taking just 1 or 2 shots....imho, it's hard to argue he always gets the chance to put points on the board but just doesnt deliver

Posted by: divi3 | March 22, 2010 7:01 PM | Report abuse

I'd really prefer he gets serious burn against the nba elite like Pau. Let him learn something, and maybe even adjust over the course of the game. He blocked his shot at least once, who knows, maybe he picks up on a few things and Pau has to work harder to get his shot off. Or he gets abused all game and takes his lumps. Either way, would seem to be the strategy with an eye to the future

Posted by: divi3 | March 22, 2010 12:46 PM | Report abuse

The risk there is McGee getting desperate and losing focus on fundamentals. Then he just gets extended practice of bad habits. Which will only make him worse in the long run.

He needs to assimilate the fundamentals before he gets extended time

Posted by: crs-1 | March 22, 2010 7:30 PM | Report abuse

He's quick to revert to playground athlete rather than competent professional.

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Well put

Posted by: crs-1 | March 22, 2010 7:30 PM | Report abuse

The risk there is McGee getting desperate and losing focus on fundamentals. Then he just gets extended practice of bad habits. Which will only make him worse in the long run.

He needs to assimilate the fundamentals before he gets extended time

Exactly. If he doesn't know what he's doing then giving him extended PT is just giving him more time to practice his mistakes.

Posted by: kalo_rama | March 22, 2010 9:52 PM | Report abuse

"Everyone agrees he's got a sweet J and is a very good to sometimes great one-on-one offensive player."

No, everyone doesn't agree. His jumper is too often all over the place. His tendency to shoot fading away, even when he doesn't have to, results in him making shots more difficult than they need to be. And I haven't seen any evidence of him being anything close to a "great offensive player" because one of the hallmarks of truly great offensive players is consistency, which is the main thing that Young lacks.

"Sometimes we sound like Little League parents yelling at the coach for not putting little Chesworth in the game."

Okay, that's much too specific a name to have been chosen at random. Still trying to work out some childhood sports trauma?

Posted by: kalo_rama | March 22, 2010 9:58 PM | Report abuse

"But when you look at how many games this season he's played 5mins or less and been pulled for good after taking just 1 or 2 shots....imho, it's hard to argue he always gets the chance to put points on the board but just doesnt deliver"

No, it's really not. Because, as much as you seem unable/unwilling to acknowledge it, this is not Young's first year as a member of the Wizards. He's had two years prior to this to prove himself on this team and the NBA, including last season when he played every game and averaged 20+ mpg, and he's failed to take advantage of those opportunities by showing the growth and development one would expect.

Posted by: kalo_rama | March 22, 2010 10:00 PM | Report abuse

"I just happen to think he's as much unsatisfied with NYs attitude as he is play"

The two are rarely mutually exclusive. Players with lousy attitudes generally produce questionable results, no matter how talented they are. If the coach thinks a player's attitude is standing in the way of him producing on the court, he has every right to factor that into the decision whether to play him.

Posted by: kalo_rama | March 22, 2010 10:03 PM | Report abuse

including last season when he played every game and averaged 20+ mpg

you mean the season when he "coincedentally" had career highs in pts rebs and assts. the numbers aren't huge,but they're better when he plays more mins(deservedly or otherwise) however you slice it

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | March 22, 2010 11:51 PM | Report abuse

No, it's really not. Because, as much as you seem unable/unwilling to acknowledge it, this is not Young's first year as a member of the Wizards. He's had two years prior to this to prove himself on this team and the NBA, including last season when he played every game and averaged 20+ mpg, and he's failed to take advantage of those opportunities by showing the growth and development one would expect.

Posted by: kalo_rama | March 22, 2010 10:00 PM

We're talking NY this year in comparison to the other options on the team. Flip didnt coach NY or any of these other guys before, so THIS season is what it's about.

And the fact is, he gets buckets when he's given the same leash as the rest of the squad. Of course, your opinion may differ, but that's just an opinion.

Posted by: divi3 | March 23, 2010 12:29 AM | Report abuse

Exactly. If he doesn't know what he's doing then giving him extended PT is just giving him more time to practice his mistakes.

Posted by: kalo_rama | March 22, 2010 9:52 PM

So why bring him on the west coast swing at all? Flip said there have been very few practices due to scheduling. Guess they should have sent Mcgee back to DC as soon as he exhibited poor play right? Heaven forbid anyone learn on the job in a lost season.

Posted by: divi3 | March 23, 2010 12:33 AM | Report abuse

He's had two years prior to this to prove himself on this team and the NBA, including last season when he played every game and averaged 20+ mpg, and he's failed to take advantage of those opportunities by showing the growth and development one would expect.

Posted by: kalo_rama | March 22, 2010 10:00 PM

You mean last season when he shot 44% and averaged 11pts/night on 9fga's? Um, the problem with that was what exactly?

