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Wizards get rematch against the Bucks

Morning brew

After absorbing a beatdown in Milwaukee, the Wizards hope to get payback when they welcome the Bucks to Washington on Friday to complete the home-and-home series. Former Wizard Jerry Stackhouse is back in the NBA with the Bucks after missing the first two months of the season, and he had some interesting comments about his former teammates Gilbert Arenas and Josh Howard. He also said that "tough things" happen to players when they go to Washington, but wasn't ready to call it a curse.

Mike James received his buyout with the Wizards on Monday, but he still has a lot to say about his difficult final season in Washington, in which he only played four games. In an interview with Hoopshype.com, James said Coach Flip Saunders "didn't get along with me." He added that he "never" endured a season with more drama that this season with the Wizards.

Over at CSNWashington, Mike Jones looks into how the Wizards continue to wait on Nick Young to step up following the massive roster overhaul. Kyle Weidie of Truth About It looks into Wednesday's loss to Milwaukee with another screen shot post.

The Bucks have won seven of their past eight games, and Charles Gardner of the Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel writes that it is no coincidence that the hot streak began when the Bucks acquired the quiet and calming John Salmons from Chicago at the trade deadline. And, John Hollinger compiles an In-Season All-Improved Team that includes Milwaukee center Andrew Bogut and . . . Andray Blatche. Hollinger says that Blatche is "finally cashing in on his considerable potential."

Also, in other news, former Wizard-in-paper-only Zydrunas Ilgauskas ended a week of suspense (not really) when he made the difficult decision (again, not really) to return Cleveland Cavaliers. Michael Finley also decided to join the AARP-friendly Boston Celtics after agreeing to a buyout with San Antonio earlier this week.

There were three games last night, with Memphis getting a surprise win over Chicago, and Utah staging a stunning comeback in Phoenix. But the game of the night was in Miami, where the Heat defeated the Los Angeles Lakers 114-111 in overtime. The full rundown can be found in the Daily Zap.


By Michael Lee  |  March 5, 2010; 10:18 AM ET
 
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Comments

I have really been impressed with the Bucks and S. Skiles and how they always play defense, a team of the future.

It will be interesting to see how the Wiz can (if they can) compete better than they did the other night.

Blatche finished with decent numbers but was held in check.

Javale started off well sort of fell off in the 2nd half.

Will N. Young find his place on this roster or is he doomed to be a bust, I am hoping for the former.

.......and A. Thornton had his worst performance since becoming a Wizard.

Once again I am excited with anticipation at seeing the new, young Wizards.

Posted by: zxhoya | March 5, 2010 11:24 AM | Report abuse

Great sign if Javale steps up to the Bogut challenge again, as you know Bogut will look to produce tonight after being held off the glass by JM in the last game.

Would like to see AB go a little AJ and take some unconscious shots, maybe get him to the line more. He's going to have to force it at times if he wants the calls.

Al Thornton has to take more than 4 shots.

Miller has to take more than 3.

Posted by: divi3 | March 5, 2010 11:31 AM | Report abuse

"He (Mike James) added that he "never" endured a season with more drama than this season with the Wizards."

To be filed under, "Stop The Presses" ...

Posted by: Bellman | March 5, 2010 11:32 AM | Report abuse

I am tired of the back and forth regarding MM and NY. Neither has played exceptionally well of late. Is it because Miller needs to be ona better team? Because Nick's minutes are down? Because Miller is babysitting? Because Nick is a baby?

My feeling is, get someone who will play well, regardless of these external factors.

If Nick needs 25 minutes to get in a rythym
what do you do whuile he plays half-arsed defense and goes 1-8?

If Miller needs better vet players around him, then he isn't really helping us out.

Whatever. Play them a bunch and in different combinations and see if either of them should be here next year.

Posted by: Blurred | March 5, 2010 11:34 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: Blurred | March 5, 2010 11:34 AM

the more i see of miller and young the more i wish josh howard a speedy recovery.

Posted by: divi3 | March 5, 2010 11:37 AM | Report abuse

If Nick needs 25 minutes to get in a rythym
what do you do whuile he plays half-arsed defense and goes 1-8?

Meant what ddo you do when he is ineffective on D and goes 1-8 while the other team gets a 12 pt lead in his first 18 minutes?

