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Evan Turner: 'I want to try to be a Hall of Fame player'

By Michael Lee  |  May 21, 2010; 12:33 PM ET
 
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To Evan Turner: Son; you won't be a HOF player with this franchise not with Flip Saunders coaching, do yourself a favor get with another team because the two people running the day to day operations(on the court and the GM's office) ain't got a clue, by the way good luck.

Posted by: dargregmag | May 21, 2010 12:42 PM | Report abuse

appreciate the clips mike lee, but come on son, people are trying to talk here and there a new post every 5!

Posted by: divi3 | May 21, 2010 1:02 PM | Report abuse

Does it concern you at all that Gil must be the center of attention at all times? I personally see him being terribly threatened by Wall...would he be willing to support Wall and say this kid is the future of this team? I can't see it.

Posted by: The_Shadow_Knows | May 21, 2010 12:20 PM

Actually I think AB is the one to worry about on that score. Gil can laugh all the way to the bank, he very well may have signed a bigger deal than Wall will ever see.

It's AB who just came into his own and wants to see a payday. Seemed to embrace being the focal point of the team, on and off the court. Wearing suits, giving good interviews, trying to be face of the franchise.

hopefully the chemistry works....cause AB strikes me as someone who will be troublesome if the media makes a 19yr old steal his new found thunder.

Of course, if wall is ballin, AB is going to look even better than he did last season and all will be well

Posted by: divi3 | May 21, 2010 1:07 PM | Report abuse

To Evan Turner: Son; you won't be a HOF player with this franchise not with Flip Saunders coaching

Posted by: dargregmag

Kevin Garnett's not a HoF player?

Posted by: ts35 | May 21, 2010 1:10 PM | Report abuse

Don't forget about McGee, he going to be a much better player with Wall penetrating and dumping/looping the ball off to McGee. It hard to guard a quick PG from the inside when not knowing he's going to shoot or pass the ball. And it impossible to stop McGee when he's 30 feet in the air. I just hope he in the weigh room right now.

Posted by: demonj21 | May 21, 2010 1:13 PM | Report abuse

@dargregmag

Yet, oddly, Grunfeld and Saunders have got more of a clue than the coach that YOU, dargregmag, openly pined for without shame. You know the Sixers wanted Eddie gone in the worst way when they summarily fired him and his band of losers after only one year of a three-year guaranteed contract. Conversely, Leonsis has embraced our Grunfeld and Saunders and entrusted them with this most important phase of the franchise's rebuilding effort.

So, Evan, do what most of us do and ignore his well-intentioned but nevertheless feeble-minded and off-the-mark advice.

Posted by: melodious_thunk | May 21, 2010 1:15 PM | Report abuse

Conversely, Leonsis has embraced our Grunfeld and Saunders and entrusted them with this most important phase of the franchise's rebuilding effort.

With respect, m_t, Ted doesn't own the team yet, so he hasn't officially done anything with EG or Flip. Just sayin'.

Posted by: ts35 | May 21, 2010 1:28 PM | Report abuse

Wall is a bit sometimey on D, but has demonstrated many times he can absolutely get after it. You know Flip is going to make the rook give max effort on D too.

Dare I say there's a possibility backcourt defensive could become a team strength when NY and Wall are on the floor???

Posted by: divi3 | May 21, 2010 1:33 PM | Report abuse

@ts35

You have silenced me. Temporarily.

Posted by: melodious_thunk | May 21, 2010 1:41 PM | Report abuse

Wasn't he 45% owner for a bit? That still constitutes him to be an owner. Also, I am sure, a lot of the moves they have made were because they pretty much new his impending majority ownership.

Posted by: merajc86 | May 21, 2010 1:52 PM | Report abuse

LOL! Like Chris Tucker in "Friday"?

"I be quiet. But when [Leonsis takes over], I be talking again. "

(I'm really just looking for any flimsy excuse to quote Chris Tucker)

Posted by: ts35 | May 21, 2010 1:54 PM | Report abuse

Dare I say there's a possibility backcourt defensive could become a team strength when NY and Wall are on the floor???

Posted by: divi3

No. =)

Posted by: ts35 | May 21, 2010 1:56 PM | Report abuse

With respect, m_t, Ted doesn't own the team yet, so he hasn't officially done anything with EG or Flip. Just sayin'.

He's already announced that EG and Flip will be retained as GM and coach, respectively. I think that that's about as "official" as it's going to get.

Posted by: rbpalmer | May 21, 2010 2:03 PM | Report abuse

No. =)

Posted by: ts35 | May 21, 2010 1:56 PM

New beginnings my friend! Who knows how it will all play out, but for now I'm going the total optimist route

Posted by: divi3 | May 21, 2010 2:19 PM | Report abuse

Hadn't seen an announcement, only heard Ted talk around it a lot, much like he has the first overall pick. But if he did announce it already, my apologies M_T, please continue beating dag like a rented mule in written form =)

Posted by: ts35 | May 21, 2010 2:20 PM | Report abuse

New beginnings my friend! Who knows how it will all play out, but for now I'm going the total optimist route

Posted by: divi3

Me too, that's why I'm aiming for "not sucking on D, and forming a good partnership on O". Anything more than that given Young's past and that Wall will be a rookie approaches Icarus levels of optimism, imho. =)

If Wall is prepared to function as a real PG, Nick should be as big a beneficiary as anyone, just as he improved when Livingston started setting him up instead of Foye-kins.

Posted by: ts35 | May 21, 2010 2:26 PM | Report abuse

Mel.Thunk; Stop bringing up Philly! I'm comparing what they did in DC, Flip had the same players as EJ and lost 56 games and had a better bench and more depth, all i'm saying is that Flip and Ernie don't deserve the benefit of the #1 pick because they'll screw that up just like they did last season just remember the last two years, 118 loses!

Posted by: dargregmag | May 21, 2010 2:30 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: djnnnou | May 21, 2010 2:32 PM | Report abuse

Lol, I think they goofed on Greivis's measurements. They list his height at 6'5", and his standing reach at.....6'5". Either they goofed, or someone forgot to tell GV to put his arms up =)

Posted by: ts35 | May 21, 2010 2:39 PM | Report abuse

Ouch. Monroe and Cousins are the same height, but Cousins has 5 more inches of 'reach.' In an area of the draft where the differences between players are pretty small, that kind of thing can hurt a bit (as in dropping a slot or two, not dropping far). Since Monroe may end up playing more PF than C (I think he should play PF), hopefully it won't affect him much.

Posted by: ts35 | May 21, 2010 2:43 PM | Report abuse

The body fat measurements are suspect too.

Posted by: djnnnou | May 21, 2010 2:44 PM | Report abuse

The body fat measurements are suspect too.

Maybe not, I take that back.

Posted by: djnnnou | May 21, 2010 2:51 PM | Report abuse

The body fat measurements are suspect too.

Maybe not, I take that back.

Posted by: djnnnou | May 21, 2010 2:51 PM

nah, you're right, 8% is absolutely shredded and those numbers go way below that. Cousins is probably higher than 16% too, but it doesnt really matter

Posted by: divi3 | May 21, 2010 2:56 PM | Report abuse

NBA Combine Video Interviews: Wall, Favors, Monroe, Udoh, Orton

Orton Kills Cousins in the first three minutes of his interview. Monroe and Udoh are worth watching.

Posted by: djnnnou | May 21, 2010 2:58 PM | Report abuse

@dargregmag,

You're missing my larger point. Given your "I'm in the tank for Eddie" position, your judgement is, at best, faulty and, more likely, flat-out bad. Further, you don't let the facts keep you from making false conclusions. To wit--Kevin Garnett was a HoFer before he ever slipped on a Celtics jersey. Who was his coach in Minny?

Only after you cease focusing solely on the last two years as if the last two years neatly and concisely sum up Ernest Grunfeld's whole tenure with the Wizards will I let up on Jordan. In fact, I would never again mention your early season prognostication that Jordan was a great coach and would lead Philly to the playoffs (*snicker*).

Posted by: melodious_thunk | May 21, 2010 3:02 PM | Report abuse

Well, Favors turns out to be a quarter-inch under 6'9", and a quarter-inch over 6'10" in shoes (those are some shoes, huh?). And 245 lbs. Standing reach a respectable 9'2".

Power forward. Of course we have to see his jumping numbers.

Cousins is much taller ('longer', the scouts like to say), but did you notice that 292 lbs and 16% body fat? Second only to our favorite fat guy, Dexter Pittman.

John Wall is a hair under 6'3" but a sturdy 196, which should serve him well on his way to the basket against Boston.

Posted by: Samson151 | May 21, 2010 3:07 PM | Report abuse

Eric Bledsoe turns out to be a little smaller than hoped but would still be an excellent pickup at 30 (should be gone by then, however). Wes Johnson on the other hand is noticeably longer than Evan Turner.

Posted by: Samson151 | May 21, 2010 3:17 PM | Report abuse

cousins at 292 and 16% is all the proof you need that Shaq is currently 400 pounds. He was holding Perkins back using just his one arm, unreal. Not sure when we'll see another Shaq, would have thought there'd be several of them by now but maybe the mold done broke

Posted by: divi3 | May 21, 2010 3:30 PM | Report abuse


What kind of shoes is Cole Aldrich wearing?? 6'9" w/o and 6'11.25" with? I'm picturing Antonio Fargas in "I'm Gonna Git You Sucka" with the platforms that have fish swimming in 'em. Sheesh!

Seriously though, he's shorther than most thought. Can't help his draft stock since he's not that athletic either.

Posted by: bobabuie | May 21, 2010 3:38 PM | Report abuse

Well, Favors turns out to be a quarter-inch under 6'9", and a quarter-inch over 6'10" in shoes (those are some shoes, huh?). And 245 lbs. Standing reach a respectable 9'2".

Power forward. Of course we have to see his jumping numbers.
Posted by: Samson151

First, who the hell was asking Favors questions in that interview. The interviewer was terrible. Unfortunately Favors didn't come off great either, but I dismiss that a little bit because he is still young.

