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Flip Saunders: Trade the No. 1 pick? No chance

In case you were wondering if the Wizards are going to consider offers for the No. 1 overall pick in June's NBA draft, I asked Coach Flip Saunders that very question this morning.

"No, ain't going to happen," he said. "I know that going into the draft that's something that we never really even entertained, no matter where we were at, even if we weren't the number one pick. We were pretty locked in."

All indications are the Wizards will select point guard John Wall, especially considering Saunders's affinity for the position and the glaring need for a true 1. The Wizards had used Gilbert Arenas there to open the season. Then when he was suspended, they turned to Randy Foye and later Shaun Livingston, who was making a comeback from a gruesome injury.

Arenas remains on the roster after serving his sentence for bringing firearms into Verizon Center, and if Washington selects Wall, Arenas will be able to move back to his more natural position of shooting guard.

"He's one of the few point guards that has come out of college that is [an actual] point guard," Saunders said of Wall. "A lot of times when players come out of college, they're in a motion-type offense, and they just get rid of the ball, just kind of playing. They don't run a lot of pick-and-rolls, don't make a lot of decisions, where he's been a guy who's had as much enjoyment as far as giving assists to his teammates as he has scoring. He's almost a pass-first type of point guard that will make other people better."

By Gene Wang  |  May 19, 2010; 2:28 PM ET
 
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deron williams with a 40 inch vert

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | May 19, 2010 2:35 PM | Report abuse

Well, Flip has some experience with PGs and it's hard to question Calipari's cred when it comes to grooming PGs, so I like the sound of that.

Posted by: kalo_rama | May 19, 2010 2:36 PM | Report abuse

and no affinity for hot links and ribs

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | May 19, 2010 2:36 PM | Report abuse

gets you john wall. 1st 2nd 3rd

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | May 19, 2010 2:37 PM | Report abuse

Well, Flip has some experience with PGs and it's hard to question Calipari's cred when it comes to grooming PGs, so I like the sound of that.

Posted by: kalo_rama | May 19, 2010 2:36 PM | Report abuse
say what you want about Cal,but he's 2 for the last 2 in rookie of the year pgs. He knows what he's looking for in a pg recruit, and he gets'em ready to play pro ball.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | May 19, 2010 2:38 PM | Report abuse

some you peeps must be calling into the radio....guy on 980 said winning the lotto is really a curse, and that we should trade the picks and make re-signing BTH a priority.

At least now I know what b78's voice sounds like!

Posted by: divi3 | May 19, 2010 2:42 PM | Report abuse

" Pretty sure LBJ is confident that he's the big dog on whatever team he goes to, and is not too worried about sharing some of the credit as long as he gets a ring.

Posted by: ts35 | May 19, 2010 1:11 PM"

But why though? DWade has the ring and came through in astounding fashion in the NBA Finals. Yes Shaq was there, but he wasnt doing much at all in that Mavs series.

Why does Lebron get to be the automatic big dog over Wade?

Just saying it's not nearly the same dynamic as MJ grooming Pippen from obscurity to Top50 all-time

but anyways, eff Lebron, hope he extorts the Knicks then fails miserably

Posted by: divi3 | May 19, 2010 2:45 PM | Report abuse

Since when is Flipper our GM. man I can't stand that guy. Did a horrible job of coaching last season and now he's making personnel decisions? Way to slam the door shut on possible great moves. What a jerk. Always keep your options open.

Posted by: dovelevine | May 19, 2010 2:50 PM | Report abuse

I'm not sure why people are envisioning Gil going quietly into the night at 2 guard. Has there EVER been a time when Gil didnt totally dominate the ball? Even when he is looking to pass, he's dribbling in place watching his teamates run around.

How does that style of play fit into having the #1 pick in the draft as your starting PG?

I dont see it, and think it could be disjointed...

Posted by: divi3 | May 19, 2010 2:51 PM | Report abuse

BTW why is Ted even keeping EG and FLipper around? Please clean house. Those guys ruined the team. Man bring in Avery and some new blood.

Posted by: dovelevine | May 19, 2010 2:55 PM | Report abuse

Since when is Flipper our GM. man I can't stand that guy. Did a horrible job of coaching last season and now he's making personnel decisions? Way to slam the door shut on possible great moves. What a jerk. Always keep your options open.