Posted by: Blurred | March 5, 2010 11:37 AM | Report abuse

http://www.nba.com/2010/news/features/03/04/fiveonrise.week19/index.html

Rick Carlisle praises brendan for his D. Said hes better offensive game than dampier. And dwight howard himself said is one of the best defensive centers in the league.

So why did some of the wizards fans here call him brenda, or brick hands or worse than Etan.

I bet divi3 is gonna say something like "blah blah blah contract year and what do those guys know they are only a coach and the reigning defensive player of the year"

Posted by: jefferu | March 5, 2010 11:52 AM | Report abuse

If we cannot solve Milwakee's pressing defense, we are going to loose again.

Posted by: sagaliba | March 5, 2010 12:06 PM | Report abuse

jefferu - The problem is no one was saying that when he was here.

It doesn't matter how good he is Dallas...and I will grant you he is playing his ass off...but he spent 5 years in DC splitting time with the likes Etan Thomis, Calvin Booth, Kwame Brown and Darius Songaila.

Then he was mediocre for a year as the main center when Etan was out all season. Then he was injured for a year. Then he came back and we went like 16-30 with him in the linueup.

None of that adds up to him having much of a positive impact here. We won a total of one playoff series with him on our team and I am not sure how he played in that.

Maybe he wins a ring this year with the mavs, but we don't win any extra games this year with him and we don't have a much better chance of signing him for next year and if we did sign him for next year, he doesn't get us much further toward playoof success and if he stays on the team this year, we don't develop or assess any young talent.

Put succinctly, Haywood did not provide success in the past and would not provide success for us in the future.

So who cares how well he is playing for a team I am not rooting for?

Posted by: Blurred | March 5, 2010 12:06 PM | Report abuse

"So why did some of the wizards fans here call him brenda, or brick hands or worse than Etan."

Don't feel bad, we do that to everybody. This is Washington.

Posted by: Samson151 | March 5, 2010 12:07 PM | Report abuse

I bet divi3 is gonna say something like "blah blah blah contract year and what do those guys know they are only a coach and the reigning defensive player of the year"

Posted by: jefferu

actually i'm going to say the same thing i did before, he's the perfect fit for the Mavs and good for him. He replaces an older version of himself, and let's them continue to be the jump shooting team they always have been. The one that loses in the postseason and will again this year.

BTH played here 9yrs, he is what he is and we've seen it. Perhaps you wanted the org to continue forward with an offensively inept C who cant receieve or deliver passes....i'm much happier watching mcgee try and find his game, as the upside is well beyond what haywood is.

Posted by: divi3 | March 5, 2010 12:13 PM | Report abuse

btw, dirk and caron are taking 35-40 Js between them every night. Live by the J, die by the J (especially CBs J!)

Posted by: divi3 | March 5, 2010 12:15 PM | Report abuse

"So why did some of the wizards fans here call him brenda, or brick hands or worse than Etan."

because he has 3x more TOs than assists ("brick hands"), never produced in the 4th quarter("brenda"), and couldnt decisively beat the like of Ruffin, Popeye, Jahidi ("worse than etan")

Posted by: divi3 | March 5, 2010 12:19 PM | Report abuse

Former Wizard Jerry Stackhouse said that "tough things" happen to players when they go to Washington, but wasn't ready to call it a curse.

I heard he refused to get on the team plane?

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | March 5, 2010 12:19 PM | Report abuse

Actually, the wizard fans who don't get on this blog to be a pain in the ass to everyone else, admit that Brendan had improved. But, until he had improved, he was soft, a weak rebounder, and was even with Etan at best. He showed that he improved his strength, and offense. His shot-blocking was always decent but he got stronger as a post-up defender.

Posted by: G-Man11 | March 5, 2010 12:24 PM | Report abuse

looking forward to watching some ball tonight...it ain't the best, but it is basketball. MM shoot, foye dribble penetrate and look for the pass out. JaVale, just play, fun watching you grow and learn, thornton, do you, and last but not least, blatch, continue down the road you are on, don't look back.

Posted by: joerutgens72 | March 5, 2010 12:33 PM | Report abuse

G-Man11

You have to admit the Wizards aren't the greatest organization when it comes to player development?