To your original (way back) point Samson, Favors does compare favorably with Howard at this point. Similar size (I think Howard's reach is 9'3.5", but the height is the same). Both athletic freaks. If Favors' body fills out like Howard's did (and if he works as hard) he could become a Howard-like center. I just don't think you can draft him expecting him to be that. It's kind of like when everyone was looking for the 'next Jordan', based on vertical. Regardless, he should at the very least become a great PF-PF/C.

Bledsoe at 30 would be nice....and you're right, there's no chance. After watching his interview, I'd kinda like to draft Orton too (also no chance at 30). Don't know what kind of player he's going to be, but he's entertaining!

Posted by: ts35 | May 21, 2010 3:39 PM | Report abuse

And you're also right that 292 is not a good number for Cousins.

Posted by: ts35 | May 21, 2010 3:39 PM | Report abuse

What kind of shoes is Cole Aldrich wearing?? 6'9" w/o and 6'11.25" with? I'm picturing Antonio Fargas in "I'm Gonna Git You Sucka" with the platforms that have fish swimming in 'em. Sheesh!

Posted by: bobabuie

Lol! Might be a typo, I thought they just factored a standardized 1.25" for w/ shoe height, not measured them in actual shoes. But no idea if that's true.

Posted by: ts35 | May 21, 2010 3:42 PM | Report abuse

Associated Press
WASHINGTON -- The NHL is in better financial shape than the NBA because of a salary cap "that protects owners from taking stupid pills," says the owner who is about to have control of teams in both leagues.

Washington Capitals owner Ted Leonsis told the National Press Club on Friday that he's getting a firsthand look at the NHL-NBA differences as he prepares to take over as majority owner of the Washington Wizards.

"I'm surprised because now I see all of the NBA financials," Leonsis said. "And I'd honestly have to say at this point in time that the NHL is stronger than the NBA, clearly because it has a CBA in place that protects owners from taking stupid pills.

"There is a hard cap in the NHL. In the NBA, you can spend a lot of money and every dollar you're over this luxury tax you get fined. And there's a lot of basketball teams who are losing a lot of money," he said.

The NBA is expected to push for changes in its flexible salary cap structure when its collective bargaining agreement expires after next season, and a lockout is possible if the players' union doesn't agree.

Leonsis has already been through that scenario, overspending for Jaromir Jagr and other players not long after buying the Capitals in 1999. After the NHL lockout in 2004-05, Leonsis rebuilt his team through the draft under a new CBA with a hard salary cap.

Leonsis plans the same approach with the Wizards, once the NBA approves his purchase of the team from the estate of the late Abe Pollin. It starts with the No. 1 overall pick in the draft, which the franchise won earlier this week in the NBA lottery.

"The Washington Capitals' plan is one now that is being best-practiced by lots of other teams," Leonsis said. "And I believe [in] young players that you can mold and teach, and they'll know that if they play well they will be the ones who are rewarded with your loyalty and money -- not strangers who have been productive for another team."

Leonsis said he plans to start out his NBA ownership "as an idiot savant," talking to every person in the company and every owner in the league. His personal interactions with fans -- particularly through e-mails -- that have made him such a popular NHL owner will carry over to the NBA.

Many in the room applauded when an audience member asked if Leonsis would consider changing the Wizards' name back to the Bullets and reinstate the Bullets' red, white and blue color scheme. Leonsis said that issue wasn't exactly at the top of his list, but he didn't rule it out. Pollin had changed the name because of the violent connotation of the word "bullets."

"I probably will like red colors more than the teal-blue that they have," Leonsis said. "I intend to listen to people, but I also think Mr. Pollin made a personal decision and I want to understand it, and I want to pay the appropriate respect that a decision like that would deserve."

Posted by: ElBigChroizo | May 21, 2010 3:57 PM | Report abuse

" Shaq is currently 400 pounds. He was holding Perkins back using just his one arm, unreal. Not sure when we'll see another Shaq, would have thought there'd be several of them by now but maybe the mold done broke
Posted by: divi3"

Shaq is in his own category as a physical marvel. There have been centers that big, and centers who were quicker, but that big and that quick? I can't think of any. Once he began to develop some skills, he was in the running for best ever. Not the winner, but a candidate.

Posted by: Samson151 | May 21, 2010 3:58 PM | Report abuse

"Seriously though, [Cole Aldrich is] shorther than most thought. Can't help his draft stock since he's not that athletic either.Posted by: bobabuie"

See, I think he's helped himself. He was listed at 6'10" in the Kansas program, and in shoes that's exactly right. Scouts already know he has an excellent base and is hard to move in the pivot, a big advantage for a low-post defender. We don't have his jumping numbers yet, but his standing reach is 9'3.5", well above Monroe, Favors, and Epke Udoh. He's not as long as the 7 footers like Jerome Jordan, Solomon Alabi, or Hassan Whiteside, but he's quicker than those guys, and a better offensive player. So I wouldn't be surprised if he goes second among the pivots, not long after Cousins.

Posted by: Samson151 | May 21, 2010 4:07 PM | Report abuse

Cousins is a big talent but I wouldn't be all that surprised to see him talk himself out of the top 4 by draft time. Favors is maybe a year away but has that huge upside and would look good next to Brook Lopez. The Wolves need a wing player, and that's Wes Johnson or as a longer shot, Aminu. That would put Cousins in Sacramento, playing with another great penetrating PG.

Posted by: Samson151

I wouldn't be surprised if Orton talked Cousins out of the top 4 either =)

The only thing I would say about the T-Wolves is that they can afford to go with BPA at 4, because they have other good picks in the middle of the first and there are a lot of good perimeter players there. But based on game, maturity, etc, I agree that Johnson is probably the best fit. Even though they are stacked in the starting frontcourt with Love and Jefferson, Monroe would also be interesting as a big who brings different skills than the guys they have (or if they decide to trade Jefferson).

Posted by: ts35 | May 21, 2010 4:08 PM | Report abuse

Dare I say there's a possibility backcourt defensive could become a team strength when NY and Wall are on the floor???

Posted by: divi3 | May 21, 2010 1:33 PM

I wouldn't rule it out. Nick Young is going to have a fantastic year, but not because the light bulb comes on or anything like that. He's in a contract year and having a "breakout" season seems to come with the territory for many Wiz players in the past when in that position (Thomas, Hughes, Jeffries, etc.) I'm surprised Foye didn't average 25 and 10 last season. Maybe he really is a dud.

Posted by: bobabuie | May 21, 2010 4:15 PM | Report abuse

Aldrich is almost a BTH2.0 and should be drafted accordingly imho. He's smaller and wont be quite as good defensively but has far superior hands and will score a little more.

Posted by: divi3 | May 21, 2010 4:41 PM | Report abuse

I like that EG has stated they have no requirement to burn all of their cap space this year. If the Wiz could make a couple of smaller moves, relatively speaking, such as acquiring David Lee and raping Josh Howard for whatever the min is for his year player. Sign Wall and another rookie or two and use this as a development year for Wall and building continuity with Blatche, McGee, and Young.

Then next year you break the bank for Durant and it is on.

I would be just fine with the following and another rookie, and a couple of low level FAs for this year:

John Wall
Nick Young
Josh Howard
Andray Blatche
David Lee

Shaun Livingston
Cartier Martin
Quinton Ross
Al Thorton
JaVale McGee

Greivis Vasquez

Posted by: The_Shadow_Knows | May 21, 2010 5:02 PM | Report abuse

"Love and Jefferson, Monroe would also be interesting as a big who brings different skills than the guys they have (or if they decide to trade Jefferson).Posted by: ts35"

Don't you think Love and Monroe have similar skills? I'm thinking of passing the ball. Love plays closer to the basket, but like Monroe he's not primarily a shooter. Love's a couple inches shorter, that's true. Jefferson is a classic 'black hole' scorer.

Posted by: Samson151 | May 21, 2010 5:04 PM | Report abuse

"Aldrich is almost a BTH2.0 and should be drafted accordingly imho. He's smaller and wont be quite as good defensively but has far superior hands and will score a little more.Posted by: divi3"

IMO they're very different. Brendan is your prototypical 'big stiff' center who gets by on sheer size (which Aldrich doesn't have) and defensive position. Cole is quicker and not nearly as big.

Posted by: Samson151 | May 21, 2010 5:07 PM | Report abuse

Just a note: the best standing reach at this year's Combine has been Cousins and Hassan Whiteside at a formidable 9'5" -- same as Hasheem Thabeet last year. But at the same combine in 2008, Javale McGee topped out at 9'6.5".

I believe that's the best I've seen.

Now if we could just teach him to stand there on his tippytoes with his hands up and let the shooter run into him...

Posted by: Samson151 | May 21, 2010 5:17 PM | Report abuse

"Love and Jefferson, Monroe would also be interesting as a big who brings different skills than the guys they have (or if they decide to trade Jefferson).Posted by: ts35"

Don't you think Love and Monroe have similar skills? I'm thinking of passing the ball. Love plays closer to the basket, but like Monroe he's not primarily a shooter. Love's a couple inches shorter, that's true. Jefferson is a classic 'black hole' scorer.

Posted by: Samson151

Both Love and Monroe can pass, and that's actually the best part of the pairing. Love is a bit more of a banger, Monroe can play away from the basket more so than Love. It's not like Monroe would be at the 3pt line, but he's reasonably comfortable at the 15-18ft range with an ok shot and an ok ability to drive. They could do a little more high post / low post with those two as opposed to Love / Jefferson. I think Monroe / Love are a little more complimentary than Love / Jefferson. The only problem is that Jefferson is really the low-post scorer out of the group.

I think Monroe / Love also represent a young, but mentally mature pairing (as opposed to what I hear about jefferson, who's a bit of a diva).

Just all speculation at this point. I've read a lot of rumors talking about Minny *maybe* looking to move Jefferson, but I don't think anything close to concrete has evolved. Odds are they take someone like Johnson or Aminu or try to move up with their picks to 2 for Turner. Philly would be killed by their fans, but they could trade for the 4 and 16, pick Johnson, Aminu , Cousins or Monroe, plus another good player at 16 and do very well for themselves.

