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Butler looks back, Stern looks forward

Morning brew

Former Wizard Caron Butler talked to Michael Lee about this tumultuous season. (In Saturday's newspaper, Frederick native Michael Beasley spoke about his rocky season in Miami.)

Last night, NBA Commissioner David Stern said he expects Ted Leonsis to take over Wizards "by the end of the month." Mike Jones says fans want Leonsis to change the team's name back to the Bullets.

Stern was in Cleveland to present LeBron James with the Maurice Podoloff trophy as the league's most valuable player.

And Michael Lee was in Cleveland to witness Rajon Rondo (19 assist) leading the Celtics to a 104-86 victory over the Cavs, tying the series at a game apiece.

In Phoenix, the Suns won the first game of their series against the San Antonio Spurs, 111-102. For Sunday's newspaper, Michael Wilbon said this matchup "might just be the most entertaining series in these playoffs."

Look below for highlights of last night's games, courtesy of NBA.com.

By Alexa Steele  |  May 4, 2010; 9:41 AM ET
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Comments

Caron exhibits a trait that has been a staple of Redskins players for years now....stinking up the joint yet talking about how good you (and the team) really are and apparently believing it despite every indication to the contrary.

Posted by: divi3 | May 4, 2010 10:16 AM | Report abuse

Butler, failed to adjust to Coach Flip Saunders's point guard-centered offense after thriving under Eddie Jordan's Princeton offense, which requires more playmaking from forwards.


How can a coach have a point guard-centered offense without a point guard?

Wait....Flip was Ernie's guy and passed on Jennings who would have fit into Flip's sysytem?

I trust Ernie will trade his high first round picks for versatile vets who refuse to play "D", sell his 2nd round picks, sign bad free agents, and get fleeced in his trades.

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | May 4, 2010 10:21 AM | Report abuse

In his article Mike Jones points out that changing the name back to Bullets might be good because the name Wizards now equates to bad luck or laughing stock. Not disputing that, but I don't think the phrase is Curse of Les Wizardes....so it's not like Bullets is untarnished with failure.

I honestly don't care between Bullets and Wizards, but I don't think they should change the name to a third choice (unless it was really cool, and I haven't heard any of those, at least that aren't already in use).

Posted by: ts35 | May 4, 2010 10:24 AM | Report abuse

In his article Mike Jones points out that changing the name back to Bullets might be good because the name Wizards now equates to bad luck or laughing stock. Not disputing that, but I don't think the phrase is Curse of Les Wizardes....so it's not like Bullets is untarnished with failure.

I honestly don't care between Bullets and Wizards, but I don't think they should change the name to a third choice (unless it was really cool, and I haven't heard any of those, at least that aren't already in use).

Posted by: ts35 | May 4, 2010 10:24 AM | Report abuse

Wait....Flip was Ernie's guy and passed on Jennings who would have fit into Flip's sysytem?

I trust Ernie will trade his high first round picks for versatile vets who refuse to play "D", sell his 2nd round picks, sign bad free agents, and get fleeced in his trades.

Posted by: bulletsfan78

Well, he would either have never played, or would have been the NBA's shortest shooting guard while Gil was dribbling the air out of the ball.

Posted by: ts35 | May 4, 2010 10:27 AM | Report abuse

Gil mighta shot BJ.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | May 4, 2010 10:30 AM | Report abuse

KG back to back 18 and 10 games?

AJ's lack of "D" is making KG look young again.

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | May 4, 2010 10:35 AM | Report abuse

yeah, KGs 8-21 shooting sure looked good.

Posted by: divi3 | May 4, 2010 10:38 AM | Report abuse

ts35

That's another problem I have with Ernie, he believed Gil could become a point guard in the NBA?

Ernie would rather have versatile players versus position players

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | May 4, 2010 10:39 AM | Report abuse

if we had jennings you'd be saying he was too short and not a "true" pg

Posted by: divi3 | May 4, 2010 10:42 AM | Report abuse

It looked a lot better then the 3-12 game he had when AB was on him...

http://www.nba.com/games/20100409/WASBOS/gameinfo.html#nbaGIboxscore

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | May 4, 2010 10:43 AM | Report abuse

Are you saying AB is a baller??? Good thing EG picked him huh?

Posted by: divi3 | May 4, 2010 10:46 AM | Report abuse

Leonsis, Grunfeld and Saunders.

Leonsis has turned the Caps into a winning franchise. His team is young and you know they're going to get better. Grunfeld has turned around and won with three franchises. He brought three guys to the Wizards who had never accomplished anything and watched them blossom into all stars who gave the city hope. That's vision, folks. Saunders has won with two different franchises. Toward the end of the season you could see that the players finally understood that playing time is earned with hard work (something that the fans appreciated) and leaving it all on the floor. We have a top-notch coach now, as opposed to a coach who regrettably has done nothing but lose when he wasn't in Washington benefitting from the low-hanging fruit provided by one Ernest Grunfeld.

Just think about the possibilities with that trio. The future is bright indeed!!


Posted by: melodious_thunk | May 4, 2010 10:47 AM | Report abuse

Didn't see the game, but in the highlights, they showed back-to-back clips of KG abusing AJ in the low post. AJ was 'fronting' KG. Either there was supposed to be weak side help that never came, or AJ never figured out that if you front a guy, you're actually supposed to prevent the pass from coming in.

The also showed Rondo's sick, show-the-ball, spin-back-for-a-baby-hook. Given his propensity and ability to spin, AB needs to work on this move because a) it's effective and b) it makes your opponent look really silly (like the two Cavs who went flying by Rondo).

Posted by: ts35 | May 4, 2010 10:52 AM | Report abuse

You can't win with some people.
If the Wiz had drafted Blair, bulletsfan78 would be openly complaining about how shortsighted Ernie was to draft a 6'7" PF/C with bad knees and a history of weight problems.

Posted by: Firuz1 | May 4, 2010 10:53 AM | Report abuse

if we had jennings you'd be saying he was too short and not a "true" pg

Posted by: divi3 | May 4, 2010 10:42 AM | Report abuse

Wrong because he was a point guard at the Oak Hill Academy, Mouth Of Wilson, VA.

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | May 4, 2010 10:54 AM | Report abuse

if we had jennings you'd be saying he was too short and not a "true" pg

Posted by: divi3 | May 4, 2010 10:42 AM | Report abuse

Wrong because he was a point guard at the Oak Hill Academy, Mouth Of Wilson, VA.

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | May 4, 2010 10:58 AM | Report abuse

You can't win with some people.
If the Wiz had drafted Blair, bulletsfan78 would be openly complaining about how shortsighted Ernie was to draft a 6'7" PF/C with bad knees and a history of weight problems.

Posted by: Firuz1 | May 4, 2010 10:53 AM | Report abuse

I guess you didn't read any of my posts on draft day since I was on here saying the Wizards needed a guy who can bang and get rebounds.

