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A costly victory?

Al Thornton sat in front of his locker room stall after the season finale, staring at the floor, in a daze. As I approached him, I jokingly asked him if he knew who I was. Thornton smiled and nodded.


Thanks for the three. Kind of. (AP Photo/Haraz N. Ghanbari)

I had to make sure, since Thornton suffered a mild concussion after absorbing an elbow to the nose from Indiana's Brandon Rush while driving early in the fourth quarter. Thornton said that he "blacked out" after the hit, the final blow in a Wizards season filled with mind-numbing moments.

"I'm good though," Thornton said. "Wasn't nothing too serious. That's a good thing."

After Danny Granger missed a 15-footer at the buzzer, the Wizards celebrated a 98-97 victory as if they had just clinched a playoff spot. Nick Young ran and jumped into his exited teammates. Players tossed miniature gold basketballs into the crowd and high-fived fans as they ran toward the locker room.

And perhaps no one felt better than Cedric Jackson, who made the decisive three-pointer with 1:31 remaining. Jackson finished the season with his third different team, on his final 10-day contract, scored all of his career-high eight points in the final 5 ½ minutes. It may have helped that the Pacers had no idea who he was.

"That little guard, I don't even know his name. No. 9, down the stretch, he was pretty good," said Granger, who had to look at the box score to figure out his name.

After the game, Jackson smiled about ending the season on a relatively high note. "Man, that win felt so good," Jackson said.

The victory may have hurt the Wizards' chances of a better spot in the draft lottery. Had the Wizards (26-56) lost to Indiana, they would've been tied with Sacramento for the third-worst record behind Minnesota and New Jersey. The win, coupled with a Golden State victory, meant that the Wizards finished tied for fourth. A coin flip drawing will determine which teams moves into sole possession of the fourth slot. The worst place that the Wizards can finish in the lottery is eighth.

It might not make a difference where the Wizards finished, based on their lottery luck. And, after the game, the Wizards weren't worried about draft position. They were just happy to finish the season with 26 wins - seven more than last season, and one fewer than the number of players that have been on the roster this season. Jackson, of course, was the 27th player.

"It's good to go out with a bang," Thornton said, which is probably a poor turn of a phrase considering all that has happened this season.

But hey, you have to cut the man some slack. He was a little out of it.


LOTTERY STANDINGS
1. New Jersey (12-70) 25 percent
2. Minnesota (15-67) 19.9 percent
3. Sacramento (25-57) 15.6 percent
4. Washington (26-56) 10.4 percent or 10.3 percent
4. Golden State (26-56) 10.4 percent or 10.3 percent

By Michael Lee  |  April 14, 2010; 11:59 PM ET
 
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Comments

It's funny, i started out rooting for the wiz tonight, but by the end when it got close i found myself hoping dunleavy's threes would go in. How come when I root for the wizards they lose and when i root against they win?!?

p.s. dejuain blair had 27 pts 23 rbs tonight. That's right, our second round draft pick last year.

Posted by: bbachrac | April 15, 2010 1:34 AM | Report abuse

Alright Steady Teddy, time to get moving on reshaping this Org. in your image...

Posted by: kahlua87 | April 15, 2010 4:16 AM | Report abuse

On TV they showed Irene Pollin, and her two sons, Robert and Joseph (?). I imagine that the game was quite painful for them, as it probably was the last one they would see as the owners of the team, and it was another marker for the passing of the Abe Pollin era. Irene's face in particular seemed grief stricken. So for them, I'm glad that the team won last night. Abe would have wanted it that way.

There's no question, though, that the win was bad for the franchise, bad for the business.

It is a business, but it is also more than just a business, as this season has shown. It's a traveling circus, it's a fraternity, it's a club for spoiled rich young men who wear diamond stud earrings and drive exotic cars, it's a marathon of physical endurance, it's a union shop, it's a place where there can be unwavering loyalty despite everthing, it's a team, it's the coach, it's over-coached, and it's always a sport being played by professionals. And no, you can't put a guy like Cedric Jackson on the floor during the last four minutes and not expect him to try to win the game.

Despite everything, it's been an entertaining season. It is what it is, so on to the draft.

Posted by: PostSubscriber | April 15, 2010 5:40 AM | Report abuse

Mr. Leonsis, start from scratch and that means get rid of Saunders and Grunfield!

Posted by: oakiedokie | April 15, 2010 6:10 AM | Report abuse

Send Ovie to the draft lottery. Guaranteed first pick. Anybody that gets a hole in one the first time they play golf has to be lucky.

Posted by: jfwil | April 15, 2010 6:26 AM | Report abuse

The Mike Lee piece yesterday seems to support the idea that the impetus for those commitments to Arenas, Jamison, and Butler came mostly from the Pollin family. Grunfeld probably supported it, but it's ownership who hands out that sort of cash, and no one else.

What's amazing is there are people who accuse Abe Pollin of being cheap, in spite of the evidence of those contracts. Abe wasn't cheap; he was selectively foolish with his money.

If the story's accurate, it was Ernie who advised the family to blow up the team, and not the other way around.

Posted by: Samson151 | April 15, 2010 7:42 AM | Report abuse

The same thing every year, win a few games that don't amount to beans at the end and knock themselves down in the draft lottery. They can't even lose right!

Posted by: slimjim21787 | April 15, 2010 7:44 AM | Report abuse

"Mr. Leonsis, start from scratch and that means get rid of Saunders and Grunfield!

Don't forget ARENAS!!

Posted by: slimjim21787 | April 15, 2010 7:46 AM | Report abuse

As we have seen, the rankings mean nothing. The lottery is a crap shoot. I think it is valuable to win the final game. If this was football or baseball, I might disagree...

Posted by: BT23 | April 15, 2010 7:48 AM | Report abuse

This is a deep draft and there'll be someone that can help us. The only positions where we appear to be ok are starting PF and SG, in my opinion. I'm assuming Gil comes back and shares the SG position with NY.
If we're lucky, JM is gonna be able to step in and start for the next 10 years at C but until he proves he's not foul prone, we could even use a C.
Personally, I'd like to get Wes (Syracuse) or Evan (Ohio state) to step in at the SF for us. Wall would be ideal but if we can re-sign Shaun, that would also work.

Posted by: original_mark | April 15, 2010 7:48 AM | Report abuse

"On TV they showed Irene Pollin, and her two sons, Robert and Joseph (?)"

Her sons look like the last two people on earth you'd choose to run a business.

Posted by: divi3 | April 15, 2010 7:56 AM | Report abuse

That figures. The Wiz pull out a meaningless win that ends up hurting, not helping them. Thankfully Golden State is just as stupid as they won last night too.

