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Leonsis signs purchase agreement; should take over in June

Washington Capitals owner Ted Leonsis moved another step closer to taking over the Wizards on Sunday when he signed a purchase agreement with the estate of Abe Pollin. Thomas Heath reported the news earlier on Sunday:

Washington Capitals owner Ted Leonsis on Sunday signed a purchase agreement with the estate of Abe Pollin, committing Leonsis to purchase the 56 percent of the Washington Wizards and Verizon Center that he does not already own.
The agreement is the next-to-last formality before the properties are officially turned over to the former AOL mogul, which is expected to take a month to six weeks.
Leonsis will now formalize his agreements with lenders to finance the purchase. The purchase agreement means Leonsis, who leads a closely-held group of investors known as Lincoln Holdings, will likely take over the Wizards in time for the June NBA draft.
The timing will allow Lincoln Holdings to have input on player selections as he seeks to rebuild the ailing franchise.

The timing works out well for Leonsis, since he will be able to put his imprint on the franchise in time for the June 24 NBA draft. The lottery is two weeks from Tuesday and don't be surprised if Leonsis takes a seat in Secaucus, N.J. The Wizards have the fifth-best chance at winning the No. 1 overall pick and finish no worse than eighth.

Leonsis spoke briefly about the Wizards during his press conference about the Capitals' first-round flop against the Montreal Canadians. He also told Comcast SportsNet's Russ Thaler his plans for Gilbert Arenas, who will soon be released from a halfway house.

"I do want to look Gilbert in the eye and see what makes him tick and understand what he's thinking," Leonsis said. "I'll probably give him a hug, and we'll kill a couple of aliens with some video games and get to know each other. You have to empathize with people and understand them and what makes them tick, but his boss is Flip and Flip decides what system and how he plays. And I'll never get in the way of that relationship."

I posed the question on Twitter, but I'd like to ask again: What would most like to see Leonsis do with the Wizards?

By Michael Lee  |  May 2, 2010; 11:03 PM ET
 
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"I posed the question on Twitter, but I'd like to ask again: What would most like to see Leonsis do with the Wizards?"

I'd like Mr. Leonsis to have a long sit down with Jerry West. Get a bit of advice on who he respects in front office operations, and his opinion on Grunfeld.
Then take it from there.

Posted by: bozomoeman | May 2, 2010 11:48 PM | Report abuse

I would like to see Mr Leonsis go back to the red, white,and blue.

Posted by: wiz313 | May 3, 2010 12:04 AM | Report abuse

i think we're gonna get the first pick. hope it's a good one. Go, Bullets!

Posted by: dcjazzman | May 3, 2010 3:53 AM | Report abuse

Let's see the Wiz actually make use of the draft and get some guys that can make an impact right away. Just think of last year - look at what we passed up - Steph Curry, Brandon Jennings, Ty Lawson, DeJuan Blair in the 2nd, etc.

I would also like to see us get that rough & tumble dude, that Boozer, the Millsap, the Blair, the Garnett, the guy that gets physical under the basket and adds some fire to the fundamentals.

I've had enough of the tweeners, enough of the guys with miles of potential and no heart. Let's get some bangers in here, surrounded with a key superstar FA acquisition to join Gil, along with some young talent with star potential, and get back to winning.

Posted by: CantwaittoseeJLCgo | May 3, 2010 7:01 AM | Report abuse

Get a GM who focuses on the future, rather than patching year to year. Patching would be living with Arenas long term, getting a FA like Joe Johnson (anyone on the second big contract is likely to be on a downhill slide after awhile), and resigning the aging vets like Mike Miller and Josh Howard to long term deals. Ernie will want to do all of that.

I am not saying it is easy to get out of the Arenas contract, but a buyout of some sort (negotiated over a video gun battle) would save a lot of pain and clear salary space.

In short, go with the kids. Establish a young core (like with the Caps) and build higher and higher.

Posted by: EdDC | May 3, 2010 7:33 AM | Report abuse

The Wiz need a top flight point guard out of the draft. If they need to trade their picks to move up, so be it.

Arenas is history in DC.

Posted by: Izman | May 3, 2010 7:51 AM | Report abuse

Ernie is a mystery to me. He seems to be a very capable manager and evaluator of talent with one exception: his drafts have been abysmal. Ted please fix that.

Posted by: junkmail0153 | May 3, 2010 8:03 AM | Report abuse

hard to envision any possibility of arenas being moved until another $20-$40mill comes off his salary. Until he's owed less money, proven he can still play, and shown some maturity...he's our TOXIC asset

Posted by: divi3 | May 3, 2010 8:04 AM | Report abuse

Change the name/uniforms. And I think he'll do it, too.

Posted by: Tank2 | May 3, 2010 8:59 AM | Report abuse

TED!!! PLEASE!!! GET GRUNFELD OUT OF THERE!!! HE HAS TAKEN THIS FRANCHISE TO THE DUMPS AND ACTS LIKE HE HAS NO RESPONSIBILITY FOR IT! HE TRIED TO SAVE HIS OWN ASS BY DUMPING CONTRACTS WITH A FIRE SALE AND NOW ACTS LIKE A SAVIOR... PLEASE GET HIM OUT OF THERE ALONG WITH HIS ABSURD FRONT OFFICE CLOWNS!

Posted by: habari2 | May 3, 2010 9:00 AM | Report abuse

I'd like Mr. Leonsis to have a long sit down with Jerry West. Get a bit of advice on who he respects in front office operations, and his opinion on Grunfeld.
Then take it from there.

Posted by: bozomoeman

Yo, just shorten your nickname to bozo!

Posted by: habari2 | May 3, 2010 9:02 AM | Report abuse

It should be clear from the above quotes from Ted Leonsis that Ernest Grunfeld and his hand-picked coach, Philip Saunders, are being retained to lead this franchise the right way. Part of being an intelligent, forward-thinking owner is avoiding the "change for change's sake" mentality that is so prominent in sports.
Bravo, Mr. Leonsis!

Posted by: melodious_thunk | May 3, 2010 9:03 AM | Report abuse

hard to envision any possibility of arenas being moved until another $20-$40mill comes off his salary. Until he's owed less money, proven he can still play, and shown some maturity...he's our TOXIC asset. Posted by: divi3 | May 3, 2010 8:04 AM |

Why not sit down with Gil and agree that a fresh start is best for all concerned?

B = C - E,

where B = buyout amount

C= money left on his current contract (the $80.1 million for a guy with old knees, no D and poor shooting percent),

and E = the money Gil could get elsewhere over the next four years of his absurd contract.

Let's say Gil thinks he can get $28 million elsewhere. Then the B is 80 - 28 = $52 million.

Is that too much to give to a guy to get him to walk? Yes. But you save $28 million too.

Posted by: EdDC | May 3, 2010 9:03 AM | Report abuse

his boss is Flip and Flip decides what system and how he plays. And I'll never get in the way of that relationship.

There is a good side and a bad side to Ted's comment...

The good is he sounds like he's not going to be a Jerry Jones type of owner who thinks he is bigger than the team...

The bad side is, it sounds like he is going to leave Ernie in charge. That means the rebuilding process is going to take a lot longer since it will take Ted a few years to learn what most of us already know, Ernie isn't the type of GM that can build a championship team.

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | May 3, 2010 9:20 AM | Report abuse

Keep Milt Newton. And figure out how much of what we've seen was Abe and how much was Ernie.

Posted by: joe2chase | May 3, 2010 9:25 AM | Report abuse

Arenas only problems are that he was out hurt too long and then got suspended when he finally did come back. Maybe he has learned to be more cool after this and maybe not, but it is very reasonable to think that that he will. All the the other quotes, twitters, and other comments that people usually overreact to are only a problem because he was out not performing on the court.

Posted by: millineumman | May 3, 2010 9:27 AM | Report abuse

LEONSIS appears to be a slow mover as the GM from the CAPS is still in place. I don't expect major moves in the frontoffice or coaching. But there will have to be moves made in personnel. We've got five guys under contract, with three that are optional and iffy. "five guys" sounds like a pizza joint. Heh.

Posted by: glawrence007 | May 3, 2010 9:27 AM | Report abuse

M.Thunk: Yeah that's just what this franchise needs retain a Gm who has mastermind back to back fifty loss seasons and a coach ain't got a clue, change for change's sake no...........how about change for sanity's sake!!.

Posted by: dargregmag | May 3, 2010 9:29 AM | Report abuse

The problem with the timing is that by the time Leonsis' purchase goes through, Ernie and the scouting staff will have substantially completed the pre-draft evaluations. So, I don't think Ernie will be fired this year unless Leonsis has hired a shadow GM. Plus, I don't think the wiz are going to be very active in free agency given the looming labor dispute.

Did anyone see the "Rumor" on ESPN that the Wiz might be interested in Beasely. The Rumor went on to say that maybe the Wiz would give up their #1 pick to get him. Hah! I had to laugh out load. If the latter is true, they need to fire everyone and anyone having to do with player personnel.

Posted by: ZardsFan1 | May 3, 2010 9:45 AM | Report abuse

I'd like to see Ted give Ernie ONE YEAR to prove that he can make moves to improve this mess he made here. Let Mike Miller go he hasn't proven anything anywhere for anyone but that bad luck follows him. Re-sign Josh Howard and maybe keep some of the junk we got in return for the fire sale. DO NOT GO AFTER JOE JOHNSON! We don't have enough talent here to make a playoff run anyway. Save the money and go after K Durant. I don't care what he says, I've been to OK City and all I have to say is "Keep feeding them the company line!". KEEP GIL! You have to, you have to have at least 2 but to win a championship, 3 is the magic number. If Gil didn't make $100 mil, we'd love him, that's what we do in this town, we did the same thing to JH but we call the Polin's cheap when Miami offer the deal first. What do we really want, a winning team or a church chior? I just want to see a team that wins here, PERIOD!

