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Obama on Wizards winning the lottery

Barack Obama is an unabashed Chicago Bulls fan, so much so that he probably infuriated a good percentage of Eastern Ohio when he made a pitch to get LeBron James in a Bulls uniform during an interview with TNT's Marv Albert. Saying that he "doesn't want to meddle," Obama added that "could see LeBron fitting in pretty well" with Derrick Rose and Joakim Noah.


I heard you guys have some cap space. (Photo by Ned Dishman/NBAE for Getty Images)

But during the same interview, Obama was also asked about his current hometown team, the Wizards, and offered his thoughts on the team landing the No. 1 overall pick, which presumably will be Kentucky freshman John Wall.

"Wall is a terrific player," Obama said. "He's got NBA speed, NBA body, great jump shot, unselfish, really impressive. There's only upside for that kid. And I think it'd be great for him to come to Washington."

While in Obama's backyard last week, Wall said would love to play for the Wizards, mostly because of who could be in the crowd. "That'll be big-time, seeing President Barack Obama sitting courtside," Wall said with a smile.

So far, Obama has only been to one game at Verizon Center since stepping into office - a Wizards win over his Bulls on Feb. 27, 2009. He has, however, welcomed several teams to 1600 Pennsylvania, including the Bulls, the champion Los Angeles Lakers, the Milwaukee Bucks and the Atlanta Hawks.

Wall mentioned that he had a chance to speak with Obama before Kentucky lost its first game of season against South Carolina. He told Marc J. Spears of Yahoo! Sports that Obama was his "homeboy" and added that "he tried not to jinx us, but I think he did a little bit."

During his phone call with Obama, Wall suggested playing a game of H-O-R-S-E with the President. Obama declined. "I'm not going to play horse with you, because I don't want to lose," Obama said, "and then you'll have bragging rights for a long time."

Maybe Wall will at least be able to convince Obama to see the Wizards again.

In his interview with Albert, Obama also spoke highly of late Wizards owner Abe Pollin. "I became very close to Abe Pollin, who was a great supporter, he and his wife. He just passed away recently, but there's an example of a guy who constantly gave back to his community. I mean, almost single-handedly, he invested in downtown Washington at a time when it was in really bad shape, and you know, generated huge affection in this city and it was wonderful to see his widow there getting that number one pick. I only wish the best for that franchise."

By Michael Lee  |  May 25, 2010; 9:35 PM ET
 
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Comments

Yay!

Now, go back and plug that hole in the Gulf!!!

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | May 25, 2010 9:44 PM | Report abuse

Barno thinks POTUS is racist for holding poetry readings at the White House.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-5009017-503544.html

Who knows, maybe Etan Thomas showed up.

Posted by: elfreako | May 25, 2010 10:22 PM | Report abuse

You know he is not going to miss that Rose/Wall matchup especially if Lebron goes to the Chi then I don't see him missing any Bulls game in Washington.

Posted by: ATLredskin | May 25, 2010 10:49 PM | Report abuse

Get the NBA package like everyone else and the POTUS will never miss a game, even in times of crisis! Now that would be a great commercial!

Posted by: JohnWWW | May 25, 2010 11:13 PM | Report abuse

gotta love how long Gentry rides the bench, seems more coaches should do the same rather than stopping your own run

Posted by: divi3 | May 25, 2010 11:17 PM | Report abuse

And to be accurate I have never said that Gil couldn't help a team win games, just that I believe that it's much more likely that in the playoffs, in a series, in pursuit of a championship, his liabilities would outweigh any benefits he might offer. In much the same way that we saw Jamison be exploited by the Celts.

Posted by: ts35 | May 26, 2010 2:06 AM

When has Gil's liabilities been exploited in the playoffs when he was healthy? Sure he missed 2 free throws at the end of the Cleveland series, but he was averaging 30+ points and those games went down to the wire and the better team did not win. Or do you mean Chicago the year before? Or Miami the year before when they lost to the Heat? The closest you can come is the Miami series.

If you mean now, after the surgeries and time off due to injuries and suspension, maybe, but don't act like Gil was being exposed in the playoffs when actually he was highly effective. That first Cleveland series, he was pretty much going tit-for-tat with LeBron but LeBron would go baseline on Jamison while travelling and .... but you can put it all on Gilbert if you want to.

Posted by: G-Man11 | May 26, 2010 8:02 AM | Report abuse

Gil's nothing special on offense or defense.

He shoots the ball a lot (with a very poor field goal percentage), has an awful shot selection, and is extremely turnover prone. He's gotta have the worst assist to turnoer ratio of any "all star" PG in recent history. In short, he's a junk baller. David Stern had to pull some strings to get him into the all star game for Pete's sake.

Defensively, he offers the resistance of your average turnstile. He's nothing special and, if not for his contract, would be an afterthought on this roster. He's yesterday's news. Can we move on please??

Posted by: bobabuie | May 26, 2010 9:00 AM | Report abuse

And to be accurate I have never said that Gil couldn't help a team win games, just that I believe that it's much more likely that in the playoffs, in a series, in pursuit of a championship, his liabilities would outweigh any benefits he might offer. In much the same way that we saw Jamison be exploited by the Celts.

