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Wizards lose tiebreaker, gain salary cap space

The Wizards finished tied with Golden State for the fourth-worst record in the NBA, but their chances of winning the draft lottery on May 18 got slightly worse on Friday when they lost a tiebreaker to the Warriors in a random drawing.

The Wizards (26-56) will have the fifth-best odds of winning the No. 1 overall pick at 10.3 percent, while the Warriors have the fourth-best chance at 10.4 percent. Depending on how the lottery shakes out, the Wizards will either get the 34th or 35th pick in the second round. The team that gets the higher lottery selection gets the lower second round choice.

Losing the tiebreaker may not be as terrible as it sounds, since the Wizards won a tiebreaker against the Los Angeles Clippers last season, after finishing tied with the league's second-worst record. But the Clippers wound up winning the No. 1 pick in the lottery and selected Blake Griffin. The Wizards dropped to fifth overall, and traded the selection as part of a package to get Randy Foye and Mike Miller.

The lottery is meant to determine the top three teams, with the remaining teams ranked in descending order based on record. So, the worst pick the Wizards can get in the lottery is eighth.

The news wasn't all bad for the Wizards on Friday as NBA Commissioner David Stern informed teams at the board of governor's meeting that revenue hadn't decreased as much as expected and the projected salary cap next season would be $56.1 million. The league had projected back in July that the salary cap would be between $50.6 million and $53.6 million. The cap for 2009-10 was $57.7 million.

The figure creates an extra $2.5 million in available salary cap space for the Wizards, giving them about $21.2 million to spend on free agents or use in trades this summer. The Wizards have just six players under contract next season.


TEAM-RECORD-LOTTERY CHANCES OUT OF 1,000
1. New Jersey (12-70) 250
2. Minnesota (15-67) 199
3. Sacramento (25-57) 156
4. Golden State (26-56) 104
5. Washington (26-56) 103
6. Philadelphia (27-55) 53
7. Detroit (27-55) 53
8. LA Clippers (29-53) 23
9. Utah (via New York) (29-53) 22
10. Indiana (32-50) 11
11. New Orleans (37-45) 8
12. Memphis (40-42) 7
13. Toronto (40-42) 6
14. Houston (42-40) 5

By Michael Lee  |  April 16, 2010; 6:15 PM ET
 
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Well the overiding question this offseason will probably be how come they didn't sign Shaun Livingston, with everything so unstable right now with this franchise(personel,coaching,front office)can you blame him for looking elsewhere and he can't see himself playing for Flip so unless Ted Leonsis makes some changes pronto it's bye bye Shaun.

Posted by: dargregmag | April 16, 2010 8:14 PM | Report abuse

Lottery, schmottery. The Wizards are picking no better than 6th or 7th when all is said and done.

Posted by: gimmedat | April 16, 2010 8:34 PM | Report abuse

What this means is that the Wiz will be picking 8th instead of 7th because they have the worst possible luck (remember last year). Maybe Cole Aldrich?

Posted by: tslsteve | April 16, 2010 8:51 PM | Report abuse

please stop talking about SL, why we are thinking that he is the solution to hand us a shampionship?I we will be one of the top lottery team, there is no way we loss for two years in a raw.We will hit it this time.

Posted by: gtefferra | April 16, 2010 9:57 PM | Report abuse

The Wizards are going to get whatever draft pick they get, and should take the best players available; but in the end, they have to make their own luck. They have to out-scout, out-analyze, out-recruit, and out-think the competition. I think the summer league team is going to be a good barometer of whether the Wizards are going to get it together and do it.

Posted by: PostSubscriber | April 16, 2010 11:16 PM | Report abuse

Greg Monroe is stay in the DC area. If we get lucky and keep our #5 spot then we will take whatever is left from Wes, Cousins, and Favors. And if Monroe don't declare for the NBA then hello Richmond native Ed Davis.

Posted by: ATLredskin | April 16, 2010 11:24 PM | Report abuse

This years draft is actually pretty good for what the Wizards need. They need physical players up front, there are a lot of them in this draft.
Some one who can do what Oberto was suppose to be able to do.
Someone that can bang in the paint:
Cousins, Orton, Udoh, Samham, Favors, Aldrich.

And long wing players:
Hayword, Turner, Johnson, Vasquez, Henry

A few may turn out to be allstars, the rest may become very good Pro players.

