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John Wall's image

Wizards Coach Flip Saunders did his best to be diplomatic and somewhat evasive regarding who will be the No. 1 pick in the draft, but it was clear which player he preferred by the way he gushed over John Wall during this morning's news conference at Verizon Center.

Plus Wall is a natural point guard, and Saunders often likes to say those type of players aren't taught but rather "sent from heaven." The Wizards desperately need a true 1, and not only is Wall, who turns 20 on Sept. 6, perhaps the best passer in college basketball, he also has all the attributes of a model citizen, according to Saunders.

While Saunders did not officially reveal Wall, who Tweeted he had a 3.5 GPA in the spring, would be the top pick, he did say "we" when talking about Wall's image, as if he were already a member of the team.

"From all indications, he has great character," Saunders said. "I know there was an article in the paper, and he talked about how he wears his jeans up at his waist and doesn't wear them down low like a lot of guys because he feels he has an image. Kids are looking up to him. He doesn't have any tattoos. He cut his braids off when he was 14 years old. Never thought about growing them back.

"He talks a lot about an image he has and the responsibility he feels he has to the young players who look up to him. So I think we have a player that understands those type of things and looks that way.There's no question he's going to have a great impact with whatever team or whatever city he's in because of that."

By Gene Wang  |  May 19, 2010; 3:50 PM ET
 
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I saw a lot of John Wall on the tube being here in Atl. The kid can play no doubt and he had a few moments on the court where you wondered WTF? but hey he was a freshman and he is arrogant, but i'll say this he is a "GAME CHANGER" speed and natural court awareness are two things that can't be taught even Flip and Ernie can't screw this up it will be interesting to see what this team does with the other no.1 pick from Cleve.

Posted by: dargregmag | May 19, 2010 4:06 PM | Report abuse

This quote about Wall rubbed me the wrong way:

"From all indications, he has great character," Saunders said. "I know there was an article in the paper, and he talked about how he wears his jeans up at his waist and doesn't wear them down low like a lot of guys because he feels he has an image. Kids are looking up to him. He doesn't have any tattoos. He cut his braids off when he was 14 years old. Never thought about growing them back."

Saunders is painting with too broad a brush. Lots of fellows, ballers or not, have braids and tats but that doesn't make them bad guys. On the contrary, lots of folks breaking the law on Wall Street these days have neither braids nor tattoos.

Character goes much deeper than does image -- to what's inside a person and not just on the surface. Flip Saunders should know the difference between the two by now or he should hold his tongue.

Posted by: jcbcmb68 | May 19, 2010 4:22 PM | Report abuse

I am so excited about this team. Assuming we can trade for Arenas for a guy like Eddy Curry, we will be the Thunder in 3 years. We'll have a superstar, 2 lottery pick sidekicks, and a ton of caproom. I feel the same I did when the Skins fired Spurrier and hired Gibbs in 2004. I have gone from the depths of Hell to blissful hope in one fell swoop.

Posted by: Dellis2010 | May 19, 2010 4:24 PM | Report abuse

From all accounts, Wall seems like a hard working, intelligent guy who spends time working on his game and looking for ways to be a great player. So I can appreciate Flip complmenting Wall on his maturity and character.

However, frankly, how he wears his jeans, tattoos, and hair shouldn't have anything to do with it.

Posted by: manifested | May 19, 2010 4:26 PM | Report abuse

Character goes much deeper than does image -- to what's inside a person and not just on the surface. Flip Saunders should know the difference between the two by now or he should hold his tongue.

Posted by: jcbcmb68 | May 19, 2010 4:22 PM | Report abuse


real talk jcb. I know that they're trying to put the spin on and make him seem like the second coming so they can sell tickets. But there are a lot of wizards fans who work very hard to try to support their hometeam. i'd hate for all of my hardworking, family oriented, braided and tattooed brothers to think that flip was taking a shot at their character.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | May 19, 2010 4:32 PM | Report abuse

Why would New York trade Eddie Curry, who has just one year left on his Knicks' contract, for Arenas, who has four years left on a bad contract? Curry makes less money than Arenas anyway, so a trade might be tough to work out.

Besides, the Knicks are clearing the deck to try to bring in genuine superstars as free agents (not someone like Arenas).

Arenas is the Man Who Can't Be Moved.

Posted by: EdDC | May 19, 2010 4:33 PM | Report abuse

Damn Flip, why did you have to go there?

I know what he meant, but still that's just ignorant.

Posted by: jimwest20 | May 19, 2010 4:35 PM | Report abuse

"Character goes much deeper than does image -- to what's inside a person and not just on the surface. Flip Saunders should know the difference between the two by now or he should hold his tongue."

Saunders was commenting on things Wall himself said regarding his image and comportment and why he handles it that way. Those were Wall's opinions of himself he was talking about not his opinions of Wall. You also conveniently ignored the paragraph that came immediately after that, where Saunders spoke of Wall's sense of responsibility, which speaks directly to character. If you'd read more carefully and with an open mind perhaps you'd have known the difference and held your tongue.

"However, frankly, how he wears his jeans, tattoos, and hair shouldn't have anything to do with it. "

It shouldn't but, in some circles, it does, at least in terms of perception. The fact that Wall seems to be aware of that and sensitive to it speaks in his favor, I think.

Posted by: kalo_rama | May 19, 2010 4:35 PM | Report abuse

An intersting mock draft. Curious that Thomsen thinks Minny will draft yet another PF/C.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/writers/ian_thomsen/05/19/mock.draft/index.html?eref=sihp

Posted by: gimmedat | May 19, 2010 4:42 PM | Report abuse

EdDC, it's possible you're right that the Knickerbockers would never trade Curry for Arenas. However, Hollinger and Ford from ESPN report otherwise. There are tons of bad contracts that other teams might ship off in return for Arenas, like the Raptors' Calderon and Carroll.

Posted by: Dellis2010 | May 19, 2010 4:43 PM | Report abuse

Other teams look at Arenas as the WORST CONTRACT IN THE NBA....until he plays well and stays healthy for at least next season.