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | May 4, 2010 11:03 AM | Report abuse

As bad as it turns out for the franchise to have hired Jordan before Grunfield, it has turned out that Grunfield's decision to hire Tapps with Saunders in waiting was even worse.

And though it appeared that Saunders was the right fit for a quote veteran Team, so far, Saunders was not the right hire.

Jennings it seems would fit a point guard controlled team like Saunders wants, but the irony of it all is that Saunders wants traditional veteran players and probably would not have given Jennings a fair chance anyhows, cause he's a rookie.

Sure, most said that the team had to be blown up because of the Gunfight at the VC, but did we really need to do it with a coach that has never proven that he can build and make a young team competitive.

I surely hope that I am wrong about Flip Saunders, but young studs is not his game.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | May 4, 2010 11:03 AM | Report abuse

Are you saying AB is a baller??? Good thing EG picked him huh?

Posted by: divi3 | May 4, 2010 10:46 AM | Report abuse

No, I'm saying AJ sucks on "D" and he makes KG look good.

I have said more then once AB played good once he got some playing time.

If EG believed in his own draft picks why didn't he tell ETaps to play him last year instead of playing AJ 40 mins a game during a 19 win season?

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | May 4, 2010 11:07 AM | Report abuse

Why does Ernie Grunfeld deserve to keep his job? What does Ernie Grunfeld have to show for his 7 years as the Wizards General Manager?

Posted by: closg | May 4, 2010 11:09 AM | Report abuse

I guess you didn't read any of my posts on draft day since I was on here saying the Wizards needed a guy who can bang and get rebounds.

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | May 4, 2010 11:03 AM |

Did you say a 6'7" PF/C with bad knees and a history of weight problems?

Posted by: Firuz1 | May 4, 2010 11:10 AM | Report abuse

I remember Leonsis inherited GM George McPhee.. I believe Grunfeld is better (although I despised his trades but knew it was at the request from the Pollin family) and Saunders is definitely a gift from Abe.

Posted by: RedCherokee | May 4, 2010 11:15 AM | Report abuse

That's another problem I have with Ernie, he believed Gil could become a point guard in the NBA?

Ernie would rather have versatile players versus position players

Posted by: bulletsfan78

That's not an EG problem, that's an NBA problem. There are fewer and fewer true PGs. Teams would rather reach for 6'4" athletes they hope can play PG instead of guys like Lawson, Collison, Rondo, and Chalmers who actually play point.

No question Gil is a score-first guy, but he does have the capability to be a PG if he chooses to be, as well as be a good defender if he chooses to be, but let's just say I'm not holding my breath for either.

I think everyone, the team included, is pretty much on board with the kind of guy you have to pair with Gil in the backcourt to make him effective as a 1. You need a legit combo 2 who can handle some of the PG duties as well. Gil was at his most effective when he was paired with Larry Hughes, a combo guard that teams hoped would be a big PG when he came out of college.

I think they were hoping that Foye was that kind of player. He had played some 1 and some 2 in Minnesota. Clearly he disappointed a bit this year, but it was such a weird year for him. He started out well, then got hurt, then they fell in love with Earl, then Foye came back and became the starting 1 and struggled (along with everyone else, mind you) and then Livingston came in.

I think Foye is a better player than he showed this year, but he's probably not the right fit for Gil. Obviously in the draft, Turner is the guy most of us look at as the right kind of fit. Maybe Joe Johnson in FA. Pairing Gil with Wade (he's not coming here, just talking hypothetically) could be awesome, or could be a disaster.

It's also part of the reason Crittendon was brought in. He's (supposed to be) a big PG. He probably could have ultimately paired well with Gil if a) he could hit a jump shot and b) they didn't try to shoot each other (ok, they didn't really).

It will be interesting to see what they try to do there. Some of it probably depends on what Livingston does. I think they like SL enough to sign him first if they can and not worry about how he pairs with Gil. But failing that, I'm curious to see if they try to sign or draft another combo type to pair with him. Or see if Uncle Ted gives Critter another chance. In line with his quote, maybe he sits down with Gil and Crit over some video games and brokers a lasting peace.

Posted by: ts35 | May 4, 2010 11:16 AM | Report abuse

Firuz1

I said the Wizards should have drafted Blair with their 2nd round pick instead of selling it to Houston to off set going over the luxury cap!

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | May 4, 2010 11:18 AM | Report abuse

In line with his quote, maybe he sits down with Gil and Crit over some video games and brokers a lasting peace.

Posted by: ts35 | May 4, 2010 11:16 AM | Report abuse

Maybe Ted should bring in Jimmy Carter?

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | May 4, 2010 11:23 AM | Report abuse

In line with his quote, maybe he sits down with Gil and Crit over some video games and brokers a lasting peace.

Posted by: ts35 | May 4, 2010 11:16 AM | Report abuse

Maybe Ted should bring in Jimmy Carter?

Posted by: bulletsfan78

I don't know if that would help, that guy can only go to his left.

Posted by: ts35 | May 4, 2010 11:30 AM | Report abuse

But, the bottom line in all of this is with the fact that David Stern clearly realizes that Ted should be in place before the June draft because there has been bad, bad, decision making in the past with the current bunch.

The NBA clearly wants this team to do better now.

Top down leadership from Ted Leonsis must shape the focus a new President, or the old one, the GM and the coach. I think in Ted's case we need the third guy.

I just can't see us continueing with just Ernie and Flip if they aren't being replaced this year.

LarryInCllintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | May 4, 2010 11:51 AM | Report abuse

What current "bunch", Larry?

The biggest decision-maker (may he rest in peace) of the bunch is no longer with the team.

Posted by: Firuz1 | May 4, 2010 11:57 AM | Report abuse

"Caron exhibits a trait that has been a staple of Redskins players for years now....stinking up the joint yet talking about how good you (and the team) really are and apparently believing it despite every indication to the contrary."

100% agree.

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | May 4, 2010 11:58 AM | Report abuse

"I said the Wizards should have drafted Blair with their 2nd round pick instead of selling it to Houston to off set going over the luxury cap!"

He did, and so did a lot of other people on here, which is what kills me about EG.

I hope he gets the boot personally.

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | May 4, 2010 12:04 PM | Report abuse

"Caron exhibits a trait that has been a staple of Redskins players for years now....stinking up the joint yet talking about how good you (and the team) really are and apparently believing it despite every indication to the contrary."

That's been a staple of pro athletes on bad teams everywhere for years.

Posted by: kalo_rama | May 4, 2010 12:19 PM | Report abuse

"It will be interesting to see what they try to do there. Some of it probably depends on what Livingston does. I think they like SL enough to sign him first if they can and not worry about how he pairs with Gil. But failing that, I'm curious to see if they try to sign or draft another combo type to pair with him. Or see if Uncle Ted gives Critter another chance. In line with his quote, maybe he sits down with Gil and Crit over some video games and brokers a lasting peace."