Posted by: zack5 | May 3, 2010 9:46 AM | Report abuse

Arenas situation is not going to affect the rebuilding process as long as the front office stop relying on him.Leave every thing to Arenas, support him in his return and see what he can bring.We all know his attitude to the game as long as maturity dominates in his on and off court performance.If Ted plan to trade him or negotiate for buy out it should be after next season,Arenas either will have a value or take money and become a jorney man.

Posted by: gtefferra | May 3, 2010 9:52 AM | Report abuse

I would like to see Leonsis take a similiar approach to this team as he did the Caps.

Give the hometeam fans incentives to come the the games building fan moral.

This will also build team moral, seeing more fans are coming to the games.

Second, get only players willing to work HARD for their paychecks. Nothing should be guaranteed. Take the same approach Mike Shanahan is taking with the Skins.

Third, let each player know what is expected of them THROUGHOUT the season...not at the beginning and end of the season. KEEP THESE GUYS IN CHECK!!!

GET A NEW GM!! Grunsfeld has killed this team! Start over with new management from top to bottom and get people in who are NOT from this area! Eddie Jordan worked for us, so maybe get him back with better players...or lure a top 10 coach in the NBA that'll shake this place up...and NOT Flip!

Posted by: cbmuzik | May 3, 2010 9:59 AM | Report abuse

I am not anti-Ernie, irrationally. He has made some good moves--Gil the first time around, Blatche, and the Butler steal.

However, he engineered maybe the worst contract ever in all of sports with Gil, giving him a blank check to literally write his own figure on. this was when no other team was seriously bidding for Gil, and when Gil clearly had a bum knee. You have to account for this huge failing in making a decision on him. There may be worst contracts--Mike Hampton?--but this comes close.

Other things bothered me too. I never saw his fondness for DeBrick. Why give $2 million to Oberto when any marginal NBA guy could do as well or better for less?

The worst move of all the lesser sins was signing Antonio Daniels to a long term deal when he was already over 30. You knew he would be a liability before too long. You had to know at that point that the Wiz were not building for a championship--such getting interesting product out on the floor to get a little respectability around the league and among the fan base.

Posted by: EdDC | May 3, 2010 10:02 AM | Report abuse

@dargregmag

As I've said many times before, Ernest Grunfeld is no more responsible for the back-to-back 50-loss seasons than you are.

Consider--A year ago their best player (Arenas) was hurt and your boy Ed Jordan showed that he was wholly incapable of doing squat without him. Ernest, intelligent, decisive GM that he is, immediately tried to correct the situation by canning Jordan, but alas it was too late. Jordan had already infected the team with a loser's mentality that, thank goodness, should be fully out of the organization's system by October. This year, the late owner (RIP) decided to go all-in for a deep playoff run and it simply didn't work.

If you must judge Ernest, take note of what he did in February and beyond. The organization now has an unbelievable amount of flexibility moving forward and there's no doubt that Ernest will use his new-found freedom to mold this team into a champion. I remind you to consider yourself fortunate to utter "Grunfeld" and "Wizards" in the same sentence!

Posted by: melodious_thunk | May 3, 2010 10:19 AM | Report abuse

Addendum: I just would like to ad another move to my earlier list.

It shows poor judgment to give away a high draft pick (Curry? Jennings? Ricky Rubio?) just to get a year out of vets in the last year of their contracts. It shows a focus on the year ahead, not the future.

Posted by: EdDC | May 3, 2010 10:20 AM | Report abuse

@EdDC,

Well put, I tend to agree with all that.

Posted by: millineumman | May 3, 2010 10:21 AM | Report abuse

In all likelyhood Ted was fully consulted before the deadline deals went down. In fact the moves seem to have his fingerprints all over them. Take a team that's been a chronic one and done in the playoffs, and blow it up, no matter how popular some of the players are.

But don't look for Ted to fire Ernie, I think the blowup and rebuilding have been well discussed between the two. Robert Pollin just doesn't seem the type to pull the trigger on those deals without having the approval of group that was buying the club.

Ted does seem to lean on his GM and staff and isn't a Snyder type. I look for Ernie and Flip to be in place for at least another year. They're going to be given a chance to put their combined vision for the team in motion. I don't see Ted doing another 180 at this point in the process.

I'd look for Ted's first moves to be more directed at marketing. Probably will be hard to pull off before next season, but look for new team colors, promotion, and hopefully a new name. Get rid of Webber's Wizz'ee's and get a name more reflective of Washington's charactor or go back to the classic Bullets name.

Who the team signs or resigns will depend a lot on draft order. My view is the top three are Wall, Turner, and Favors, some have Cousins at three. Given the choice between the two, I'd say go with Favors, I think the kid's got the highest upside of anybody in this draft, though he may be 2-4 years from fully realizing it.

Which direction the team goes depends so much on that lottery order. Ted got the lucky draw to get Alex for the Caps.

Here's to hoping he brings some new luck, new team colors, a new, or even old name, and a new tude' to the Wizards.
GM

Posted by: flohrtv | May 3, 2010 10:22 AM | Report abuse

Addendum: I just would like to ad another move to my earlier list.

It shows poor judgment to give away a high draft pick (Curry? Jennings? Ricky Rubio?) just to get a year out of vets in the last year of their contracts. It shows a focus on the year ahead, not the future.

Posted by: EdDC | May

I've said a few times that I think we get management that is concerned with validating themselves first rather than building a strong franchise for years to come. (including the Skins here, sorry!)
It's how a perinially mediocre team has a habit of giving away the draft to get slightly above average vets. It can get you to a .500 record.

Posted by: millineumman | May 3, 2010 10:30 AM | Report abuse

However, [Grunfeld] engineered maybe the worst contract ever in all of sports with Gil, giving him a blank check to literally write his own figure on. this was when no other team was seriously bidding for Gil, and when Gil clearly had a bum knee.

Posted by: EdDC | May 3, 2010 10:02 AM

I appreceiate your generally rational, measured approach to the Wizards front office, but your assumptions are incorrect.
First, at least two other teams (Sacramento and Golden State) offered max contracts to Arenas ($100+ million). Secondly, Pollin (RIP) badly wanted Arenas resigned because he was an undeniable fan favorite and box-office smash. Pollin "engineered" the contract to keep butts in the seats, thereby boosting his bottom line. The resigning had little, if anything, to do with building a championship-caliber team.

With regard to Daniels, he did not become a "liability" until well into the contract (four years into it, if not mistaken) when he injured himself working out. Prior to that, he was instrumental in our making the playoffs after Arenas went down two years straight. It was not a bad signing since he too had his suitors at the time.

Posted by: melodious_thunk | May 3, 2010 10:35 AM | Report abuse

Ernest, intelligent, decisive GM that he is, immediately tried to correct the situation by canning Jordan...

Posted by: melodious_thunk | May 3, 2010 10:19 AM | Report abuse

...Ernie fired Eddie Jordan Nov 24th after he exercised Eddie's contract option on Sept 22 the same year and you use the words intelligent and decisive?

Then he brought in ETaps as the head coach?

I realize you have are a big Ernie fan but I don't understand how you can't see all of the mistakes he's made.

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | May 3, 2010 10:51 AM | Report abuse

What you guys think the new name should be ?

Posted by: suliman215 | May 3, 2010 10:53 AM | Report abuse

I'm not an EG lover, but I also don't understand all the hate. He's significantly better than what we had before. Is he the best GM out there? Nope. Will the Wizards ever have the best GM? Nope.

He's like a lot of other GM's. He's good when he has assets and a bad team, (Jamison trade, Blatche 2nd round, Butler) because he's willing to take risks. Then when his teams get good, he plays it safe. That's where things like Antonio Daniels, and last years lottery pick trade come in, and two years in a row of not even taking the second round pick.

I look for him to make smart moves with this years draft and free agency. I have a feeling we won't be the top choice for many free agents. I say we keep the draft pick unless we package it for an extremely talented player that has already proven himself some. Since I don't see that happening, I think we can at the very least land Cole Aldrich in the draft, with the 8th spot.

Then if Miami really does want to give Beasley away to dump salary, we can offer one of our huge trade exceptions for him, giving up nothing. Maybe include the second round pick, since we have a second late first rounder.

Posted by: segastyle | May 3, 2010 10:59 AM | Report abuse

If you must judge Ernest, take note of what he did in February and beyond. The organization now has an unbelievable amount of flexibility moving forward and there's no doubt that Ernest will use his new-found freedom to mold this team into a champion. I remind you to consider yourself fortunate to utter "Grunfeld" and "Wizards" in the same sentence!

Posted by: melodious_thunk
Ernest?? and his new found freedom?? champion... meloodius change your nick to tedious_thunk AND!!!

TED!!! PLEASE!!! GET GRUNFELD OUT OF THERE!!! HE HAS TAKEN THIS FRANCHISE TO THE DUMPS AND ACTS LIKE HE HAS NO RESPONSIBILITY FOR IT! HE TRIED TO SAVE HIS OWN ASS BY DUMPING CONTRACTS WITH A FIRE SALE AND NOW ACTS LIKE A SAVIOR... PLEASE GET HIM OUT OF THERE ALONG WITH HIS ABSURD FRONT OFFICE CLOWNS!

Posted by: habari2 | May 3, 2010 11:08 AM | Report abuse

GET A NEW GM!! Grunsfeld has killed this team! Start over with new management from top to bottom and get people in who are NOT from this area! Eddie Jordan worked for us, so maybe get him back with better players...or lure a top 10 coach in the NBA that'll shake this place up...and NOT Flip!

