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Minor injury adds to Wizards' woes

Morning brew

Michael Lee wrote for this morning's newspaper about Andray Blatche's sprained ankle: the latest setback -- albeit a minor one -- in this dismal season. Nuggets guard Chauncey Billups expressed sympathy for his former coach, Flip Saunders. "He's had some down times," Billups said. (Blatche said he should be should be able to play Friday against the Trail Blazers.)

Maryland native Ty Lawson discusses his solid rookie season in Denverand explains his disappointment about missing Tuesday's win against his hometown team.

Bullets Forever's Mike Prada takes a second look at Tuesday's loss to Denver. And the blog continues to look forward to the draft.

The Wizards aren't the only NBA team dealing with tumult. Portland, their opponent on Friday, has had some upheaval in recent days with the surprising dismissal of Blazers vice president Tom Penn. The Oregonian's John Canzano writes that General Manager Kevin Pritchard could be next.

Newcomer Alonzo Gee, who is expected to sign a second 10-day contract on Friday, got an honorable mention in the latest NBA.com rookie rankings. The Birmingham News is also keeping tabs on the former Alabama star.

Around the league ...

There were 11 games last night. Highlights are below, courtesy on NBA.com.

By Alexa Steele  |  March 18, 2010; 10:38 AM ET
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What position is GEE playing, #3 SF?

Posted by: glawrence007 | March 18, 2010 12:13 PM | Report abuse

Nuggets guard Chauncey Billups expressed sympathy for his former coach, Flip Saunders.

When is someone going to express sympathy for the fans who have had to put up with the pollin organization?

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | March 18, 2010 12:14 PM | Report abuse

the main issue with the first pick will be, Is Dray the PF of the now and future for this team?

Answer yes, and you draft one way.

Answer maybe, and perhaps another.

Because if Cousins and Favors are worth their draft status, you have to think they end up as your starting PF when you draft them

Posted by: divi3 | March 18, 2010 12:48 PM | Report abuse

divi3

If Cousins or Favors are available, do you trade Dray, trying to get the first pick?

Posted by: G-Man11 | March 18, 2010 12:54 PM | Report abuse

I agree with you BulletsFan78, what about the fans. Once again I was duped. I bought a package deal of tickets and am stuck with them. I don't blame the team/players, they are doing the best they can with what they have. They are putting forth the effort, they just don't have the weapons needed to win. So many people wanted Jamison,Stevenson, Haywood etc traded and look where it got us. Now, they are wanting to trade Blatche too??!! I don't get it or understand some of these posts and articles at times. As a trueblue Wiz fan, it is diheartening. Blatche is being consistent as called for and it still isn't enough? I guess some people won't be satisfied until we hit rock bottom. Then they can say, I told you so. And for those so stuck on the draft, we see how good it did us last year right? Whatever! At this point, I am too through. This is my last post for the season. Can't deal with the negativity. Later! See ya next season.

Posted by: ivyleague | March 18, 2010 12:56 PM | Report abuse

divi3

If Cousins or Favors are available, do you trade Dray, trying to get the first pick?

Posted by: G-Man11 | March 18, 2010 12:54 PM

hell to the muthaflippin no.

AB is producing at a big time level right now, while EVERY player drafted is a question mark.

but i see where you're coming from, and no doubt that would be an exciting fresh start for a moribund organization

Posted by: divi3 | March 18, 2010 1:09 PM | Report abuse

divi3

If you say no, then how about trading the our high lotto pick and extra to move up for Wall?

Posted by: G-Man11 | March 18, 2010 1:34 PM | Report abuse

No one who gets the first pick is trading down for anything the Wizards have to offer, including Blatche.

Posted by: kalo_rama | March 18, 2010 1:44 PM | Report abuse

If you say no, then how about trading the our high lotto pick and extra to move up for Wall?

