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Flip on Gilbert Arenas and needed areas of improvement for Wizards


By Michael Lee  |  April 15, 2010; 2:00 PM ET
 
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first time this year, i luv what Flip is taliking about. Sounds like he wants the players to make a commitment to strength and conditioning, and he almost sounds committed to them.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | April 15, 2010 2:25 PM | Report abuse

thank you flip! that's exactly what i wanted to hear, and who knows, given his recent encouragement of AB/JM/NY maybe they will enthusiastically hop on board.

as to mcgee's weight, he doesnt need to be 265 pounds and bang in there with whoever. A little more muscle and a lot more strength is all he needs to have the full set of physical tools. And with just a little development, any opposing C who muscles him is a player he can absolutely punish on the other end.

Again, he's 22 and AB is 23...i daresay Flip is looking forward to the offseason and making great strides for next year.

Th key thing is to have everyone on the same page, and it appears Flip has accomplished that.

Posted by: divi3 | April 15, 2010 2:40 PM | Report abuse

And with just a little development, any opposing C who muscles him is a player he can absolutely punish on the other end.
Posted by: divi3

*cough* Dwight Howard *cough*

The Kid is athletic, but there are tons of guys who are athletic and stronger and more skilled. Now, with a solid offseason's worth of work, he should be able to punish guys like Hibbert. But he's a long ways away from *punishing* the upper echelon guys on a regular basis.

Posted by: ts35 | April 15, 2010 2:54 PM | Report abuse

You are talking about Dwight "6'9" Howard right? Mcgee's development should certainly include scoring right over top of any 6'9" player in the league. The only reason he cant now is because he gets pushed around too easily, which is what we're talking about alleviating.

Posted by: divi3 | April 15, 2010 2:58 PM | Report abuse

Flip on needed areas of improvement for Wizards...

Mike,

Are you going to post a clip where Flip admits he needs to learn how to motivate
and complement his players instead of ragging on them to the press?

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | April 15, 2010 3:03 PM | Report abuse

@Bulletsfan78,

As if you know a damn thing about motivating or teaching NBA players. You're a joke!

Posted by: rphilli721 | April 15, 2010 3:08 PM | Report abuse

PLEASE!!!! What did you think he was going to say? as soon as Ted Leonsis signs the transfer papers he needs to show both Flip and EG the door and yesterday can't be soon enough for me. First things first hire Avery Johnson next have a meeting with the players you intend to build around and let them know under no uncertain terms that the "BULL SH#T"that occured this past season will not be tolerated, Second; Strength and Conditioning schedules will be adhered to by every player NO EXCEPTIONS. Third, insubordnation will result in a heavy fine and one game or more suspension. As a long time fan i'm up to here with back to back 50 plus losing seasons especially after making the playoffs four years in a row. This team has the nucleus to improve next season with the draft picks and cap money we could make some noise next year but everything needs to be in place and that starts with a new H/C and GM.

Posted by: dargregmag | April 15, 2010 3:12 PM | Report abuse

PLEASE!!!! What did you think he was going to say? as soon as Ted Leonsis signs the transfer papers he needs to show both Flip and EG the door and yesterday can't be soon enough for me. First things first hire Avery Johnson next have a meeting with the players you intend to build around and let them know under no uncertain terms that the "BULL SH#T"that occured this past season will not be tolerated, Second; Strength and Conditioning schedules will be adhered to by every player NO EXCEPTIONS. Third, insubordnation will result in a heavy fine and one game or more suspension. As a long time fan i'm up to here with back to back 50 plus losing seasons especially after making the playoffs four years in a row. This team has the nucleus to improve next season with the draft picks and cap money we could make some noise next year but everything needs to be in place and that starts with a new H/C and GM.

Posted by: dargregmag | April 15, 2010 3:15 PM | Report abuse

Hey SeaDogsfan78,

Are you ever going to post a comment where you admit you need to learn how to objectively give your opinion instead of just ragging on everyone associated with this organization?