Posted by: ts35

I think there is a difference there. If you have a dynamic offensive player at a guard position and he is a bad defender, as long as he is the only bad defender in that rotation you could bandade that weakness. Teams like the Reggie Miller lead Pacers being a good example. Now when you have forwards and centers that are horrible defenders thats a problem. There is no recovery or help when penetration happens, the pick and roll switching will hurt you. Or just being dominated by a good PF like KG.

Thats one of the things I thought we never got here.

Posted by: millineumman | May 26, 2010 7:30 AM

Posted by: millineumman | May 26, 2010 9:10 AM | Report abuse

"And to be accurate I have never said that Gil couldn't help a team win games, just that I believe that it's much more likely that in the playoffs, in a series, in pursuit of a championship, his liabilities would outweigh any benefits he might offer. In much the same way that we saw Jamison be exploited by the Celts."

So basically what you're saying is that his liabilities will hinder his team's chances of winning more than his benefits will help their chances of winning. Which, of course, means that the net result of the equation would be that he's not helping his team win games.

Posted by: kalo_rama | May 26, 2010 9:26 AM | Report abuse

"I think there is a difference there. If you have a dynamic offensive player at a guard position and he is a bad defender, as long as he is the only bad defender in that rotation you could bandade that weakness. Teams like the Reggie Miller lead Pacers being a good example."posted by millineumman

I think that's a good point about context. A dynamic scorer on a good defensive club isn't much of a liability, even if he doesn't play much defense.

You could argue (as scorers often do) that there's only so much energy available during the course of a game, and if you're going to carry your team's scoring burden, you need to conserve some of it for offense. That's why one classic tactic is to make the other team's best scorer work hard on defense. The idea is to tire him out.


Posted by: Samson151 | May 26, 2010 10:26 AM | Report abuse

"Gil's nothing special on offense or defense.He shoots the ball a lot (with a very poor field goal percentage), has an awful shot selection, and is extremely turnover prone. He's gotta have the worst assist to turnoer ratio of any "all star" PG in recent history. In short, he's a junk baller. David Stern had to pull some strings to get him into the all star game for Pete's sake.Defensively, he offers the resistance of your average turnstile. He's nothing special and, if not for his contract, would be an afterthought on this roster. He's yesterday's news. Can we move on please??" Posted by: bobabuie

In other words, "Hey you guys, I want to have the last word so don't argue with this rant no matter how dumb it sounds, OK?"


Posted by: Samson151 | May 26, 2010 10:29 AM | Report abuse

In much the same way that we saw Jamison be exploited by the Celts.

Posted by: ts35 | May 26, 2010 2:06 AM

Having Jamison, who we know is weak man up player, guard Garnett is a coaching 'snafu. Is why I questioned why Mike Brown would do that. Putting Shaq on Garnett would have been better in crunch time in the paint.

Also, no guard except for the very good ones like Kobe can guard any of the best guards in the league. The rules have been tweaked such that is damn near impossible to guard any good offensive player out on the floor.

So you people that keep saying Gilbert can't guard anyone are just half full.

Look at the playoffs now and tell me how many guards are being stopped out on the floor?

None of them. The game has been facilitated so that you can't keep your man in front of you by grabbing and holding. You have to depend on positioning and help and all good NBA guards and wing players can move freely about the court with the current NBA rules.

Look at the game people and stop shatten on Gilbert 'cause it seems in vogue.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | May 26, 2010 10:41 AM | Report abuse

Look. I hope Gil is here.
Everyone speaking on his state of mind, you can't right now. He's hit rock bottom. It's almost impossible he comes back the same after that. I'd like to see if he comes back as that hungry Gil again. Without the playmaking burden. He's a scorer. Let him do that. I think it's better to have him on 2 guards anyway. PGs breaking down the defense and getting in the lane for drop offs and kickouts was the biggest defensive issue. I can deal with someone shooting over him. He has enough bulk to play the 2 on defense.

For those who DON'T remember...Gil was playing well before he got suspended. Check his December numbers against Mr. Wade in Miami. He was showing improvement for someone who hadn't played in 2 years. I thought he was adjusting well.

Maybe it's just me.

Posted by: SDMDTSU | May 26, 2010 10:42 AM | Report abuse

Every metric out there shows that Gil (when he was healthy) outplayed his counterpart consistently and was an on court asset to the team. There's really no viable argument about that. Revisionists and detractors throw stuff out there that just isnt true. Talk about his behavior all you want but the bottom line is that the guy was a very good, borderline great player. He shot a lot because the coach asked him to. His defense sucked but I think Jamison's was worse. CB's was about equal to Gil's.

Numbers don't tell the whole story but they don't lie, either. There are websites out there that offer proof.

Posted by: original_mark | May 26, 2010 10:43 AM | Report abuse

The Detroit Bad Boys are over and lone gone and playing defense like most of you think it ought to be played are over. Individual defense is an anomaly now.

As I keep sayin' on this board over and over and Doc Rivers just reiterated it in game three. It isn't about individual defense, it will get you beat everytime, IT IS ALL ABOUT TEAM DEFENSE...TEAM DEFENSE PEOPLE.

For all you folks that keep villifying individual play like some coaches are still doing (Flip Saunders), you are kind of STUCK IN THE PAST. Winning in todays NBA is all about TEAM DEFENSE.

Five players playing a team concept together and if you happen to have a great defender that is just icing on the cake.