I think ETaps consulted kal on how to develop players;

Step 1 they should do it on their own

Step 2 they don’t need any playing time they should do it in practice

Step 3 if they don’t improve compare them to Larry Bird, MJ, Magic who all had god given talent

Step 4 when all else fails blame it on Abe

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | March 5, 2010 12:36 PM | Report abuse

G-Man11

You have to admit the Wizards aren't the greatest organization when it comes to player development?

Posted by: bulletsfan78

Yes, I couldn't agree more, but Haywood's improvement should be credited to Haywood, not the organization, but some bloggers still insist on calling him Brenda, and for what? He may not be a superstar, but he is an over-achiever. I mean he went from a below-average center with a weak back, who appeared to be shooting with his eyes closed to a respectable player. But they will call him Brenda forever. Some people just don't know better.

Posted by: G-Man11 | March 5, 2010 12:59 PM | Report abuse

Yes, I couldn't agree more, but Haywood's improvement should be credited to Haywood, not the organization, but some bloggers still insist on calling him Brenda, and for what? He may not be a superstar, but he is an over-achiever. I mean he went from a below-average center with a weak back, who appeared to be shooting with his eyes closed to a respectable player. But they will call him Brenda forever. Some people just don't know better.

Posted by: G-Man11 | March 5, 2010 12:59 PM | Report abuse


A 7 fter that gets stripped by pg on rebounds is not an overachiever.

Actually, that was always my biggest complaint. Not that he was not able to be a very good or great center, but that he would have one good game and then go back to mediocrity for a month. Then bemoan his time share status with Etan.

I always wanted him to play like he is know and thought he had the ability to do so. He just didn't while he was here and when we needed him to.

Posted by: Blurred | March 5, 2010 1:03 PM | Report abuse

Step 4 when all else fails blame it on Abe

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | March 5, 2010 12:36 PM | Report abuse

I thought that was your job.

Posted by: Blurred | March 5, 2010 1:04 PM | Report abuse

Looking forward to seeing the Wizards deliver the beatdown to the Bucks tonight at the PhoneBooth.

Singleton, Blatche, McGee and Thornton need to turn the game into a track meet. And maybe, MAYBE, Flip Saunders will make the smart substitutions at crunch time.

Posted by: musicmanjr | March 5, 2010 1:08 PM | Report abuse

Blurred, the universal definition for "overachiever" is when a person achieves more than what he has been given. Coming out of college, Brendan was a no-skilled, non-athletic bum with poor hands. Period. He still is non-athletic, but he improved his free throw shooting, his interior scoring(even if he still looks clumsy) and rebounds better. He is a classic over-achiever.

Posted by: G-Man11 | March 5, 2010 1:09 PM | Report abuse

Step 4 when all else fails blame it on Abe

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | March 5, 2010 12:36 PM | Report abuse

I thought that was your job.

Posted by: Blurred | March 5, 2010 1:04 PM | Report abuse

melodious_thunk would tell you all of Ernie's bad trades, free agents signing and draft pick were because Abe told him to make those deals.

Yes, I would tell you Abe was a part of the problem since the big man coach has been wes unseld jr and what has he ever done to prove he could teach anyone how to be a better big man in the NBA?

I have always stated I wanted the Wizards to go out and sign a good big man coach but the Wizards organization doesn't believe they need a good inside center.

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | March 5, 2010 1:23 PM | Report abuse

"So why did some of the wizards fans here call him brenda, or brick hands or worse than Etan."

because he has 3x more TOs than assists ("brick hands"), never produced in the 4th quarter("brenda"), and couldnt decisively beat the like of Ruffin, Popeye, Jahidi ("worse than etan")

Posted by: divi3

It does amuse me that for players divi likes, like Blatche, the fact that he couldn't get more playing time is the coach's fault, but for Haywood, he couldn't beat other guys out. ;-)

The truth jefferu is that Haywood played subpar baseketball and gave subpar effort for 6 of his 9 years here, and was whiny about not seeing the court. Guys like Etan and Popeye and whoever always played harder than he did, even though he was bigger and more physically gifted. I thought 2 years ago he finally showed the signs of being a mature vet who was doing the things he could do (rebounding, defense) and not trying to be something he wasn't, then he got injured, but came back this year with the same consistency.