Posted by: dovelevine | May 19, 2010 2:50 PM

Flip can say what he wants. The Wiz are still free to do whatever they please.

Posted by: gimmedat | May 19, 2010 3:04 PM | Report abuse

The Nature of Karma was the reason the Wizards would never win a championship under the old regimen.

Some of you called me names for speaking the truth and I doubt any of you will finally admit I was right?

The Wizards were never going to win with Gil as their point guard and I can't see him playing second fiddle to Wall.

Someone else wrote they see Gil becoming the next Stephon Marbury and I couldn't agree more so Ted still has to get him out from the mess that Abe and Ernie created.

Good Luck!

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | May 19, 2010 3:10 PM | Report abuse

"Since when is Flipper our GM. man I can't stand that guy. Did a horrible job of coaching last season and now he's making personnel decisions? Way to slam the door shut on possible great moves. What a jerk. Always keep your options open."

Yeah, because I'm sure he's never spoken to Grunfeld or Leonsis about what they were planning to do in the draft. Nope. he just shot his mouth off without ever talking to the bosses. That's the ticket.

Posted by: kalo_rama | May 19, 2010 3:12 PM | Report abuse

some you peeps must be calling into the radio....guy on 980 said winning the lotto is really a curse, and that we should trade the picks and make re-signing BTH a priority.

At least now I know what b78's voice sounds like!

Posted by: divi3 | May 19, 2010 2:42 PM | Report abuse
classic

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | May 19, 2010 3:14 PM | Report abuse

i think gil can still be a good player, and i think there are teams out there that agree, but i think he needs a change of scenery, and wall needs zero distractions when he gets here so he should be sent packing

question is what is he worth?

would a team want him in a sign and trade for one of their FAs? maybe he isn't a bad consolation prize considering your guy wants to leave anyway?

is he worth any draft picks? memphis wants to trade their picks for players as they feel they are close to making playoff runs, with gasol, randolph, gay (if he resigns) mayo, the weakness seems to be PG, does gil intrigue them? is he worth some of the 3 1st rnd picks they have? is he even worth 1? i would take a deal here in a heartbeat if possible

then its what bad contracts would we have to take in return (heard someone mention brand in philly)

overall it will be an interesting offseason

as for the coaching and GM situation, with Leonis not taking over until mid June, he can't make official decisions now, and at that point, coaching prospects could be few, so close to the draft, throwing away current FO and getting a new FO to come in, make decisions and scout in such little time would be stupid, i think we probably have these guys for another season at least

Posted by: hb_321 | May 19, 2010 3:22 PM | Report abuse

why does drafting Wall automatically make Gil the second fiddle? I don't know that Gil would bristle at Wall being there at all. Gil has thrived when playing next to guys who were playing at his level. They ran the princeton O with EJ but they were much more uptempo. I'd expect Gil to enjoy not having to carry the team and just focus on his game. that mentality was what usually led to his high TO games. He's hardly the perfect player and definitely needs the ball in his hands to be effective, but with a PG like Wall, a true playmaker and real pg, i think he'll get the ball without having to do as much work.

Socially Gil may be an idiot, but he's a gymrat with an above average bball IQ.He understands the game. He's got to know that he'll get more/better shots off the ball than he was getting at the begining of this year when he was dominating the ball.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | May 19, 2010 3:23 PM | Report abuse

Flipper should stick to what he does best--ruining lineups and substitutions.

Posted by: dovelevine | May 19, 2010 3:24 PM | Report abuse

Flip and Ernie did not ruin the team. Abe was obviously gung-ho on the BIG 3 project...We don't know what Ernie thought about this failed experiment many years ago...did he know Caron would whine, Gil would go nuts, Jamison would not come down to AB's level and help more than hurt his ego. You better believe, we will miss the eighth seed by 3 games next year and then the playoffs will be commonplace after that.

GO WIZARDS!!!!!!!

Posted by: BurgwithaU | May 19, 2010 3:24 PM | Report abuse

it's not what Gil is worth, it's how much he costs....and that's $80,000,000 for a guy with a bum knee and a jaywalk away from years in the can.

Love him, hate him, or indifferent....he's OURS no matter how you slice it

Posted by: divi3 | May 19, 2010 3:26 PM | Report abuse

The Wiz could package the No. 1 pick and Arenas together to pick up probably any superstar in the league.