It's getting old.

Posted by: Janitor_with_a_Jumpshot | April 15, 2010 3:16 PM | Report abuse

"And with just a little development, any opposing C who muscles him is a player he can absolutely punish on the other end.
Posted by: divi3"

You'd hope so. Personally I don't think he'll ever have a lot of upper body strength -- he's built wrong for it. If the opponent is strong enough and can get McGee on his hip, it's over. But if he would just develop a decent jump shot, I don't see how he could be stopped, either.

Posted by: Samson151 | April 15, 2010 3:26 PM | Report abuse

"You are talking about Dwight "6'9" Howard right?"

I only saw a couple players among those measured at the combine in their respective draft years who topped 12 feet in the vertical jump, and if I recall correctly, McGee and Howard both hit 12'3".

Posted by: Samson151 | April 15, 2010 3:30 PM | Report abuse

A jump shot and learn how to finish strong at the rim off drives. He's fine at flushing it off lobs, but like Haywood and Blatche before him, he's got an annoying habit of keeping the ball low when he's taking it to the basket and trying to scoop it in instead of going overhand, which is just an open invitation to get it blocked. Must be something in the water they give out at Wizards' practices.

Posted by: kalo_rama | April 15, 2010 3:31 PM | Report abuse

@Janitor,

Getting old? It's been old. He is probably the most tired poster in here. Well, he and Dargreg. Which brings up the point that his love affair with EJ just took another blow as EJ's middling coaching has got him fired at another job - great guy, terrible HC. Then, he wants to hire another non-accomplished retread in Avery Johnson. Comical. But, after acknowledging the team is in a fairly solid rebuilding position already courtesy of EG, he wants him fired. LMAO. Well that and he wants to set up meetings and conditioning schedules as if he has a clue on how that is done or if it has not been done. Last I checked, there is nothing mandatory about anything NBA players do with their offseason. But, Dargreg or his sidekick Avery Johnson will get it done by waving their magical wands. My final comment on Seadogs is did you catch his one piece of wisdom that doesn't include bashing EG or FS? His suggestion was to spend our cap room this summer on John Salmons and Marcus Camby, which just shows how much of a genius he is.

Posted by: rphilli721 | April 15, 2010 3:32 PM | Report abuse

@Bulletsfan78,

As if you know a damn thing about motivating or teaching NBA players. You're a joke!

Posted by: rphilli721 | April 15, 2010 3:08 PM | Report abuse

Neither does Flip and his record this year proves it!

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | April 15, 2010 3:39 PM | Report abuse

@Bulletsfan78,

As if you know a damn thing about motivating or teaching NBA players. You're a joke!

Posted by: rphilli721 | April 15, 2010 3:08 PM | Report abuse

Neither does Flip and his record this year proves it!

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | April 15, 2010 3:40 PM | Report abuse

SeaDogsfan78,

Flip has a career winning percentage that proves he knows how to motivate players and win games. This bad year should not be used as a standard by which to judge him or his abilities! Everyone seems to know this except for you! Let's start looking forward to the draft and next year rather than attempting to judge things that are out of our depth, as you are doing.

With three picks this year and a healthier Gilbert returning, plus a high-profile free agent and a young core of players showing promise, I think the next year definitely holds some intrigue! I mean, finally NY showed some confidence and played well! JM off the bench seems like it could work! AB stepping up? Who knew? Our little Wizzies are growing up! Now if only SeaDogsfan78 could show a little similar growth, we could actually call it collectively a miracle.

Posted by: Janitor_with_a_Jumpshot | April 15, 2010 4:13 PM | Report abuse

You are talking about Dwight "6'9" Howard right?"

I only saw a couple players among those measured at the combine in their respective draft years who topped 12 feet in the vertical jump, and if I recall correctly, McGee and Howard both hit 12'3".