The Wiz could have had the 3rd best chance at the # 1 pick. Now a coin flip will decide if they have the 4th or 5th best chance at the # 1 pick. Idiots.

They can’t do anything right. Including losing.

Posted by: Rocky420 | April 15, 2010 8:24 AM | Report abuse

"p.s. dejuain blair had 27 pts 23 rbs tonight. That's right, our second round draft pick last year."

EG needs fired.

I'm not saying we all know more then the people who are hired to put teams together, but I know at least half of you guys WAY before that trade went down were screaming for the Wiz to draft that guy.

How good would him and Stephen Curry look for the Wiz's future right now???

Honestly, I know many of you are EG fans but he can't draft worth a hoot, he let good players go elsewere, and the ones he brought in did absolutely nothing to help anything.

Any other organization he would be fired by now.

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | April 15, 2010 8:27 AM | Report abuse

it's just absurd that a 25 win team sits their starters like we're getting ready for the postseason. Fans were seriously going bonkers over that bs, pay good money to come to the last game....only to see a failed attempt at a tank job. So lame, and the kind of karma that gets you the 8th pick

Posted by: divi3 | April 15, 2010 8:28 AM | Report abuse

Let the re-build begin with a clean-slate.
1st order of business? The firing of Ernie Grunfeld. The Pollin's, Unselds, & Grunfeld, all gone.

Posted by: closg | April 15, 2010 8:28 AM | Report abuse

IT was obvious that neither team's coaches were trying to win last night's game. What a joke!

Posted by: bobilly2 | April 15, 2010 8:32 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: artiesliver | April 15, 2010 8:33 AM | Report abuse

3-4-5

If they had lost there was still a 50% chance they would lose the flip with Sacto and get the fourth ping-pong ball combination,

They won and if they win the flip with GSW they wind up with the fourth ping-pong ball combination.

Last year they won the flip with the Clips for the second ping-pong ball combination and still dropped to five when the winning ball was chosen.

Life is chance. I am glad they won the game.

Posted by: khrabb | April 15, 2010 8:34 AM | Report abuse

and btw to those worrying about JM, yes, he takes some of the most ill-advised shots you'll see and appears to be making them up on the fly at times.

yet the line reads: 14pts, 5-10FG, 4-6FT, 8rebs, 3blks, 3stls

for a 22yr old project who isnt even the starter, that glass is half full

Posted by: divi3 | April 15, 2010 8:35 AM | Report abuse

Same as usual, we win when we should lose and lose when they should win and as always half-ass backwards- GOODBYE GOOD RIDDANCE GRUNFELD.

Posted by: horace1 | April 15, 2010 8:37 AM | Report abuse

Long as we're in position for Wall or Turner. I'd even consider Favors. So top 3 or bust, far as I'm concerned.

BTW, I see where on SportsCenter, Miss Cleo's (I know, I know) predicting LeBron to the Wizards. Not saying, just sayin'.

Posted by: BMoreChil | April 15, 2010 8:40 AM | Report abuse

It's so obvious neither coach wanted his team to win last night. Flip gives the D-Leaguers extensive minutes down the strretch. O'Brien benches Hibbert in the closing minutes despite his giving JaVale the blues all night. Of course, when all is said and done, the Wiz win a heartbreaker and further diminish their Wall/Turner chances. Only the Wiz!!

Posted by: artiesliver | April 15, 2010 8:49 AM | Report abuse

I won't be watching the draft lottery. Can't bear to watch us get 9th. Wake me when it's over.

Posted by: thecomedian1 | April 15, 2010 8:56 AM | Report abuse

Ernie Grunfeld Re: Last-years draft

"I didn't feel like there was anybody at the five spot who could fit into our rotation," Grunfeld said. "I don't think there are any guarantees in the draft and people are saying this is a weaker draft than normal, so for us to be able to turn the No. 5 pick into two players who can help us immediately and help us for years to come, we felt very good about it."

Grunfeld added that it wasn't necessary to wait and see which player fell to the team at No. 5. "We knew who was going to be at the five spot and we felt that these players were going to help us a lot more than anybody we would've gotten in the draft," Grunfeld said. "A lot of times what happens, when you wait on situations, the other team might get better offers along the way. Then the trade might go away. We felt good about this."

And some want this mann in-charge on draft night?

Posted by: closg | April 15, 2010 8:57 AM | Report abuse

@rmcazz- Let's put it in perspective. dejuain blair's season avg: 7pts, 6rebs per game. Would that have made us a playoff team? A better case can be made for Curry, however if he was selected we would still have Etan, Darius and Pecherov on the roster because no one would have taken them otherwise and we would be even more over the luxury tax. Even with all the kaos of this year, we will be in a good position next season with 4 draft picks, $$ to shop for a top free agent and the development of our young guys. Add a more mature Arenas and the future looks promising. I would support the firing of Saunders because I questioned his handling of Young, Blatche and McGee. He was forced to use them by the trades and injuries, otherwise he did nothing to help their growth.

Posted by: garrybrown | April 15, 2010 8:57 AM | Report abuse

garrybrown-good comment - right on all points- especially how Saunders handled the players.

Posted by: dcperspective | April 15, 2010 9:05 AM | Report abuse

Then again, AB wouldn't play selfishly to get his numbers to help his next contract would he??? Nah, AB would never be that player! LMAO

Posted by: rphilli721 | April 15, 2010 5:28 AM

yeah, blatche never passes the ball. right.

Posted by: divi3 | April 15, 2010 9:28 AM | Report abuse

garrybrown has good points on Curry/ Etan et al with the early pick, but there is no good excuse to have passed up on DeJuan Blair. His season stats aren't great but he's a rookie on a playoff team, and he's been stellar when they really needed him. No one expects him to be averaging a double double for the Spurs- on the flip side, he's had monster games when he had to fill in for someone. The Spurs are the one's who hit the lottery, considering they got a great 6th man who can start if necessary, and they only got him for 2nd round pick. There are two ways to build a team in the NBA- getting lucky in the top of the draft (e.g. LeBron) or finding the diamonds in the rough/ undervalued future stars later in draft. Le Boulez can't do the former (e.g. Kwame), and Grunfeld has proven he can't do the latter...

Posted by: jmadams | April 15, 2010 9:32 AM | Report abuse

And speaking of moves that weren't made by Grunfeld, anyone see Amare's line last night? Anyone remember that we could have had him had we been willing to give up the right combo of Antawn or CB and filler? Great NBA teams are also determined by a GM who knows when to pull the trigger. And to take it back even further, anyone remember the rumors that the Lakers offered Kobe for Gilbert back when between the rape case, his injuries, and Kobe's bad attitude, LA was shopping him? EG put the kabosh on that one too. Hindsight's 20/20, but you pay a GM for his ability to see into the future and make the right choice...

