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Celtics clobber Cavaliers

Michael Lee was in Cleveland last night for the beatdown, which he described as one of the worst playoff performances of LeBron James's career. The Celtics' 120-88 win gave them a 3-2 lead in the series, which resumes Thursday in Boston.

The angst in Cleveland is palpable. Last night could have been James's final home game at Quicken Loans Arena, since he is eligible to become a free agent this summer and the Cleveland Cavaliers are on the brink of elimination. Brian Windhorst of the Cleveland Plain Dealer says on his blog that that there is no one reason for the Cavaliers' collapse.

Yahoo Sports' Adrian Wojnarowski has some advice for James:

Stop strutting, stop preening, stop stomping away as an ungracious winner, a sore loser, and win something, LeBron.

In ex-Wizard news, Brendan Haywood was on ESPN 980's Sports Fix on Tuesday and compared Dallas to Washington, professionalism-wise (via the D.C. Sports Bog).

Click below for highlights from last night's game, courtesy of NBA.com.

By Alexa Steele  |  May 12, 2010; 10:18 AM ET
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I know it's too much to ask for, but having the Canadiens eliminate the Penguins and the Cavs get eliminated in the same week would be a pretty awesome consolation prize =)

Posted by: ts35 | May 12, 2010 10:54 AM | Report abuse

yes it would be ts35,

also someone else mentioned how KG is killing AJ. He's hitting that turnaround J like an open layup!

Posted by: millineumman | May 12, 2010 10:58 AM | Report abuse

Wow...just wow. It was almost like Lebron was trying to tank the game.

I'm sure he will be lights out in Game 6 and the Cavs may even miraculously win this series. However, can anyone see them getting past both the Magic and the Lakers?

Posted by: Lisa_R | May 12, 2010 11:01 AM | Report abuse

Yeah KG is killing AJ and LeTravel looks ordinary can't say i feel sorry for AJ after watching Comcast(DC) and hearing Mike Wise quote AJ saying that all Caron Butler cared about was his new contract really was this after you put on a mask and got what you wanted from the Pollin's way to through your teamate under the bus AJ.

Posted by: dargregmag | May 12, 2010 11:06 AM | Report abuse

also someone else mentioned how KG is killing AJ. He's hitting that turnaround J like an open layup!

Posted by: millineumman

Sadly for AJ, that turnaround J is the toughest shot AJ has been able to make Garnett have to take.

Posted by: ts35 | May 12, 2010 11:07 AM | Report abuse

"Sadly for AJ, that turnaround J is the toughest shot AJ has been able to make Garnett have to take. "

Made even sadder by the fact that it's a shot Garnett actually wants to take.

Posted by: kalo_rama | May 12, 2010 11:17 AM | Report abuse

"Sadly for AJ, that turnaround J is the toughest shot AJ has been able to make Garnett have to take. "

Made even sadder by the fact that it's a shot Garnett actually wants to take.

Posted by: kalo_rama

And yet, still an improvement over when AJ tried to 'front' Garnett and Garnett was getting high passes over-the-top for essentially uncontested layups.

Posted by: ts35 | May 12, 2010 11:33 AM | Report abuse

We are starting to see how that bunch performs when not feeding off Lebron's energy. Are they still having photo shoots before tip off. Maybe going at Lebron physically is the best method. Of course you have deal with the calls but you gotta try something. With that being said, I don't know if its the Donaghy thing or maybe it's just me but the star calls have tailored down some. That could be the difference. I have seen a few no calls when Lebron usually draws a foul by footballing through someone. Even saw Kobe upset quite a few times he didn't get a call.

Posted by: millineumman | May 12, 2010 11:54 AM | Report abuse

That would be nice millineumman. Although I think at the end of the first half LeBron was 0-4 from the field, but was still the Cavs leading scorer at that point with 8pts on 8-8 FTs

Posted by: ts35 | May 12, 2010 11:58 AM | Report abuse

Oh yeah, I get that ts,

but Lebron is ailing. How seriously, I don't know that but he doesn't have that same energy level and momentum it creates. Things just aren't dropping so easily for those other guys.

Posted by: millineumman | May 12, 2010 12:15 PM | Report abuse

its funny how on the cleveland plainsdealer they think its the apocalypse fire mike brown and a curse on cleveland sports. At least DC has won a superbowl within a generation.