You lost all credibility when you mentioned bring back Eddie Jordan...then followed it up by bring a top 10 coach and not Flip.

NONE of that adds up.

Posted by: SDMDTSU | May 3, 2010 11:25 AM | Report abuse

@bullets,

Come on now. You know that Eddie Jordan was POLLIN's guy, don't you? He was showing Jordan some love after richly rewarding Jamison and Arenas in 2008. The OWNER picked up the option on Jordan's contract, not Ernest Grunfeld.

Posted by: melodious_thunk | May 3, 2010 11:33 AM | Report abuse

Yes, that's another strike against Ernie. Eddie Jordan was a decent coach, not a great one. Taps was not a legit NBA coach. So why fire Eddie and pay him all that money just to make a change?

If you sign Antonio Daniels at age 30 for five years and he goes bust in the 4th year (you can say it was an injury, but most guys break down at 34), then that's short-sighted.

If you want to defend the $111 million contract for Gil, be my guest. That deal was hoping for respectability. It had nothing to do with building toward a championship.

Posted by: EdDC | May 3, 2010 11:39 AM | Report abuse

All this is great...but Ted is not going to "save" the Wizards.

NHL and NBA are different.

People talking about make them earn their paychecks. THEY'RE GUARANTEED. They don't have to earn anything. You can't trade away your stars for 1st round draft choice, no minor league system of any significance and there aren't 7 rounds or whatever. The stockpile young talent and stick them in the minors for 2-3 years isn't going to happen.

Talk about fan morale....who raises ticket prices in a recession? And punches out a fan? Not being critical...just stating facts that get ignored.

Did Ted help turn the Caps around? For shizzle....but claiming him as the "savior" of the Wizards is going to leave a lot of people disappointed.

And EG's moves has been some positive and some negative...but who are you comparing him to? Seriously? All GM's are up and down with moves.

BF78's love affair with Petrie...what happened?

Posted by: SDMDTSU | May 3, 2010 11:43 AM | Report abuse

I'm not an EG lover, but I also don't understand all the hate. He's significantly better than what we had before.
Posted by: segastyle | May 3, 2010 10:59 AM | Report abuse

You are correct, but that is a low standard.

Posted by: EdDC | May 3, 2010 11:50 AM | Report abuse


I hate to read too much into quotes, but it doesn't look like Leonsis thinks that Flip should/will be out and I think if Flip stays, Ernie stays. Grunfeld will look like a genius anyway if the Wiz somehow luck into one of the top two picks.

Posted by: tgif11 | May 3, 2010 12:10 PM | Report abuse

First, @EdDC. Gil's contract sucks now, but it wasn't a max deal, he took less than max to stay. It's not even the worst contract in Wizards history, let alone NBA or sports history.

With Ted and EG / Flip. I wouldn't put any particular stock in what Ted says now about Flip or EG. My instinct is the same as a lot of yours, that he won't do anything this offseason, in part because of the timing and in part because of the money owed Flip. But he's under no obligation, no matter what he says now.

It's not like he's new to the organization. He's been part owner of the Wiz all along and was involved enough to bring Michael Jordan to the table back in the day. So it's likely he already knows what he wants to do with Flip and EG. He just may not want to reveal it now.

Can't see him going for a buyout of Gil either, so soon after spending a few hundred million on the Wiz and VC, and with losing money on the Caps for more than a few years now. They're not contenders next year anyway, so bring him back, see what he has. Maybe he becomes tradable, or at least you shave $20 mil off of the buyout.

Posted by: ts35 | May 3, 2010 12:15 PM | Report abuse

OK, enlighten me: what is the worst contract in (1) Wiz/Bullets history?, (2) sports history?

Posted by: EdDC | May 3, 2010 12:22 PM | Report abuse

I am sure Ted will know exactly what to do with EG. Ted hasn't been hiding in a cave concerning the wizards the past 10 years. As a minority owner who knew Abe personally he knew exactly how much influence Abe had over EG decisions. I trust Ted will do the right thing and whether it will be to fire him or keep him it will be a SMART BUSINESS DECISION.

Posted by: jefferu | May 3, 2010 12:24 PM | Report abuse

Juwan's deal, $105 mil (in 1996 dollars) hamstrung this franchise far more than Gil's is. The cap back then was around $25-30 mil. Juwan was the first player in NBA history to sign a deal over $100 million. That seem like good value?

If you're looking for bad injury contracts, try Allan Houston's extension. Or Grant Hill's sign and trade with Orlando.

Posted by: ts35 | May 3, 2010 12:39 PM | Report abuse

Jayson Williams (New Jersey Nets) probably ranks up there among the worst (7 yrs, $86M) considering he was only a rebounder who averaged about 7 ppg for his career and broke his leg in the second year of the contract.

Posted by: tgif11 | May 3, 2010 12:48 PM | Report abuse

It should be clear from the above quotes from Ted Leonsis that Ernest Grunfeld and his hand-picked coach, Philip Saunders, are being retained to lead this franchise the right way. Part of being an intelligent, forward-thinking owner is avoiding the "change for change's sake" mentality that is so prominent in sports.
Bravo, Mr. Leonsis!

Posted by: melodious_thunk
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Couldn't have said it better myself. Amen, brother. You are a breath of fresh air in contrast to those on this blog who mindlessly call for the heads of a GM and coach who are among the league's best while not even proposing any viable alternatives.

Posted by: phil27 | May 3, 2010 12:52 PM | Report abuse

Yeah I have to put Juwan's contract as the worst in team history...

Posted by: SDMDTSU | May 3, 2010 12:54 PM | Report abuse

BF78's love affair with Petrie...what happened?

Posted by: SDMDTSU | May 3, 2010 11:43 AM | Report abuse


Back when a lot of people on here were saying EG was GM of the year for making the MM and Foye trade for the 5th pick?

I was on here trying to explain that the Wizards weren't as good as Ernie was saying...then someone asked me who I liked better and I wrote Petrie.

It's not about me having a love affair over the guy like melodious_thunk does with Ernie...

First...I remember he was the GM who fleeced the Wizards out of CWebb for Mith Richmond and I want a GM who is the one who does the fleecing not the other way around.

Second....Considering the Wizards had one more win then the Kings and they had AJ, Gil, CB, BTH and Flip for half a year I believe the Kings will be better sooner then the Wizards since Petrie has built a better foundation then EG has.

That's okay I undestand the Wizards blind follower's philosophy under Abe was never question the organization because they know best and the reason they've sucked the last two years was because of bad luck?

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | May 3, 2010 12:58 PM | Report abuse

Ted Leonsis should replace Ernie Grunfeld with a new GM. Take a lession from Oklahoma City. They hired a young guy (32 years old) with fresh ideas as their GM, Sam Presti from the San Antonio Spurs. The Thunder are on track to be a very good team for many years to come. I would go back to the Spurs and look at their front office for a candidate. But look at the other winning teams for potential GM candidates. There are other young guys looking for the opportunity to mold a franchise. If this is supposed to be a fresh start for the franchise then start at the very top.

Posted by: wbjking | May 3, 2010 1:02 PM | Report abuse

Making Adam Archuleta the highest paid safety in NFL history?

Albert Belle's 5yr $65 mill with the Orioles? (that's a LOT of firecrackers!)

Neon Deion's 7yr $56 mil contract with the Skins? He played one season here.

That's just local history. Off the top of my head.

You could argue for A-Rod's original $250 mil contract, since a) the Rangers owner (in Snyder-like fashion) was bidding against himself and b) it left the Rangers without the resources to flesh out the rest of the team.

Anyway, suffice to say that while I do not enjoy having Gil's contract on the books, it is not overly unique in sports.

Posted by: ts35 | May 3, 2010 1:08 PM | Report abuse

Juwan's deal was indeed awful. He was able to be dealt after 4+ seasons. I wonder how easy it will be to unload Gil? Is it clear that Juwan's deal was the all-time worst? I'll go with Gil's contract.

What made the Juwan deal so awful is that the Bullets gave Juwan an "out." If in two years he wanted to get out of the contract, he could. And he did. The Bullets shaved $2 million or so off Juwan's rookie contract in exchange for this out. But it cost the team tens of millions down the road. Just another example of short-sighted thinking.

The fact that Gil's bad contract is up there with Allan Houston's bad contract and Juwan's and Jayson Williams' bad contracts says a lot. We could argue whether it is the worst of all time. I still think it might be! And you don't. That's fair.

Here are Juwan's stats (scroll down): generally 18-20 points while with the team (except only 15 one season), 8 rebs, decent shooting percentage. Gil? Not so great since he signed his whopping contract. When Gil does play his shooting percent is awful, he is not a great team leader for a franchise player, his D sets a poor example to his teammates, and he is not particularly playoff-tough. His knees are 40 years old.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/h/howarju01.html

Posted by: EdDC | May 3, 2010 1:12 PM | Report abuse

Ted Leonsis should replace Ernie Grunfeld with a new GM. Take a lession from Oklahoma City. They hired a young guy (32 years old) with fresh ideas as their GM, Sam Presti from the San Antonio Spurs.

His youth and fresh ideas would mean little if they hadn't gotten lucky in the draft. They twice leapfrogged other teams in the lottery when they got Durant (No. 2 overall) and Harden (No. 3). That kind of luck will likely make them a serious contender sooner rather than later considering Durant looks every bit the part of transcendant superstar. I give them credit for trading for the No. 5 pick that became Jeff Green and drafting Westbrook and No. 4.

Posted by: tgif11 | May 3, 2010 1:13 PM | Report abuse

Looking at EG's over all transaction history he makes good decisions and bad decisions.