Posted by: ts35 | May 21, 2010 5:26 PM | Report abuse

IMO they're very different. Brendan is your prototypical 'big stiff' center who gets by on sheer size (which Aldrich doesn't have) and defensive position. Cole is quicker and not nearly as big.

Posted by: Samson151

I don't think Aldrich is quicker than BTH. Tougher mentally? Yep. More fundamentally sound, especially at this point in his career? Absolutely.

Posted by: ts35 | May 21, 2010 5:28 PM | Report abuse

Why the Washington Wizards will axe Arenas
By John Mitchell
9:38 PM on 05/20/2010

The Washington Wizards are going to use their number one draft pick to select John Wall, the freshman point guard out of the University of Kentucky. They see Wall as the cornerstone of the franchise for at least "the next decade", which is why they are going to do everything in their power to prevent the player from ever sharing a locker room with controversial guard Gilbert Arenas, according to two league sources with knowledge of the team's future plans.

According to one source with intimate knowledge of the team's plans, the Wizards front office, headed up by President Ernie Grunfeld, doesn't want Arenas - released earlier this month from a Washington DC halfway house after serving 30 days for a felony gun conviction - anywhere near Wall, whom the team has already decided it will select with the top pick in the June draft. After Arenas was convicted Grunfeld traded away four starters.

One source tagged Arenas as "the reason why a core of players that reached the playoffs" on multiple occasions had to be broken up, "and it was entirely due to what he did. He poisoned the team. He is a cancer."

The Wizards' options include trying to trade Arenas, who has four years and more than $80 million in salary remaining on his contract. But that is not the only option. According to a source the team will "definitely consider buying out" Arenas' contract. This flies in the face of the public position the Wizards have taken with Arenas.

On a radio show Wednesday in Washington, Grunfeld told ESPN 980's Kevin Sheehan and Thom Loverro that the Wizards were moving forward with Arenas and willing to put the past behind them.

Posted by: tony325 | May 21, 2010 5:31 PM | Report abuse

"Gilbert is part of our team. He has been a very good player for us. He's back working out, he's in our facility and we expect him to be with us," Grunfeld said. "We plan on having him with us and being a very good contributor for us. Nobody feels good about what happened but we are going to try to move forward."

Don't be fooled by this. Grunfeld will continue to speak highly of Arenas because as a rule no general manager speaks negatively about a player he is trying to move for fear of looking as though he is about to conduct a fire sale. Secondly, although Arenas is a three-time All Star, he has undergone three knee surgeries and appeared in just 47 games over the last three seasons.

When support for Arenas among the team's fan base began to wane as the surgeries mounted and the antics never abated -- Grunfeld remained steadfast in his belief in Arenas. He originally signed Arenas to a six-year, $65 million deal in 2003 before giving him a new $111 million deal in 2008.

Grunfeld looked past Arenas' suggestion that it was former coach Eddie Jordan's fault that Arenas suffered the initial knee injury in 2007 because he was on the floor at the end of the first quarter, when the starters are out. What Arenas failed to mention was that didn't start in that game because he was being disciplined by Jordan for breaking team rules the day before.

The Wizards and Grunfeld looked the other way and did not punish or discipline Arenas when he defecated in the shoe of Andray Blatche during his rookie season. Blatche, incidentally, became the best player on the team last season after Arenas was suspended by the league for the guns he brought to the locker room.

Posted by: tony325 | May 21, 2010 5:33 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: ElBigChroizo | May 21, 2010 3:57 PM | Report abuse

Sounds like Uncle Ted isn't big on signing free agents. If so, what are the Wizards going to do with all of that cap room? Re: uniform/name changes, I hope and pray that they DON'T go back to the red, white and blue unis; I thought they were the ugliest in the NBA. I'm betting they'll wear red at home and white on the road, like the Caps. And, after the GA-Crit gun incident, I can't see them going back to "Bullets," either, which, frankly, is fine with me. "Baltimore Bullets" was aliterative, but "Washington Bullets" just never really did it for me. True, the name is reminiscent of the team's glory years, but, folks, that was FORTY YEARS AGO. There was a lot of mediocrity between the team's lone championship and the date of the name change to "Wizards," so the name "Bullets" isn't particularly nostalgic for me.

Posted by: rbpalmer | May 21, 2010 5:34 PM | Report abuse

Grunfeld continued to support Arenas even though there were multiple reports that the relationship between the two had deteriorated beyond repair. Back in January, Sports Illustrated reported that "league sources said Grunfeld was shopping Arenas before the December incident. And Arenas has told confidants that he has no desire to play for Washington again. His relationship with Grunfeld, which was once considered one of the strongest player-executive relationships in the NBA, has eroded to the point that the two have barely spoken over the last two months."

This just further corroborates what my highly placed sources told me Wednesday. Those same sources told me that the Wizards will take Wall and not Evan Turner, and that the team is not even considering a backcourt of Arenas at the point and Turner, a 6-7 shooting guard still being debated as a possible pick in Washington.

Grunfeld's job was clearly in jeopardy after the gun incident. However, he has survived what Arenas has wrought in Washington and has been told by new majority owner Ted Leonsis that he will stay on in his position. His trust bucket, as far as Arenas concerned, has been emptied.

This will be Leonsis' first real step into the sometimes quagmire that is running an NBA franchise. Grunfeld, on the other hand, is an NBA lifer as a player and a front office executive. He knows that the Wizards are in full-fledged rebuilding mode after trading away players such as Antawn Jamison, Caron Butler, Brendan Haywood and DeShawn Stevenson, players that Grunfeld surrounded around Arenas, once the team's crown jewel.

And this is why this quote from Grunfeld is so telling.

"Obviously the situation that happened last year, nobody feels good about that. We're going to try to put that behind us, give everybody a clean slate and move forward. We're in rebuilding mode. There is a lot of information that we have to let Ted know about what we are doing in the draft. We're looking for someone who is committed to team and to winning and to doing whatever it takes to accomplish that."

Grunfeld knows this rebuilding process will not be successful with Arenas as part of the mortar.

John Mitchell is a former Washington Times reporter who has covered the Washington Wizards for over ten years.

http://www.thegrio.com/sports/will-the-washington-wizards-axe-arenas.php

Posted by: tony325 | May 21, 2010 5:35 PM | Report abuse

I understand why the team would want to not let Gil ever in the locker room again, but if Gil can let his ego go & stop pooping in teammates' shoes... I think Wall & Arenas could be a very dangerous backcourt. I personally hope we are stuck with Arenas for this season, just to see if they can make it work.

There is no need to give Arenas away or cut him, he is better than 80% of the players in the league. A buyout will cost them a ton of money & no service... it just doesn't seem worth it.

Posted by: tony325 | May 21, 2010 5:41 PM | Report abuse

"I don't think Aldrich is quicker than BTH. Tougher mentally? Yep. More fundamentally sound, especially at this point in his career? Absolutely.Posted by: ts35'

You don't? Well, we'll see how he does on those agility drills.

Posted by: Samson151 | May 21, 2010 5:56 PM | Report abuse

Just out of curiosity, I looked up Haywood's combine measurements in 2001 (the year after they started recording the measurement). He is a really big guy. Here they are:

Height w/o shoes: 6'11.75"
With shoes: 7'1.5" (another guy with great shoes)
Weight: 266 (9 years later, he has to be at least 15lbs. heavier)
Wingspan: 7'6.5"
Standing reach: 9'5.5" (would be #1 in this year's draft class)

So he's a lot bigger than Cole Aldrich, for instance, and even back then was some 30lbs. heavier.

Something about Haywood seems to make people think he's smaller than he is --

Posted by: Samson151 | May 21, 2010 6:34 PM | Report abuse

Also just in pursuit of transient fun, I checked the DraftExpress all-time list. Tallest guy on it, by 2 full inches at 7.5.5", is the redoubtable Shawn Bradley. They don't have his standing reach, but the leader in that category is somebody named Pavel Polodzine, at 9'8". McGee is second.

Posted by: Samson151 | May 21, 2010 7:21 PM | Report abuse

I just checked out some youtube highlights of Wall.

He's a lefty, which I didn't know.

I wouldn't say he has crazy hops...but he can dunk.

I've got two names for those who are overhyped by this dude.

Steve Francis and Stephon Marbury.

Time will tell if he's going to work out as a star player.

Based on the names coming out for this draft so far...I'd say this is a weak draft....no real quality big names. Haven't heard anything about Euro dudes.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | May 21, 2010 11:07 PM | Report abuse

He's not a lefty...shoots jump shot right handed, pretty ambidextrous inside 15' though.

I can see why you would draw the comparisons, particularly with Francis because he does move like him. That said, both Marbury and Francis were really under-sized shooting guards and Wall is a true point who can score.

Posted by: The_Shadow_Knows | May 22, 2010 12:39 AM | Report abuse

I don't think Wall is principally a scorer. I got to see ten or so Kentucky games this season, and in that offense his role was to take the ball to the hole and either put it in or find an open man. Looked to me like he was a big reason Cousins had such a terrific year. If Wall had been more selfish, he could probably have averaged 25 a game (remember, he got 19 in that West Virginia debacle). The thing that impressed me, and impresses the scouts, is his ability to go to the basket almost at will. You even saw it against the Mountaineers, one of the best defensive clubs around. They looked helpless in the opening quarter, and that was a main reason they went to the 1-3-1, making it almost impossible to penetrate.

I think if you wanted a primary scorer out of this draft, you'd look to Turner. Wall's presence should increase the productivity of the other Wiz, in addition to his own individual heroics.

Posted by: Samson151 | May 22, 2010 1:01 AM | Report abuse

By the way, before the predictions start in earnest, I should note that it's much easier to predict failure than success. In other words, if you begin by saying that this or that team or player won't live up to fan expectations, you're more likely to be correct in the end than if you maintain the opposite. That's because fan expectations at the beginning of a season are predictably high, and every year only a few teams fulfill them at year end. Same thing is true for star players.

