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Celtics are breezing, Suns avoid sweep

Morning brew

In today's newspaper Michael Lee focuses on how the Boston Celtics are breezing past the Orlando Magic so easily.

Saturday's demolition of Orlando gave the Celtics a 3-0 series lead in the Eastern Conference finals.

Before he headed to Boston, Lee was in Chicago for the NBA Draft Combine, where Wizards officials checked out prospects John Wall, Evan Turner and others. Here are Lee's final thoughts from Chicago.

On Sunday columnist Michael Wilbon marveled that each of Washington's team's could soon have a true headliner, including Wall for the Wizards.

And in today's newspaper Wilbon describes the Magic mess and how they got there.

Meanwhile in Phoenix, the Suns beat the Lakers to avert a sweep in that series, which Los Angeles leads, 2-1.

And this morning, the Cavaliers made it official and fired Mike Brown.

Click below for highlights from last night's Lakers-Suns game, courtesy of NBA.com.

By Alexa Steele  |  May 24, 2010; 10:59 AM ET
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i read that philly will trade their #2 overall pick if someone takes brand

don't think it will happen but it seems possible and we should strongely consider that

with our trade exceptions, and then throw in a combo of thornton, young, mcgee, all cheap and young we could take on brand's huge contract but also get the #2 pick

brand would be that "max player" we are able to sign so its not like we'd be going crazy with salary

that would end the debate as we would get Wall AND Turner

PG Wall
SG Arenas
SF Turner
PF Brand
C Blache

we'd still have the mid level exception to sign someone like josh howard or mike miller or a big man (shaq?) or someone else be off the bench

we'd also have the 30th pick and the 34th pick to add to our depth

then of course we stay active trying to trade the two bad contracts away unless this combo works

i know taking these contracts on would suck, but considering both arenas and brand's contracts are finished by the time we would need to consider maxing wall and turner, its not like salary cap should be an issue

plus brand's contract is listed as 3 years, which means should be easy to trade in 2 (expiring year) and gil same story in 3 years since he has 4 left?

won't happen, but it would be awesome

Posted by: hb_321 | May 24, 2010 11:15 AM | Report abuse

@hb_321
Assuming that's true, I'm pretty sure that any deal Philly made for the #2 Pick/Brand would have to include them getting a pick back, and it would have to be higher than the 30th overall (probably lower lottery). I can sse them moving down in the draft, but not out of it. A rebuilding plan like that makes no sense, given that they just went out and spent big money on a big name coach.

Posted by: kalo_rama | May 24, 2010 11:14 AM | Report abuse


Good point. Do you think offering next year's first and if we have to, this year's 30th pick, would do the trick? And would that be worth it?

Posted by: hb_321 | May 24, 2010 11:21 AM | Report abuse

I think its worth it, but curious what others think

Posted by: hb_321 | May 24, 2010 11:24 AM | Report abuse

Just waiting for Melodius Thunk to post on what a God Ernie Grunfeld is.

Posted by: closg | May 24, 2010 11:38 AM | Report abuse

No Elton Brand!
Blatch and Brand ?

Posted by: millineumman | May 24, 2010 11:39 AM | Report abuse

No Elton Brand!
Blatch and Brand ?

Posted by: millineumman | May 24, 2010 11:39 AM | Report abuse

Now that Orlando is flaming out against Celts, maybe it's time to revive the Otis Smith - Arenas connection. It's clear Orlando's offseason moves, obtaining Vince Carter and Bass and keeping Gortat did not address their real needs. Further, Rashard Lewis appears to be earning "the most overpaid" label. Given all that, is it possible that Orlando may view Arenas as an option?

Posted by: ZardsFan1 | May 24, 2010 11:44 AM | Report abuse

Brand is not better than Blatche at this point of his career but would still want major minutes and would likely cause problems if he doesn't get them. Big mistake for the Wizards to go down that road with Brand. Not to mention the fact that they lose all cap flexibility and Blatche is not a five.

Posted by: bobabuie | May 24, 2010 11:45 AM | Report abuse

i agree with sentiment brandon bass is the guy we want from the magic, though i'm afraid there is some dark secret about him- how else to explain his lack of play?

Vinsanity only has 1yr left guaranteed, definitely dont want him here, but can see the logic in management taking him for a season if it's how you move Gil

Posted by: divi3 | May 24, 2010 11:49 AM | Report abuse

Brand is guaranteed $50mill over next 3yrs, while AB is at $6.7mill total over next 2 seasons.