Great moves: Drafted Michael Redd, Signed Sam Cassell, Signed Gilbert Arenas, Drafted Andray Blatche, Extended blatche for dirt cheap, Traded Kwame brown for Caron, Traded for AJ, Signed Roger Mason

Good moves: Signed Songaila, Signed Antonio Daniels

Bad moves: Traded Ray Allen, Traded, extended Gilbert Arenas, Drafted Pech vs Rajon Rondo 2006, NY over Rudy Fernandez, Dominic McGuire over Marc Gasol.

I'm still on the fence on the Miller and Foye trade because its not like EG could say "we will need Jennings, a bench player oversees, or curry a star from a smaller school because I predict in December Gilbert will whip out guns."

Posted by: jefferu | May 3, 2010 1:13 PM | Report abuse

...Westbrook at No. 4.

Posted by: tgif11 | May 3, 2010 1:16 PM | Report abuse

ts35

None of those are in the 9 figure range. But those are good ones (or bad ones)!

The bad A-Rod contract is mitigated by the facts that (a) he put up some of the best numbers of all time, (b) the Rangers were able to unload him to the Yankees, and (c) the Yankees turned around and gave A-Rod an even better deal when the first deal ran out--even though A-Rod was a much older player by then. Gil's contract may be worse.

Posted by: EdDC | May 3, 2010 1:18 PM | Report abuse

it's not about me having a love affair over the guy like melodious_thunk does with Ernie...

First...I remember he was the GM who fleeced the Wizards out of CWebb for Mith Richmond and I want a GM who is the one who does the fleecing not the other way around.

Second....Considering the Wizards had one more win then the Kings and they had AJ, Gil, CB, BTH and Flip for half a year I believe the Kings will be better sooner then the Wizards since Petrie has built a better foundation then EG has.

Posted by: bulletsfan78

I'm not in the EG is the best or EG is the worst camps. But a couple of things here:

First, C-Webb for Mitch and Otis Thorpe is one of the worst trades in NBA history. But on EG's side, he did get CB for Kwame. It doesn't rise to the same level, but it is a fleecing. Especially since that trade was just about 'talent'. There were no financial or legal motivators behind it. Also, I don't believe Petrie ever engineered a FA deal that required a new NBA rule to be written to keep other teams from taking advantage of it.

Second, The Kings' foundation is one player (Evans) better than the Wizards. In all other areas they are pretty comparable. If Gil is healthy, that lead shrinks. And a lot depends on the bouncing of the lottery balls.

So while I give Petrie a slight edge, it's not a slam dunk. And if you track the team's records over the years EG has been here, they are pretty much the same.

Posted by: ts35 | May 3, 2010 1:32 PM | Report abuse

I would like to see Mr. Leonsis:
1. Change the name back to the Bullets.
2. Get rid of Gilbert or at least restructure his rediculous contract.
3. Find a franchise player in the draft like Brandon Jennings or Kevin Durant.

Posted by: josephmckeague | May 3, 2010 1:37 PM | Report abuse

1st. Grunfeld OUT.

Rick Snider: With Leonsis in control, time to take care of a few things
By: Rick Snider
Examiner Sports Columnist
May 2, 2010

3. The Wizards need a new general manager. Ernie Grunfeld may be respected league-wide, but his run here is done. The drafts have stunk. New blood is needed.
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/sport ... z0mnGQIWZd

Posted by: closg | May 3, 2010 1:49 PM | Report abuse

The draft always requires a bit of luck, everybody knows that. It's also a fact that you have to have a philosophy that is compatible with todays NBA. Ernie Grunfeld is a relick of the past and has to go. It also isn't a matter of luck tha Oklahoma City has two first round draft choices and two second round draft choices. The top of the draft requires some luck, but it's also true that the more draft choices you have, the more opportunities you have to acquire good players. So give me a new young GM!

Posted by: wbjking | May 3, 2010 2:00 PM | Report abuse

So EdDC, your contention is that giving the richest contract in NBA history to a 'nice' player who was never an All-Star after he signed it, which blocked any FA moves they might have tried to make and forced them into two bad trades (Googs and 3 #1s for Webber and Rasheed for Strickland) in order to improve them team was better than Gil's contract, despite which we still have cap space available to sign one max free agent plus another mid-level FA.

Juwan's contract already goes down in league history as an epic-level bad contract, Gil's contract won't rise to that level, especially in the wake of things like Stephon Marbury being paid $23 mil a season not to play.

Juwan's contract was essentially the same size as Gil's ($105M to $111M) but Juwan's was signed 15 years ago when the cap was less than half of what it is now and the average player in 1996 made half of what he does now. Being able to trade it doesn't make it less of a bad deal, just someone else's problem. And the fact that at this point in their contracts, Juwan had better stats (and is a better guy) doesn't change the fact that his contract as much as anything else derailed this franchise for years.

Also, the fact that Gil's contract problems do compare pretty well with two other examples, and neither is widely considered as bad and the Juwan Howard deal, pretty much tells you all you need to know about how much most of the rest of the world feels about the two contracts.

As to the other deals I mentioned, which were not 9 figure deals....First, it's hard to compare dollar values across sports because they don't translate. And also, some of them were signed more than a decade ago.

Posted by: ts35 | May 3, 2010 2:16 PM | Report abuse

If you were going to hire a GM for the Wiz, would you pick Ernie?

When you retain somebody, it is essentially the same thing as hiring that person. Because you already have Ernie, that should not change the equation too much. Is he your best choice for the job?

I guess it all depends on whether you want to start fresh, or rely upon doing things as they have always been done.

Posted by: EdDC | May 3, 2010 2:19 PM | Report abuse

I didn't even get to Jagr signing with the Caps (as all of the Caps fans groan in rememberance).

Posted by: ts35 | May 3, 2010 2:20 PM | Report abuse

Oops, one mistake. Googs for Webber was before Howard's new deal.

Posted by: ts35 | May 3, 2010 2:41 PM | Report abuse

A 6'7" point guard who knows how to play the game is RARE. The Wizards should focus on signing Livingston, not worring about getting a pick whereby they can draft some kid with no NBA experience and hope that it works out.

Posted by: getabigboyoffense | May 3, 2010 2:44 PM | Report abuse

Comparing Gil's second big contract with Juwan's:

Juwan was much younger than Gil when Juwan signed his big contract. Juwan had more upside (we know Gil's upside by now). Juwan had sound knees and a sound body. It looked like a better value than what we are seeing now with Gil.

Hey, is Gil ever going to be an All-Star again? Answer that, please.

I am not saying the Juwan contract was good. It was awful. But Gil is going to have to produce to make his contract less bad when compared to Juwan's. At least Juwan was a 18-8 guy. Gil has hardly played at all since he signed his whopping contract.

Gil may have to commit to playing defense. Will he do that? Why should he? He is rich beyond imagination. He will have to improve his shooting percent. He will have to be a better team leader. He may have to stop pooping in his teammates' shoes. Can he do all that? If so, and if he does so for a period of years, then you might have a pretty good case. Until then, as it stands now, Gil's is the worst contract in Wiz/Bullets history.

Neither of those two guys seems to have had the ability to be worthy of a 9 figure deal, but at least Juwan was healthy. At least Juwan gave the team four pretty good years. Gil has not given the Wiz anything in two years except misery. So the edge goes to Juwan.

Posted by: EdDC | May 3, 2010 2:45 PM | Report abuse

I would like these things from the owner, off court:

1. Change the team name, either back to Bullets, or to something representing DC.
2. Change the team colors back to red, white, and blue.
3. Lower prices while the team is not competitive to get people to games.

I think once you win the fans back, and get good crowds, the team will play better, and the franchise will be a better destination for free agents. There's a reason why Sacramento could land free agents for a while: they had a solid team with an amazing fan base. Those two combos got them national TV time. Free agents, besides money, like to have a place that they feel welcome. And TV time also means more awards and endorsements for individual players.

As for on court, I'd play it close to the vest this offseason, depending on where our pick is. Don't blow it by signing just enough people to 3-4 year contracts just so we can stay competitive and be the 8th seeded playoff team. If you can't land someone real, to play alongside Arenas and the younger guys, then just stay young and short term on signings. Keep all our drafts picks, or work one of those last two picks into Beasley with our a trade exception. He's on the final years of his contract with an option for next, so he doesn't restrict us long-term, and he'd make a great rotation with Blatche and Thornton on the forward spots.

But assuming we can't trade Arenas, we shouldn't just ignore him.

Posted by: segastyle | May 3, 2010 2:48 PM | Report abuse

The top of the draft requires some luck, but it's also true that the more draft choices you have, the more opportunities you have to acquire good players. So give me a new young GM!

Take away one piece of "luck", namely Durant, and Oklahoma City is just another place to having more than its fair share of tumbleweeds. The fresh, young GM had nothing to do with jumping up to the number two spot to grab him. The picks you speak of will serve to add pieces around Durant and certainly will not bring them another Durant. Would you agree that it's easier to add pieces when you have your transcendant player? Luck, my friend, is what the Wizards need.

Posted by: tgif11 | May 3, 2010 3:00 PM | Report abuse

Juwan was much younger than Gil when Juwan signed his big contract. Juwan had more upside (we know Gil's upside by now). Juwan had sound knees and a sound body. It looked like a better value than what we are seeing now with Gil.

Um, if we're going back to how they were playing before their contracts were signed, Gil was coming off of back-to-back seasons of averaging nearly 30pts a game, and was a dark horse candidate for league MVP. And he was 26, as opposed to 23. It's not like Gil was 30 when he signed it. And Juwan's upside proved to be....nothing. He never got better than that. I like Juwan, but being a 6'9" player who couldn't dunk limited his 'upside.'

Hey, is Gil ever going to be an All-Star again? Answer that, please......At least Juwan was a 18-8 guy. Gil has hardly played at all since he signed his whopping contract.