Posted by: jefferu | May 12, 2010 12:24 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: djnnnou | May 12, 2010 12:31 PM | Report abuse

A large majority of the Wizards problems were summed up by watching AJ's performance last night. The Celts repeatedly posted him up with anybody he was guarding. If the Cavs (who play good help and team defense usually) can't cover up his deficiencies, how could we be expected to ?

Ironic bottom line:

Gil's gun thing cause us to have a fire sale with our players. We dumped salary to get rid of a malcontent center and a overpaid, overvalued, undersized forwards who can't play defense (CB and AJ).
The trade of AJ to the Cavs may just have doomed their franchise for the immediate future. Not only are they handicapped by their payroll, they may wind up losing LeBron if they lose this series. If they lose this series, it'll be because of this game in particular.
Using the Distributive Law of mathematics (or is is commutative?), the Cavs will lost the series and James because of Gil.
It don't get any sweeter than this.

Where's the Cavs fan who usually posts here? Any sign of him?

Posted by: original_mark | May 12, 2010 12:36 PM | Report abuse

Wonder if the Wiz would be able to get Eric Bledsoe with the pick from the Cavs?

Posted by: BT23 | May 12, 2010 12:38 PM | Report abuse

KG v 'Tawn maybe understandable based on physical disparity. But Glen "Big Baby" Davis schooling Jamison is inexcusably bad D. He drove past him, spun around him and looked like a super All_Star playing against someone whose sneakers were nailed to the court. Good move, EG; Jamison for "cap space" is a great deal.

Posted by: phil27 | May 12, 2010 12:40 PM | Report abuse

Jamison, Butler, and Haywood are no more the main reason those teams fell/appear to be falling short than they would be the main reason if they won a title.

Posted by: kalo_rama | May 12, 2010 10:12 AM

So they were signed to do what? Hope that Dirk and James could win a title alone? BTH's total ineffectiveness coupled with CBs hot/cold are a large part of why the Mavs lost.

And AJs inability to be a primary scorer when James is weirding out is Jamison not fulfilling the specific role he was signed for.

Posted by: divi3 | May 12, 2010 12:51 PM | Report abuse

Ernest Grunfeld is looking more and more like a genius everyday.

Antawn, Caron, and Brendan have all been exposed to be players that must have very specific roles in order to be successful. Antawn can't play defense to save his life. Caron is constantly seeking to be the man and wants a contract commensurate with such, even if he really is the third or fourth best player on the team. Brendan is a limited center who's looking for a big payday so he can promptly revert to being an underperforming stiff.

Anyone questioning Ernest's February moves now?

Posted by: melodious_thunk | May 12, 2010 12:55 PM | Report abuse

Mr Sportscenter chokes again. No suprise there. I guess he will whine that he doesn't have the support cast, his elbow is sore or blame it on the weather.

Perhaps he got crown King prematurely, because as of now he only looks like a Prince.

And for the record Shaq was done when the Laker losted to the Pistons in the finals. Anyone who pays 20+ million for his services is a chump.

Posted by: dcinmd1 | May 12, 2010 12:56 PM | Report abuse

"So they were signed to do what? Hope that Dirk and James could win a title alone? BTH's total ineffectiveness coupled with CBs hot/cold are a large part of why the Mavs lost."

Which would matter if I said they weren't part of the reason. But I said they weren't the main reason. (And I only said that as an adjunct to the point about the fact that they came from a 19-win team is meaningless.) The Mavs lost with those guys for the same reason they lost in previous years without them. Did the trade make the Mavs a title lock? Nope, but I said that when the trade happened (to much dissent and naysaying, as I recall). They didn't fail because they got guys from a "19 win team" as you implied. They failed because they got the wrong guys. But that doesn't automatically make Butler and Haywood the primary culprits in the loss. The Mavs are a flawed team and they had the same flaws after Butler/Haywood arrived as they did before they arrived.

"And AJs inability to be a primary scorer when James is weirding out is Jamison not fulfilling the specific role he was signed for."

Nonsense. Jamison wasn't acquired to be a "primary scorer." He was acquired to be a secondary scorer to James. His inability to carry a playoff team as the primary scorer is well-documented.

Posted by: kalo_rama | May 12, 2010 1:03 PM | Report abuse

Ernest Grunfeld is looking more and more like a genius everyday.