Doubt there is a team in the league that would take Brand over Blatche given those economics

Posted by: divi3 | May 24, 2010 11:52 AM | Report abuse

i read that philly will trade their #2 overall pick if someone takes brand

don't think it will happen but it seems possible and we should strongely consider that
Posted by: hb_321

With respect, hb, we would be paying max dollars for 3 years for a guy averaging 13 and 6. Getting Wall and Turner would be great, but I don't know if it's worth it to eat that contract, tying up a lot of our ability to make moves for 3 years. If the Sixers were willing to take Gilbert back, I might consider it. But if the Wiz are going to move Gil, I would like to see them do it in a way that clears space. Plus acquiring Brand means that either he or AB would have to play out of position.

Posted by: ts35 | May 24, 2010 12:09 PM | Report abuse

(A) Philly will want a lottery pick in this draft to start the rebuilding right away, otherwise they'll have basically hired Doug Collins to spend next season babysitting a bunch of short-timers. I don't see that. (B) The Wiz just finished clearing out the dead wood of disgruntled, overpaid, under-performing vets who didn't get the job done. Adding another one is taking a step backwards. They need to focus on players who are part of the future rather than acquiring more expensive space fillers. Taking on Brand's contract to get a shot at the #2 pick is a desperation move calculated to try and accelerate the rebuilding pace. No need for that. Just let things take their course naturally. (Besides, there's a fair chance they could end up back in the lottery next season anyway.)

Posted by: kalo_rama | May 24, 2010 12:26 PM | Report abuse

"i agree with sentiment brandon bass is the guy we want from the magic, though i'm afraid there is some dark secret about him- how else to explain his lack of play?"

No real mystery, there. SVG likes big guys who can shoot the 3 because it helps pull one of the other team's bigs out of the paint and away from Howard. They got Ryan Andersen in the Carter trade, and his size and ability to hit from outside trumped Bass's strength and hustle.

Personally, ever since watching them get rolled by the Lakers in the Finals that their biggest need was someone other than Howard to provide interior toughness. In fact, JVG said pretty much the same thing during the last gme.

Posted by: kalo_rama | May 24, 2010 12:37 PM | Report abuse

Elton Brand is a Duke guy.

Has any Duke players ever been on a NBA championship Team, or been the star on an significant role player on an NBA championship team?

I'm drawing a blank.

I say go after a washed up Carolina Guy rather than some washed up Duke Guy in Brand.

Dem Carolina guys win championships in the NBA. Grant Hill was supposed to be a Carolina guy but changed his mind at the last minute.

Just no, to Elton Brand, just no.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | May 24, 2010 1:15 PM | Report abuse

Has any Duke players ever been on a NBA championship Team, or been the star on an significant role player on an NBA championship team?

Dem Carolina guys win championships in the NBA. Grant Hill was supposed to be a Carolina guy but changed his mind at the last minute.
Posted by: LarryInClintonMD

Carolina guys are definitely winning the NBA Championship battle at the moment. Plus Duke guys seem prone to freak accidents in the NBA. Grant Hill's ankle troubles and subsequent infection. Jay Williams and his motorcycle. Bobby Hurley and his car crash. I wonder if they make Brand, Battier and Corey Maggette take separate cabs and planes to the games.

Some of that has to do with the kinds of guys Coach K recruits. He has usually stayed away from guys who are inclined to jump early to the NBA. Those are also guys who are usually a notch less talented than the cream of the crop. There are definitely some talented Duke guys in the league who could have a shot. Boozer, Deng, Battier, Reddick are probably the top candidates. Maybe Hill. Dunleavy, Brand, Magette, Henderson, Duhon maybe on another team. Shelden Williams in on the Celtics, but isn't a contributor. Same with Randolph on the Heat

Posted by: ts35 | May 24, 2010 1:40 PM | Report abuse

Any player has a shot at a title if they land on the right team. But for a program that has so dominated the college bball landscape the last couple of decades, Duke has produced surprisingly few (if any) dominant NBA players, or even players who have been major contributors on very good teams.

Posted by: kalo_rama | May 24, 2010 2:10 PM | Report abuse

LarryInClinton

You say you are InClinton(Maryland I presume). Are you from N. Carolina? Did you attend UNC?

Just wondering?