Posted by: divi3 | May 19, 2010 4:46 PM | Report abuse

kalo_rama, I got something you can hold. Let me loosen my zipper.

Posted by: jcbcmb68 | May 19, 2010 4:46 PM | Report abuse

even Flip and Ernie can't screw this up it will be interesting to see what this team does with the other no.1 pick from Cleve.

Posted by: dargregmag

Certainly can't screw it up any more than Eddie Jordan did in Philly. Eddie's unemployed and will never be a head coach again and Flip and Ernie are still doin' their thing. Basketball don't lie.

Posted by: gimmedat | May 19, 2010 4:49 PM | Report abuse

jcbcmb68, if you need a magnifying glass and a pair of tweezers to find it, I'm sure bf78 will loan you his. He'll probably be happy to lend a hand, too.

Posted by: kalo_rama | May 19, 2010 4:57 PM | Report abuse

OK, let's toss this scenario out there:

Philly wants Wall bad. If you can trade picks with Philly and get Jrue holliday and a future 1st rounder, do you do it?

Basically, do you trade Wall for Turner, Holliday and a chance at a future pick?

I was not expecting us to get the 1st or 2nd pick so I spending time considerring Cousins v Favors.

I go back and forth on Wall vs Turner, but am leaning toward Wall now. But when a turned ankle can derail your star for years, aren't you better off spreading it out a little liek in the trade above?

Just asking?


Posted by: jacksonward1 | May 19, 2010 5:03 PM | Report abuse

Character goes much deeper than does image -- to what's inside a person and not just on the surface. Flip Saunders should know the difference between the two by now or he should hold his tongue.

Posted by: jcbcmb68 | May 19, 2010 4:22 PM | Report


The quote mentioned by Saunders earlier, should not take offense to any. Clearly Basketball broke alot of racial barriers and the sport has come a long way. One thing i must mention, i think it is okay to not want a guy that has braids, tatoos and earings. It is not a professional image. You want to look clean and be good at what you do at the same time.

The best professionals and model citizens we look up to have a respectable demeanor. President Obama or any other president never had braids or tats, Michael Jordan, Whoever it may be. Now lets just focus on basketball now and enjoy the rebuilding process like the thunder or blazers, we have 2 1st round picks and 2 2nd round picks, a ton of cash...LETS GO WIZ

Posted by: mrhney03 | May 19, 2010 5:04 PM | Report abuse

make that "was spending time"

Posted by: jacksonward1 | May 19, 2010 5:04 PM | Report abuse

, we have 2 1st round picks and 2 2nd round picks, a ton of cash...LETS GO WIZ

Posted by: mrhney03 | May 19, 2010 5:04 PM | Report abuse


Do we have 2 2nd rounders? I thought the one from Sac or whatever was protected or something
I only see our name up once here in the 2nd round at nba.com
http://www.nba.com/news/features/2010.draft.order/index.html

Posted by: jacksonward1 | May 19, 2010 5:11 PM | Report abuse

OK, let's toss this scenario out there:

Philly wants Wall bad. If you can trade picks with Philly and get Jrue holliday and a future 1st rounder, do you do it?

Basically, do you trade Wall for Turner, Holliday and a chance at a future pick?

I was not expecting us to get the 1st or 2nd pick so I spending time considerring Cousins v Favors.

I go back and forth on Wall vs Turner, but am leaning toward Wall now. But when a turned ankle can derail your star for years, aren't you better off spreading it out a little liek in the trade above?

Just asking?

Posted by: jacksonward1 | May 19, 2010 5:03 PM


Wall for Turner, Holiday and Philly's 2011, unprotected first rounder? I'd do that in a heartbeat. Of course, I like Turner so it would cause me no heartache.

Posted by: artiesliver | May 19, 2010 5:17 PM | Report abuse

1. jcbcmb68, you're a fool. Kalo is for once reasonable and polite, and then you attack him? As Kalo said, Flip was paraphrasing Wall's comments and was not being ignorant. I think that, given his job, Flip must be plenty comfortable in a multicultural world.

2. Please stop with the Arenas for Curry talk. It's almost as scary as the Turner over Wall talk.

Arenas was #9 in scoring AND #9 in assists in the entire league on the day he got suspended. He is an all-star. If he proves for 2 months that he is healthy and with a good attitude, then he is worth a lot, even with a bloated contract. Arenas CANNOT be traded for Eddy Curry.

Wall is a Durant as a guard; Turner is Jeff Green as a guard. There's really not much choice.

I think Wall-Arenas is an INCREDIBLE mix on offense, but worrisome on defense. If that's how it goes (and that's likely how it'll go), then we need to sign the most versatile, toughest 3 around to do all the dirty's. Not sure who, though. Maybe Pippen circa 1995.

Posted by: Urnesto | May 19, 2010 5:18 PM | Report abuse

How about Les BouleS trading Gilby and the #1 pick to the nets for Devin Harris, Brook Lopez, Chris Douglas-Roberts, and their #3 pick.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | May 19, 2010 5:19 PM | Report abuse

Wall for Turner, Holiday and Philly's 2011, unprotected first rounder? I'd do that in a heartbeat. Of course, I like Turner so it would cause me no heartache.

Posted by: artiesliver | May 19, 2010 5:17 PM | Report abuse

I think the question is...with Wall, do you really get the guy you can build around and get the the NBA finals. Otherwise, in this trade, are you just adding the pieces that get you losing to wall in the 2nd round year after year?

I'd say do this trade, but it could go either way. i am hopeful that Wall is the sort of superstar like a Magic or Nash, but odds are against it. Plus, like I said, he could really be THAT GOOD and end up like Penny Hardaway and Grant Hill and spend the best years of his career in the rehab room.

Posted by: jacksonward1 | May 19, 2010 5:31 PM | Report abuse

There may be some trades the Wiz could pursue, but they're crazy if they trade the No. 1 pick. John Wall is a terrific defensive player as well as being an outstanding pass-first point guard, and as quick as anyone in the NBA.

