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JaVale McGee on ninth consecutive home loss

By Michael Lee  |  April 2, 2010; 10:55 PM ET
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you can say what you want about Mcgee, but since he is coming off the bench, he's been more productive... according to the stats.

Posted by: Goelez | April 3, 2010 3:19 AM | Report abuse

"you can say what you want about Mcgee, but since he is coming off the bench, he's been more productive... according to the stats.
Posted by: Goelez"

He does look more comfortable. Maybe it's getting to watch for a while, see how the opponent is playing... but IMO the games McGee excels are the games where he faces an opponent who isn't a whole lot stronger than he is (Noah, for instance). If he has to square up against a Marc Gasol or even an Aaron Gray, he seems at a disadvantage.

Posted by: Samson151 | April 3, 2010 7:40 AM | Report abuse

Interesting that given the strength of this draft class, the Final Four will have no impact on it. It's quite possible that none of the participants will be picked in the top 20. You have Butler of WVA and Singler from Duke, as well as Ebanks and maybe Gordon Hayward if they come out, as later first round candidates. Kalin Lucas might have made the cut, too, but the injury put an end to that.

Just good teams well-matched. I for one am looking forward to it.

Posted by: Samson151 | April 3, 2010 7:51 AM | Report abuse

That was a winnable game, but there's not enough veteran presence on this team to accomplish it.

We need help inside and at the point.


OBERTO goes. I think you keep McGEE, draft COUSINS and get help from FA, a JOE SMITH type. Add JERMAINE JORDAN from TULSA with our second.


BLATCHE, and SINGLETON inside. Help from FA.



HOWARD goes, THORNTON gets help with the CAVS pick, maybe Da'SEAN BUTLER if we're lucky for a change. Otherwise that 6"10" kid from SERBIA. ROSS exercises his option but is bench material only.


NICK YOUNG will make a #6 guy eventually. He stays. ARENAS becomes the starter, with FOYE as back-up along with NY.


BOYKINS goes. ARENAS, LIVINGSTON, and FOYE stay. A great true PG FA is needed.

EIGHT backcourt players.

Posted by: glawrence007 | April 3, 2010 8:18 AM | Report abuse

I really miss Alonzo Gee.
Posted by: bozomoeman

Me Two!!!!

Posted by: dsquare | April 3, 2010 8:48 AM | Report abuse

That was a winnable game, but there's not enough veteran presence on this team to accomplish it.

Posted by: glawrence007 | April 3, 2010 8:18 AM

Yeah, I agree. But, you know, even I find myself thinking it's more ping pong balls on draft day, and I've never felt that way before.

I don't want the Wiz throwing any games, but at this point I don't mind if they have try-outs, experiment, rest veterans and people who are definitely leaving, etc.


Posted by: 7snider7 | April 3, 2010 9:43 AM | Report abuse

ran into mcgee at a bar after the game, he was towing the company line (like every player should) but boy did the woman he was with have some thoughts on Flip....

Shaking his hand, clapping him on the shoulder....really amazing how thin the kid is. He just needs to hit the weight room and the rest will come, i dont think it will take THAT much for him to score an easy 10-15pts/night.

Posted by: divi3 | April 3, 2010 11:02 AM | Report abuse

Sup JaVale, get a haircut.

Posted by: closg | April 3, 2010 11:17 AM | Report abuse

Wasn't his mother was it? Pam McGee is fine.

Posted by: zxhoya | April 3, 2010 12:22 PM | Report abuse


Yeah, you can't be mad at the youngster. Given how raw he is, all this early PT for a kid that's really only a project will only speed his development.

I believe McGee's biggest problem is conditioning. He expends a lot of energy trying to out quick bigger, stronger opponents. He's not naturally powerful like Dwight Howard, but possesses greater length and much better shooting touch.

Let's all hope the young man realizes he has the potential to be a very special player.

Posted by: bozomoeman | April 3, 2010 12:24 PM | Report abuse

As for next years roster, the only sure holdovers in my mind are:
Arenas (contract)
and maybe Livingston.
Ross & Young have guaranteed money due next year, but I could see both being moved since they are,non-dependable 2s. The rest are a crap shot. Depending on front office/coaches turnover.

Posted by: bozomoeman | April 3, 2010 12:33 PM | Report abuse

I believe Josh Howard could very well be offered a moderate deal depending on who we draft.

Posted by: zxhoya | April 3, 2010 1:24 PM | Report abuse

What they had better get in place is a new head coach and GM they neeed to do that ASAP and get ready for free agency and the draft i don't think fans are gonna sit still for more losing after Grunfeld's fiasco's these last two seasons.

Posted by: dargregmag | April 3, 2010 3:17 PM | Report abuse


This is a fragile group to pin our hopes on. All have missed multiple games or are coming off of serious surgery.
We need some big time, durable help.