Posted by: G-Man11 | May 24, 2010 3:01 PM | Report abuse

If Philly will give up that #2 pick and realy dont want anything in return then we do it in a heart beat. Arenas most likely is gone and Blatche may soon follow. I ask this question before on this blog."Would any one feel that giving a Blatche a ton of money will make him better or worst in 2 years". So why not trade him knpw why his value is high. We would only have brand for 2 years and would be a easy trade after that because of his expiring contract. We would have the Wall/Turner duo for the next 10 years... Its a no brainer. Also Ted said that he want to build though the draft.

Posted by: dsquare | May 24, 2010 3:11 PM | Report abuse

what is your concern if AB leave in a year or two? AB's impact to washington is only if he continue to play as he did in the last 30 games.His departure does not have an any harm to washington,plus you make trades either to unload bad contract or to improvce your roster.

Posted by: gtefferra | May 24, 2010 3:39 PM | Report abuse

(A) Philly will want a lottery pick in this draft to start the rebuilding right away, otherwise they'll have basically hired Doug Collins to spend next season babysitting a bunch of short-timers. I don't see that. (B) The Wiz just finished clearing out the dead wood of disgruntled, overpaid, under-performing vets who didn't get the job done. Adding another one is taking a step backwards. They need to focus on players who are part of the future rather than acquiring more expensive space fillers. Taking on Brand's contract to get a shot at the #2 pick is a desperation move calculated to try and accelerate the rebuilding pace. No need for that. Just let things take their course naturally. (Besides, there's a fair chance they could end up back in the lottery next season anyway.)

Posted by: kalo_rama | May 24, 2010 12:26 PM | Report abuse

You added a pick to the report. If it really is Brand+#2 for basically nothing...wow. I like it.

Desperation move? Perhaps, but everything is a despertaion move when you are desparate. As far as building "naturally", isn't using cap space to buy young talent "natural?"

The question is, "will a better deal come along later?" How often do players of Turner's hype go on sale?

Posted by: cballer | May 24, 2010 3:49 PM | Report abuse

That scenario is paying Gil and Brand max money on the hopes that Wall and Turner are max money performers. No way Ted considers picking up a $50mill contract in his 1st year with the team. Not a chance.

How about just drafting Wall and 2 other players, seeing where we are at the end of next season? No need to try and build Rome in a day.

Posted by: divi3 | May 24, 2010 4:11 PM | Report abuse

Agreed divi3.

Plus Big Ted is looking for an affordable YOUNG big who is on the upside. So that would include:

Amir Johnson
Ian Mahinimi
Craig Smith
DeAndre Jordan

DJ Mbenga is an interesting guy but he turns 30 in December.

Posted by: elfreako | May 24, 2010 4:18 PM | Report abuse

LarryInClinton

You say you are InClinton(Maryland I presume). Are you from N. Carolina? Did you attend UNC?

Just wondering?

Posted by: G-Man11 | May 24, 2010 3:01 PM |

G-Man11,

I've been a serious Carolina fan since 1966. That was the year that Dean Smith integrated ACC basketball by offering Charlie Scott a scholarship.

Though I never attended Carolina, but growing up in Durham, down the street from Duke University whom would also sign their first black player C.B. Claiborne under coach Vic Bubas a year later, Carolina became an instant favorite for many fans in the Raleigh, Durham, Chapel Hill area, Blacks as well as Whites.

I still have huge family in Durham and it isn't uncommon to root for Duke as well. But most are a Tarheels first and Duke second.

Charlie Scott and Dean Smith paved the way for a long line of well known and successful black players at Carolina as we all know, as well as fostering a legion of diehard Carolina fans from the area one of which being myself.

Lefty Driesel then coach at Davidson all but had Scott signed but after Dean talked with him Scott changed his mind and went to Carolina, and thus the legacy was born in Durham-Chapel Hill of true and faithful Tarheel Fans.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | May 24, 2010 4:21 PM | Report abuse

If Philly is actually offering up a "sale" for their no. 2 pick, then I would much rather go for a Wall/Cousins 1-2 combo than Wall/Turner. That would provide the future for the two most important positions on the court for the Wizards.

Posted by: psps23 | May 24, 2010 4:26 PM | Report abuse

"Amir Johnson
Ian Mahinimi
Craig Smith
DeAndre Jordan"

Maybe it's just me, but I find that group underwhelming. Why not just hang on to Singleton?

Posted by: Samson151 | May 24, 2010 4:57 PM | Report abuse

I wouldnt mind adding Mbenfa for some size (assuming he's cheap), and definitely yes to keeping Singleton.