Posted by: G-Man11 | March 18, 2010 1:34 PM

i've only gotten to see Wall a few times, have no idea if he is as good as the hype so i cant say

Posted by: divi3 | March 18, 2010 1:52 PM | Report abuse

It is march, every analysis Put john Wall as the lotery pick of 2010,I have no problem.All lotery teams except chicago will go for him.Even chicago will pick him and trade him for an all star level big man.
In june we all are going to see the name of d.cousins to slide down to #2 probably #1.
Washington will pick the best avaliable, if they are #2 they should go for him over Turner, i think 50% of the lotery teams will do that.A big man high in the lotery pick should not be passed.

Posted by: gtefferra | March 18, 2010 1:55 PM | Report abuse

Yep, Derrick Favors has sort of been neglected. He's a fabulous athlete who likes to play defense. The article compares him to Amare Stoudemire but outside of athleticism, they're entirely different players.

Posted by: Samson151 | March 18, 2010 2:03 PM | Report abuse

No one who gets the first pick is trading down for anything the Wizards have to offer, including Blatche.

Posted by: kalo_rama

Probably true, except for MAYBE (big maybe) Chicago or New Orleans who have primary ballhandlers already. But even with those two, Blatche plus swapping 1's probably wouldn't be enough.

Posted by: ts35 | March 18, 2010 2:05 PM | Report abuse

If you look at Chauncey's career, he didn't really blossom until he left Minnesota. He played in Minnesota for 2 years, and one of them (00-01) ranked among his two worst years.
http://www.nba.com/playerfile/chauncey_billups/career_stats.html

Posted by: sagaliba | March 18, 2010 2:07 PM | Report abuse

we're not trading Blatche, he's the only legit nba starter on the roster (not facing 5yrs in jail).

Posted by: divi3 | March 18, 2010 2:09 PM | Report abuse

McGee in the last 3 games, shot only 20% and averaged only 3.3 rebounds in 23 minutes!

Last night, Gee outrebounded McGee 10 to 3!

Posted by: sagaliba | March 18, 2010 2:09 PM | Report abuse

"Because if Cousins and Favors are worth their draft status, you have to think they end up as your starting PF when you draft them. Posted by: divi3"

Why? What's wrong with fitting Cousins or Favors into a 3 man inside rotation? They're not much like Blatche or McGee.

Posted by: Samson151 | March 18, 2010 2:18 PM | Report abuse

"Because if Cousins and Favors are worth their draft status, you have to think they end up as your starting PF when you draft them. Posted by: divi3"

Why? What's wrong with fitting Cousins or Favors into a 3 man inside rotation? They're not much like Blatche or McGee.
Posted by: Samson151

You definitely could do that, or Cousins could be your starting C.

Posted by: ts35 | March 18, 2010 2:24 PM | Report abuse

"Probably true, except for MAYBE (big maybe) Chicago or New Orleans who have primary ballhandlers already."

Not even them. New Orleans already have David West, an almost identically styled player as Blatche who's already been an all-star. Chicago has positioned themselves to have salary cap space to pursue a legit star to play next to Rose this summer. They aren't going to spend it on Blatche.

Posted by: kalo_rama | March 18, 2010 2:27 PM | Report abuse

i havent seen any talk of Cousins playing C, given his supposed lack of defensive ability but who knows

Posted by: divi3 | March 18, 2010 2:28 PM | Report abuse

If you look at Chauncey's career, he didn't really blossom until he left Minnesota. He played in Minnesota for 2 years, and one of them (00-01) ranked among his two worst years.
http://www.nba.com/playerfile/chauncey_billups/career_stats.html

As usual, stats fail to tell the whole truth.

If you really look at Billups' career, you'll see that his last season in Minnesota was the breakout (to that point in his career) that garnered him attention on the FA market and landed him a long-term deal in Detroit.

What those stats don't tell you is that after Terrell Brandon got hurt about a third of the way into the season, Billups became the starter and averaged about 20 ppg for the T-Wolves.