Posted by: VBFan | April 3, 2010 3:31 PM | Report abuse

Aside from Blatche, McGee, Thornton, Singleton, and maybe Foye (and possibly Livingston at a cut rate price) there's no reason to keep anyone on the current roster for next year. And the only reason to keep those guys is because they have potential, and are still young enough to develop or because they're cheap or because they'd make nice trade bait, or all of the above. But even then, we're still taking about a group of supporting players. There's no one in that group who's going to be a leading option on a good team. I'd get rid of any and all of them if doing so would result in acquiring some upgrades.

Posted by: kalo_rama | April 3, 2010 3:42 PM | Report abuse

There's no one in that group who's going to be a leading option on a good team.

Posted by: kalo_rama | April 3, 2010 3:42 PM

Maybe not this minute. I'd give Blatche and McGee some time to see what their ceiling is as I don't think any reasonable person could conclude that they're as good as they're going to be. Blatche, especially, might become good enough to be the first option on a good team and McGee could become that player that every team wishes it had to come off the bench and give the team a jolt of energy.

Posted by: and_1 | April 3, 2010 4:24 PM | Report abuse

I would keep AB and maybe McGee, Singleton, or Livingston, and try to resign Howard at a lower price. Everyone else I would let go. Thornton's game is out of control. Good college player, bad pro. Gilbert is a cancer, get rid of him at almost any cost. NY just can't get the job done and IMO will be out of the league in a year or two. Foye and Miller have been disappointments. The other guys aren't even worth talking about.

If you're going to start from scratch, then start from scratch (you can quote me on that).

Posted by: shovetheplanet | April 3, 2010 5:11 PM | Report abuse

Blatche is a jumpshooting big man who's average at best on defense. Players like that rarely become cornerstones to highly successful teams (Dirk and Bird nothwithstanding). He can be a contributor on a good team, if he can adjust his game and ego to playing a secondary role. But the fact that he failed to thrive in such a role for 4 1/2 years, while only beginning to show his full potential when he was thrust into the leading role on one of the worst teams in the league doesn't bode well on that score. And describing McGee as "that player that every team wishes it had to come off the bench and give the team a jolt of energy" pretty much underscores my point about him not being a leading option on a good team (to say nothing of hearkening back to my earlier suggestion that he'd be best served by patterning himself after Chris Andersen, a player who epitomizes what you described).

Again, they're worth keeping (at least in the short term) if they can fill the secondary roles best suited for them. But if better options avail themselves and the cost of acquiring those options is any or all of those players, I'd ship them out without hesitation.

Posted by: kalo_rama | April 3, 2010 5:11 PM | Report abuse

How about naming some of the "better options" for which you'd deal Blatche without hesitation.

Posted by: divi3 | April 3, 2010 5:34 PM | Report abuse

McGee's "potential" is limitless and will not be moved unless a great player is offered in return.

If in 5 years he's only marginally better than he is now, what have we lost?

Posted by: zxhoya | April 3, 2010 6:22 PM | Report abuse

I believe with conditioning, strength training and natural growth, Javale McGee will be an all-star. He just needs to learn the game and mature, not a garuntee, and he'll be fine, more than fine.

Posted by: zxhoya | April 3, 2010 6:27 PM | Report abuse

"How about naming some of the "better options" for which you'd deal Blatche without hesitation."

Sorry, but unlike you I don't claim to be able to predict the future. But unless you're prepared to anoint Blatche as the greatest player of his generation (a possibility that cannot be discounted) the fact remains that he is neither untouchable nor indispensable. If a player who shows more potential, better upside, or is more proven becomes available, and the cost of obtaining said player is Blatche then he can and should be moved for such a player. Whoever that player might be.

Do you disagree? Because if you do that means that (A) you think that there is no better player to be had (which is ridiculous) or (B) they should pass up such a player and continue to pin their hopes on Blatche developing into franchise player (which is both ridiculous and desperate).

Posted by: kalo_rama | April 3, 2010 7:09 PM | Report abuse

pretty hilarious that you ride others for strawman arguments then say things like:

"But unless you're prepared to anoint Blatche as the greatest player of his generation."

I simply asked you to name a player that meets the "better option" criteria YOU mentioned in your statement that you'd "ship them off without hesitation."

But for some reason, you cant come up with the name of single player.

Posted by: divi3 | April 3, 2010 7:49 PM | Report abuse

"How about naming some of the "better options" for which you'd deal Blatche without hesitation.Posted by: divi3"

I like Al Horford and I'd probably go for Brooke Lopez in that group.

Posted by: Samson151 | April 3, 2010 7:56 PM | Report abuse

I have a couple questions!

First does anyone know why does show the Pacers drafting ahead of us? We have a worse record. Do they have a pick they got in a trade??