Posted by: bozomoeman | April 16, 2010 11:36 PM | Report abuse

May 18th?

Can they send Ted maybe he will bring the Wizards better luck!

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | April 16, 2010 11:52 PM | Report abuse

The way I see it, there is a drop off after the first 5 picks. However, I think Monroe is going to be a really good pro, but he's not the type of player the Wiz need - another 4 who shies away from contact.

My top 5, in this order, are Wall, Turner, Wes Johnson, Cousins, and Favors.

Posted by: ZardsFan1 | April 17, 2010 7:33 AM | Report abuse

"They have to out-scout, out-analyze, out-recruit, and out-think the competition. I think the summer league team is going to be a good barometer of whether the Wizards are going to get it together and do it.Posted by: PostSubscriber"

Umm... who exactly will play for the Wiz in the Summer League?

You don't secretly have an ownership share in a D-league team, do ya?

Posted by: Samson151 | April 17, 2010 7:36 AM | Report abuse

"Some one who can do what Oberto was suppose to be able to do.."

Oberto was supposed to be able to give them a solid ten to twelve minutes a game off the bench, according to Ernie Grunfeld when he was acquired.

I think it was your expectations that were unrealistic, not the team's.

Posted by: Samson151 | April 17, 2010 7:40 AM | Report abuse

The penalty for winning - "Wizards lose tiebreaker."

Posted by: glawrence007 | April 17, 2010 7:58 AM | Report abuse

WALL, TURNER, JOHNSON, FAVORS, COUSINS, my top five in that order. When we pick at eight, ALDRICH sounds good.

Posted by: glawrence007 | April 17, 2010 8:02 AM | Report abuse

If the Nets win the #1 overall, do they really take John Wall?

Devin Harris is seriously a great young PG.

I wonder how that situation shakes out.

Posted by: p1funk | April 17, 2010 9:24 AM | Report abuse

So who thinks we take Greivis Vasquez with that 2nd round pick??

We need help at guard and he can play either guard position, be a nice spark off the bench, maybe even develop into something more??

Posted by: p1funk | April 17, 2010 9:26 AM | Report abuse

No, we do not need Vaquez or Monroe.There are several players that could be picked with excellent scouting at SG position or PG position. If we pick one the top two positions we need a defensive mined raw talent for our second round and late 1st round pick.My top considerations for wiz are
Turner,Johnson and Favours.There is a high chance for johnson and Favours to go up to 5th spot if the lottery ball goes according to the percentage chance we will pick one of them.

Posted by: gtefferra | April 17, 2010 9:39 AM | Report abuse

Right now, today, I can't get excited about this draft until I know if Ted is going to be in charge by then.

What is up with this ownership transfer Michael Lee?

To me the ownership transfer is the single most important thing with this organization right now.

They got the sale done and the NBA approval done down in Charlotte done lickidysplit.

What is going on here Michael Lee???

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | April 17, 2010 10:07 AM | Report abuse

Everyone want Favors, Cousins, and Turner, but we we are trying to be realistic here and reality says we are picking #7. Gil is going to hold the 1 down next year and we could rotate guys at the 2. Hopefully a 2nd round rookie is in that rotation. But going back to the draft, we need another big body down there and seeing how Monroe and Blatche are similiar players I would take Monroe in a heart beat. I would throw it all away for the firing of Grunfield though.

Posted by: ATLredskin | April 17, 2010 10:33 AM | Report abuse

"If the Nets win the #1 overall, do they really take John Wall? Devin Harris is seriously a great young PG. I wonder how that situation shakes out.
Posted by: p1funk"

It's a good question. Because of Harris, who's only 27, the Nets might be one of the few lottery teams that would pass on Wall with the top pick.

But here's why I think they'd take Wall anyway: Harris' health. He averaged 34 minutes but missed 17 games entirely and probably should have missed another ten or fifteen when he played hurt. His rebound and assist totals were solid, and he's still a good defender, but his shooting percentage fell below 41% with 27% on 3 pointers. That's not the Devin Harris we've seen in the past.

NJ desperately needs scoring and Evan Turner is the scorer in the bunch. But young as he is, there's no player in this crop who can match Wall. He's just a force. Don't let that Kentucky loss fool you -- this young man can do things the others can't.