I can't see any good basketball reason to keep Crittenton. There are probably comparable or better backup caliber PGs to be had for relatively cheap, guys who have a better chance of coming and producing right away. Crittenton was a project to begin with, and sitting out the whole season (first due to injury, then the suspension) probably puts him even further back on the development scale than he was before the season started. Time to move on.

Posted by: kalo_rama | May 4, 2010 12:23 PM | Report abuse

Point well taken Firuz1, but since the passing of Mr. Pollin there has been plenty of decision making and coaching that folks haven't been jumping up and down about.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | May 4, 2010 12:24 PM | Report abuse

I can't see any good basketball reason to keep Crittenton. There are probably comparable or better backup caliber PGs to be had for relatively cheap, guys who have a better chance of coming and producing right away. Crittenton was a project to begin with, and sitting out the whole season (first due to injury, then the suspension) probably puts him even further back on the development scale than he was before the season started. Time to move on.

Posted by: kalo_rama

Agreed. It's not like that type is particularly uncommon these days either. And from a basketball development standpoint, Crit is better off playing in the D-league or Europe (if he can) anyway, where he can get more PT. Just idle musings on my part. He's not under contract (as of July 1), so I can't see them making the effort to resign him under all of the circumstances.

Posted by: ts35 | May 4, 2010 12:40 PM | Report abuse

doesnt explain why caron was so bad the year before though. his bad habits and selfishness manifested before flip came to town.

Posted by: PindarPushkin | May 4, 2010 1:10 PM | Report abuse

Hard to believe we're still doing post-mortems on the erstwhile Big Three. Two of them are long gone and the third hasn't played in months. I wonder if there's a statute of limitations on it. Probably not. It's as if we've got Irish Alzheimer's -- we forget everything but the resentments.

Posted by: Samson151 | May 4, 2010 1:22 PM | Report abuse

Butler is a good not great player who struggles when he tries to do too much. his role as the 3rd of the Big 3 was perfectly suited for him, But when one he was asked to step up the pecking order (both here and in Dallas) his flaws and limitations were laid bare.

Posted by: kalo_rama | May 4, 2010 1:26 PM | Report abuse

"we forget everything but the resentments"

No resentment here. They were fun to watch and made the team competitive and relevant again in the NBA. Thanks for the memories, guys.

Posted by: kalo_rama | May 4, 2010 1:30 PM | Report abuse

As we approach the draft lottery, remember Ernie Grunfeld's great pearls of wisdom from the last draft:

"I didn't feel like there was anybody at the five spot who could fit into our rotation," Grunfeld said. "I don't think there are any guarantees in the draft and people are saying this is a weaker draft than normal, so for us to be able to turn the No. 5 pick into two players who can help us immediately and help us for years to come, we felt very good about it."

Grunfeld added that it wasn't necessary to wait and see which player fell to the team at No. 5. "We knew who was going to be at the five spot and we felt that these players were going to help us a lot more than anybody we would've gotten in the draft," Grunfeld said. "A lot of times what happens, when you wait on situations, the other team might get better offers along the way. Then the trade might go away. We felt good about this."

^^^^
Ernie Grunfeld should be in-charge of our re-building???? FIRE HIM, get the word to Ted people.

Posted by: closg | May 4, 2010 2:29 PM | Report abuse

pretty much everywhere outside this board the trade for Miller/Foye was lauded as a good move that potentially benefited both teams. Funny both look like losers now though

Posted by: divi3 | May 4, 2010 2:56 PM | Report abuse

closg

Haven't you been reading melodious_thunk insightful posts?

Ernie didn't really say it...Abe was a ventriloquist and Ernie is the dummy!

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | May 4, 2010 2:57 PM | Report abuse

"Grunfeld added that it wasn't necessary to wait and see which player fell to the team at No.5"

Put things in context before the GA suspension and before all rookie first team came out. In Euroleague Jennings averaged 7.6 pts 1.6 assists on 38.7% FG in 17.6 mins. At that moment before he had a 55pt game against Golden State would you take a gamble on a 6ft 1" point guard when you have a 3 time all star with something to prove (not knowing he would whip out guns)

The point was the wizards AT THAT TIME did not need a point guard.

Posted by: jefferu | May 4, 2010 3:00 PM | Report abuse

The point was the wizards AT THAT TIME did not need a point guard.

Posted by: jefferu | May 4, 2010 3:00 PM | Report abuse

Since Gil isn't a point guard why didn't they need one?

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | May 4, 2010 3:27 PM | Report abuse

"The point was the wizards AT THAT TIME did not need a point guard. "

Exactly.

Posted by: kalo_rama | May 4, 2010 3:28 PM | Report abuse

Jennings went 10th in the draft and the same people now lamenting we didnt pick him at 5th would have crucified EG for passing on Ricky Menudo had we taken Jennings on draft day.

If we did have Jennings this year, we'd still have sucked and many would say EG had drafted another tweener. Score-first guy too small to play 2, but without enough of an assist mentality for a 1.

Meanwhile the whole time I'd have been repeatedly posting that Haywood sucks. Oh wait, I did do that.

Posted by: divi3 | May 4, 2010 3:31 PM | Report abuse

Since Gil isn't a point guard why didn't they need one?

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | May 4, 2010 3:27 PM

Arenas averaged more pts, assists, rebounds, and had a higher FG% than Jennings this year....but you're all over Jennings as the answer because what? EG didnt draft him?

Posted by: divi3 | May 4, 2010 3:37 PM | Report abuse

"The point was the wizards AT THAT TIME did not need a point guard. "

Exactly.

Posted by: kalo_rama | May 4, 2010 3:28 PM | Report abuse

That's a losing organization's mentality.

If you or Ernie were running the Spurs you wouldn't have drafted Hill or Blair since they have Duncan and Parker?

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | May 4, 2010 3:39 PM | Report abuse

It'll be interesting to see where Haywood lands. He didn't exactly cover himself with glory during his Dallas run, so it's hardly a given that they re-sign him. And the myth of him as a difference-making defender may have been debunked. Ironically, going to a better team may have narrowed his options more than if he'd stayed on the Wiz and continued to put up moderately decent numbers on a crap team.

Posted by: kalo_rama | May 4, 2010 3:39 PM | Report abuse

"If you or Ernie were running the Spurs you wouldn't have drafted Hill or Blair since they have Duncan and Parker?"

Hill and Blair were late first and second round picks, taken to be backups. Both of them exceeded almost all expectations. Jennings was a lottery pick, drafted with the intention of being a starter. Teams don't draft a rookie to start at a position where you already have a young-ish All-Star earning max money. Conversely, they don't intentionally draft a backup with a lottery pick.

In other words . . . you're full of crap as usual.

Posted by: kalo_rama | May 4, 2010 3:43 PM | Report abuse

"but you're all over Jennings as the answer because what? EG didnt draft him?"