Antawn, Caron, and Brendan have all been exposed to be players that must have very specific roles in order to be successful. Antawn can't play defense to save his life. Caron is constantly seeking to be the man and wants a contract commensurate with such, even if he really is the third or fourth best player on the team. Brendan is a limited center who's looking for a big payday so he can promptly revert to being an underperforming stiff.

Anyone questioning Ernest's February moves now?

Posted by: melodious_thunk | May 12, 2010 12:55 PM | Report abuse

Good points except you forgot the fact that EG is the one that signed the inept players you described to multiyear-multimillions deals and all he did by trading them is clean up his own mess.
And by the way, he still got the biggest mess of them all still on the team clogging up just about 35% of cap space the next 4 years and thus, making this team irrelevant the next 4 years!

Posted by: Utilityman1 | May 12, 2010 1:15 PM | Report abuse

And AJs inability to be a primary scorer when James is weirding out is Jamison not fulfilling the specific role he was signed for."

Nonsense. Jamison wasn't acquired to be a "primary scorer." He was acquired to be a secondary scorer to James. His inability to carry a playoff team as the primary scorer is well-documented.

Posted by: kalo_rama | May 12, 2010 1:03 PM | Report abuse

Kalo, you need to learn to read people's comments BEFORE trying to wisely refute 98% of them. He never said that AJ was brought in to be the primary scorer. Au contraire actually, he stated when "James is weirding out", in other words, when Lebron fails to deliver some nights as the PRIMARY scorer, Jamison should pick up the slack, which he didn't do last night.

Posted by: Utilityman1 | May 12, 2010 1:21 PM | Report abuse

They may wind up losing LeBron if they lose this series. If they lose this series, it'll be because of this game in particular.
Using the Distributive Law of mathematics (or is is commutative?), the Cavs will lost the series and James because of Gil.
It don't get any sweeter than this.

Where's the Cavs fan who usually posts here? Any sign of him?
Posted by: original_mark

See? And here I thought the Cavs *might* lose because LeBron is struggling and because aside from KG, the Cavs can't contain Rondo, Pierce or Allen either. I thought they needed 4 wins to win the series, not just one.

And were you looking for the Transitive Property? If a=b and b=c then a=c? Are you sure you went to Math class?

Posted by: ts35 | May 12, 2010 1:25 PM | Report abuse

It all comes down to Team defense because boston has the one on one matchups

Williams Parker James >> Pierce
Jamison Shaq (age 38) == Perkins
Ilgauskus Verajao

Nobody can contain James by themselves but as a team they got it done.

Posted by: jefferu | May 12, 2010 1:33 PM | Report abuse

.a situation he created that will likely destroy Jarvis Crittendon's basketball career (you don't hear about that much)

Posted by: Max_in_Missouri | May 11, 2010 3:42 PM | Report abuse

Javaris who? Oh that's right, the guy who couldn't keep the starting job on a team that had pick up a 5'6" pg that had been run out of the league.

Javaris was lucky to have ever had an NBA contract. As I said a long time ago...only 75% of the players in the NBA know who he is, only 40% of the Wizards fans know who he is and less than 10% of the NBA fans know who he is and less than .01% of the American public outside of DC know who he is....and this is AFTER he got tons of press in the Arenas thing.

Posted by: jacksonward1 | May 12, 2010 1:39 PM | Report abuse

Javaris who? Oh that's right, the guy who couldn't keep the starting job on a team that had pick up a 5'6" pg that had been run out of the league.
Posted by: jacksonward1

He was injured this year and didn't play at all before his suspension, so the Boykins thing is unwarranted. Aside from that, you're probably spot on.

It is too bad though, because the kid does have ability. He just needs to do serious work on his game. Unfortunately, now he has the time.

Posted by: ts35 | May 12, 2010 1:45 PM | Report abuse

"Kalo, you need to learn to read people's comments BEFORE trying to wisely refute 98% of them. He never said that AJ was brought in to be the primary scorer."

You need to take your own advice.

And AJs inability to be a primary scorer when James is weirding out is Jamison not fulfilling the specific role he was signed for.

Posted by: divi3 | May 12, 2010 12:51 PM | Report abuse

Or, better yet, you need to stop giving advice, shut up, and go away.