Posted by: Samson151 | April 17, 2010 10:37 AM | Report abuse

.1% wouldn't have made the biggest impact in the world anyways. Draft a small forward or center thats at least 6'11" 260lbs.

Posted by: jefferu | April 17, 2010 10:38 AM | Report abuse

The Wizards tried to lose that last game and got smacked twice--won the game by one point when a D-Leaguer hit the go-ahead shot (heartbreaker) and then lost the tie-breaker (dagger!). It's so much fun being a Wiz fan...

Posted by: gimmedat | April 17, 2010 10:58 AM | Report abuse

Let's say it all together: "In Grunfeld We Trust!"

Ernest Grunfeld is a genius who turned chicken feathers into chicken salad over the course of a few days. The Wizards are no longer burdened by the salaries of Jamison, Butler and Stevenson and are in fact ready to take measured steps toward greatness. Obviously, the outcome of the lottery is the most immediate factor in the success of his plan, but given time and free reign (RIP A. Pollin), our wildest expectations will be exceeded as he expertly utilizes the cap space only he could have created.

Those of you fretting over Shaun Livingston and Alonzo Gee must realize that they are mere manifestations of Ernest's keen eye for talent. They were hand-picked by him and when they depart, assuming someone overpays for Livingston's services, Grunfeld will have no difficulty unearthing other gems. If you learn nothing else, know this: Ernest Grunfeld does not bid against himself. At a time and price of his choosing, he will add the necesssary talent to this team.
Steady yourself, Wiz faithful, and Ernest will do the rest.

Posted by: melodious_thunk | April 17, 2010 11:24 AM | Report abuse

Let's say it all together: "In Grunfeld We Trust!"

Ernest Grunfeld is a genius who turned chicken feathers into chicken salad over the course of a few days. The Wizards are no longer burdened by the salaries of Jamison, Butler and Stevenson and are in fact ready to take measured steps toward greatness. Obviously, the outcome of the lottery is the most immediate factor in the success of his plan, but given time and free reign (RIP A. Pollin), our wildest expectations will be exceeded as he expertly utilizes the cap space only he could have created.

Those of you fretting over Shaun Livingston and Alonzo Gee must realize that they are mere manifestations of Ernest's keen eye for talent. They were hand-picked by him and when they depart, assuming someone overpays for Livingston's services, Grunfeld will have no difficulty unearthing other gems. If you learn nothing else, know this: Ernest Grunfeld does not bid against himself. At a time and price of his choosing, he will add the necesssary talent to this team.
Steady yourself, Wiz faithful, and Ernest will do the rest.

Posted by: melodious_thunk | April 17, 2010 11:24 AM | Report abuse


Is this a joke?

All Ernie did was clear out the roster/salary of a bunch of underperforming crapped-out duds THAT HE HIMSELF ASSEMBLED AND PAID.

And the biggest crapped-out dud that he paid - Gilbert Arenas - IS STILL WITH THE ORGANIZATION.

Posted by: p1funk | April 17, 2010 11:52 AM | Report abuse

It's a good question. Because of Harris, who's only 27, the Nets might be one of the few lottery teams that would pass on Wall with the top pick.

But here's why I think they'd take Wall anyway: Harris' health. He averaged 34 minutes but missed 17 games entirely and probably should have missed another ten or fifteen when he played hurt. His rebound and assist totals were solid, and he's still a good defender, but his shooting percentage fell below 41% with 27% on 3 pointers. That's not the Devin Harris we've seen in the past.

NJ desperately needs scoring and Evan Turner is the scorer in the bunch. But young as he is, there's no player in this crop who can match Wall. He's just a force. Don't let that Kentucky loss fool you -- this young man can do things the others can't.

Posted by: Samson151 | April 17, 2010 10:37 AM | Report abuse


Maybe if the Nets get the #1 pick and take Wall, they'd be interested in trading Devin Harris to the Wiz for our lottery pick???

That would be an interesting twist of events considering the Wiz iniitally drafted Harris (albeit on behalf of the Mavs in the AJ trade).

Posted by: p1funk | April 17, 2010 11:54 AM | Report abuse

@p1funk

Most people think Ernie signed Jamison and Arenas to those awful contracts at the strong urging of the late owner who, so the story goes, was more concerned about keeping butts in the seats than breaking up a core known to be terribly flawed and wholly incapable of winning a championship. One thing is for sure, he can't blame Pollin now.