I don't think anyone should overlook the fact that LeBron is buds with Wall and took time to attend several of his games this past year. Wall could pay dividends without even stepping onto the court.

Posted by: zinger1 | May 19, 2010 5:37 PM | Report abuse

How about Les BouleS trading Gilby and the #1 pick to the nets for Devin Harris, Brook Lopez, Chris Douglas-Roberts, and their #3 pick.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | May 19, 2010 5:19 PM | Report abuse


I'd keep Gilbert and the #1. Seems like a huge drop off from #1 & #2 to the third spot, where you are juggling the merits of cousins vs favors.

Plus, Lopez is fine and better than Haywood , but he isn't going to be the difference maker many games. And, you are asking about trading the #1 pick as a pg for the #5 pick from like 5 years ago. Devi Harris is solid, but not a true star.

I still think Gilbert cleans any of the guys up, even if he is way overpaid.

Posted by: jacksonward1 | May 19, 2010 5:37 PM | Report abuse

If the Bullets DO find a way to trade up their late first and second rd picks and a player for a mid-first round there's a chance Monroe falls a few spots and I'd love to see him pushing McGee and Blatche to get a little tougher.

Posted by: WestCoastBullet | May 19, 2010 5:43 PM | Report abuse

jacksonward1,

I think Wall has the highest ceiling and deserves to be the number one pick, but, as with any prospect, you don't know if the guy will reach his full potential. If a team is willing to give away that much to get him, I do the deal. I think Philly will be in the lottery again next year regardless of who they draft this year and there's no telling how high that 2011 pick could be. If lightning strikes twice, the Wiz could be set for a while. It would be a gamble worth taking, imho.

Posted by: artiesliver | May 19, 2010 5:44 PM | Report abuse

gimmedat: Ah! another know-nothing posting about EJ why bring up Philly? that has nothing to do with his tenure here in DC,Jordan won here that's all i care to post on this blog about i could care less about Philly what did Flip do here in DC? let me see................................... oh yeah 56 loses and law and order turmoil he and ernie had so much control that the team's best player got himself suspended for the remainder of the year EJ will coach in the league again if Flip can get a job then EJ can get a job.

Posted by: dargregmag | May 19, 2010 5:45 PM | Report abuse

word

Posted by: jacksonward1 | May 19, 2010 5:46 PM | Report abuse

Taking Wall is a no brainer. Moving on...Bring back the RED WHITE and BLUE, Add Melo or Durrant next year to Gil, Blatche and McGee, and sign me up for 5 to 10 years of Watchable Basketball. Name Change idea #001- The Washington Capitals...Too Easy and not enough Sales generating possibilities? Help Teddy and I out....

Posted by: WestCoastBullet | May 19, 2010 5:47 PM | Report abuse

I like Washington Monuments. But only if we add Shaq, Z and retain Oberto

Posted by: jacksonward1 | May 19, 2010 5:54 PM | Report abuse

Nice Statues reference name change idea #002. I've liked the name Monuments quite a bit as well but think we'd have to use the imagery of the Lincoln Monument as opposed to the other more fallic Monument.

Posted by: WestCoastBullet | May 19, 2010 6:00 PM | Report abuse

You also conveniently ignored the paragraph that came immediately after that, where Saunders spoke of Wall's sense of responsibility, which speaks directly to character. If you'd read more carefully and with an open mind perhaps you'd have known the difference and held your tongue.

Posted by: kalo_rama | May 19, 2010 4:35 PM | Report abuse

"the pot calling the kettle black"

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | May 19, 2010 6:01 PM | Report abuse

EJ will coach in the league again if Flip can get a job then EJ can get a job.

Posted by: dargregmag

Sadly, Flip and EJ don't have the same resume. Or did Head Coach Eddie Jordan lead Sac and Philly to the Conf. Finals and I missed it? Unless EJ can somehow be paired with EG (the only time he's had a modicum of success), he'll never be a head coach again. The results have simply been too dismal for even the greenest of GMs to overlook. Again, basketball don't lie.

Posted by: gimmedat | May 19, 2010 6:12 PM | Report abuse

Bizarre comments by Saunders about Wall's haircut and lack of "braids" when talking about his "character." What the hell does having cornrows or braids have to do with character? Clumsy phrasing at best, but at worst... well, let's not even go there.

Posted by: cali_snowboarder | May 19, 2010 6:40 PM | Report abuse

"Name Change idea #001- The Washington Capitals...Too Easy and not enough Sales generating possibilities? Help Teddy and I out....

Posted by: WestCoastBullet"

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Yes, bring back the red white and blue. Dark aqua and copper are flat out HIDEOUS colors. No wonder no one around town ever sports any Wiz gear. Ever checked out the Wizards online store? Would you be caught dead in any of those clothes? They look ridiculous.

Posted by: cali_snowboarder | May 19, 2010 6:43 PM | Report abuse

Please, no silly talk of trades involving this pick!! Good lord people, here is our chance to take the consensus #1 player just as the league turns fully to PG based play and yet still people want more. Amazing!

Thank our lucky stars that john Wall will be a wizard next season and leave it at that! This kid is a "cant miss" prospect and simply cannot be passed on.

Posted by: divi3 | May 19, 2010 6:56 PM | Report abuse

i like washington monuments,

how about the Washington Natives. Washington Presidents,

Posted by: mrhney03 | May 19, 2010 7:19 PM | Report abuse

Please, no silly talk of trades involving this pick!! Good lord people, here is our chance to take the consensus #1 player just as the league turns fully to PG based play and yet still people want more. Amazing!

Thank our lucky stars that john Wall will be a wizard next season and leave it at that! This kid is a "cant miss" prospect and simply cannot be passed on.

Posted by: divi3 | May 19, 2010 6:56 PM

I think Flip already gave the final verdict on trading the pick. LOL.

Posted by: gimmedat | May 19, 2010 7:21 PM | Report abuse

New Name: The Washington Wave

Posted by: tommycat | May 19, 2010 7:53 PM | Report abuse

Washington RedTapes
The mascot can be stacks of 1000-page documents. Make it happen, Ted.