Posted by: kalo_rama | March 18, 2010 2:33 PM | Report abuse

So the question being, with all of the time teams spend trying to make their big men play like big men, why would you want to take one of the better low-post options we've had in years and try to move him to the wing when it's not necessary? I have no problem taking a big man if they figure he's the best player out there, but why does that mean Blatche has to move to SF? There's 96 minutes a night between PF and C, more than enough to get 3 players good minutes each game.

Posted by: ts35 | March 18, 2010 12:38 PM | Report abuse


i had already said that could work too. The point here is not who is your starter at what position. My argument is that with 3-4 or 5 GOOD big men, you have far more options than with 4 or 5 good pgs

You can always trade a mediocre big man for a good guard.

Posted by: Blurred | March 18, 2010 2:46 PM | Report abuse

What those stats don't tell you is that after Terrell Brandon got hurt about a third of the way into the season, Billups became the starter and averaged about 20 ppg for the T-Wolves.

Posted by: kalo_rama | March 18, 2010 2:33 PM | Report abuse


Wasn't that the year the T-Wolves won 50 games and ended up 3rd in the western conference but lost in the 1st round 3-0?

Who was the coach?

Right Flip...great job Flip?

http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/MIN/2002.html

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | March 18, 2010 2:49 PM | Report abuse

I am also not saying pick Cousins over Wall, just saying that unless we get the first pick, doubt wall is available, but who knows. 6 games possibly to figure out if wall & cousins are for real. 6 games possibly that one of them gets injured.

If you have the number one pick this year, you pick wall and trade him to the #2 or 3 team for their pick and their best guard. Depending on who that is!

Whatever you do...do not trade Blatche. Not because he is a definite all -star (although he is playing like one now), but because he is what constitutes a veteran player on this team and because he is so durn cheap. He is probably the best value in the NBA not on a rookie contract.

Posted by: Blurred | March 18, 2010 2:50 PM | Report abuse

You can always trade a mediocre big man for a good guard.

Posted by: Blurred | March 18, 2010 2:46 PM | Report abuse

Really why didn't Ernie get any good guards when he traded BTH or AJ?

My argument is that with 3-4 or 5 GOOD big men, you have far more options than with 4 or 5 good pgs

Posted by: Blurred | March 18, 2010 2:46 PM | Report abuse

Did yu go to the same "How to build a losing Basketball Team" school as Ernie?

Basketball is a team game and there are 5 players on the court at the same time and unless you want to play 5 big men and have no one control the ball that's great.

I hope the new owner looks at the teams that win championships and build a team like they do and not like Ernie and some of the people on here would like.

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | March 18, 2010 2:55 PM | Report abuse

"i havent seen any talk of Cousins playing C, given his supposed lack of defensive ability but who knows Posted by: divi3"

Hmm... he's listed on the biggest sites, DraftExpress and NBADraft.net, as center and PF/C, respectively.

What Cousins lacks is lateral quickness. What he possesses is unusual length which he uses to plug up the middle. Remind of you anyone who recently played for the Wizards?

Posted by: Samson151 | March 18, 2010 3:20 PM | Report abuse

am also not saying pick Cousins over Wall, just saying that unless we get the first pick, doubt wall is available, but who knows. 6 games possibly to figure out if wall & cousins are for real. 6 games possibly that one of them gets injured.

If you have the number one pick this year, you pick wall and trade him to the #2 or 3 team for their pick and their best guard. Depending on who that is!

Whatever you do...do not trade Blatche. Not because he is a definite all -star (although he is playing like one now), but because he is what constitutes a veteran player on this team and because he is so durn cheap. He is probably the best value in the NBA not on a rookie contract.

Posted by: Blurred | March 18, 2010 2:50 PM | Report abuse

It sounds good, i will pass wall to get cousins or favours and an experianced PG.
what about davin Harris? I think he is the only good PG from all lotery teams except rose who could be looked.
I do not agree sending AB to go up in the lotery, if i say it is okay to send JM to go down in lotery i might be right but for some reason we are giving JM a value that he might not achieve in the coming 4-5 years.