He has always been limited on offense, which is kind of inexplicable, but it's something most of us could deal with given his solid defense and rebounding. He just wasn't a good fit for where the Wiz were before the trade. And it was probably time to just throw McGee out there and see what he has. McGee will certainly produce better stats than Haywood. The question will be whether he ever develops into a true defensive anchor. Where Haywood doesn't get enough credit, except maybe now on more of a proven team is for the subtle defensive things he did as part of the team defensive concept. McGee is still struggling with guarding just his man. But he's young still and definitely full of promise.

Posted by: ts35 | March 5, 2010 1:25 PM | Report abuse

Okay, I've got a couple of comments. First: Mike James. Good riddance to him. Read that interview and you'd think he was the second coming of Michael Jordan. One thing you can say about him is that he has a very high opinion of himself. But, I don't recall seeing him be a great player.

My other comment is about Haywood. I first started seeing real improvement in him when Patrick Ewing was an assistant coach. Brendan started really putting himself together as a center at that point. Then - bang - Eddie Jordan was brought in and Ewing was let go and progress stopped. And, for whatever reason, EJ thought the sun rose and set out of Etan's underarms! The battle for minutes under EJ really undermined the progress Haywood had started to make. I for one was not sorry to see EJ go - his substitution patterns (not that he really had any) drove me NUTS! He had a really bad habit of pulling the guy who just got hot and liked having a complete 1st string and complete 2nd string and never the twain to meet.

Last comment - would someone please get in Earl Boykins' face and tell him to stop the darned dribbling. If I see him turn his back on an open shooter one more time so he can dribble the clock down to 5 seconds so he's the only one able to shoot, I'm going to throw something at my TV!!!! Puhleeeeze, do not re-sign that man for next year!

Posted by: juliagraffam | March 5, 2010 1:32 PM | Report abuse

I have always stated I wanted the Wizards to go out and sign a good big man coach

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | March 5, 2010 1:23 PM | Report abuse

We agree here.

And well stated ts35...I probably tend too much to hyperbole and picking out the worst aspects. You summed up my feelings perfectly.

Posted by: Blurred | March 5, 2010 1:41 PM | Report abuse

I referred to Haywood as Brenda occasionally for years because on many nights he deserved it, then he had his breakout season (if you will) and many joked about him earning the "n". Didnt call him Brenda anymore.

This season I started tracking his 4th quarter production and deemed the "n" revoked, because he truly, TRULY stunk in the last 10mins of games this year.

I'm not sure why people still get worked up over him now that he's gone. AJ is starting for the best team in the league, but none of his supporters here seem to care or bring it up. Why? Cause just like Haywood he didnt win here and now he's gone.

At the end of the day BTH/AJ/CB were all solid yet lousy in their own ways and their results proved it. I for one am glad the AB/JM era has dawned! Or might be dawning or something

Posted by: divi3 | March 5, 2010 1:48 PM | Report abuse

My only problem with the '4th Qtr Production' argument is that it only deals with stats which also tend to lean towards offensive production. So if BTH fought on the block so that Dwight Howard couldn't get his ideal post position, that wouldn't show up. If he boxed out Howard so that someone else could get a rebound, that wouldn't show up. If he closed of a driving lane to the hoop, that wouldn't show up. If he altered a shot, that wouldn't show up. If he set a good pick that set up someone else for a score, that wouldn't show up.

Point being that for some players, there is more to the measure of their value than just stats, especially when it comes to trying to quantify defense.

I don't think Haywood is a stud or anything, and he was certainly inept on offense (though he was great on the o-boards), but I just try to give him credit where credit is due.

Posted by: ts35 | March 5, 2010 2:07 PM | Report abuse

I thought the teams best players were supposed to carry the team in the 4th quarter. Even with Haywood's improvement, I never considered him a go-to guy, especially down the stretch. If he is in the game in the 4th, I would expect him to be active though his scoring wouldn't be there. Be realistic.

Posted by: G-Man11 | March 5, 2010 2:07 PM | Report abuse

BH was traded since the team is going to a rebuilding process.EG clearly understand the motive of BH when he refuse to sign 35 million for 4 seasons and did the right thing to involve him in a trade to unload a bad contract from DS and to depart from CB.At this juncture we have to stop going back on what has been done so far, we need to talk on what we have now,hopefully JM will not take 9 seasons to be where BH is and we will be a good team.