Posted by: divi3 | May 24, 2010 5:04 PM | Report abuse

the magic's problem is that DH12 has no game . Didn't last year, when folks like SDTSDMU was callin him dominant, and he doesn't now.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | May 24, 2010 3:38 PM | Report abuse

D12 can be dominant. Anyone that can block 10 shots o6 get 25 rebounds in a game...IS dominant. There's more to basketball than scoring.

Posted by: SDMDTSU | May 24, 2010 5:10 PM | Report abuse

"You added a pick to the report."

What "report"? I haven't seen any "report." All I've seen is hb_321's posts claiming that Philly is giving away the #2 pick for nothing. Absent some actual evidence, I'm inclined to not believe that to be the case.

"The question is, "will a better deal come along later?" How often do players of Turner's hype go on sale? "

Almost never, which is another reason why i seriously doubt the so-called "report" is true, as stated.

Posted by: kalo_rama | May 24, 2010 5:18 PM | Report abuse

"Maybe it's just me, but I find that group underwhelming."

Not just you. And you can add Mbenga to that list.

Posted by: kalo_rama | May 24, 2010 5:20 PM | Report abuse

"Desperation move? Perhaps, but everything is a despertaion move when you are desparate."

Except the Wizards have no reason to be desperate at this point.

"As far as building "naturally", isn't using cap space to buy young talent "natural?""

There's nothing "natural" about a likely lottery team in the first year of rebuilding using cap space to acquire a 30+year old player with $50 mil on his deal coming off the worst season of his career.

Posted by: kalo_rama | May 24, 2010 5:31 PM | Report abuse

the magic's problem is that DH12 has no game . Didn't last year, when folks like SDTSDMU was callin him dominant, and he doesn't now.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | May 24, 2010 3:38 PM | Report abuse

D12 can be dominant. Anyone that can block 10 shots o6 get 25 rebounds in a game...IS dominant. There's more to basketball than scoring.


Posted by: SDMDTSU | May 24, 2010 5:10 PM | Report abuse

there's more to basketball than rebs and blocks. there's a lot to more to the game than hops and muscles too. hwen Dwight Howard learns to play the game on the offensive end he will be truly dominant. he will be dominant defensively (2x Def player of the year) dominant on the boards (able to pull down 25 in a game) and dominant offensively (if he's ever able to pull it together). he will then be dominant in all facets of the game not just defensively.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | May 24, 2010 6:05 PM | Report abuse

This is the report from Chad Ford on Friday.

A number of teams have already looked into the availability of the Philadelphia 76ers' No. 2 pick in the June 24 draft.

The asking price? Several sources said they were told that the Sixers want their trade partner to take Elton Brand off their hands. Good luck with that. With Brand set to earn $51 million over the course of the next three years, he's virtually impossible to trade.

He followed that up today:

After talking to a number of teams in Chicago, I'm no longer convinced that Turner is a lock for the No. 2 spot.

There are a couple of things to factor in here. The first is that Turner isn't a perfect fit for the Sixers. While they could easily fix that by trading Andre Iguodala, the Sixers weren't blown away by the offers they got in February and don't think they'll see substantially better offers for Iguodala over the next month.

You can bet that new head coach Doug Collins is going for the "win now" approach and would like to use the pick to fill a need with an NBA-ready player or trade the pick to a team willing to offer a veteran who can contribute right away.

You can expect teams like the Minnesota Timberwolves, Detroit Pistons and Indiana Pacers, in particular, to make a strong push to get a deal done with Philly. As I wrote on Friday, the Sixers have been telling teams that they'll have to take back the remaining three years, $50 million of Elton Brand's contract to make it happen. But I wouldn't be surprised if the Sixers softened their stance by the draft. I don't see any team willing to take on Brand's contract at this point.

Posted by: cballer | May 24, 2010 8:11 PM | Report abuse

Looking over their roster, the Sixers are one mixed-up club. It's like an entire roster of complementary stars and off-the-bench role players. Iguodala and Lightnin' Louis Williams need to play for Don Nelson and Brand needs to play for Pat Riley or Jerry Sloan. Or maybe retire.

Evan Turner fits here if he's a superstar (the thing they don't have). Otherwise he'd do better in Minnesota. But why would the Wolves take Brand when they could just sit where they are and draft a wing player like Wes Johnson?

This is why it's better to have the first choice. Because the group right behind John Wall is a lot less clear.