Posted by: gtefferra | March 18, 2010 3:28 PM | Report abuse

Basketball is a team game and there are 5 players on the court at the same time and unless you want to play 5 big men and have no one control the ball that's great.
BF78

As usual, you miss the point. We aren't building a team to win a championship next year. We are so far from being a pl;ayoff contender, much less a championship that we need to get solid players at EVERY position and 2 players at some.

I am saying loadup on bigs this year, see who pans out and trade for what we need down the road.

I also am using foresight in understanding that a lot of good guards are going to be available through free agency NEXT summer and more will be available in trades over the next 18-30 months.

Plus, i am not saying you play all those big men at the same time, NOR have I said don't get a pg or a sg. I just said DRAFT BIG AND BUY SMALL.

You are such a one track moron.

Plus, only 2 weeks ago you were talking about what a pieces of junk JM and AB were. So now you are saying they can't be replaced?

Get your story straight and find a blog with other folks who never watch the games.

Posted by: Blurred | March 18, 2010 3:28 PM | Report abuse

What Cousins lacks is lateral quickness. What he possesses is unusual length which he uses to plug up the middle. Remind of you anyone who recently played for the Wizards?

Posted by: Samson151 | March 18, 2010 3:20 PM | Report abuse

Except Cousins is also described as having "soft hands" and has a strength that haywood might have dreamt of, but only while he was napping in the weight room.

Posted by: Blurred | March 18, 2010 3:30 PM | Report abuse

i love the best/worst for Cousins:

best- a taller Al Jefferson
worst- Derrick Coleman on his worst day

what a crapshoot!

Posted by: divi3 | March 18, 2010 3:35 PM | Report abuse

"Wasn't that the year the T-Wolves won 50 games and ended up 3rd in the western conference but lost in the 1st round 3-0?"

That was the year they won 50 games and got a #3 playoff seed but, because of quirks in how the divisional winners were seeded, ended up with a first round matchup against a Dallas Mavericks team that won 57 games, a matchup they predictably lost.

Posted by: kalo_rama | March 18, 2010 3:38 PM | Report abuse

Divi- good point ^^^^^

I still say DC on his worst day has better trade value in 2-3 years than Adam morrison does.

Posted by: Blurred | March 18, 2010 3:40 PM | Report abuse

Meant I WILL say rather than I STILL say.

Hey- and I am 3-0 on my NCAA pool so far

Posted by: Blurred | March 18, 2010 3:42 PM | Report abuse

agreed, only a dang fool would have picked Morrison 3rd.

the draft profiles are almost comedic, just as one says Cousins lacks lateral quickness, another writes:

"Cousins has very impressive lateral quickness, so he will be a better defender than both Al Jefferson and Eddy Curry"

Posted by: divi3 | March 18, 2010 3:45 PM | Report abuse

Actually, upon further review, . . .

That was the year the T'Wolves won 50 games and entered the playoffs as a 5th seed, not a 3rd seed, and lost to the 4th seeded Mavericks, who won 57 games.

http://www.nba.com/timberwolves/history/recap_0102.html

Posted by: kalo_rama | March 18, 2010 3:47 PM | Report abuse

I gueess we will have to watch some games and see for our selves

Love to see KY & Kansas in a final and watch Cousins and Aldritch match up. Since they seemingly would be playing for draft position, it could be a great battle.

Posted by: Blurred | March 18, 2010 3:54 PM | Report abuse

And Divi - glad we are talking about our FUTURE picks, rather than a playoff series 10 years ago.

Posted by: Blurred | March 18, 2010 3:55 PM | Report abuse

Flip's postseason record speaks for itself, it's kinda shoddy given the teams he had.

But we are so far removed from being a 50+ win team losing to a lower seed....wouldnt seem to be an area of pressing concern right now

Posted by: divi3 | March 18, 2010 3:59 PM | Report abuse

i had already said that could work too. The point here is not who is your starter at what position. My argument is that with 3-4 or 5 GOOD big men, you have far more options than with 4 or 5 good pgs

You can always trade a mediocre big man for a good guard.