Posted by: gtefferra | March 5, 2010 2:12 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Blurred | March 5, 2010 11:34 AM | Report abuse

Hey blurred. Liked your 11:34 take on MM and NY - a lot. My sentiments exactly.

BTW, got to go all the way and take the CAA baby. GO RAMS.

Going to my cousin VINNIE's in ATLANTIC CITY for some A10 b-ball next week.

Posted by: glawrence007 | March 5, 2010 2:15 PM | Report abuse

JaVale is behind Brendan defensively and at the same points in there careers. I won't compare them regarding instincts but it appears that JaVale barely has a clue for a player with high-level ball-playing parents. Right now, therer is really no competition at the center position like Brendan had with Etan so JaVale should get the bulk of the minutes.

He is still at least 2 years away.

Posted by: G-Man11 | March 5, 2010 2:17 PM | Report abuse

I said production, not scoring. I posted more than a few crunch time lines on this blog that read:

0pts, 0-0fg, 0-0ft, 0 rebs, 0 blks, 0 assists

quite the opposite of "active."

and we all watch a lot of bball obviously, so it's generally safe to assume regular posters understand there are things the stat sheet dont show.

Posted by: divi3 | March 5, 2010 2:18 PM | Report abuse

I was impressed by the Bucks defense as well last game. They stayed after us for four quarters. One weird thing (that was apparent during the Buck's game and many others) is Boykins is very susceptible to pressure defense. For a very small guy, who you would assume could really handle the ball and blow by people, he's not good at making other players pay for going after him. Brandon Jennings nearly shut him down at times. Foye is slightly better but not great, either. (That's what intrigues me about Livingston. Based on very little so far, you can see he's got the height and court vision to find people--and if you body up on him, he'll make you pay by going to the basket). I think we'll see a lot of that tonight and going forward--when Boykins comes in, the other team goes after him with pressure D starting around the top of the Key and makes him eat up the clock dribbling around, which he tends to do anyway.

Posted by: jweber1 | March 5, 2010 2:21 PM | Report abuse

@juliagraffam: I agree with your assessment of Haywood 100%--in fact you took the words right out of my mouth. My main critique of Eddie Jordan is that he has no idea how to effectively manage people--no clue how to get the most out of his players.

He seems to be obsessed with petty veteran/rookie seniority issues, and was way too willing to put people in the doghouse when they played poorly, rather than coaching them up and getting decent production out of his team. He may be a good X's and O's guy, but his ability to inspire, motivate, or LEAD his players is non-existant.

Don't believe me? Check out the mess he's making in Philly.

Posted by: Plix | March 5, 2010 2:21 PM | Report abuse

".....JM will not take 9 seasons to be where BH is and we will be a good team."

Posted by: gtefferra | March 5, 2010 2:12 PM | Report abuse

No way it takes nine seasons for JaVALE to be a beast in this league unless the WIZARDS curse limits his development of course.

Hey IRENE, let ERNIE sign SINGLETON for G-G-God's sake and have him take over for OBERTO next season.

Start with McGEE, BLATCHE, THORNTON, either YOUNG or FOYE, and ARENAS on the court at tip-off with SINGLETON off the bench, then go from there. Six or seven players, then build out to fourteen. All others are negotiable.

Posted by: glawrence007 | March 5, 2010 2:24 PM | Report abuse

divi3

I agree and understand. What were his minutes in the 4th? I assume he would be averaging 5 4th qtr minutes a game so yes, he should have a couple boards, a block or 2, some alterations, even a couple points. I would never expect him to average an assist though. But I do agree based on minutes.

Posted by: G-Man11 | March 5, 2010 2:25 PM | Report abuse

My only problem with the '4th Qtr Production' argument is that it only deals with stats which also tend to lean towards offensive production. So if BTH fought on the block so that Dwight Howard couldn't get his ideal post position, that wouldn't show up. If he boxed out Howard so that someone else could get a rebound, that wouldn't show up. If he closed of a driving lane to the hoop, that wouldn't show up. If he altered a shot, that wouldn't show up. If he set a good pick that set up someone else for a score, that wouldn't show up.

Point being that for some players, there is more to the measure of their value than just stats, especially when it comes to trying to quantify defense.

I don't think Haywood is a stud or anything, and he was certainly inept on offense (though he was great on the o-boards), but I just try to give him credit where credit is due.