Posted by: Samson151 | May 24, 2010 8:45 PM | Report abuse

there's more to basketball than rebs and blocks. there's a lot to more to the game than hops and muscles too. hwen Dwight Howard learns to play the game on the offensive end he will be truly dominant. he will be dominant defensively (2x Def player of the year) dominant on the boards (able to pull down 25 in a game) and dominant offensively (if he's ever able to pull it together). he will then be dominant in all facets of the game not just defensively.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | May 24, 2010 6:05 PM | Report abuse

So what you're saying is that he's dominant. Whether defensively or offensively. It's basketball. It's not played in pieces.

Kevin Durant...dominant. Not defensively.

Bosh, Durant, Melo, Dirk, Nash...so what are they dominant offensively? Jason Kidd could even dominate a game but he wasn't a scorer.

Battier? What is he dominant defensively?

Rodman was dominant on the boards?

You can't break it into pieces.

A player can DOMINATE a game without scoring a point. Kinda like when he blocked 6 shots in the 1st quarter against the Bobcats.


Posted by: SDMDTSU | May 24, 2010 8:46 PM | Report abuse

"Dwight Howard learns to play the game on the offensive end he will be truly dominant"

Yeah, otherwise he'll be a loser like that Bill Russell dude.

Posted by: Samson151 | May 24, 2010 8:47 PM | Report abuse

How many coaches do the 76ers have to fire before they realize that the team isn't very good? I'd almost bet money that Mark Cuban uses Dampier's expiring contract to make it happen.

Posted by: djnnnou | May 24, 2010 8:54 PM | Report abuse

That scenario is paying Gil and Brand max money on the hopes that Wall and Turner are max money performers. No way Ted considers picking up a $50mill contract in his 1st year with the team. Not a chance.

How about just drafting Wall and 2 other players, seeing where we are at the end of next season? No need to try and build Rome in a day.

Posted by: divi3 | May 24, 2010 4:11 P

Agreed as well divi3.

Just because Philly doesn't want their slice of pie, it dosen't mean that we have to have it. Our 3 slices already may be just fine.

In fact they may be more than enough.

Greediness may upset your stomack in most cases.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | May 24, 2010 9:16 PM | Report abuse

The Wiz should take a look at Rudy Gay, whom I believe is a free agent this year.

Mebbe Michael Lee could update us on Josh Howards recovery or if the Wizards even wanna resign him.

Posted by: Vicc | May 24, 2010 9:48 PM | Report abuse

Looking over the draft measurement database on DraftExpress I did a little comparison of John Wall to another player around 6' 4" with long arms to evaluate whether or not he has a chance to defend some SGs in the NBA.

Wall
-Height w/Shoes = 6' 4"
-Standing reach = 8' 5.5"
-Vertical jump = 43"
And just for fun....
-25yd Sprint = 3.10 secs

Player X
-Height w/Shoes = 6' 4.75"
-Standing reach = 8' 6"
-Vertical jump = 35"
-25yd Sprint = 3.08 secs

Oh yeah...Player X is D-Wade. I'm just saying.

Posted by: SportzWiz | May 24, 2010 9:52 PM | Report abuse

Oh yeah...Player X is D-Wade. I'm just saying.

Posted by: SportzWiz | May 24, 2010 9:52 PM

That's what I've been saying, physically Wall will end up being a PG in dwade's body.

sidenote: I can see favors or cousins going ahead of Evan Turner

Posted by: divi3 | May 24, 2010 9:59 PM | Report abuse

This is why it's better to have the first choice. Because the group right behind John Wall is a lot less clear.

Posted by: Samson151 | May 24, 2010 8:45 PM

So true!

Posted by: divi3 | May 24, 2010 10:03 PM | Report abuse

Gravy:

"On the second day of interviews, during a down period, Jonathan Givony of DraftExpress and I were sitting around a table by ourselves watching ESPN's combine coverage. John Wall walked up, unprovoked, and sat down with us for a good 45 minutes to an hour as we talked off the record about him, the combine, and basketball in general.

During this time at least half a dozen different members of the media came up and asked him for an unplanned, one on one interview, all of which Wall gladly accepted. I sat there listening to Wall answer the same questions over and over with ease and sincerity. Wall is a guy who has accepted that this is going to be a part of his life he's going to have to deal with going forward"

Posted by: divi3 | May 24, 2010 10:12 PM | Report abuse

"Amir Johnson
Ian Mahinimi
Craig Smith
DeAndre Jordan"

Maybe it's just me, but I find that group underwhelming. Why not just hang on to Singleton?