For instance, if you predicted that LeBron James wouldn't fulfill the hopes of Cleveland fans, you'd have been right. But that's more because the odds were on your side than because of any special insight on your part. Fan expectations in Cleveland were for a championship, and only one of 30 clubs can achieve that.

Posted by: Samson151 | May 22, 2010 1:07 AM | Report abuse

I forget who posted that John Mitchell article from the Wash Times, but I thought it was persuasive. Even though things have cooled down in the media, it's hard to imagine the Wizards management doing anything but getting rid of Arenas. I'm sure they'd prefer a trade, and for it to be as bloodless as possible, but forgive Gilbert? Never. You'd have to turn the whole crew over first, and even then, what new GM would want to leave that sort of loose cannon in place?

Posted by: Samson151 | May 22, 2010 8:37 AM | Report abuse

Something about Haywood seems to make people think he's smaller than he is --

Posted by: Samson151 | May 21, 2010 6:34 PM | Report abuse


The same thing that made people think Barkley was bigger than he is -- attitude.

Posted by: p1funk | May 22, 2010 9:01 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: The_Shadow_Knows | May 21, 2010 5:02 PM | Report abuse

Co-sign.

Posted by: p1funk | May 22, 2010 9:02 AM | Report abuse

Wasn't he 45% owner for a bit? That still constitutes him to be an owner. Also, I am sure, a lot of the moves they have made were because they pretty much new his impending majority ownership.

Posted by: merajc86 | May 21, 2010 1:52 PM | Report abuse


Teddy L is not making any decisions until he is contractually and legally the majority owner. That's the way it works at this level.

Any moves made by the Pollin camp beforehand were entirely geared toward fixing the market value of the franchise at a place that would facilitate the sale. Period.

When you are dealing with transactions in the range of hundreds of millions of dollars, there is nothing buddy-buddy good-will about anything.

It's business. Period.

Posted by: p1funk | May 22, 2010 9:07 AM | Report abuse

"He's not a lefty...shoots jump shot right handed, pretty ambidextrous inside 15' though.

I can see why you would draw the comparisons, particularly with Francis because he does move like him. That said, both Marbury and Francis were really under-sized shooting guards and Wall is a true point who can score.

Posted by: The_Shadow_Knows | May 22, 2010 12:39 AM | Report abuse "

He dunks with his left for some reason.

Francis was a small SG, but I'd say Marbury was more of a PG who figured out, just like Gilby, that to make money in the NBA, you got to score.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | May 22, 2010 9:14 AM | Report abuse

"Teddy L is not making any decisions until he is contractually and legally the majority owner. That's the way it works at this level.

Any moves made by the Pollin camp beforehand were entirely geared toward fixing the market value of the franchise at a place that would facilitate the sale. Period.

When you are dealing with transactions in the range of hundreds of millions of dollars, there is nothing buddy-buddy good-will about anything.

It's business. Period.

Posted by: p1funk | May 22, 2010 9:07 AM | Report abuse "

LOL!

I wonder how winning the lottery changed the value of the franchise.

Of course, you can't time the market, but I think Leonsis probably saved $20-35 mil from the price tag by pretty much finishing negotiations before the draft.

Gilby and the horrid season helped lower the value of Les BouleS.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | May 22, 2010 9:18 AM | Report abuse

I've got two names for those who are overhyped by this dude.

Steve Francis and Stephon Marbury.

Time will tell if he's going to work out as a star player.

Based on the names coming out for this draft so far...I'd say this is a weak draft....no real quality big names. Haven't heard anything about Euro dudes.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | May 21, 2010 11:07 PM | Report abuse


??

I watched alot of Steve Francis in college as a UM student.

Wall doesn't remind me anything of him, except that they are both athletic .

Steve was a shooting guard in college, while Terrell Stokes played PG for that Maryland team - Steve also played shooting guard in the NBA. Steve was always undersized for his position.

John Wall is nothing but a PG. One could argue that at 6'4'' with a 6'8'' wingspan, he is "big" for his position.

Not sure why you would call John Wall "hyped". Is there a reason why people shouldn't be excited about his talent/prospects in the NBA??

Posted by: p1funk | May 22, 2010 9:23 AM | Report abuse

Don't know if anyone else noticed, but the NBA is measuring hands this year -- length and width -- and putting the numbers up next to height and weight. This is probably called the 'Kwame Brown Measurement' in honor of the last #1 overall pick with hands the size of an 8 year old girl. Glen Rice had dinky hands and always claimed that was the secret of a great shooter. Anyway, somebody seems to have bought into it.

So far, the two smallest in terms of length: Greivis Vasquez and Jon Scheyer. As for hand width: Epke Udoh. For some reason they only measured about half the players.

Forward Craig Brackins has hands the size of hubcaps.

Posted by: Samson151 | May 22, 2010 9:27 AM | Report abuse

Ok Evan, you were player of the year.

Les BouleS have been there, done that.

Anybody remember Calbert Cheaney?

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | May 22, 2010 9:28 AM | Report abuse

I did take note of him dunking with his left in a couple of highlights also. It is a terribly athletic thing to dunk with your off hand/leg...not off two feet but off of one and to look natural while doing it.

I used to play with this kid named Vince Carter who was the cousin of Tommay Amaker of Duke. Vince was about 5'11" and could dunk off either leg like Wall shows...only person his size I can remember doing that.

Posted by: The_Shadow_Knows | May 22, 2010 9:31 AM | Report abuse

Ok Evan, you were player of the year.

Les BouleS have been there, done that.

Anybody remember Calbert Cheaney?

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | May 22, 2010 9:28 AM | Report abuse


Yes. Wasn't he the space-filler on a team with Rod Strickland, Juwan Howard and Chris Webber? I think they asked him to play some perimeter D and not screw things up for the other guys.

If anything, I think the "hype" argument could apply to Evan Turner.

People oogle over some of his stats - like 9 rebounds/game. Do you really think a 6'7'' G/F with so-so athleticism is going to grab anywhere near 9 boards a game in the NBA??

He developed nicely and became a very polished and productive college player. You can argue that he was always being keyed-in on by other teams b/c OSU had no one else; but you could also argue that his production was the result of OSU having no one else so he dominated the offense and filled up his stat-line.

When you look at what Turner was doing as a freshman versus what Wall did as a freshman, it's not even close. Turner apologists would be laughed out of the conversation.

I've said it before - the argument for Turner over Wall reminds me alot of the argument for Okafor over Hoawrd.

Posted by: p1funk | May 22, 2010 9:37 AM | Report abuse

"John Wall is nothing but a PG. One could argue that at 6'4'' with a 6'8'' wingspan, he is "big" for his position.

Not sure why you would call John Wall "hyped". Is there a reason why people shouldn't be excited about his talent/prospects in the NBA??

Posted by: p1funk | May 22, 2010 9:23 AM | Report abuse "

I wouldn't call him big.....he's above normal height for a PG, but thin.

Let's not get on the John Wall bandwagon just yet....nobody is saying he's not a good player...just unproven....definitely not considered "franchise" just yet....like a LeBron or Tim Duncan or Pat Ewing.

He spent 1 year in college, so it's not like he was a fab five team that went to two straight final 4's.

Did Kentucky even win the SEC championship and how deep did they go in the big dance?

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | May 22, 2010 9:37 AM | Report abuse

"I used to play with this kid named Vince Carter who was the cousin of Tommay Amaker of Duke. Vince was about 5'11" and could dunk off either leg like Wall shows...only person his size I can remember doing that.

Posted by: The_Shadow_Knows | May 22, 2010 9:31 AM | Report abuse "

Dunking is cute early on...most young black players can dunk at only 6 ft.

Allen Iverson used to tear up the summer leagues by just dunking.

Now, after getting beaten like Tina Turner a couple of years in the NBA, he never dunked again.

That's when he had to rely on his basketball skills, and that's why it's more important to have skills vice and1 highlight clips.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | May 22, 2010 9:40 AM | Report abuse

Not trying to say this is a compelling reason to draft him....probably the least significant thing to be concerned with as you note. Just mentioned it since you talked about him dunking with his left...just don't see that from smaller guys very often.

I think his speed and vision are really what separates him from the pack...he has another gear like Derrick Rose.

Posted by: The_Shadow_Knows | May 22, 2010 9:46 AM | Report abuse

I wouldn't call him big.....he's above normal height for a PG, but thin.

Let's not get on the John Wall bandwagon just yet....nobody is saying he's not a good player...just unproven....definitely not considered "franchise" just yet....like a LeBron or Tim Duncan or Pat Ewing.

He spent 1 year in college, so it's not like he was a fab five team that went to two straight final 4's.

Did Kentucky even win the SEC championship and how deep did they go in the big dance?

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | May 22, 2010 9:37 AM | Report abuse


But he's very young and still has room to grow and fill out his frame.

Of course all of these guys are question marks right now - granted.

I'd say that Wall did great at Kentucky. THe year before he got there, they didn;t even make it to the NCAA tourney. Jodie Meeks who was (arguably) the best player on that team left. Kentucky was pretty down and going through a big transition. Wall had the benefit of playing with Patterson and Cousins of course, but Cousins was a freshman and that team had little opportunity to gel/develop/build chemistry over time. But Wall ran that team and did great. I think their inability to get to tourney finals has more to do with Calipari and his AAU approach to the college game - less to do with the actual talent/ability of the players.

Posted by: p1funk | May 22, 2010 9:47 AM | Report abuse

Not trying to say this is a compelling reason to draft him....probably the least significant thing to be concerned with as you note. Just mentioned it since you talked about him dunking with his left...just don't see that from smaller guys very often.

I think his speed and vision are really what separates him from the pack...he has another gear like Derrick Rose.

Posted by: The_Shadow_Knows | May 22, 2010 9:46 AM | Report abuse


The dunking itself is not so much an issue, but his ability to get to the rim is.

It's one of the things that makes Tony parker's game so devastating. TP is shorter and slighter than John Wall, but Wall has that same explosiveness which could make his penetration game even better.

Posted by: p1funk | May 22, 2010 10:02 AM | Report abuse

Something about Haywood seems to make people think he's smaller than he is --

Posted by: Samson151 | May 21, 2010 6:34 PM

He played like a big softy for years and always held the ball low.