Posted by: dovelevine | May 19, 2010 3:27 PM | Report abuse

"The Wiz could package the No. 1 pick and Arenas together to pick up probably any superstar in the league. "

No, they couldn't. First of all, there are very few actual superstars in the NBA. And teams that have one don't give them up, as long as they're still highly productive.

Posted by: kalo_rama | May 19, 2010 3:32 PM | Report abuse

it's not what Gil is worth, it's how much he costs....and that's $80,000,000 for a guy with a bum knee and a jaywalk away from years in the can.

Love him, hate him, or indifferent....he's OURS no matter how you slice it

Posted by: divi3 | May 19, 2010 3:26 PM | Report abuse
jaywalk???his probation prolly isn't even supervised. he just can't get a misdemeanor.but gil isn't the worst thing in the world for this team, i really think some of us are being greedy now. leave well enough alone.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | May 19, 2010 3:33 PM | Report abuse

>>The Wiz could package the No. 1 pick and Arenas together to pick up probably any superstar in the league. "

>>No, they couldn't. First of all, there are very few actual superstars in the NBA. And teams that have one don't give them up, as long as they're still highly productive. Posted by: kalo_rama

You don't think that Miami would trade Wade to get Wall rather than just lose him for nothing in free agency? Same for Bosh or Carmelo. Gimmie a break.

Posted by: dovelevine | May 19, 2010 3:36 PM | Report abuse

some you peeps must be calling into the radio....guy on 980 said winning the lotto is really a curse, and that we should trade the picks and make re-signing BTH a priority.

At least now I know what b78's voice sounds like!

Posted by: divi3 | May 19, 2010 2:42 PM | Report abuse

divi3,

Try reading my posts...

1st I am in San Diego not DC

2nd I said they would never win a championship with Abe as the owner

3rd The Wizards would never win with Gil the ball hog as their point guard

Don't worry I understand it's hard for you to admit I have been right since the first day I came on here...

If you want to know how the Wizards could become a championship team just ask me.

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | May 19, 2010 3:36 PM | Report abuse

A guy with a bum knee who was averaging 22 ppg and a career high 7 apg when he played (and the assists probably would have been higher if Haywood didn't routinely fumble on the money passes and if Butler would shoot the ball when he caught it and was open rather than dribbling/pump faking himself into a worse shot than the one he had).

Are Wall and Arenas likely a winning combo long-term? Maybe not. (But who knows?) Might it be to the long-term benefit of the team--financially, on the court, and emotionally--to eventually rade Arenas? Possibly. Is Arenas a ticking time bomb that must be tossed over the side of the ship before he takes the whole thing down with him? I don't see that.

Posted by: kalo_rama | May 19, 2010 3:39 PM | Report abuse

I've always been in the tank for Gil and will even give him props for bringing guns to the arena....resulting in the shipping off of deadweight and a draft position that got us the #1 overall. Nice work Gil!

But it's just tough for me to envision how Gil plays alongside a natural PG without negating the guy due to dominating the ball too much. We're asking that Arenas be a guy we havent seen him be.

However, by the time Wall is 21, Arenas can and will be traded if that's the move management wants to make....so it's all good for now

Posted by: divi3 | May 19, 2010 3:44 PM | Report abuse

"You don't think that Miami would trade Wade to get Wall rather than just lose him for nothing in free agency? Same for Bosh or Carmelo. Gimmie a break."

In the immortal words of David Lee Roth . . . One break, coming up!! (Sadly for you, the only thing to be broken is your spirit as I shred your crapstorm of an "argument".)

To wit:

(A) Carmelo Anthony isn't a FA so the Nuggets are in no danger of losing him this summer. (B) Given that they are unrestricted FAs, the only way Miami or Toronto could trade Wade or Bosh would be in a sign and trade, which would require the players to agree/want to come to the Wiz. And there's not a god damn reason in the mutha-f#$king world that either one off those guys would agree to be traded to a Wizards team without Arenas OR Wall on it, a team that, for all intents and purposes, would be the same one that won 19 measly games last season.

Posted by: kalo_rama | May 19, 2010 3:45 PM | Report abuse

If you want to know how the Wizards could become a championship team just ask me.

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | May 19, 2010 3:36 PM

You said to draft Evan Turner over Wall, we'll see how the two players turn out.