Posted by: kalo_rama | May 12, 2010 1:46 PM | Report abuse

"Kalo, you need to learn to read people's comments BEFORE trying to wisely refute 98% of them. He never said that AJ was brought in to be the primary scorer."

You need to take your own advice.

And AJs inability to be a primary scorer when James is weirding out is Jamison not fulfilling the specific role he was signed for.

Posted by: divi3 | May 12, 2010 12:51 PM | Report abuse

Or, better yet, you need to stop giving advice, shut up, and go away.

Posted by: kalo_rama | May 12, 2010 1:47 PM | Report abuse

Don't know what you guys talking about. KG and 'Twan is just the side show. Cavs was routed because James just standing outside and shoot jump shots ("clunkers" to be precise), and the unimaginative of Cavs offense which is basically everybody stand still and wait for 'Brone to pass them the ball and shoot it.

Posted by: sagaliba | May 12, 2010 1:55 PM | Report abuse

He was injured this year and didn't play at all before his suspension, so the Boykins thing is unwarranted. Aside from that, you're probably spot on.

It is too bad though, because the kid does have ability. He just needs to do serious work on his game. Unfortunately, now he has the time.

Posted by: ts35 | May 12, 2010 1:45 PM | Report abuse


Just meant that to illustrate how thin we were at that spot, even before his injury. I guees he started a few games in 08-09, right? I could check myself, but then again, he really isn't worth the time.

Posted by: jacksonward1 | May 12, 2010 2:03 PM | Report abuse

"Kalo, you need to learn to read people's comments BEFORE trying to wisely refute 98% of them. He never said that AJ was brought in to be the primary scorer."

You need to take your own advice.

And AJs inability to be a primary scorer when James is weirding out is Jamison not fulfilling the specific role he was signed for.

Posted by: divi3 | May 12, 2010 12:51 PM | Report abuse

Or, better yet, you need to stop giving advice, shut up, and go away.

Posted by: kalo_rama | May 12, 2010 1:47 PM | Report abuse

Kalo, you really have logic issue and you seem quite dishonest by cherrypicking part of a statement to validate your usual misguided points.
He said "WHEN Lebron is weirding out", which means, when Lebron fails to become the primary option (which happens sometimes to even the greatest players), Jamison should step up and pick up the load. You should like to argue for the sake of it, don't you?

Posted by: Utilityman1 | May 12, 2010 2:05 PM | Report abuse

"He said "WHEN Lebron is weirding out", which means, when Lebron fails to become the primary option (which happens sometimes to even the greatest players), Jamison should step up and pick up the load"

exactly

Posted by: divi3 | May 12, 2010 2:08 PM | Report abuse

You "just" not "should".

Posted by: Utilityman1 | May 12, 2010 2:15 PM | Report abuse

Ernest Grunfeld is looking more and more like a genius everyday.

Antawn, Caron, and Brendan have all been exposed to be players that must have very specific roles in order to be successful. Antawn can't play defense to save his life. Caron is constantly seeking to be the man and wants a contract commensurate with such, even if he really is the third or fourth best player on the team. Brendan is a limited center who's looking for a big payday so he can promptly revert to being an underperforming stiff.

Anyone questioning Ernest's February moves now?

Posted by: melodious_thunk | May 12, 2010 12:55 PM | Report abuse
...........................................

LOL! Melodious is unintentionally hilarious, he specifically makes-mention of AJ's inability to play defense w/o mentioning the fact that his God Ernie Grunfeld over-payed horribly while EXTENDING the defensively challenged Jamison. Grunfeld also gave the largest contract in sports history to a player with multiple knee surgeries - also woefully inadequate defensively BEFORE the knee surgeries. Melodious doesn't thunk much :)

Posted by: closg | May 12, 2010 2:25 PM | Report abuse

Kalo, you really have logic issue and you seem quite dishonest by cherrypicking part of a statement to validate your usual misguided points.
He said "WHEN Lebron is weirding out", which means, when Lebron fails to become the primary option (which happens sometimes to even the greatest players), Jamison should step up and pick up the load. You should like to argue for the sake of it, don't you?

Posted by: Utilityman1

Considering that his comment about AJ came at the very end of a larger reply to the heart of the actual discussion.....isn't that exactly what you're doing?

Personally I thought AJ was brought in to be the quinary scorer and septenary defender on the floor at any given time....shows what I know.