Posted by: jmadams | April 15, 2010 9:45 AM | Report abuse

kobe has a no-trade clause.

Posted by: divi3 | April 15, 2010 9:54 AM | Report abuse

Andray Blatche was a 2nd round pick and is only 23yrs old. Say what you want but 22pts/7rebs over the last 30 games @ 3mill yr, makes that a great pick and a good resigning. Young and McGee are talented and if used properly makes them good picks considering their position in the draft. We can look at any GM in the league and question missed opportunities with draft picks. Right now we are in a great position draft-wise and free agent wise and who knows the ping pong balls may fall in our favor this time

Posted by: garrybrown | April 15, 2010 10:14 AM | Report abuse

Etan, Darius and Pecherov on the roster because no one would have taken them otherwise and we would be even more over the luxury tax.

Posted by: garrybrown | April 15, 2010 8:57 AM | Report abuse

Minn moved Darius and Etan last year?

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | April 15, 2010 10:28 AM | Report abuse

garrybrown

Darius is the only one of the 3 who has a contract for next year and it's a player option at 4.8.

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | April 15, 2010 10:32 AM | Report abuse

I tried to switch between watching the Wiz game and the Thunder/Grizz last night. Durant put on a show. Whew! And Rudy Gay wasn't too bad either.

Hint, Hint

Posted by: millineumman | April 15, 2010 10:34 AM | Report abuse

New poll question...

Who don't you want to see with the Wizards organization next year?

1) The Pollin family
2) Ernie
3) Flip
4) Gil
5) All of the above

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | April 15, 2010 10:34 AM | Report abuse

i saw a couple minutes of each game throughout the year but have no interest in the Wizards style of play.

Little or no defense...terrible rebounding team...don't fast break...big men don't run very well at all...

they were better after the exodus of BH, AJ and CB...played better offensively and shared the ball...but their guard defense especially against the better point guards was poor.

don't have any interest in watching these guys play...and kept turning the channel all year long.

Posted by: outrbnksm | April 15, 2010 10:58 AM | Report abuse

Then again, AB wouldn't play selfishly to get his numbers to help his next contract would he??? Nah, AB would never be that player! LMAO

Posted by: rphilli721 | April 15, 2010 5:28 AM

yeah, blatche never passes the ball. right.

Posted by: divi3


And your point is?? He berated teammates for a rebound a few games ago so he could post a triple double - nice, what a winner. He passes out of necessity and, yes, has a decent all-around game, but, again, that in no way shape or form makes him the type of person you build a team around or give a huge contract too. This is still the same guy who was suspended twice this year for basic insubordination, was widely criticized for being a lazy professional by teammates and coaches, and apparently barely knew the weight room. After 16 good professional games post trades, he already began to discuss how he was underpaid. You think once any incentives are gone to improve he will just do so bc he wants to be better and win it all??? Not a chance in hell. He just wants to be paid and it's so obvious. He is a bigger headache in the making than Arenas ever was and not nearly as talented. Remember, GA before his injury was a top 10 player in the NBA and pushing up the list. AB is a talented loser who will never be a top 30 player much less anything higher. So, have fun rebuilding around him bc it will end poorly, I guarantee it. According to Wilbon, two of the best players in the NBA agree with this assessment as do numerous other scouts and coaches. But, I guess you know more as you are want to do.

Posted by: rphilli721 | April 15, 2010 10:59 AM | Report abuse

I might be wrong but wanted to check with y'all about this.

When lottery teams are tied with identical records, there is no tie-breaker or coin-flip. Am I correct in that the lottery teams with identical records just split the ping pong balls for the selections? In other words, the fourth and fifth, or Warriors and Wizards, both have the same exact chance of having their ping pong ball pulled. Another example would be if the 4th spot had 30 balls and the 5th spot had 50 balls, both teams would get 40 balls or chances?

Posted by: G-Man11 | April 15, 2010 11:00 AM | Report abuse

garrybrown

So you would rather have nobody rather than Jennins/Curry and Darius?

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | April 15, 2010 11:05 AM | Report abuse

"Alright Steady Teddy, time to get moving on reshaping this Org. in your image..."

Rotund?

Posted by: nmik | April 15, 2010 11:09 AM | Report abuse

According to Wilbon, two of the best players in the NBA agree with this assessment as do numerous other scouts and coaches. But, I guess you know more as you are want to do.

Posted by: rphilli721 | April 15, 2010 10:59 AM |

You mean according to Wilbon two days ago and subject to 180degree reversal at any moment. AB is on the team 4yrs, Wilbon writes glowingly about him, then suddenly he's a "loser." In case you cant see it, wilbon scans the AP and writes his garbage from there- always a day late and a dollar short.

At any rate, AB/JM/NY are all going to be integral parts of the team next season so you may not want to tune back in til 2012.

Posted by: divi3 | April 15, 2010 11:11 AM | Report abuse

Well they fired my boy in Philly, DAMN! EJ had better get a grip and know that the Princeton doesn't fit everybody he's wearing out his welcome around the league,sadly his years in DC may be the only thing he can hang his hat on, oh and in NJ.

Posted by: dargregmag | April 15, 2010 11:13 AM | Report abuse

rphilli721:

Harsh assessment, harsh. I mean,it could be true, but I thought AB wanted the triple double, and said so honestly and openly. Not to down his teammate but for the individual accomplishment. He's never had one. Looked like he was smiling and joking about it as play went on. I like your take on things generally. Different strokes you know.

Posted by: glawrence007 | April 15, 2010 11:17 AM | Report abuse

What was wrong with Blatche trying to get the triple double? He is a lot of things but what he is not, is selfish as a basketball player. He has always passed the ball. People like Wilbon want to label him as selfish and a "stat-chaser", but did Wilbon's ass label David Robinson that when he intentiionally shot everything chasing the scoring crown that season? Why the double standard?

I do agree however with these "two of the best players in the NBA" that said they would not build a team around Blatche. I would not either. That does not mean he can't be a better than average contributor on a playoff/championship team. These people want to make Blatche out to be a bigger ass than Dennis Rodman or Ron Artest.

Give me a break.