Posted by: divi3 | May 19, 2010 3:46 PM | Report abuse

bulletsfan78: You have to be the most negative person alive. I guess that's the curse of genius, huh?

dovelevine: Enough. We get it. Shut up.

Posted by: IrenePollin | May 19, 2010 3:46 PM | Report abuse

nice work last night Irene!!

Posted by: divi3 | May 19, 2010 3:49 PM | Report abuse

divi3

It takes more than one person to win a championship and if you don't believe me ask LeBron.

As long as this team is stuck with Gil, Wall is going to have a hard time unless Flip shows us something he didn't last year and is willing to put Gil in his place.

Do you think Gil will pass the ball back if Wall passes it to him?

People on here are writing Wall is a great player and Gil's ego isn't going to be able to handle that.

Socially Gil may be an idiot, but he's a gymrat with an above average bball IQ.He understands the game. He's got to know that he'll get more/better shots off the ball than he was getting at the begining of this year when he was dominating the ball.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | May 19, 2010 3:23 PM | Report abuse

He hasn't learned how to play the game yet so why do you think he's going to change?

Some of you may think I am negative but you have to admit I am right and that's the part that kills you isn't it?

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | May 19, 2010 3:57 PM | Report abuse

But why though? DWade has the ring and came through in astounding fashion in the NBA Finals. Yes Shaq was there, but he wasnt doing much at all in that Mavs series.

Why does Lebron get to be the automatic big dog over Wade?

Just saying it's not nearly the same dynamic as MJ grooming Pippen from obscurity to Top50 all-time

Posted by: divi3

A) "Shaq was there"?? Oy.

B) Why? Because LBJ is already a bigger dog than Wade even without a ring. If LBJ went to Miami with Wade and won a championship, what's the headline the next day? "Wade Wins #2" or "The King Gets His Ring"? Which do you honestly think is more likely?

C) Boston, with KG, Pierce, Allen and Rondo demolish Cleveland to finish off an exciting series and the headlines and all of the media the next day started with "LeBron Loses!" not "Celtics Win!" For at least two or three days it was "What went wrong with LeBron" not "What went right with Boston" who, btw are currently doing exactly the same thing to Orlando.

Anywhere LeBron goes with the *possible* exception of the Lakers, where he's not going anyway, LeBron is the big dog. Whoever else is there becomes Robin to his Batman.

Posted by: ts35 | May 19, 2010 3:57 PM | Report abuse

And that's not even addressing the issue of whether Bosh and Anthony are actually "superstars."

Posted by: kalo_rama | May 19, 2010 3:58 PM | Report abuse

The more I read.....the more I think Wall is as close to a sure thing as you'll get outside of the Shaq/Duncan types. Sounds like he is hyper-competitive, a gym rat, and very coachable. There are zero questions about if he can adjust to the speed and athleticism of the nba, or the size given that he is a 6'4" pg.

Basically it's his J that seems to be the issue which isnt that terrible given what Rondo is doing and Kidd has done.

Posted by: divi3 | May 19, 2010 4:07 PM | Report abuse

Zero can be moved...it's just a question of the deal. He could end up in Cleveland with Twan again. Or out with the Clips back in his native LA.

A deal will get done...Teddy will clean

Just watch

Posted by: kahlua87 | May 19, 2010 4:14 PM | Report abuse

"2nd I said they would never win a championship with Abe as the owner

Posted by: bulletsfan78"

Then you've never been more wrong in your entire life. I can't fathom how you possibly see yourself as correct. It's like you're patting yourself on the back for saying 2 + 2 = 5.

btw, I've been reading this blog for a few years now, and not once have I seen you provide any sort of credible basketball insight. Even DCMan88 drops knowledge once in a while with some sort of analysis.

Let's see how many more times you can either offer zero insight or just be entirely wrong with your comments.

Now please, tell us how the Wizards can build a championship team.

Posted by: psps23 | May 19, 2010 4:24 PM | Report abuse

He hasn't learned how to play the game yet so why do you think he's going to change?

Some of you may think I am negative but you have to admit I am right and that's the part that kills you isn't it?