Exactly.

Posted by: kalo_rama | May 4, 2010 3:44 PM | Report abuse

Arenas averaged more pts, assists, rebounds, and had a higher FG% than Jennings this year....but you're all over Jennings as the answer because what? EG didnt draft him?

Posted by: divi3 | May 4, 2010 3:37 PM | Report abuse

No, because I've beeen saying all along Gil is a shooting guard in a point guards body.

Jennings may be a scoring point giard but considering he was a point guard most of his life it's an innate trait versus something Gil is still trying to learn.

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | May 4, 2010 3:47 PM | Report abuse

In other words . . . you're full of crap as usual.

Posted by: kalo_rama | May 4, 2010 3:43 PM | Report abuse


The Spurs drafted a center out of Wake Forest even though they had David Robinson?

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | May 4, 2010 3:54 PM | Report abuse

"I said the Wizards should have drafted Blair with their 2nd round pick instead of selling it to Houston to off set going over the luxury cap!"

He did, and so did a lot of other people on here, which is what kills me about EG.

I hope he gets the boot personally.

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | May 4, 2010 12:04 PM | Report abuse

yes that should have been good,do we have to continue to complain about that for 2 seasons in a raw?there are more Blair's in the draft this season.I think we have to let it go.

Posted by: gtefferra | May 4, 2010 4:01 PM | Report abuse

I'm a Jennings fan, but I confess I don't see him as a 'natural' PG, the way Chris Paul is, or Rajon Rondo has shown himself to be in Boston's DDM offense. IMO he's first and foremost a scorer. He shot the three far better than most people expected, which helps draw the defender out so he can scoot by. He's got a little Iverson in him in the sense that he can get the ball into the basket while taking some contact. That's why I think on a stronger team he would be just as comfortable coming off the bench and pouring in points. That would also help offset some of his defensive shortcomings.

But wherever you put him, he's a force on the court.

Posted by: Samson151 | May 4, 2010 4:02 PM | Report abuse

"there are more Blair's in the draft this season.I think we have to let it go.
Posted by: gtefferra"

Clearly not an Irishman.

Posted by: Samson151 | May 4, 2010 4:03 PM | Report abuse

"I said the Wizards should have drafted Blair with their 2nd round pick instead of selling it to Houston to off set going over the luxury cap!"

He did, and so did a lot of other people on here, which is what kills me about EG.

I hope he gets the boot personally.

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | May 4, 2010 12:04 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: gtefferra | May 4, 2010 4:05 PM | Report abuse

As we approach the draft lottery, remember Ernie Grunfeld's great pearls of wisdom from the last draft:

"I didn't feel like there was anybody at the five spot who could fit into our rotation," Grunfeld said. "I don't think there are any guarantees in the draft and people are saying this is a weaker draft than normal, so for us to be able to turn the No. 5 pick into two players who can help us immediately and help us for years to come, we felt very good about it."

Grunfeld added that it wasn't necessary to wait and see which player fell to the team at No. 5. "We knew who was going to be at the five spot and we felt that these players were going to help us a lot more than anybody we would've gotten in the draft," Grunfeld said. "A lot of times what happens, when you wait on situations, the other team might get better offers along the way. Then the trade might go away. We felt good about this."

^^^^
Ernie Grunfeld should be in-charge of our re-building???? FIRE HIM, get the word to Ted people.

Posted by: closg | May 4, 2010 2:29 PM | Report abuse

Yes he said all but that is what he has to say. we all know the purpose,it is working now.If that trade was not done we would have been forced to see the so called trio's again.

Posted by: gtefferra | May 4, 2010 4:10 PM | Report abuse

Teams don't draft a rookie to start at a position where you already have a young-ish All-Star earning max money. Conversely, they don't intentionally draft a backup with a lottery pick.

In other words . . . you're full of crap as usual.

Posted by: kalo_rama | May 4, 2010 3:43 PM | Report abuse

The Spurs drafted a center out of Wake Forest even though they had David Robinson?

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | May 4, 2010 4:26 PM | Report abuse

"The point was the wizards AT THAT TIME did not need a point guard. "

Exactly.

Posted by: kalo_rama | May 4, 2010 3:28 PM | Report abuse
...........................................

Not even the current manangement drafts based upon need, you draft base on best talent available, so that point is moot.

The Wizards had a former allstar returning from multiple knee surgeries and his back-up was a mediocre non-shooting guard on his way out of the league. Ernie Grunfeld FAILED to see or plan for the future, that's what the draft is for.

The best-run NBA teams are always looking for the best talent. This GM would rather over-pay for an over-the-hill Orberto than take a chance when someone like DeJuan Blair is available.

Posted by: closg | May 4, 2010 4:27 PM | Report abuse

How about changing the name to "Ballots" (or maybe some would prefer "Bailouts")? Could use the old Bullets logo and colors w/o offending anyone. Anything is better than Wizards...

Posted by: truke | May 4, 2010 4:27 PM | Report abuse

The best-run NBA teams are always looking for the best talent. This GM would rather over-pay for an over-the-hill Orberto than take a chance when someone like DeJuan Blair is available.

Posted by: closg | May 4, 2010 4:27 PM | Report abuse

The Wizards haven't been one of the best-run teams. Compared to the resources other teams put into basketball operations, the Wizards have been one of the worst. Grunfeld has mostly played to his strengths by using trades and free agency to build the team. The Wizards don't have the necessary scouting department to take advantage of the draft.

Posted by: djnnnou | May 4, 2010 4:39 PM | Report abuse

The Spurs drafted a center out of Wake Forest even though they had David Robinson?
Posted by: bulletsfan78

No, they drafted someone who played PF next to him while The Admiral was still in the league.

Posted by: ts35 | May 4, 2010 4:41 PM | Report abuse

If you want to rename the Wizards, please sign the petition at http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/wizards/

The petition is in support of renaming the team, and it does not advocate any particular name. Ted Leonsis is famous for listening to the fans so express your opinion and please spread the word!

Posted by: emmet1 | May 4, 2010 4:44 PM | Report abuse

And is there any particular reason we are still harping on Jennings?

Is there any evidence that they would have taken Jennings had they kept the pick?

If not, can we now divide our time equally between harping about not taking Rururubio, Flynn, Curry, DeRozan, Williams, Henderson and Hansborough?

Posted by: ts35 | May 4, 2010 4:48 PM | Report abuse

The petition is in support of renaming the team, and it does not advocate any particular name. Ted Leonsis is famous for listening to the fans so express your opinion and please spread the word!

Rebranding the team is the last thing Ted should be putting his energy into.

Posted by: djnnnou | May 4, 2010 4:54 PM | Report abuse

I'll bet EG could assemble championship squads if you gave him David Robinson followed by Tim Duncan as building blocks. And no amount of GM savvy put those 2 players in San Antonio, was pure luck

Posted by: divi3 | May 4, 2010 4:55 PM | Report abuse

It is kinda like spelling CAT when they spot you the C and the T

Posted by: ts35 | May 4, 2010 5:02 PM | Report abuse

No, they drafted someone who played PF next to him while The Admiral was still in the league.