Posted by: ts35 | May 12, 2010 2:30 PM | Report abuse

Which doesn't take away from the fact that there are indeed days that you couldn't convince Kalo that water is wet =)

Posted by: ts35 | May 12, 2010 2:31 PM | Report abuse

"The T'Wolves won 33 games the season before Garnett got traded. The Sonics won 31 games the season before Ray Allen got traded."

Uh, KG was a 10 time All-Star (3x all-nba 1st team, 6x all-defensive 1st team)and league MVP when Boston traded for him.

Ray Allen was a 7x All-Star and considered franchise-ish

Is there really an apt comparison between those two and any combo of AJ/CB/BTH? I dont think there is.

Posted by: divi3 | May 12, 2010 2:40 PM | Report abuse

"The T'Wolves won 33 games the season before Garnett got traded. The Sonics won 31 games the season before Ray Allen got traded."

Uh, KG was a 10 time All-Star (3x all-nba 1st team, 6x all-defensive 1st team)and league MVP when Boston traded for him.

Ray Allen was a 7x All-Star and considered franchise-ish

Is there really an apt comparison between those two and any combo of AJ/CB/BTH? I dont think there is.

Posted by: divi3

No, but that wasn't your initial comment. Your comment was that the Mavs and Cavs made a mistake pulling players from a bad team. Kal's response was that the record of the team isn't as compelling for a particular pick up as the quality of the given player is. So I think, in essence, you're making part of Kal's case for him. That the Cavs and Mavs mistake was not in trading with the Wiz, but in trading for those particular players.

I will now yield the floor for Kal to make the same point in 4 paragraphs =)

Posted by: ts35 | May 12, 2010 2:45 PM | Report abuse

The second part of the argument, as to whether those players were supposed to put those teams over the top or not, I would say is a draw. I think they were supposed to help put them over the top, but I don't think it is their fault(s) in particular that the Mavs didn't and the Cavs might not.

Posted by: ts35 | May 12, 2010 2:53 PM | Report abuse

ts35, I went to math class 30 years ago, sure.

Wanna make a side wager?

My salary is greater than your salary. I can do THAT math.

;)

Posted by: original_mark | May 12, 2010 2:58 PM | Report abuse

The beauty of it is not just Cleveland looking extremely vulnerable, but the FACT that somebody was riding LeBron's you know what, thinking that he came to the yucky city of Cleveland to WIN ONE FOR THE KING!

Talk about a lask hurrah! Get the f--k out of here!

Posted by: G-Man11 | May 12, 2010 2:59 PM | Report abuse

The beauty of it is not just Cleveland looking extremely vulnerable, but the FACT that somebody was riding LeBron's you know what, thinking that he came to the yucky city of Cleveland to WIN ONE FOR THE KING!

Talk about a last hurrah! Get the f--k out of here!

Posted by: G-Man11 | May 12, 2010 2:59 PM | Report abuse

well, if we're going to get nitpicky about it....31-33 wins is far better than 19wins, so kal's point still bombs!

Posted by: divi3 | May 12, 2010 3:00 PM | Report abuse

My salary is greater than your salary. I can do THAT math.

;)

Posted by: original_mark

I'm sure being head of the Mortgage Bond division of Goldman Sachs does pay very well.

It just goes to prove the American Dream....that you can be rich and still not be that bright. =)

Posted by: ts35 | May 12, 2010 3:05 PM | Report abuse

well, if we're going to get nitpicky about it....31-33 wins is far better than 19wins, so kal's point still bombs!

Posted by: divi3

Lol! You wins! =)

Posted by: ts35 | May 12, 2010 3:07 PM | Report abuse

The Grunfeld is an idiot or genius debate can swing either way, depending on what period of, or point in, time you judge him by. He's made some good moves and some bad moves--I'd say he's average as a GM. What pushes me to think his ouster is in order are the repeated nuggets that leak out about the lack of a cohesive culture and discipline that has afflicted this franchise during his tenure. Yes, Abe may have been very meddlesome, but EG is President of Basketball Operations. When Haywood takes a shot at the management of the team, as he just did in the link above (as many others have), the buck stops with Grunfeld. At the end of the day, EG strikes me as deal-maker and not someone who can build a champsionship organization.

Posted by: jweber1 | May 12, 2010 3:31 PM | Report abuse

Fools gold having Haywood guard Garnett.