Posted by: harrybalz | April 17, 2010 12:03 PM | Report abuse

Melodious; Ernie did what any GM with a clue should do after all it was EG who got us into this mess(overpaying for GA,AJ,).Ted Leonsis need's to get a new GM and H/C in place asap keeping Grunfeld would be a huge mistake.

Posted by: dargregmag | April 17, 2010 12:17 PM | Report abuse

Not disagreeing with you gargregmag, but if past history is any indication, TED will roll with the established infrastructure for at least a few years. The CAPS GM predates TL, and continues in that role after EIGHT years.

Posted by: glawrence007 | April 17, 2010 12:50 PM | Report abuse


Pollin was the driving force behind the disastrous signings of Jamison and Arenas. No doubt about it.
I don't have the man-crush that melodious_thunk has on him, but Grunfeld has made the most of his freedom with his maneuvers, notwithstanding his rumored attempt to trade Blatche for Charlotte's Augustin right before the trade deadline.
If we get the number one or two pick in the lottery, he can't go wrong anyway.
We'll know that our luck has truly changed if we get the number two pick in the lottery and get Turner. He's has superstar written all over him, Wall not so much IMO.

Posted by: Firuz1 | April 17, 2010 1:06 PM | Report abuse

dargremag

What H/C do you have in mind? Eddie Jordan?

Posted by: Firuz1 | April 17, 2010 1:15 PM | Report abuse

D-league players are just that, D-league players. The large majority just don't have what it takes to make the NBA. They are great players, but just not NBA material. Arguably, the best player from the D-league was Miki Moore, mediocre at best in the NBA, so don't expect more from the D-league. Livingston played in the D-league, but that was a different situation because of his injury. True everyone seems to be high on Livingston, but remember injuries and the Wizards don't mix well. Of course the Wizards D-leaguers played hard during their 10 day stints, but most people would if that was your showcase for a job. So watch out for the D-leaguers, they are full of energy, short on NBA talent, and realisticly out for themselves as evidenced by that guy that was so busy trying to prove that he could play and in the long run did not follow thru on the game plan(tank the game). Nevertheless, hopefully, the Wizards 5th position ends up being the number one pick and that D-leaguer did the best he could have done for the Wizards and in the NBA.

Posted by: Theone9 | April 17, 2010 1:57 PM | Report abuse

The figure creates an extra $2.5 million in available salary cap space for the Wizards, giving them about $21.2 million to spend on free agents or use in trades this summer. The Wizards have just six players under contract next season.

By Michael Lee | April 16, 2010; 6:15 PM ET

I know this is over the dimwitted Michael Lee's head, but the figure creates an extra $2.5 million in salary cap space for EVERY team--therefore it is not a net gain for the Wizards.

Seriously, Lee could quite possibly be the "slowest" beat reporter in Washington Post history.

Posted by: Barno1 | April 17, 2010 2:10 PM | Report abuse

I know this is over the dimwitted Michael Lee's head, but the figure creates an extra $2.5 million in salary cap space for EVERY team--therefore it is not a net gain for the Wizards.
Posted by: Barno1 | April 17, 2010 2:10 PM | Report abuse

Nowhere in the blog entry did I see Michael Lee claiming the "extra $2.5 million" ONLY for the Wizards. He says it is available to the Wizards. Of course, it isn't really extra, it's just that the salary cap estimate changed from what was estimated previously.
AFAIK,
(Salary cap minus committed payroll)plus Trade exceptions and other exceptions = available to the (name your team here) for new contracts.

Posted by: rickgonz | April 17, 2010 2:59 PM | Report abuse

Monroe Decleared for the draft today.

Monroe coming out is huge. I dont think we would take him but he makes 5 good quality maybe star type players in the draft and we could/should have a top 5 pick. Hopefully one of the others take him or if we get 5 then we still have a good trade piece. On the flip side, maybe we would take him even with Blatche. His passing would be great in our Offense and he's a lefty which is always a huge advantage. The downside is that he like alot of the FA's are all PF's which is what Dray is but you could play Dray 24min at the 4 and 12min at the 5 every game so we could still use a guy like Monroe. I dont think it would work with a star 4 but a young 4 like Greg, it would work well

Posted by: dlts2041 | April 17, 2010 3:25 PM | Report abuse

Barno1: Seriously, do you have to insult everyone all the time Lee is hardly dimwitted i'll tell you what i'd take his knowledge about what he report's on a daily basis than what you post about, show a little class and respect.