Bynum was scolded last night by Phil Jackson for making an swipe at an defensive player instead of moving to a better defensive position.

It is all about team play and not so much individual and many of you and some coaches are still erroneously evaluating defense in today's NBA.

And what was it the most important factor that got Phoenix now tied with the Lakers in this series.

THE ZONE DEFENSE. FIVE PLAYERS PLAYING A TEAM CONCEPT...and it has so far stymied the Lakers.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | May 26, 2010 11:06 AM | Report abuse

In other words, "Hey you guys, I want to have the last word so don't argue with this rant no matter how dumb it sounds, OK?" Posted by: Samson151


Ok, genius.

Gil's a volume shooter who connects about 42% of the time. Is that special? He is routinely beaten by his man and is an awful one-on-one defender. Or is he a great defender who's misunderstood in your view? His career assist-to-turnover ratio is under WELL under 2:1. Or is he just a victim of bad luck? Is his vision so good that his teammates can't handle his laser-precise passes? Or is he just a quirky guy who likes keeping the opponent in the game?

Don't focus on the commercials. Open your eyes and look at his body of work on the court. Gil is nothing special offensively or defensively. If you disagree, provide some facts to support your position. Otherwise, sit down, stifle yourself and get back to filling out your fantasy league roster.

Posted by: bobabuie | May 26, 2010 11:09 AM | Report abuse

Gil single handedly resurrected and re-buried the Wizards. You can pretend all you like that he wasn't that bad on defense,...one of the worst I have seen in terms of effort. That guy would exclusively watch the ball/lanes while his man would just float away. Anyone could see he could not care less about defense…even when he had the physical tools to be a good defender.

You can continue to make statistical cases for him being a viable contributor but none of you knows his mental state. Folks keep saying he has hit bottom and will surely change his ways...as if this was some typical person being spoken of. Gilbert is known to be unbalanced and a poor decision maker....but now he is going to focused and professional and ok with playing 2nd fiddle to Wall? Really? Why? He is going to get paid no matter what. I am not sure Gil himself even wants to be here anymore.

I would like him out the door, I don’t believe he is going to magically become a mature, selfless leader and we don’t need the sideshow distractions. I don’t care if we could win 5 more games with him; I look forward to a 2nd lottery run next year and a 2-3 year re-build overall…time for a fresh start.

Posted by: The_Shadow_Knows | May 26, 2010 11:20 AM | Report abuse

Or is he just a quirky guy who likes keeping the opponent in the game?

Posted by: bobabuie | May 26, 2010 11:09 AM | Report abuse

Nailed it. This is the truth nobody ever speaks about concerning Gilbert and reflects the way his screwy brain works.

Posted by: The_Shadow_Knows | May 26, 2010 11:28 AM | Report abuse

If you watch the Celtics play defense you'll a lot of individual effort within a team context. It's that effort I think has always been missing from Gilbert on the defensive end. You can't play good team defense if you've got weak links, and our weakest links have always been on the perimeter-- closing out on three-point shooters and putting pressure on the ball handlers out front.

Posted by: zinger1 | May 26, 2010 11:31 AM | Report abuse

Then that effort was there by the Wizards when Gilbert was out because of injury? I didn't see no improvement on the defensive side during that time.

Posted by: G-Man11 | May 26, 2010 11:39 AM | Report abuse

Gil is a shooting guard who was playing the point. If you look at point guards who score a lot of points, the majority of them have shooting % close to Gil's.

In their heyday...Steve Francis, Allen Iverson had similar numbers.

Pure pg's like Isiah Thomas had high turnovers, too. Of course, he was getting 9 and 10 assists but still 4 TO's.

As for the shooting %, Gil has averaged almost 6 three point shots per game over his career. Zeke is at 1.4, DWade is at 1.8.

That drives the shooting % down some. He shot those because we needed him to shoot them. It's not like he was just coming down
and pulling up because he wanted to do so against coaches orders. We had no inside offensive game so we needed to pull the defense out to give AJ room to work down low.

Look, Gil isnt the greatest player ever but he's certainly not the scrub he's being made out to be. Relieved of solo ball handling responsibilities, he may actually be as good as before.

Posted by: original_mark | May 26, 2010 11:40 AM | Report abuse

There is no question about the vcolume of shooting but he did good with this club until he get injured.right now he has to go for multiple reasons.He is no more agent 0,we do not need him period.

Posted by: gtefferra | May 26, 2010 11:48 AM | Report abuse

Steve Nash cant guard anyone and never has, nobody complains about that (and i'm not saying they should).

Arenas as a defender really isnt the issue....the issue is, Arenas as a secondary or even third option. He's never produced without volume, because he's always had volume and was expected to be team's major force on court.

There's no way to assume that he can thrive in a new role that no one has seen him play before.

Posted by: divi3 | May 26, 2010 12:06 PM | Report abuse

gil's per for the year....and dont forget this is the first time he has played in years...which means he was only improving as he got his conditioning and mental back...but his per was higher than d rose, and paul pierce...so everyone please shuttup about how gil isn't good

Posted by: jasonma1 | May 26, 2010 12:07 PM | Report abuse

i meant PER ^^^

Posted by: jasonma1 | May 26, 2010 12:09 PM | Report abuse

Can Gil be content with 12 shots a night instead of 19? Can he settle into role of midrange assassin? Not take six 3s per game? Not dribble 17secs off the shot clock watching his teammates run around?