No idea. But he was averaging 23pt and 7asts when he was suspended, which means about as much as Juwan's 18/8.

The biggest difference between the two now is that the team is still capable of moving on despite Gil's contract, whereas with Juwan, they weren't able to do anything until the got rid of his contract.

Posted by: ts35 | May 3, 2010 3:08 PM | Report abuse

I like Juwan, but being a 6'9" player who couldn't dunk limited his 'upside.'

LOL!

Posted by: tgif11 | May 3, 2010 3:16 PM | Report abuse

Um, if we're going to go back to how they were playing before their contracts were signed, recall that Gill wasn't playing at all. His knees were bummed, pre-contact!

Juwan's numbers were great too, before he took the money and became fabulously wealthy for life. Juwan bothered to produce some after he signed. Will Gill produce as much?

We are talking four years of pretty good years for Juwan before he was thankfully traded away. Looking at Gil, he has already eaten up half of that length of time, two years, just sitting around. So to make it even, Gil is going to have to do really well the next couple years to even things out with Juwan.

As a guy with old knees, a poor shooting percent (yes, he can still gun the ball and get ppg), and no D, will he be worth as much as Juwan was? You say yes, but I say probably not if you look at the total picture of the two guys.

Posted by: EdDC | May 3, 2010 3:19 PM | Report abuse

While totally ignoring the relative impact their contracts had on the rest of the team structure.

Posted by: ts35 | May 3, 2010 3:23 PM | Report abuse

Juwan's was one of the two worst contracts of all time for this franchise. But if a guy goes 22.1 ppg on 49 percent shooting and gets 8.1 rebs, you have to think it means some upside. Plus, he really pretended like he wanted to win. I remember one time he cried after a loss. That was brilliant! Compare that to an interesting blog.

Posted by: EdDC | May 3, 2010 3:29 PM | Report abuse

ts35

So you think the Wiz can absorb $80 million and have enough left to get another franchise player? Even if they can, one of your franchise players can't be less-than-great. In other words, Gil does affect the salary structure. You can't afford him under the salary cap. You can't write off his play and still build a championship team.

If you are going to have franchise guys, they better be great, not just better-than-average. That goes for Juwan and Gil. Both are/were better-than-average, but not great. Otherwise, forget the title. The title goes to teams that get great players with their big bucks.

Posted by: EdDC | May 3, 2010 3:42 PM | Report abuse


I am sure Ted will know exactly what to do with EG. Ted hasn't been hiding in a cave concerning the wizards the past 10 years. As a minority owner who knew Abe personally he knew exactly how much influence Abe had over EG decisions. I trust Ted will do the right thing and whether it will be to fire him or keep him it will be a SMART BUSINESS DECISION.

Posted by: jefferu | May 3, 2010 12:24 PM

Agreed. Leonsis is too smart of a guy not to have taken note of the inner workings of the Wizards. Grunfeld will be retained or let go based on what's best for the Wizards organization. It's Leonsis' baby now and he's not about to let it fail to thrive.

Posted by: gimmedat | May 3, 2010 3:57 PM | Report abuse

you're not giving juwan his due, EdDC. It's not his fault Abe paid him and don't forget that Riley thought he was worth every penny of $100mill as well. Sure, was an all-time TERRIBLE move because he was in no way worth that kind of money as it turned out.

But it wasnt because he slacked off after getting paid, or was lazy, or a knucklhead, or any of that...he just wasnt that good.

Though through good'ol professionalism, hard work, and a little luck- he was still contributing to a playoff team this season! Good for him

Posted by: divi3 | May 3, 2010 4:02 PM | Report abuse

Here are my top 5 new team names...

5. Washington Lakers (I know there is already a team in LA but I love waking up and seeing the Lakers lost last nights game. Since it doesn't look like we will be winners anytime soon, this name takes some sting out of a loss.)
4. Washington Kobe Bryants (This name may confuse the officials and we can start getting all the calls. I guess you tell I really hate the Lakers.)
3. Washington Overpayers (This should attract free agents)
2. Washington Tropics (We can hire Jackie Moon. No on is better at getting the seats filled.)
1. There is only one name I think of when you say Washington and NBA...BULLETS!!!!!

Posted by: Boogadiggy | May 3, 2010 4:04 PM | Report abuse

Back when a lot of people on here were saying EG was GM of the year for making the MM and Foye trade for the 5th pick?

I was on here trying to explain that the Wizards weren't as good as Ernie was saying...then someone asked me who I liked better and I wrote Petrie.

It's not about me having a love affair over the guy like melodious_thunk does with Ernie...

First...I remember he was the GM who fleeced the Wizards out of CWebb for Mith Richmond and I want a GM who is the one who does the fleecing not the other way around.

Second....Considering the Wizards had one more win then the Kings and they had AJ, Gil, CB, BTH and Flip for half a year I believe the Kings will be better sooner then the Wizards since Petrie has built a better foundation then EG has.

That's okay I undestand the Wizards blind follower's philosophy under Abe was never question the organization because they know best and the reason they've sucked the last two years was because of bad luck?

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | May 3, 2010 12:58 PM | Report abuse

Foundation of what? Losing 50+ games for mulitiple seasons (Almost 4 in a row?) Not getting out of the 1st round since 2003? For making a great deal....IN 1998? So 12 years ago? That's what makes him great? You had an obsession about how we should have him...listing all his transactions. When in 4 years...the teams is still CRAP.

What foundation? Tyreke Evans and what? Carl Landry? What has he done? For you to fawn all over him?

It's not a blind follower question so please save that speech. I'm not questioning the Pollins...I'm questioning YOU

Posted by: SDMDTSU | May 3, 2010 4:11 PM | Report abuse

It is amazing which talent of Beasley attract people, He is softy,undersized, not interested to play defene and has off court issues.He is a good shooter but not consistant so far.
what will be the maximum potential we could get out of him in 3 years as a second pick? we have been complaining about AJ for his softness,i will be surprised if Beasley will be 85% of AJ 3 years from now.I will not give any player or 1st round pick for beasley at this time.If he fail to play defense and fail to be agressive in attacking the rim while playing under Pat Raley system what will be our expectation if he comes here?
the only expensive player i will try to bring this season is David Lee.

Posted by: gtefferra | May 3, 2010 4:14 PM | Report abuse

You're not giving Juwan his due, EdDC. It's not his fault Abe paid him and don't forget that Riley thought he was worth every penny of $100mill as well. Sure, was an all-time TERRIBLE move because he was in no way worth that kind of money as it turned out. But it wasnt because he slacked off after getting paid, or was lazy, or a knucklhead, or any of that...he just wasnt that good. Posted by: divi3 | May 3, 2010 4:02 PM |

I can go with that. Juwan was above average, not a franchise guy. No fault of his that the Bullets fell all over themselves trying to get him wheelbarrows-full of money. All he did was take it, and I am sure he said thanks a lot.

I do wonder, though, why a guy's all time best year--by far--was the year before he signed his big deal? He may not have intentionally slacked off. But maybe he just was not as hungry as he was before he signed?

Whose do you think was the all-time worst contract?

Posted by: EdDC | May 3, 2010 4:19 PM | Report abuse

The Wizards need more than luck, they need competence at the top. There are reasons why some teams are consistently good. The "luck" of the lottery got the Spurs Tim Duncan, but they also got Tony Parker with the last pick of the 1st round and Manu Ginobili in the 2nd round. George Hill, 26th pick in the 1st round. The Wizards were not competent enough to draft Duan Blair. Success or failure starts at the top. Spare me the luck argument, basketball requires more than one player. If you can't see that then we will agree to disagree.

Posted by: wbjking | May 3, 2010 4:25 PM | Report abuse

Brian Bosworth, Seattle Seahawks--10 years, $11 million--biggest rookie contract ever given to a player at that time.

Jim McIlvaine, Seattle SuperSonics--7 yrs, $34 million--'Nuff said.

Posted by: gimmedat | May 3, 2010 4:32 PM | Report abuse

SDMDTSU

http://www.nba.com/games/20091216/WASSAC/gameinfo.html#nbaGIboxscore

I would much rather have the Kings players then the players on the Wizards roster going forward.

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | May 3, 2010 4:45 PM | Report abuse

Nope, that doesn't do it, gimmedat.

On Bozworth, how much of his big deal did he actually get to keep? Gil gets to keep almost all of his $111 million (except for the time he sat out this past season).

On McIvane, yes, really a dumb contract. We all knew that having watched McIlvane. But eating $34 million and $111 million are two different things. One guy is a complementary player bust. The other guy, Gil, is a franchise player bust--at least that is how it looks so far.

Posted by: EdDC | May 3, 2010 4:48 PM | Report abuse

Juwan's was one of the two worst contracts of all time for this franchise. But if a guy goes 22.1 ppg on 49 percent shooting and gets 8.1 rebs, you have to think it means some upside. Plus, he really pretended like he wanted to win. I remember one time he cried after a loss. That was brilliant! Compare that to an interesting blog.

Posted by: EdDC

Adam Morrison cried after a loss, too. I'll let that one sink in.

I remember when Gil dropped 60 on the Lakers, I think Kobe cried that night.

Guy averages 30pts and 8 asts at age 25, you have to think he has some upside, too.

So you think the Wiz can absorb $80 million and have enough left to get another franchise player? Even if they can, one of your franchise players can't be less-than-great. In other words, Gil does affect the salary structure. You can't afford him under the salary cap. You can't write off his play and still build a championship team.

It's not "I think they can", they can. They have enough room under the cap this offseason ($23 mil) to sign LeBron, Wade, Bosh, any of the top FAs and have some change left over. The part where they won't be able to has nothing to do with Gil's contract.