Posted by: harrybalz | May 19, 2010 7:59 PM | Report abuse

Does anyone think we should draft Greivis Vasqu if he's available in the second round? If not, I sure hope the wiz use their last two pick on sharp shooters. With john Wall going blazer speed in the inside, he'll have to choices, pass it to one of our big men or kick it out to one of our sharp shooters.

New name: Washington Sharks (yea, this name made it on the top ten list when they were trying to decide which name to pick. Sharks cuz we got lawyers in DC that are sharks).

Posted by: demonj21 | May 19, 2010 8:16 PM | Report abuse

Forgot to add - imagine with the name washington sharks - Players come onto court and you could hear the jaws theme sound - da da...da..da.......dadadadadadadada

Posted by: demonj21 | May 19, 2010 8:19 PM | Report abuse

Or maybe go back to the original name...Zephyrs. A gentle westerly breeze that brings good luck.

Posted by: Blurred | May 19, 2010 8:32 PM | Report abuse

You guys are worse than Redskin fans. Why are we even discussing trading the pick and drafting Turner. I'm looking at this through Rose, Beasely glasses. Wall is going to be one of the best PG'S, but I don't think Evan Turner is going to one of the best SG's. Plus lets compare Ray Allen in his prime to Rajon Rando of now. Look at the impact Rondo is having on his team. Ray Allen didn't have a impact like that when he was with the Sonics. Just take Wall and with our late 1st round pick we must go foward or enter. We still need big bodies...

Posted by: ATLredskin | May 19, 2010 8:50 PM | Report abuse

If the Bullets DO find a way to trade up their late first and second rd picks and a player for a mid-first round there's a chance Monroe falls a few spots and I'd love to see him pushing McGee and Blatche to get a little tougher.

Posted by: WestCoastBullet | May 19, 2010 5:43 PM | Report abuse


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i wholeheartedly agree

Posted by: ryjufox3 | May 19, 2010 8:57 PM | Report abuse

About those other picks: the usual suspects among draft pundits are projecting Gani Lawal of Ga Tech, Devin Ebanks of WVa, Terrico White of Ole Miss, Dom Jones of So. Florida (yep, the one who was in town a few days back), Stanley Robinson of UConn, and Lance Stephenson of Cincy as candidates for the 30th pick. Not that anyone has the faintest idea who'll be left at that point, but personally I'd be surprised Lawal or Stan Robinson is available when the Wiz' turn rolls around.

Of course if the club were able to package the pick and say, Nick Young for a player, who's to say Ernie wouldn't pull the trigger?

Posted by: Samson151 | May 19, 2010 9:07 PM | Report abuse

"You guys are worse than Redskin fans."

nah, redskins insider is filled with fool me once, fool me 11 more times fans.

COOLEY/DAVIS DOUBLE TE SETS WILL REVOLUTIONIZE THE NFL

LARON LANDRY GAINED 30 POUNDS NOW HE CAN COVER

JOEY GALLOWAY IS 39 GOING ON 27

Posted by: divi3 | May 19, 2010 9:11 PM | Report abuse

I think the Nets would be happy with Favors. He fits their needs pretty well. They still play a lot of dribble-drive when Devin Harris is healthy, and Favors is the sort of quick, strong rebounder that blossoms in a scheme like that. I'm pretty sure when they finally get around to measuring Favors he won't be 6'10", but if he's 246 lbs like the mocks claim, somebody will grab him fast.

Trading Gilbert is a difficult matter. On one side you've got what really was a surprisingly good performance in the 32 games he played last season, given the layoff and the questions about his injuries. On the other you have that contract, and the reality that he'll never be worth that sort of money again. I hate to think Grunfeld will give the guy away just to cut costs, but it's a possibility. The idea of Gil and Wall playing side by side is a pretty picture, but Gilbert has always needed the ball in his hands, and who knows if he can change at this late date?

Resolving the Arenas situation could be ugly...

Posted by: Samson151 | May 19, 2010 9:32 PM | Report abuse

Ok let's take a look at where we stand as of now...

PG - John Wall

Backup candidates include Livingston and Foye.

SG - Gilbert Arenas

Backup candidates include Young and Foye.

SF - Al Thornton. Possibilities also include Miller and Howard. My preference is Miller, I love his all-around game, his passing, rebounding and 3 point shot... especially if used to compliment Wall/Arenas.

PF - Blatche

Backup candidate Singleton, as well as Thornton.

C - this is the biggest hole as of now. McGee has loads of potential. Should we look to sign Bosh??


FA's to look at IMO are Bosh and Gay.

Later draft picks to look at IMO are Vasquez, Lawal, and Zoubek.

Posted by: Darnell1 | May 19, 2010 9:38 PM | Report abuse

Also , I wouldn't mind if we brought back Haywood who is a free agent.

Posted by: Darnell1 | May 19, 2010 9:42 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: and_1 | May 19, 2010 9:57 PM | Report abuse

I really hope Oberto does not return next year. Please replace him at least with a 2nd round rookie. Watching him play is painful, because he is so unathletic and can't defend anyone. I think the players we should be looking at with our late 1st round pick is Gani Lawal, Craig Brakins, Soloman Alabi(if he slips), and Jerome Jordan. Or we can go best available if a good player slips...

Posted by: ATLredskin | May 19, 2010 9:59 PM | Report abuse

#1 - JOHN WALL. RANDY FOYE or FA. I'd prefer a FA or LIVINGSTON.
#2 - GILBERT ARENAS, NICK YOUNG, QUINTON ROSS
#3 - AL THORNTON, a #30 pick and a FA.
#4 - ANDREY BLATCHE and two FA's or JAMES SINGLETON and one.
#5 - JAVALE McGEE, second round pick JEROME JORDAN, and FA BRAD MILLER.

Posted by: glawrence007 | May 19, 2010 10:04 PM | Report abuse

No to Mike Miller and Brendan Haywood.

Posted by: and_1 | May 19, 2010 10:06 PM | Report abuse

Ted Leonsis is sold on building through the draft and the right FA mix. Keeping the best of what you have and building it as well.