Posted by: Blurred

In general, I don't disagree that much, my contention was mainly with trying to switch AB to SF just to get all 3 on the court for no good reason.

But as I said before, the flaw in your theory, especially at the top of the draft is that because teams value bigs, everyone tends to project too much value to big men based just on potential and size. Which is why Sam Bowie goes ahead of Michael Jordan and Darko Milicic ahead of Dwayne Wade and guys like Mahmoud Saer Sene get drafted in the first round with very limited basketball skills.

So because the Wiz aren't really set at any position (even if we're 100% sold on AB, we can always use depth) I think they should look at all of the guys who will be available to them and find the guy they think will be the best player, regardless of position. If they want to take a chance on a big with potential at the end of the first, like Dexter Pitman from Texas (a bit of a reach at the end of the first at the moment), that makes total sense to me. But given where they are I don't think they should draft a big high over another guy just on the theory that he might be better trade bait if it doesn't work out.

Posted by: ts35 | March 18, 2010 4:05 PM | Report abuse

Anyway...I might pay attention to this dank team on mondays, tuesdays and Wednesdays for the next couple weeks, but there is far more interesting - and competitive - ball to be watching. Hopefully Gee and McGee will continue to show us some good stuff, Blaqtche stays healthy and maybe Livngston has a surprise comeback.

Oh and Arenas keeps his mouth shut and his guns at home.

Just got the new Esquire in the mail yesterday. Looking forward to reading it tonight.

And for you, Glawrence - GO SPIDERS!

Posted by: Blurred | March 18, 2010 4:05 PM | Report abuse

As usual, you miss the point. We aren't building a team to win a championship next year. We are so far from being a playoff contender, much less a championship that we need to get solid players at EVERY position and 2 players at some.

I didn’t say to try and build a championship team for next year! I like the way OKC has built their team through the draft and they drafted Westbrook so they would have a young pg that would grow with the other players!

I am saying loadup on bigs this year, see who pans out and trade for what we need down the road.

What did the Wizards get for BTH and AJ? Al Thornton?

I also am using foresight in understanding that a lot of good guards are going to be available through free agency NEXT summer and more will be available in trades over the next 18-30 months.

Using foresight would be drafting the best player that fits the Wizards needs not just the best player on the board hoping they can trade him later for a player they really do need.

Plus, i am not saying you play all those big men at the same time, NOR have I said don't get a pg or a sg. I just said DRAFT BIG AND BUY SMALL.

Or draft small and Buy big?

You are such a one track moron.
Plus, only 2 weeks ago you were talking about what a pieces of junk JM and AB were. So now you are saying they can't be replaced?

I wrote if the Wizards have decided to build around AB, JM and AT then I like drafting a sg and pg so they would have 5 young player who could grow together.

Get your story straight and find a blog with other folks who never watch the games.

Just because a person watches a game doesn’t mean they understand it? My wife will watch a game and use to go with me when I had season tickets but she is like some of the people on here who just don’t grasps what it takes to build a winning team.

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | March 18, 2010 4:09 PM | Report abuse

Ferget the spiders, how's about GO MONARCHS!

Posted by: ts35 | March 18, 2010 4:10 PM | Report abuse

"Flip's postseason record speaks for itself, it's kinda shoddy given the teams he had."

Untrue on a couple of fronts.

First, he coached in a bear of a conference, where a 50 win season only got you a 5th seed. In all but one of his playoff runs with Minnesota, they were the lower seed in the first round. The lower seeds are supposed to lose. That's why it's called an upset if they don't. The one time they got the higher seed, they made it to the conference finals.