And I never said Gil doesn't affect the salary structure, clearly he does. But not to the overwhelming extent that Juwan's did. If it helps, if you adjusted Juwan's contract to today's salary cap levels he would has signed around a $200 million contract and would be making an average of around $30 million a year.

If Gil never comes back and plays for Wiz or any other team on this contract or continues to be a disruptive force, I'll relent. Until then, Juwan is still the champ!


Posted by: ts35 | May 3, 2010 4:54 PM | Report abuse

"It is amazing which talent of Beasley attract people, He is softy,undersized, not interested to play defene and has off court issues.He is a good shooter but not consistant so far.
what will be the maximum potential we could get out of him in 3 years as a second pick? we have been complaining about AJ for his softness,i will be surprised if Beasley will be 85% of AJ 3 years from now.I will not give any player or 1st round pick for beasley at this time.If he fail to play defense and fail to be agressive in attacking the rim while playing under Pat Raley system what will be our expectation if he comes here?
the only expensive player i will try to bring this season is David Lee."
- gtefferra

Beasley actually played pretty well his rookie year when he played more PF, and even showed signs of defensive ability. It was the move to the 3 spot that seemed to slow his growth this year. Of course, there seems to possibly be some other issues, like possibly work ethic. But, as of right now, he's on his rookie contract, and while costing, 4.x mil isn't league minimum, it's not a huge price, and I rather spend it on a third year player with talent than an 8 year journeyman unless he's that one journey man that puts us in the finals (which isn't happening next season). I wouldn't trade our lottery pick for Beasley, but I'd consider one of our later picks. He fills a roster spot and eats up nothing of our future, yet we'd own the rights to another season from him if he shows us something. I look at it similar to Thornton. Good talent, bad mix with their current teams' plans.

Plus Beasley is only 21 and averaging close to 20pt and 8.5 rb per 40 minutes. Again, not for a top 8 pick. But for the 30th pick and nothing else? Come on....

Posted by: segastyle | May 3, 2010 4:56 PM | Report abuse

The "luck" of the lottery got the Spurs Tim Duncan, but they also got Tony Parker with the last pick of the 1st round and Manu Ginobili in the 2nd round. George Hill, 26th pick in the 1st round.

Take Duncan out of the equation and those others guys aren't good enough to get to the playoffs this year, let alone contend for a championship.

The Wizards were not competent enough to draft Duan Blair.

Neither was any of the playoff teams still in contention for the championship outside of the Spurs. The GMs of those teams have to be incompetent by your logic, right? Blair makes a difference on that team because of Duncan. Put him on the Wizards and we're still watching the playoffs on TV.


Spare me the luck argument, basketball requires more than one player. If you can't see that then we will agree to disagree.

If you can't see that it's easier to acquire role players than it is to acquire a special franchise player, then we're both wasting our time.

Posted by: tgif11 | May 3, 2010 4:59 PM | Report abuse

beasley's hairstyles alone are enough to pass on him.

Posted by: divi3 | May 3, 2010 5:01 PM | Report abuse

@EdDC

Btw, in '97/98 Juwan played in 64 games, '98/'99 36 games.

Posted by: ts35 | May 3, 2010 5:03 PM | Report abuse

SDMDTSU

http://www.nba.com/games/20091216/WASSAC/gameinfo.html#nbaGIboxscore

I would much rather have the Kings players then the players on the Wizards roster going forward.

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | May 3, 2010 4:45 PM | Report abuseM

That would be fine...if that was the roster the Wizards have. The Kings have one player that I feel even matters. Casspi is nice. Landry too...and he's been "rebuilding" a 50 loss team for 3 years now...still losing 50 games. So what are you saying?

Posted by: SDMDTSU | May 3, 2010 5:06 PM | Report abuse

"The GMs of those teams have to be incompetent by your logic, right? Blair makes a difference on that team because of Duncan. Put him on the Wizards and we're still watching the playoffs on TV."

I agree with what you are saying about luck...however Blair can flat out play basketball and would be a useful, contributing addition to any team. Also, he had his best games of the season when Duncan sat out. It's not the end of the world EG missed on him, but "would that guy get us to playoffs" is setting a standard that too easily brushes mistakes under the rug imo.

Posted by: divi3 | May 3, 2010 5:08 PM | Report abuse

Pining for the Kings GM while trashing EG is just b78's anti-wiz machine on display...the Kings fricking suck and all they have over us is the one guy EG said he'd have drafted if available.

Posted by: divi3 | May 3, 2010 5:10 PM | Report abuse

Plus Beasley is only 21 and averaging close to 20pt and 8.5 rb per 40 minutes. Again, not for a top 8 pick. But for the 30th pick and nothing else? Come on....

Posted by: segastyle

Where does he play on the Wiz? Also, don't we have enough maturity questions on this team already? Don't we have enough soft players on this team already? It not a question of wasting a pick on him, it's a question of wasting a roster spot on him. If Miami is willing to give up on a guy they drafted 2nd overall two years ago, doesn't that say something?

You know how bad teams continue to stink? By bringing in players with numbers but who don't contribute to winning.

And also, I agree with divi, I can't take the hairstyle. If he were AI in his prime, I'd deal with it. Short of that, not so much.

Posted by: ts35 | May 3, 2010 5:14 PM | Report abuse

I agree with your assessment of Blair, divi3. The kid can play, but I'm not ready to call the Wizards front office "incompetent" for passing on him. He slipped in the draft for medical reasons, nothing else. It will be interesting to see what the shelf life is for a guy with those knees and carrying around that weight.

Posted by: tgif11 | May 3, 2010 5:18 PM | Report abuse

I agree with your assessment of Blair, divi3. The kid can play, but I'm not ready to call the Wizards front office "incompetent" for passing on him. He slipped in the draft for medical reasons, nothing else. It will be interesting to see what the shelf life is for a guy with those knees and carrying around that weight.

Posted by: tgif11

It will be interesting to see if his knees hold up. But for a team that needed size and toughness, a player of Blair's pedigree and ability was available and all that was at stake was a non-guaranteed contract if his knees didn't hold up. It was a small risk, well worth taking. It doesn't make them incompetent per se, but it does make you question EG's vision.

Posted by: ts35 | May 3, 2010 5:24 PM | Report abuse

funny thing about blair is he dominated thabeet in college yet that wasnt enough for GMs to think Thabeet was highly questionable nor that Blair was worth an earlier pick.

Posted by: divi3 | May 3, 2010 5:36 PM | Report abuse

It will be interesting to see if his knees hold up. But for a team that needed size and toughness, a player of Blair's pedigree and ability was available and all that was at stake was a non-guaranteed contract if his knees didn't hold up. It was a small risk, well worth taking. It doesn't make them incompetent per se, but it does make you question EG's vision.

What team doesn't need size and toughness? ;-)
Ts35, you won't catch me making excuses for Grunfeld since I've criticized him plenty this season, but if I'm not mistaken, Blair's contract with the Spurs is guaranteed. Given the state of his knees, and realizing that he has to make as much money as he can now, Blair probably would have played overseas if offered only a non-guaranteed contract.

Posted by: tgif11 | May 3, 2010 5:39 PM | Report abuse

funny thing about blair is he dominated thabeet in college yet that wasnt enough for GMs to think Thabeet was highly questionable nor that Blair was worth an earlier pick.

Posted by: divi3

They definitely should have questioned Thabeet more, but I understand why Blair dropped. Hearing someone doesn't have ACLs is enough to give you pause. Then again, he won't miss time for tearing one! ;-)

Posted by: ts35 | May 3, 2010 5:39 PM | Report abuse

that whole acl thing always puzzled me, never understood how he was playing at all and thought it was an urban myth or something. Maybe Spurs GM was as ill-informed as me and didnt believe it either....uh, doubtful.

Posted by: divi3 | May 3, 2010 5:44 PM | Report abuse

What team doesn't need size and toughness? ;-)
Ts35, you won't catch me making excuses for Grunfeld since I've criticized him plenty this season, but if I'm not mistaken, Blair's contract with the Spurs is guaranteed. Given the state of his knees, and realizing that he has to make as much money as he can now, Blair probably would have played overseas if offered only a non-guaranteed contract.

Posted by: tgif11

Ok, say it is.....so it's a guaranteed $850k this season and like $4mil overall (with team options on the last two years according to hoops hype)....is that breaking the bank? It's half of what we were paying Fab, less than Crit, Boykins, a sixth of what we were paying James....

I don't care what other teams do, except to the extent of capitalizing on other teams' mistakes or missed opportunities.

Posted by: ts35 | May 3, 2010 5:49 PM | Report abuse

Pining for the Kings GM while trashing EG is just b78's anti-wiz machine on display...the Kings fricking suck and all they have over us is the one guy EG said he'd have drafted if available.

Posted by: divi3 | May 3, 2010 5:10 PM | Report abuse

Not true. In addition to Evans, they have Jason Thompson who has HUGE upside as a big man, they got Carl Landry who is a workhorse, they have Casspi, Donte Greene who are all young players with tremendous upside. And not to forget another high pick this upcoming draft. They are light years ahead of us, which, obviously isn't a surprise considering EG has been running the show!
And whomever is saying that the draft is just luck has no idea about basketball and deserve to be a fan of this franchise. The hindsight argument is also comical since one of the GM's main functions is to have foresight. That's why they make the big bucks and that's why EG is considered a poor GM.
And even it were based on luck, wouldn't you want to test that luck instead of trading your top 5 picks because you don't want risk taking the wrong player??

Posted by: Utilityman1 | May 3, 2010 5:51 PM | Report abuse

According to the article I was reading divi, his other collateral ligs, quads and other muscles have adapted to compensate. Obviously he made it through 4 years of college ball. I just don't know if he can hang for 30+ mins a night 82 games a year. Makes my knees hurt, just thinking about it.