Also why is Nolan Smith not in any mocks I see? Has he already said he's staying his senior year, or is he just not considered a prospect? I think he has looked really good, and is someone I'd be looking at with that 2nd 1st rounder we got from Cleveland.

Posted by: Darnell1 | April 4, 2010 12:01 AM | Report abuse

If we draft Cousing, Nolan Smith and Greivis Vasquez that would be heck of a draft!!!

Re-sign Miller and Howard at lower deals, sign Singleton and Livingston... let Foye, Oberto and Boykins walk.

C - Cousins
C - McGee
PF/C- Blatche
PF - Singleton
PF/SF- Thornton
SF/SG- Miller
SF/SG- Howard
SG - Young
SG - Ross
SG/PG- Arenas
SG/PG- Vasquez
PG - N.Smith
PG - Livingston

Posted by: Darnell1 | April 4, 2010 12:07 AM | Report abuse

Nolan Smith is 6-2 PG, has been excellent running Duke in the tournament, can score and shoot the 3, and defends. Also he's from Upper Marlboro MD! Looks to me like he would be a solid backup PG in the league, maybe like a Duhon type, and would be a nice pickup in the late 1st round IMO. I have been impressed with him in the tourny.

I'd be giving Livingston every chance to take the starting PG spot in training camp and play Arenas next to him at the 2. Smith would be a solid backup PG, and I'd love to get Vasquez in the 2nd round, probably taking the 3rd pg spot, although I'd also give him some run at SG, and Arenas can of course always slide to PG when needed.

Posted by: Darnell1 | April 4, 2010 12:18 AM | Report abuse

I guess he's already said he's staying at Duke next year though.

Posted by: Darnell1 | April 4, 2010 12:29 AM | Report abuse

@ divi3:

For what it's worth, and it may well be nothing, I'd be curious what McGee's lady friend was saying about Flip. Whether the thoughts are hers or reflect what McGee or others are saying, who knows? Maybe you formed a judgement as to this.

Posted by: 7snider7 | April 4, 2010 10:13 AM | Report abuse

I don't know if this was his girlfriend or a woman trying to pick him up, but you can guess her opinions on player-coach relations.

I'm pretty critical of Flip's handling of Dray/JM and mcgee's response to what I was saying was pure deadpan. Maybe he thought I was an idiot who had no clue about inner workings of the team, or maybe he agreed with every idea. Nice to see he has at least a good enough head on his shoulders to not saying anything stupid to semi-drunken fans!

Posted by: divi3 | April 4, 2010 10:49 AM | Report abuse

In Blatche and Lopez you have two of the best value contracts in the league.

I've been a huge Dray supporter since the first time I saw him on the court but if you could get Lopez for him, you would have to consider that trade. Lopez is a true power center with a motor and he is young. With Dray you have a young two maybe three position player. Drays only real weakness is his leaping ability. If he had McGee's leaps, he could round out to be on of the best in the league. We need a center but if we give up our PF/C/SF getting that player, you are still missing a player.

But with both of these players, you need other players around them. Dirk is the closest comparison to Dray. Adding a Gil type player is going to open things up. Even KG needed Ray Allen and PP and KG could leap.

But what would be best is getting Brook and Dray on the same team. That would be amazing. You keep McGee without a doubt in my mind. To much upside to give up on just yet. At a min he is a Birdman type player but he is bigger and much younger. Off the bench next year for 25 min a game while he develops into someone who can start if you have an injury. That is the perfect player for this team as the build and he has a cheap contract.

This team has lots of pieces. Problem is a lot of them are your bench. MM, McGee, Singleton, Nick, AT, Livingston, Foye. That would be a sweet bench.

I think you could start Livingston with Gil.

AT/MM - J Howard singed cheap for later

Foye is good Gil insurance.

Center is the biggest hole. We need two.
Decide if you keep AT or get another SF but with AT and MM, either could start and AT is signed cheap. Two different kinds of SF. One leaps and drives, one has range and passes and a solid hustle vet. Both rebound.

Get another PG prospect. Liv and Gil can cover most your PG minutes for now. Livingston is great at 6-7 mismatch post up and a true PG. Foye is you semi vet solidish SG, Nick is your microwave hit or miss type with upside.

Adding Gil changes a lot. Then the biggest hole is a starting center.

This team isn't far off from being back in it. Adding a Gil talent is a huge Ace in the hole.

Posted by: hands11 | April 4, 2010 12:11 PM | Report abuse

JaVale McGee, you had better make some improvements in the off-season. Bulk up, work on your post-up game, work on your defense. Do these things and I won't be angry. Mr. McGee, don't make me angry. You wouldn't like me when I'm angry.

Posted by: Janitor_with_a_Jumpshot | April 4, 2010 9:22 PM | Report abuse

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