As to Aldrich, I think people are surprised he's not as big as everyone thought. I'm sure he's been referred to as a 7 footer during telecasts.

Posted by: divi3 | May 22, 2010 10:06 AM | Report abuse

Marbury and Francis were held back by their own poor attitudes and general oddness, not by any lacking in skill or ability.

Meanwhile every word out of Wall's mouth seems to indicate EXACTLY what you want in a player and he has all the physical tools.

Good reason to be excited

Posted by: divi3 | May 22, 2010 10:09 AM | Report abuse

Kwame Brown fooled a lot of people. Jerry Krause was drooling over him like he was a nice filet mignon steak, medium rare. You just wonder how so many guys who have been around basketball forever could have missed the fact that he couldn't play a lick of basketball. He had size and quickness, but little else.

I'm not certain about Wall, Turner or anybody else, but I'm hopeful.

Posted by: bobabuie | May 22, 2010 10:09 AM | Report abuse

"I'd say that Wall did great at Kentucky. THe year before he got there, they didn;t even make it to the NCAA tourney. Jodie Meeks who was (arguably) the best player on that team left. Kentucky was pretty down and going through a big transition. Wall had the benefit of playing with Patterson and Cousins of course, but Cousins was a freshman and that team had little opportunity to gel/develop/build chemistry over time. But Wall ran that team and did great. I think their inability to get to tourney finals has more to do with Calipari and his AAU approach to the college game - less to do with the actual talent/ability of the players.Posted by: p1funk"

I'd say you're correct about Wall. He averaged around 35 minutes, 16.6 points, 6.5 assists, 4.3 boards, just under 2 steals, and a relatively undistinguished 32.5% from the arc. He doesn't have those glossy per-minute stats that Cousins does (and that so fascinate John Hollinger), but Cousins was on the court less than 24 minutes a game, and was the recipient of those Wall passes.

Until the West Virginia game, he seemed pretty much unstoppable. Last I looked, they don't allow 1-3-1 zones in the NBA, so that shouldn't be a problem.

That said, the scouts claim he's not as polished as Derrick Rose was in terms of PG skills.

Looked at another way, Calipari does a marvelous job preparing teams packed with unpolished immature one-and-done types for college basketball. Personally, it's a model I'd rather see disappear altogether, but you have to admit he's good at it. He allegedly spent the season fighting with the egotistical Cousins but somehow managed to keep the team on course. He's going to have to do it again this year -- he's got four or five star frosh coming, and no Patrick Patterson to steady them.

IMO a reasonable expectation for John Wall as a rook would be to start at PG and show improvement through the season with respect to getting the offense into a flow and keeping down the turnovers. Scoring I wouldn't expect a whole lot of, except in situations where the team needed somebody to just take over and get a basket by himself.

Posted by: Samson151 | May 22, 2010 10:11 AM | Report abuse

IMO a reasonable expectation for John Wall as a rook would be to start at PG and show improvement through the season with respect to getting the offense into a flow and keeping down the turnovers. Scoring I wouldn't expect a whole lot of, except in situations where the team needed somebody to just take over and get a basket by himself.

Posted by: Samson151 | May 22, 2010 10:11 AM | Report abuse

Agreed. Let him work out some kinks this year; make a BIG run at Kevin Durant in 2011.

But in order to facilitate that on the Wiz, management is going to have to deal with Arenas issue.

I don't see Arenas making room for Wall to be the "man" and develop for a year in that role on any level. GA is going to have HIS agenda, which will be to prove a point about himself as a ball-player. Does that help the Wiz?? NO. GA is going to want/need his shot, dominate the ball, show everyone he is still a 30 point-per-game threat. I don't envision him sitting back, being patient with Wall, etc. etc.

Posted by: p1funk | May 22, 2010 10:20 AM | Report abuse

IMO a reasonable expectation for John Wall as a rook would be to start at PG and show improvement through the season with respect to getting the offense into a flow and keeping down the turnovers. Scoring I wouldn't expect a whole lot of, except in situations where the team needed somebody to just take over and get a basket by himself.

Posted by: Samson151

I'd love to see the Wiz resign Livingston as the backup PG to show Wall the ropes a little bit. When was the last time the Wiz had two PGs who have that rare ability to see the floor?

Posted by: bobabuie | May 22, 2010 10:24 AM | Report abuse

I'd love to see the Wiz resign Livingston as the backup PG to show Wall the ropes a little bit. When was the last time the Wiz had two PGs who have that rare ability to see the floor?

Posted by: bobabuie | May 22, 2010 10:24 AM | Report abuse


2 PGs? I don't know.

But when Rod Strickland was balling here, the dude was NASTY - very underrated PG, IMO, in terms of skill/ability to score and see the floor. Unfortuantely, personal issues and team chemistry issues sort of derailed things for him.

Posted by: p1funk | May 22, 2010 10:33 AM | Report abuse

Wall mentions Strickland all the time, hopefully he picked up some of his game and NONE of his ways

Posted by: divi3 | May 22, 2010 10:51 AM | Report abuse

Ted wants MORE first rounders.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/05/21/AR2010052104555.html

On a different note, I like Larry Sanders' attitude I just don't know if the kid can play. Anybody know anything about his game?

http://www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?story_id=16281

Posted by: bobabuie | May 22, 2010 11:03 AM | Report abuse

He dunks with his left for some reason.

Francis was a small SG, but I'd say Marbury was more of a PG who figured out, just like Gilby, that to make money in the NBA, you got to score.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | May 22, 2010 9:14 AM | Report abuse
he dunks with his left hand on the left side of the basket and the right or two handed everywhere else. You make it sound like a righty dunkung lefty is some type of defect, when in fact it's free money. Don't you wish that AB could finish strong with the left instead of always reversing his layup? A young player who can take off of either leg or both and finish at the rim is a nightmare coming at you in the open court. It'll open him up to more FTs and and ones, because most players will have to come across his body to try to swat that left tomahawk from a guy who's been killin ya going right all day. I know yall hate Tha Kang, but his ability to finish at the rim with either hand gets him to the lin just about as much as his zebrastiped fan club.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | May 22, 2010 11:11 AM | Report abuse

Wall's 6'4" and 196 at the Combine -- that's skinny? Here's some numbers from earlier PGs (all in shoes):

Chris Paul: 6'1", 178lbs.
Deron Williams: 6'2.75", 202lbs.
Jarrett Jack: 6'3.5", 198lbs
Mike Conley: 6'1",175lbs
Aaron Brooks: 5'11.75", 171lbs
Javaris Crittenton: 6'4.75", 194lbs
OJ Mayo: 6'4.25", 200lbs
Russell Westbrook: 6'3.5", 192lbs

to name a few.

Posted by: Samson151 | May 22, 2010 11:13 AM | Report abuse

"Wall's 6'4" and 196 at the Combine -- that's skinny?

Posted by: Samson151 | May 22, 2010 11:13 AM | Report abuse "

Yes.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | May 22, 2010 11:16 AM | Report abuse

"On a different note, I like Larry Sanders' attitude I just don't know if the kid can play. Anybody know anything about his game?"

Yep, he can play all right. And measuring day at the Combine is helping him. He comes in 6'10.5", 222lbs, with a reach of 9'4", or just an inch under guys like Hassan Whiteside and Solomon Alabi. And his wingspan is the same as Cousins'.

So it turns out he's just bigger than the other kids, which makes it more likely he can get valuable minutes at PF.

Posted by: Samson151 | May 22, 2010 11:17 AM | Report abuse

"he dunks with his left hand on the left side of the basket and the right or two handed everywhere else. You make it sound like a righty dunkung lefty is some type of defect, when in fact it's free money. Don't you wish that AB could finish strong with the left instead of always reversing his layup? A young player who can take off of either leg or both and finish at the rim is a nightmare coming at you in the open court. It'll open him up to more FTs and and ones, because most players will have to come across his body to try to swat that left tomahawk from a guy who's been killin ya going right all day. I know yall hate Tha Kang, but his ability to finish at the rim with either hand gets him to the lin just about as much as his zebrastiped fan club.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | May 22, 2010 11:11 AM | Report abuse "

What are you complaining about?

I only noted that he dunks with his left, so thus I thought he was a lefty.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | May 22, 2010 11:18 AM | Report abuse

"Meanwhile every word out of Wall's mouth seems to indicate EXACTLY what you want in a player and he has all the physical tools.

Good reason to be excited

Posted by: divi3 | May 22, 2010 10:09 AM | Report abuse "

Would you expect anything less from a player looking to get drafted #1 and is looking for endorsements?

Gilby said all the right things too, up until he got his max money contract, and then he started blaming the organization and everyone else for his downfall.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | May 22, 2010 11:20 AM | Report abuse

Plus Wall is only 19. He might still have a little growth spurt left in him.

Posted by: Firuz1 | May 22, 2010 11:21 AM | Report abuse

"Kwame Brown fooled a lot of people. Jerry Krause was drooling over him like he was a nice filet mignon steak, medium rare. You just wonder how so many guys who have been around basketball forever could have missed the fact that he couldn't play a lick of basketball. He had size and quickness, but little else.

I'm not certain about Wall, Turner or anybody else, but I'm hopeful.

Posted by: bobabuie | May 22, 2010 10:09 AM | Report abuse "

There's no doubt that Kwame was a flop, but not entirely of his own doing.

You can also credit Doug Collins and MJ and Rod Higgins for Kwame's failure.

People keep talking about how great a deal Kwame for Caron was...

Well, the Lakers got Gasol for Kwame, and they're in the hunt for another ring right now.

Where's Caron?

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | May 22, 2010 11:23 AM | Report abuse

I know people are hyping about the #1 pick and Wall vs. Turner, but can people agree that overall, this is a weak draft?

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | May 22, 2010 11:25 AM | Report abuse

Gilby said all the right things too, up until he got his max money contract, and then he started blaming the organization and everyone else for his downfall.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | May 22, 2010 11:20 AM

That's an outright lie and you know it. Gilbert's history is filled with him saying and doing outlandish things. Ever heard of Gilbertology? That started waaaaaaayy before he signed his big contract. That said, I understand your valuable role of being the "obstinate contrarian".