Those are my questions about Gil, and I think we'll find out because nobody is picking up his $60mill contract

Posted by: divi3 | May 26, 2010 12:13 PM | Report abuse

gil's per for the year....and dont forget this is the first time he has played in years...which means he was only improving as he got his conditioning and mental back...but his per was higher than d rose, and paul pierce...so everyone please shuttup about how gil isn't good

Posted by: jasonma1 | May 26, 2010 12:07 PM

PER? I think I'll go with something less esoteric like FG%, A:T ratio, etc.
Arenas is good, but he's not special as some seem to argue. I'll go out on a limb-I bet you won't find any GMs who would take Arenas and his PER over Pierce or Rose.

Posted by: Firuz1 | May 26, 2010 12:21 PM | Report abuse

i agree no one would take arenas over pierce or rose...that wasn't my point...also the nature of PER is to combine many factors which include your stats and many more, to give us one number...and its not even a stat that i agree much with...the reason in bringin it up is that gilbert is a good player...lets not get it twisted...coming off a two year layoff and then getting 23 and 7 when ur clearly still not there mentally shows a lot of ability...and i'm not a gil apologist or saying that we cant trade him at all...just saying we dont need to rush to get rid of him for nothing...

Posted by: jasonma1 | May 26, 2010 12:24 PM | Report abuse

I bet you won't find any GMs who would take Arenas and his PER over Pierce or Rose.

Posted by: Firuz1

What had Pierce done before KG joined the Celtics that made that statement an absolute? Or are you only basing your opinion on Gil post injury and suspension?

Why are people acting like Gilbert doesn't even belong in the league?

What really is going on is a lot of people wish Gilbert had gotten locked up and the key thrown away, but since rational minds prevailed, they make it seem like he is Al Capone (thug), John Hinkley (crazy), or Dee Brown (basketball player who doesn't even belong in the NBA).

Posted by: G-Man11 | May 26, 2010 12:48 PM | Report abuse

thats cause most of the people making these statements are just fans and not really students of the game or really knowledgeable about basketball...fans are impulsive by nature...if gil comes back and plays well with wall these will be the same people to proclaim gilbert as the savior...gilbert is a very good basketball player...tell me lebron couldnt have rather used gilbert than mo williams in the playoffs, or kobe cant use gilbert rather than d fisher....does he have his deficiencies...sure...but so does lebron and every other player not named kobe

Posted by: jasonma1 | May 26, 2010 1:00 PM | Report abuse

could a student of the game please tell me why they expect Gil to happily take a backseat to Wall (and quite possibly Blatche) on the offensive end?

I'd love to see it happen, but don't believe there is any reason to assume it will

Posted by: divi3 | May 26, 2010 1:17 PM | Report abuse

""What had Pierce done before KG joined the Celtics that made that statement an absolute?""

Actually, the question in my mind was "What has he done since getting KG?". My earlier statement was in response to the comment about Arenas' PER allegedly being higher than that of Rose and Pierce this season. Pierce has shown himself to be able to play on a team with a lot of big egos, take over when necessary and, most importanly, WIN. I could care less about pre-KG.


""Why are people acting like Gilbert doesn't even belong in the league?""

You'd have to ask the people that are acting like that. My personal opinion is that Gil's a good player who belongs in the league. He's not a special or great player.

Posted by: Firuz1 | May 26, 2010 1:20 PM | Report abuse

""What really is going on is a lot of people wish Gilbert had gotten locked up and the key thrown away, but since rational minds prevailed, they make it seem like he is Al Capone (thug), John Hinkley (crazy), or Dee Brown (basketball player who doesn't even belong in the NBA).""

Believe it or not, a lot people did not want him to do even one day of time for the gun incident, yet those same people are tired of his act and would not be brokenhearted if he were on another team next season. Shocker?

Posted by: Firuz1 | May 26, 2010 1:27 PM | Report abuse

"could a student of the game please tell me why they expect Gil to happily take a backseat to Wall (and quite possibly Blatche) on the offensive end?"

Good question. Here's another one:

Why would anyone expect Blatche, who is coming off a much ballyhooed career half-season and who, as recently as a couple months ago, was complaining about his role, the coach, and his paycheck to happily take a backseat to Wall (and quite possibly Arenas) on the offensive end?

At least Arenas has an established history of coexisting well with and being highly productive besides other volume scoring teammates (albeit with himself at the top of the pecking order). Blatche didn't even decide to actually show up until everyone else was gone and he was the only game in town.

Posted by: kalo_rama | May 26, 2010 1:30 PM | Report abuse

"What really is going on is a lot of people wish Gilbert had gotten locked up and the key thrown away, but since rational minds prevailed, they make it seem like he is Al Capone (thug), John Hinkley (crazy), or Dee Brown (basketball player who doesn't even belong in the NBA)."

Wrong.

I didn't want him locked up and found the season long suspension over the top, but I do think it's probably in the best long-term interests of the team (and, quite frankly, Arenas himself) if here sent somewhere else. The team could benefit from a fresh start and so could he.

Posted by: kalo_rama | May 26, 2010 1:33 PM | Report abuse

That should read:

". . . if he were sent somewhere else."