Posted by: ts35 | March 5, 2010 2:07 PM | Report abuse

Thank you, you told us our weakness.
We are interested on numbers,we do not value little things that makes the game a team game.Most of us used to cry when MR came from the bench and energize the team with deflections,screen and so forth.We allways price AJ,GA who gave the defenssive part of basketball to the rest of their teammate and continue to work on the numbers,They both signed huge contract ,apper in all star but did not win.Look their equivalent players in detroit,Bw,RW,RH they where not worried about individual stat ,they won shampionship and then appear in all star.

Posted by: gtefferra | March 5, 2010 2:29 PM | Report abuse

here's one I remember well 'cause i hate losing to the Cs:

BTH enters the game at 6mins left in the 4th, score 84-82. Proceeds to bagel the stat line while the Cs go on a run, we lose. 0pts, 0-0fg, 0-0ft, 0rebs, 0blks

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/playbyplay?gameId=300201027&period=4

Cant pin it solely on BTH, no doubt AJ took 5 bad shots as well, while CB dribbled off his shoe 3x or whatever- but BTH was adding nothing when it counted, so good riddance imo.

I may be wrong, but I do base opinions on my own observations and stats- it aint just hatin!

Posted by: divi3 | March 5, 2010 2:32 PM | Report abuse

Juliagraffam--Why does Boykins dribble so much? There's a simple, unfortunate reason: he is so small, the passing lanes (and shots) that are there for most NBA players aren't there for him. He literally needs to dribble around until he finds a direct, unobstructed gap in the defense to get somebody else the ball. Plus, because of his small size he can't stop dribling for a second or he will be immediately smoothered by the defensive player. If he drives and kicks, the ball out to the perimeter player would go on an upward trajectory, so he has to loft it over people all the time. Hey, it's a marvel he can do what he does and has stayed in the league this long, but he's a change of pace guy who should only see 10-15 minutes a game every once in a while; but we've got him running the show in the last quarter. Not good.

Posted by: jweber1 | March 5, 2010 2:34 PM | Report abuse

The real question is why Ted Leonsis is not the majority owner of the Wizards yet? Until there is no trace of the Pollin family running things, the curse will always be around! I have a stinking feeling that the Pollin family is secretly trying to "underhand" the new ownership bid.

Posted by: JohnWWW | March 5, 2010 2:41 PM | Report abuse

"Why does Boykins dribble so much?"

To get to the other side?

Posted by: Samson151 | March 5, 2010 3:12 PM | Report abuse

"So who cares how well he is playing for a team I am not rooting for?
Posted by: Blurred"

Other people?

Posted by: Samson151 | March 5, 2010 3:14 PM | Report abuse

"Play them a bunch and in different combinations and see if either of them should be here next year.Posted by: Blurred"

We don't have to. We already know the answer.

Posted by: Samson151 | March 5, 2010 3:15 PM | Report abuse

My main critique of Eddie Jordan is that he has no idea how to effectively manage people--no clue how to get the most out of his players.

Posted by: Plix | March 5, 2010 2:21 PM | Report abuse

AJ,CB,GA all became all stars under eddie jordan. Larry Hughes led the league in steals and almost surely woulda been an all star had he not injured his wrist a few weeks before the all star break that year. BTW since eddied jordan left the wizards have not been able to smell the playoffs. I'm not an Eddie fan, i feel like he put guys in his personal doghouse and suffered, at times, on the court because of it. I do think that he was able to get the most out of the big 3 though, he even finished strong one year without Gil down the stretch.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | March 5, 2010 3:19 PM | Report abuse

And yet in the big win against the Magic on Jan 8, he had 4 pts and 5 rbs.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/playbyplay?gameId=300108027&period=4

But again even looking at your example, it looked like it was a crappy game for everyone. But the stats and even the play-by-play recap aren't going to tell the story.

Clearly we're never going to fully agree on this, which is fine. It's not like Haywood was the missing ingredient of a championship puzzle for the Wiz. I wish him well in Dallas but we have our own fish to fry.

Posted by: ts35 | March 5, 2010 3:33 PM | Report abuse

He is still at least 2 years away.

Posted by: G-Man11 | March 5, 2010 2:17 PM | Report abuse

Agreed. And with a new owner and manager, the team is at least three years away. Plenty of time for JM to develop MAX GAME.