Posted by: Firuz1 | May 22, 2010 11:25 AM | Report abuse

You can also credit Doug Collins and MJ and Rod Higgins for Kwame's failure.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | May 22, 2010 11:23 AM

And Jerry Buss, Phil Jackson, Kobe Bryant, Joe Dumars, etc. I'm trying really hard not to laugh, DC.

Posted by: Firuz1 | May 22, 2010 11:29 AM | Report abuse

I don't know if it is because the Wizs have the #1 pic, but I find it surprising that both Wall and Turner seem both to relish being picked #1.

You would have thought they would shy away from being picked by the Wizs and all that we have gone through.

But no, these are willing and want to be it appears to picked by the Wizards.

This tells me or indicates somewhat that the abaltross around the Wizards neck as some say in Gilbert Arenas is not a deterent for them.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | May 22, 2010 11:58 AM | Report abuse

Plus Wall is only 19. He might still have a little growth spurt left in him.

Posted by: Firuz1 | May 22, 2010 11:21 AM | Report abuse


If not growth spurt, definitely thickness.

The kid is a TEENAGER.

There is PLENTY of physical development yet to happen. I'm sure with the right training/diet he'll be able to fill out that frame just fine.

Posted by: p1funk | May 22, 2010 11:58 AM | Report abuse

Wall mentions Strickland all the time, hopefully he picked up some of his game and NONE of his ways

Posted by: divi3 | May 22, 2010 10:51 AM | Report abuse


That's right! I forgot that Rod Stricland is actually one of Calipari's assistants at Kentucky.

Strickland is classic "Calipari" - nasty baller, kind of a sketchy dude.

Posted by: p1funk | May 22, 2010 12:01 PM | Report abuse

I know people are hyping about the #1 pick and Wall vs. Turner, but can people agree that overall, this is a weak draft?

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | May 22, 2010 11:25 AM | Report abuse


It's definitely not the LeBron draft. It's better than the Kwame draft.

I don't know. I tend to think that people say it is a "weak" draft when there aren't a couple of can't-miss skilled big men in the mix at the top spots.

Posted by: p1funk | May 22, 2010 12:04 PM | Report abuse

Well, the Lakers got Gasol for Kwame, and they're in the hunt for another ring right now.

Where's Caron?

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | May 22, 2010 11:23 AM | Report abuse


I know.

It's too bad Wes Unseld Jr. wasn't the GM of the Grizzlies...or GM of the Timberwolves for that matter...

Posted by: p1funk | May 22, 2010 12:07 PM | Report abuse

You can also credit Doug Collins and MJ and Rod Higgins for Kwame's failure.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | May 22, 2010 11:23 AM

And Jerry Buss, Phil Jackson, Kobe Bryant, Joe Dumars, etc. I'm trying really hard not to laugh, DC.

Posted by: Firuz1 | May 22, 2010 11:29 AM

I blame the local dry cleaning establishments for not coming directly into his bedroom to pick up the suits lying in a crumpled pile on his floor. Don't discount this, Firuz!

Posted by: and_1 | May 22, 2010 12:14 PM | Report abuse

Interesting note on WTEM re: whether Arenas will be with the team come September. A source close to the team said that they don't want Areans even in the same locker room with Wall let alone sharing the backcourt. One can read between the lines, but it's pretty obvious the Arenas lack of maturity and the gun incident are reasons why they would not want him on a rebuilding team.

Any thing that Leonsis and Grunfeld are saying at this point are a smoke screen to not further undermine their ability to unload Arenas. My gut says the trade him to a team like the Clippers or Golden State who have same bad contracts they would like to move. I could even see a trade going down on draft day after Wall is selected. I don't see any way the Wiz will have Arenas on the roster with Wall now as their future franchise player.

Posted by: wizfan89 | May 21, 2010 11:08 AM

I don't know how anyone knows that John Wall is that damn good.

Thats almost like keeping the fox out of the chicken coup (Gilbert away from Wall).

And the last time I checked, Michael Jordan was not given Chicago's team on draft day. He earned it.

To say, the Wizards are now John Walls team would be like putting the Wagon tail in front of the mule.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | May 21, 2010 10:44 PM |

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Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | May 22, 2010 12:24 PM | Report abuse

Larry, I think the point is that GA is the albatross around the franchise's neck.

Whether it's John Wall, Evan Turner, DeMarcus Cousins, me or my grandmother; the point is that they can't see the organization moving forward with ANY kind of true rebuilding scenario unless Arenas is cut loose...

...and I agree completely.

Posted by: p1funk | May 22, 2010 12:36 PM | Report abuse

It would be a pity to jettison Gilbert at all cost and for little compensation and not to least evaluate whether he can play with John Wall.

To be of the opinion that John Wall will absolutely be poisoned by Gilbert says something about John Wall and not Gilbert.

If John Wall is so weak that he would be negatively influenced by Gilbert and we have a organization in place going forward that can't manage Gilbert and Wall in the proper way, then we lose either way, with or without Gilbert.

You folks that are so convinced that Gilbert is so poisoned that we got to lock the women in the house so to speak, I am beginning to question your basketball acumen.

Now if a viable trade comes up for Gilbert, then yes let's check it out, but to jettison Gilbert just because we think he is going to screw up John Wall is heinous.

I certainly hope that is not the opinion of Flip, or Grunfield, or Leonsis, or all of them or just two of them, for if it is, we have a longer way to go than folks with that opinion might think.

LarryInClinonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | May 22, 2010 12:36 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | May 22, 2010 12:36 PM | Report abuse


I think Grunfeld and the other FO people are far better positioned than you are to know/understand the kind of influence Gilbert can and has had over a lockerroom.

Didn't he have ALL of his teammates laughing and giggling at his 6-shooter routine in Philly right after he was put under investigation for illegal possession of firearms?

With so few people in an NBA lockerroom, I think chemistry is a MUCH bigger deal than it would be on something like a football or baseball team.

This organization has already given GA as much latitude as he wanted - a max contract, team captaincy, face of the franchise, poster on Verizon Center. Look how he's gone and repaid the trust. If at this point you think Gilby will just snap out of his immature habits and start playing nice with everyone, I think you are naive.

He's a nice guy to have on your team if you want 25 points a night with no defense, and a gaggle of concerns off the court.

Sorry, not interested. DC got pretty burned by the Arenas act. If the organization buys out his contract and let's him walk, I say bravo..

Posted by: p1funk | May 22, 2010 12:46 PM | Report abuse

If the Wiz don't buy Arenas out (and it's rumored Leonsis wants no part that) and they can't trade him, he has to play with Wall and the Wiz.

Gilbert has been immature in the past but that was largely when he was the undisputed centerpiece of the team. After the humiliating ordeal he's been through, I doubt Arenas can make eye contact with most of the guys in the locker room, much less do any sort of alpha-male posturing.

My guess is Arenas will settle into his role (and due to his talent it will be a prominent one) and do just fine.

Posted by: and_1 | May 22, 2010 12:47 PM | Report abuse

If the Wiz don't buy Arenas out (and it's rumored Leonsis wants no part that) and they can't trade him, he has to play with Wall and the Wiz.

Gilbert has been immature in the past but that was largely when he was the undisputed centerpiece of the team. After the humiliating ordeal he's been through, I doubt Arenas can make eye contact with most of the guys in the locker room, much less do any sort of alpha-male posturing.

My guess is Arenas will settle into his role (and due to his talent it will be a prominent one) and do just fine.

Posted by: and_1 | May 22, 2010 12:47 PM | Report abuse


And I think that's all naive and wishful thinking.

His first gun-related charge out in California didn't seem to humble him or wake him up here in DC.

When security confiscated his guns and he was put under investigation for breaking laws in DC, that failed to humble him - he went to Philly and did a little "gun dance" for the cameras.

According to the investigators he was the opposite of humble and contrite. He lied to investigators to try to cover things up and change his story to save his butt and career.

Then there were all the indications that he had some problem with Ernie Grunfeld - as if Ernie did something wrong to him in all of this and didn't properly support him.

Then He made comments suggesting that if the judge gave him jail time it would be because he's listening too much to the media instead of the "truth".

He's still going to be the max-contract guy in that lockerroom, so why would he care if some rookie or some bit-player on the Wiz doesn't respect him??

Where in all of this do you think that GA has been properly humbled?? If anything it suggests that he thinks he was treated unfairly and thinks the law was blown out of proportion??

Give the guy a second chance...in a different city.

Posted by: p1funk | May 22, 2010 1:03 PM | Report abuse

"My guess is Arenas will settle into his role (and due to his talent it will be a prominent one) and do just fine.

Posted by: and_1 | May 22, 2010 12:47 PM | Report abuse"

That would be reasonable if dude was sane....but he's got a couple of loose screws up there.

He's predictably unpredictable.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | May 22, 2010 1:11 PM | Report abuse

"It would be a pity to jettison Gilbert at all cost and for little compensation and not to least evaluate whether he can play with John Wall.

To be of the opinion that John Wall will absolutely be poisoned by Gilbert says something about John Wall and not Gilbert.


Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | May 22, 2010 12:36 PM | Report abuse "

I don't know if you know this, but the last time, and many times, EG has tried to perform science experiments, he F'd up big time.

Just b/c ownership has changed, doesn't mean EG gets to start fresh.

Betting on Gilby has been a losing proposition for Les BouleS.

If Wall comes here, I'd recommend he check his shoes before he puts them on.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | May 22, 2010 1:15 PM | Report abuse

"And Jerry Buss, Phil Jackson, Kobe Bryant, Joe Dumars, etc. I'm trying really hard not to laugh, DC.

Posted by: Firuz1 | May 22, 2010 11:29 AM "

Kwame was damaged goods when he was shipped out.

Les BouleS was like boot camp for him. Once he was molded into what he is, it stuck.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | May 22, 2010 1:17 PM | Report abuse

"I know.