Posted by: G-Man11 | April 15, 2010 11:27 AM | Report abuse

what's wrong with just keeping AB on the team, he's under contract? he's not a bad player. i think wilbon and rphilli are being ultra harch in their criticisms of AB. i don't think he's a stat chaser, more like a stat stuffer. It's rare for a power forward to grab a triple double, especially when he's done the deed in pts and assts and only needed 1 more reb in the closing mins. No one is endorsing AB for Mayor,Senator or President, but i think he's shown that he can play the game of basketball and belongs on this team.


Posted by: lilhollywood10 | April 15, 2010 11:35 AM | Report abuse

i think he's shown that he can play the game of basketball and belongs on this team.


Posted by: lilhollywood10 | April 15, 2010 11:35 AM | Report abuse

Yes!!!!!

Posted by: glawrence007 | April 15, 2010 11:49 AM | Report abuse

He berated teammates for a rebound a few games ago so he could post a triple double - nice, what a winner

Which teamates (plural) did AB berate?

This is still the same guy who was suspended twice this year for basic insubordination, was widely criticized for being a lazy professional by teammates and coaches, and apparently barely knew the weight room.

Any quotes, i remember AB being touted as one of the best players coming into camp and being in better condition?


After 16 good professional games post trades, he already began to discuss how he was underpaid.

was this an unsolicited comment, or was he being interviewed by a reporter on the very subject of him being an underpaid player?

So, have fun rebuilding around him bc it will end poorly, I guarantee it.


Easy on the strawman slim. I don't know if people are talkin bout building a championship around Blatche like he's Lebron or something. I think folks just aren't so quick to jettison young and talented player who haven't come close to reaching their ceiling. this organization has been burned time and time again trading young for old. How did last summer's moves work out? Most people who want Blatche back just want him back, not as the face of the franchise. As a starter he's putting up 22 and 9 or something, are we sooooo good that we can win without bringing that back?

The same people who wanted MM and RF (proven commodities) over crapshoot draft chices now wanna trade AB for a pick. LMAO

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | April 15, 2010 11:49 AM | Report abuse

"No one is endorsing AB for Mayor,Senator or President, but i think he's shown that he can play the game of basketball and belongs on this team."

If the Wiz focus the rebuild through the draft, my preference, eventually adding missing link players through free agency after a few years, Blatche, for all his unfulfilled potential, may be better suited as trade bait then foundation material.
Some one mentioned Rodman and Artest, both made their pivotal contributions as older players to established teams. The Wiz are rebuilding, decisions about the future have to be made on accumulated experience. Blatche has a mixed record and is shaky material to be assembling young players around. If something attractive is offered for him there should be no hesitation to part ways.

Posted by: midlevex_ | April 15, 2010 11:53 AM | Report abuse

It's not a question as to whether it's a deep draft or not, it's a question of where the game changing talent is. To jump from "not capable of winning it" to "winning it" you have to have a game changer. It appears that this draft has 4 guys seen w/that potential (some would argue five). Wall, Cousins, Turner and Favors. After that the guys are lower ceiling w/higher risk across the board. Winning this game was a total disaster if it costs us access to one of these guys. The next level down are the Monroe's, Patterson's, Aminu's and W. Johnson's of the world, nice players, but complementary players at best who are not game changers.

Also the Pollin's earned their rep for cheapness, some late last minute pay the guys so we can win a 1st round series (total pipedream which justified the insanely foolish trade last year, gee, couldn't use Steph Curry or Brandon Jennings right?) doesn't negate the fact that they were the Clippers East for decades, and the only saving grace was that while equally as cheap and foolish as Sterling, they weren't evil as he was/is.

Posted by: graywolfe81 | April 15, 2010 11:57 AM | Report abuse

and the older Rodman got, the more of a fool he was. Blatche is not as big a fool as Rodman. Teams won with Rodman his whole career. He may not have been a big contributor with the Pistons but he probably did some foolish things as a Piston.

Nobody is saying build the team around Blatche. Is he tradeable? Sure, but don't give him away. And for his salary, you will not get equal value.

I guess there are versatile 7footers, under 25, with a cap-friendly contract, just falling out of the sky everywhere.

Posted by: G-Man11 | April 15, 2010 12:02 PM | Report abuse

once again this idea that if you don't move blatch then you're building around him. That's as silly as saying we're building around AT, Ross, NY or any of the other guys folks think we're bringing back. I don't think AB should be the elder statesman or team ambassador, by any means, but playing basketball, yes he can do that. Going forward, do you think it would be easier to bring in another Pf with the skill set of AB? Or would it be wiser to sit down with him, let him know that he'll have to EARN his extension throughout the duration of the upcoming season and let him go to work. How long have we yearned for a big who can work in the post and finish at/around the rim? AB settles for the J too much now, but it's the organization's (coach) job to identify the best way to use him on the court, and prepare him for that. If he needs to get bigger/stronger Flip/GM tell him to get in the gym hard. If he needs to work on passing out of the double team, chain him up in the film room. But to try to move him because of shortcomings and maturity issues, reported by "unnamed sources" seems silly to me. He puts up beeter numbers than the consumate professional LOSER we just traded.

Artest and Rodman were far more limited offensively than Blatche. AB can work to becoma a better defender and rebounder, DR wasn't close to as talented as AB, and while RA has a lot of game, he psyches himself out of games. I don't like the comparison.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | April 15, 2010 12:05 PM | Report abuse

Blair is a good example of the stupidity of the franchise. So Arrogant that in the missed of barely winning 40 games combined in two years, we spent the offseasons trading high second round picks for money. And people say this team isn't cheap (or stupid). Insanity. Innumerable fans were screaming for Blair. Yes Blair carried a risk, injures his knees one more time and his career is probably done, but what's the difference between taking that risk, or just taking money and sitting pat with a horrid roster or making an insanely stupid trade for two mediocrities because it could push the franchise from a ceiling of 42 wins, if everything goes right, to 45?

You could randomly pick any poster at realgm, or in this comment thread, and they could have done an infinitely better job w/our draft assets the last three or four years than we actually did with dumb, dumber, and dumbest running the FO. At bare minimum, last year we would have ended up with Blair, and Steph Curry, but Im sure we couldn't have used a guy with 40 ppg talent, and a guy who plays with the energy and desire of Barkley when it comes to rebounding, Instead we have Miller and Foye leaving as free agents, and some cash.

It's damn near impossible to cheer for this team. Thank God Leonsis bought it. The long 30+ year nightmare is hopefully slowly going to be put to rest now.

Posted by: graywolfe81 | April 15, 2010 12:06 PM | Report abuse

The Wizards are clearly cursed so don't worry about lottery slots.

Even if the Wizards had the first pick with another LeBron James available, the guy would trip on a banana peel and sustain permanent brain damage on the way to the draft podium.