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | May 19, 2010 3:57 PM | Report abuse

by what standard has he not learned the game? the guy averaged 22 pts 7 assts and 4 rebs on one leg this year. He's better than anyone we had play point guard this year....when he's hurt! you can say he's not a good fit but don't shoot yourself in the foot and say he doesn't know how to play the game.He's been to multiple allstar games, was invited to play for team usa as well as having dropped major buckets on any superstar you can name in head to head matchups. the failure in this team over the years has not been Gil and his inability to learn the game at all. And you are by no means right about that.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | May 19, 2010 4:28 PM | Report abuse

Anywhere LeBron goes with the *possible* exception of the Lakers, where he's not going anyway, LeBron is the big dog. Whoever else is there becomes Robin to his Batman.

Posted by: ts35 | May 19, 2010 3:57 PM

Seriously??? I blame fantasy sports for people making comments like this.

The points that you brought-up only serve to point-out the fact that James is a "lightning rod" not the biggest of the big dogs.

All you would have to do is listen to the points that the experts are making when suggesting that James go to Miami. So far, EVERY SINGLE ONE that I've heard has said that it would take the pressure off of him, since Wade would be the leader.

And while the headline would probably read "The King Gets His Ring," the actual article would certainly say that teaming with D-Wade is what he needed to take that next step and James would likely have to deal with the same doubts that Kobe had to overcome when Shaq left.

Posted by: SportzWiz | May 19, 2010 4:56 PM | Report abuse

lol...bullets78 basketball insight consists of suggesting the team waste our cap space to sign Salmons and Marcus Camby. Yippeee!

Posted by: rphilli721 | May 19, 2010 4:57 PM | Report abuse

OK, let's toss this scenario out there:

Philly wants Wall bad. If you can trade picks with Philly and get Jrue holliday and a future 1st rounder, do you do it?

Basically, do you trade Wall for Turner, Holliday and a chance at a future pick?

I was not expecting us to get the 1st or 2nd pick so I spending time considerring Cousins v Favors.

I go back and forth on Wall vs Turner, but am leaning toward Wall now. But when a turned ankle can derail your star for years, aren't you better off spreading it out a little liek in the trade above?

Just asking?

Posted by: jacksonward1 | May 19, 2010 4:59 PM | Report abuse

Anywhere LeBron goes with the *possible* exception of the Lakers, where he's not going anyway, LeBron is the big dog. Whoever else is there becomes Robin to his Batman.

Posted by: ts35 | May 19, 2010 3:57 PM

Seriously??? I blame fantasy sports for people making comments like this.

The points that you brought-up only serve to point-out the fact that James is a "lightning rod" not the biggest of the big dogs.

All you would have to do is listen to the points that the experts are making when suggesting that James go to Miami. So far, EVERY SINGLE ONE that I've heard has said that it would take the pressure off of him, since Wade would be the leader.

And while the headline would probably read "The King Gets His Ring," the actual article would certainly say that teaming with D-Wade is what he needed to take that next step and James would likely have to deal with the same doubts that Kobe had to overcome when Shaq left.

Posted by: SportzWiz

If you had bothered to read the entire discussion divi and I have been having, you would probably realize that you are agreeing more with me than arguing against me.

Divi's original point was that LeBron wouldn't want to pair with Wade because having to pair with someone like Wade would diminish LeBron's 'legacy'. Which I am saying is poppycock for a variety of reasons. Not the least of which is that LeBron dominates the media, rightly or wrongly, so no matter what happens, the story would be about LeBron first and foremost. And that's all LeBron cares about.

When I say that LBJ is the biggest of big dogs, it has more to do with his perception as either The Best Player Currently Playing and media 'darling', or at worst a close second to Kobe.

And if you have links to some of those articles where they say Wade would be the leader I'd be curious to read them.

Posted by: ts35 | May 19, 2010 6:01 PM | Report abuse

About LeBron being the 'big dog' anywhere he goes -- that's true. Except maybe for Chicago, where he's a big second to the spectre of Michael Jordan.

If you had a colossal ego like the King, would you want to sign with a club where you'd spend the next ten years compared to a guy with six rings?

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Posted by: itkonlyyou70 | May 19, 2010 9:54 PM | Report abuse

How about this, the wizards best playoff years where when Larry Hughes and Gilbert played along side each other(both were guards), and, If I'm correct, if Larry had not gotten hurt during the 2005 season, he would have been an all-star along with Arenas and Jamison. I believe that Wall and Gilbert can play together. If Gilbert realizes that this is not about him anymore and understands the big picture, I believe him and Wall can form a pretty explosive backcourt.

Posted by: FanNdaHouse | May 20, 2010 4:25 PM | Report abuse

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