Why? Why even attempt?

Anybody with any BBall smarts would not have Jamison trying to guard Garnett.

Why?

Don't they have at least three other guys more capable of playing big man defense against Garnett than Jamison.

Questionable coaching.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | May 12, 2010 3:43 PM | Report abuse

Don't they have at least three other guys more capable of playing big man defense against Garnett than Jamison.

Questionable coaching.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD

I think the problem Mike Brown has is that whoever he puts Jamison on, the Celts are picking on him. I saw at one point they had AJ guarding Big Baby and I think Varejao was guarding KG. So they just went into Big Baby, who also took it right to AJ.

Given KG, Allen and Pierce can all shoot, and Rondo has been killing them, it's seems to me like it's hard for them to give AJ much help on the D end either.

Posted by: ts35 | May 12, 2010 3:52 PM | Report abuse

Perhaps Mike Brown should play JJ Hickson more than 4mins....

Posted by: divi3 | May 12, 2010 3:59 PM | Report abuse

Perhaps Mike Brown should play JJ Hickson more than 4mins....

Posted by: divi3

That's probably true, but it's also probably moot if LeBron doesn't produce like LeBron.

Posted by: ts35 | May 12, 2010 4:03 PM | Report abuse

Ohio will be out at game 6.I know they vcan not win but i will be vcery happy if boston win it all.It is so good to see how they are vcovcering eavch other.What a defensive plan.

Posted by: gtefferra | May 12, 2010 4:04 PM | Report abuse

That's probably true, but it's also probably moot if LeBron doesn't produce like LeBron.

Posted by: ts35 | May 12, 2010 4:03 PM

yup, downright bizarre the way he played last night. 4 FG attempts in the 1st half? Turrible

Posted by: divi3 | May 12, 2010 4:08 PM | Report abuse

About Lebron James. Here's what I posted 6-days ago.

There is a huge story a brewing and I'm surprised that not much is being made of it. Let me be the first to say that Lebron James's suspicious injury will become the story of NBA playoffs.

The boy is hurt and Cleveland is going down in this series.

The injury that Lebron has is self-inflicted by the NBA.

SELF-INFLICTED BY THE NBA.

Let me explain.

Going back to last years playoffs against the Majic when it became blatant, the uncalled charging fouls by Lebron is in my opinion is the cause of his mysterious injury.

Over the past two seasons, due to Lebrons annoiting, he has been allowed to bowl through people with few fouls being called against him for charging.

What essentially has been happening is that Lebron has been allowed to bowl/leverage through players football-like and he has been given blocking calls for this type of play.

In the first round playoff series and I don't recall the players name but the player clearly established position out on the floor and Lebron shoulders through the right side of the players shoulder, knocks him to the floor and a foul is called against the player.

This physical play takes a toll on the body eventually and since the referees and the League did not see fit to clean up this charging through players by Lebron over a period of two years now, nature has taken its toll.

Football players get injuries over time just from physical contact in games and practice as well.

Lebron has been allowed to initiate football-like contact on his drives to the basket unchecked for two years now.

The referees and the League allow him to do this and as a result his body has finally taken on a mysterious football-like injury because of it.

Cleveland will lose to Boston becuase of it and certainly Orlando again, but they won't get that far.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | May 6, 2010 11:41 AM

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | May 12, 2010 4:12 PM | Report abuse

"Anyone questioning Ernest's February moves now?Posted by: melodious_thunk"

Well, sure. Look how little he got for those three players.

I understand why Grunfeld had to make those trades, and I appreciate the circumstances that prevailed back then. Given that he was unable to rid the team of the burdensome Arenas contract, he still had to prepare was preparing the team for sale to new ownership. It was the next best thing to a fire sale.

Still, you'd think we could have gotten a little something for ourselves...

Posted by: Samson151 | May 12, 2010 4:20 PM | Report abuse

And to belabor the point a bit about Lebron being hurt. Everytime they would show a close up of his face, he showed a worried uncomfortable look to me.

A sportscaster today remarked that if he was hurt why did we not see any real indication of it last night?

The obvious answer is that if he is really hurt and he team knows it and he knows it, then he would have already taken some drugs for the pain. Legal of course.