Posted by: Samson151 | April 15, 2010 3:30 PM | Report abuse

well then it's a good thing javale's freakish length (lol) should give him the edge

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | April 15, 2010 4:29 PM | Report abuse

@Janitor,

Are you really trying to talk logic and common sense to someone who clearly has neither? LMAO. Thanks for looking out, but that was all too easy and obvious to anyone with a brain or without a set agenda. Then again, this season was clearly a result of FS's coaching. I mean, c'mon, who can't motivate and coach D-Leaguers to the playoffs?

Posted by: rphilli721 | April 15, 2010 4:35 PM | Report abuse

non-accomplished retread in Avery Johnson


didn't he coach a team to the final and the best record in the west? wasn't he the head coach of a team the was a perennial winner and title contender out west. he picked up after don nelson and they didn't miss a beat. it's funny he got fired b/c he couldn't get dallas over the hump, then they went and hired carlisle, the guy who was run out of detroit cuz he couldn't get them over the hump.lls

Avery doesn't have the rep of a Flip Saunders (who can now add a 26 win season to his illustrious resume). But unaccomplished retread is super harsh.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | April 15, 2010 4:36 PM | Report abuse

I mean, c'mon, who can't motivate and coach D-Leaguers to the playoffs?

Posted by: rphilli721 | April 15, 2010 4:35 PM | Report abuse

.......or former allstars over the first 30 or so games.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | April 15, 2010 4:43 PM | Report abuse

the season was lost well before the salary dump. No one expected the d leaguers to do well. After the all star break the wiz only won 9 games, but i can't say that the 17 Flip got out of Gil,DS,AJ,BTH and CB were that special honestly. Aside from the opening night win the first half of the season was a nightmare, and Flip had his stars then. Some would say that he got the roster he wanted.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | April 15, 2010 4:52 PM | Report abuse

the season was lost well before the salary dump. No one expected the d leaguers to do well. After the all star break the wiz only won 9 games, but i can't say that the 17 Flip got out of Gil,DS,AJ,BTH and CB were that special honestly. Aside from the opening night win the first half of the season was a nightmare, and Flip had his stars then. Some would say that he got the roster he wanted.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | April 15, 2010 4:53 PM | Report abuse

You are talking about Dwight "6'9" Howard right? Mcgee's development should certainly include scoring right over top of any 6'9" player in the league. The only reason he cant now is because he gets pushed around too easily, which is what we're talking about alleviating.

Posted by: divi3

Uh, dude, he's JaVale McGee, k? He's a couple of inches taller, not a foot. And Dwight's vert is as good. Maybe JM should worry about not getting punished by Mehmet Okur, Andrew Bogut, Roy Hibbert, either Lopez brother, etc. etc. before he starts trying to play with the big dogs.

Posted by: ts35 | April 15, 2010 5:00 PM | Report abuse

i dont think howard's offensive game is much more than dunks and putbacks, though he's added some wrinkles of late and will get every call for the rest of his career. I'm also not sure he isnt 6'8"! I swear Bron looks the same height.

Posted by: divi3 | April 15, 2010 5:44 PM | Report abuse

I'm sure you're right. Also within two years, AB will be challenging Durant and LeBron for the scoring title and Nick Young will be the defensive player of the year.

Posted by: ts35 | April 15, 2010 6:00 PM | Report abuse

Al to work with Hakeem
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Al Jefferson | Timberwolves Top Email

The season ended yesterday for the Wolves and forward Al Jefferson, but he's not going on a long vacation. His offseason will include working out in Minnesota, participating in USA Basketball tryouts and spending time with Hall of Fame center Hakeem Olajuwon to improve his footwork.

"Normally, I take a month off after the season but I'm only taking two weeks, then it's back to work," Jefferson told the Pioneer Press. "This summer is going to be real big for me."

"Olajuwon been one of my favorite players since I came into the league," Jefferson added. "I'm hoping he can take my game, on offense and defense, to another level."

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How do we get AB or JM working with The Dream????