Second, aside from that conference finals team, the teams he had weren't particularly good once you got past Garnett. He never had another difference making player still in his prime playing next to Garnett. For most of his time in Minnesota, Garnett was surrounded either by still developing young talent with issues still to be worked out (Marbury), guys with big reps who failed to deliver (Smith), or unspectacular journeymen (take your pick). The 2nd best player on the Wolves for most of Saunders' run was Terrell Brandon, who was constantly hurt and missing big stretches (or all) of seasons. And even when he wasn't hurt, he was usually trying to work himself back from injury. Again, the one time he had a full complement off weapons, they made it to the conference finals.

At worst, the T'Wolves finished exactly where they should have under Saunders. At best, he (and Garnett) may have overachieved some by getting them to the playoffs as much as they did.

Posted by: kalo_rama | March 18, 2010 4:13 PM | Report abuse

just using the Mavs example, they split with Dallas during the season and then were swept aside 0-3 culminating in a blowout loss on their home floor.

in '02-'03 they were the 3rd seed, and lost to the 4th seeded Lakers (split during reg season) 4-2. That series included a 30pt shellacking in pivotal Game5 at Minny with the series tied 2-2.

Flip's postseason record contains an alarming number of blowout losses, and there's not a single series that can be pointed to where anyone thinks his coaching made the difference a la the likes of Larry Brown, Sloan, Pops, etc.

Posted by: divi3 | March 18, 2010 4:28 PM | Report abuse

SPIDERS - GAELS locked in a 36-36 halftime tie. These guys are tough.

Posted by: glawrence007 | March 18, 2010 4:44 PM | Report abuse

Saying a coach is not as good as Larry Brown, Jerry Sloan, or Greg Popovich is not the same as saying he sucks.

And Kal has a valid point, especially in Flip's time with the T-Wolves. His T-Wolf teams never had an overabundance of talent, so you could argue the fact that those teams were competitive at all was a mark of his ability as a coach. Pretty sure he was coaching there when they were still dealing with the borderline death penalty from the Joe Smith sweetheart deal. As I recall the penalty was a big fine and 5 first round picks.

Posted by: ts35 | March 18, 2010 4:56 PM | Report abuse

Saying a coach's postseason record is "kinda shoddy", which is what I said, is not the same as saying he sucks either.

Posted by: divi3 | March 18, 2010 5:17 PM | Report abuse

"just using the Mavs example, they split with Dallas during the season and then were swept aside 0-3 culminating in a blowout loss on their home floor."

So? What, exactly, is that supposed to be an example of? The year the Celtics won the title, didn't the Wiz beat them a couple of times? Do you really think the Wizards would have done anything but get crushed if they'd faced the Celtics in the playoffs that year? Regular season games are not a reliable predictor of postseason results and never have been.

"in '02-'03 they were the 3rd seed, and lost to the 4th seeded Lakers (split during reg season) 4-2. That series included a 30pt shellacking in pivotal Game5 at Minny with the series tied 2-2."

Again, so? Some actual facts to go with the numbers skimming: (A) The Wolves actually finished 4th in 02-03; the Lakers were 5th. (B) The Lakers finished only 1 game behind the Wolves in the win column, 50 to 51; (B) The only reason L.A. finished as low as 5th was because Shaq missed about 20 games because of injury. If he'd been healthy all season they'd have easily finished ahead of the Wolves in the standings (C) The Lakers were two time defending champions and, as such, understood that getting to the playoffs healthy was more important than padding than wearing guys out to pad their regular season victory total.

The whole truth is that the T'Wolves lost to a multiple title-holding Lakers team with a healthy Shaq and Kobe. Don't even pretend like that outcome is in any way a surprise.

Posted by: kalo_rama | March 18, 2010 5:24 PM | Report abuse

It's also relevant to point out that Larry Brown's pro rep was very much the same until he finally won a championship in his 28th year of coaching.

Plus, and this may also have been pointed out, taking a coach who made the postseason every year in his career except for one (prior to this year) and most of it in the Western Conference which has been dominant over that same span with the Duncan's Spurs, Kobe's Lakers, the Webber Kings, and down the line, strikes me a bit as nit-picking, especially when his teams were demonstrably less talented.