Posted by: Samson151

It's not either/or, they could do both. I think it makes a lot of sense for where the Wizards are at to try to pick up some of the young, talented but flawed or raw projects that will be available this offseason (some on that list, others who aren't) A kid like Amir Johnson has flashed talent, but hasn't been able to put it together. He's 23. About the time some guys start figuring it out.

Assuming he's not a head case, why not pick him up if he's reasonably cheap? The Wiz aren't building for '10/'11. They're trying to build their talent base.

The Wiz have been freed temporarily by their owner and by their fan base from being a 'contender', and having to make moves to shore up that status. Why not take advantage while they can to try to catch a little lightning in a bottle like they did with Livingston.

IMO, they should have 2 to 4 of those guys on the roster (beyond the young guys we already have). It would also be good to have some veteran true professionals around. A guy like Singleton fits that role.

Posted by: ts35 | May 24, 2010 10:22 PM | Report abuse

JJ Reddick from Duuuuke may yet save these Orlando Majic from being swept and not Vince Carter. Naaaw, that ain't right.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | May 24, 2010 10:51 PM | Report abuse

"sidenote: I can see favors or cousins going ahead of Evan Turner."Posted by: divi3

Favors, sure. Cousins -- well, which head coach and GM are the biggest masochists? Because I get the feeling that's who'll take DeMarcus.

Sacramento.

Posted by: Samson151 | May 24, 2010 11:11 PM | Report abuse

You have got to be kiddin me Ray Allen, and they said he was trade bait, for real, Ray Allen is a first rate baller.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | May 24, 2010 11:15 PM | Report abuse

I'm basing that list on Ted's public statements regarding how he plans to rebuild.

I'm not super impressed either BUT I do think that the Mahinimi and Mbenga are intriguing from the stand point that they have gone against all-stars in practice day in and out (Duncan and P. Gasol respectively).

Posted by: elfreako | May 24, 2010 11:40 PM | Report abuse

No sweep! No sweep! What are the odds that Orlando wins Florida? Pretty damn good. We may yet see something just great yet.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | May 24, 2010 11:44 PM | Report abuse

Good God, Vince Carter stinks.

Posted by: kalo_rama | May 24, 2010 11:47 PM | Report abuse

If that ESPN rumor about Philly is even remotely true, then a viable offer (at least as good as many other teams could make) is to offer up Arenas, our trade exceptions, and Young (if the salary is needed) for Brand, Dalembert, and the second pick.

Philly gets the highly productive vet that Collins wants. Igoudala is ball-handling SG with defensive ability similar to Hughes (though much much better) who would fit in well alongside Arenas. They get rid of Brand's contract and Dalembert's, potentially keeping them out of luxury tax land in the upcoming season, depending on what other money they spend. The negative for Philly is that it gives them nothing at PF and while reducing this year's salary, it doesn't help for the next few years.

The Wiz get a still solid PF (especially defensively) to back up Blatche, or play some alongside him. His contract is actually cheaper and a year shorter than Arenas'. Dalembert can play and contribute, but more importantly, his salary comes off the books after the next season. So we get his money back, or he becomes a trade asset at the deadline. And the second pick. The only negative here is that it eats up salary that could be spent on a top flight free agent this summer, but if we're truly in rebuilding mode, there's no free-agent talent young enough for us worth spending top dollar for short of Lebron or Bosh.

And if we did have the second pick, I'd take Favors.

Posted by: segastyle | May 25, 2010 2:50 AM | Report abuse

Focus on our picks, not other teams headaches. Brand has no business here, not even to move Arenas....though I really think they are going to move Gil no matter what it takes.

Posted by: divi3 | May 25, 2010 8:59 AM | Report abuse

Seagstyle, I like your thoughts - getting the 2nd pick would be awesome. However, I don't see Philly giving up a 2nd overall for Arenas and Young, especially since Minn. and others who have better pieces may be willing to move up. Philly, with Collins at the helm, will be looking to win now, and unloading Brand and Dalambert for cap reasons doesn't help achieve that end. Also, Philly does have Speights at PF, and he's pretty dang good.