Posted by: ts35 | May 4, 2010 4:41 PM | Report abuse

They drafted a center and moved him to the power forward slot.

The Wizards could have drafted a point guard and moved Gil back to his natural position (2 guard), but then Ernie would have to admit Abe was wrong when he told him Gil was a point guard.

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | May 4, 2010 5:05 PM | Report abuse

they drafted the consensus #1 player who everybody looked at as a franchise altering big man! You really think there is a Brandon Jennings comparison in there somewhere???

Posted by: divi3 | May 4, 2010 5:12 PM | Report abuse

divi3

Maybe if EG was the GM of the Spurs he would have traded the 1997 1st pick to the Wizards for Calbert Cheaney and Tracy Murray?

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | May 4, 2010 5:12 PM | Report abuse

They drafted a center and moved him to the power forward slot.

The Wizards could have drafted a point guard and moved Gil back to his natural position (2 guard), but then Ernie would have to admit Abe was wrong when he told him Gil was a point guard.

Posted by: bulletsfan78

Ahh, so when The Admiral retired, they must have moved him back to the C full time, instead of running a wide variety of guys through there to play C like Rasho, Mohammed, Oberto, yada yada yada.

Posted by: ts35 | May 4, 2010 5:13 PM | Report abuse

Leonisis is probably trying to find the best candidate to replace Ernie as GM and rebuild the franchsie. Grunfeld has been in control for 7 years and things have been stale for at least the last two. A good GM would have told Abe Pollin the truth and broken up the Big 3 back in 2008. It's time to bring in someone who has some fresh ideas and build throug the draft. No way any established free agent like a Joe Johnson or Chris Bosh comes here when they can get max money to play on a better team like Atlanta or Miami.

Posted by: wizfan89 | May 4, 2010 5:15 PM | Report abuse

"we forget everything but the resentments"

No resentment here. They were fun to watch and made the team competitive and relevant again in the NBA. Thanks for the memories, guys.

Posted by: kalo_rama | May 4, 2010 1:30 PM | Report abuse

Agreed 100%. Actually had a team that was fun was to watch and could win a few games for about 4 years. Only the second time that happend in 30 years.

that said, by trade time, i was ready for the shake up.

Caron used to be a tough, hard working, scrappy player. Now he is a lazy, slow cheat on d jump shooter.

Haywood was always weak. Just good enough to make you think he might be a real starter someday, but then he'd revert to his normal back up caliber play.

We were lucky to get Jamison out the door, as much as i liked him. His D was far more than suspect, but he brought game every night, a rarity in these parts.

Hoping for the best. Would love to see Cousins in here. But this is a deep draft. Lots of guys to pick in the later picks that could be serious ballers come next January.

Posted by: jacksonward1 | May 4, 2010 5:19 PM | Report abuse

A good GM would have told Abe Pollin the truth and broken up the Big 3 back in 2008.
Posted by: wizfan89 | May 4, 2010 5:15 PM | Report abuse

Just curious...what was that truth? That the team he had assembled and was improving every year would have a time the next season where 4 of the starting five would all be injured?

Seriously, this is about all the "truth" that existed back in 2008 (I assume you mean the offseason):

Your 7ft starting center will never be more than a serviceable backup on a winning team.

Your starting PF is 31 and will never play hard D. But he will get you 25+ and close to 10 boards almost every game for at least 3 more seasons.

Your All-star PG has a reputation for being a dumazz and is coming off an injury, but the guy seems to have his hops back and we all know he plays with fierce determination.

Your all-star SF is under contract and playing phenomenally.

Your SG is one of the best defenders in the league and helps make up for some of the lack of D from your All Stars. Plus, he's under contract at a reasonable rate considerring his production and ability to hit clutch shots down the line.

We need some help with our backup and role players...nmore to come

Posted by: jacksonward1 | May 4, 2010 5:30 PM | Report abuse

divi3

Maybe if EG was the GM of the Spurs he would have traded the 1997 1st pick to the Wizards for Calbert Cheaney and Tracy Murray?

He wouldn't even ask for a draft pick plus he would buy out Cheany and let him resign with the Wizards?

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | May 4, 2010 5:32 PM | Report abuse

Your SG is one of the best defenders in the league
Posted by: jacksonward1

Lol who's that? You can't be talking about DeBrick. I must have missed all of the games where he played like one of the best defenders in the league.

Posted by: ts35 | May 4, 2010 5:35 PM | Report abuse

b78- why are you talking nonsense about Cheaney and #1 picks? Next you'll be saying EG should have resigned Haywood for $12mill/yr and had him be the focal point of the offense.

Oh wait, you DID say that in February.

Posted by: divi3 | May 4, 2010 5:36 PM | Report abuse

ts35

I'm not harping on Jennings?

I believe Ernie isn't the GM who can build a championship and the only thing I can base that on are the moves he either did and/or didn't make...and the fact he's never done it in his career.

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | May 4, 2010 5:36 PM | Report abuse

The rest of the "truth" from summer of 2008:

That tall, lanky, incredibly athletic PF we drafted at 49? He is very spotty. Can't say we can really count on him to come through for us. But he is cheap.

That lanky swingman we drafted in 2007 is starting to show some real skills, but he seems a tad immature

I really like the athleticism of the rookie center we drafted, maybe he can replace our wickedly mediocre, aging center in a year or two.

And we have a tough 10-15 minute guy in songaila to play up front. Pretty much everything else we have at backup is fully replaceable.

So tell me Abe what do you want to do? A complete rebuild? probably not have a winning season for a year or two? Or should hope for the best with the allstars that got us to the playoffs 4 years in a row and try to fill in the gaps around them?


What's that? You don't think you can wait 3 years to be good again? Ok, lets resign the gimp and hope for the best.

That was the truth in 2008.

Posted by: jacksonward1 | May 4, 2010 5:37 PM | Report abuse

divi3

I never said that

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | May 4, 2010 5:39 PM | Report abuse

Your SG is one of the best defenders in the league
Posted by: jacksonward1

Lol who's that? You can't be talking about DeBrick. I must have missed all of the games where he played like one of the best defenders in the league.

Posted by: ts35 | May 4, 2010 5:35 PM | Report abuse

You must have missed the 06/07 season and the 07/08 season then, when he was not only doing a good job of d in his own right, but was covering up the lapses of his non "d" playing teamates.

Maybe "one of the best" is an exageration, but he had two really good seasons where he did what he was supposed to do.

I will admit that upgrading that position would have abeen a good idea, but check the next post where we talk about his backup.

Posted by: jacksonward1 | May 4, 2010 5:42 PM | Report abuse

jacksonward1

DeBrick was a decent defender, which just made him look like a great defender compared to the stiffs he was playing with.