It's too bad Wes Unseld Jr. wasn't the GM of the Grizzlies...or GM of the Timberwolves for that matter...

Posted by: p1funk | May 22, 2010 12:07 PM | Report abuse "

Wes Unseld Jr. is one dude who was born with a silver spoon in his mouth.

He's going to be with Les BouleS, regardless of who coaches, for as long as he wants to.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | May 22, 2010 1:18 PM | Report abuse

"That's an outright lie and you know it. Gilbert's history is filled with him saying and doing outlandish things. Ever heard of Gilbertology? That started waaaaaaayy before he signed his big contract. That said, I understand your valuable role of being the "obstinate contrarian".

Posted by: Firuz1 | May 22, 2010 11:25 AM | Report abuse "

Gilbertology is about being goofy.

Gilbertology has nothing to do with him blaming everybody else but himself for his downfall.

Giving a cute name to wacky behavior does not excuse him from his responsibilities.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | May 22, 2010 1:20 PM | Report abuse

Where in all of this do you think that GA has been properly humbled?? If anything it suggests that he thinks he was treated unfairly and thinks the law was blown out of proportion??

Give the guy a second chance...in a different city.

Posted by: p1funk | May 22, 2010 1:03 PM

How has he been humbled?

This time Gil was suspended for an entire season. That never happened before.

Every image of him was removed from Verizon Center and the near environs. He, in essence, was told that he is dead to the organization. That never happened before.

Gil was convicted of a felony and was left twisting in the wind for eight weeks as a judge determined his fate as a convicted felon. That never happened before.

By all accounts Gil did not handle the anxiety of this latest episode well at all. The only thing that has not changed is the amount of money he will be paid over the next four years. That alone is not enough for him to convince anyone in that locker room that his behavior is to be blindly emulated. Arenas knows the GM no longer has his back. He screws up, he's on his own.

BTW, all things considered, I think it's best that he's traded. I just don't think it's likely that it will happen this offseason.

Posted by: and_1 | May 22, 2010 1:22 PM | Report abuse

"I know people are hyping about the #1 pick and Wall vs. Turner, but can people agree that overall, this is a weak draft?Posted by: DC_MAN88"

That's always a fair question, but no, I don't think so. Last year's seems in hindsight like it was a little underrated, and this year's class is probably a bit overhyped, a weak draft? I don't see it.

What's your reasoning?

Posted by: Samson151 | May 22, 2010 1:35 PM | Report abuse


With all respect, DC_MAN88, Gilbertology is the all-encompassing term used to describe what Gilbert says and does and the logic he uses to interpret what happens in his life. Dude's a few fries short of a Happy Meal. That was known and well-chronicled before he signed is mega contract.

Posted by: gimmedat | May 22, 2010 1:36 PM | Report abuse

"BTW, all things considered, I think it's best that he's traded. I just don't think it's likely that it will happen this offseason.Posted by: and_1"

See, my guess is he's gone before next season starts. But I've been wrong before.

Posted by: Samson151 | May 22, 2010 1:36 PM | Report abuse

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Kevin-Seraphin-5278/


I like this guy and think he culd be the banger we need at PF. Ernie's been burned by European players in the past so he might not go for it. I don't think he'll be available anyway if we don't get an extra pick before 30.

Posted by: gimmedat | May 22, 2010 1:50 PM | Report abuse

How has he been humbled?

This time Gil was suspended for an entire season. That never happened before.

Every image of him was removed from Verizon Center and the near environs. He, in essence, was told that he is dead to the organization. That never happened before.

Gil was convicted of a felony and was left twisting in the wind for eight weeks as a judge determined his fate as a convicted felon. That never happened before.

By all accounts Gil did not handle the anxiety of this latest episode well at all. The only thing that has not changed is the amount of money he will be paid over the next four years. That alone is not enough for him to convince anyone in that locker room that his behavior is to be blindly emulated. Arenas knows the GM no longer has his back. He screws up, he's on his own.

BTW, all things considered, I think it's best that he's traded. I just don't think it's likely that it will happen this offseason.

Posted by: and_1 | May 22, 2010 1:22 PM | Report abuse


The other things that people did to him to try to humble him have little bearing on whether he is acutally humbled himself.

When his stuff was torn down from the Verizon Center, the reaction that we all heard about was him complaining that Ernie and the organization don't have his back - that is NOT a humble response.

And that is the problem - he just doesn't get it. Nothing about his career or behavior suggests that he "gets" it. He's a grown man, and the fact that we are still talking about him maybe finally maturing and growing up a little bit speaks volumes about what the likelihood of that happening will be.

From a strictly b-ball POV, I don't think what he brings to the table as a player is soooo valuable that he warrants a second chance here. We've not seen his knee hold up properly in a full season for 3 years. Even at 110% he gives you zero defense. All of his success as a player has been keyed around him being the "man" and the offense running through him, and that has not brought the organization success beyond first-second round playoff fodder for a real East contender.

We owe him alot of money and that sucks.

I still say the smart move is to buy him out and let him walk if you can't move him before the season some other way.

Posted by: p1funk | May 22, 2010 2:32 PM | Report abuse

Larry,
It's not a matter of whether the organization can manage Gilbert...they simply don't want to have to, that record is worn out. I imagine they would like to field a team of stable, adult athletes who are focused on becoming a competitive NBA team.

It will be John Wall's team primarily because he will be the starting point guard and will control the ball 70% of the time. That used to be Gilbert for the Wizards but he threw that away.

I personally do not see any compatibility for Wall and Gil to play together. Wall is clearly the better athlete/ball handler at this point in time and Gil without the ball is nothing more than a spot up shooter (albeit a fine one). Also, Gil is a notoriously bad defender and would get serially abused by any starting shooting guard in the league.

The only potential role I could see for Gil on this team is as a sixth man scorer, 15-25 min a game for 15-20 pts.

Personally I am ready to see the circus pack up and leave town.

Posted by: The_Shadow_Knows | May 22, 2010 2:46 PM | Report abuse

"With all respect, DC_MAN88, Gilbertology is the all-encompassing term used to describe what Gilbert says and does and the logic he uses to interpret what happens in his life. Dude's a few fries short of a Happy Meal. That was known and well-chronicled before he signed is mega contract.

Posted by: gimmedat | May 22, 2010 1:36 PM | Report abuse "


"Gilbertology" is no excuse to be stupid.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | May 22, 2010 3:38 PM | Report abuse

"That's always a fair question, but no, I don't think so. Last year's seems in hindsight like it was a little underrated, and this year's class is probably a bit overhyped, a weak draft? I don't see it.

What's your reasoning?

Posted by: Samson151 | May 22, 2010 1:35 PM | Report abuse "

Besides Cousins whom people are saying is a bad seed, who else is there?

Monroe?

What did he do during the tourney?

Do you know of any 2-3 euros?

Right now, they're talking up the white kid from Butler. He could be the next Joe Alexander. Who's heard of him since he's been in the league?

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | May 22, 2010 3:41 PM | Report abuse

For anyone who's been paying attention, this is what Wall flat out told EG. He's not going to come in here and be a SG. He's going to need the ball to do what he do:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/05/21/AR2010052104601.html

"The 6-foot-4 Wall said his conversation touched on his ability to play with Gilbert Arenas, a three-time all-star who plays the same position. Wall said it shouldn't be a problem for him -- so long as Wall doesn't have to change positions. "If they pick me, if they want me to be the player that I want to be, I have to have the ball in my hands, as a point guard and lead the offense," said Wall, who averaged 16.6 points and 6.5 assists while earning Southeastern Conference player of the year honors at Kentucky. "I asked, 'How would you work with us together?' They gave me an answer. If that's my team and I go there, [they'd] play him at the two-guard position. It's tough. Gilbert likes to have the ball in his hands. He's a great player, a talented player and he can get buckets in bunches. We just have to wait and see.


"If [Grunfeld] needs a point guard or if he feels comfortable with Gilbert being the point guard and might need a shooting guard or a big man, he has to do what's best for his organization and what's going to help him out. The key for me is giving him the best chance to pick me, show him I'm a good character person. They already know I'm a good basketball player."

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | May 22, 2010 3:43 PM | Report abuse

p1funk

""The other things that people did to him to try to humble him have little bearing on whether he is acutally humbled himself.""

Who said anybody was trying to humble him? Your question was how has he been properly humbled and my view is the collective events have properly humbled him, which we won't know for sure until he resumes his career. That's why I said "my guess is" he'll be fine in his new role.

""When his stuff was torn down from the Verizon Center, the reaction that we all heard about was him complaining that Ernie and the organization don't have his back - that is NOT a humble response.""

Heard any reports of his blaming the organization or making any kind of demands since getting out of the halfway house?? He's been as quiet as a church mouse, I'd say.

The reason Gil will be on the team isn't because his talent is sooooo overwhelming, but because Leonsis is said to be against buying him out and chances are slim of trading him. In Arenas the Wizards may have in their possession the proverbial immovable object. One thing is for sure. The days of the Wizards mollycoddling him are over. Whether he gets that or not, we'll find out soon enough.

Posted by: and_1 | May 22, 2010 3:50 PM | Report abuse

"Heard any reports of his blaming the organization or making any kind of demands since getting out of the halfway house?? He's been as quiet as a church mouse, I'd say.

The reason Gil will be on the team isn't because his talent is sooooo overwhelming, but because Leonsis is said to be against buying him out and chances are slim of trading him. In Arenas the Wizards may have in their possession the proverbial immovable object. One thing is for sure. The days of the Wizards mollycoddling him are over. Whether he gets that or not, we'll find out soon enough.

Posted by: and_1 | May 22, 2010 3:50 PM | Report abuse "

He's been quiet as a church mouse because he just finished up his halfway house stint and he's probably still coming to grips with his mother's death.

He's hired legal advisors who've told him to shut his yap up.

If you read a report a few weeks ago, people at the halfway house were saying he was playing some ball, but he had to ice his knee down big time, every time.

Dude is not the same player pre-injury....get over that.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | May 22, 2010 3:55 PM | Report abuse

""He's hired legal advisors who've told him to shut his yap up.""