Posted by: dargregmag | April 17, 2010 5:01 PM | Report abuse

I know this is over the dimwitted Michael Lee's head, but the figure creates an extra $2.5 million in salary cap space for EVERY team--therefore it is not a net gain for the Wizards.

Seriously, Lee could quite possibly be the "slowest" beat reporter in Washington Post history.

Posted by: Barno1 | April 17, 2010 2:10 PM

Barno1, you're simply not a bright guy, are you? Nowhere does Lee write or imply that that the $2.5 million in cap space is only for the Wizards. Your post is either intellectually dishonest or honestly the best you can do. Neither scenario bodes well for you.

Posted by: Firuz1 | April 17, 2010 7:03 PM | Report abuse

The players under contract right now:

Starters:

McGEE, BLATCHE, THORNTON, YOUNG, ARENAS - ladies and gentlemen your WIZARDS starting five for 2010-2011.

Bench:

HOWARD*, FOYE, ROSS

*Injured and not expected to be able to play early next season.

Posted by: glawrence007 | April 17, 2010 9:53 PM | Report abuse

If we draft first - JOHN WALL, second EVAN TURNER, third DeMARCUS COUSINS, fourth WESLEY JOHNSON, fifth DERRICK FAVORS, sixth AL-FAROUQ AMINU, seventh COLE ALDRICH, eighth ED DAVIS or EKPE UDOH.

Posted by: glawrence007 | April 17, 2010 10:05 PM | Report abuse

"McGEE, BLATCHE, THORNTON, YOUNG, ARENAS - ladies and gentlemen your WIZARDS starting five for 2010-2011. "

In that case, is it too early to start making wild conjectures about who we should take with next year's lottery pick?

Posted by: kalo_rama | April 18, 2010 1:39 AM | Report abuse

Why is it that many still believe that Gilbert will play the point next year?

My belief is that point isn't Gilberts position. Sure he can be allowed to take control of games, but still that doesn't mean he has to be the point guard for the team.

Having Gill come back at the one is a huge mistake IMHO.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | April 18, 2010 7:42 AM | Report abuse

Well played kalo. Well played.

Posted by: sober_stinks | April 18, 2010 7:56 AM | Report abuse

Larry, I think the plan is to team Gil in the backcourt with a bigger guard that has some skills as a point and with whom Arenas can share the ballhandling responsibilities. Remember, Flip tweaked his offense a bit with a Livingston/Arenas backcourt in mind. Just because SL might not be back, there's no reason to change the philosophy. They could find that player in the draft or in free agency. Some of Gilbert's best ball as a Wizard was played when he shared the ball with Larry Hughes.

I think Flip tailoring his offense to allow for the ballhandling and playmaking to run through either of the backcourt players helps Gil keep the PG spot, in name at least. The question is whether or not the team can find the right guard to join him in the backcourt. Evan Turner would be a good fit if we look to the draft, but unless we pick at 1, that isn't going to happen. Joe Johnson would be the perfect fit if we look at a free agent, but I'm not sure a rebuilding team should dedicate what it would take to get him here in free agency to a guy that will likely be on the downside of his prime when the team is really ready to compete for a 'Ship.

Decisions, decisions, decisions.

Posted by: sober_stinks | April 18, 2010 8:04 AM | Report abuse

"McGEE, BLATCHE, THORNTON, YOUNG, ARENAS - ladies and gentlemen your WIZARDS starting five for 2010-2011. "

In that case, is it too early to start making wild conjectures about who we should take with next year's lottery pick?

Posted by: kalo_rama | April 18, 2010 1:39 AM | Report abuse

I see you don't like our situation as a fan any more than I do. I would add, perennial lottery picks to your comment.

Posted by: glawrence007 | April 18, 2010 8:14 AM | Report abuse

"Shaun Livingston...can you blame him for looking elsewhere and he can't see himself playing for Flip so unless Ted Leonsis makes some changes pronto it's bye bye Shaun.
Posted by: dargregmag"

he can't play for Flip Saunders? I'd say based on his experiences in Miami and Okla City, Flip is the coach he CAN play for.