Posted by: ts35 | May 4, 2010 5:47 PM | Report abuse

I'm not harping on Jennings?

I believe Ernie isn't the GM who can build a championship and the only thing I can base that on are the moves he either did and/or didn't make...and the fact he's never done it in his career.

Posted by: bulletsfan78

Not just you, bf78, you're just the latest. Everyone who complains about EG trading the #5 talks about Jennings, and sometimes Curry, i.e. targeting the successes from the past draft, while not considering that EG could easily have taken any of those other guys. Then everyone would be complaining about why we took someone who won't help us for a few years.

There were legit questions about every player in this draft past Griffin. Including Evans, Curry and Jennings, which is why neither Curry nor Jennings was taken with our #5 pick. Trading out at the time was not the worst thing in the world.

How many GMs in the league now have won a championship? How many who don't have a Kobe, a Wade, or a Duncan?

I don't think EG is the guy to lead us forward either, but the guy has been a GM for a long time and has built three teams now from junk to respectability. The fact that the Wizards went south is definitely partly his fault, but it doesn't dismiss the rest of his resume. So if you want to keep going on and on ad infinitum, ad nauseam, at least consider the whole picture instead of cherry picking the parts that work for you.

Posted by: ts35 | May 4, 2010 6:02 PM | Report abuse

divi3

Most of the thins I write are Tongue-in-cheek, but that's okay because Genius is usually misunderstood.

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | May 4, 2010 6:04 PM | Report abuse

Most of the thins I write are Tongue-in-cheek, but that's okay because Genius is usually misunderstood.

Oh, now I understand!

Posted by: VBFan | May 4, 2010 8:50 PM | Report abuse

AQRENAS, YOUNG, THORNTON, BLATCHE, McGEE - a powerhouse team if there ever was one.

Posted by: glawrence007 | May 4, 2010 10:48 PM | Report abuse

"Not even the current manangement drafts based upon need, you draft base on best talent available, so that point is moot...
The best-run NBA teams are always looking for the best talent."posted by closg"

Let's say your team is drafting in the top five. When it's your turn you discover you have a choice between three players. They are:

A 6'9" SF with a deadly shot but little obvious interest in defense.

A 7-footer who's a dynamite shot-blocker but has no offensive game to speak of.

A jet-propelled 6', 160 lb PG who shot 24% from 3 point range in his only year of college.

The scouts have them pretty much even on your draft board. Who do you draft?

You're telling us that team needs shouldn't enter into the discussion?

That's just nuts.

Posted by: Samson151 | May 5, 2010 12:40 AM | Report abuse

this draft is deeper at late 1st round and early second round, it will be very difficult to select from 17th pick to 38th pick.It needs a lot of scouting to bring the right player.Picking two young men from these group is equivalent to get 2 lottery picks if the front office focus in rebuilding with the right young talents they have to work their tail.

Posted by: gtefferra | May 5, 2010 7:55 AM | Report abuse

The point being that every draftee, no matter how talented, has flaws, and the more exhaustively you study them (such as during the run-up to the draft), the bigger those flaws seem. It's difficult to maintain perspective. I suspect that's why teams end up 'taking the tall guy' (Hasheem Thabeet) over more talented athletes like Tyreke Evans (couldn't hit a 3 pointer) and Brandon Jennings (looks like your kid nephew).

Posted by: Samson151 | May 5, 2010 8:10 AM | Report abuse


You're telling us that team needs shouldn't enter into the discussion?

That's just nuts.

Posted by: Samson151 | May 5, 2010 12:40 AM | Report abuse
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I suppose it depends on the orgs draft-strategy whether u draft base on need. Typically you draft on need with your second pick.

I would submit to you that the PG position has been a team need for quite some-time, even before all of Gils knee surgeries. Ernie Grunfeld strategy of using combo guards to fill-in as back-ups has been a complete failure for years. Ernie failed again by signing Boykins (another has-been "vet")only to finally self-correct and take a chance on Shaun Livingston.

Ernie went into the season playing it safe (as-usual for him) by trading for two players that Minny was happy to be rid of, thinking that they would be better than what was available in the draft. FAIL!! Jennings, Curry, & even Flynn > Foye and they indeed could have been rotational players had Ernie done his homework.

In the second round Ernie failed yet-again by selling our pick because it was the lazy and easy thing to do. The Spurs were smart enough to take ZERO risk by signing DeJuan Blair on a 2nd round non-guaranteed contract of well under $1 million dollars. Ernie's move, sign-up the washed-up Fab-O for $2 Large. Did Fab-O ever get more than 2 rebounds & 6 points in a game max?

Bottom-line? Foye wasn't even offered an extension & Mike Miller is probably gone also. Yeah, I want Ernie Grunfeld in-charge of talent evaluation and rebuilding. NOT!

Posted by: closg | May 5, 2010 9:25 AM | Report abuse

This is a much deeper draft overall then last year. It's a fortunate year to have three picks. Which direction the "Once and future Bullets" draft will depend on the lottery.

One or two, it'll be Wall or Turner. I think either guy could be paired with Arenas. If the Wizards go with Turner I can really see Livingston being brought back, possibly at Foye's expense, to be the first guard off the bench.

Three or four, they have the choice of Favors or Big Cous', given the chance I'd think they'd even consider taking Favors ahead of the two guards. When looking at Favors think, "a young, hungry,and humble," Chris Webber.

The guy's that good, he's a long and rangy guy that's really quick, and loves to crash the boards at both ends. He's stronger then either Blatche or McGee right now, and he's only going to get stronger as he grows into that body.

Big Cous' could be a bear, but he could also turn out to be a mean and surly bear to handle. As far as being coachable, there's a night and day's difference between Favors and Cousins. Picking that high, I've got to think you take the guy with the "A game" and the disposition to go with it.

5-8, I like Monroe. Many say he's too much like the bigs we already have. The thing I like about both Monroe and Favors is that given the matchups, and the talent around them, they could log time at all three frontline positions.

Monroe's got a more refined offensive game then Favors, and is ready to move out and face the basket now. He's light years ahead of anything that was still there at the 5 last year. Reminds me of a young Kevin McDess before the knee surgeries.

Finding a 10-15 yr player in the draft is never a bad thing, Monroe looks to be a guy that will be that kind of guy.

Atlanta's going to get destroyed by Orlando in the playoffs. Not just a disappointing loss, but the kind of thrashing that gets a coach fired, a team broke up, or both.

I'm thinking if the Wiz go big in the draft, Joe Johnson could be the FA to target to pair with Gil in the backcourt.
GM

Posted by: flohrtv | May 5, 2010 9:51 AM | Report abuse

closg:

Jennings and Curry are combo-guards, like the ones you disparage Ernie for being fond of.