Posted by: ts35 | March 18, 2010 5:28 PM | Report abuse

My apologies. I was wrong.

The Lakers were actually the 3-time defending champions in 02-03, not 2-time.

My bad.

Posted by: kalo_rama | March 18, 2010 5:28 PM | Report abuse

Minnesota made two major mistakes. The stupid "contract in the drawer" for Smith that cost them a mess of draft picks, and overpaying Garnett so badly they couldn't sqeeze another big name under the cap.

As Kalorama said Flip/Garnett may have over achieved to get them as far as they did.

I like McGee, but he's not a banger, and I don't think he's going to be anytime soon. In this league the way it's ref'ed today C & PG are positions 1 and 2 to fill. Picking number one Wall seems to be the guy that you have to go with.

After that I'm not sure who I'd pick. But this team is getting beat up down low night after night. They need help on the boards,I like Favors a lot to be a guy that can help them in the blocks. Maybe it's just because I've seen him more because he plays in the ACC. The kid really rebounds, he's long, and he plays D, and every coach that's ever had him calls him a class act and a hard worker.

And he's built really solid, 6'10" and in the 240-250 range at 18 with no baby fat. And really nice hops, long arms, and good defensive timing. Potential to be a really good pick and roll guy on both ends of the floor.

Alderidge, skinny? That's funny, he might be a lot of other things, but skinny sure isn't one of them.

I'd go Wall, or go big.
GM

Posted by: flohrtv | March 18, 2010 5:39 PM | Report abuse

No idea why you bring up the Celtics, but if you insist: Did the Mavs get to the Finals that year? Or did they lose 4-1 in the next round? Did that Celtics team sweep the postseason? Or did they get pushed to 7 games by the 8th seed? Then 7 games in the 2nd round as well. That's proof the Wizards couldnt have done anything but "get crushed"?

pretty weak proof.

So is pointing to Flip always losing to a higher seed as evidence of his coaching acumen, then instantly waffling "but it's the Lakers" when educated the facts are contrary.

Posted by: divi3 | March 18, 2010 5:44 PM | Report abuse

For reference, and example of the TW's roster during his tenure

'02 / '03
Terrell Brandon G
Kevin Garnett F
Kendall Gill G
Troy Hudson G
Marc Jackson C
Felipe Lopez G-F
Rasho Nesterovic C
Anthony Peeler G
Igor Rakocevic G
Reggie Slater F
Joe Smith F
Rod Strickland G
Wally Szczerbiak G-F
Gary Trent F (The Shaq of the MAC!)
Mike Wilks G
Loren Woods C

When your #2 player is Wally Szczberiak (i.e. Mike Miller, Sr) small wonder you might have troubles in the playoffs

Posted by: ts35 | March 18, 2010 5:56 PM | Report abuse

"As Kalorama said Flip/Garnett may have over achieved to get them as far as they did."

Losing in the 1st round 7 straight years and winning a total of 7 postseason games in the process (22 losses) is an interesting definition of overachieving

Posted by: divi3 | March 18, 2010 6:01 PM | Report abuse

how could you forget Googs!

Posted by: divi3 | March 18, 2010 6:04 PM | Report abuse

Lakers roster for '02 / '03

8 Kobe Bryant G
2 Derek Fisher G
17 Rick Fox F-G 6
3 Devean George G-F 6-8
5 Robert Horry F 6-9 220
35 Mark Madsen F 6-9 240
14 Stanislav Medvedenko F
30 Tracy Murray F 6-7 225
34 Shaquille O'Neal C 7-1
12 Jannero Pargo G 6-1 175
21 Kareem Rush G 6-6 215
0 Soumaila Samake C 7-0
20 Brian Shaw G 6-6 190
52 Samaki Walker F 6-9 240

Mavs '02 / '03

9 Tariq Abdul-Wahad
11 Raja Bell G
44 Shawn Bradley C
42 Evan Eschmeyer
4 Michael Finley G-F
7 Adrian Griffin G-F
21 Adam Harrington G
6 Avery Johnson G 5-10
54 Popeye Jones F
45 Raef LaFrentz F-C
14 Eduardo Najera F
13 Steve Nash G
41 Dirk Nowitzki F
17 Antoine Rigaudeau G
30 Mark Strickland F
31 Nick Van Exel G
43 Walt Williams

Posted by: ts35 | March 18, 2010 6:13 PM | Report abuse

how could you forget Googs!