How does Mike Brown know he will be ready for game six? He dosen't. He is just guessing.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | May 12, 2010 4:26 PM | Report abuse

@utilityman1, closg

Ernest Grunfeld brought Jamison, Arenas and Butler to Washington when their careers were on the up-tick. They were ascending stars that led the team to multiple playoff appearances, not to mention their appearing in mulitple all-star games. Stated differently, Ernest took players who had accomplished little and made them players of note. FACTS THAT CANNOT BE DENIED.

Ernest bears no responsibility for the second signing of Arenas and Jamison. None. That had the old man's fingerprints all over it. Arenas was the fan draw and demanded that Jamison be signed or he would walk. Without Arenas around, Pollin feared that ticket sales would plummet. It really is that simple. It was strictly business with Arenas. He brought in more money than he was earning. Don't you get it?

Finally, the contract Ernest signed Brendan to was reasonable given his fair, not great production. Conversely, the contract that Brendan signs with some dolt GM this summer will be larger, I dare say.

When Ernest Grunfeld is around we have a genius running our Wizards. No doubt about it.


Posted by: melodious_thunk | May 12, 2010 4:46 PM | Report abuse

"Is there really an apt comparison between those two and any combo of AJ/CB/BTH? I dont think there is."

If I were comparing them as individual players, that might be a valid point. But since I clearly wasn't it clearly isn't.

You said that the Mavs and the Cavs screwed up by pinning their hopes on players taken from a 19-lottery team, the obvious implication being that the teams' record served as some kind of obvious indicator of the caliber of players they were getting. I simply pointed out a multitude of examples that blew your point out of the water, noting that it is, in fact, quite possible to get difference making players from a crappy lottery team. The fact that you're now reciting the Allen/Gasol/Garnett greatest hits only underscores my point: The trades weren't bad because the Mavs/Cavs got players from a 19-win team. They were bad because they got the wrong players for what they needed. The record of the team they came from is irrelevant.

Posted by: kalo_rama | May 12, 2010 5:03 PM | Report abuse

"Which doesn't take away from the fact that there are indeed days that you couldn't convince Kalo that water is wet =)"


http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=scientists-create-dry-wat

Posted by: kalo_rama | May 12, 2010 5:04 PM | Report abuse

"well, if we're going to get nitpicky about it....31-33 wins is far better than 19wins,"

And a quick drowning death is far better than a slow death from smoke inhalation, but the end result is the same.

Posted by: kalo_rama | May 12, 2010 5:06 PM | Report abuse

"I will now yield the floor for Kal to make the same point in 4 paragraphs =)"

Got it in two. Beer's on you.

Posted by: kalo_rama | May 12, 2010 5:07 PM | Report abuse

"And to belabor the point a bit about Lebron being hurt. Everytime they would show a close up of his face, he showed a worried uncomfortable look to me."

That look may have had more to do with being well on the way to a 32-point drubbing on his home court in a critical playoff game than it did his elbow.

Posted by: kalo_rama | May 12, 2010 5:12 PM | Report abuse

"Ray Allen was a 7x All-Star and considered franchise-ish"

Oh, and this is nonsense. Ray Allen is about as much a franchise player as Arenas or Jamison.

Posted by: kalo_rama | May 12, 2010 5:17 PM | Report abuse

"Which doesn't take away from the fact that there are indeed days that you couldn't convince Kalo that water is wet =)"


http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=scientists-create-dry-wat
Posted by: kalo_rama

ROFL! Touche my friend, touche.


"I will now yield the floor for Kal to make the same point in 4 paragraphs =)"

Got it in two. Beer's on you.

Posted by: kalo_rama

It absolutely is, and by the way, I wasn't being critical, as I usually would do the same in 6 paragraphs instead of 4 =).

Posted by: ts35 | May 12, 2010 5:20 PM | Report abuse

"He said "WHEN Lebron is weirding out", which means, when Lebron fails to become the primary option (which happens sometimes to even the greatest players), Jamison should step up and pick up the load. "

Two things:

(A) That may well bee what he meant, but it's not what he said. If you say something that doesn't accurately reflect your own meaning, you've got no right to complain when people respond to what you say rather than what you meant. (B) Even if that is what he meant . . . It's still wrong. Jamison was NOT brought onto the Cavs to "step up and pick up the load" when James "fails to become the primary option" because (1) James, as long as he's on the floor, will always be the primary option (whether he's effective on a particular night or not) and (2) the load James carries on the Cavs is way to big for any one player to pick up and everyone knows it. The idea that Jamison was brought in as an occasional Lebron surrogate is ridiculous. Jamison was brought in to be a secondary option in support of James. Period.