The simple fact is Foye WAS offered an extension which he declined, hoping to have a big year and thus a bigger payday. At any rate, the Wizards own his rights and he doesn't go anywhere if they don't want him to.

Is it possible that Ernie traded the pick for reasons other than laziness? After all, it doesn't take much effort to actually say "We pick player X."

Another simple fact is Blair is playing on a GUARANTEED contract with the Spurs.

Fab was signed for well under $2 million and did have games in which he posted better numbers than the ones you list. He also got some nice assists too.

Your post is all sizzle and no steak!

Posted by: gimmedat | May 5, 2010 9:55 AM | Report abuse

"After all, it doesn't take much effort to actually say "We pick player X."

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Actually it should involve scouting with serious consideration. IMO Ernie's staff scouts like it's an arbitrary issue, but after the scouting process it takes something called "GUTS"

Thats where things get complicated.

Posted by: millineumman | May 5, 2010 10:10 AM | Report abuse

flohrtv- was thinking the same thing about Hawks watching game last night. And as much as I understand all the reasons NOT to go after Joe Johnson...it's gotta be tempting for a franchise desperate to win games and with plenty of cap room.

However, I dont think we'll spend much money this offseason. Smarter move would be to see how the youngsters look next year, consider if AB is warranting big money, and have an eye to future FA classes after we've established some kind of base.

Posted by: divi3 | May 5, 2010 10:15 AM | Report abuse

"Ernie failed again... only to finally self-correct and take a chance on Shaun Livingston. Ernie went into the season playing it safe (as-usual for him) by trading for two players that Minny was happy to be rid of, thinking that they would be better than what was available in the draft. FAIL!! Jennings, Curry, & even Flynn > Foye and they indeed could have been rotational players had Ernie done his homework.In the second round Ernie failed yet-again by selling our pick because it was the lazy and easy thing to do. The Spurs were smart enough to take ZERO risk by signing DeJuan Blair on a 2nd round non-guaranteed contract of well under $1 million dollars. Ernie's move, sign-up the washed-up Fab-O for $2 Large. Did Fab-O ever get more than 2 rebounds & 6 points in a game max?posted by closg"

Don't see how you arrive at the conclusion that Ernie fails to take risks. Looks to me like he does exactly that.

When the decision was made to deconstruct the club -- in the middle of the season, after the owner's sudden death -- he began rotating d-leaguers to see if anybody stuck. Livingston had been cut by two teams already (Miami and OKC, both known for good player evaluation) and gave him a shot. That one worked out. Could Ernie have expected that? No way. He gambled.

On the draft: he figured nobody at 5 was what he needed for a playoff push (the Pollin-approved goal at the time). So he traded for two vets. That's a gamble. You've blithely anointed Curry and Flynn as superior to Foye, but better than Foye and Mike Miller together? On a decent team, that's unlikely. It's Jennings who looks like the coming star, and he would have been worth the pick.

About Blair: the Spurs took a big risk. Blair insisted on first round $$, and they ponied up. But you forget that Blair is risky not because of his play but because of his health. Count up how many GMs passed on him.

I think it's more reasonable to argue that Ernie took a bunch of risks coming into last season, and most of them didn't work out. For that he can be fired. But stop portraying the guy as something he's not.

Posted by: Samson151 | May 5, 2010 10:21 AM | Report abuse

closg:

Laziness wasn't the reason Ernie sold the 2nd pick. He like a lot of people were caught of guard by the rescission and sold the 2nd pick and traded the 1st pick becasue of cap reasons.

gimmedat

Fab made 2,100,000 this year and didn't help the team at all!

Some on here think it's hindsight and a few don't think Blair would have helped this team but taking him with the 2nd round pick considering he was just what the team needed was all about the money.

Jennings and Curry are combo-guards?

Wrong Jennings has always been a point guard and Curry is a shooting guard.

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | May 5, 2010 10:22 AM | Report abuse

b78- just because jennings played pg in high school doesnt mean he is not a score first jacker who takes a ton of bad shots and doesnt drop many dimes. Yes, the kid has shown much in his rookie season and many think he's a future star.

But it's disingenuous to pretend he plays anything at all like a traditional pg just for the sake of being able to bemoan EG passing on him. The truth is he is a score first guy who gets his points by taking a ton of shots while shooting a poor fg%

sound like anybody on the wiz you can think of?

Posted by: divi3 | May 5, 2010 10:27 AM | Report abuse

Blair is guaranteed about $2.7mill....is that really much of a risk? Consider Fab made $2.1mill this season and was signed with a FAULTY TICKER. He could have been shutdown at any moment all season, and was probably unavailable for some stretches this year though it wasnt reported that way.

Blair's condition was a knee problem which had shown no signs whatsoever, but people assumed was inevitable. Fab on the other hand was having mini-heart attacks on the bench!

I just hate to see a Big East player who had big games in our building be the gem we miss out on...shoulda known EG!

Posted by: divi3 | May 5, 2010 10:36 AM | Report abuse

Monroe's got a more refined offensive game then Favors, and is ready to move out and face the basket now. He's light years ahead of anything that was still there at the 5 last year. Reminds me of a young Kevin McDess before the knee surgeries.

Posted by: flohrtv

Huh? Why would we gamble on a young "Kevin McDess? Has this person ever played in the NBA? If you mean Antonio McDyess, I would never compare Greg Monroe to McDyess. Pre-injury McDyess was one of the most athletic power forwards to play. Pre-injury McDyess was drafted 2nd overall in a strong draft, ahead of Stackhouse, Rasheed, and Garnett in the top 5(Joe Smith went #1. Monroe's game is below the rim and is more cerebral and he isn't pegged to go top 5 in a draft of players that are still unproven.

Posted by: G-Man11 | May 5, 2010 10:55 AM | Report abuse

Just think about the possibilities with that trio. The future is bright indeed!!

Posted by: melodious_thunk

FOX News!
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ts35 you all grizzle and no meat.
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GOODBYE Grunfeld!!!

Posted by: yetanotherpassword | May 5, 2010 11:01 AM | Report abuse

That's a gamble. You've blithely anointed Curry and Flynn as superior to Foye, but better than Foye and Mike Miller together? On a decent team, that's unlikely. It's Jennings who looks like the coming star, and he would have been worth the pick.
Posted by: Samson151

I agree with pretty much your whole post, except the part where you seem to indicate that only Jennings would have been worth the pick. Curry put up some pretty outstanding numbers towards the end of the season as well. Some of that is definitely inflated by the system he's in, but he clearly looks to have some serious skills too. Plenty to like about both players.

Posted by: ts35 | May 5, 2010 11:11 AM | Report abuse

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ts35 you all grizzle and no meat.
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GOODBYE Grunfeld!!!

Posted by: needanotherhobby

Grizzle?

Posted by: ts35 | May 5, 2010 11:14 AM | Report abuse

Blair's condition was a knee problem which had shown no signs whatsoever, but people assumed was inevitable. Fab on the other hand was having mini-heart attacks on the bench!