Posted by: divi3

If you're referring to my T-Wolves roster for 02 / 03, Googs was already with Phoenix.

Posted by: ts35 | March 18, 2010 6:15 PM | Report abuse

I'd go Wall, or go big.
GM

Posted by: flohrtv | March 18, 2010 5:39 PM | Report abuse

Sorry, but I personally feel if you were firmly in the Thabeet camp last year you get no vote for this draft. Just playing of course but really what were some of you folks thinking last year?...

Posted by: The_Shadow_Knows | March 18, 2010 6:24 PM | Report abuse

I'd go Wall, or go big.
GM

Posted by: flohrtv | March 18, 2010 5:39 PM | Report abuse

Sorry, but I personally feel if you were firmly in the Thabeet camp last year you get no vote for this draft. Just playing of course but really what were some of you folks thinking last year?...

Posted by: The_Shadow_Knows

That if we're not going to be competitve in the NBA, we might as well win the D-League?

Posted by: ts35 | March 18, 2010 6:26 PM | Report abuse

almost spit my soda....thanks for clearing that up ts.

Posted by: The_Shadow_Knows | March 18, 2010 6:27 PM | Report abuse

Oh Niblets, the wrong team won. Maybe the best team, but still, the wrong one.

Posted by: glawrence007 | March 18, 2010 6:33 PM | Report abuse

SHADOW:

".....what were some of you folks thinking last year?..."

"Sorry, but I personally feel if you were firmly in the Thabeet camp last year you get no vote for this draft."

Not............THINKING, so I'm out.

Posted by: glawrence007 | March 18, 2010 6:38 PM | Report abuse

As usual, stats fail to tell the whole truth.

If you really look at Billups' career, you'll see that his last season in Minnesota was the breakout (to that point in his career) that garnered him attention on the FA market and landed him a long-term deal in Detroit.

Posted by: kalo_rama
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kalo, do you really think by ALWAYS going against stats would make you appear to be an expert?

If you REALLY know Billups' career (which I doubt), you will know that the contract he signed with Detroit in 2002 as a 6 yr pro was 33 mil for 6 yrs (a little over 5 mil per yr). Let's put things into perspective, the contract Arenas signed in 2003 was 6 yr for 64 mil, more than twice that of Chaucny's, and Arenas was only a 2 yr pro then.

Trying to bring up the Chauncey's 5 mil per yr contract as the "proof" that he had already "blossomed" in 2002? Obviously, we are talking about different levels of "blossoming" (yeah he might have "improved," but that is far from what I was talking about); and you bar is quite low, I must add.

Posted by: sagaliba | March 18, 2010 6:40 PM | Report abuse

glawrence007,
LOL...I was pretty sure Lebradford Smith was going to become a guard of note in the league, was not distraught when Kenny Green was initially drafted, was 100% confident John Williams (pre-knee injury) would be the most versatile power forward for a decade to follow. So...perfectly flawed track record here as well.

We are probably safe though, I have yet to receive a call from the Wizards asking my opinion.

Posted by: The_Shadow_Knows | March 18, 2010 8:14 PM | Report abuse

"Losing in the 1st round 7 straight years and winning a total of 7 postseason games in the process (22 losses) is an interesting definition of overachievingPosted by: divi3"

Why? for this incarnation of the Wizards, it would be a miracle.

Posted by: Samson151 | March 18, 2010 10:04 PM | Report abuse

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