Posted by: clandestinetomcat | April 15, 2010 12:08 PM | Report abuse

Abe wasn't cheap; he was selectively foolish with his money.


like the guy who buys himself a Movado watch but tells his wife he can't afford to go out to dinner..yeah they call that guy cheap

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | April 15, 2010 12:10 PM | Report abuse

Also the Pollin's earned their rep for cheapness, some late last minute pay the guys so we can win a 1st round series (total pipedream which justified the insanely foolish trade last year, gee, couldn't use Steph Curry or Brandon Jennings right?) doesn't negate the fact that they were the Clippers East for decades, and the only saving grace was that while equally as cheap and foolish as Sterling, they weren't evil as he was/is.

Posted by: graywolfe81

Can someone please start cataloguing the top ten 'cheap' moves by Abe Pollin?

If you want to say Pollin was inept at putting a good basketball team together, I won't argue, there's far too much evidence to the contrary. I just want more evidence of actual cheapness. I'm fully willing to be convinced, but I'm finding it difficult at the moment.

The cheap moves that come to mind for me are

- selling the 2nd round pick last year as part of avoiding the luxury tax....

- Not being willing to match (or more likely beat) the SA contract for RMJr.

Honestly, neither of those for me rise to the level of being perpetually 'cheap' as you see most teams make similar kinds of moves.

As I said, totally willing to be convinced, just need to see more evidence.

Posted by: ts35 | April 15, 2010 12:11 PM | Report abuse

seriously, 100 mil on my man Gil, 50 mil on Metawn, and they couldn't pay Heavy D Blair second round money. Selectively foolish? LMAO it's not foolish if you know what you're doing. Lemme pay these guys that fill the seats whatever it takes to keep'em, but i'll take the cash money back for these unproven rooks.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | April 15, 2010 12:12 PM | Report abuse

"As a starter he's putting up 22 and 9 or something,"
The last blow up when Blatche refused to go back into the game, during Flip's regrettable news conference, he wondered aloud what AB was complaining about because they were running 60% of the offense through him. 22 and 9 is nice but there is a reason for it.
Would anyone trade Blatche for one of the top four picks and a warm body?

Posted by: midlevex_ | April 15, 2010 12:13 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: ts35 | April 15, 2010 12:11 PM | Report abuse

i think Larry Hughes deserved to get paid here. he and Gil were the shizznittlebamsnipsnapsam

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | April 15, 2010 12:14 PM | Report abuse

7 more wins, so next season can expect to improve to 33-47!

Posted by: sagaliba | April 15, 2010 12:28 PM | Report abuse

Im glad Gil has to watch his boys and former teammates play in the playoffs. Bad enough he couldnt play this year. I hope its killin him cause frankly, I like dude as a player.I hope he sees that he could still come back and be a game changer in this league. The guy is super talented and hopefully he will finally "GET IT" here, before going elsewhere. He can and will pay MAJOR dividends to the Zards

Posted by: Mikereese23 | April 15, 2010 12:37 PM | Report abuse

"The last blow up when Blatche refused to go back into the game, during Flip's regrettable news conference, he wondered aloud what AB was complaining about because they were running 60% of the offense through him. 22 and 9 is nice but there is a reason for it."

You mean that game where Flip said AB refused, then AB called Flip a liar, then AB started the next night? Flip lost his mind in that postgame and he knows it, a corner was turned and he's been a much better coach since.

Posted by: divi3 | April 15, 2010 12:40 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: ts35 | April 15, 2010 12:11 PM | Report abuse

i think Larry Hughes deserved to get paid here. he and Gil were the shizznittlebamsnipsnapsam

Posted by: lilhollywood10

I have to go back and look, but I think they were willing to pay him, just not over-the-top coin to get him to stay. It seemed like his preference was to go play with Bron-Bron (not that I blame him). Didn't the Wiz offer 5 or 6 years and 70mil?

Given what happened to him after he left, it almost seems more shrewd than cheap.

Posted by: ts35 | April 15, 2010 12:40 PM | Report abuse

The last blow up when Blatche refused to go back into the game, during Flip's regrettable news conference, he wondered aloud what AB was complaining about because they were running 60% of the offense through him. 22 and 9 is nice but there is a reason for it.
Would anyone trade Blatche for one of the top four picks and a warm body?


oh you mean the same dustup that has been widely reported as a miscommunication, with Flip saying AB refused to re enter the gmae and AB saying Flip never tried to put him back in and that he never actually refused to play?


I doubt any wiz fan in their right mind would keep AB over the no 4 overall and another player. You show me the GM in their right mind offering that. You might have to move AB,NY and a second rounder to get the no 4 and a player back, C'mon son

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | April 15, 2010 12:42 PM | Report abuse

"The last blow up when Blatche refused to go back into the game, during Flip's regrettable news conference, he wondered aloud what AB was complaining about because they were running 60% of the offense through him. 22 and 9 is nice but there is a reason for it."

You mean that game where Flip said AB refused, then AB called Flip a liar, then AB started the next night? Flip lost his mind in that postgame and he knows it, a corner was turned and he's been a much better coach since.

Posted by: divi3

You mean those interviews AB gave the next day where he said no coaches talked to him, then one coach, then two coaches, and he didn't refuse to go back in the game, he just refused to talk to his head coach?

AB lost his damn mind that night too (because I agree Flip went too far), and he's been a more attentive player since.

Posted by: ts35 | April 15, 2010 12:46 PM | Report abuse

"You mean that game where Flip said AB refused, then AB called Flip a liar, then AB started the next night? Flip lost his mind in that postgame and he knows it, a corner was turned and he's been a much better coach since."

In other words, regrettable. Flip or management realized the end of a lost season was not the right time to devalue Blatche's potential trade value, hence his immediate, unexplained return to the lineup.

Posted by: midlevex_ | April 15, 2010 12:47 PM | Report abuse

Sorry Lil, you're wrong. Maybe AB for one the top 2, but after that, there are too many question marks. I'm not AB's biggest fan, but even I recognize that the kid has skills and signs of showing that he's starting to get it.

Posted by: ts35 | April 15, 2010 12:49 PM | Report abuse

Flip or management realized the end of a lost season was not the right time to devalue Blatche's potential trade value, hence his immediate, unexplained return to the lineup.

Posted by: midlevex_ | April 15, 2010 12:47 PM

Not buying that, a 1 game suspension wouldnt have affected his trade value at all. And not suspending him if he was guilty as charged would make EG and Flip look like tools. Highly doubt EG thinks so lowly of himself as to let a 23yr old 2nd round pick walk on him.