Posted by: ts35 | May 3, 2010 5:53 PM | Report abuse

"all young players with tremendous upside."

uh, says who? Those guys have had some nice games and show promise...but so do young players around the league, yes even a few here. The Kings lost 57 games this year, they're in no better position than us aside from having drafted Evans....through being worse than us last year.


Posted by: divi3 | May 3, 2010 5:59 PM | Report abuse

Not true. In addition to Evans, they have Jason Thompson who has HUGE upside as a big man, they got Carl Landry who is a workhorse, they have Casspi, Donte Greene who are all young players with tremendous upside. And not to forget another high pick this upcoming draft. They are light years ahead of us, which, obviously isn't a surprise considering EG has been running the show!
And whomever is saying that the draft is just luck has no idea about basketball and deserve to be a fan of this franchise. The hindsight argument is also comical since one of the GM's main functions is to have foresight. That's why they make the big bucks and that's why EG is considered a poor GM.
And even it were based on luck, wouldn't you want to test that luck instead of trading your top 5 picks because you don't want risk taking the wrong player??

Posted by: Utilityman1

I like Thompson, but he is essentially the same as AB in that he has shown flashes but lacks consistency.

Casspi = Thornton
Greene = Young (both scouting reports read relentless gunner who need work in other areas)
Landry = Singelton
And even if you like Landry more than Singleton, I won't argue, but most people would rate McGee with more upside than Spencer Hawes.

Posted by: ts35 | May 3, 2010 6:02 PM | Report abuse

And whomever is saying that the draft is just luck has no idea about basketball and deserve to be a fan of this franchise.

Looks like you're the only saying that the draft is "just" luck and then arguing against that position. Feel free to continue doing so until you come up with a cogent point.

Posted by: tgif11 | May 3, 2010 6:09 PM | Report abuse

...only one saying...

Posted by: tgif11 | May 3, 2010 6:10 PM | Report abuse

ts35 says: "They have enough room under the cap this offseason ($23 mil) to sign LeBron, Wade, Bosh, any of the top FAs and have some change left over. The part where they won't be able to has nothing to do with Gil's contract."

In response, those kinds of guys will want to play for winners. I can see two of those guys wanting to play together. It could happen! But with Gil eating up salary cap space, you can't have two. You can't even get one.

I can't see any one of those guys wanting to play with Gil. Again, you don't throw away franchise money on somebody like Gil and think that the consequences are not huge. They are huge. You don't recover easily. It could take years.

If a team wants to win it all, and it can afford under the salary cap to have two franchise level players, they must have both of those franchise guys as great players, not just Gil and a superstar. One great and one better-than-average is not good enough. That will not get you far enough.

Moreover, a great one will not want to be added to a franchise that has built itself around Gil. It is delusional to think otherwise.

When you throw franchise-level money away on a non-franchise type of player (like Gil), you throw away a chance to win it all.


Posted by: EdDC | May 3, 2010 6:15 PM | Report abuse

Again, you don't throw away franchise money on somebody like Gil and think that the consequences are not huge. They are huge. You don't recover easily. It could take years.

Which is also exactly why you don't throw twice that much money at Juwan. For every part of your argument, just substitute Juwan where you said Gil. It will save me typing it. =)

Posted by: ts35 | May 3, 2010 6:20 PM | Report abuse

@Utilityman1,

The definition of foresight is trading for three guys who had never been all stars and then, with your very own eyes, watching them become just that. That is foresight and our Ernest Grunfeld has it in spades!
Btw, I never saw where Ernest said he traded the fifth pick because he was scared of drafting the wrong player. Now that's just something you made up, isn't it?

Posted by: melodious_thunk | May 3, 2010 6:30 PM | Report abuse

The definition of foresight is trading for three guys who had never been all stars and then, with your very own eyes, watching them become just that. That is foresight and our Ernest Grunfeld has it in spades!
Btw, I never saw where Ernest said he traded the fifth pick because he was scared of drafting the wrong player. Now that's just something you made up, isn't it?

Posted by: melodious_thunk | May 3, 2010 6:30 PM | Report abuse

Of course he didn't say it! Actually,he hardly says anything to remotely try to justify his poor vision. He never said anything about passing on Curry and Jennings (and Lawson, and Collison, and Blair....) for...cuspp...Foye/MM. He never said anything when he signed one of the worst defenders in the league to a $111/6 years contract, which will be handicapping this franchise for 4 more years! (and I won't go into the fact that he was the master enabler letting him act however he wants, which indirectly and ultimately led to the embarrassments this franchise suffered this year). He never said anything about giving Jamison a $60 million contract? He never said anything when he "forgot" to sign Gee. He never said anything to justify 2 consecutive 55-loss seasons. He never said anything about this team being the butt of jokes around the league. He never said anything to explay why he was so infatuated with tweeners that can't define defense and toughness. He never said anything about this team pretty much sucking for the next 4 years (minimum, in addition to the last 2). He never said anything about trading a 1st pick for.....Crittendon.... And I can go on and on and on...

Posted by: Utilityman1 | May 3, 2010 7:05 PM | Report abuse

Pretty sure he had a bunch of press conferences after those events....musta been really boring if he just sat there and didn't say anything.

Posted by: ts35 | May 3, 2010 7:15 PM | Report abuse

"He never said anything about this team pretty much sucking for the next 4 years (minimum, in addition to the last 2)."

And why is that? The team has huge CAP flexibility and could get lucky in the lotto this year. Dont let EG hatred cloud the actual situation the team is in.

Posted by: divi3 | May 3, 2010 7:22 PM | Report abuse

I believe he said

- On trading the #5 that he didn't think there were players after Evans that would help his veteran team as much as Foye and Miller. He was wrong but he said it. (No one would have drafted Lawson or Collison at #5).

- He has said repeatedly that he wanted to give the team that had the best record in the league before Gil got hurt a chance to try it again. Hence the Gil and AJ resignings. He was delusional but he said it.

- And just to be clear, the #1 that was traded *back* to Memphis, was lottery protected out the ying yang, to the point where we might never have seen it anyway. Btw, that was the same 20 yr old Critt that was the #19 pick in the draft the year before. He did say that, but don't let facts interrupt your flow.

- And as to the consecutive 55 loss seasons and being the butt of jokes, I believe he said sayonara to AJ and CB and BTH.

He also originally said hello to Gil, AJ, and CB which got us back into the playoffs at least for four straight years.

It ended up not working ultimately, but when you go back and look at where we were before that?

In the end, EG may have said his piece here. We are going to have to do well in the draft going forward, and that has not been his strength. But at least give the man his due.

Posted by: ts35 | May 3, 2010 7:34 PM | Report abuse

Not true. In addition to Evans, they have Jason Thompson who has HUGE upside as a big man, they got Carl Landry who is a workhorse, they have Casspi, Donte Greene who are all young players with tremendous upside. And not to forget another high pick this upcoming draft. They are light years ahead of us, which, obviously isn't a surprise considering EG has been running the show!
And whomever is saying that the draft is just luck has no idea about basketball and deserve to be a fan of this franchise. The hindsight argument is also comical since one of the GM's main functions is to have foresight. That's why they make the big bucks and that's why EG is considered a poor GM.
And even it were based on luck, wouldn't you want to test that luck instead of trading your top 5 picks because you don't want risk taking the wrong player??

Posted by: Utilityman1 | May 3, 2010 5:51 PM | Report abuse

First. Light years ahead? False. There basically a 4 year 50 loss team. So shouldn't they have 3 great players? How do they have 1?

Petrie took Quincy Douby over Rondo...yeah but youre on EG's back? And Petrie is great? Another GUARD over Rondo?

4 straight horrible seasons and the best player they've drafted is Evans....yeah way to lay a foundation. The players you listed are all marginal players and NONE are difference makers.

Show me where EG is considered a bad GM...from someone whose opinions is regarded (i.e. NOT posting on this board)

Geez...Petrie has gotten his team out of the 2nd round ONCE IN 15 YEARS.

Talk about aiming low.

Posted by: SDMDTSU | May 3, 2010 7:36 PM | Report abuse

If Gil never comes back and plays for Wiz or any other team on this contract or continues to be a disruptive force, I'll relent. Until then, Juwan is still the champ! Posted by: ts35 | May 3, 2010 4:54 PM |

OK, I see. If Gil never plays again, then he is worse than Juwan--because he gets $111 million for doing absolutely nothing. Otherwise Gil is better for the Wiz than Juwan was for the Bullets. By that lowest of all standards, you win!

Fact is, they are both big disasters. I always have thought Juwan's contract was a huge disaster--especially the rookie contract, where the Bullets gave him an out after two years in order to save $2 million. The huge contract would never have been needed if the Bullets had not been so penny-wise and pound-foolish.

Here is another disaster for you. The Bullets traded a #1 pick for Mark Price, who was old, had bad feet and had nothing left. The Bullets could have had Kobe with the pick they gave up. That one could even be worse than the Gil disaster.

Posted by: EdDC | May 3, 2010 7:37 PM | Report abuse

Btw, that was also a #1 pick that EG acquired in the first place for the right to JCN, who isn't in the NBA anymore....but Utilityman1 didn't say that.

"-The Wizards receive a top-19 protected first round pick in 2008, a top-16 protected pick in 2009, a top-14 (lottery) protected pick from 2010-2012, a top-12 protected pick in 2013 or a second-round pick and cash considerations if they have not received a pick by 2013."

Here in 2010 we still wouldn't have been able to use that pick.

Posted by: ts35 | May 3, 2010 7:43 PM | Report abuse

First. Light years ahead? False. There basically a 4 year 50 loss team. So shouldn't they have 3 great players? How do they have 1?

Petrie took Quincy Douby over Rondo...yeah but youre on EG's back? And Petrie is great? Another GUARD over Rondo?