Posted by: kalo_rama | May 26, 2010 1:36 PM | Report abuse

I've recently mentioned it will be interesting to see how AB reacts to Wall on the team. His initial reaction to the idea seemed very positive at least.

And given that Wall has been widely praised for managing Kentucky as a frosh, especially the likes of Cousins and his crap attitude....there's certainly reason to believe he can do the same thing here with regards to AB. Especially considering as true PG he is going to be making the game easier for Blatche. It was pretty clear AB was ready to have another viable option on the floor by the end of last season, and if Wall is demanding double-teams or penetrating and kicking....AB is going to look better than he did last season. Hopefully he can be happy with that.

Posted by: divi3 | May 26, 2010 1:37 PM | Report abuse

Bigger issue to me is the idea of having Arenas as one of the vets in the lockerroom and his influence on all of the young guys. He's never demonstrated that he has any leadership skills and was coddled by Wizards management because of his close relationship with Mr. Pollin. I think Leonsis will realize that Arenas is just an albatross around the franchise and will either do (a) a buyout or (b) negotiate some type of trade where the Wiz are responsible for the bulk of the contract. Word is that the Wiz management never want Arenas in the same locker room as Wall.

Posted by: wizfan89 | May 26, 2010 1:39 PM | Report abuse

there are rules about those sorts of things, i dont think it is possible to pay "the bulk" of his contract while he's on another team.

a straight buyout is $80,000,000...not going to hold my breath waiting for Ted to make that his first move

Posted by: divi3 | May 26, 2010 1:42 PM | Report abuse

I know that Gilbert needs to turn the point guard duties over to Wall because Wall is a more natural point, but is not as good a ball-handler, while Gil is a better scorer and ball-handler.

But what makes it a given that Gil should take a back seat to Wall or any other Wizard? Shouldn't that be determined in camp? Do you really think Wall is ready for that? I don't. And just because he would be the #1, #1 doesn't make it a given either. (See Kwame, Olowokandi, Bargnani, James Worthy, Joe Smith, Oden, Blake Griffin, Ralph Sampson/Olajuwon) to name a few. You got some who were busts, some who were injured immediately, some who came in playing with great players already.

If you think that the Wizards want a 5 year building project, you got another thing coming. Now it may take 5 years, but that is not what Leonsis wants. Building around Wall, Blatche, McGee will take longer without Gil. PERIOD.

Posted by: G-Man11 | May 26, 2010 1:46 PM | Report abuse

"If you think that the Wizards want a 5 year building project, you got another thing coming. Now it may take 5 years, but that is not what Leonsis wants."

And have you spoken to Leonsis personally about this? Because if you haven't then you don't have a leg to stand on. The fact is that when he took over the Caps he not only did implement a long-term rebuilding plan but, in contrast to how most teams hadnle it, he openly and publicly announced it would be a long-term rebuilding project, preparing the fans for the hard reality of some bad seasons ahead.

Posted by: kalo_rama | May 26, 2010 1:52 PM | Report abuse

In Blatche's defense, he never got the ball in any place he wanted to do something with it. It's hard to assert yourself on offense when you're the fourth option. I can't say anythign about his defense except that pretty much no one else on the team did well on that end either.

As for the people complaining about Gilbert's shooting... He has a pre-injury career average of 22pts. shooting 41.5% on 16.6 shots. Ray Allen has a pre-Boston career average of 21.7pts. shooting 44.5% on 17 shots. It looks like Gilbert is more efficient scoring the ball than Ray Allen, one of the best shooters in the league.

Posted by: DonnyB | May 26, 2010 1:52 PM | Report abuse

"In Blatche's defense, he never got the ball in any place he wanted to do something with it. It's hard to assert yourself on offense when you're the fourth option."

It's hard to put up impressive looking stats when you're the 4th option on offense, but it's not hard to play with energy, focus and direction. That was Blatche's real problem. It wasn't the numbers, it was the attitude and effort.

Posted by: kalo_rama | May 26, 2010 1:55 PM | Report abuse

Bigger issue to me is the idea of having Arenas as one of the vets in the lockerroom and his influence on all of the young guys. He's never demonstrated that he has any leadership skills and was coddled by Wizards management because of his close relationship with Mr. Pollin. I think Leonsis will realize that Arenas is just an albatross around the franchise and will either do (a) a buyout or (b) negotiate some type of trade where the Wiz are responsible for the bulk of the contract. Word is that the Wiz management never want Arenas in the same locker room as Wall.
Posted by: wizfan89 |

What Gil was doing in the Verizon Center practicing during the middle of the night was being a bad influence on Nick Young, Blatche, and McGee. There lack of growing is purely attributable to Arenas. He was telling them to not practice, don't get stronger, and go to the club. I wonder why Dominique McGuire didn't get that memo as he seemed to grow as a player and mature. Matter of fact, Gil was the reason Etan and Brendan didn't get along. It was all Gil's fault.

Posted by: G-Man11 | May 26, 2010 1:57 PM | Report abuse

The fact is that when he took over the Caps he not only did implement a long-term rebuilding plan but, in contrast to how most teams hadnle it, he openly and publicly announced it would be a long-term rebuilding project, preparing the fans for the hard reality of some bad seasons ahead.