He also had legal advisers prior to being sentenced and it didn't stop him from opening his pie-hole and saying the dumbest things.


""Dude is not the same player pre-injury....get over that.""

Got over that three years ago.


Posted by: and_1 | May 22, 2010 4:04 PM | Report abuse

"Gilbertology" is no excuse to be stupid.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | May 22, 2010 3:38 PM

Did I miss something? Who said it was?

Posted by: gimmedat | May 22, 2010 4:12 PM | Report abuse

He also had legal advisers prior to being sentenced and it didn't stop him from opening his pie-hole and saying the dumbest things.

Posted by: and_1 | May 22, 2010 4:04 PM

Maybe since he's actually listening to his advisors, as promoted by DC_MAN88, it's our first sign that he's been humbled?

Posted by: gimmedat | May 22, 2010 4:18 PM | Report abuse

Strickland is classic "Calipari" - nasty baller, kind of a sketchy dude.

Posted by: p1funk | May 22, 2010 12:01 PM

Sketchy? 4 dui's, multiple assault charges, knocked out a waitress for trying to stop him from running out on his bill at TGIF. The guy is scumbag, and the last person the wizards need trying to follow Wall to DC.

Posted by: divi3 | May 22, 2010 4:28 PM | Report abuse

Wall's got a great build, better than many(all?) of the elite pg's we're mentioning. At only 19, don't be surprised if he fills out like DWade and gets into the 215-220 pound range. When this boy becomes a man, he's going to be dropping hammers on PFs and Cs. He's got a bigger wingspan than Evan Turner, that's amazing.

These things dont mean he'll be a great player, but there's just no question whatsoever about the physical aspect of his skillset. He's a jawdropping athlete!

Posted by: divi3 | May 22, 2010 5:04 PM | Report abuse

"Besides Cousins whom people are saying is a bad seed, who else is there? Monroe?
What did he do during the tourney?
Do you know of any 2-3 euros?
Right now, they're talking up the white kid from Butler. He could be the next Joe Alexander. Who's heard of him since he's been in the league?Posted by: DC_MAN88"

LOL Here's the usual suspects outside of Wall and Cousins: Evan Turner, Derrick Favors, Wes Johnson, Aminu, Cole Aldrich, Epke Udoh, Ed Davis, Pat Patterson..

One thing you could say about Wall, Cousins, Favors, Aminu and Davis -- they're raw as sushi.

'The White Kid' is projected somewhere between 12 and 18. The stats geeks tell us that simply showing up in the tournament boosts your stock a dozen picks. Supposedly Larry Bird likes the kid, but Larry Bird picked Hansbrough...but he didn't pick Joe Alexander.

None of the top ten projected picks played in the Final Four. So you could say about all of them: 'what did he do in the tourney?' and the answer would be, 'not that much -- certainly not enough'.

Last year only Thabeet among the top ten made it to the last four. And we know what happened to him.

Posted by: Samson151 | May 22, 2010 5:11 PM | Report abuse

Correction: the numbers say playing in the Final Four is what will kick you up a dozen slots in the NBA draft. But if you stay in school the way Kyle Singler is doing, the glow has worn off by the time the next draft rolls around -- unless you go to the Four again.

Posted by: Samson151 | May 22, 2010 5:13 PM | Report abuse

Perhaps it's appropriate that Strickland comes up here at the same time as the subject of Gilbert's future. I always liked Strickland as a player and thought he could revive the franchise during those dismal days. Didn't happen. But I was happy to see him on the Kentucky bench, giving pointers to Wall and Bledsoe.

It raises the question of whether we give guys like Strickland -- and Gilbert -- second chances, and what they do with them. From all indications, Strickland has come way back and is finding himself again as a coach and teacher. Where is Gil going now that he's hit rock bottom? Will someone give him a second chance?

I tend to agree with those who are wishing him well on another team, but wishing him to go away. But it may not happen, given the realities of contract and the market. How will Gil react to taking a backseat to Wall on offense, and sitting if he doesn't play defense against all the great two guards in the league?

I think the Wiz brain trust will do everything they can to improve Gil's marketability, including giving him a second chance. But it may not pan out.

In the best of all worlds they could work a deal to move Gil and move up in the draft, but it's probably not possible.

Posted by: zinger1 | May 22, 2010 5:15 PM | Report abuse

I would say, though, that I think this is a very strong draft, and will look better in the years ahead. I'd be happy if we could get the five Kentucky players in the draft -- they may ALL go in the first round.

Posted by: zinger1 | May 22, 2010 5:19 PM | Report abuse

"It raises the question of whether we give guys like Strickland -- and Gilbert -- second chances, and what they do with them. From all indications, Strickland has come way back and is finding himself again as a coach and teacher. Where is Gil going now that he's hit rock bottom? Will someone give him a second chance?

I tend to agree with those who are wishing him well on another team, but wishing him to go away. But it may not happen, given the realities of contract and the market. How will Gil react to taking a backseat to Wall on offense, and sitting if he doesn't play defense against all the great two guards in the league?

I think the Wiz brain trust will do everything they can to improve Gil's marketability, including giving him a second chance. But it may not pan out.

In the best of all worlds they could work a deal to move Gil and move up in the draft, but it's probably not possible.

Posted by: zinger1 | May 22, 2010 5:15 PM | Report abuse "

Wake up.

Gilby is working on at least his sixth chance.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | May 22, 2010 5:35 PM | Report abuse

"None of the top ten projected picks played in the Final Four. So you could say about all of them: 'what did he do in the tourney?' and the answer would be, 'not that much -- certainly not enough'.

Last year only Thabeet among the top ten made it to the last four. And we know what happened to him.

Posted by: Samson151 | May 22, 2010 5:11 PM | Report abuse "

Clearly this draft is about upside....not about franchise sure thing.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | May 22, 2010 5:37 PM | Report abuse

"Did I miss something? Who said it was?

Posted by: gimmedat | May 22, 2010 4:12 PM | Report abuse "

So stop using that as your crutch.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | May 22, 2010 5:38 PM | Report abuse

"Got over that three years ago.


Posted by: and_1 | May 22, 2010 4:04 PM | Report abuse "

So what did you see last season, during Gilby's brief stint, that gave you the impression that his "talent is so overwhelming?"

Most people, after seeing what he produced, clearly said he wouldn't get max money based on the player he is now.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | May 22, 2010 5:40 PM | Report abuse

Strickland beats women, comparing him to Gil is an insult to Arenas imo.

And he just got ANOTHER DUI and was demoted at Kentucky, exactly why I'm afraid he'll try to stick to one of the kentucky kids

Posted by: divi3 | May 22, 2010 5:57 PM | Report abuse

Zoubek will be the pro the team that drafts Aldrich thinks they're getting.

Posted by: divi3 | May 22, 2010 6:09 PM | Report abuse

So what did you see last season, during Gilby's brief stint, that gave you the impression that his "talent is so overwhelming?"

Most people, after seeing what he produced, clearly said he wouldn't get max money based on the player he is now.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | May 22, 2010 5:40 P

He's much better than anybody else that the Wiz have at 2-guard. On most teams, if you outplay the guys at a given position, you get the minutes. Or are you still waiting on Nick Young?

The debate over his contract is moot. He's got it, you can't change it and who cares?

Posted by: gimmedat | May 22, 2010 6:47 PM | Report abuse

So stop using that as your crutch.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | May 22, 2010 5:38 PM

You're delusional. I won't ask you to stop using THAT as your crutch because I realize you can't.

Posted by: gimmedat | May 22, 2010 6:53 PM | Report abuse

divi3, you're right, and I didn't know. He's definitely on the 6th or 7th chances. Interesting that Kentucky is keeping him on, moving him to an administrative position "to reduce his need to travel." He's probably been traveling his whole life, but he hasn't always been called for it.

Posted by: zinger1 | May 22, 2010 7:09 PM | Report abuse

"Zoubek will be the pro the team that drafts Aldrich thinks they're getting.Posted by: divi3"

I like Zoubek, but he's got a hell of an injury history. And it's his foot. Rule One of NBA drafting: don't take anybody with bad feet.

Posted by: Samson151 | May 22, 2010 7:26 PM | Report abuse

"Clearly this draft is about upside....not about franchise sure thing.Posted by: DC_MAN88"

Yep. There are two or three guys who could become franchise players, but no sure things.

Posted by: Samson151 | May 22, 2010 7:28 PM | Report abuse

"He's much better than anybody else that the Wiz have at 2-guard. On most teams, if you outplay the guys at a given position, you get the minutes. Or are you still waiting on Nick Young?

The debate over his contract is moot. He's got it, you can't change it and who cares?

Posted by: gimmedat | May 22, 2010 6:47 PM | Report abuse "

Again, nothing you or anyone saw this past season would lend anyone to believe that "his talent is so overwhelming" anymore.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | May 22, 2010 9:16 PM | Report abuse


Gil's still the best player on the team with or without Wall and is the best option the team has at SG. Wall may be more talented but Gil is the better player right now. Like him or not, Arenas could average 20 ppg at SG in his sleep. Nick Young cannot. Foye cannot. End of story.

Posted by: harrybalz | May 23, 2010 11:58 AM | Report abuse

"Gil's still the best player on the team with or without Wall and is the best option the team has at SG. Wall may be more talented but Gil is the better player right now. Like him or not, Arenas could average 20 ppg at SG in his sleep. Nick Young cannot. Foye cannot. End of story.

Posted by: harrybalz | May 23, 2010 11:58 AM | Report abuse "

Gilby being called the best player on the team is a tired statement. It hasn't translated to any sort of playoff success...just headaches.

Gilby also isn't a SG. He's a dude who needs the ball in his hands to reach his personal stat goals.

Gilby averaging 20 ppg in his sleep would reinforce the statement that he's not a max money player and is lucky to still be with Les BouleS.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | May 23, 2010 11:42 PM | Report abuse


Gil is more talented than any SG on the team and plays the lion's share of minutes at SG if he's on the roster in October. I think he's an overwhelming talent.

Posted by: bobabuie | May 24, 2010 12:31 AM | Report abuse

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