All the right things have been said from both coach and player since then, it actually looks like they have a legit working relationship going on now...both probably realized they were wrong

Posted by: divi3 | April 15, 2010 12:55 PM | Report abuse

@ts35

cle offered more $. i dunno, gil came here on a 65 mil FA deal, Larry came on the cheap during the Jordan days. i'm sure LH thought that a couple years of near all star ball and playoff runs would get him a lil more than gil given that gil could renegotiate his deal for the max in a coupla years (which he did). I dunno. LH and Gil balled out for a few seasons here. and it wasn't batrman and robin it was 2 batmans. their numbers were pretty similar. He was the big guard capable of playing the 1 or 2 with Gil, without there ver being an issue of touches or numbers. LH was also a very good defender on and off the ball. He led the league in steal one season here with Gil also in the top 10 that year.
I'm not sure if the miney was right, but the combo most definitely was. I woulda overpaid to keep LH and Gil together. it's prolly the reason Gil threw down that gauntlet to EG about signing AJ. he'd already seen one of his partners let go when things were looking good.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | April 15, 2010 12:58 PM | Report abuse

Or EG told them both to STFU because they were both looking like idiots.

Posted by: ts35 | April 15, 2010 12:59 PM | Report abuse

"Not buying that, a 1 game suspension wouldnt have affected his trade value at all. And not suspending him if he was guilty as charged would make EG and Flip look like tools. Highly doubt EG thinks so lowly of himself as to let a 23yr old 2nd round pick walk on him.

All the right things have been said from both coach and player since then, it actually looks like they have a legit working relationship going on now...both probably realized they were wrong"

A one game suspension that would then be followed by an escalating drama and quite probably declining numbers and serial whining from Blatche.
I'm guessing of course but I think they decided it was not the time for an attitude adjustment session with AB. EG can salve his ego when and of course if, he sends Blatche packing.

Posted by: midlevex_ | April 15, 2010 1:02 PM | Report abuse

In other words, regrettable. Flip or management realized the end of a lost season was not the right time to devalue Blatche's potential trade value, hence his immediate, unexplained return to the lineup.

Posted by: midlevex_ | April 15, 2010 12:47 PM | Report abuse


Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiggggggghhhhhhhhtttttttttt

@ts35
fair enough, an number 4 overall is a preety good sopt to be in this year, especially considering we should be somewhere b/w 3-8. The possibilities of picking back to back in this draft, or even twice in the top eight would be really nice considering we have a late first and two seconds. But i agree that AB is valuable as a player on this team more so than a trading card.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | April 15, 2010 1:04 PM | Report abuse

Lil, no question Hughes and Arenas played great together. Hughes was almost the best possible fit for a backcourt with Gil....when he played. Problem was he missed 15-20 games every year. So you'd be paying $80mil or whatever it would have taken for 60 games a year.

I would have liked to have seen Larry stay as well, but you can't say it was a cheap move when they didn't overpay him to get him to stay.

Posted by: ts35 | April 15, 2010 1:05 PM | Report abuse

not cheap just "selectively foolish" (whoever siad that first should trademake it), Gil got 65 mil to miss how many games and then 100 mil to miss how many games. Larry did have the injury bug, but they seem to have a nest somwhere in the VC. I see where you're coming from though, i think he signed with cle for like 6 or 7 for 72 mil. Sometimes you have to overpay to get things done, ie the jamison signing. we overpaid to keep him from going to philly, and b/c gil said "sign AJ befor you sign me."

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | April 15, 2010 1:38 PM | Report abuse

In terms of cheapness, there was the Howard deal, the screwed up howard deal, the Larry issue, the 2nd round picks blown, but also stories running rampant that during the eighties and nineties, the facilities for the players, and the treatment of the players at practice, before, after, showers etc was very Donald Sterling-Clippers era like. Tolbert tells stories of no hot water, and pink granulated soap for players in the mid-nineties after practices and games. I've heard similar stories of the Jeff Malone era, and early nineties era Boulez having no hot water, and absolutely horrid lockerroom facilities and upkeep. Bottom of the barrel, as in, if you didnt get in at the right time, you just didnt shower and WORSE.

Combine this with his historical disinterest in putting any money into the capitals at all, and in particular into scouting, and it goes far. The cheapness issue isn't just about signings and non-signings and stupid contracts, that's typically only half or 1/3 or 1/4 of the issue, if players no you're facilities suck, they often will consider that among the factors that go into whether they're interested in resigning if they're drafted by you, or signing at all if they're a free agent. Pollin had a rep like Bidwill in the NFL and Sterling out on the west coast for cheapness. What gets confused is he was also a philanthropist, and he was incredibly loyal to people he worked with that he loved, but he was also incompetent when it came to putting a quality product on the court or ice.

Posted by: graywolfe81 | April 15, 2010 1:47 PM | Report abuse

not cheap just "selectively foolish"

Posted by: lilhollywood10

100% on board with 'selectively foolish' or 'penny-wise, dollar-foolish' to Americanize the old saying. Just looking for examples of institutional cheapness.

Btw, I was not in favor of resigning AJ, especially for 4 years.

Posted by: ts35 | April 15, 2010 1:49 PM | Report abuse

Also in fairness to Grunfeld, we have to acknowledge that he got huge potential value guys in longshot slot draftees. Whatever people may feel about Blatche, Blatche's potential, and production when used as a starter is superior to that of 95-98% of draftees taken in round 2 of the NBA draft. He's enormous value for cost, in terms of draft pick, and salary cap slot. Additionally he got a huge return when he selected McGee. Getting players with McGee's potential, and already apparent utility with picks outside the top 15 are really a 1 in 10 to 1 in 15 proposition. He was an absolute steal. That's part of the reason I was so infuriated that we threw away the chance to get Blair last year, and other 2nd rounders previously for cash. Grunfeld misses a ton, but he also has one of the best resume's in the league when it comes to landing value, for slot, in the dark, dark 2nd round and mid to late 1st round of drafts which generally houses flat out busts, developmental league rejects w/no future, and guys that will be the last guy on your bench. He's hit on multiple guys in this area year after year. To toss that opportunity away for cash was infuriating, particularly when everyone and their mother knew, that Blair was a starting caliber player with huge upside if (and i'll grant its a huge if), he could stay healthy.

The #'s for the season aren't whats important, its what he actually has done with the minutes he's had, and with those spot starts he's gotten. He's gonna be a player in this league, and a lot of us knew it, and we threw that opportunity away for nothing, just as we did an opportunity to get Rubio, Flynn, Jennings, and Curry, and/or a chance to trade up for a guy Grunfeld liked, who actually has turned out to be exceptionally good in Tyreke Evans.