Posted by: kalo_rama | May 26, 2010 1:52 PM

The actual fact is he traded for Jaromir Jagr as fast as he could then signed him to the biggest deal in NHL history in the hopes he could buy a Stanley Cup quickly through FA and big spending.

Posted by: divi3 | May 26, 2010 2:00 PM | Report abuse

"If you think that the Wizards want a 5 year building project, you got another thing coming. Now it may take 5 years, but that is not what Leonsis wants."

And have you spoken to Leonsis personally about this? Because if you haven't then you don't have a leg to stand on. The fact is that when he took over the Caps he not only did implement a long-term rebuilding plan but, in contrast to how most teams hadnle it, he openly and publicly announced it would be a long-term rebuilding project, preparing the fans for the hard reality of some bad seasons ahead.

Posted by: kalo_rama

Do we have to critique every lil thing? I never said it wouldn't happen. I said Leonsis wouldn't want it. In other words, he may settle for it, just like you and I would have to settle it. But I personally would prefer not to.

Posted by: G-Man11 | May 26, 2010 2:02 PM | Report abuse

"Do we have to critique every lil thing?"

No, just the things people say under the guise of facts when they're really just ill-informed opinions.

Posted by: kalo_rama | May 26, 2010 2:06 PM | Report abuse

"It's hard to put up impressive looking stats when you're the 4th option on offense, but it's not hard to play with energy, focus and direction. That was Blatche's real problem. It wasn't the numbers, it was the attitude and effort."

True. However we plucked this kid straight out of high school and considering he didn't start playing to his potential until this year after Eddie Jordan and Ed Tapscott, I don't believe he had the chance to grow. Now that he's been able to prove himself and learn what it takes to be a go-to guy I'm optimistic that his attitude will be much improved as long as we show him the respect his game has earned.

Posted by: DonnyB | May 26, 2010 2:14 PM | Report abuse

"Now that he's been able to prove himself and learn what it takes to be a go-to guy I'm optimistic that his attitude will be much improved as long as we show him the respect his game has earned."

In other words, he'll play hard as long as people kiss his ass? Or, in other other words, he won't change at all.

Posted by: kalo_rama | May 26, 2010 2:26 PM | Report abuse

No, just the things people say under the guise of facts when they're really just ill-informed opinions.

Posted by: kalo_rama

so is it your opinion that Leonsis wants a 5 year rebuild or is it fact since you know everything?

Posted by: G-Man11 | May 26, 2010 2:26 PM | Report abuse

I'll take a shot at it, divi3.

I honestly believe that without the pressure of having to keep 2 divas happy, Gill will be a better player. We all know that neither AJ nor CB were looking to get rid of the ball when they got it. While I wont go so far as to call them black holes, they WERE small dwarf stars.

In the 2 guards offense that we are supposed to be implementing, we need Gil to score points. We also need AB to score. AB has shown that he's willing to pass. With Wall here, we have a great passer that's looking to pass and can penetrate at will. The perfect complement to that is another guy who can drive, is willing to dish and (most importantly) can it an open shot.

I think that not only will Gil be good in this offense next to Wall, he may be even more effective than he was before. I don't expect to see him score 29 again but he seemed content at 23 and 7 last year. If we can get 23 out of him this year, he's worth his contract.

Everyone, please take a look at Rashard Lewis' numbers the past 2 years. If Rashard is worth 120 mil, Gil is worth every penny of what he's getting...even with last years' numbers.

Posted by: original_mark | May 26, 2010 2:27 PM | Report abuse

and KALO-RAMA

why didn't you respond to the following post since you like to critique someone's opinion: The fact is that when he took over the Caps he not only did implement a long-term rebuilding plan but, in contrast to how most teams hadnle it, he openly and publicly announced it would be a long-term rebuilding project, preparing the fans for the hard reality of some bad seasons ahead.

Posted by: kalo_rama | May 26, 2010 1:52 PM

The actual fact is he traded for Jaromir Jagr as fast as he could then signed him to the biggest deal in NHL history in the hopes he could buy a Stanley Cup quickly through FA and big spending.

Posted by: divi3

Posted by: G-Man11 | May 26, 2010 2:32 PM | Report abuse

not just rashard...take a look at michael redd...who has been injured just like gil...

offensively there is no question that wall and arenas will be a dynamic duo...its defensively where the only questions are

Posted by: jasonma1 | May 26, 2010 2:35 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: original_mark | May 26, 2010 2:27 PM

well, i'll certainly be thrilled if that's how it works out. However even in the Larry era, Gil was doing the lion's share of ball handling so we're asking him to succeed in a role he's never played before and under potentially tense circumstances to say the least.


Posted by: divi3 | May 26, 2010 2:37 PM | Report abuse

In other words, he'll play hard as long as people kiss his ass? Or, in other other words, he won't change at all.

Respect, not ass-kissing. Completely different things. Respect meaning getting him the ball and respecting what he can do with it. I'm not saying he needs to be a go-to guy and I doubt he wants to be that after experiencing the last two months of the season. I'm just saying he needs to be given the ball besides when Gil, John Wall, or whoever comes in here aside from DeMarcus Cousins can't penetrate or get off a quality shot. Give him his chances with the ball and if he does something good with it the media will kiss his ass for us. I like to think he'll do something good with it.