However, will Flip Saunders apply his philosophy of yanking the young players for making mistakes rather than letting them learn and play through them on the court?

Some may not think that makes such a difference, but to me it is hugely important.

Young players around the league have learned the NBA game by playing and being given consistent roles.

Can and will Flip develop a young talented team, or will he apply the veteran approach as he seems keen on doing, until his hand was forced to play the young guys???

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | May 19, 2010 10:29 PM | Report abuse

"I hate to think Grunfeld will give the guy away just to cut costs, but it's a possibility."

There's no way to move him in a fashion that cuts any costs, NOBODY is picking up $80mill for him this offseason. If he plays great perhaps he could be moved by next season's trade deadline...but if he is playing so well another team wants to pick up the rest of his deal, then he's earning his salary and we should roll with him anyway

Posted by: divi3 | May 19, 2010 10:30 PM | Report abuse

Will the big name FAs seriously consider the Wiz now? Probably not Lebron/Wade, but do we have a shot at Bosh/Amare/Gay?

Posted by: Dellis2 | May 18, 2010 8:50 PM | Report abuse

Amen...but add Foye to that list and Nick gets one more year to prove it or lose it.

Posted by: Blurred | May 19, 2010 10:30 PM | Report abuse

I've waited until now to post about Flip's comments concerning John Wall, clearly Flip has a problem with braids and cornrows like a lot of conservative's white's and some black's too that have that brainwashed mentality their is nothing wrong with that hairstyle as long as it is well kept and neat,i'm not a fan of droopy pants with the underwear showing some of the young brothers here in the A-T-L seem to think that wearing their pants like that makes them a badass when in reality there softer than butter in a microwave oven but Flip should have avoided commenting on ethnic hairstyle's that's a media controversy waiting to happen, just say no Flip.

Posted by: dargregmag | May 19, 2010 10:32 PM | Report abuse

Flip needs a muzzle sometimes. He has an annoying habit of just yapping without finishing a sentence.

This quote by Flip was offensive to say the least. It sounds like something Bobby Knight would say at a bar after a few beers.

Posted by: elfreako | May 19, 2010 10:56 PM | Report abuse

When I first read the Flip comments, I thought, good for John Wall, but after relooking those comments from Flip's perspective then the comments here are correct.

He probably showed some biases or at the very least opened up a biased can of worms.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | May 19, 2010 10:58 PM | Report abuse

You know Ted's been making a lot of noise about how he wants to build through the draft and not sign "empty calorie" free agents. I just hope Ted understands that the NBA ain't the NHL. The Wiz can't just call up dudes from Hershey to step in on the third line. There are only 5 players on the court in an NBA game, and the bench doesn't go very deep either. If you have a window of opportunity cap-wise to sign a young, money free agent, you can't simply ignore it.

Posted by: Kenbeatrizz | May 19, 2010 11:03 PM | Report abuse

Having cornrows or dreads should mean nothing. If anything it is discrimination to rule them out when considering them for a job, position, whatever...

Posted by: ATLredskin | May 19, 2010 11:07 PM | Report abuse

Well the idea of Wall and Gill together is growing on me. Of course Gil would have to have his head in the right place. I am not sure what the numbers look like but the next goal should be to get someone down low who can rebound the ball. We need to go after a Boozer and or a Lee. The big name free agents don't want to come to DC anyway.

Scratch Stoudemire, Roy and Johnson off the list. Let's get tougher. Blatche and McGee are not enough.

BmoreRev

Posted by: stanlong23 | May 20, 2010 12:24 AM | Report abuse

Gilby and Wall in the same backcourt will never work.

Both guys need the ball....Wall needs it b/c he's a pure PG....Gilby needs it b/c it'll allow him to shoot whenever the mood strikes him.

Given all that, we can pretty much kiss Shaun Livingston goodbye.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | May 20, 2010 12:33 AM | Report abuse

Michael Lee writes:

While Saunders did not officially reveal Wall, who Tweeted he had a 3.5 GPA in the spring, would be the top pick, he did say "we" when talking about Wall's image, as if he were already a member of the team.

"He talks a lot about an image he has and the responsibility he feels he has to the young players who look up to him. So I think we have a player that understands those type of things and looks that way.There's no question he's going to have a great impact with whatever team or whatever city he's in because of that."
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If ever you needed indisputable proof that Michael Lee has an IQ similar to a toaster, I give you Exhibit A. You won't find a less intelligent reporter in a mainstream media outlet in this day and age than Michael Lee. The guy has demonstrated time and time again a total lack of intelligence, it's simply galling that he remains employed at the Post.

Seriously, he really just said that Saunder said "'we' as if he was already a member of the team," when Saunders did no such thing. Clearly Saunders was not referring to the Wizards specifically but in general terms the league will now have this player. He made this clear when he said in the next sentence "whichever team or whatever city" ends up with him. Sheesh.

Fire Michael Lee, he must go.

Posted by: Barno1 | May 20, 2010 12:41 AM | Report abuse

Seriously, can you people not actually read plain English?

Flip was quite clearly commenting on a newspaper article he read in which John Wall himself made the comments regarding his clothes and hair and the image he wants to project. It's clearly written in black and white. It's John Wall who thinks that baggy jeans and braids project the wrong image. The (again, clearly written) point of the piece is that Flip admires the fact that Wall has a sense of responsibility regarding the image he projects to his fans. Now, does Flip agree with Wall about what that image should be? Perhaps, although there's certainly nothing in that interview to indicate that with any definition. But even if he does . . . if you're going to rip Saunders for agreeing with John Wall's own opinion of himself then you need to put the same effort into ripping John Wall for having that opinion of himself in the first place. And if you're prepared to imply that Flip is a racist for agreeing with these opinions then you damn well need to be prepared to conclude that John Wall is a racist for having that opinion of himself.

Either that or you should damn well be prepared to shut up about it.