So cite your source, please, assuming you have one.

Posted by: Samson151 | April 18, 2010 8:16 AM | Report abuse

Maybe if the Nets get the #1 pick and take Wall, they'd be interested in trading Devin Harris to the Wiz for our lottery pick???"
Posted by: p1funk"

Imagine the howling around here if Ernie trades that pick for anything less than LeBron...

Posted by: Samson151 | April 18, 2010 8:20 AM | Report abuse

Samson151: Livingston wasn't going displace Wade/Chalmers or Westbrook/Harden in terms of playing time on those teams, my statement alluded to the fact that Livingston doesn't see the Wiz as a viable team for his skill's in terms of this franchises's "upside" i'd love to see Livingston stay here but Shaun thinks there may be greener pastures elsewhere.

Posted by: dargregmag | April 18, 2010 9:42 AM | Report abuse

"my statement alluded to the fact that Livingston doesn't see the Wiz as a viable team for his skill's in terms of this franchises's "upside" i'd love to see Livingston stay here but Shaun thinks there may be greener pastures elsewhere.Posted by: dargregmag"

So what does any of that have to do with Flip Saunders? Nothing, it seems.

Posted by: Samson151 | April 18, 2010 9:59 AM | Report abuse

arenas may be the reason livingston isnt keen on staying. He's a pg not a hybrid2 and would probably prefer the chance to run an offense somewhere else.

Posted by: divi3 | April 18, 2010 11:10 AM | Report abuse

"McGEE, BLATCHE, THORNTON, YOUNG, ARENAS - ladies and gentlemen your WIZARDS starting five for 2010-2011. "

Hopefully we can upgrade on Thornton.

Posted by: divi3 | April 18, 2010 11:11 AM | Report abuse

@sober_stinks,

That makes good sense. The guard playing with Gill would have to be strong mentally though and truely aware of what his responsibility to the team is if Gill is actually going to carry the point guard tag.

The coaching and the players would also have to understand the unconventiality of the situation.

As you say, this worked quite well with Larry Hughes. It was a pushing attacking guard combo play.

However, in the end though, Larry Hughes is really an attack guard like Gilbert to some degree, not a true point guard.

They both ran the offense but not in true point guard mode.

Though I understand and can agree with your point even with Flip adjusting his system, I still think that for good cohesion and to make this Team truly competitive with Gilbert, that a true point guard and one especially of the caliber of SL would have to be designated the point guard for the Team.

And lastly, if you really look back, Larry Hughes could not be said to be a better point guard player than Gilbert was but their forte was in that both of them attacked well together.

So, when you bring a real adepth point player in the mix, I think that guy has to play the point and move Gilbert to the two and let him attack.

Lest we forget he is damn good at it.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | April 18, 2010 11:20 AM | Report abuse

I see you don't like our situation as a fan any more than I do. I would add, perennial lottery picks to your comment.

Posted by: glawrence007 | April 18, 2010 8:14 AM

But isnt that what we're supposed to do in rebuild, so we can emulate Atlanta and other teams? Put a young group out there, let them play and grow together (while losing), then parlay the picks into more talent?

Posted by: divi3 | April 18, 2010 11:22 AM | Report abuse

also, I'd enjoy watching this lineup next season and think if Gil isnt totally ruined it could compete with other starting lineups in the East assuming Flip continues to coach guys into play some D

Gil
NY
Gay
AB
JM(if he can beat out random FA)

Posted by: divi3 | April 18, 2010 11:27 AM | Report abuse

arenas may be the reason livingston isnt keen on staying. He's a pg not a hybrid2 and would probably prefer the chance to run an offense somewhere else.

Posted by: divi3 | April 18, 2010 11:10 AM

I agree, If I were him I'd certainly think I would feel just as you've pointed out Divi3.

If SL truly is the real deal and he knows it, there isn't any good reason to have him playing the two while Gilbert Arenas is average at best as a point guard.

I think people are too hung up on Gilbert playing point because of his size and lack of D'.

But I'd rather have Gilbert with all the things that he can do on the court offensively playing the two especially with a first rate point guard and a tall one like SL.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | April 18, 2010 11:32 AM | Report abuse

Samson151: Read!!!!!! between the lines if Livingston thought Flip was a good coach he wouldn't have been so vague in answering, when quizzed about where he would be next season, listen the Wiz do have an upside(cap space,draft picks) that being stated Shaun doesn't see Flip as the head coach of this franchise next season.