Posted by: glawrence007 | March 5, 2010 4:06 PM | Report abuse

"Clearly we're never going to fully agree on this, which is fine. It's not like Haywood was the missing ingredient of a championship puzzle for the Wiz. I wish him well in Dallas but we have our own fish to fry.

Posted by: ts35 | March 5, 2010 3:33 PM"

agreed 100%!

Hopefully the pan sizzles tonight too, I'll be ok with another loss if AB/JM improve on their already solid performances from the previous game. Also want to see Thornton shrug off the bad game and come on strong, would like him to establish himself as a solid starter for next year.

Posted by: divi3 | March 5, 2010 4:20 PM | Report abuse

Hopefully the pan sizzles tonight too, I'll be ok with another loss if AB/JM improve on their already solid performances from the previous game. Also want to see Thornton shrug off the bad game and come on strong, would like him to establish himself as a solid starter for next year.

Posted by: divi3 | March 5, 2010 4:20 PM | Report abuse

I'm beginning to see a bit of chemistry develop between them. Throw in SINGLETON and THORNTON, and maybe the WIZ have a future afterall.

Posted by: glawrence007 | March 5, 2010 4:28 PM | Report abuse

They also need to improve on their overall team defense tonight. The Bucks were getting too many backdoor looks and leak-out fastbreaks.

Posted by: ts35 | March 5, 2010 4:38 PM | Report abuse

Haywood played four years at UNC and finished as the school's all-time leading shot-blocker. JaVale played two years at Nevada. So, technically, he's where Haywood was his senior year in college.

JaVale will be a big-time star if the Wiz give him the court time (and some strength training) over the next several years. He would also be well advised to pay attention to the footwork of the much-vilified Oberto and adopt the tenacity and court-awareness of the recently slighted Miller.

And, yeah, let's see if our big people can kick the ball out to Miller when they're double-teamed. The guy ought to be taking 10 shots a game. He's been open, but ignored.

Posted by: zinger1 | March 5, 2010 5:00 PM | Report abuse

And, yeah, let's see if our big people can kick the ball out to Miller when they're double-teamed. The guy ought to be taking 10 shots a game. He's been open, but ignored.

Posted by: zinger1 | March 5, 2010 5:00 PM | Report abuse

Sounds like GIL, ANTAWN, and CARON have crept back onto the court for the WIZ, but playing inside positions. Generally, big guys put it up. That's what they do at this stage in their development, i.e. BLATCHE and McGEE. Jeeze, they're just beginning to realize there's another big on the floor in the same uniform. Older inside players kick it out. Of course there are exceptions, but I haven't seen many young ones that are.

Posted by: glawrence007 | March 5, 2010 5:09 PM | Report abuse

plus miller gets the kick out pass, when they do kick it out, and instead of shooting if open, he makes another pass to someone who's not as good a shooter. he needs to take the 10 shots. better he have 10 shots and 4 assists, than 4 shots and 8 assists.

Posted by: joerutgens72 | March 5, 2010 5:15 PM | Report abuse

Recently when MM has gotten the kick out pass (since AB is beginning to see double teams), pump fake, take a coupla dribbles, some ill advised pass while in the air. No one has issue with him making the extra pass to get somebody open, but that's not what happens. He ususally passes up the best look at the basket on those possesions. I don't think anybody is slighting MM or raggin on him either. If people are satisfied with MM's production then good for them. I'd like to see more form him just like i'd want to see more from NY. My issue is that we see more MM than NY but the difference in production is incremental.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | March 5, 2010 5:24 PM | Report abuse

My issue is that we see more MM than NY but the difference in production is incremental.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | March 5, 2010 5:24 PM | Report abuse

I'm not seeing this. I'm seeming MM rebound, pass, defend. All I'm seeing out of NY is shooting, sometimes forced shooting.

Posted by: zinger1 | March 5, 2010 5:29 PM | Report abuse

... but I'm seeing too many turnovers from both players.

Posted by: zinger1 | March 5, 2010 5:30 PM | Report abuse

These guys aren't worth the press. Why do we even read about them? Nobody cares.

Posted by: Bean1 | March 5, 2010 6:03 PM | Report abuse

Personal request: Could we please move on from the Haywood, Caron and Jamison debates? Water way under the bridge at this point. Per a previous poster, where our big picture focus should be is on ownership. That's where the big dogs are running and where the Wash Post should be reporting.