Posted by: DonnyB | May 26, 2010 2:49 PM | Report abuse

not that it matters because I don't know and it was college, but was Gil the point when he played for the Univ. of Arizona or 2-guard? If he played the 2, you can't say he never played off the ball. When I looked up the roster though, I recognize the point, but not Gil on the team. Jason Gardner had the lion's share of ball handling. I however, don't know how it worked out for the team.

Posted by: G-Man11 | May 26, 2010 2:52 PM | Report abuse

divi3,
I could have sworn that Larry handled it at least half the time when he was here but hey...I'm getting old. In any case, that combo worked and based on the reviews, Larry aint no John Wall.
I can see Wall and Gil on the break and putting tremendous pressure on defenses. I can also see them each penetrating and kicking out to each other and AB for open shots. Both are also adept at getting to the rim (at least Wall was in college. They say he's faster and quicker than Derrick Rose, which is hard to imagine).

As far as Gil being a disruptive locker room influence, I can't imagine that he hasn't learned his lesson by now. Given all that Wall has probably heard about Gil, if he allows any negative influences to affect him, he's stupid and would be a head case anyway.
As long as we're playing an uptempo game, I see both of these guys thriving. We have finishers on the break. AB, JM, Gil can all close when they're in fast motion. If we run, we're gonna be good on offense.

Defense, that's another story. We need to fill that sf vacancy with a guy that does nothing but shoot open 3's and play defense. A Matt Barnes type would be perfect on this team.

Posted by: original_mark | May 26, 2010 2:58 PM | Report abuse

AB gets a bad break. Most guys are chuckleheads at 23. Give most of us here GUARANTEED millions at 23 and we'd have been acting a fool, too....especially if you know you're better than the guy playing in front of you and you're riding the bench.

People, he's 23 ! How many 6'11" dudes are putting up those numbers at 23?

Posted by: original_mark | May 26, 2010 3:02 PM | Report abuse

original_mark

I agree with your last 2 posts. As for your last post, I just know(tongue in cheek) that the great defensive player that he is and was, that Jamison was shutting Blatche down in practice. Matter of fact, Jamison's practice nickname was the "Blatche-stopper".

Posted by: G-Man11 | May 26, 2010 3:06 PM | Report abuse

AB has been on one of the most dysfunctional organizations in the league for his whole career- great way to develop an 18yr old. Sure he had his share of knuckleheaded behavior...but can you imagine the amount of absolute drama, ego, prima dona BS that went on between Gil/AJ/CB/BTH??

Now he's ballin, seems to have built a relationship with Flip, and appears motivated. Ted is all about positive thinking and new beginnings, watch as AB benefits from the new tenor of the organization as much as anybody else. Expect him to have a great year

Posted by: divi3 | May 26, 2010 3:07 PM | Report abuse

As far as Gil being a disruptive locker room influence, I can't imagine that he hasn't learned his lesson by now.

Posted by: original_mark | May 26, 2010 2:58 PM | Report abuse

...and likely you could not imagine pooping in a co-worker's shoe either but Gil did and carried it out. Gil thinks nothing of the fan base having full expectation of return after fat contract signing and then casually throws out that "everyone knew has was not starting that year"...everyone but the entire fan base.

Why is there expectation of maturity and professionalism now? Based on what other than a lot of folks really, really, really think he must be all better now?

Posted by: The_Shadow_Knows | May 26, 2010 3:11 PM | Report abuse

he was not...sorry.

Posted by: The_Shadow_Knows | May 26, 2010 3:13 PM | Report abuse

"...and likely you could not imagine pooping in a co-worker's shoe either but Gil did and carried it out. Gil thinks nothing of the fan base having full expectation of return after fat contract signing and then casually throws out that "everyone knew has was not starting that year"...everyone but the entire fan base.

Why is there expectation of maturity and professionalism now? Based on what other than a lot of folks really, really, really think he must be all better now?"

I don't think it's an expectation anymore as much as it is a requisite. Gil has no choice but to shut and play or else he's not going to. If all he wants is to play then he'll have to be reliable and cooperative. Otherwise he's going into exile as we are likely drafting his replacement.


Posted by: DonnyB | May 26, 2010 3:31 PM | Report abuse

I think some of us are splitting hair.Why we have to question AB's attitude towards wall,both of them are noting until they prove themselves.They are expected to work hard for their futurity.My reason to get rid of Arenas is not about the way most others are suspecting him to be a cancer,i do not think it is fair to give Arenas such names.He did stupid staffs last season, he has 3 surgeries and he is 28,he is no more good for a rebuilding team.It is not even what he wants to be.At the same juncture the fire sell of wizard is over in february, there is no need to be despirate on arenas,as i said it before he is going to work hard to rebuild his image and washington has to be the 1st team to get paid on his job or value.He will be on sell for the rest of his stay on wizard uniform and would be traded when it is appropriate.
pairing him with wall is not a big deal for the team on the rebuilding process.
I will be concerned more about the nature of the 6 pros who are expected to fill the roster.I want them to be team oriented, young ,not too expenssive and mentaly ready to contribute right away.I have no desire to see earl, oberto and simillar refills.