Posted by: ZardsFan1 | May 25, 2010 9:39 AM | Report abuse

"Amir Johnson
Ian Mahinimi
Craig Smith
DeAndre Jordan"

Amir is hard to figure -- all you ever heard in Detroit was how pleased they were with him, even as they shipped to the D-League. They even claimed he'd grown to almost 6-11. Then he's been traded twice in the same year. He seems productive enough offensively, maybe a little bit of a black hole, but he can't seem to get on the court in either Detroit or Toronto.

Mahinmi is easier to understand, since he wasn't even on most NBA radar screens when the Spurs drafted him in 2005. He was just a big athletic kid without a clue about basketball -- a Popovich project. I think the hope was that someday he'd wake up and be Nene. So far, it hasn't happened.

Craig Smith's been productive whenever he's been on the court. He's one of those beefy guys who's a couple inches too short to match up against most of the league's power forwards, but somehow always manages to get his points and help out on the boards. That's the sort of bench player the Wiz need. He'll be 27 early this season, so I don't know how much better you can expect him to get. I don't think he's the equal of Brandon Bass.

DeAndre Jordan is certainly an impressive talent, and I'm not sure why he hasn't seen more time on the floor. Maybe it's the complete lack of an offensive game outside of dunks, or his inability to pass the ball back out of the post.

Posted by: Samson151 | May 25, 2010 9:50 AM | Report abuse

If the Sixers are looking to dump Brand to clear cap space, trading him for Arenas, who has a bigger, longer deal, doesn't make a whole lotta sense. And the likelihood that they won't be expecting a draft pick back is slim to none.

Posted by: kalo_rama | May 25, 2010 10:14 AM | Report abuse

Does anybody know whether Ted or the team has had their sitdown with Gilbert yet, as Ted indicated he would do with Gilbert?

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | May 25, 2010 11:10 AM | Report abuse

"I don't see Philly giving up a 2nd overall for Arenas and Young, especially since Minn. and others who have better pieces may be willing to move up. Philly, with Collins at the helm, will be looking to win now, and unloading Brand and Dalambert for cap reasons doesn't help achieve that end. Also, Philly does have Speights at PF, and he's pretty dang good." - ZardsFan1

I don't think the trade will happen, my scenario was based strictly off th erumors that the new coach wants a vet to win now with and that organization wants to dump salary. It's no secret they've wanted both Brand and Dalembert off the books for a while. I don't think many teams would be willing to take both. I think Speights is good. I guess I see him as a PF/C. So either way, they need another big man if they trade away Brand and Dalembert.


"If the Sixers are looking to dump Brand to clear cap space, trading him for Arenas, who has a bigger, longer deal, doesn't make a whole lotta sense." - kalo_rama

True, but taking on Dalembert's $12 mill in addition to Brand's $14 mil for Arenas makes more sense.

Again, if a team is hiring a coach to win now, but also trying to dump salary, it doesn't make _any_ sense. So either the rumors are just that, or the team isn't managed very well. Either one could be true in Philly... If they really are in win now mode, and want to give up their pick for that goal, I don't see many teams willing to offer up a player with the talent of Arenas.

Posted by: segastyle | May 25, 2010 11:19 AM | Report abuse

"Again, if a team is hiring a coach to win now, but also trying to dump salary, it doesn't make _any_ sense. So either the rumors are just that, or the team isn't managed very well. Either one could be true in Philly... If they really are in win now mode, and want to give up their pick for that goal, I don't see many teams willing to offer up a player with the talent of Arenas."

Arenas is not a "win now" player (as any Wiz fan should well know). Arenas is just as much damaged goods as Brand right now, maybe moreso. The idea that a rebuilding lottery team would bring him on as their centerpiece is just wishful thinking.

Posted by: kalo_rama | May 25, 2010 11:42 AM | Report abuse

Gilbert status anyone???

What is Arenas doing now anyways? Is he allowed to go to Chicago where his trainer is? Is he unlocking the VC in the morning ours to practice? Is he in the weight room with Blatche?

Is he even allowed back in the VC?

He was suspended for the rest of the season we know, but does he has to be formally reinstated back to the NBA and is he still suspended by the Wizards?

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | May 25, 2010 12:14 PM | Report abuse

Larry,

In comments after picking up the first pick, here's what EG said

"Gilbert is still with us. He's been down at our gym, working out and getting ready. The more good players you have, the better."

I don't know if he has to be reinstated by the league before he can play, but at the very least it answers the question that he has been allowed to work out at VC (unless they have another gym somewhere else that he's using). I would imagine he's also still doing his community service? If so, can't imagine he'll be able to go to work with Grover again, although it would be good if he could.