Posted by: divi3 | March 23, 2010 12:37 AM | Report abuse

Flip is 1 notch above Tapscott as coaches go. If 1 of those 7 assistant coaches knew how to coach big men, if he knew how to coach a game this team would have been so much better. McGee, Blatche and Young suffered from bad coaching last year and bad coaching this year and we expect these guys to develop. There's a reason other teams young players develop. Flip should have never come here.

Posted by: rnbrown4 | March 23, 2010 6:50 AM | Report abuse

I should rephrase. All of the different scouting reports I was looking at said NY had great offensive talent, or the capacity to be a great offensive player and had flashed great ability. Consistency was most often cited as the area in which his offense needed to improve the most.

Divi, I agree that if you put NY out there for 20 mins a night, he's going to give you 20 pts. But even if he doesn't contribute in the other areas, it still matters HOW he gets his points. If his teammates know that if they pass him the ball, the shot is going up, no matter if it's a good shot or not, and even if it goes in, it disrupts the team flow. Guys stop making moves or cutting to the hoop. You can't have 4 guys doing the team thing and one guy doing his own thing.

If he gets his points in the context of the offense which he did a pretty good job of in the Laker game, then it's great. He made some moves of his own, but he also hit some shots coming off of screens, or on ball-reversals that got him open looks. But too often he'll take too much on himself. Much in the same way that Blatche used to.

So if he's being selfish on the offensive end, and then not playing hard on the defensive end, even if he gets his 10-12 pts, is he really helping the team win?

Posted by: ts35 | March 23, 2010 10:25 AM | Report abuse

"Flip is 1 notch above Tapscott as coaches go. If 1 of those 7 assistant coaches knew how to coach big men, if he knew how to coach a game this team would have been so much better. McGee, Blatche and Young suffered from bad coaching last year and bad coaching this year and we expect these guys to develop. There's a reason other teams young players develop. Flip should have never come here.Posted by: rnbrown4"

Well, that's a lot of opinion but not much in the way of fact to back it up.

Posted by: Samson151 | March 23, 2010 10:31 AM | Report abuse

In terms of leaving McGee out there, I think it depends on how mentally tough he is. Mentally tough guys like Alonzo Mourning you could trust to leave out there and fight their way through it and learn as they go. For someone who isn't mentally tough, you risk damaging their confidence and reinforcing bad habits.

If I had to guess, I would say he is probably not that mentally tough. Which is not a knock, I'm not saying he's mentally weak, just average for a player his age. So I think they are generally taking the right approach. Getting him out there for good minutes against tough competition, but not leaving out there too long to absorb too much abuse.

The question I have is who is supposed to be developing the big men? When the guards, especially the guys running point, go to the bench, you might see Flip say something to them, and then frequently you'll see Sam Cassell go over and get in their ears. I don't recall seeing anyone get in McGee's ear when he hits the bench, but I haven't been watching for it.

Posted by: ts35 | March 23, 2010 10:34 AM | Report abuse

"We're talking NY this year in comparison to the other options on the team. Flip didnt coach NY or any of these other guys before, so THIS season is what it's about."

So because Saunders wasn't Young's coach before this season, none of what Young did in previous season's counts? That is, of course, utter nonsense. Young's career didn't begin the moment Saunders took the job. Those other years didn't just go away. Also, last I checked, Ernie Grunfeld was around for the previous years and, I'm just guessing here, at some point it seems likely that he and Saunders talked about the players. Again, just guessing.

You mean last season when he shot 44% and averaged 11pts/night on 9fga's? Um, the problem with that was what exactly?

Predictable as the sunrise.

Putting aside the still obvious fact that thumbnail stats don't actually make an argument or a point, or that you can't judge consistency (which always has been and continues to be one of Young's biggest issues) from aggregate stats, the problem isn't what he did last year (which really wasn't all that special). The problem (and the reason why he sits more often than not) is his failure to build on and grow from what he did last season.

"the numbers aren't huge,but they're better when he plays more mins(deservedly or otherwise) however you slice it"

Congratulations for once again solving the vexing puzzle of how players put up bigger numbers when they play more minutes. All the world's ills now laid to rest.

Posted by: kalo_rama | March 23, 2010 11:02 AM | Report abuse

"So if he's being selfish on the offensive end, and then not playing hard on the defensive end, even if he gets his 10-12 pts, is he really helping the team win?"

Clearly that's not really a concern for the Nick Young lobby. As long as he gets his minutes and his numbers, that's all they care about. Of course, these are some of the same people who routinely ripped Arenas, Jamison, and Butler for supposedly only caring about minutes and numbers. Ironic, no?

Posted by: kalo_rama | March 23, 2010 11:04 AM | Report abuse

"So why bring him on the west coast swing at all? Flip said there have been very few practices due to scheduling. Guess they should have sent Mcgee back to DC as soon as he exhibited poor play right? Heaven forbid anyone learn on the job in a lost season."

That post might not be slightly less ridiculous had McGee shown any signs of having the capacity of learning on the job. But the fact remains that, coming up on the end of his second season, he continues to make the same rookie mistakes he was making at the beginning of his first season.

Heaven forbid, indeed.

Posted by: kalo_rama | March 23, 2010 11:07 AM | Report abuse

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