Posted by: dargregmag | April 18, 2010 11:33 AM | Report abuse

I see you don't like our situation as a fan any more than I do. I would add, perennial lottery picks to your comment.

Posted by: glawrence007 | April 18, 2010 8:14 AM

But isnt that what we're supposed to do in rebuild, so we can emulate Atlanta and other teams? Put a young group out there, let them play and grow together (while losing), then parlay the picks into more talent?

Posted by: divi3

Nah, we're supposed to overpay a bunch of FA names that sound good and hope we can score 140 a game.

Posted by: ts35 | April 18, 2010 11:49 AM | Report abuse

I see you don't like our situation as a fan any more than I do. I would add, perennial lottery picks to your comment.

Posted by: glawrence007 | April 18, 2010 8:14 AM

But isnt that what we're supposed to do in rebuild, so we can emulate Atlanta and other teams? Put a young group out there, let them play and grow together (while losing), then parlay the picks into more talent?

Posted by: divi3 | April 18, 2010 11:22 AM | Report abuse

Live in hope divi3, live in hope. And the HAWKS are the exact model I had in mind when I posted that.

Posted by: glawrence007 | April 18, 2010 12:15 PM | Report abuse

also, I'd enjoy watching this lineup next season and think if Gil isnt totally ruined it could compete with other starting lineups in the East assuming Flip continues to coach guys into play some D

Gil
NY
Gay
AB
JM(if he can beat out random FA)

Posted by: divi3 | April 18, 2010 11:27 AM | Report abuse

Gay would be a good addition but he turned down a $55 million contract so he will be expecting a bigger contract this summer. Do you believe that a) he is deserving of a lucrative long term commitment, b) that he will choose to come to a moribound franchise considering he will have plenty of suitors (and the home cooking argument is comical so please don't use it), c) that the Wiz are actually willing to spend money this summer.

Posted by: Utilityman1 | April 18, 2010 12:20 PM | Report abuse

Gunfield has to go. He gave Butler, Haywood, and Jamison away for free. He took Foye/Miller over Jennings, Curry and Evans. (And don't forget that Foye and Miller will probably leave). What's the point of cap space if nobody wants to come here?

Posted by: nadeemsx | April 18, 2010 1:13 PM | Report abuse

nadeemsx: You're 100% correct Grunfeld should be packing his bags asap and as soon as he's done he can run over to Flip's house and help him get his belongings together so they can both leave at the same time by the way he did get a 1st round pick for Jamison.

Posted by: dargregmag | April 18, 2010 2:27 PM | Report abuse

Does anybody have any idea when Ted is actually going to take over?

All this specualution without knowing when we start to turn this thing around in earnest is neurotic without the new owner in place.

Does anybody have any good info?

It doesn't appear to be on Mike Lee's plate.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | April 18, 2010 3:02 PM | Report abuse

LiCM,

Reading Lee's piece on the Pollin family today....I didn't get the sense that this was a done deal. Talking about it, Robert Pollin used "ifs" not "whens". Which is not to say that it won't ultimately get done, just that they are still posturing and negotiating, which to me says that it isn't on the near horizon.

I don't know if the Caps playoff run affects the time table at all either. It shouldn't, but you never know.

There's still plenty of time. The draft and the opening of FA aren't for a couple of months.

Posted by: ts35 | April 18, 2010 3:19 PM | Report abuse

TS35,

I read the article. Thanks. It appears dosen't it that the Pollins relish letting go and you can't really blame them.

It seems like Robert might want to retain some type of stake in ownership. Though he realizes they must sell according to the agreement, he seems not adverse to having a stake in ownership.

You know that Bob Johnson still has a minor ownership stake in the Bobcats. This might be the further unsaid negotiations being alluded too.

Whatever it is, I hope they get it done already.

You know this could be palatable to Ted Leonsis, for if the Pollins would like to retain a minority piece then it further reduces the funds that Ted would have to come up with.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | April 18, 2010 3:53 PM | Report abuse

The question may be how much Leonsis actually wants to own the Wizards at this point too. Obviously he would like the Verizon Center, maybe it's a question of how much of the Wiz he has to take to get the VC.