Posted by: ts35 | April 15, 2010 6:39 PM | Report abuse

Here are the respective predraft measurements for Howard and McGee. McGee's three years younger.

Height without shoes: Howard 6'9"; McGee 6'11"
Height in shoes: Howard 6'10.25"; McGee 7'
Wingspan: Howard 7'4.5"; McGee 7'6"
Standing reach: Howard 9'3.5"; McGee 9'6.5"
No step vertical: Howard 30.5"; McGee 27"
Max vertical: Howard 35.5"; McGee 32.5"

McGee's definitely taller, but once they're in the air, looks like Howard quickly makes up the difference.

Posted by: Samson151 | April 15, 2010 8:14 PM | Report abuse

I like what Flip said about Gil and its what I keep saying. In all of pro sports people will tell you that you arent officially all the way back until your 2nd year from the injury. I think he will actually look more explosive & stronger next season and I think the rest will help his knee.

I also like what Flip said about our team's bodies. We look like a HS team every year. They have to have some kind of plan to get these young guys in better shape and physically stronger. Hopefully they will next season

Posted by: dlts2041 | April 15, 2010 8:41 PM | Report abuse

I'm interested in Flip saying he is installing a new 2 guard offense to facilitate Gil's strengths and remove him from some of the PG responsibilities.

I get the impression that has alot to do with how much Flip likes Livingston. Flip has made alot of positive comments on Shaun, and I can totally see him and Gil fitting together very well in the backcourt.

To me it all pretty much comes to who we get in the draft.

If we get Wall or Turner, that could effect if we keep Livingston, as well as who we pursue in free agency. For instance if we get either of them I can see us going after someone like David Lee, or Stoudamire. In contrast if we end up with Cousins, Favors, or Aldrich I could see us going after someone like Gay or Johnson.

Also if we get Favors for instance, could we move Blatche to starting center full time to make room for Favors at PF? If we add someone like Gay, do we still consider keeping Miller or Howard?

I like the ideal situation is we draft Turner, sign FA center Lee, keep Miller and Livingston. Go with a starting 5 of Lee, Blatche, Miller, Turner, Arenas with Thornton and Livingston as top 2 off the bench.

Posted by: Darnell1 | April 15, 2010 9:12 PM | Report abuse

If we get Wall or Turner, that could effect if we keep Livingston, as well as who we pursue in free agency. For instance if we get either of them I can see us going after someone like David Lee, or Stoudamire. In contrast if we end up with Cousins, Favors, or Aldrich I could see us going after someone like Gay or Johnson.....I like the ideal situation is we draft Turner, sign FA center Lee, keep Miller and Livingston. Go with a starting 5 of Lee, Blatche, Miller, Turner, Arenas with Thornton and Livingston as top 2 off the bench.

Posted by: Darnell1
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I totally agree that Livingston is the PG to pursue except if we get lucky and land John Wall, in which case the Wiz would be wise to spend that money elsewhere rather than on Shaun. I totally disagree with pursuing David Lee. He's playing out of position at center. Physically, he's a PF and we already are more than adequate there with Dray. I think Stoudemire is too much of a health risk for the megabucks he will demand and also fits best at the 4 rather than 5. Rudy Gay at the 3 would be a dream come true. Projected Starters:
Livingston PG
Arenas SG
McGee C
Blatche PF
Gay SF

with a bench of Young, Thornton, Singleton (bring him back), the two 1st round draft choices,Quentin Ross (he won't opt out) and ????

We apparently have completely differing assessments of McGee. I've seen considerable progress since he's gotten more PT; he also looks somewhat stronger, not as rail-thin as he was a year ago. I'm optimistic that with considerable time in the gym and weight room between now and the start of next season he will be a playoff-team caliber starting center next year; not yet an All-Star but more than adequate. You apparently also disregard NY who I think is a borderline starter on a good team.

Posted by: phil27 | April 15, 2010 11:31 PM | Report abuse

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