Posted by: gtefferra | May 26, 2010 3:31 PM | Report abuse

"Don't focus on the commercials. Open your eyes and look at his body of work on the court. Gil is nothing special offensively or defensively. If you disagree, provide some facts to support your position. Otherwise, sit down, stifle yourself and get back to filling out your fantasy league roster. Posted by: bobabuie"

Well, thanks for the chuckle. Remember, the argument has been about whether Gilbert still would be able a team that had title aspirations. We all agree he doesn't play defense. But offensively, he's clearly a lot better than you think he is.

I've provided a bunch of numbers to support that position already, but here's another. Up until very recently (last week), most observers would admit that two big acquisitions from the off-season -- Jamal Crawford in Atlanta and Vince Carter in Orlando -- had contributed substantially to their teams' success. Both are 'volume scorers' who have had the ball in their hands a good percent of the time. So how does Gil, over the course of his career, compare with these two guys?

Using the measures you cited:

Jamal Crawford: FG 40.9%; 3 Pointers 35.1%; Assists 3.0 TOs 1.7 Assist to TO ratio: 1.76

Vince Carter: FG 44.5%; 3pointers 36.7%; Assists 4.2; TOs 2.3; Ratio: 1.83

Gilbert Arenas:FG 42.6%; 3pointers 35.7%; Assists 5.6; TOs 3.3; Ratio: 1.7

Not a lot of difference, huh? Crawford and Arenas take a higher percent of their shots from the arc, which accounts for Vince Carter's advantage (Jamal shoots 38% of his shots from 3 point range, Gilbert 33.6%). More 3 pointers in your shot total generally = lower overall FG percentage.

So my conclusion would be that if Crawford and Carter can help a contender, then so could Arenas -- on the right team. Long as you don't expect him to play defense.

But to a title? That's really, really hard to do. Not many teams win titles, even really good teams.

Posted by: Samson151 | May 26, 2010 3:43 PM | Report abuse

DonnyB,
Again this is normal thinking...most folks after having gotten a single fire arms charge against them would consider it important to aviod another.

but I also agree with gtefferra's reasoning for Arenas moving on...that chapter just needs to get closed.

Posted by: The_Shadow_Knows | May 26, 2010 3:43 PM | Report abuse

I think the Wizards fans are ready to look beyond Gil, to the next chapter, and I think the Wiz brain trust is as well. We just have to get there, and that will require some smart moves in the front office and in the locker room. Let's see how it pans out.

We may have an entirely different view after the draft, when we've got some new pieces to build with. Gil is going to get a chance -- here or somewhere else -- to prove he's learned his lesson and can live up to his capabilities. But no way he fits in with this team long-term.

Posted by: zinger1 | May 26, 2010 3:48 PM | Report abuse

Main reason it doesn't make sense to trade Gil now:

His trade value has NEVER been lower. Let him play...if he plays well...it goes up. If he doesn't...no change. He still has very little value.

Nobody expects the team to win...so they can stink and if he puts up numbers...his value goes up.

It's a nothing to lose situation.

Posted by: SDMDTSU | May 26, 2010 3:59 PM | Report abuse

Well...personally I want the Wiz to have no choice but to play Wall 40 min a game. If Gil is here... by the weight of his contract, personality and tenure, not to mention to increase his market value, I believe Wall would end up at best splitting time with Gil at the point position.

For me this slows the progress of Wall's development, his sense of ownership and the overall rebuild of a new team and culture. I can understand the economics of such a decision but would not support it.

Posted by: The_Shadow_Knows | May 26, 2010 4:11 PM | Report abuse

"It's a nothing to lose situation.Posted by: SDMDTSU"

I see your reasoning, but I think this situation may be different. From what we're told, Gil still resents the Wiz and the Wiz management still have a resentment against Gil. Sure, they're professionals and should be able to set that aside, but do you really think they will?

It's strangely reminiscent of the Haynesworth situation. Except Haynesworth didn't embarrass the team in front of the whole freaking league.

Posted by: Samson151 | May 26, 2010 4:29 PM | Report abuse

So my conclusion would be that if Crawford and Carter can help a contender, then so could Arenas -- on the right team. Long as you don't expect him to play defense.

Any specific evidence that they have in fact helped?

I know your fave with Crawford is the +6 regular season wins. Putting aside that they didn't advance any farther in the playoffs than they did without him, is there any evidence that specifically points to Crawford's arrival as the sole, main, or determining factor in those extra wins? One of their other notable improvements was keeping their Points Against roughly the same (97 from 96.5), while bumping up their Points For by almost 4 points (101.7 from 98.1). Is that Crawford? Horford increased his scoring by 3 points a game, is he the main reason for the improvement? Tough to separate out all of the factors.

Meanwhile, Orlando's regular season record this year is exactly the same. They are still alive in the playoffs, but hanging on by a thread. Last year they were in the Finals. Did Carter help?

Posted by: ts35 | May 26, 2010 5:38 PM | Report abuse

It's strangely reminiscent of the Haynesworth situation. Except Haynesworth didn't embarrass the team in front of the whole freaking league.

Posted by: Samson151

Not that it rises to the level of gil's situation, but based on today's news report about the former exotic dancer suing AH for $10 mil....AH is trying his best to catch up.

Posted by: ts35 | May 26, 2010 5:40 PM | Report abuse

I like this Obama guy. He loves his country and the people, and cares in a positive way around a lot of negativity. We are fortunate he is the leader of the United States of America.

Posted by: DMcCall2 | May 28, 2010 6:08 PM | Report abuse

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