4 straight horrible seasons and the best player they've drafted is Evans....yeah way to lay a foundation. The players you listed are all marginal players and NONE are difference makers.

Show me where EG is considered a bad GM...from someone whose opinions is regarded (i.e. NOT posting on this board)

Geez...Petrie has gotten his team out of the 2nd round ONCE IN 15 YEARS.

Talk about aiming low.

Posted by: SDMDTSU | May 3, 2010 7:36 PM | Report abuse

I am not going to comment on Petrie's competence or lack thereof compared to Ernie. Quite frankly, they have both done a poor job and the comparisons didn't come from me. My point is that looking at both rosters, the Kings seem to be way ahead in their rebuilding compared to the Wiz. If you believe otherwise, it only means that we have differing opinions.
As for EG, I don't have any problem against the man but the fact of the matter, he has failed miserably the past 2 years and the team needs new leadership to influence them both on and off the court. He may have had some sporadic success getting the team to the playoffs (which shouldn't necessarily be a cause for jubilation unless your standards are that low) but that was 3 years ago. Even Jordan had success with this team but it was time for him to go and he was justifiably let go. This is similar, the team needs fresh blood! I am not sure what's so hard to comprehend!

Posted by: Utilityman1 | May 3, 2010 7:51 PM | Report abuse

As for EG, I don't have any problem against the man but the fact of the matter, he has failed miserably the past 2 years and the team needs new leadership to influence them both on and off the court. He may have had some sporadic success getting the team to the playoffs (which shouldn't necessarily be a cause for jubilation unless your standards are that low) but that was 3 years ago. Even Jordan had success with this team but it was time for him to go and he was justifiably let go. This is similar, the team needs fresh blood! I am not sure what's so hard to comprehend!

Well I think you're delusional to think the Kings roster is LIGHT YEARS ahead of the Wizards.

I don't. They have 2 first rounders, 2 seconds (I think) and cap room. With Blatche who showed some promise and Gil the wildcard.

Posted by: SDMDTSU | May 3, 2010 8:00 PM | Report abuse

OK, I see. If Gil never plays again, then he is worse than Juwan--because he gets $111 million for doing absolutely nothing. Otherwise Gil is better for the Wiz than Juwan was for the Bullets. By that lowest of all standards, you win!
Posted by: EdDC

As long as we agree that I win ;-)

Price for a #1 (who played like 7 games for the Wiz) was bad, but Googs + 3 #1 picks for C-Webb and C-Webb for Mitch Richmond and Otis Thorpe were worse.

You know why they traded the #1 for Mark Price? Because they needed a PG AND HAD NO CAP SPACE =)

Those 3 picks they traded for C-Webb?

1996 - #11 (I guess they had 2?)
Kobe, Steve Nash, Peja, Jermaine O'Neal

1998 - #5
Vinsanity, Dirk, Paul Pierce,

2000 - #7
(Wow, this was a crap draft, no one significant was drafted in the first except for K-Mart #1)

Posted by: ts35 | May 3, 2010 8:06 PM | Report abuse

First off, get a professional medical staff in place. Second, get a professional scout staff in place. Third, make sure the GM actually has a plan that is both shared with and accepted by the coaching staff.

None of these three things has been in place to date.

Posted by: ndickover | May 3, 2010 8:10 PM | Report abuse

Update:

The second #1 in '96 came from the trade to get Scott Skiles:

"The Magic traded #11 pick and Scott Skiles to the Bullets for #42 pick on July 29, 1994."

The Magic musta hated Skiles =)

Also, the 1998 pick was #13 not #5, so they missed out on Vince, Dirk and Pierce. The only player for note they missed out on was Rashard Lewis (2nd round)

Posted by: ts35 | May 3, 2010 8:16 PM | Report abuse

I don't. They have 2 first rounders, 2 seconds (I think) and cap room. With Blatche who showed some promise and Gil the wildcard.

Posted by: SDMDTSU | May 3, 2010 8:00 PM | Report abuse

Your post says it all! You are looking as Gil as a wild card while a wise mind would look at him as someone who will be clogging up 35% of cap space the next 4 years.

Posted by: Utilityman1 | May 3, 2010 8:41 PM | Report abuse

"Yes, that's another strike against Ernie. Eddie Jordan was a decent coach, not a great one. Taps was not a legit NBA coach. So why fire Eddie and pay him all that money just to make a change?"

That one is mostly on Abe as far as I'm concerned. He screwed up by hiring a coach before hiring a GM, creating an ongoing power struggle/pissing match for control of the team that set the stage for all of the backbiting and undermining that followed.

There were legit reasons to fire Jordan (he'd pretty much taken the team as far as he was going to) but because Jordan was Abe's guy, Grunfeld couldn't get rid of him when he wanted to. Grunfeld was forced to sign him to an extension and then exercise the option year after Jordan got an undermanned injury decimated team into the playoffs when everybody said they had no shot. The 1-11 (or whatever it was) start gave him an excuse to can Jordan that even Abe couldn't disagree with, but the damage was already done by then.

Posted by: kalo_rama | May 3, 2010 8:53 PM | Report abuse

Your post says it all! You are looking as Gil as a wild card while a wise mind would look at him as someone who will be clogging up 35% of cap space the next 4 years.

Posted by: Utilityman1 | May 3, 2010 8:41 PM | Report abuse

Sure. Gil's a wildcard because he's on the roster no matter what. Not because I expect anything out of him...and clearly you DON'T know what you're getting with him.

Take two shots of clorox dude.

Posted by: SDMDTSU | May 3, 2010 9:23 PM | Report abuse

#1 I know it won't happen, but I would love to see a return to The Washington Bullets.

I don't think ANY fan does not want this. Look, you don't have to associate Bullets with a bad connotation... for example, cops save lives with bullets, and soldiers are stopping terrorists and providing a safer and free world with bullets. Look you want a team name that envokes visions of speed and power, and what does that better than bullets. I mean should the Chicago Bears change their name because people have been mauled to death by bears? Should the NY Jets change their name because people have died in plane crashes, or because a Jet flew into the World Trade Center in NY of all places? Or maybe the Lakers should change their name because people have drowned in Lakes?

Actually, I think a great name for this team would be The Washington Daggers!

Also just to point out Bullets has nothing to do with the whole Gilbert controversy in case you want to use that incident as a reason for not changing the name back. Gil's guns were unloaded... his charges had absolutely nothing to do with bullets.

The Washington Bullets.

Please give us back our team.

Posted by: Darnell1 | May 3, 2010 9:25 PM | Report abuse

Most teams have at least six scouts, the Wizards have two. Even a crumby organization like the Clippers has an international scout. Leonsis needs someone that can completely rebuild the organization. Maybe Grunfeld has that skill set. I kind of doubt it, but he's done a pretty good job with the resources given. And having a D-League team in North Dakota doesn't help either, unless the Wizards get a Cisco sponsorship out of it.

Posted by: djnnnou | May 3, 2010 9:51 PM | Report abuse

No, I do not consider every other team that passed on Blair to be incompetent. I don't need you putting words in my mouth. We were discussing the Wizards, there is a pattern of incompetence with the Wizards. Under Ernie Grunfeld they haven't produced one starter from the 1st round of the draft. Role players are easy to acquire you say; you mean guys like O. Pecherov, D. McGuire? They passed up R. Rondo & M. Gasol. You clearly have no appreciation for management or scouting, and being able to get value for your draft picks. It isn't easy to find complimentary players. Basketball is a 5 on 5 game, Duncan is great, but the Spurs don't have champioships without Parker and Ginobili. So let's just all wait for divine intervention like you and hope for the best!

Posted by: wbjking | May 4, 2010 11:02 AM | Report abuse

If you want to rename the Wizards, please sign the petition at http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/wizards/

The petition is in support of renaming the team, and it does not advocate any particular name. Ted Leonsis is famous for listening to the fans so express your opinion and please spread the word!

Posted by: emmet1 | May 4, 2010 5:01 PM | Report abuse

"Where does he play on the Wiz?" - ts35

I think he fits in the rotation at forward, playing both power and small. Right now all we have there for bodies is Blatche and Thornton.

"Also, don't we have enough maturity questions on this team already?"

We have a young team now, but I'm pretty sure that Beasley hasn't been a problem player. The Heat just want him to give more effort (in their words).

"Don't we have enough soft players on this team already?"

He's not a pounder, no, but he's a scorer and an excellent rebounder.

"It not a question of wasting a pick on him, it's a question of wasting a roster spot on him."

As of right now, we have 6 players under contract. If we bring back Howard, Foye, and Livingston, that's 9. If we use only two of our draft picks, that's 11. We got 4 more spots. You'd rather use them on a 2-3 year contract for a 30 year old who's not going to grow or make the team any better? We have roster spots to spare.

"If Miami is willing to give up on a guy they drafted 2nd overall two years ago, doesn't that say something?"

Yeah, it says that Miami is impatient and wants a quick fix because they already have one of the 10 best players in the league. They want to bring in a few more, and need the money Beasley takes up to do so. WE are now young team, with only one player who has real mileage, Arenas. We can afford to take what is essentially a flyer on a player. Sort of like we did with Livingston and Thornton, both who have at least looked like solid contributors.

"You know how bad teams continue to stink? By bringing in players with numbers but who don't contribute to winning."

Dude, the entire OKL team was made up of those players until this season, it's called being young in the league.

Anyhow, if we draft a PF or SF, then taking on Beasley makes less sense, but still wouldn't be a bad thing. If we draft a PG, SG, or C, we should totally take a look at him if it doesn't cost us anything more than one of our exceptions and a late draft pick.

Posted by: segastyle | May 4, 2010 6:56 PM | Report abuse

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