Posted by: kalo_rama | May 20, 2010 12:56 AM | Report abuse

You want to know whats true? When a person wears their pants around their knees, they look like a thug and an idiot. That is why they are called thugs and idiots. They deliberately do it and they get recognized for it. If they didn't want to give that impression, they could change their behavior. A coach who has an 80 million dollar team to manage would prefer to have people that do not act like thugs and idiots. No more Arenas type problems. Young men whose priorities include braids, tattoos, pants around their ankles and winter coats in the summer time, do not mix well with a coach who is trying to teach character, success, and responsibility. All you readers who want to live in both worlds should take notice.

Posted by: 1bmffwb | May 20, 2010 1:02 AM | Report abuse

Wall ain't gonna be happy when he finds out that the Wizullets retired #11 to the rafters

Posted by: baileyindc | May 20, 2010 2:36 AM | Report abuse

@Kalorama,

Nice...I was going to say virtually the same thing, but you took care of it. Of course, with the reading comprehension in here, it will need repeating.

Posted by: rphilli721 | May 20, 2010 3:45 AM | Report abuse

Not that this means anything but I know of zero professionals I work with or know of that have braids and wear baggy jeans. None. I hope that the Wiz do not exercise their team option on Howard.

Posted by: JSchon | May 20, 2010 5:40 AM | Report abuse

Draft Wall
Hire Pat Riley
Sign a big man (Boozer?)
Recreate Showtime.
Kiss Cup.

Posted by: original_mark | May 20, 2010 7:50 AM | Report abuse

The Pew folks claim that 36% of US persons between 18-25 have at least one tattoo. I got to admit, I didn't see that coming. At one point I figured it was a fad like bell bottoms -- if the bell bottoms were permanent, that is, and you could never take them off.

Posted by: Samson151 | May 20, 2010 7:53 AM | Report abuse

Wall might've had the 'Calipari 3.5 GPA' in the spring: You show up for class a few times. You put your name at the top of the exam, next to it put 'Coach Cal says hello'. Cash exchanges hands between a 'representative' of the basketball program and the professor and magically an A or a B appears on the transcript.

Posted by: randysbailin | May 20, 2010 7:57 AM | Report abuse

I'm a caucasian male who makes a decent salary. I enjoy watching NBA basketball and could care less how the players wear their hair, how many tattoos they have or how they wear their jeans. I probably wouldn't hire someone in my office w/ tattoos on the neck and a mohawk hair-do. Nonetheless, all that I ask when watching professional athletes is that they give maximum effort and respect the game that they play.

Posted by: randysbailin | May 20, 2010 8:13 AM | Report abuse

It is not only the game of John Wall that is going to help,his game might be inferior to Turner,it is his power that pump their market.I realy do not care about Arenas any more, one should not give any consideration about his status in this rebuilding process.It is up to him to fit in and proff who he is as a basketball player.He has 7-8 years to be in NBA,he should be advised to to handle this issue for his futurity.Washington need to handle him the way he present to them but they should not need to adjuest for him.They have done that for 4 years,they fire coache, they pay big for AJ, they sign him while he was injured.All these put them in the situation they are,they should be able to exploite this opportunity to improve their image,from now on i will not have any tolerance of negative comment from Charles Barkley on this ball club.We are going to see some free agents considering us.Carmelo Antony,Kevin Durant and some others will look in to us if we handle this opportunity to our expectation.
I can not see the value of Joe Jonson and the undersized center from the sun in washington.boozer is also at that level.There is no need to rush on any washed up star for the coming season.They can sign some defensive minded bigs,SL,Jash Howard and try to buy or trade up on the draft.

Posted by: gtefferra | May 20, 2010 8:33 AM | Report abuse

I agree Flip meant no harm and is not a racist, but he should avoid these types of musings in the future. He's bound to upset some who will color/twist his comments based on their own life experiences or their sensitivities and project negativity onto him. Further, the WaPo should have made clear that the comments he made in the video were merely echoing John Wall's thoughts or perceptions. Context is everything.

Posted by: and_1 | May 20, 2010 9:04 AM | Report abuse

Wow people! The Wiz get the number one pick in a year when there's a really good player instead of a dud, take some time and enjoy it!!!

Flip's comments were typical of that generation of us that are in that over 35 and zero tats bracket. Tat's are more of an indication of style then charactor, styles come and go, some people set trends, most just follow them.

John Wall seems to want to be one of those trend setters. Note to Flip Suanders, don't let John go to south Beach with Gil.

Got to agree with Darnell, the biggest hole on this roster is a board pounding center. But even a guy like Boozer to play in rotation with McGee and Blatche could be useful. David Lee is another cheaper possibility.

Or could a guy like Zoubek be there in the late first, early second to develop into an interior mauler. Zoubek really seemed to take to that role down the stretch for Duke. Much as I hate all things Dukie, I can see Booz and Zou bringing a lunch pail work ethic that the Wiz could really use.

Larry, much as you don't like Flip, I think he's the guy to build this. Remember he's the guy that Garnett cut his teeth under.

I'm not sure Livingston is gone either. Think it does come down to him or Foye. Sense Grunfeld trade for Foye he might get the nod. But I think Flip really likes Livingston.

There's a lot of roster to fill and lots of decisions to make, but it's pretty clear Grunfeld, Suanders, and Leonsis are on the same page, for now...
GM

Posted by: flohrtv | May 20, 2010 9:24 AM | Report abuse

I'm not sold on Boozer. In fact, I like AB at the 4. My point is that we should get a player that has some size and isnt afraid to mix it up a bit.
No way in hell we should waste it on Joe Johnson, either...not max money at least.

With the continued development of Jm and AB, we're a year and maybe one big FA signing away from making a serious playoff move.

Forget the Big 3.

I'm looking at the Fab 5 with Wall, Gil, AB, JM, and Free Agent (to be named later).

Posted by: original_mark | May 20, 2010 9:26 AM | Report abuse

Bring in Mark Jackson. Fierce competitor as a player who would bring an attitude to the head coach position.

Posted by: shanteefamilee | May 20, 2010 9:33 AM | Report abuse

"it will be interesting to see what this team does with the other no.1 pick from Cleve."