Posted by: divi3

To be accurate, divi, Blair's knees had shown problems to the extent that over the course of time, both ACLs had essentially been removed. It wasn't a birth defect or something. So I understand the concerns about his knees, especially given his weight. But I agree with your larger point that it was a minimal risk to draft and one well worth taking.

Posted by: ts35 | May 5, 2010 11:19 AM | Report abuse

"Huh? Why would we gamble on a young "Kevin McDess? Has this person ever played in the NBA? If you mean Antonio McDyess, I would never compare Greg Monroe to McDyess."

I believe he meant Kevin-Antonio McDyess-McHale, the athletic biracial 6'9" seven-footer from Hibbing, Alabama.

Posted by: Samson151 | May 5, 2010 11:27 AM | Report abuse

"...except the part where you seem to indicate that only Jennings would have been worth the pick. Curry put up some pretty outstanding numbers towards the end of the season as well."

OK, at the time, would you as GM of the Wiz have taken Curry over Miller/Foye? No fair basing it on (and I hate to say it) hindsight.

Posted by: Samson151 | May 5, 2010 11:29 AM | Report abuse

did blair had knee problems in college? Whereas Fab being rushed to the hospital from Spurs games...

Posted by: divi3 | May 5, 2010 11:32 AM | Report abuse

No, not at all. You just indicated that you believed Jennings was the only one worth the pick. So at the time, did you think they should have taken Jennings instead of MM/Foye?

Posted by: ts35 | May 5, 2010 11:33 AM | Report abuse

did blair had knee problems in college? Whereas Fab being rushed to the hospital from Spurs games...

Posted by: divi3

No idea. At the same time, playing 30 games a year, playing once or twice a week, very much different than playing every night / every other night for 82+ games a year.

Didn't we spend a fair part of the season wondering if SL's knee would hold up?

Questioning the ability of Blair's knees to hold up to NBA rigors is totally fair.

And I guess you missed the part at the end where I ultimately agreed with you.

Posted by: ts35 | May 5, 2010 11:37 AM | Report abuse

"Blair's condition was a knee problem which had shown no signs whatsoever, but people assumed was inevitable. Fab on the other hand was having mini-heart attacks on the bench! "

LOL things aren't quite that clear-cut. Oberto's heart problem was apparently corrected by surgery. He's not in any danger. Blair had multiple surgeries on his knees as a teenager and ideosyncratically, the ACLs in both knees were reabsorbed by the surrounding tissue. It's happened before (Hines Ward) but to my knowledge never in both knees and never in someone as heavy as Blair. So we're in something akin to uncharted territory.

I'm pretty confident that one of those many GMs who passed on drafting Blair would have taken a shot if the team docs had issued a good prognosis. Apparently they didn't. That should tell us something about the relative risk.

There are acceptable risks, and there are unacceptable risks. You and I aren't staring down at the physician's report on Blair. Things might look a little different.

Posted by: Samson151 | May 5, 2010 11:39 AM | Report abuse

"No, not at all. You just indicated that you believed Jennings was the only one worth the pick. So at the time, did you think they should have taken Jennings instead of MM/Foye? Posted by: ts35"

LOLOL not at all. I'm employing.... hindsight.

Posted by: Samson151 | May 5, 2010 11:42 AM | Report abuse

"No, not at all. You just indicated that you believed Jennings was the only one worth the pick. So at the time, did you think they should have taken Jennings instead of MM/Foye? Posted by: ts35"

LOLOL not at all. I'm employing.... hindsight.

Posted by: Samson151

LOL....oohhhhhkay. Y'all are a little cuckoo for Cocoa Puffs this mornin.

Posted by: ts35 | May 5, 2010 11:47 AM | Report abuse

Nope, I thought on first look that it was a good trade. Only downside was having to give up Songaila instead of Stevenson. Left us with too many guards and necessitated the signing of another big man, who turned out to be Fabio. The Wolves let Song go to the Hornets where he averaged 19 minutes last season.

'Course, if he'd stayed here, the fans on this blog would have savaged Saunders for every minute he played ahead of McGee.

Why did I like Foye & Miller over Rubio, Flynn, and Jennings (and Jordan Hill, who was the only big man in the discussion back then)? First, because both are talented players. The idea was that Gilbert would hog the ball as usual and Foye would serve as a useful replacement in case the knee acted up. Miller was something the Wiz didn't have -- a really good outside shooter. Of course, we know how it all turned out. And Ernie Grunfeld will probably feel the axe because of it.

Posted by: Samson151 | May 5, 2010 12:03 PM | Report abuse

I agree with all of that Samson (except maybe they should have taken Hill instead for his Dwight Howard-like quickness...that's the new prototype)

'Course, if he'd stayed here, the fans on this blog would have savaged Saunders for every minute [Songalia] played ahead of McGee.

There is no doubt about that! Also I miss Glenn Consor on the radio talking about how Darius was a 'facilitator'. He managed to work it into every game =).

Posted by: ts35 | May 5, 2010 12:11 PM | Report abuse

And Ernie Grunfeld will probably feel the axe because of it.

Posted by: Samson151

the nice thing about the ax is that you dont feel a thing. he deserves it despite the rantings and propaganda of gimmedat, ts35 -- "In God we trust" and we trust that He will help us get rid of the cancers in the Wiz. We pray.

Posted by: yetanotherpassword | May 5, 2010 1:26 PM | Report abuse

Grizzle?

Posted by: ts35 | May 5, 2010 11:14 AM | Report abuse
tha grizzle is for 4/20 not cinco de mayo

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | May 5, 2010 1:43 PM | Report abuse

the nice thing about the ax is that you dont feel a thing. he deserves it despite the rantings and propaganda of gimmedat, ts35 -- "In God we trust" and we trust that He will help us get rid of the cancers in the Wiz. We pray.

Posted by: needssomereadingglasses

You want to quote back to me or even paraphrase some of my propaganda? Anyone who invokes 'God' and 'cancers' in talking about a sports franchise seems to be closer to the propaganda line.

Posted by: ts35 | May 5, 2010 1:46 PM | Report abuse

Anyone who invokes 'God' and 'cancers' in talking about a sports franchise seems to be closer to the propaganda line.

Posted by: ts35 | May 5, 2010 1:46 PM |

Could not have said it any better!

Posted by: Firuz1 | May 5, 2010 1:52 PM | Report abuse

Grizzle?

Posted by: ts35 | May 5, 2010 11:14 AM | Report abuse
tha grizzle is for 4/20 not cinco de mayo

Posted by: lilhollywood10

Ah, in that case, I think yetanotherpassword is all seed and no bud.

Posted by: ts35 | May 5, 2010 2:21 PM | Report abuse

@ts35

gotta luv that, happy cinco de mayo!next round's on me!

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | May 5, 2010 2:35 PM | Report abuse

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