Posted by: graywolfe81 | April 15, 2010 1:53 PM | Report abuse

So, basically, Wilbon is guilty of the egregious sin of changing his opinion over a period of months in response to new information and changing circumstances.

F@#king bastard.

Posted by: kalo_rama | April 15, 2010 12:46 AM | Report abuse

Nice spin, but it's pretty difficult being a Wilbon apologist when you read all of his contradictions and the timeline of them. For instance, he says it's "now, the baby (Arenas) needs to go out with the bath water." on January 4. A week later, on January 13, he writes about Arenas "there is much too much intelligence and goodwill, skill and legitimate personality to, as folks used to say, just throw the baby out with the bath water. "

So in a week's time, he goes from saying the baby should be thrown out with the bath water to saying there's too much intelligence, goodwill, skill etc to just throw the baby out with the bath water. Wow, just wow.

And you are really defending this guy? Seems to me Kalo_rama, you just like to argue on this blog...even when you don't have a winning argument.

Posted by: Barno1 | April 15, 2010 1:54 PM | Report abuse

WOW poor Eddie Jordan and poor Sixers fans. I knew this was not a good move because Sixers were not a jump shooting team and they were also good on Defense.

On to the Wizards. I'm glad they won the finale and played better during the last few games. I think if they are lucky they will get a high pick unlike last year and the years they picked Jared bum Jeffries, Kwame Brown. Tyreke Evans was gone by the time they would have picked and he could have easily replaced Butler.

Posted by: bonggong | April 15, 2010 1:55 PM | Report abuse

I get the John Nash screwed-up Howard deal (not sure though if that was Nash or Abe. Story goes that Nash didn't think he was worth the money). But how does the albatross Howard contract indicate cheapness? Ultimately not matching Miami's initial offer and letting Howard leave looks like a good move in retrospect. And then they had to go mess it all up (based in no small part on fan uproar over losing Howard) with Stern giving Abe one of the wackiest do-overs ever.

And what confuses the issue for me further is that even if the stories you mentioned are true, he built two arenas with his own money. Which gets back to selectively foolish, as opposed to out and out cheap.

Posted by: ts35 | April 15, 2010 1:57 PM | Report abuse

I only caught the 4th quarter but it was pretty obvious that Saunders was trying to lose the game to improve the Wizards lottery chances. Blatche had scored 26 points and was playing well & the Wiz sit him in a close game? Same for Miller and Livingston. The coach was playing 2 guys on 10-day contracts and another (Quinton Ross) who has barely played since of late. It served the Wiz right that Indiana exerted little or no energy so the Wiz could pull out a game.

The guy I'd like to see in a Wizards uniform is Evan Turner of Ohio State. Whether he plays the 2 or 3, he's an ideal compliment for Arenas if he comes back given his ballhandling skills and ability to play a variety of positions. I don't see the Wiz lucking in to the No. 1 pick and am not sure Wall and Arenas could ever share the same basketball.

I'd re-sign Miller and Singleton if the price is reasonable to keep some veteran presence in the locker room. Not sure either of those guys would want to be part of a rebuilding effort. Foye is likely to leave especially if the Wiz re-sign Livingston. He just didn't seem like a good fit for Flip's system. The trade of the No. 5 pick instead of picking Stephen Curry looks even worse now in hindsight.

Posted by: wizfan89 | April 15, 2010 2:24 PM | Report abuse

The trading of the 5 pick was not about Miller or Foye so much as it was about getting rid of Etan Thomas. Why Wizards fans cannot seem to grasp this is beyond me. They tried to dump Etan and his contract for 3 consecutive offseasons, but the only way to do it was to include a lottery pick with it.

So, regardless of what happens to Foye and Miller, that trade will always be a net plus for the Wiz because they were finally able to rid themselves of the menace Etan.

Posted by: Barno1 | April 15, 2010 2:31 PM | Report abuse

even if the stories you mentioned are true, he built two arenas with his own money. Which gets back to selectively foolish, as opposed to out and out cheap.

Posted by: ts35 | April 15, 2010 1:57 PM | Report abuse

nuthin foolish about building the two arenas. He bought the team for just over a million and his fam is about to cash out to the tune of $500mil +. More like a calculated risk based on the return he was getting on investment. he and his family helped countless real people in washington dc for decades, but they also got fat (did yall see John Polin last night, he's the milkman's kid) off of sportsfans yearning for a decent product. i was born in 1980 I have prolly only watched 5 or 6 years of good bullets/wizards hoop. that's not good enough. now there's no pricetag for a championship, as evidenced by our local gridiron heroes. But it seems like our Owner may have been among top tier people in the NBA, he never did enough to get the team to that level.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | April 15, 2010 2:33 PM | Report abuse

So, regardless of what happens to Foye and Miller, that trade will always be a net plus for the Wiz because they were finally able to rid themselves of the menace Etan.

Posted by: Barno1 | April 15, 2010 2:31 PM | Report abuse
yeah he's really dragged OKC down this year.....LLS

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | April 15, 2010 2:38 PM | Report abuse

nuthin foolish about building the two arenas.
Posted by: lilhollywood10

Nope the foolish part would be spending 100's of millions on the arenas, but then not giving them enough hot water, etc.

Posted by: ts35 | April 15, 2010 2:46 PM | Report abuse

"This is basketball not waterpolo"-Abe circa 1990

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | April 15, 2010 2:50 PM | Report abuse

So, regardless of what happens to Foye and Miller, that trade will always be a net plus for the Wiz because they were finally able to rid themselves of the menace Etan.

Posted by: Barno1 | April 15, 2010 2:31 PM | Report abuse
yeah he's really dragged OKC down this year.....LLS

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | April 15, 2010 2:38 PM | Report abuse

Is that really how you think it works? You're not really this stupid are you? So I suppose Kwame Brown was great for LA bc he didn't bring them down like he brought the Wiz down?

LMFAO

Etan was a menace to our lockerroom (several fist fights with Brendan Haywood) and was a menace to our community. He spread his pitiful hate to youngters across our region. It was as if his job was to spread ignorance and not to be a basketball player. I have no problem with a bball player being active in politics, but I do have a problem with a bball player actively spreading hate, which is precisely what Etan did during his tenure here in Washington.

Trading our pick for Foye and Miller was more about getting rid of Etan than anything else. It amazes me that Wizards fans cannot seem to comprehend this.