Well, #30 is just like a 2nd round. In fact, I will prefer a #31. As a 2nd round, it will be at a much chpeaper price, and without long term commitment.

Posted by: sagaliba | May 20, 2010 9:46 AM | Report abuse

Fire Michael Lee, he must go.

Posted by: Barno1 | May 20, 2010 12:41 AM

He didn't write this entry. Gene Wang did you illiterate jackass.

Posted by: elfreako | May 20, 2010 9:51 AM | Report abuse

An intersting mock draft. Curious that Thomsen thinks Minny will draft yet another PF/C.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/writers/ian_thomsen/05/19/mock.draft/index.html?eref=sihp

Posted by: gimmedat

Yeah, even if the plan is to trade Jefferson, why would then draft another player who looks to be exactly like Jefferson (down to the possible personality issues)?

Posted by: ts35 | May 20, 2010 9:57 AM | Report abuse

Is it too late to correct that to read interesting? LOL.

Posted by: gimmedat | May 20, 2010 10:06 AM | Report abuse

As a black man I appreciate Flip's restating Wall's approach. hell, i"m tired of these kids white and black/girls and boys that wear their pants failing off their butts.

As for Wall, there's no debate and their is no trade consideration. Take Wall as the integral piece and go forward. The kid is not Jordan, but he is that type of special. We just need to bite the bullet so to speak and develop a new team and not look for the overnight fix. Push Arenas, who's truly a 2 guard. Push Blatche, Young and McGhee or get rid of them and move on. the one thing I look forward to with Leonis is player development and cutting the chord when necessary.

Posted by: oknow1 | May 20, 2010 11:37 AM | Report abuse

Kalo_rama,

While it is true that Flip was responding to John Wall's own comments, he clearly professed an approval of those comments by John Wall.

In fact, he as much inferred that the decision by John Wall not to wear braids and baggy pants was indicative of good character and an example to be looked up to.

Now thats all good any my initial reaction was that this was a very good thing for John Wall.

Now, braids and pants hanging of the arse, I don't have an affinity for, but when I clearly open my mouth and express my opinion about them, whether it is clearly to agree with someoneelse's opinion about them, I am also expressing my opinion about them.

Stop cutting hairs, I am sure that Flip stands behind what he said and what he believes, but Flip should have chosen a better way to comment on those particular issues.

When people show up with tatoos visible all over the place, braids in hair, even women, and pants hanging off thar' arse, and say they want a job application, I have a hard time believing they are really looking for one.

I say to myself, you must be joking.

But I keep those opinions to myself. Some things you must leave unsaid and it was inappropiate for Flip to reveal his views on braids, tats, and disgraceful fitting pants, revealing stinking underwear at that time.

It is a good thing that John Wall understands. It appears that he has learned something that Allen Iverson never wanted to accept.

Sometimes when we give out personal compliments, we also show our own personal preferences which is what Flip did.

So just because Flip is biased towards braids, tats, and pants falling off the arse dosen't make it a bad thing, for I am biased to them as well.

But you cannot always admit to your biases in public and that is all Flip is guilty of.

So, this isn't about reading comprehension, or ripping Flip, and now we should rip John Wall too.

You just can't say everything in public. I agree with John Wall and Flip, but Flip should have known he shan't have commented on braids, tatoos, and pants revealing a person's crack in Public.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | May 20, 2010 11:55 AM | Report abuse

GM,

While you know, I was all in for Mark Jackson being selected as coach of this Wizard Team, I also accepted the fact that Flip also was a good choice.

My guy did not get selected and I am almost sure now that Mr. Grunfield had Flip preselected even before Eddie Jordan was fired. So why did not Flip come in right away. Mistake on both their parts.

The reason that I am so hard on coaching, is because I believe that coaching is so important, enormously important for the success of a Team in the NBA.

Sure you must have great players to win it all, but the right coach/coaching must always coexist.

As the season progressed, I/we all saw things from a coaching standpoint where Flip IMO should have done better.

It is for all the things that I saw last year that leaves me unconvinced that Flip is really the right guy.

I hope that I am wrong.

Mark Jackson could be the wrong guy.

But I can only go on what I see.

One quick basketball observation. The Lakers have been touted time and time again for the play and length of their Bigs.

The Wizards under Flip had no desire to develop a big man game on the floor. Why Flip just refused to move Jamison to the three and let Blatche play the four with Haywood and McGee at the five is unforgiveable.

Flip showed a severe unwillingness to play young inexperienced talent and to much undeserved support for veterans to the detriment of a winning team concept.

We were loosing and yet he was coaching like we were winners.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | May 20, 2010 12:20 PM | Report abuse

Larry,
The inability of Jamison and Butler to slide to the 3 and 2 so the Wizards could get their best five on the floor is one reason I feel they ended up being shipped else where.

After his run in Detroit where he came in with a veteran championship team I think Flip was relunctant about making changes and taking charge right off the bat. Butler and Jamison seemed to be the two guys that were really resistant to changing their role, or game, for a new coach.

I have a lot of respect for Jamison as a model person and player. But his game's always been that of a tweener, but I don't think AJ could ever see that his weaknesses were part of the problem. It never seemed to sink in that his post defense as a 4 were hurting the team.

It really seemed to sink in after the spanking he got from Garnett in round 2. Jamison as a starting 4 just isn't getting any deeper in the playoffs, regardless of what scheme you put him in.

Same with Tough Juice, neither guy was able to go to a contending team and make a difference in the playoffs.

What I think I saw this year was Flip evaluating and then along with Ernie making the decision that this group was going no further then one and done.

After all the time that had passed and the changes that had occurred while Gil missed all of that time, the big three weren't capable of playing together for a new coach. They were like a marriage where the spark was gone.

Time will tell this summer if Gil can be a meaningful peice again, or if he ends up like Marbury in NY. My bet is Gil still has the bug to play this game and comes back at a high level.

Flip's offense down the stretch seemed to be geared toward moving Gil to the 2, and playing Livingston at the point, nobody was planning on Wall. Now my quess now is that Grunfeld will make a choice between Livingston and Foye as a b/u to Wall.