Posted by: jweber1 | March 5, 2010 6:11 PM | Report abuse

"One weird thing (that was apparent during the Buck's game and many others) is Boykins is very susceptible to pressure defense. For a very small guy, who you would assume could really handle the ball and blow by people, he's not good at making other players pay for going after him. Brandon Jennings nearly shut him down at times. Foye is slightly better but not great, either."

According to a CSN report on the last Bucks game, the Wizards lost the game due to turnovers caused by the press. The Bucks scored something like 24 points off of turnovers.

Now I realize why the Wizards brought in Livingston.

Posted by: PostSubscriber | March 5, 2010 6:47 PM | Report abuse

"JaVale will be a big-time star if the Wiz give him the court time (and some strength training) over the next several years."

Think so? I'm not certain. Somebody made the comparison back when McGee was a rookie, with Marcus Camby. Marcus being more of a finished product when he came into the league, but similar in physique and potentially in skill set. Of course Camby eventually became a very good NBA center, as he matured physically and in terms of his game. But not a big star.

One thing I've noticed is that McGee needs to shoot some in order to play well. He's not really a pure defensive player, the way Mutombo is. So I don't mind when he puts the ball up, even when it doesn't drop.

Posted by: Samson151 | March 5, 2010 6:56 PM | Report abuse

I'm not seeing this. I'm seeming MM rebound, pass, defend. All I'm seeing out of NY is shooting, sometimes forced shooting.

Posted by: zinger1 | March 5, 2010 5:29 PM | Report abuse

let him play 31 mins per game regardless of production, and see if he can't show you something.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | March 5, 2010 7:01 PM | Report abuse

"Boykins is very susceptible to pressure defense. For a very small guy, who you would assume could really handle the ball and blow by people, he's not good at making other players pay for going after him. Brandon Jennings nearly shut him down at times. Foye is slightly better but not great, either."

TOs were definitely a problem in that game. But two observations. First, Grunfeld allegedly signed Boykins after watching him toast Jennings in a European league game. And Boykins certainly handled Brandon in the late stages of the game the last time the Bucks and the Wiz hooked up. The most recent game was an exception.

Foye is not a 'true' PG, whatever that is, but he's a good passer and ball handler who has an effective outside shot. His weakness is on defense, against quick players. He can't stay in front of them. That's one reason why Stevenson got so much playing time (undeserved, otherwise) this season. He could play pressure defense.

Remember the plan was for Foye to back up Arenas and also play some SG. That role evaporated when the cast of characters changed. It's not Foye's fault, and he's adjusting, but he's not the coach's choice for a primary PG.

Posted by: Samson151 | March 5, 2010 7:04 PM | Report abuse

"AJ,CB,GA all became all stars under eddie jordan. Larry Hughes led the league in steals and almost surely woulda been an all star had he not injured his wrist a few weeks before the all star break that year. BTW since eddied jordan left the wizards have not been able to smell the playoffs. I'm not an Eddie fan, i feel like he put guys in his personal doghouse and suffered, at times, on the court because of it. I do think that he was able to get the most out of the big 3 though, he even finished strong one year without Gil down the stretch."

Hmmm...let's see...a coach with a 44% career winning percentage has 3 all-stars on his roster and they became all-starts bc of him? LMAO..give me a break. GA just signed a 60 million dollar contract bc he was in fact showing signs he was an all-star caliber player. Jamison was a lottery pick who just won the 6th man of the year award and CB had already shown he was a borderline all-star player. So, I don't think EJ made anybody all-stars. And, we have not made the playoffs since he left for many reasons that have nothing to do with coaching - injuries being reason number one.

Posted by: rphilli721 | March 5, 2010 7:17 PM | Report abuse

Has anyone noticed how well the team played when the new guys got here and they played off of instinct. They played well and hard. As soon as Flip started having his practices, the team went back to the same way they played before all the trades. Flip can't coach and he always has issue with the young guys. Heck, we almost traded Blatche before he blossomed simply becuase he would give significant playing time to se what he had; wouldn't let Mcgee play to build off last year; won't use a talented player like Nick, but will play guys on 10 day contracts and guys off the streets first. Please deep six this jerk of a coach.

Posted by: garrybrown | March 6, 2010 10:28 AM | Report abuse

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