"You should like to argue for the sake of it, don't you?"

Oh, I love to argue for the sake of it. But not nearly as much as I love to argue for the sake of proving wrong someone who's acting like they know what they're talking about when, in fact, they're talking out of their ass.

So, either way you cut it, this has been a good day.

Posted by: kalo_rama | May 12, 2010 5:33 PM | Report abuse

"It absolutely is, and by the way, I wasn't being critical, as I usually would do the same in 6 paragraphs instead of 4 =)."

No worries.

Posted by: kalo_rama | May 12, 2010 5:34 PM | Report abuse

actually there is huge difference between a 19 win Eastern conf team and a 33 win western conf squad...trying to waive that disparity off while continually nitpickig every syllable of other posts to belabor your points is disingenuous.

The Wizards were a 19 win squad and dismal this season because of how lacking AJ, CB, and BTH are not despite their efforts. The "right players" would never be found teamed up on an Eastern Conf cellar dweller....as Dallas especially learned the hard way.

Posted by: divi3 | May 12, 2010 5:37 PM | Report abuse

"The Wizards were a 19 win squad and dismal this season because of how lacking AJ, CB, and BTH are not despite their efforts. The "right players" would never be found teamed up on an Eastern Conf cellar dweller....as Dallas especially learned the hard way."

The season Gasol got traded to the Lakers, the team he left won 22 games, while the Lakers went to the Finals.

We'll all wait while you unbale the hay and start building the straw man needed to argue that 22 wins is "much better" than 19.

Posted by: kalo_rama | May 12, 2010 5:41 PM | Report abuse

actually there is huge difference between a 19 win Eastern conf team and a 33 win western conf squad...trying to waive that disparity off while continually nitpickig every syllable of other posts to belabor your points is disingenuous.

The Wizards were a 19 win squad and dismal this season because of how lacking AJ, CB, and BTH are not despite their efforts. The "right players" would never be found teamed up on an Eastern Conf cellar dweller....as Dallas especially learned the hard way.

Posted by: divi3

The Wiz won 26 games this year, or did you mean 19 at the time they started trading (technically I think it was 17 or 18, but who's counting?)

Posted by: ts35 | May 12, 2010 5:55 PM | Report abuse

The "right players" would never be found teamed up on an Eastern Conf cellar dweller..
Posted by: divi3

And there's no chance Dallas would have been better if they had grabbed Brook Lopez and Devin Harris off of New Jersey? (12 wins). Tyreke Evans and Carl Landry off of Sacramento? Tayshaun Prince and Richard Hamilton from Detroit? Al Jefferson and Corey Brewer from Minnesota? Ok, I'm starting to reach here, but I think you see the point.

Posted by: ts35 | May 12, 2010 6:04 PM | Report abuse

"And to belabor the point a bit about Lebron being hurt. Everytime they would show a close up of his face, he showed a worried uncomfortable look to me."

That look may have had more to do with being well on the way to a 32-point drubbing on his home court in a critical playoff game than it did his elbow.

Posted by: kalo_rama | May 12, 2010 5:12 PM

I know Cleveland hopes like hell that the look on his face was just the result of a good butt whipping.

But Kalo, I remember when I first started blogging here, somebody accused you of blogging with the dictionary next to you.

That is still so funny, but your water is wet/dry comeback is a slammer. And you just didn't slam the just a little ole' dictionary, but you slammed with a scientific journal.

Talking about being resourceful, thats very good. I wonder what that fellow thinks now. Who was that by the way?

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | May 12, 2010 7:26 PM | Report abuse

Ernie G is at best an average GM. A little better than average with trades, much worse than average with the draft and player development. His won and loss record is average.

Ernie looks good compared to the previous GMs who either did not want the job or were not good at it or both.

I don't think that average is good enough for Ted Leonsis. It is just a matter of time before Ernie G is replaced.

Posted by: JoeC2 | May 12, 2010 7:55 PM | Report abuse

Ernest Grunfeld will NEVER be replaced.

Posted by: melodious_thunk | May 12, 2010 8:53 PM | Report abuse

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