There seems to be some rumbling in NY that they beleive the Knicks will come after Livingston. He might have a chance to start up there, so he could be gone.

I think he could make a great veteran B/U here and be better off, but that's just my opinion.

Nothing wrong with anybody expressing their opinions on things, problem starts when they can't see the line between their opinion, or their interputation, of something they've read or heard.

And I agree, sometimes it's best to keep your opinion to yourself. No use in debating somebody who's never wrong and is so short sighted that they can't learn anything from healthy debate.
GM

Posted by: flohrtv | May 20, 2010 2:22 PM | Report abuse

"But his game's always been that of a tweener, but I don't think AJ could ever see that his weaknesses were part of the problem...It really seemed to sink in after the spanking he got from Garnett in round 2."

I was pretty surprised to see AJ within six feet of Garnett, who after all has a 3" height advantage and probably closer to 6" in max extension. Kevin is just that long. He's also adept at maneuvering into position for short hooks and jumpers. Varejao was the guy I figured the Cavs would have defending Garnett.

I know coaches get too much of the blame for team losses but there really was stuff in that series that I found hard to explain.

Posted by: Samson151 | May 20, 2010 2:52 PM | Report abuse

I agree that part of the issue with the tats-and-low-slung jeans is their associated with thug life. Started as kids imitating their peers in Juvie, who had their belts and laces confiscated. Around where I live the obvious tattoo -- the one you can't cover -- was very much a gang sign. If you got caught strolling around town with '202' in big block letters on the side of your neck, or a teardrop under your eye, you better not be a pretender. A couple months ago I asked the kid who delivers box lunches about the drop tat under his eye -- if he earned it. He nodded. "Wish I hadn't. Every so often somebody tries to erase it for me." I don't think he was talking about a cosmetic surgeon.

Dreads are a different matter entirely -- I don't think they've ever been strongly associated with thuggism, at least in the US.

I do think that if you're going to apply for a job at the IRS or Chevy Chase Bank, it's a good idea to put on a suit. Surprised how few 20 year olds think of it, however. Now if you're going to play for the Wizards, heck, we're used to that stuff.

So long as you don't poop in anybody's shoe. That's where I draw the line. Poop in a shoe, you're on my list.

Posted by: Samson151 | May 20, 2010 3:03 PM | Report abuse

Yeah Flipper speak up on these men with these kid tattoos and fake wanna be rapper (lil Wayne)images... (ex. Allen Iverson, Kenyon Martin... LOL) they look really silly anyway there rich why do they need to portray an image that is not based on there current status... Kids who don't play ball need to realize there is a good chance they will have to work in corporate America and the tattoos are not it.. Image means a lot especially after Gil stupid antics...

Posted by: pusha-d | May 20, 2010 4:34 PM | Report abuse

He didn't write this entry. Gene Wang did you illiterate jackass.

Posted by: elfreako | May 20, 2010 9:51 AM | Report abuse

My mistake. Though it's pretty amusing you think missing the byline, under the video, equates to illiteracy. One would assume that since this blog has Michael Lee's face prominently on the top, and he writes the overwhelmingly vast majority of the entries, that this piece was written by him. It's an easy mistake to make, which has nothing to do with being illiterate--you fool.

Posted by: Barno1 | May 20, 2010 4:51 PM | Report abuse

Maybe it's personal because I don't like your politics Barno.

I remember you calling Etan Thomas a racist for the subject matter of his poetry.

Now you say Michael Lee has a "total lack of intelligence". How so?

I'll forgive a guy for an occasional typo or syntax error. He probably travels more in one month than you do all year. This beat is a grind and this season was a grinder.

Why must his "intelligence" come into quesion? You got issues dude.

Posted by: elfreako | May 20, 2010 9:14 PM | Report abuse

elfreako,

Do I have "issues" or is it again because you don't like my politics? Hmmm...

And what do politics have to do with Etan Thomas's racism? He is a racist, and there is no defending his comments and if you'd like I'd be glad to quote some them at length, as I have on here in the past. Claiming that I called him a racist "because of the subject matter of his poetry" is simply disingenuous and you know it. He has said vile, disgusting things and it's a shame he gets a pass.

And yes, I do question Michael Lee's intelligence. But first of all, he questioned mine in a personal email a few months back. He at one point called me an "idiot" which I found very unprofessional.

When discussing whether Rush Limbaugh was a racist (after something Mike Wilbon had written about Rush) he told me I could not comment on that because I'm not black. Which I not only found outrageous but absurd as well. I asked him whether he was "allowed" to comment on immigration issues even though he's not Hispanic (I am). He never answered the question.

Look, I do believe he is not a particularly smart individual and if you look at his articles and blog, there is plenty of evidence to back that up (regardless of the fact that this particular piece was not written by him).

Anyhow, the fact that we disagree politically doesn't mean you should resort to calling me names and using a straw man like you did.

Posted by: Barno1 | May 20, 2010 11:19 PM | Report abuse

First of all,if you were defending Rush Limpballz then you really are an idiot. Mr. Hillbilly Heroin should stay as far away from sports-related issues as possible.

That said - you have every right to comment on anything Rush says regardless of your race.

You are certainly in a lonely minority with your opnion on Michael Lee. I think he is one of the better NBA beat writers working today.

His twitter page is clever, informative and timely. He also does a good job of following news from around the association. Between blogs, appearances on CSN and tweets, Lee holds it down with good info and analysis IMO.

It's your right to be a hater but him dissing your opinion doesn't mean he's not intelligent.

Posted by: elfreako | May 21, 2010 12:16 AM | Report abuse

Buddy, I am no fan of Rush Limbaugh but from what he has said and what Wilbon went after him for, there was simply no evidence he was a racist. Then I took a closer look at Limbaugh's comments and he comes across as anything but racist. Sorry, but I can defend Limbaugh without being an idiot.

Clearly, you have a lot to learn my friend.

Posted by: Barno1 | May 21, 2010 1:49 AM | Report abuse

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