Posted by: ts35 | April 18, 2010 4:21 PM | Report abuse

"Samson151: Read!!!!!! between the lines if Livingston thought Flip was a good coach he wouldn't have been so vague in answering, when quizzed about where he would be next season, listen the Wiz do have an upside(cap space,draft picks) that being stated Shaun doesn't see Flip as the head coach of this franchise next season."

Did Livingston tell you that himself or did it just ome to you psychically over the special bond you share?

What a monumental load of nonsense.

Posted by: kalo_rama | April 18, 2010 4:39 PM | Report abuse

"Nah, we're supposed to overpay a bunch of FA names that sound good and hope we can score 140 a game."

Rudy Gay for the max, baby! And don't forget Haslem. He's a walking championship waiting to happen.

Posted by: kalo_rama | April 18, 2010 4:45 PM | Report abuse

ts & kalo, I think sarcasm doesn't come over very well when you type. People will believe you were serious in your comments about overpaid FAs, and then second the thought. hahahaha!

Posted by: rickgonz | April 18, 2010 7:24 PM | Report abuse

"Let's say it all together: "In Grunfeld We Trust!"

Yeah right dude. Not.

"Does anybody have any idea when Ted is actually going to take over?"

I sure hope soon so he can put the "curse" behind the franchise. If EG is still in place for the draft he might trade whatever pick away for Slinky and a bucket of KFC and swear it's the best thing for the franchise.

Drafting is NOT at the top of EG's resume.

"You know this could be palatable to Ted Leonsis, for if the Pollins would like to retain a minority piece then it further reduces the funds that Ted would have to come up with."

The Pollin's need to just go away, I'm tired of looking at them. Ted and his buddies have the money, they just need to finish the deal.

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | April 18, 2010 7:51 PM | Report abuse

"Right now, today, I can't get excited about this draft until I know if Ted is going to be in charge by then."

I feel the exact same way Larry.

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | April 18, 2010 7:53 PM | Report abuse

ts & kalo, I think sarcasm doesn't come over very well when you type....
Posted by: rickgonz | April 18, 2010 7:24 PM

you can tell kal was being sarcastic by the fact he actually named some players.

Posted by: divi3 | April 18, 2010 10:24 PM | Report abuse

You can tell I was being sarcastic because I named players you said the Wizards should get.

Posted by: kalo_rama | April 19, 2010 12:10 AM | Report abuse

And don't forget Haslem. He's a walking championship waiting to happen.

Posted by: kalo_rama | April 18, 2010 4:45 PM | Report abuse


....but...he ...........does have a championship right?

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | April 19, 2010 9:57 AM | Report abuse

GRUNFELD GO AWAY!!!

Gunfield has to go. He gave Butler, Haywood, and Jamison away for free. He took Foye/Miller over Jennings, Curry and Evans. (And don't forget that Foye and Miller will probably leave). What's the point of cap space if nobody wants to come here?

Posted by: nadeemsx | April 18, 2010 1:13 PM |

nadeemsx: You're 100% correct Grunfeld should be packing his bags asap and as soon as he's done he can run over to Flip's house and help him get his belongings together so they can both leave at the same time by the way he did get a 1st round pick for Jamison.

Posted by: dargregmag | April 18, 2010 2:27 PM

AMEN

Posted by: horace1 | April 19, 2010 10:34 AM | Report abuse

Golden State will get the #1 pick and the Wiz will get the 8th pick.

Posted by: millineumman | April 19, 2010 10:40 AM | Report abuse

No, no, we lost the tie-breaker for the 4/5 slots. This means we WIN the lottery and take JOHNWALL with the first pick. YEAH!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: glawrence007 | April 19, 2010 11:00 AM | Report abuse

Last year I wa screaming Blake (before balls)& Tyreke......This year it's Walls, Evans in that order. OK I missed on Curry too, & jury still out on Blake, but we have to get one these guys. Law of average ! Fingers Crossed....

Posted by: bossclifnpooh2 | April 19, 2010 3:49 PM | Report abuse

Last year I was screaming Blake (before balls)& Tyreke......This year it's Walls, Evans in that order. OK I missed on Curry too, & jury still out on Blake, but we have to get one these guys. Law of average ! Fingers Crossed....

Posted by: bossclifnpooh2 | April 19, 2010 3:50 PM | Report abuse

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