Posted by: Barno1 | April 15, 2010 3:08 PM | Report abuse

i think you're the ONLY person who took ET that seriously. He fought with the incurably dickish Brendan Haywood and had some political views that you don't agree with and politically incorrect comments that twisted yer titty. but really not one comment on his injury history or bloated contract. it's funny how his "progressive" attitude hasn't gotten him in any hot water down ther roun the bible belt.

BTW to be called a menace to the community i think you should at least have a misdemeanor on you record. i mean jeez, if speaking at anti war/peace rallies, supporting the campaign of our current president and donating $30,000 of his own cash to Hati relief qualify a guy as a menace to the community then i think there's a kill order for me.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | April 15, 2010 3:18 PM | Report abuse

I'm not sure if the miney was right, but the combo most definitely was. I woulda overpaid to keep LH and Gil together. it's prolly the reason Gil threw down that gauntlet to EG about signing AJ. he'd already seen one of his partners let go when things were looking good.

I don't agree. I liked Hughes and all...but it's not like they said walk. He accepted another offer. They WERE overpaying to keep him. He said himself his brother was one of the biggest reasons he went there. Can't remember if it was because of a good treatment facility there or if it was just to be closer in general, but it wasn't all about money. I'm not even sure Cleveland offered than much more if they even offered more at all.

Even still outside of that, it's not good basketball sense to have 60% of your money tied up in your backcourt when Brendan Haywood and Etan Thomas are your C's.

Posted by: SDMDTSU | April 15, 2010 4:51 PM | Report abuse

Can't remember if it was because of a good treatment facility there or if it was just to be closer in general, but it wasn't all about money. I'm not even sure Cleveland offered than much more if they even offered more at all.

Even still outside of that, it's not good basketball sense to have 60% of your money tied up in your backcourt when Brendan Haywood and Etan Thomas are your C's.

Posted by: SDMDTSU | April 15, 2010 4:51 PM | Report abuse
there were other reason's LH chose to leave i guess. Although children's hospital had a decent pediatics unit last time i cheked. The wiz had right of first refusal, and they exercised it.
It's wild, b/c AJ was here along with Gil and LH. We kinda ended up rolling the dice, and hoping CB could replace LH, and in a lot of ways he did, but we still don't have a real starting SG.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | April 15, 2010 5:24 PM | Report abuse

There are, like, a trillion things to comment on here. Here's some:

- This whole concept about getting more lottery balls is really off. It doesn't matter one lick how many lottery balls we have, only whether or not one of ours is picked. There is a difference. A team might be Orlando with the smallest chance and win the #1 (Webber, traded for Penny) or the team with the largest chance and win #1 (Cleveland with LeBron). I GET that the chances increase (theoretically) when you have a worse record, but the fact is all that matters is the result. If you look at the history, being in the top half (versus the bottom half) is MUCH more important to winning the lottery than incremental differences between the 3rd or 4th worst teams. I don't remotely get this way of looking at the lottery (ie, the tanking argument) because it NEVER works that way. The team that wins the lottery gets the #1 pick, not the team that has the most balls. It's still totally random. An article like this one obviuosly fuels all the misguided fire and Mike Lee is a fool for writing it, because he should certainly understand that it's wrong-headed.
- Tom Tolbert never played for the Wiz
- Clearing the bench on the last meaningless game to let everyone play at the end of a trying season is (a) what all coaches do, and (b) not equal to tanking, and (c) not a slap in the face of the fans. What exactly were the fans expecting? It was the last game of THIS season against the Pacers. Of course, there'd be plenty of Earl/Oberto and plenty d-leaguers. I don't think this means we were trying to tank and I don't think it's rude and I don't think it'll mess up our karma.
- I think we got a great shot at a top 2 pick. See Clippers last year.
- What hate did Etan Thomas spread? He spread an ugly-*ss game, for sure.
- Kal, you clearly are looking only to argue with no balance at all if you are going to defend Wilbon as a "local" writer. Since you do follow the Wiz, you must be able to tell that Wilbon does not.
- How does hoping for a triple double in a game in which the outcome has already been determined make one a "loser"? That's just silly. People aren't irreconcilable "losers" - that's just a dumb concept. Shaq was considered a huge loser... up until he became a huge winner. Same with Peyton Manning. The only losers I know are ones (like Wilbon) who somehow think it's ok to categorize others that way without full knowledge of the person's situation.
- Etc., etc.

Posted by: Urnesto | April 15, 2010 5:35 PM | Report abuse

Whats funny to me is that you seem to think there is A WINNING arguement. FOOL there is no winning arguement. Are you really that STUPID!!You are a nobody, absolutely nobody. Your dumb-ass opinion is no better than anybodys.So far, he is only guilty of putting himself and STEELERS into bad positions.Say what you will DUMMIES, BEN is a WINNER. Thats what he does. I really dont care what a dumb-ass athelete does off of his field pf play. They should be held respomsible to a point. ANY parent needs a FOOT in their ASS for allowing their child to look up to any kind of ball player for what they do OFF OF THE FIELD. How stupid and lazy. My kids know the diff between on the field & off the field. There is ABSOLUTELY NO REASON for my son to look up Tiger or ANY OTHER athlete for what he does off of "his" field of play. Be a REAL PARENT. Let your kids know that Tiger and anybody else is just a real human being with an extremely great jumpshot, golf stroke or whatever. YOU be a role model off the court or course or field. How triffling of you to attempt to let another man be THE role model for your child. My son knows Tiger and EVERYBODY ELSE is just a human being OFF OF THEIR FIELD of play. YOU are the problem if you let ANY athlete raise youre child.

Posted by: Mikereese23 | April 15, 2010 6:40 PM | Report abuse

"Trading our pick for Foye and Miller was more about getting rid of Etan than anything else. It amazes me that Wizards fans cannot seem to comprehend this."

Dude, you're stupid.

Please stop posting here.

Etan's contract was due to expire after this past season. While I was NEVER a fan of his they basically traded him for nothing. They gave away the 5th pick in that trade(Songaila/Pech also) and you know MM is not going to be back next year. In fact, Etan proptly got traded again.

The Wizards have nothing to show for it because EG is a terrible GM. EG gambled and lost...again. He needs to go to GM anonymus because he sucks. He's the guy at the end of the table who can't leave because he keeps wanting to break even and just can't.

I don't agree with everyone on this board, but at least I respect thier opinions and we all get along. If you want to cause problems please go back to the Redskins board and blog your Kool Aid over there.

Your opinion is not the only one and you're always wrong and just trying to stir things up.

Get a life dude.

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | April 16, 2010 8:27 AM | Report abuse

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