But I agree it is about time to get a real update on what Arenas is up to now and what his plans are for the summer. He's obviously heard both EG and Ted say that Gil is part of the team and also all of the rumors that they are trying to ship him out as soon as they can.

Since I don't recall having heard nary a tweet from him in a while, my guess is that his attorney, EG, Flip, Ted, and everyone he knows has advised him to keep quiet for a bit until things shake out.

Posted by: ts35 | May 25, 2010 12:37 PM | Report abuse

"Arenas is not a "win now" player (as any Wiz fan should well know). Arenas is just as much damaged goods as Brand right now, maybe moreso. The idea that a rebuilding lottery team would bring him on as their centerpiece is just wishful thinking." - kalo_rama

I never said anything about him being the centerpiece. The rumor says they want a productive vet. 23/7 a game is productive. way more so than Brand. Way more so than a lot of players. Arenas's issues sucked for the team last year, but let's not pretend they were the ONLY reason the team failed. The team was playing like crap before that happened. The overall team was jsut a bad makeup. I've been saying that for years.

Posted by: segastyle | May 25, 2010 1:29 PM | Report abuse

So what you're saying is that he's dominant. Whether defensively or offensively. It's basketball. It's not played in pieces.

Kevin Durant...dominant. Not defensively.

Bosh, Durant, Melo, Dirk, Nash...so what are they dominant offensively? Jason Kidd could even dominate a game but he wasn't a scorer.

Battier? What is he dominant defensively?

Rodman was dominant on the boards?

You can't break it into pieces.

A player can DOMINATE a game without scoring a point. Kinda like when he blocked 6 shots in the 1st quarter against the Bobcats.


Posted by: SDMDTSU | May 24, 2010 8:46 PM | Report abuse


a player can dominate the game on the defensive end (one facet of the game) or dominate the game on offense (one facet of the game) or even be dominant on the glass (one facet of the game), i understand that. It's just hard for me to call a player who often becomes an offensive liability (poor post moves, only finishes consistantly with the right hand or dunks,cannot creat offense for himself) a dominant player. He's a dominant defender, but Howard rarely takes over games and if he does have a big game it's usually because he's being force fed in the post, which usually has an advers effect on their rhythm jumpshooters who just get to watch him "go to work".

"Dwight Howard learns to play the game on the offensive end he will be truly dominant"

Yeah, otherwise he'll be a loser like that Bill Russell dude.

Posted by: Samson151 | May 24, 2010 8:47 PM | Report abuse
Really did you just compare a guy with 11 rings to a guy who can't score with his left hand? Bill Russell to Dwight Howard, really? I'm only 29 and I know better than to disrespect the man like that. U act like i'm the only person saying this about DH12, do you watch the games? Van Gundy and Jackso fry him during the game, Magic Charles and Kenny fry him during their respecive half time and pre game shows. DH may be imposing and dominating defender but he's not a dominant player (didn't Big Baby put up like a dub on him in game 3?)Boy Stop!)

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | May 25, 2010 3:14 PM | Report abuse

So what you're saying is that he's dominant. Whether defensively or offensively. It's basketball. It's not played in pieces.

why not? you play offense on one side of the court then you go all the way to the other side and play defense. On offense you have the ball, while playing defense, it's impossible to have the ball. The two situations seem to be mutually exclusive. If DH is dominant on the defensive end, but a liability on the offenseive end, how does that make him a dominant player? A dominant defender yes. But, using your logic, the game isn't played in pieces,you can't hang your hat on doing one thing well and call it dominant, while discounting the areas in which you are deficient. His defense is AP classes his offense is Remedial it balances off to be a B+ player, but tell me where your Dominant player went when the game was on the line. Does DH12 touch the ball inside of 3 mins? (unless it's a tip dunk play) I would think his ability to dominante the game would make him a go-to guy down the stretch.

Kevin Durant...dominant. Not defensively

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | May 25, 2010 3:25 PM | Report abuse

my bad yall i was about to say :

Kevin Durant...dominant. Not defensively

then not Dominant. He's a talented scorer and a good team leader, but if you A)give up the same amt you score or B)Let your NBA leading scoring average (the only thing you "Dominate") drop 5 ppg and let your fg% drop almost 15% first trip to the postseason you shouldn't be considered dominant.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | May 25, 2010 3:31 PM | Report abuse

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